EPT2011 in Review - TL Awards - Page 22
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Fox116
United States409 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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flagg
Sweden123 Posts
On January 02 2012 06:45 tree.hugger wrote: Antiga got on the list because it's the most balanced map statistically in the pool. For the players we spoke to, balance was a split between Daybreak and Antiga. Terminus is not a balanced map, and there are so many versions of it, with important changes it's impossible to pick one. Calm Before the Storm is too new to really qualify. Crevasse is an awful map, you must be joking. Katrina hasn't been played in a single major tournament and it's a remake of a BW map. Cloud Kingdom might be the map of 2012, who knows! We viewed FXO as a Korean team because of it's participation in the GSTL and KSL, and it's merger with fOu. Teams that weren't GSTL regulars, nor made exclusively of Koreans (Team aLive, for example) were considered for the international award. We took teamleagues into account for the international award, but came to the conclusion that the foreign scene really lacks a teamleague that is up to the GSTL standard. I can't speak for anyone else on this, but personally, I think eight teams is far too few for a teamleague, and that scheduling conflicts played too large a role in each teamleague to make the results too meaningful. Of course, however, I was cheering hard for Mousesports in the IPL TAC, and there's no denying that Liquid's defeat in that tournament was bad or that EG's absence in that event doesn't do them favors. But hopefully in 2012, we're going to have more team competition to factor into the equation. Moreover, the award was called 'Team of the Year' and not 'Best Team at the End of the Year' or 'Best Team in Team Events'. Otherwise, FXO or SlayerS would've won the Korean award. No, I feel Team of the Year recognizes that teams do a lot more than just playing teamleagues. Teams play a big role in individual leagues as well, and in all kinds of extra curricular stuff. I think 'Team of the Year' is a much more broad designation than most people seem to feel it is. And I didn't want to give Honorable Mentions at all, but obviously I didn't win that argument... The point was really to single out players who people wouldn't look at normally. I think everyone is going to be watching forGG, but it wouldn't have been so good of an article if I said; "Players to Watch For: forGG, MVP, MMA, GuMiHo, Bomber" Thanks for the answer! I agree with most of what you wrote and I don’t want to bother you more. Although it would have been fun if you replied with: There are only two foreigner teams, the other “teams” are only players with the same agent  | ||
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SC_Smoker
Austria16 Posts
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LavendrGooms
United States134 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Holloworb
Norway345 Posts
Reading the thread is also quite entertaining, so many people who are reposting stuff without taking arguments made earlier into account. Best team of 2011 could've been better defined in the OP, but it's amusing how some find the conclusion so controversial, especially after the criterias have been clarified. SC2/Esports in 2012 Figthing!! May it keep on growing  | ||
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NG_
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Kitty4Cat
Canada56 Posts
Non-player personality of the year : <3 Day9 <3 I totally agree with this statement!  | ||
Waxangel
United States33705 Posts
In the end, it was just too close to call. In this category, we award the sole tie. That, and we don't want to pick TL and get yelled at by our readers for bias, or pick EG and get yelled at by our readers for meta-bias. ah fuck, got yelled at for both | ||
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NeonSky
United States46 Posts
However, I do have to disagree with the selection for "biggest news story". Naniwa incident was the most over-exposed and overreacted to story by far, but the actions which actually occurred are definitely dwarfed by stuff like the criminal actions of the organizers of PPSL. Also, I think one of the real big stories that wasn't even included on here was when players publicly released information of their overdue pay and their discussion of which organizations fail in player treatment. Surprisingly, the issue really hadn't been brought to the public eye until then and it really highlights one of the most important things that needs that needs to be improved in 2012, which is more oversight and enforcement of proper player treatment and payment by tournament organizations and holding sponsors to their agreements promptly. | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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ChaosTerran
Austria844 Posts
What exactly is this team award based on? because it definitely isn't success or player's skill? It seems like it's a popularity contest, in which case TL should obviously be the winner, but you don't hand out team awards based on popularity. Hell, even Empire posted better results than Liquid last year. I think this is a general problem on TL.net, it's this blind bias for everything that is TL or related to TL, there were teams who did much better than TL last year but they get no credit whatsoever, no they don't even get nominated. Really, really disappointed. User was warned for not reading the thread, where he would've discovered his question answered on the previous page. | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On January 02 2012 08:11 doko100 wrote: I'm sorry but TL is nowhere near as good as team as EG is, I would even argue that there are other teams that are better than TL aswell, like dignitas and mouz, they have better, more succesful players and better tournament results in general. What exactly is this team award based on? because it definitely isn't success or player's skill? It seems like it's a popularity contest, in which case TL should obviously be the winner, but you don't hand out team awards based on popularity. Hell, even Empire posted better results than Liquid last year. I think this is a general problem on TL.net, it's this blind bias for everything that is TL or related to TL, there were teams who did much better than TL last year but they get no credit whatsoever, no they don't even get nominated. Really, really disappointed. Well, TL said that they didn't count the Team leagues because they think it's uncomparable with GSTL. But now you can also say, hey, maybe they didn't want to count that, because they were pretty bad at those and mouz would have won. Which one is it now? I have nothing against Teams who say they are the best, but then they can't call them not biased. But whatever, they would have been always discussions and with whatever you choose, some people will always be unhappy | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Stop crying over Mouz not being nominated or " bias " and go make your own list in the blogs section, or better yet start your own sc2 community site and leave this one alone. When the TL awards are done on a grand stage with real trophies you can start complaining. | ||
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GleaM
United States207 Posts
On January 01 2012 14:16 BLinD-RawR wrote: ahhh will we have BW edition? Winner for the best lol quote! | ||
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Sliver
United States402 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 02 2012 08:11 doko100 wrote: I'm sorry but TL is nowhere near as good as team as EG is, I would even argue that there are other teams that are better than TL aswell, like dignitas and mouz, they have better, more succesful players and better tournament results in general. You could argue that, but that would only demonstrate your inability to actually count. Again, for 10 months out of 12 months total in 2011, there wasn't a single team that came even CLOSE to matching TL's overall results. Then EG stepped it up in October, which is why the tie is somewhat justified. It's only barely justified if we're actually looking at the whole of 2011, but whatever let's call it justified. However to claim that Dignitas and mouz have better tournament results in general is just... I don't even know. Don't call others biased and then proceed to completely disregard reality. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 02 2012 08:17 Hardigan wrote: Well, TL said that they didn't count the Team leagues because they think it's uncomparable with GSTL. But now you can also say, hey, maybe they didn't want to count that, because they were pretty bad at those and mouz would have won. Which one is it now? I have nothing against Teams who say they are the best, but then they can't call them not biased. But whatever, they would have been always discussions and with whatever you choose, some people will always be unhappy Are you serious? A page earlier I said that we looked at the team leagues, but didn't think that they were important enough to override the fact that Liquid and EG dominated the individual medals table for 12 months. Do you understand that TL.net and TLAF-Liquid` are different entities? We didn't poll HayprO and TLO and from that decided that TL was the best. We had a bunch of people together, and we hashed it out, and figured there wasn't enough daylight between the teams that we could call a winner. Please read the thread before saying dumb things. | ||
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AIOL!
France962 Posts
On January 02 2012 02:07 Thurken wrote: I kind of agree with you on the "mvp deserving the most revolutionary award". But I also think that Stephano deserved the Breakout performance of the year, while i think Huk deserves his foreign player of the year title. In early 2011, both Thorzain and Stephano were unknown to most on sc2 (good master players but no lan or online cup won) and a bit known on wc3 but without any big results. And at the end of 2011 Stephano's performance outshines Thorzain's one. Maybe they meant "breakout performance...in a tournament during the year" and not "breakout performance...of the year" but that would be a strange choice. Stephano was not a "good master player" in early 2011. In fact he used to be top 10 EU ladder since october 2010 (with the aka Sat) and he reached top 1 in early december with a very good ratio (like 75%). At this moment he started to do some online cups in order to not just be a "ladder hero". Then we know what happened: 4 sundayGo4sc2 in a row (at this moment the level of these weekly cups was really really high), some french lans won etc.. And Thorzain was known as a practice beast to. | ||
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