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2011 in Review - TL Awards

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Graphics byHawaiianPig
January 1st, 2012 05:06 GMT

2011 Starcraft II Awards

From the TeamLiquid Editorial Panel



ESPORTS Awards. They're the kind of thing the cliché loving editorial staff at TeamLiquid has enjoyed producing for a very long time.

However, this year, it feels a bit different. It was one thing to sit in the peanut gallery and snark about players who didn't know you existed, let alone read your website. Now, we're coming to terms with the fact that people actually read our website, and some of them might even think we're some sort of authority.

As you can tell, we're not pretending these are these awards are the Oscars of ESPORTS, or that anyone will be listing "Winner of 2011 TeamLiquid Most Valuable Player award" on their resume any time soon. It's mostly for fun. At the same time, we did put a lot of thought into these awards, and tried to make them a little meaningful, and as fair as possible. Think of it as a sign of appreciation to the guys who brought us a great year of Starcraft II, from the guys at TeamLiquid who spent way too much time watching it.

Breakout Performance - Map of the Year
Most Creative Player - Best Strategy - Biggest News Story
Ceremony of the Year - Most Entertaining Player - Most Revolutionary
Rivalry of the Year - Worst Drama - Team of the Year (Korea)
Team of the Year (International) - Non-Player Personality of the Year
Tournament of the Year (Korea) - Tournament of the Year (Europe)
Tournament of the Year (USA) - Game of the Year - Player of the Year (Korea) - Player of the Year (International)

Breakout Performance


kr FXOLeenock
fr Mill.Stephano
se mouz.ThorZaIN

mouz.ThorZaIN



Photo by: Zeroes


There was no shortage of surprising runs in 2011, but I don't think anyone came completely out of the blue like ThorZaIN. If you had polled the community before the start of TSL3's qualifiers, you could've probably counted the number of people who thought ThorZaIN would qualify on one hand. If you polled the community before the start of the TSL about who would win, you could have added those people who picked ThorZaIN and still been on the same hand.

Again and again; against FruitDealer, against Tyler, against MC, against Kas, ThorZaIN was the underdog. In each series, he not only emerged victorious, but did so with a wide range of builds and styles. He was one of the first players to really grasp the strength of the 1/1/1, and he almost single-handedly caused Thors to be nerfed. It's pretty incredible actually, if you re-watch ThorZaIN's TSL games, you see him using strategies so solid that they're still in use. Simply put, in 2011, there was simply no first impression as stunning as ThorZaIN's. In SC2, there might never be.

- tree.hugger




Map of the Year


• Antiga Shipyard
• Daybreak
• Dual Sight

daybreak




Sometimes it might not seem like it, but SC2 mapmaking has come a long way in a year. Remember that GSL January featured cartographic highlights such as Delta Quadrant and Jungle Basin, and that Lost Temple had a cliff over the natural where Terran could auto-win? Those days are firmly behind us, thanks to maps like Daybreak. One of the most balanced maps statistically, Daybreak has a classic map design, reminiscent of Match Point from BW. With multiple passages, a semi-open middle, and expansion positioning that doesn't screw people over (see Zerg trying to get a fifth and sixth on Shakuras) Daybreak is fun for the whole family, and should provide valuable lessons for map-makers in the future.

What makes Daybreak the best map of the year, over equally balanced rivals such as Antiga Shipyard, is Daybreak's unique propensity to make for exciting games. One of our three games of the year was played on Daybreak, and the map has played host to countless other exciting matches since. Yet as good a map as it is, if trends continue, hopefully it'll simply be regarded as an average map next year. I hope that occurs.

- tree.hugger

Most Creative Player


kr NS_HoSeoJjakji
ca RGN.KiWiKaKi
kr IMMvp

RGN.KiWiKaKi



Photo by: silverfire


Creativity comes in different shapes and sizes. It is one of those things that is highly appreciated by many, but none of us can really define what is and how it's done. All we do know is that it takes an immeasurable amount of something to keep developing your game, utilizing new strategies and entertaining the fans over the entirety of your career.

When I think back on the last year, and when the phrases "Oh my god," "I can't believe that just happened," or "This is absolutely unbelievable, how did he pull this off?" were said, the name 'KiWiKaKi' shines through with brighter Christmas lights than any New York City Christmas market. Do you remember back in January where he wiped out 3 bases of Evil Geniuses' Machine on Xel'Naga Caverns utilizing blink and recall without losing as much as a single Stalker? Do you remember the two base blink Stalker w/ double forge-play popularized in PvZ by this Canadian Protoss user? Do you remember the Mothership floating over The Shattered Temple in Atlantic City at the IPL3 against Stephano? I think we all do. Thank you, Jonathan Garneau, for your contribution in making 2011 a great year.

- Bumblebee




Best (and worst) Strategy


• The 1/1/1
• Two Barracks Opening in TvZ
• Blue Flame Hellions vs everything
• Four Gate versus everything
• Mech meta in Tvt

The 1/1/1




I like to think there's a special place in hell for the 1/1/1.

For a good portion of the year, PvT devolved into ugly, unplayable coin-flip due to a one easily executed all-in. To start off, the build was pretty hard to stop even if you knew it was coming, with even a single micro mistake could mean instant death. Even so, if you were well prepared, you could come out pretty ahead. However, being well prepared for the 1/1/1 usually meant being horribly prepared for everything else. And so, Protoss ended up pretty much s***ing their pants the second they saw that first refinery.

Some pros went to some silly extremes to try and beat the 1/1/1. Saw a refinery? PHOENIX RUSH! Saw a refinery? Two base chargelot-rush without Robotics and HOPE HE DID THE NO-CLOAK VARIATION. Others played middle ground builds that lost to both 1/1/1's and non 1/1/1's. Basically, it was hell on earth.

Of course, as happens with any strategy that's used for too long, people adapted to the 1/1/1. They developed better rounded builds that could deal with the 1/1/1 and other builds at the same time, without giving up too much of an advantage. They figured out how to micro properly against the 1/1/1, without having their Immortals dancing around uselessly in the back while Stalkers got melted (well, Blizzard helped there). The 1/1/1'ers fought back by creating even trickier variations, but the pace of anti-1/1/1 developments was faster than that of 1/1/1 improvements. At present time, the 1/1/1 is a viable all-in that Terrans can use to keep their opponents guessing, but no longer a cornerstone of their game. Thank God.

- Waxangel




Biggest News Story


• Complexity / Millenium / Stephano dispute
• EG's Acquisition of HuK
• EG's Acquisition of Puma
• Naniwa's Probe Rush and Aftermath
• Korea Boycott of NASL Season II
• PPSL Scandal

Naniwa's Probe Rush



Art by: alteredclone


All six stories commanded the absolute attention of the ESPORTS loving public, and generated countless forum posts and tweets worth of discussion. However, only the giant mess involving Naniwa, Nestea, MLG, and GSL managed to stop the presses for nearly a full week, extending its life as a story by throwing in a new angle every day. Starting with the probe rush alone, it was just about sportsmanship. Naniwa's Code S seed was 'revoked' the next day, throwing Korean pro-gaming culture and the appropriateness of GomTV's punishment into the argument. The day after that, the fine wording of the GSL/MLG League exchange program was brought into question, putting another twist in the tale.

The other reason we thought this story was the 'biggest' was because it forced the community to confront and talk about many aspects of ESPORTS that had been put aside for too long. The meaning of professionalism and sportsmanship in pro-gaming, the need for clear tournament regulations, the damage caused by tournament systems allowing 'pointless' games, the appalling lack of transparency and communication from the two most important organizations in Starcraft II ESPORTS: these were things that might have otherwise gone unnoticed and unresolved. Hopefully, they will be addressed in 2012.

- Waxangel




Ceremony of the Year


• TOP Nunchuck Styling
• MMA's Kamehameha
• Dimaga Wins Assembly
• Keen's Gun Show
• MC means MurloC
• Taeja all kills ZeNex and his teammates
• MarineKongPrime Dance

MC means MurloC


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVoqrOstxVs


Ceremonies are amazing. They show imagination, emotion and personality. This year we saw many great ceremonies from Taeja all killing ZeNex and then proceeding to shoot his team with a plastic gun to Dimaga's unfiltered joy after winning Assembly Summer and screaming to the heavens while raising his hands in the air. Though, when it comes down to it, the award can go to only one man. When we saw that he was robbed at the GSL Awards Show for best ceremony, we decided that he wouldn't get robbed twice in the category.

MC, not only with the Murloc costume, but with many other ceremonies over the year, has entertained and made him one of the biggest stars in e-sports. So let's all thank Min Chul for keeping Starcraft fun and proving that it is okay to dance after winning a video game. Keep on dancing in 2012, MC. Keep on dancing.

- Fionn




Most Entertaining Player


EG.IdrA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUGNVpzB2t0


It's almost entirely unintentional, but IdrA is the most entertaining man in ESPORTS. As we looked back at the most memorable, shocking, and just plain laugh out loud moments from 2011, we realized that over half of them involved Greg Fields. GGing early against HuK's hallucinated Void Rays, calling numerous Code S players terrible without flinching, being the target of several hilarious ceremonies, being given a new name by the Emperor, GGing early against a Command Center killing MMA, flipping off MC from the audience, inadvertently stealing girlfriends from Canadians, GGing early against solitary cloaked Banshees... You get the picture. Just by being himself, without any extra effort, IdrA was the player that entertained us the most.

We considered MC as a candidate for a second, as he's a funny guy who understands the value of theatrics. But would he have been even half as entertaining without his muse, the Gracken? On the other hand, IdrA wouldn't have missed a beat without the president. As long as there's cheese, freedom of speech, Shakuras Plateau and the F10 & 'N' keys, we suspect IdrA will be winning this award for years.

- Waxangel




Most Revolutionary


de HomeStoryCup
kr IMMvp
kr Liquid`HerO
fr Mill.Stephano
us Twitch.TV

Mill.Stephano



Art by: Meko


It's hard to overstate the impact that Stephano had on SC2 in 2011. Coming from nowhere to become the best foreign Zerg, the Frenchman completely changed the way that Zergs and foreigners thought about the game in the process. First gamed out on the European server, the dynamic ling/upgrades/infestor style of play quickly became Stephano's hallmark, as he simply played it significantly better than anyone else. His superb map vision and sense of timing proved that Zergs did not need to live in constant fear of their opponents until hive tech, but could instead aggressively challenge Terran and Protoss in all stages of the game with proper execution.

Perhaps of even greater impact, however, was Stephano's contribution to the foreigner/korean dynamic. By not just defeating, but by thrashing an A-list Korean line-up at IPL3, Stephano showed that the emperor had no clothes; that Koreans could be beaten, and beaten badly. What followed IPL3 has been the most successful period for foreign Sc2 players since Dreamhack Winter 2010. And it's in no small part thanks to Stephano's two revolutions.

- tree.hugger




Rivalry of the Year


us Evil Geniuses / nl Team Liquid
us IdrA / kr MC
at Own3d / us Twitch.TV

Team Liquid and Evil Geniuses



Photo: iS.zemotion


In a world where teams often take a backseat to individual player:fan relations, and one where team leagues get little attention, it can be difficult to draw direct parallels between organizations. Nevertheless, through 2011 two teams managed to elevate their game to the head of the pack, finding themselves next to each other in the limelight at all moments.

Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid, both powerhouses with fans and media, found themselves at the forefront of the foreign scene this year. As the only two foreign-based team with players in Code-S, comparisons were plentiful from the year's start. Later, each would go on to become the first teams to sign Korean gamers under their banner, making it that much harder to resist contrasting their strengths. Theses analogies became inescapable after one high-profile team change in particular, ensuring the two team's fate would forever be entwined.

With the year concluding with PuMa and HerO trading wins in the finals in back-to-back weekends at DreamHack Winter and NASL, it cemented their place as the rivalry of the year. With these two teams pushing one another at every turn, we can only hope 2012 continues to push the limits.

- Heyoka




Worst Drama



• Some translator trashes every ESPORT outside of Korean Brood War, 'quits' ESPORTS after getting called out by some guy who casts games and some other guy who cut his hair.

• Some guy makes a post about a girl supposedly manipulating him steal a headset and some other girls who knew this girl show up to defend her.

• Some guy who streams a lot gets DDOS'd by some kid, and he ends up fighting his dad or something; now they're going to be on some TV show or whatever.

• Some woman can't deal with people on the internet saying some mean things about some gold-league girl she hired for her pro-gaming team, so she threatens to take legal action or something.*

Nobody




We're all losers for following this s***.

*Please don't sue us for this, Jessica.




Team of the Year (Korea)


kr Incredible Miracle
kr SlayerS

Incredible Miracle




This was a tough one. It came down to two teams: Incredible Miracle and Slayers. In terms of team champions, Slayers won that debate with two championships in GSTL to only one of Incredible Miracle. When it came to overall individual championships on the team, IM dwarfed their counterparts with five GSL championships to only two for Slayers. The award was finally given to Incredible Miracle after you look at how dominant their best three players were this year compared to Slayers top players. Nestea and MVP were by far the two most decorated players in 2011, taking home five combined GSL titles and MVP picking up several other trophies along the way. Their third best player, Losira, also proved to be one of the top three Zergs all year long, getting to a final of a GSL and only losing when he had to face his teammate Nestea.

Slayers on the other hand, in terms of singles titles, relied solely MMA. MMA took home two GSL crowns (October and Blizzard Cup), a MLG title at Columbus, and was the main reason his team was able to take home two GSTL titles with his amazing closing ability in tight situations. Going in 2012, Slayers looks like they might overtake with Incredible Miracle with the emergence of players like Brown, Puzzle, Ganzi, and Taeja, but for this year, Incredible Miracle will happily take the title of strongest team, housing the most trophies of any team so far in Starcraft 2 and having the most prize money as well.

- Fionn




Team of the Year (International)


us Evil Geniuses
nl Team Liquid


Tie: EG and TL



Photo by: 7mk


Additionally, we the Team Liquid writers, are giving ourselves an honorable mention for 'award cop-out of the year.'

When you looked at who took home championships this year, there were only non-Korean two teams in the discussion. However, it was it was extremely hard to weigh EG and TL's achievements against each other. For Liquid: Assembly Summer, GSL RO4, DreamHack Summer, DreamHack Winter, Blizzcon EU, and HomeStoryCup3. For EG: IPL1, IEM Cologne, IEM Guangzhou, MLG Orlando, GSL RO8, and ASUS ROG Stars. Those are just championships; there are also a ton of high finishes we haven't mentioned.

Outside of tournament performances, both teams did amazing jobs promoting their teams and creating huge fan followings. Whether you checked player stream numbers or what kind of t-shirts fans were wearing at events live events (honorable mention to team Dignitas for their hoodie, arguably the best piece of apparel in all of ESPORTS), you could easily tell that the two teams had the lion's share of fan support.

In the end, it was just too close to call. In this category, we award the sole tie. That, and we don't want to pick TL and get yelled at by our readers for bias, or pick EG and get yelled at by our readers for meta-bias.

- Waxangel





Non-Player Personality of the Year


Day9



Photo by: iSzemotion


We're fast approaching the point where we should rename this award the "Day9 Award for Best Non-Player Personality," but until then… Sean Plott is a man who, for a large majority of the Starcraft community, should need no introduction.

As a long-time player, broadcaster and analyst, his pedigree is practically unmatched, but what cements this award for Day9 has been his boundless enthusiasm, an unfettered passion that has seen him grow from an esports personality to something approximating "cult leader" status. His excitement is infectious, and the devotion he engenders fanatical – as anyone who's seen his ability to command a roomful of people to do the fusion-core-dance will attest.

Day9 rides atop the crest of a wave of esports adulation, and it's hard not to be swept up in it.

- SirJolt




Tournament of the Year (Korea)


GSL November



Art by: Meko


I've watched every single GSL from the time Idra stepped into the gigantic train-like booth to possibly the greatest game in Starcraft 2 history when MMA took down DongRaeGu in the eventful seventh set of their series to win the Blizzard Cup. I can say without doubt the best GSL, from start to finish, from Code S to Code A, was the November edition.

It might not have had the best production value or K-Pop girl player intros, but what you did get was wall to wall great games every single night. With the new format in place, you got to see more of your favorite players and the rise of some new talent to keep an eye out for in 2012. Topping it all of was the sensational semifinal between Leenock and MVP, going to the fifth set and pushing both players to their limits before the young Zerg from FXO could take home the ticket to the final.

Now, usually in GSL finals, the games would either be one-sided or a three minute cheese that goes right or wrong, but what we got to the November finals between Jjakji and Leenock was a spectacular array of games. We saw brilliant timings from Jjakji, Leenock's use of baneling landmines, and long macro-oriented games played by both. Jjakji showed us a few new ways to play TvZ and Leenock proved that he is definitely coming after the title of Best Zerg in 2012. No, the series didn't last seven games, but it was a perfect sendoff to the best GSL of 2011. From the fans, to the players, to the casters, it was a tournament that no one should ever forget.

- Fionn




Tournament of the Year (Europe)


DreamHack Winter 2011




It shouldn't come as much surprise that many of the best tournaments of the year came last. As the scene expanded, as event upon event competed and innovated to stay ahead of the pack, the quality of SC2 events went skyrocketing through the roof. As the last major LAN of 2011, Dreamhack Winter set the standard that all LANs will be judged by in 2012. The players were superb, the games delivered, and the story-line played out better than the organizers could have possibly dreamed.

But what this tournament will be remembered for is the best finals production of any tournament in the world. Subtract one of the most miscast hosts in history, and you've got the famous ESPORTS couch, six of the best casters in the world, two of the best players in the world, a ton of good graphics and camera shots, some silly yet fascinating gimmicks like the pulse meter, and—oh yeah—a hockey stadium stuffed with thousands of pumped up fans. There's no doubt; Dreamhack Winter showed us the brightest future for SC2 yet.

- tree.hugger




Tournament of the Year (USA)


MLG Columbus




If you look back at MLG Columbus, a tournament that was held just six months ago, you can't help but think it's awfully dated. I mean, you call that HD? There were no bells and whistles and to keep you entertained either, just games followed by down time, followed by games, followed by excruciating down time and so forth. Hell, Starcraft wasn't even on the main stage.

Even so, it was the best, and most important tournament of the year. In the big picture, it was the tournament that heralded the arrival of ESPORTS in America. After much trial and error, MLG finally figured out what key components it needed for its Starcraft II brand, and delivered them without error: Two reliable streams, high caliber players from around the world, and room for a crowd to gather. For the first time, American fans got a truly solid product.

That was all it took. Finally having an exhaust for their pent up passion, American fans went insane over pro-gaming like they never had before. It was the birth of the ESPORTS weekend: where fans devote all their time going to, or streaming a tournament for three days, because it's so much fun you don't want to miss any single detail. Weekends where time just stops, and the actions of two hundred gamers in a small American city become the center of the universe.

No, it hasn't aged well. The production is worse, the play is six months worse (an eternity in developing strategies and skill), and everyone involved – casters, players, cameramen, etc – just look less experienced.

But nostalgia is hard to shake. No matter what comes in the future, we'll never be able to recreate that "Oh my god, THIS is what we've been waiting for" feeling. But at least we have that feeling to aspire to, in the next year, the next, and the next. And for that, MLG Columbus was the best American Tournament of 2011.

- Waxangel




Game of the Year


Nominees:
(T)Jjakji vs. (Z)Leenock - GSL November Finals Game One
(T)TOP vs. (T)MVP - GSL August Finals Game One
(Z)Stephano vs. (P)KiWiKaKi - IPL3 RO32 Game Two(31:00)
(T)ThorZaIN vs. (P)MC - TSL3 RO8 Game Four
(T)MMA vs. (Z)DongRaeGu - Blizzard Cup Finals Game 7
(Z)NesTea vs. (T)sC - GSL May Semifinals Game Five

DRG vs MMA



Art by: Meko


This year we saw long games, short games, bad games, and boring games. We saw the best of the best and some of TheBestfOu the worst of the worst. After sitting through a million hours of games this year (no hyperbole needed), we had to narrow down the list of best games to only a few. It was a hard decision between what was left, but there was one game that stood above all others when it came to the story it completed, the high level play involved, and the rivalry it advanced. DongRaeGu and MMA played to the best of their abilities at the height of pressure. When going down 0-3 in the series, it looked like DongRaeGu was dead in the water. I thought he was playing some of the worst games in GSL finals history. Then, like a flip had been switched on, DRG came roaring back with three straight victories on maps he wasn't supposed to win on, forcing the finals to go to a deciding set.

MMA could have crumbled, but he didn't. DongRaeGu could have fallen apart after having to give it his all to get back into the series with three hard earned wins, but he didn't. They both played to the best of their potential, wanting to take home the championship in the tournament of champions.

You couldn't ask for a better game with a better story. When Boxer set out to create Slayers, he wanted to build the team around two players: MMA and DongRaeGu. MMA became the crown jewel of Slayers, but DongRaeGu on the other hand was more worried about school and didn't accept the offer to try out for the team. In the end, DRG ended up on MVP after the coach promised that if the progaming gig didn't work out he would pay his way through university.

MMA prevailed in the end, but the fans chanted DongRaeGu's name all the same, showing respect for how valiantly he fought back from being behind three games against one of, if not the best, Terran in the world. All in all, this game and series reassured myself why I am a journalist for e-sports and love writing about it. It made me cheer and keep my eyes glued to the computer screen for thirty straight minutes, wanting to know whose will would be stronger in the end. When the battle was done and Slayers converged on the stage, lifting their champion on the stage, I clapped. Not only for MMA, but for DongRaeGu and the amazing game they just showed us.

I hope you clapped, too.

- Fionn




Player of the Year (Korea)


IMMvp



Photo by: Silverfire


If only we had an award for least surprising result. With other possible contenders NesTea and MC slipping by the wayside in the second half of the year, giving this to MVP is little more than a formality. The year began with MVP dominating GSL January, blowing through the field while losing just one game in the process, and continuing through the years with wins at MLG, WCG, and a second Code-S.

The real story with MVP were the few times he found himself struggling, once falling to Code-A after a rough patch of up-and-down matches. While he went on to mostly cruise through Code-A, he ultimate fell to Bomber 2-4 in the finals, a spot that remains one of his two second place finishes. The other, perhaps more spectacular, being a loss to MMA in GSL Code S October, during the Blizzcon weekend where he seemed destined to take two titles with a single trip.

When a player's more notable achievements are not the times he won, but the times when he somehow missed capturing victory, it becomes easy to mark him as the most accomplished player of that period. MVP is a player whose name has become so synonymous with success that it is a genuine surprise when he enters tournaments and fails to win them, a man who has conquered every land Starcraft 2 has to offer with seeming ease and grace that make it looks as if he is expending no effort at all. There isn't much else to say, MVP is hands-down the best and it is absolutely unthinkable to give this award out anywhere else when looking at the scope of events through the past year.

- Heyoka




Player of the Year (International)


ca / us EG.HuK
fr Mill.Stephano
se QxGNaNiwa

EG.HuK



Photo from majorleaguegaming.com


It was a year where white dudes were owned by Koreans, and the supporters of the so called "foreigners" found hope to be an awfully scarce commodity. Jinro could not repeat his early success, IdrA left Korea, and the dozen or so other foreigners that traveled to Korea got their butts kicked by the brutal gate-keeper known as Code-A. On the other hand, the Koreans developed an unhealthy appetite for foreign currency, and they prowled the world in ravenous packs in search of dollars and Euros.

But even in such treacherous times, there was one shining beacon of hope: Chris Loranger. He didn't just turn the tables on the Koreans. No, they were flipped -- and Kimchi was spilled.

In March, HuK showed coach Choya that he should leave playing to the players by replacing him in Code S. In May, when MMA was trying to prove his skill went beyond GSTL, it was HuK who swatted the crown prince down from the up-down matches with an emphatic 2-0 rejection. HuK even took up legend killing for a day, defeating oGs.Nada for a personal best top eight finish.

Of course, his exploits outside of Korea were famous as well. He won championships at HomeStoryCup 3, DreamHack Summer, and MLG Orlando, defeating a Korean player in two of the finals. Each victory helped bridge an ever widening Korea-World gap, as well as protecting valuable foreigner money (although, he did take it back to Korea, spend it in Korea, pay taxes in Korea and support the Korean economy in general. Gamsa hamnida!).

Admittedly, Stephano and NaNiwa put up some very impressive performances in the later half the year, and you can definitely argue the case that they hit higher peaks than HuK. NaNiwa beat six GSL gold medals' worth in Mvp and Nestea over the course of a few hours, while Stephano's two week IPL3/ESWC double-crown might have been harder than HuK's HSC3/DHS. However, as hard as it is to burn so brightly over a short period, it's even harder to keep the fire alive over an entire year.

What makes all of these feats even more impressive is that HuK did this with what must have been the most ridiculous schedule in ESPORTS history. I recall that at one point this year, I calculated that he had done two laps of the world in a ten day stretch. Considering that most Koreans don't go anywhere, and have pretty much every single hour, every single day of the week available to them to practice, it's almost a miracle that HuK did as well as he did. He could have complained, he could have asked for a break, but instead he took on the burden of carrying our hopes (and EG contract requirements) and trudged on until the end. Thank you, HuK. I wish we had more to give you than this silly award.

- Waxangel




Three Players to Watch in 2012

By: tree.hugger


[image loading] ROX.KIS.TITAN
Overview:
Perhaps no player had a more rapid rise in the last months of this year than TITAN. The former WC3 pro, who has been playing Sc2 for just six months, qualified online for Dreamhack Winter, then took full advantage of his opportunity by advancing past the first group stage and barely missing the championship bracket on game differential after wins over NightEnD and Kas. Good enough to grab the third Russian WCG qualifier back in September, by the main event TITAN was indisputably Russia's best hope, and he proved it. In his WCG group, TITAN lost narrowly to IdrA, but punished the rest of his group to advance. In the bracket stages, he took out KiWiKaKi and then swept SuperNoVa in the upset of the tournament. Most recently, he qualified for IEM Kiev, booking that as his first major event of 2012. His meteoric rise in the past month and a half certainly lends itself to comparison with Stephano, another unheralded WC3 player who learned and revolutionized Sc2 with incredible speed. But for now, that kind of discussion is a bit premature. TITAN has much further to go and more to learn before he can similarly bring Europe to heel. If he can keep his momentum up though, look out.

The Upside:
TITAN's play feels raw and unrefined, but it is full of potential. In a way, TITAN looks a bit like an early-2011 HuK; extremely confident in his control, sometimes to the point of suicide. Favoring gateway armies for longer than is usually expected, TITAN can put a lot of pressure on the opposite player, but can go too far and get overwhelmed by clever opponents. Micro is his strongest suit by far, and his game management smartly takes this into account; usually by taking early economic advantages like a fast third base. TITAN's signature build is a unusual FE against zergs that simply plants a forward gateway instead of a forge, and relies on stellar control to avoid early losses. It encapsulates neatly what makes TITAN a fearsome opponent, but also hints at some of his shortcomings.

Room for Improvement:
There's definitely the danger of TITAN becoming a victim of 'the Happy effect' where a player making waves on the ladder withers under the scrutiny of a major LAN event. There are some worrying similarities between TITAN and his so-far disappointing countryman. In particular, TITAN and Happy share a certain inflexibility in style that makes them easy to prepare for and snipe. All new or rapidly rising players often see initial success that ends as they become more broadly known. The challenge is to adapt and become stronger as a result. For TITAN, that moment might be now. His name is now well known among EU pros, and his style—especially they gateway FE that feels gimmicky to me—will be picked apart.



no GLSnute
Overview: Snute has been capable of winning EU weekly cups and taking games from good players for a while now, but he's never been up with the elite in Europe. Yet month after month, Snute has steadily worked on his game, and in the last two months, he has been improving alarmingly fast. Already Norway's clear champion with thrree major domestic LAN wins in the fall, Snute qualified for ESWC but posted disappointing results in his first international LAN. Soon after, his stream was defeatured as part of the TL cleanup. Instead of responding to these setbacks negatively, Snute rolled up his sleeves and got stronger. With a host of impressive weekly cup results—including sweeps of viOlet and DIMAGA—and a Ro16 performance at WCG that included a win against MorroW, Snute found himself back in the featured column, and on the radar of quite a few more people. Although he missed out on qualifying for IEM Kiev, Snute's recent results seem to suggest we'll see him a lot more on the international stage.

The Upside: At first glace, Snute looks like just another is a macro zerg. He has strong mechanics, but neither his micro, macro, or management are superlative. What sets him apart is his versatile box of tricks in every match-up. In the summer, Snute first found success by abusing infestors in all match-ups, and developing a lot of techniques that other players would become more famous for. After the infestor nerf, Snute hit a period of rocky results, but resurfaced with smarter, cleaner, and more deadly gameplay. Burrowed infestors, and baneling worker assassinations are two staples of Snute's style, which punishes opponents who are slow to react or poor at multitasking. As an added bonus, Snute has made baneling busting into a fine art, keeping opponents on their toes at all times. Interestingly however, his best match-up, ZvZ, is much more fundamental, but backed up by a superb understanding of the MU. Beyond his dynamic style, watching Snute's practice is reason enough to think he's destined for bigger and brighter things in the coming year. A compulsive replay watcher, and adept commentator on his stream, Snute has become one of the better players in the scene at diagnosing and addressing his own mistakes, as well as constantly questioning his own play.

Room for Improvement: Snute has difficulties that are not unique, especially to zergs, but represent the difference between the merely good and the great. Sometimes aggressive to a fault, Snute commonly loses won games by overextending and trading inefficiently. Mech terran play has occasionally been an issue as well. More generally, Snute, like many other zergs, has room to improve with scouting, and can be taken by surprise by early protoss and terran pushes. Snute has wide experience dominating large Norwegian LANs, but his international league experience is quite limited, and after missing the cut for IEM Kiev, he'll have to look for an invite to an event like Assembly Winter to get on the map.


kr QxGApocalypse
Overview: Originally on Team aLive, one of a number of smaller teams in Korea, completely unknown in the West, and hoping to make the GSTL; Apocalypse was recently picked up by Quantic, which means we'll see a lot more of him in 2012. He's been around for a while though, scattered videos of him exist on YouTube from many months ago. But his pickup by one of the most well-known teams in Sc2 is notable because it confirms what we've known for a long time (that he's an excellent player) and hints at a bright future. Foreign fans have already seen him in action twice; for QIM against Mousesports in the IPL Team Arena Challenge. That he was sent out already as a new recruit is surprising, but Apocalypse wasn't able to pick up a win on either occasion, with a loss to MorroW, and a cross-server defeat to ThorZaIN. Nonetheless, the play he exhibited in those brief appearances was fresh and showed enough of his skill to make Apocalypse one of the most interesting players in 2012.

The Upside: Simply by being a professional Korean terran, Apocalypse gains some caché, but he brings intangibles to the table that make him one of the best. His game sense and decision making are astonishing, so much so that opponents of his have said they almost thought he was maphacking. Apocalypse is also consistently unorthodox, he's well known for taking common builds and tweaking them to support different timings or compositions. This allows him to be relentlessly aggressive with some degree of safety. Early pushes timed to kill opposing zergs third bases are a specialty, as is early reaper play. In TvT, his mech play and funny transitions are difficult to anticipate. Combine this clever style and planning with attentive unit control, solid macro, and particularly crisp build execution and you have one of the most dangerous terrans currently outside of the GSL.

Room for Improvement: In the two IPL TAC games, you can see one of Apocalypse's natural weaknesses, as his cute strategies are at least partially blocked and then his aggressiveness comes back to haunt him as he gets run over in a poor engagement. That's the 'just go kill him!' gospel in the Book of Day9, and in the IPL games as well as ladder matches, Apocalypse seems vulnerable to hyper-standard, defensive play that builds to a single strong attack. Proper scouting and due caution can undo cleverness, and if Apocalypse continues to be weak to mid-late counter play, then he'll have a hard time making it as far as he can. But his pick-up by QxG should help with this, and in closing that hole in his gameplay, Apocalypse will be able to force players into his kind of games, the type that few current Sc2 pros seem willing to play.
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kabar
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United States616 Posts
January 01 2012 05:07 GMT
#2
how timely.
mikesaysno
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January 01 2012 05:13 GMT
#3
Great article. Happy new year everyone!
reginaldd
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January 01 2012 05:15 GMT
#4
On January 01 2012 14:07 kabar wrote:
how timely.


No, I think you'll find it's 6 hours late.
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January 01 2012 05:16 GMT
#5
ahhh will we have BW edition?
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January 01 2012 05:16 GMT
#6
Right on new year. What a tTL thing
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January 01 2012 05:18 GMT
#7
On January 01 2012 14:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:
ahhh will we have BW edition?


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Russian Federation38 Posts
January 01 2012 05:20 GMT
#8
Great article, great year, e sports growing <3
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January 01 2012 05:20 GMT
#9
I approve these awards.
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USA29055 Posts
January 01 2012 05:22 GMT
#10
Amazing writeup Ty TL
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United States1742 Posts
January 01 2012 05:22 GMT
#11
Really enjoyed reading this, great write up. Happy New Year, TL!
Muffinman53
Profile Joined November 2010
571 Posts
January 01 2012 05:22 GMT
#12
Awesome writeup ^.^
Nithix
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States184 Posts
January 01 2012 05:22 GMT
#13
Awesome write up. My opinion differs on some of these, but that's what makes these "best of's" so awesome. Just the fact that I can have differing opinions on what was the most awesome part of ESPORTS in 2011 makes me smiles. Thanks TL!
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Marksofshame
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada41 Posts
January 01 2012 05:23 GMT
#14
Happy new years TL! Awesome article!
CabelD
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United States131 Posts
January 01 2012 05:23 GMT
#15
Great list. ♥ :D Happy New Year! :D
NuKedUFirst
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Canada3139 Posts
January 01 2012 05:23 GMT
#16
Awesomme!! Love you Waxangel! Have a good new years! Great write up!
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Profile Joined July 2011
Nepal88 Posts
January 01 2012 05:23 GMT
#17
Awesome article.
Hipsters gonna hip.
Xova
Profile Joined November 2010
United States342 Posts
January 01 2012 05:25 GMT
#18
That was a fun read, my favorite part was the ceremonies, there all so good!

Also Thorzain fighting!!!
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January 01 2012 05:26 GMT
#19
On January 01 2012 14:18 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:
ahhh will we have BW edition?


PM Hawaiianpig, Kiante, and Riptide about your concerns


Kiante told my to read SPL season preview...
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
January 01 2012 05:26 GMT
#20
Thanks for the write-up. Also

Happy New Years everyone!
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jumbotroN
Profile Joined April 2010
Peru229 Posts
January 01 2012 05:26 GMT
#21
so ESPORTS = SC2? ookay.
AiRaZe
Profile Joined November 2011
United States17 Posts
January 01 2012 05:29 GMT
#22
HuK such a boss. <3 him no matter the jersey color. Awesome writeup, as usual
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Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
January 01 2012 05:32 GMT
#23
Amazing...... absolutely astounding....... This was well well WELL worth the read.....

Mad respect and love for the TL writing staff
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B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
January 01 2012 05:32 GMT
#24
I think Mouz deserves team of the year. They've been doing better than either TL or EG in team leagues. I feel the award should go to the team that functions best as a whole, not the team that acquires a Korean who can dominate foreigners.
Cynthesis
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United States22 Posts
January 01 2012 05:34 GMT
#25
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.
"Good game does not mean good play"
ES_JohnClark
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1121 Posts
January 01 2012 05:35 GMT
#26
Nice article. Perplexed by no mention of Complexity for Team of the Year (NA). Other then that.. pretty good stuff. A bit skewed, but solid.
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Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
January 01 2012 05:36 GMT
#27
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.
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mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
January 01 2012 05:38 GMT
#28
ah- how timely indeed- great read- MVP is definitely hands down the best player of the year
really liked the last part about up and coming people!
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Wein
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil452 Posts
January 01 2012 05:41 GMT
#29
Great article!

I wanna Daybreak on the ladder =(
RaNdOmOwNaGe
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Australia51 Posts
January 01 2012 05:44 GMT
#30
What the hell is with the picture of HerO and HuK?
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Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
January 01 2012 05:48 GMT
#31
On January 01 2012 14:44 RaNdOmOwNaGe wrote:
What the hell is with the picture of HerO and HuK?

It's from Dreamhack Winter right after HuK lost to Seiplo.. Chris came over to talk to HerO about his style and wanted revenge
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LeoA
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Canada108 Posts
January 01 2012 05:48 GMT
#32
excellent write up!
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United States1604 Posts
January 01 2012 05:49 GMT
#33
WOOT GO GO MVP AND HUK!
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United States2192 Posts
January 01 2012 05:49 GMT
#34
Awesome writeup, Happy New Year
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United States1606 Posts
January 01 2012 05:51 GMT
#35
Looking forward to even more in 2012!
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
January 01 2012 05:51 GMT
#36
Amazing! I agree with pretty much every decision. Great job!
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
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January 01 2012 05:51 GMT
#37
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne
"Good game does not mean good play"
RoninShogun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
January 01 2012 05:52 GMT
#38
GSL November absolutely the best one, left me so excited for next season, but Providence set it up so perfectly! Happy New Year Team Liquid!
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Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
January 01 2012 05:53 GMT
#39
Excellent write up love this stuff.

EG and TL tied for best team??? :o
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Tazerenix
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia340 Posts
January 01 2012 05:54 GMT
#40
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne

Technically HuK was on Liquid for DHS and Homestory Cup.
John Madden
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
American Samoa894 Posts
January 01 2012 05:54 GMT
#41
It's been a big year for big boys
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 01 2012 05:55 GMT
#42
On January 01 2012 14:54 Tazerenix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne

Technically HuK was on Liquid for DHS and Homestory Cup.


And Puma was on TSL for NASL1. Hence why EG picked him up.
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Cynthesis
Profile Joined April 2011
United States22 Posts
January 01 2012 05:56 GMT
#43
On January 01 2012 14:54 Tazerenix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne

Technically HuK was on Liquid for DHS and Homestory Cup.

True,

5, 6 then.
"Good game does not mean good play"
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 06:15:51
January 01 2012 05:56 GMT
#44
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne

You can't lineup it like that.

Liquid (1st places):
PokerIdol (TLO)
Assembly Winter (Ret)
Blizz EU Invitational (Ret)
DreamHack Summer (HuK)
HomeStoryCup III (HuK)
DreamHack Winter (HerO)

EG (1st places):
IPL Season 1 (IdrA)
IEM GamesCom (PuMa)
IEM China (IdrA)
Asus ROG (IdrA)
MLG Orlando (HuK)
NASL Season 2 (PuMa)

So EG and we are tried for the lead, but where one of the "major" titles you're bringing in is an online tournament. However this is very very close and not hugely in favor of EG
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grandmoose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States160 Posts
January 01 2012 05:56 GMT
#45
I think MVP (team) should be a nominee for best team. Other than that great writeup.
not really a moose
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
January 01 2012 05:56 GMT
#46
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne

Do you think its fair to award results to players on teams when they weren't on that team :-) ?
Cocoba
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada352 Posts
January 01 2012 05:56 GMT
#47
Awesome and Hilarious write up :D
Caught myself Loling a few times
:D
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 01 2012 05:58 GMT
#48
On January 01 2012 14:56 grandmoose wrote:
I think MVP (team) should be a nominee for best team. Other than that great writeup.


They were when I wrote it. They got chopped off in the final proceedings.
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moltenlead
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada866 Posts
January 01 2012 05:59 GMT
#49
I agreed with almost everything, but you meta-meta-biased yourselves out with the foreign team pick... You can't ever fully get rid of bias, just make a call and deal with the fallback.
Cynthesis
Profile Joined April 2011
United States22 Posts
January 01 2012 06:00 GMT
#50
On January 01 2012 14:56 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne

Do you think its fair to award results to players on teams when they weren't on that team :-) ?

Sorry, you are correct, I did not calculate this. I still hold my original opinion, but respect yours.
"Good game does not mean good play"
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
January 01 2012 06:03 GMT
#51
Tal'Darim not even nominated for Map of the Year?

That was the map which revolutionized the game (well one of the 3), but it has been around for the longest, got onto the ladder, pretty balanced and has given us plenty of great games.
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FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
January 01 2012 06:04 GMT
#52
Great article, I just want to jump in here and say that I fully agree with Daybreak as map of the year.
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decerto
Profile Joined November 2011
244 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 06:09:44
January 01 2012 06:04 GMT
#53
Sorry international team of the year wtf......, where was mouz, mouz outstrips both eg and tl as a team by a long shot, no team comes together in team leagues like mouz, no team comes even close to it, maybe less so as a group of individuals but thats blind bias not even nominating mouz.
moltenlead
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada866 Posts
January 01 2012 06:04 GMT
#54
On January 01 2012 15:00 Cynthesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:56 Kennigit wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne

Do you think its fair to award results to players on teams when they weren't on that team :-) ?

Sorry, you are correct, I did not calculate this. I still hold my original opinion, but respect yours.


I haven't calculated this but I would venture that as a team, TL has had more high placements than EG this year. TL seems to have more general depth when you look past the stars.

If we just look at the heavy-hitters, then yes I would agree EG has the better team.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
January 01 2012 06:07 GMT
#55
Worst Drama Winner...

Nobody
[image loading]

Bahahahaaha. Well done.

I could argue about some of the winners, but everything is so well-written and is overall a great read.

Happy New Year!
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
January 01 2012 06:07 GMT
#56
very bias haha
EG is better
Incredible Miracle
Cynthesis
Profile Joined April 2011
United States22 Posts
January 01 2012 06:09 GMT
#57
On January 01 2012 15:04 moltenlead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 15:00 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:56 Kennigit wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne

Do you think its fair to award results to players on teams when they weren't on that team :-) ?

Sorry, you are correct, I did not calculate this. I still hold my original opinion, but respect yours.


I haven't calculated this but I would venture that as a team, TL has had more high placements than EG this year. TL seems to have more general depth when you look past the stars.

If we just look at the heavy-hitters, then yes I would agree EG has the better team.

I think TL feels like it flows better together, but EG I feel has a deeper depth of talent which pushes it higher as the overall 'better' team. But better in a general sense, they both have aspects that outweigh one another.
"Good game does not mean good play"
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
January 01 2012 06:09 GMT
#58
Great write-up, good stuff!
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
vahgar.r24
Profile Joined October 2010
India465 Posts
January 01 2012 06:10 GMT
#59
Thanks , i love such best of articles and this was awesome!
Somethings are just worth fighting for
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 06:14:42
January 01 2012 06:10 GMT
#60
On January 01 2012 15:04 decerto wrote:
Sorry international team of the year wtf......, where was mouz, mouz outstrips both eg and tl as team by a long shot, no team comes together in team leagues like mouz no team comes even close to it

mouz is definitely one amazing team and that's nothing i want to take away from them. But the team leagues that has been in the past year, hasn't really been on the level of the 1on1 competitions that has been. What the reason exactly might have been for that, I can't really tell, but the money compared to effort hasn't been exactly worth it to value it higher than some of the biggest tournaments such as IPL and DreamHack (which they have collided with), so while it's been taken seriously and people have wanted to play to win, I still think there's a long way to go for these and I believe IGN will be bringing some stuff to the table very soon.

However mouz definitely lacks 1on1 competition wins and general attendance than other teams.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 01 2012 06:14 GMT
#61
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne


You missed a bunch + you cannot count wins from before they joined the team as the current teams wins.

ot: really nice article I enjoyed every second of it.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
January 01 2012 06:14 GMT
#62
What a great year
the farm ends here
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 01 2012 06:15 GMT
#63
Nice writeup

Suppy is actually somebody to watch though. Missed that.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 06:16:23
January 01 2012 06:15 GMT
#64
For Team of the Year (International), it says that Liquid has a 'GSL RO4' place.

I may be forgetting someone, but I don't think anyone on Liquid ever made it to Ro4 (Huk made it Ro8 only).
Liquipedia"Expert"
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 06:16:48
January 01 2012 06:16 GMT
#65
Whoo, 2011 was awesome, here's hoping 2012 is even better. And that the last GSL of the year ends before December 12.

On January 01 2012 15:15 Inflicted_ wrote:
For Team of the Year (International), it says that Liquid has a 'GSL RO4' place.

I may be forgetting someone, but I don't think anyone on Liquid ever made it to Ro4 (Huk made it Ro8 only).

Jinro ofc.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 01 2012 06:16 GMT
#66
On January 01 2012 15:15 Inflicted_ wrote:
For Team of the Year (International), it says that Liquid has a 'GSL RO4' place.

Either I'm forgetting someone, but I don't think anyone on Liquid ever made it to Ro4 (Huk made it Ro8 only).


Jinro, twice.
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
January 01 2012 06:16 GMT
#67
On January 01 2012 15:15 Inflicted_ wrote:
For Team of the Year (International), it says that Liquid has a 'GSL RO4' place.

Either I'm forgetting someone, but I don't think anyone on Liquid ever made it to Ro4 (Huk made it Ro8 only).


Jinro made the semis in GSL January, and lost to MKP.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
January 01 2012 06:17 GMT
#68
On January 01 2012 15:16 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 15:15 Inflicted_ wrote:
For Team of the Year (International), it says that Liquid has a 'GSL RO4' place.

Either I'm forgetting someone, but I don't think anyone on Liquid ever made it to Ro4 (Huk made it Ro8 only).


Jinro, twice.


Ah, that's right. It was so long ago, I didn't even remember it as being apart of 2011.
Liquipedia"Expert"
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
January 01 2012 06:17 GMT
#69
On January 01 2012 15:17 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 15:16 Dodgin wrote:
On January 01 2012 15:15 Inflicted_ wrote:
For Team of the Year (International), it says that Liquid has a 'GSL RO4' place.

Either I'm forgetting someone, but I don't think anyone on Liquid ever made it to Ro4 (Huk made it Ro8 only).


Jinro, twice.


Ah, that's right. It was so long ago, I didn't even remember it as being apart of 2011.

Only one of them were..
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
KMARTRULES2
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia149 Posts
January 01 2012 06:20 GMT
#70
I find it hard to believe that Artosis was not "Non-player personality of the year".
phANT1m
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
South Africa535 Posts
January 01 2012 06:20 GMT
#71
For the Rivalry of the Year I think Mousesports and EG's mini twitter war should be a really good contender.
TBK
Profile Joined June 2011
Jamaica8 Posts
January 01 2012 06:21 GMT
#72
Obvious bias lol... but other then that was well done.
"TBK y so bm??!"
[Erasmus]
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia286 Posts
January 01 2012 06:24 GMT
#73
Seriously, why is Mouz not team of the year... I get that EG/Liquid probably have a few more individual results on their roster, but Mouz are the scariest foreign team. Looks incredibly biased with only 2 nominations to begin with.
pHelix Equilibria
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1134 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 06:27:50
January 01 2012 06:27 GMT
#74
IMMVP IS SO GOOD.

Awesome read, fun pictures, and great year!
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
January 01 2012 06:29 GMT
#75
Amazing article. Sad that there was no mention of qxc all-killing IM, which I believe was the greatest e-sports moment of 2011.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
January 01 2012 06:31 GMT
#76
Cant wait to see IM.Apocalypse follow the path of Bomber of going from Code-B to Code-S

Great write up!!
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
January 01 2012 06:34 GMT
#77
Worst Drama award was particularly good
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
January 01 2012 06:36 GMT
#78
nice! but i think slayers is the team of the year. they were the most influential and popular
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
January 01 2012 06:39 GMT
#79
Great article guys :D
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Sayer
Profile Joined August 2009
United States403 Posts
January 01 2012 06:40 GMT
#80
and the Starcraft Website of the year goes to... TL. Thanks TL you are the best starcraft everything ever.
Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 06:45:16
January 01 2012 06:42 GMT
#81
biased awards are biased
Progamer
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
January 01 2012 06:45 GMT
#82
I would've said BlinG for the up-and-comers to watch for sure! 6-0 his group at WCG, did really well at the IPL4 quals. I suppose there's lots of players you can put there, beastyqt, sYz, Axslav, lots of people.

Agreed that the drama just needs to die.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
January 01 2012 06:46 GMT
#83
On January 01 2012 15:42 Naniwa wrote:
biased awards are biased

"Team Liquid awards"

There's always going to be some sort of bias, it's impossible to remove all bias from something that's qualitatively chosen by humans. At least you won one award
LlOoKkIi
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Korea (South)473 Posts
January 01 2012 06:48 GMT
#84
Nice article, drama award was pretty damn hilarious.
Have to disagree with a few like best korean team, I thought for sure slayers was the most influential.
Korean Highschool Exchange Student. Apink's Eunji #1
InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
January 01 2012 06:49 GMT
#85
Year in review article! Oh, no brood war... moving along... Also, EG and TL international teams of the year? Seems to be wishful thinking.
... Knowmsayin'?
Thewildfish
Profile Joined September 2010
United States113 Posts
January 01 2012 06:54 GMT
#86
awesome stuff thanks! go go huk!
imPERSONater
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1324 Posts
January 01 2012 06:54 GMT
#87
SNUTE! So happy to see him get this recognition! Love watching his stream <3
Fan of: IdrA, Sen, Stephano, Snute, Axlav, Hero
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
January 01 2012 06:55 GMT
#88
Great read, EG TL Hwaiting!
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
ex000r
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland74 Posts
January 01 2012 06:56 GMT
#89
i don't agree with all the winners but anyway, this is sick, i love it
Deyster
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Jordan579 Posts
January 01 2012 07:01 GMT
#90
I'm surprised you left out Boxer from the most creative players. I mean, even in his silly showmatch against Yellow, he pointed out how he could instantly get his marines cross the map. That's creativity right there. Not to mention, his countless brilliant decisions that make his games interesting.

Good call though, KiwiKaki was very impressive this year, the mass recall madness game was the most brilliant usage of a mothership I've ever seen and probably will see.
Watch the minimap.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 01 2012 07:01 GMT
#91
nominating tl for the best awards ceremony award! wait... did that even make sense...?
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 07:04:35
January 01 2012 07:02 GMT
#92
On January 01 2012 14:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:18 Waxangel wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:
ahhh will we have BW edition?


PM Hawaiianpig, Kiante, and Riptide about your concerns


Kiante told my to read SPL season preview...

TL has a new girlfriend now, its not gonna invite the ex to the celebrations!
the reddit mascot in the drama section had me chuckling :D
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
January 01 2012 07:07 GMT
#93
I don't follow sc2 but is it me or is Daybreak pretty much Into the Darkness from sc1 days. turned on it's side
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
January 01 2012 07:08 GMT
#94
Great article.
I agree with almost all of the picks
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10343 Posts
January 01 2012 07:09 GMT
#95
Nice. Don't agree with all the winners, and I feel some things are left out in the nominees, but you can't cover it all perfectly I guess (let alone have the same opinion).

Thanks for writing this up!
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
January 01 2012 07:13 GMT
#96
Such a great article, really brought back memories from the year. Thanks for a great year TL, good luck in the next one!
The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
January 01 2012 07:19 GMT
#97
Damn this is gorgeous. Great job.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
January 01 2012 07:24 GMT
#98
I move to vote TL for being the best SC2 community in 2011 =) Sick writeup guys, and happy new years!
I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
Majesty
Profile Joined December 2010
Iceland33 Posts
January 01 2012 07:25 GMT
#99
great article, thank you TL !
[.GEGT1337.]Majesty - Calm like a bomb
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
January 01 2012 07:27 GMT
#100
Oh XiGua took down both Snute and TitaN in WCG.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Bones_
Profile Joined December 2011
United States4 Posts
January 01 2012 07:28 GMT
#101
What a really nice article! I liked the collaborative effort in order to get varied perspectives. I can agree with almost all of the choices, and while I am not concerned in the slightest with any bias that existed, I do wish that some of the categories would have had more nominations.

Additionally, I enjoyed the section that highlighted some of the up-and-comers of 2012. In particular, I like that you did not choose names that were already pretty popular, just not champion-calibur players (for example, I like that you did not choose Axlav, although he is certainly a great up-and-coming player - it is just that everyone already knows who he is, and deservedly so!). Instead, you focused on people I truly have never seen before, and that is something that I am really excited about.

All in all, this was a fantastic article, and it makes me terribly excited for the upcoming year! Thank you very much TL!
akari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States65 Posts
January 01 2012 07:28 GMT
#102
Artosis totally snubbed for esports personality? Sad panda
When I say Korean, I mean plays on the Korean server. I don't care what you think it is, that's what I mean when I say it.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
January 01 2012 07:29 GMT
#103
On January 01 2012 14:15 reginaldd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:07 kabar wrote:
how timely.


No, I think you'll find it's 6 hours late.

or timely
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 07:31:12
January 01 2012 07:29 GMT
#104
What a fun article.
It would be cool if this could be expanded to a semi-event type ceremony.
Team liquid has sufficient credibility and clout to give out theses awards and for the award to be meaningful.

I think it would be positive promotion of Starcraft and eSports in general.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 07:32:25
January 01 2012 07:29 GMT
#105
On January 01 2012 16:28 akari wrote:
Artosis totally snubbed for esports personality? Sad panda

come now, you cant really complain about day9 over artosis, they are both titans in the e-sports world.

off topic: is there are drinking smiley? i cant seem to find it.. im drunk off my ass atm and it seems rather fitting.
noemercy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States71 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 07:31:45
January 01 2012 07:30 GMT
#106
They forgot NASL season 1 and 2 for EG championships.

Edit: Or technically just Season 2, because I don't beleive Puma was with duruing S1.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 01 2012 07:31 GMT
#107
On January 01 2012 15:42 Naniwa wrote:
biased awards are biased

u gotta sk8

i found this article entertaining to say the least, and i hardly follow the scene lol
MarineKongPrime > Murloc though imo
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
January 01 2012 07:35 GMT
#108
"I like to think there's a special place in hell for the 1/1/1."

LOL Thanks guys, that was a spectacular read!
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 01 2012 07:39 GMT
#109
I truly think SlayerS was more of the Team of the Year as well as IPL over MLG (MLG didn't get it right until 3 or 4 MLGs later).
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
ZenobiaTalon
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada35 Posts
January 01 2012 07:42 GMT
#110
Would have been nice to see a "best streamer" award. Maybe next year?

Happy New Year <3
Que Sera Sera
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
January 01 2012 07:43 GMT
#111
Enjoyed the write up damn was really good.
Forever Mirin Zyzz Son of Zeus Brother of Hercules Father of the Aesthetics
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1401 Posts
January 01 2012 07:43 GMT
#112
The most entertaining player section won most entertaining write up award lol.

Idra, the gift that keeps on giving.
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
January 01 2012 07:44 GMT
#113
Why is TL tied for team of the year with EG? It isn't hard at all to weigh the two teams' achievements against eachother -- TL is carried by HerO while EG is "carried" (if you can call it that) by three top players (now four I guess).

Bias...
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 07:47:47
January 01 2012 07:46 GMT
#114
On January 01 2012 16:44 hmunkey wrote:
Why is TL tied for team of the year with EG? It isn't hard at all to weigh the two teams' achievements against eachother -- TL is carried by HerO while EG is "carried" (if you can call it that) by three top players (now four I guess).

Bias...




Liquid (1st places):
PokerIdol (TLO)
Assembly Winter (Ret)
Blizz EU Invitational (Ret)
DreamHack Summer (HuK)
HomeStoryCup III (HuK)
DreamHack Winter (HerO)

EG (1st places):
IPL Season 1 (IdrA)
IEM GamesCom (PuMa)
IEM China (IdrA)
Asus ROG (IdrA)
MLG Orlando (HuK)
NASL Season 2 (PuMa)


Edit: Looks like EG was 'carried' by 2 players. Huk only has one win as an EG member. TL has 4 different players.



Snitches get stiches
mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
January 01 2012 07:49 GMT
#115
Great write up. Brought back some great memories. Here's to another great year in 2012
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
Kring
Profile Joined August 2011
Portugal70 Posts
January 01 2012 07:50 GMT
#116
Great article!!
Evolution complete
Lavit2099
Profile Joined November 2011
United States390 Posts
January 01 2012 07:53 GMT
#117
"Subtract one of the most miscast hosts in history, and you've got the famous ESPORTS couch, six of the best casters in the world, two of the best players in the world..."

Can I get a list of who is who on that list? I missed most of DHW11. I'm curious as to who the "two best players" and "subtract one of the most miscast hosts," but if I could get a list of who all was there and which section they'd fit in, that would be awesome.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
January 01 2012 07:54 GMT
#118
a great read, thanks TL, Award for best website goes to you by a unanimous decision
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 01 2012 07:55 GMT
#119
great write up, but how was puma vs mc NASL season 1 final, not on best series? :O
liftlift > tsm
noemercy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States71 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 07:58:19
January 01 2012 07:55 GMT
#120
On January 01 2012 16:46 FryktSkyene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 16:44 hmunkey wrote:
Why is TL tied for team of the year with EG? It isn't hard at all to weigh the two teams' achievements against eachother -- TL is carried by HerO while EG is "carried" (if you can call it that) by three top players (now four I guess).

Bias...




Show nested quote +
Liquid (1st places):
PokerIdol (TLO)
Assembly Winter (Ret)
Blizz EU Invitational (Ret)
DreamHack Summer (HuK)
HomeStoryCup III (HuK)
DreamHack Winter (HerO)

EG (1st places):
IPL Season 1 (IdrA)
IEM GamesCom (PuMa)
IEM China (IdrA)
Asus ROG (IdrA)
MLG Orlando (HuK)
NASL Season 2 (PuMa)


Edit: Looks like EG was 'carried' by 2 players. Huk only has one win as an EG member. TL has 4 different players.






I don't see why you would say huk's win doesn't count yet tlo's does, as they both have 1 win on their current team.
Mandini
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1717 Posts
January 01 2012 07:58 GMT
#121
Wow, it has been a long year. A great one at that. Its hard to believe that all of this happened in the span of a year.
Incredible Miracle
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (South)19 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 08:31:48
January 01 2012 07:59 GMT
#122
We don't know about Apocalypse.

Apocalypse is only Quantic gaming player.

He is not IM player
Incredible Miracle!! Fighting~
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
January 01 2012 08:00 GMT
#123
On January 01 2012 16:55 noemercy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 16:46 FryktSkyene wrote:
On January 01 2012 16:44 hmunkey wrote:
Why is TL tied for team of the year with EG? It isn't hard at all to weigh the two teams' achievements against eachother -- TL is carried by HerO while EG is "carried" (if you can call it that) by three top players (now four I guess).

Bias...




Liquid (1st places):
PokerIdol (TLO)
Assembly Winter (Ret)
Blizz EU Invitational (Ret)
DreamHack Summer (HuK)
HomeStoryCup III (HuK)
DreamHack Winter (HerO)

EG (1st places):
IPL Season 1 (IdrA)
IEM GamesCom (PuMa)
IEM China (IdrA)
Asus ROG (IdrA)
MLG Orlando (HuK)
NASL Season 2 (PuMa)


Edit: Looks like EG was 'carried' by 2 players. Huk only has one win as an EG member. TL has 4 different players.






I don't see why you would say huk's win doesn't count yet tlo's does, as they both have 1 win on their current team.


True. So then it's 4-3 TL still wins? :D
Snitches get stiches
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 08:05:31
January 01 2012 08:02 GMT
#124
On January 01 2012 16:46 FryktSkyene wrote:
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On January 01 2012 16:44 hmunkey wrote:
Why is TL tied for team of the year with EG? It isn't hard at all to weigh the two teams' achievements against eachother -- TL is carried by HerO while EG is "carried" (if you can call it that) by three top players (now four I guess).

Bias...




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Liquid (1st places):
PokerIdol (TLO)
Assembly Winter (Ret)
Blizz EU Invitational (Ret)
DreamHack Summer (HuK)
HomeStoryCup III (HuK)
DreamHack Winter (HerO)

EG (1st places):
IPL Season 1 (IdrA)
IEM GamesCom (PuMa)
IEM China (IdrA)
Asus ROG (IdrA)
MLG Orlando (HuK)
NASL Season 2 (PuMa)


Edit: Looks like EG was 'carried' by 2 players. Huk only has one win as an EG member. TL has 4 different players.




Not all tournaments are equal though. If you actually look at the difficulty of the competition those results completely change. Hell, just take out any tourney that didn't have several Koreans and Liquid immediately looks a lot less impressive. My soccer team in 2nd grade went undefeated one season -- does that mean we're better than Manchester United?

And you're aware there are more places than first, right? If you look at the Korean-won tourneys, the top non-Koreans are without fail EG players and Naniwa.

Logic is pretty useful.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
January 01 2012 08:03 GMT
#125
Great read. Completely agree with most of them!
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 01 2012 08:03 GMT
#126
Happy new year! I'm kinda flabbergasted as to how Stephano is most revolutionary and how Keen didn't get best ceremonies
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Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
January 01 2012 08:04 GMT
#127
I enjoyed reading this, and im surprised that there are only 4 pages of replies this article deserves a lot more praise
gj ty
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HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
January 01 2012 08:06 GMT
#128
im honored i hope to take mvps position next year tho too ^^
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S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
January 01 2012 08:07 GMT
#129
EG: "Not even nominated for team of the year. Sup Mouz?"
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
January 01 2012 08:08 GMT
#130
On January 01 2012 17:06 HuK wrote:
im honored i hope to take mvps position next year tho too ^^

victor voted against u! LOL
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HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
January 01 2012 08:09 GMT
#131
On January 01 2012 17:08 Bumblebee wrote:
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On January 01 2012 17:06 HuK wrote:
im honored i hope to take mvps position next year tho too ^^

victor voted against u! LOL


wat do u mean
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Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
January 01 2012 08:09 GMT
#132
smart voting to keep the huk door open.
Progamer
ForlornHope
Profile Joined June 2011
Vietnam111 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 08:12:22
January 01 2012 08:10 GMT
#133
Nomination for team of the year should have included Mouz or maybe won by Mouz cause that is the team that won all team leauge outside of Korea
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Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
January 01 2012 08:11 GMT
#134
On January 01 2012 17:09 HuK wrote:
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On January 01 2012 17:08 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 17:06 HuK wrote:
im honored i hope to take mvps position next year tho too ^^

victor voted against u! LOL


wat do u mean

just trolling lol...~~ happy new years kiddo, hope to see u soon
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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5558 Posts
January 01 2012 08:12 GMT
#135
I'd like to point out that Daybreak is almost a carbon copy of Tiamat from BW, not just a reminiscence of Match Point.

Tiamat up-side down:

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Daybreak:

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Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
January 01 2012 08:13 GMT
#136
day9, really?

As long as there's cheese, freedom of speech, Shakuras Plateau and the F10 & 'N' keys, we suspect IdrA will be winning this award for years.

hahaha, great prose. <3 idra
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noemercy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States71 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 08:22:57
January 01 2012 08:22 GMT
#137
On January 01 2012 17:00 FryktSkyene wrote:
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On January 01 2012 16:55 noemercy wrote:
On January 01 2012 16:46 FryktSkyene wrote:
On January 01 2012 16:44 hmunkey wrote:
Why is TL tied for team of the year with EG? It isn't hard at all to weigh the two teams' achievements against eachother -- TL is carried by HerO while EG is "carried" (if you can call it that) by three top players (now four I guess).

Bias...




Liquid (1st places):
PokerIdol (TLO)
Assembly Winter (Ret)
Blizz EU Invitational (Ret)
DreamHack Summer (HuK)
HomeStoryCup III (HuK)
DreamHack Winter (HerO)

EG (1st places):
IPL Season 1 (IdrA)
IEM GamesCom (PuMa)
IEM China (IdrA)
Asus ROG (IdrA)
MLG Orlando (HuK)
NASL Season 2 (PuMa)


Edit: Looks like EG was 'carried' by 2 players. Huk only has one win as an EG member. TL has 4 different players.






I don't see why you would say huk's win doesn't count yet tlo's does, as they both have 1 win on their current team.


True. So then it's 4-3 TL still wins? :D


Technically, but listing TLO's win is questionable, and I think his point is that EG's roster is much better atm. Hero and Ret and pretty much all that TL has going for them, while EG has idra, huk, puma, demuslim, and now JYP.
HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
January 01 2012 08:24 GMT
#138
look how hero is touching me
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HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
January 01 2012 08:24 GMT
#139
he wants it so bad
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ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
January 01 2012 08:25 GMT
#140
I loved this. There's only one thing I would possibly change. You say that EG and TL are the only foreign teams in discussion for top foreign teams of the year. What about mouz? You can't deny they've done some incredible things this year!
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SovietHammer
Profile Joined March 2011
United States166 Posts
January 01 2012 08:25 GMT
#141
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
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On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne


As much as I root for TL and dislike EG, I agree that EG is clearly the top foreign team.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
January 01 2012 08:28 GMT
#142
i definitely agree look out for titan. i've been noticing him more and more and im getting impressed
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
January 01 2012 08:29 GMT
#143
On January 01 2012 17:24 HuK wrote:
he wants it so bad

let him take you
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Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
January 01 2012 08:29 GMT
#144
Great writeup, great read.
Logic is Overrated
twoxmachine
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States50 Posts
January 01 2012 08:30 GMT
#145
The Drama section is lacking in ways the disclaimer regarding followers being "losers" does not compensate for. The severity of internet bullying in Korea and the rights of streamers are topics that should be dealt with appropriately, not blown off. That these cases led to VERY thorough investigation and pseudo-litigation are signs of how extreme these problems can be, not the absurdity of it all. Some of the drama is almost skewed to the point of misinformation. Please reconsider referencing these stories so glibly if they are not going to be detailed at all.

*Wasn't able to cover other stories due to lack of familiarity.
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theMiNUS
Profile Joined January 2011
United States333 Posts
January 01 2012 08:30 GMT
#146
i can't believe i've been following sc2 for a whole year... (yea, i'm a newbie...) and what a year it's been!
not idly do the leaves of lorien fall...
colate
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway121 Posts
January 01 2012 08:31 GMT
#147
On January 01 2012 17:09 Naniwa wrote:
smart voting to keep the huk door open.


They'll close it when he 7 probes rushes in code a. Holy shit, wrong person
pookadin
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia422 Posts
January 01 2012 08:40 GMT
#148
On January 01 2012 16:59 IMHirai wrote:
We don't know about Apocalypse.

Apocalypse is only Quantic gaming player.

He is not IM player


IM Coach doesnt know who Apocalypse is. Maybe you guys got it wrong.
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dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
January 01 2012 08:53 GMT
#149
Love it
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Theeakoz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1114 Posts
January 01 2012 08:59 GMT
#150
This was great. Thanks for this, and <3 day9
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 01 2012 09:10 GMT
#151
On January 01 2012 17:24 HuK wrote:
he wants it so bad

he cant have you
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Hossinaut
Profile Joined June 2011
United States453 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 09:14:23
January 01 2012 09:13 GMT
#152
Sexy! <3

Thanks for the time and effort that went into the article, it was amazing to read and to remember :D

<3 Day[9] btw <3 (edit)
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
January 01 2012 09:13 GMT
#153
solid news post, i watched that idra video and it's great
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Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
January 01 2012 09:16 GMT
#154
REALLY GOOD write up!!!! Truly a nice treat to end off the year! ^_^
cpomz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States76 Posts
January 01 2012 09:17 GMT
#155
Very nice writeup. Happy New Years, hopefully 2012 will be only better and
On January 01 2012 18:10 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 17:24 HuK wrote:
he wants it so bad

he cant have you

Thats cute :D
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
January 01 2012 09:19 GMT
#156
This is really awesome. It is definitely not worth arguing over some of the decisions imo, because regardless of who got the awards, this was an absolutely awesome recap of the year. I appreciate it. I look forward to another next year. :D
Omer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Israel442 Posts
January 01 2012 09:20 GMT
#157
GLSnute def becoming better and better over time. i mean he does some crazy shit like beating me with infestor queen in zvz
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
January 01 2012 09:20 GMT
#158
On January 01 2012 17:40 pookadin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 16:59 IMHirai wrote:
We don't know about Apocalypse.

Apocalypse is only Quantic gaming player.

He is not IM player


IM Coach doesnt know who Apocalypse is. Maybe you guys got it wrong.


An additional error is the fact that Nestea won two GSL's this year, not three. Not that that changes IM's overall dominance because of Mvp, though it would be a little closer since there apparently other factors besides solo tournament runs.

A closer question might be, who carried his team more, MMA or DRG? DRG carried through a much longer GSTL season, and he was sometimes the entire team, whereas MMA was more often "only" the ace, but he also brought additional championships representing his team in normal tournaments. In terms of straight carrying, I'd probably have to go with DRG, by a very narrow margin.

But on the whole, it feels SlayerS' is neglected in some of the upper echelons of the foreign community (I'd rather listen to Tastosis cast, but I'd look to Wolf or Moletrap to talk about players that aren't from IM), perhaps out of fear of being seen as hopping on a bandwagon. For example, how many times must we hear, "mentored by SlayerSBoxer?" Coaches Cella and Ryu Won, as well as the players themselves, deserve a little more credit. And in the case of this article, Nestea and Apocalypse were both used to overhype IM, in a sense, and in the one case, it was to the detriment of SlayerS (not that that would swing the award in their favor--it shouldn't just because of that difference).

I understand that there's this feeling of "SlayerS gets all the attention." Even I was a little embarrassed MMA vs MVP won the best series award at the GSL award ceremonies, even though it was the result that pleased me most, but the team sure seems to get a share of negative attention, too. Since there was a small jab at Jessica mentioned in the drama section, perhaps it would be fair to remember SlayerS was the only team to withdraw from NASL in a timely manner, given that that drama was also mentioned in the same section?
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
January 01 2012 09:21 GMT
#159
Ummm jjajki not for break out performance but leenock is? We always knew leenock was a boss, he just paired with all the titans so he never got to show his full potential.. Jjakji on the other hand...
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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
January 01 2012 09:24 GMT
#160
Nice read guys! Thanks!
mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
January 01 2012 09:32 GMT
#161
well, imo there should be one more "foreign team of the year" title and it should go to mousesports since they have the best chievements as a team by far :
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mousesports#Team_Achievements,
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 09:36:45
January 01 2012 09:34 GMT
#162
On January 01 2012 18:21 asdfOu wrote:
Ummm jjajki not for break out performance but leenock is? We always knew leenock was a boss, he just paired with all the titans so he never got to show his full potential.. Jjakji on the other hand...


Agree... well Leenock like you said never showed his "full potential" (assuming he was that good or close to it shortly before GSL November) but you're right jjakji came out of nowhere. Didn't he come straight from Code B into Code A into Code S into winning GSL November? Leenock, however, has been known as a decent Zerg for about the entire year, and has been improving ever since.

Also I don't agree with Thorzain being a break out player. Yeah he's good and he came at TSL3 quite fast but I would have given Jjakji a nomination instead. If Leenock deserved the best break out player nomination, Jjakji deserved it more. Anyways I would say Jjakji > Thorzain, even. In both cases we never really knew the other player. Jjakji has been playing in some korean leagues, but no one (on TL at least) has really given much coverage on him. However, Jjakji won Code S... Thorzain beat MC, sure, but really that's his only impressive win. Fruit Dealer has been playing poorly ever since after GSL Open 1, and none of the other players Thorzain beat were notable. I mean, I really don't think Tyler nor Kas would even be able to stay in Code A consistently, if they were to make it at all. Jjakji jumped into Code S immediately and won the whole thing.
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ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 09:44:15
January 01 2012 09:43 GMT
#163
On January 01 2012 18:34 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 18:21 asdfOu wrote:
Ummm jjajki not for break out performance but leenock is? We always knew leenock was a boss, he just paired with all the titans so he never got to show his full potential.. Jjakji on the other hand...


Agree... well Leenock like you said never showed his "full potential" (assuming he was that good or close to it shortly before GSL November) but you're right jjakji came out of nowhere. Didn't he come straight from Code B into Code A into Code S into winning GSL November? Leenock, however, has been known as a decent Zerg for about the entire year, and has been improving ever since.

Also I don't agree with Thorzain being a break out player. Yeah he's good and he came at TSL3 quite fast but I would have given Jjakji a nomination instead. If Leenock deserved the best break out player nomination, Jjakji deserved it more. Anyways I would say Jjakji > Thorzain, even. In both cases we never really knew the other player. Jjakji has been playing in some korean leagues, but no one (on TL at least) has really given much coverage on him. However, Jjakji won Code S... Thorzain beat MC, sure, but really that's his only impressive win. Fruit Dealer has been playing poorly ever since after GSL Open 1, and none of the other players Thorzain beat were notable. I mean, I really don't think Tyler nor Kas would even be able to stay in Code A consistently, if they were to make it at all. Jjakji jumped into Code S immediately and won the whole thing.

Anyone who seen GSL the entire year would know what keept leenock back was his horrid ZvP(and still is...). Jjakjis only real preformance before GSL was the korean weekly monthly finals #1 which alot of people dint watch so he came as a shock to quite alot of people

Also why do kiwikakki keep getting these "creative" awards? Theres koreans who have made alot more viable builds than him. I dont really see him having added anything worthwhile to protoss builds
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 09:48:33
January 01 2012 09:47 GMT
#164
On January 01 2012 18:43 ragnorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 18:34 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On January 01 2012 18:21 asdfOu wrote:
Ummm jjajki not for break out performance but leenock is? We always knew leenock was a boss, he just paired with all the titans so he never got to show his full potential.. Jjakji on the other hand...


Agree... well Leenock like you said never showed his "full potential" (assuming he was that good or close to it shortly before GSL November) but you're right jjakji came out of nowhere. Didn't he come straight from Code B into Code A into Code S into winning GSL November? Leenock, however, has been known as a decent Zerg for about the entire year, and has been improving ever since.

Also I don't agree with Thorzain being a break out player. Yeah he's good and he came at TSL3 quite fast but I would have given Jjakji a nomination instead. If Leenock deserved the best break out player nomination, Jjakji deserved it more. Anyways I would say Jjakji > Thorzain, even. In both cases we never really knew the other player. Jjakji has been playing in some korean leagues, but no one (on TL at least) has really given much coverage on him. However, Jjakji won Code S... Thorzain beat MC, sure, but really that's his only impressive win. Fruit Dealer has been playing poorly ever since after GSL Open 1, and none of the other players Thorzain beat were notable. I mean, I really don't think Tyler nor Kas would even be able to stay in Code A consistently, if they were to make it at all. Jjakji jumped into Code S immediately and won the whole thing.

Anyone who seen GSL the entire year would know what keept leenock back was his horrid ZvP(and still is...). Jjakjis only real preformance before GSL was the korean weekly monthly finals #1 which alot of people dint watch so he came as a shock to quite alot of people

Also why do kiwikakki keep getting these "creative" awards? Theres koreans who have made alot more viable builds than him. I dont really see him having added anything worthwhile to protoss builds

Kiwi was one of the guys who brought zealot harass vs Z to the spotlight. His mothership usage is quite unique too. And that's just of the top of my head, he's being creative in a lot more ways.

-


I don't understand the part of idra "Stealing canadians girlfriends". Can someone explain please?
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
January 01 2012 09:51 GMT
#165
On January 01 2012 18:47 dmnum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 18:43 ragnorr wrote:
On January 01 2012 18:34 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On January 01 2012 18:21 asdfOu wrote:
Ummm jjajki not for break out performance but leenock is? We always knew leenock was a boss, he just paired with all the titans so he never got to show his full potential.. Jjakji on the other hand...


Agree... well Leenock like you said never showed his "full potential" (assuming he was that good or close to it shortly before GSL November) but you're right jjakji came out of nowhere. Didn't he come straight from Code B into Code A into Code S into winning GSL November? Leenock, however, has been known as a decent Zerg for about the entire year, and has been improving ever since.

Also I don't agree with Thorzain being a break out player. Yeah he's good and he came at TSL3 quite fast but I would have given Jjakji a nomination instead. If Leenock deserved the best break out player nomination, Jjakji deserved it more. Anyways I would say Jjakji > Thorzain, even. In both cases we never really knew the other player. Jjakji has been playing in some korean leagues, but no one (on TL at least) has really given much coverage on him. However, Jjakji won Code S... Thorzain beat MC, sure, but really that's his only impressive win. Fruit Dealer has been playing poorly ever since after GSL Open 1, and none of the other players Thorzain beat were notable. I mean, I really don't think Tyler nor Kas would even be able to stay in Code A consistently, if they were to make it at all. Jjakji jumped into Code S immediately and won the whole thing.

Anyone who seen GSL the entire year would know what keept leenock back was his horrid ZvP(and still is...). Jjakjis only real preformance before GSL was the korean weekly monthly finals #1 which alot of people dint watch so he came as a shock to quite alot of people

Also why do kiwikakki keep getting these "creative" awards? Theres koreans who have made alot more viable builds than him. I dont really see him having added anything worthwhile to protoss builds

Kiwi was one of the guys who brought zealot harass vs Z to the spotlight. His mothership usage is quite unique too. And that's just of the top of my head, he's being creative in a lot more ways.

-


I don't understand the part of idra "Stealing canadians girlfriends". Can someone explain please?

At one point Idra had a girlfriend from Canada. Not sure what's the deal, behind the "stealing" part.
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DropTester
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia608 Posts
January 01 2012 09:53 GMT
#166
really enjoyed reading this, especially the upcoming players.
Ends up a good year for esports
CakeMaster
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada65 Posts
January 01 2012 09:55 GMT
#167
On January 01 2012 18:32 mijagi182 wrote:
well, imo there should be one more "foreign team of the year" title and it should go to mousesports since they have the best chievements as a team by far :
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mousesports#Team_Achievements,

srsly?

Yeah HuK! Small Canadian Protoss players beat everyone.
EG.HuK Fighting!
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 01 2012 09:57 GMT
#168
Awesome write up and awards, happy new year everyone
Gamma4
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia75 Posts
January 01 2012 09:59 GMT
#169
<3 tl
Just Huking around ;)
frequency
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1901 Posts
January 01 2012 10:02 GMT
#170
Apocalypse is in Quantic, not IM.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 10:08:33
January 01 2012 10:07 GMT
#171
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...
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mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 10:12:16
January 01 2012 10:07 GMT
#172
On January 01 2012 18:55 CakeMaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 18:32 mijagi182 wrote:
well, imo there should be one more "foreign team of the year" title and it should go to mousesports since they have the best chievements as a team by far :
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mousesports#Team_Achievements,

srsly?

Yeah HuK! Small Canadian Protoss players beat everyone.


?? what are you talking about, players beat players all the time.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1587&part=games&vs=1598&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=8&from_day=15&to_year=2011&to_month=12&to_day=29&action=Update

mouzHasu i.e beats Huk more often than Huk beats him...

edit : oh i just noticed where are you from
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Janar
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands96 Posts
January 01 2012 10:08 GMT
#173
Awesome read, thanks for the write-up!

Happy new year everyone :-)
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dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 10:17:02
January 01 2012 10:16 GMT
#174
Sick write-up - that's why i love TL
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THE_JDUB
Profile Joined December 2011
2 Posts
January 01 2012 10:17 GMT
#175
Great read!

I wish that the "I am NaDa" moment from MLG Raleigh was included in the ceremony of the year category though. I thought it was a rather compelling moment. Link:
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 01 2012 10:18 GMT
#176
MVP should have gotten most revolutionary, or maybe Twitch, but besides that everything is perfect. I guess you had to give Stephano something or else the fanboys may have revolted.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 10:22:25
January 01 2012 10:21 GMT
#177
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote:
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...


Both those wins by Huk AND, if we're being honest MLG Orlando as well, belong to Liquid (MLG Orlando happened like a few weeks after the switch, while Huk was still in oGs house, and the only thing EG had to do with that win was basically putting him on a plane to get there). Implying that Huk's wins don't count because EG bought him off later on is ridiculous, especially in a yearly awards kind of thing.

It's not like Mouz won Proleague. All "team leagues" in 2011 were online clan war leagues with low to mediocre prize money (when spread over the entire team). Teams lost because of lack of interest/preparation, or even players to play every game out.

Back to back GSL semifinals alone carry more weight than any of those.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
January 01 2012 10:23 GMT
#178
Did not know about that MMA and DRG story. Holy cow. They could have been on the same team? Now they're rivals? Damn... these guys have the makings of a legendary rivalry.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Lavit2099
Profile Joined November 2011
United States390 Posts
January 01 2012 10:24 GMT
#179
I think the "stealing Canadian girlfriends" is a two fold thing.

HuK is Canadian. Keep that in mind.

Now, go read this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GirlfriendInCanada

Any questions?
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
January 01 2012 10:26 GMT
#180
On January 01 2012 19:21 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote:
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...


Both those wins by Huk AND, if we're being honest MLG Orlando as well, belong to Liquid (MLG Orlando happened like a few weeks after the switch, while Huk was still in oGs house, and the only thing EG had to do with that win was basically putting him on a plane to get there). Implying that Huk's wins don't count because EG bought him off later on is ridiculous, especially in a yearly awards kind of thing.

It's not like Mouz won Proleague. All "team leagues" in 2011 were online clan war leagues with low to mediocre prize money (when spread over the entire team). Teams lost because of lack of interest/preparation, or even players to play every game out.

Back to back GSL semifinals alone carry more weight than any of those.


They belong to the player, actually -- because it's an individual event.

If you want to look at best team, look at team events, otherwise don't count individual titles as a team accomplishment O_O
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 10:35:57
January 01 2012 10:30 GMT
#181
On January 01 2012 19:26 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 19:21 Talin wrote:
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote:
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...


Both those wins by Huk AND, if we're being honest MLG Orlando as well, belong to Liquid (MLG Orlando happened like a few weeks after the switch, while Huk was still in oGs house, and the only thing EG had to do with that win was basically putting him on a plane to get there). Implying that Huk's wins don't count because EG bought him off later on is ridiculous, especially in a yearly awards kind of thing.

It's not like Mouz won Proleague. All "team leagues" in 2011 were online clan war leagues with low to mediocre prize money (when spread over the entire team). Teams lost because of lack of interest/preparation, or even players to play every game out.

Back to back GSL semifinals alone carry more weight than any of those.


They belong to the player, actually -- because it's an individual event.

If you want to look at best team, look at team events, otherwise don't count individual titles as a team accomplishment O_O


Well then every game of Starcraft is an individual event in and of itself, except the 2v2 ones. It's semantics. Starcraft is an individual game, but all the players are where they are based on the practice environment, support and conditions provided for by their teams. In this case "which team has the most successful players overall" is the criteria that applies imo.

Besides, if we did look at teamleagues, it wouldn't be a tie between Mouz and EG as you suggested, it would be Mouz winning by far with Empire and Dignitas being the other two nominees. Moreover, I recall oGsTL winning some matches in GSTL, which is the only real live team league. The original FXO should be a nominee as well for taking down IM.

Until we have a Proleague-like competition in the west, team leagues, as fun as they may be, can not measure up to premier tournaments that all the top players actually practice for and focus on.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 10:35:48
January 01 2012 10:33 GMT
#182
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote:
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...


Huk won dreamhack summer and.homestory cup while he was on.Liquid. The accolades should stay with the team.he won the championship on. It is like saying the six championship Michael Jordan with the Chicago Bulls should be considered the washongton wizard's championships because that was the last team Jordan played on. The championshops stays with the team and doesn't get transferred because the person moved to another organization.

It's been the community consensus for a top 4 (top 8 debatable) in GSL for a foreigner is on par with winning a western championship if not better.

Mouz has only won a single individual championship in 2011, TSL3. Until tuey can demonstrate that they can win multiple major individual championships prwferably LANs, I don't they deserve to be team of the year.
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Blennd
Profile Joined April 2011
United States266 Posts
January 01 2012 10:34 GMT
#183
On January 01 2012 14:56 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne

Do you think its fair to award results to players on teams when they weren't on that team :-) ?


The original comment was about who has the best lineup. Has, not had. It might be debatable who had a better year, but it's not even close who has the best lineup right now.
Overpowered
Profile Joined January 2011
Czech Republic764 Posts
January 01 2012 10:36 GMT
#184
I love that diplomatical tie between TL and EG :D
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Griznah
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway65 Posts
January 01 2012 10:37 GMT
#185
Snute \o/. One error tho, Snute thinks that ZvZ is his worst MU. It's only the early ling/bling in which he is almost insanly good.
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masakenji
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia415 Posts
January 01 2012 10:46 GMT
#186
SKorea cyber bullying is a very serious issue, due to the extreme they go to. From joining an Anti-Fan Club to having a petition stating the person should commit suicide that have up 100,000 unique vote and signatures.

Please refrain from irresponsibly writing about it, or better yet never mention at all.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
January 01 2012 10:58 GMT
#187
Fantastic write up, made for a great read. Amazing year for esports!
OceanLab
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France505 Posts
January 01 2012 11:00 GMT
#188
HuK deserves this so much, such a hard worker and talented player!
Liquid through and through
mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 11:07:46
January 01 2012 11:03 GMT
#189
On January 01 2012 19:33 ptbl wrote:Mouz has only won a single individual championship in 2011, TSL3. Until tuey can demonstrate that they can win multiple major individual championships prwferably LANs, I don't they deserve to be team of the year.


I dont think only 1st places are best indicator (HuK in most cases...), if we talk about teams?
top3 finishes would be better imo. Anyway those team tourneys held players like Hero, Ret, Sheth, Puma, Idra and HuK(2011 Evil Geniuses Masters Cup Season VI) so i dont think teams were not that serious about it...
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Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
January 01 2012 11:05 GMT
#190
At least mouz is a foreign team...
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ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
January 01 2012 11:07 GMT
#191
it's nice to see these actually are 2011 year awards and not last-3-months-of-a-year awards, as they usually tend to be. Still think TL should win the best team though!
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mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
January 01 2012 11:10 GMT
#192
On January 01 2012 20:07 ondik wrote:
it's nice to see these actually are 2011 year awards and not last-3-months-of-a-year awards, as they usually tend to be. Still think TL should win the best team though!


depends... in a best site category i definately agree though!

anyway, great read.
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bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
January 01 2012 11:11 GMT
#193
EG/TL winning foreign team of the year is a bit of a joke, especially TL they did nothing on the team game scene apart from lose :/. Plus half the accolades you attributed to them were won by non foreign members! pfft.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
January 01 2012 11:13 GMT
#194
Brilliant!
Great read from start to finish.

I liked the worst drama winner: NOBODY
But I can't help but feel that we, the fans, won. All the drama certainly made for entertaining lunchtime discussions put it that way. Here's hoping for more of the same next year!
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Jurassic
Profile Joined July 2010
Hungary79 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 11:15:09
January 01 2012 11:14 GMT
#195
Great article, but there should be a "best caster(s)" award too...
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
January 01 2012 11:14 GMT
#196
Awesome read! Thanks guys - just realized I turned one year old as a TL member yesterday, woow!
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
January 01 2012 11:17 GMT
#197
On January 01 2012 20:03 mijagi182 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 19:33 ptbl wrote:Mouz has only won a single individual championship in 2011, TSL3. Until tuey can demonstrate that they can win multiple major individual championships prwferably LANs, I don't they deserve to be team of the year.


I dont think only 1st places are best indicator (HuK in most cases...), if we talk about teams?
top3 finishes would be better imo. Anyway those team tourneys held players like Hero, Ret, Sheth, Puma, Idra and HuK(2011 Evil Geniuses Masters Cup Season VI) so i dont think teams were not that serious about it...

Also people tend to forget that Thorzain played 90% of the TSL under Prae and only transferred to Mouz right before the final. This is not to say Mouz isn't a great team, they obviously are. Just correcting a fact that influences how much of the TSL3 title "belongs" to a certain team flag, since the criteria used by writers included individual events.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 11:24:54
January 01 2012 11:22 GMT
#198
On January 01 2012 20:17 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 20:03 mijagi182 wrote:
On January 01 2012 19:33 ptbl wrote:Mouz has only won a single individual championship in 2011, TSL3. Until tuey can demonstrate that they can win multiple major individual championships prwferably LANs, I don't they deserve to be team of the year.


I dont think only 1st places are best indicator (HuK in most cases...), if we talk about teams?
top3 finishes would be better imo. Anyway those team tourneys held players like Hero, Ret, Sheth, Puma, Idra and HuK(2011 Evil Geniuses Masters Cup Season VI) so i dont think teams were not that serious about it...

Also people tend to forget that Thorzain played 90% of the TSL under Prae and only transferred to Mouz right before the final. This is not to say Mouz isn't a great team, they obviously are. Just correcting a fact that influences how much of the TSL3 title "belongs" to a certain team flag, since the criteria used by writers included individual events.


Actually, TL is taking partial credit for ThorZaIN's TSL3 victory, as he prepared for the final at our office. So the Liquid 2011 Achievement list is more like this:

Assembly Winter 1st
Blizzcon EU 1st
Blizzcon US 2nd
DreamHack Winter 1st
DreamHack Summer 1st
DreamHack Winter Top 4
HomeStoryCup 3 1st
GSL Code S RO4
NASL S2 2nd

+ 3.7% of TSL3 Championship
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
January 01 2012 11:25 GMT
#199
Thanks for the writeup guys! Read it all and enjoyed it all.

Of course, awards are subjective. Except the MVP award for best player of the year, that is pretty goddam obvious. That said I at least agree with most of the awards on some level.
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Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
January 01 2012 11:28 GMT
#200
Fun read Thanks TL!

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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
January 01 2012 11:29 GMT
#201
On January 01 2012 20:11 bmml wrote:
EG/TL winning foreign team of the year is a bit of a joke, especially TL they did nothing on the team game scene apart from lose :/. Plus half the accolades you attributed to them were won by non foreign members! pfft.

It's really hard to differentiate the team with the overall brand.
Overall TL of course deserves the award for all the awesome stuff they did this year, the TSL, fan meets, promotions, Map contest etc...
But I have to agree the team has been disappointing. I love most of the TL players, Ret, Tyler, Jinro especially, but on results you have to say they aren't really cutting it. It would be nice if TL could give some roster spots (and funding) to up and coming players. Run a couple of big "courage" style qualification tournaments to find the best young foreign talent and see if we can't find the next MVP somewhere in foreigner land.
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Yazor
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland30 Posts
January 01 2012 11:33 GMT
#202
well written I loved reading it and for me Catz/Drewbie had the most relaxing user streams
lol
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 11:46:35
January 01 2012 11:44 GMT
#203
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote:
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...



100% agree, without a doubt TL has done more for the SC community than anyone. But when it comes to team dynamics they don't come near to EG's level. Vote should've consisted of Mouz and a few other team. At the end of the day EG takes the top spot easy, they have way too much star power/good placings for any other teams to compare.


Can someone explain or link me to the drama mentions? Particularly the last one.

• Some translator trashes every ESPORT outside of Korean Brood War, 'quits' ESPORTS after getting called out by some guy who casts games and some other guy who cut his hair.

• Some guy makes a post about a girl supposedly manipulating him steal a headset and some other girls who knew this girl show up to defend her.

• Some guy who streams a lot gets DDOS'd by some kid, and he ends up fighting his dad or something; now they're going to be on some TV show or whatever.

• Some woman can't deal with people on the internet saying some mean things about some gold-league girl she hired for her pro-gaming team, so she threatens to take legal action or something.*
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Markam
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland71 Posts
January 01 2012 11:45 GMT
#204
Almost every choice seems fine, except team of the year (international), where you judge only individual wins (of Koreans half of the time). Mouz in team leagues is better than both, only losing to korean teams but they are not TL stars...
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
January 01 2012 11:45 GMT
#205
Thanks for the writeup,just the thing to cure my hangover
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
January 01 2012 11:48 GMT
#206
--- Nuked ---
starstorm
Profile Joined March 2011
64 Posts
January 01 2012 11:51 GMT
#207
I think these are overly influenced by recent events.

I think MMA is by far the best "breakout" performance.
-Strider-
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico1605 Posts
January 01 2012 11:53 GMT
#208
People need to look at the big picture and not just to the last months, the first half of 2011 was dominated by TeamLiquid, they used to be so scary... Then, after Huk's transfer EG started to dominate the scene... (I'm not saying that this was because of Huk), sure each team has had their spotlights in each half of the year ( IdrA, herO).
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Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
January 01 2012 11:54 GMT
#209
Great writeup, thanks a lot
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
January 01 2012 11:58 GMT
#210
Great article, ty TL for a fantastic year! <3
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Tailss
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden233 Posts
January 01 2012 11:58 GMT
#211
Amazing Article! I dont agree with all winners, but still... utterly amazing!
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 12:04:38
January 01 2012 11:59 GMT
#212
Everyone saying that the choices are biased should know that (1) they're really not, perhaps you're biased?, and (2) these were chosen by a group of people, not just one person. I assure you there were a lot of arguments about just about every category.
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-Strider-
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico1605 Posts
January 01 2012 12:01 GMT
#213
Boxer is the most creative player of this year in my opinion...
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JujuXG
Profile Joined September 2011
United States373 Posts
January 01 2012 12:06 GMT
#214
Breakout Performance
MMA
Biggest News Story
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Zvenn3n
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Sweden1196 Posts
January 01 2012 12:06 GMT
#215
Yay! DHW won best european tournament award! I feel so proud to have worked as crew during it =)
Zeroes
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
January 01 2012 12:08 GMT
#216
wow its been an awesome year for starcraft
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integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
January 01 2012 12:09 GMT
#217
What a great year for esports.
syeren
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom8 Posts
January 01 2012 12:10 GMT
#218
Nice write-up for the most part, however HuK isn't 'half'-American, he's Canadian.
mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
January 01 2012 12:19 GMT
#219
On January 01 2012 20:59 tree.hugger wrote:
Everyone saying that the choices are biased should know that (1) they're really not, perhaps you're biased?, and (2) these were chosen by a group of people, not just one person. I assure you there were a lot of arguments about just about every category.


thats ridiculous statement... anyway, the only situation this choices werent much biased is when you have all teams managers/principals/coaches from all over the world voting for players/teams (voting for your own team not allowed ofc)
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Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
January 01 2012 12:19 GMT
#220
Nice writeup, it was a nice year for SC2 with awesome ppl and games, to TL and Sean
Chewie
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark708 Posts
January 01 2012 12:22 GMT
#221
Great list and journalism on a high level, as Ive come to expect from teamliquid.net
sariusly
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden13 Posts
January 01 2012 12:23 GMT
#222
happy new year
Roychez
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands54 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 12:24:57
January 01 2012 12:23 GMT
#223
Only nominating two International Teams is asking to be called biased. Mousesports should definitely be up there. And am I the only one that didn't really notice the TL/EG rivalry. The HuK transfer for example went very smooth. Things like mousesports vs. EG on Twitter were much more fun and rivalry'ish
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
January 01 2012 12:27 GMT
#224
That Idra video... can't... breathe...
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BlondeOna
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia89 Posts
January 01 2012 12:31 GMT
#225
I can almost guarantee EG's acquisition of HuK was 10 times bigger than the Naniwa incident.

This write-up is great but there's obvious points of bias.
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zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
January 01 2012 12:32 GMT
#226
yeah!! stephano fighting in 2012.

p.s. the game of the year was the perfect pick!
keep it deep! @zulison
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
January 01 2012 12:33 GMT
#227
Ofcourse they are biased, only tl staff was allowed to vote...
But it's a very well written article, nonetheless.
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Rebel_
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada94 Posts
January 01 2012 12:37 GMT
#228
Wow this is fantastic. Awesome review. Thank you. Sums up 2011.
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sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
January 01 2012 12:40 GMT
#229
nice writeup thank you

best game of the year: mma vs DRG game 7 blizz cup clearly imo

i think also (P)Feast is a player to watch out for imo
already qualifying for 2 iems in 2012

happy new year to everyone
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EllipZ
Profile Joined May 2011
France378 Posts
January 01 2012 12:50 GMT
#230
i dont agree with all awards but nice review overall.
happy new year TL!<3<3<3
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
January 01 2012 12:55 GMT
#231
Communitysite of the year: Teamliquid?

Thanks for the write-up, thanks for the year and thanks TL.

Happy New Years.
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Hallon
Profile Joined March 2011
64 Posts
January 01 2012 12:56 GMT
#232
• Some guy makes a post about a girl supposedly manipulating him steal a headset and some other girls who knew this girl show up to defend her.

• Some guy who streams a lot gets DDOS'd by some kid, and he ends up fighting his dad or something; now they're going to be on some TV show or whatever.

• Some woman can't deal with people on the internet saying some mean things about some gold-league girl she hired for her pro-gaming team, so she threatens to take legal action or something.

Someone, tell me more!
KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 12:58:32
January 01 2012 12:57 GMT
#233
Hmm.. I don't really understand, why Leenock is nominated as best break-out player of the year, when he already had two RO16 results in 2010 and was widely considered as a very good Zerg (espacially after the game vs Clide on Shakuras).. Whereas for example DRG played his first televised game in May 2011 or Bomber and Jjakji hadn't really any results before..


Edit: But overall a great read, thanks TL! <3
ottersareneat
Profile Joined November 2010
United States55 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 13:01:12
January 01 2012 12:58 GMT
#234
Folks, please don't bash the EG/TL tie for team of the year .

While I do think that a case could be made for EG edging out TL as the singular team of the year (even by just a hair), and while that may be my (admittedly biased) personal opinion, I don't think an objective argument can really be made for either side coming out noticeably on top. When you consider all aspects of what makes a team great, including player support, fan engagement, community presence, business development, and (of course) tournament results, the gap between EG and TL - if it exists at all - is just too minimal to warrant either team winning the award outright.

Both EG and TL have our respective strengths and weaknesses, but overall, I don't think there are any international teams doing a better job of running their StarCraft divisions than EG and TL. And I want to both thank and applaud Victor, James, Ken, and everyone over at TL for a job very, very well done. I mean this very sincerely. This is not meant to take credit away from any of the other very high-level international teams, of course; it's just that, as far as StarCraft goes, I think EG and TL are at the forefront of international teams.

I'm very happy to share both the rivalry and team of the year awards with TL. Speaking comfortably for Scott, Colin, Cody, and everyone over at EG, we have so much respect for what TL does for its players and the community, and we're very excited to move into 2012 with such an intense and storied rivalry intact.

Watching DreamHack Winter was a very interesting experience for me. On the one hand, I obviously want EG to win every tournament we enter (especially that particular event, which was so well-produced and carried such prestige), and as such, I was *absolutely* heartbroken when HerO defeated PuMa in game seven to take the event. The loss haunted me for the better part of a week, causing many fingertips-to-the-forehead head shakes and long-inhale-short-exhale sighs. Yet, at the same time, I found the logical part of my brain continually saying, "This is good for the sport. Liquid was overdue for a big win."

I think that this anecdote is aptly representative of the dilemma and conflict you constantly face as a team owner. On the one hand, you want the sport to grow and flourish, and you understand that in the big picture of things, in order for that to happen, it's necessary for multiple teams to do well, and for intense rivalries to develop. Yet at the same time, you genuinely want your players and your team to win every, single map they play, and if you're not doing everything it takes to win (within the rules), you're doing yourself, your players, and your fans an unacceptable disservice.

Somehow, these two desires, while in theory rather mutually exclusive, in practice coexist in every team owner's mind on a daily basis. And so, while on the one hand I hope that an EG player wins every single tournament in 2012, on the other hand I know that it's good for the sport if Liquid (and other teams) get their share of victories as well. So, Victor, and everyone at TL, I truly wish all of you good luck going into the new year.

Just, y'know, not too much luck, please .

-Alex
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bLooD.
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany470 Posts
January 01 2012 13:00 GMT
#235
nice writeup. agree with most of it but i think most creative player should have gone to hero. his warpprism tactics are fantastic. :D
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
January 01 2012 13:06 GMT
#236
its kinda ridiculous how they even came to think about team liquid as team of the year
i remember them not winning anything as a team and getting crushed by most other teams
now that they bought themselves two koreans they should kinda be up there but they keep failing in teamleagues even getting all-killed in a Bo9 format by SaSe
its kinda ridiculous that they even consider making a team of the year award on the website that stands for a team so that itself is kinda cute but the fact that they even make their bias so obvious is just kinda ridiculous
i mean EG and mouz are also not even tied up in results in team leagues and since thats obviously where teams should be measured its just .... (and even if you add 1v1 tournaments to that mouz and EG should still be way far ahead of liquid with EG being the more achieved team in 1v1 tournaments and mouz being better in team competitions)


but yeah what would you expect
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 01 2012 13:29 GMT
#237
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote:
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...


Oh my, please get more worked up over this. Also perhaps try to have a level head while posting?

You completely look past most of liquid's achievements and immediately jump to some online team leagues? Really? There seems to be more bias in your post than there is in the entire OP.

Breathe, think, do some research, then maybe post if you are still upset.
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sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 13:39:41
January 01 2012 13:38 GMT
#238
On January 01 2012 19:33 ptbl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote:
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...


Huk won dreamhack summer and.homestory cup while he was on.Liquid. The accolades should stay with the team.he won the championship on. It is like saying the six championship Michael Jordan with the Chicago Bulls should be considered the washongton wizard's championships because that was the last team Jordan played on. The championshops stays with the team and doesn't get transferred because the person moved to another organization.

It's been the community consensus for a top 4 (top 8 debatable) in GSL for a foreigner is on par with winning a western championship if not better.

Mouz has only won a single individual championship in 2011, TSL3. Until tuey can demonstrate that they can win multiple major individual championships prwferably LANs, I don't they deserve to be team of the year.

no your point is wrong
basketball is a team sports but sc2 is 1v1 so all achievements belong to the player not to the team because its not like the team helped him to win the championship (like if he had a road of haypro, tlo, ret, sheth, and they all lost on purpose so he won that way that would be a team achievement but obviously there will never be something like that in sc2 so 1v1 events have nothing to do with the team a player is on)
the achievements display the strenght of a player which helps the strenght of the lineup which helps the current team but not a team he has been on some months ago


also he doesnt say that mouz should be the top team but he says that it is between EG and mouz and liquid is not up there

(also mouz has 6 top 4 finishes in major tournaments while TL only has 5 eventhough they have a much bigger lineup and EG has 7 with almost double the amount of players so...)

On January 01 2012 22:29 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote:
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...


Oh my, please get more worked up over this. Also perhaps try to have a level head while posting?

You completely look past most of liquid's achievements and immediately jump to some online team leagues? Really? There seems to be more bias in your post than there is in the entire OP.

Breathe, think, do some research, then maybe post if you are still upset.

better do some research yourself bro
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
January 01 2012 13:38 GMT
#239
Nice read hungover like this!
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
January 01 2012 13:39 GMT
#240
Great write up as always.

Really looking forward to 2012 and what it will bring in terms of great games.
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JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
January 01 2012 13:39 GMT
#241
nice writeup!
i gotta agree with this tweet by mousesports though
@mousesports wrote:
Sorry @TeamLiquidNet but @EvilGeniuses is MILES ahead of you in your 2011 team comparison. And that beeing said by us. LOL
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
January 01 2012 13:40 GMT
#242
Great write-up, it was a pleasure to read it. Happy new year !
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LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
January 01 2012 13:40 GMT
#243
I'm shivering. Amazing read! <333
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
January 01 2012 13:42 GMT
#244
TEAM OF THE YEAR (INTERNATIONAL)

Wuuuut, I don't agree with this at all. There were a lot of team leagues, and yes I know TL didn't participate in some of them, but if your taking those results at all then Mouz should at least be nominated, if not win the whole thing, they won back to back EG team leagues beating EG and Liquid multiple times. This is an absolutely gigantic oversight that I'm not used to seeing on TL front page articles, surprised they aren't even a little bit salty. (granted a TL news award doesn't actually mean anything so it's not that surprising)
Happystreet
Profile Joined January 2011
550 Posts
January 01 2012 13:44 GMT
#245
Amazing write-up keep up the good work!
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Cyberus
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany148 Posts
January 01 2012 13:48 GMT
#246
Team liquid being tied with EG for best team is a joke. Also mousesports should be nominated
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 01 2012 13:50 GMT
#247
Disagree with a lot of the article but it's well written and an enjoyable read. I understand the voting took place by more than one person but mousesports should really get recognition. If you want to weight individual performances more that's fine but they've completely outlasted every other foreigner team, even some Korean teams, and dominated every team league, and MaNa is 2nd in almost as many leagues as MKP ><.

Also it is REALLY discrediting, (and probably just a troll) to put PuMa's TvP match history in a segment relating to 1/1/1, people are just going to read that and blindly agree. It just puts fuel on the fire. Polt used the 1/1/1, he fucking created the 1/1/1 back in release, and has a far better winrate TvP, yet he doesn't get criticism. Idk maybe you just struck a nerve but it just pisses me off because PuMa's ghost control and understanding of the matchup was at one point way ahead of any other player in the world.

And you have mech TvT but no 6 gate? Doesn't MC get any love for winning some of them GSLs?

And KiWi for most creative player , among others >.>
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
January 01 2012 13:53 GMT
#248
On January 01 2012 17:25 SovietHammer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne


As much as I root for TL and dislike EG, I agree that EG is clearly the top foreign team.

For reference you can check here: Liquipedia2
Hydrox911
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom261 Posts
January 01 2012 13:57 GMT
#249
Great article TL and an amazing way to start the year. Don't agree with parts of it and do agree that mousesport should get a larger recognition to being considered for team of the year.

Also at times when you consider a team of the year, are you considering the most single persons achievements or as a team. Like imagine if nobody had won anything on IM except for MVP who had won 5 GSL's, I do not think that should be considered a team of the year. Slayers is a team where literally the entire team is hugely talented and in my regard wins team of the year.



No, Your Quote.
zanmat0
Profile Joined December 2010
188 Posts
January 01 2012 13:58 GMT
#250
Pretty biased imo, but this is TL, so it should be expected I suppose.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
January 01 2012 13:58 GMT
#251
On January 01 2012 22:53 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 17:25 SovietHammer wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne


As much as I root for TL and dislike EG, I agree that EG is clearly the top foreign team.

For reference you can check here: Liquipedia2

Oh wow I didn't even notice that it actually is literally a tie haha
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
January 01 2012 14:00 GMT
#252
On January 01 2012 22:53 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 17:25 SovietHammer wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne


As much as I root for TL and dislike EG, I agree that EG is clearly the top foreign team.

For reference you can check here: Liquipedia2


But see, that's Liquipedia so it clearly must be SUPER BIASED. God forbid TL gets nominated or an award for anything on teamliquid.net. -_-
surfinbird1
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany999 Posts
January 01 2012 14:00 GMT
#253
Great write-up. But I have two questions about that drama thing: Which caster called Milkis out? And what was that story with the headset stealing?
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
January 01 2012 14:02 GMT
#254
LOL, very well written guys.
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
January 01 2012 14:06 GMT
#255
On January 01 2012 23:00 surfinbird1 wrote:
Great write-up. But I have two questions about that drama thing: Which caster called Milkis out? And what was that story with the headset stealing?


Wheat and Slasher iirc.

headset stealing was an epic blog.
RoyAlex
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway420 Posts
January 01 2012 14:09 GMT
#256
Hard to believe there is only 6 months between MLG Columbus and GSL November. The game has grown so much!
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
January 01 2012 14:10 GMT
#257
Can someone explain the woman threatening to sue over slander. Link me please.
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Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
January 01 2012 14:10 GMT
#258
Amazing read! I just love this community, this site and the articles. Even if i don't agree with certain opinions or polls here i love TL and Esports <3
I think you should haven mentioned the shows around sc2. Like all the onemoregame stuff or sotg
And i do have to agree that it is kinda weird that mouz is not even mentioned for the best team.
Escape
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada306 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 14:16:51
January 01 2012 14:16 GMT
#259
very good decisions. I agree with almost all of them.

We should have a Day[9] Caster of the Year award as well.

*edit: grammar.
Warsfear
Profile Joined September 2011
15 Posts
January 01 2012 14:17 GMT
#260
Completely wrong. Breakout Performance: by far Leenock. Best Game: drg vs mma is highly over-hyped and actually a poorly played game for those who understand the match-up; much more interesting would be jjakji leenock or mvp leenock regarding tvz. Best Event: how columbus could be chosen over providence is truly remarkable.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 01 2012 14:21 GMT
#261
On January 01 2012 23:00 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 22:53 nimdil wrote:
On January 01 2012 17:25 SovietHammer wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne


As much as I root for TL and dislike EG, I agree that EG is clearly the top foreign team.

For reference you can check here: Liquipedia2


But see, that's Liquipedia so it clearly must be SUPER BIASED. God forbid TL gets nominated or an award for anything on teamliquid.net. -_-


Dude, 1/3 of both teams achievements are from last year on that page and Mouz is still beating both of them...?
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 01 2012 14:33 GMT
#262
On January 01 2012 22:38 sVnteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 19:33 ptbl wrote:
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote:
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...


Huk won dreamhack summer and.homestory cup while he was on.Liquid. The accolades should stay with the team.he won the championship on. It is like saying the six championship Michael Jordan with the Chicago Bulls should be considered the washongton wizard's championships because that was the last team Jordan played on. The championshops stays with the team and doesn't get transferred because the person moved to another organization.

It's been the community consensus for a top 4 (top 8 debatable) in GSL for a foreigner is on par with winning a western championship if not better.

Mouz has only won a single individual championship in 2011, TSL3. Until tuey can demonstrate that they can win multiple major individual championships prwferably LANs, I don't they deserve to be team of the year.

no your point is wrong
basketball is a team sports but sc2 is 1v1 so all achievements belong to the player not to the team because its not like the team helped him to win the championship (like if he had a road of haypro, tlo, ret, sheth, and they all lost on purpose so he won that way that would be a team achievement but obviously there will never be something like that in sc2 so 1v1 events have nothing to do with the team a player is on)
the achievements display the strenght of a player which helps the strenght of the lineup which helps the current team but not a team he has been on some months ago


also he doesnt say that mouz should be the top team but he says that it is between EG and mouz and liquid is not up there

(also mouz has 6 top 4 finishes in major tournaments while TL only has 5 eventhough they have a much bigger lineup and EG has 7 with almost double the amount of players so...)

Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 22:29 Hall0wed wrote:
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote:
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...


Oh my, please get more worked up over this. Also perhaps try to have a level head while posting?

You completely look past most of liquid's achievements and immediately jump to some online team leagues? Really? There seems to be more bias in your post than there is in the entire OP.

Breathe, think, do some research, then maybe post if you are still upset.

better do some research yourself bro


Can't read eh? Count up those individual league golds that EG, TL, and Mouz got in 2011, then come back with your findings. Thank you.
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PopcornColonel
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
January 01 2012 14:33 GMT
#263
This was awesome. Thank you.

P.S. Twitch >> own3d
Zerg delenda est.
Baptista
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Poland141 Posts
January 01 2012 14:34 GMT
#264
"We're fast approaching the point where we should rename this award the "Day9 Award for Best Non-Player Personality," -so true
Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
January 01 2012 14:42 GMT
#265
On January 01 2012 22:06 sVnteen wrote:
its kinda ridiculous how they even came to think about team liquid as team of the year
i remember them not winning anything as a team and getting crushed by most other teams
now that they bought themselves two koreans they should kinda be up there but they keep failing in teamleagues even getting all-killed in a Bo9 format by SaSe
its kinda ridiculous that they even consider making a team of the year award on the website that stands for a team so that itself is kinda cute but the fact that they even make their bias so obvious is just kinda ridiculous
i mean EG and mouz are also not even tied up in results in team leagues and since thats obviously where teams should be measured its just .... (and even if you add 1v1 tournaments to that mouz and EG should still be way far ahead of liquid with EG being the more achieved team in 1v1 tournaments and mouz being better in team competitions)


but yeah what would you expect


team of the year vs sase 0-1
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 14:51:55
January 01 2012 14:46 GMT
#266
Awesome write up, what a great year its been.
EDIT: While I'm not as angry as some people in this, thread, if you're gonna cop out with the team of year awards, you might as well put mouz in as well. Only slightly behind on individual leagues, but MILES and MILES and MILES ahead as a team.
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rockslave
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Brazil318 Posts
January 01 2012 14:49 GMT
#267
Niiiice!
What qxc said.
Infernux
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Norway84 Posts
January 01 2012 14:49 GMT
#268
I would describe the teams like this. Team Liquid is like Manchester United (it's a soccer team, fyi), they have a flow within the team and they feel... complete, but also welcoming to new players. They are used to winning and have some great players, but also a lot of talent.

EG would be more like Manchester City (please mind that EG has won more than City compared to United), a bought team (also, this is a bit far out, but with HuK, JYP and PuMa, come on...) with less flow and feel between the players, more like a place to get rich and get their best shots at being the best, for all the wrong reasons (I'm still a little upset about the HuK thing, mind you).

Now, mind you, this is how I feel. In my 1.5 years in the SC2 esport scene (as a watcher and low league player) TL is the team I have felt the most connected too, because of their ethics, standards and how the players present themselves, in interviews, on lans and in general when meeting their fans.

Also, WhiteRa for most creative player. Boom.
I <3 myself.
Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
January 01 2012 14:51 GMT
#269
On January 01 2012 23:49 Infernux wrote:
I would describe the teams like this. Team Liquid is like Manchester United (it's a soccer team, fyi), they have a flow within the team and they feel... complete, but also welcoming to new players. They are used to winning and have some great players, but also a lot of talent.

EG would be more like Manchester City (please mind that EG has won more than City compared to United), a bought team (also, this is a bit far out, but with HuK, JYP and PuMa, come on...) with less flow and feel between the players, more like a place to get rich and get their best shots at being the best, for all the wrong reasons (I'm still a little upset about the HuK thing, mind you).

Now, mind you, this is how I feel. In my 1.5 years in the SC2 esport scene (as a watcher and low league player) TL is the team I have felt the most connected too, because of their ethics, standards and how the players present themselves, in interviews, on lans and in general when meeting their fans.

Also, WhiteRa for most creative player. Boom.


how sad for players wanting money and traveling to events! you should be very angry with huk! you certainly are a good huk fan.
Progamer
Childplay
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada263 Posts
January 01 2012 14:52 GMT
#270
wow, great article!
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
January 01 2012 14:53 GMT
#271
On January 01 2012 22:50 Badfatpanda wrote:
Polt used the 1/1/1, he fucking created the 1/1/1 back in release, and has a far better winrate TvP, yet he doesn't get criticism.


Funny how someone creates a new strategy, use it to have a better winrate TvP than everyone else and should be "criticized" for it.
SEKO SEKO SEKO
pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
January 01 2012 14:56 GMT
#272
On January 01 2012 23:49 Infernux wrote:
I would describe the teams like this. Team Liquid is like Manchester United (it's a soccer team, fyi), they have a flow within the team and they feel... complete, but also welcoming to new players. They are used to winning and have some great players, but also a lot of talent.

EG would be more like Manchester City (please mind that EG has won more than City compared to United), a bought team (also, this is a bit far out, but with HuK, JYP and PuMa, come on...) with less flow and feel between the players, more like a place to get rich and get their best shots at being the best, for all the wrong reasons (I'm still a little upset about the HuK thing, mind you).

Now, mind you, this is how I feel. In my 1.5 years in the SC2 esport scene (as a watcher and low league player) TL is the team I have felt the most connected too, because of their ethics, standards and how the players present themselves, in interviews, on lans and in general when meeting their fans.

Also, WhiteRa for most creative player. Boom.


Why did you just compare a football team to a Starcraft team?
It dosen't make any sense to compare the two.
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
January 01 2012 14:56 GMT
#273
Great work as usual, 2012 will be exciting for sure.
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
January 01 2012 14:57 GMT
#274
There should have been a sportsmenship award

Anyways, another great write up although there were a few things i didn't agree with (TL team of the year is one of them, didn't we have a talk about bias). And whatever happened to "destiny cloudfist?"
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
January 01 2012 14:59 GMT
#275
On January 01 2012 23:46 MCDayC wrote:
Awesome write up, what a great year its been.
EDIT: While I'm not as angry as some people in this, thread, if you're gonna cop out with the team of year awards, you might as well put mouz in as well. Only slightly behind on individual leagues, but MILES and MILES and MILES ahead as a team.


Mouz only has the one gold in an individual league(TSL3) for this year don't they? So you have it back to front I'd say.
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
January 01 2012 15:02 GMT
#276
Sweet mother of Kerrigan, what a fantastic write up. 2011 really was a good year for SC2 in general, lots of tournaments, great improvements over the year, and many rise and fall situations with players.

My only criticism is for the foreign player of the year, it should have been Stephano!
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
January 01 2012 15:05 GMT
#277
On January 01 2012 23:59 Mycl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 23:46 MCDayC wrote:
Awesome write up, what a great year its been.
EDIT: While I'm not as angry as some people in this, thread, if you're gonna cop out with the team of year awards, you might as well put mouz in as well. Only slightly behind on individual leagues, but MILES and MILES and MILES ahead as a team.


Mouz only has the one gold in an individual league(TSL3) for this year don't they? So you have it back to front I'd say.

True, but a fuckton of 2nd and 3rd and 4ths. As I said, slightly less successful individually. But as a team, they are far and away better than TL or EG, and better than many Korean teams (in clan wars) despite what their small lineup would suggest.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
January 01 2012 15:07 GMT
#278
wow, gatored wasn't one to watch. that's a shock. great article though.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
January 01 2012 15:11 GMT
#279
Definitely had some disagreements over some of the categories, because I felt there was some bias for foreigners, but other than that, was a well-written read that really described 2011 for me.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 15:14:24
January 01 2012 15:12 GMT
#280
Even the TL panel cannot avoid favoritism. I agree on quite a few of them. No need to explain those, but I beg to differ on the following based off their nominees.

- Breakout performance: Stefano. He's won quite a few tournaments. The only problem I have with calling him a breakout performer is the fact that many people have known how good this guy can be. Like I said, he's been winning a lot and winning often. T-zain's accomplishments within 2011 steams from his TSL victory. A great accomplishment especially considering what happened during that tournament, but he's been fairly quiet and selects the tournaments he competes in wisely. A good strategy, but he doesn't get as much exposure.

- Biggest News Stories. It's funny because I just read KeSPA's take on the biggest news stories the other day. I realize this is TL's SC2 awards, but it feels like something is missing. There is only one story that has enough bang by the writing panel and that is EG's pickup of HuK when you consider Liquid`s history of players, but the tides of changed in this day and age. No one is truly safe when money is involved. Sorry, nothing else really comes close to that. Maybe the EG and TSL's shenanigans, but nothing more revolutionary. Oh wait, there are more I could think of. How about Bar Craft taking off and Sundance going all out with MLG? There's been several news stories on those two alone and many of which well written. If anything I would give the award to the fact that exposure is starting to pick up more and more in the west with Sundance and Bar Craft Organizers leading the charge.

To summarize, if we only look at the writers nominations. It would have to go to EG picking up HuK. No if's or but's about it. I know I was shocked. Hell, I even said there's no way in hell that would happen and it did.

The only way I could see people selecting what Nani did is the fact that it is still fresh in people's minds because it just happened. That's the only reason. Honestly, it wasn't really a big deal until the Koreans chose to make it one. A difference in culture.

- Most entertaining player. Where the heck are the nominees on this one? I guess I could make a case for the rivalries, best international team, best Korean team and the list goes on. So the writers chose to give it to IdrA? What? If that's the case I would re-name the award: GG? or What the f*** just happened? (to keep it PG, Whhhhaaaaattttt?)

I'm sorry, but I don't see how IdrA's play is exciting at all. He's a very boring player on paper and always has been that way. The only memories we have of him are how he's going to lose and his character. Not necessarily his play style. The only series that wasn't a complete wash this year was when he played BoxeR at MLG. BoxeR crawled back to tie it and IdrA's back was against the fence going into the seventh set yet he found a way to win.

To generalize IdrA either crushes you or he loses. The only entertainment we get from it is the how. There are tons of more players that are more entertaining than IdrA. More often than not, IdrA doesn't even let the game get entertaining because he will bow out at almost any disadvantage.

- Most revolutionary. No Stephano didn't come out of nowhere. He had a lot of results in weekly cups and other online tournaments. As many players say. You really have to prove yourself at LANs. He did. The guy had the skill early on. I certainly saw it and apparently nerves aren't a factor for him. Out of the other candidates I would have given it to the Home Story Cup. Take's organization of this tournament and the commentary they had on hand with the other pro's was some of the best commentary we've had to date. In fact it was so good, other tournaments decided to have pro players commentate matches with the personalities at the same time. Even the big ones. There's a good reason why the Pro's and fans have all the best to say about that tournament. It's a great atmosphere and everyone gets to chill. Thus I give the nod to Home Story.

- Rivalry of the year: Both teams have outspoken personalities and always seem to be going at it because PuMa and HerO compete in almost every western tournament and you have such sideshows/pod casts like SotG and other crap. Anyway, when it comes to journalism I don't see how you can turn your cheek to all the bullshit surrounding these two teams because of the exposure they create. Something that SlayerS, IM and Startale have to pickup in that department.

- Team of the year (International): Like I mentioned earlier, I'm not happy with only naming two candidates when you list several for the other awards. Where's Mouz or Dignitas to name two? Dignitas had a great start at the beginning, but little finish to show for it. Mouz on the other hand have been very dominant in the quote end quote international team leagues. Hell, even FXO have been getting great exposure for themselves too including the all-kill by qxc when he was there and the fact they were the only pure international team competing in the GSL before their takeover.

- Player of the year (International): It truly could have gone to anyone of them. Absolutely torn on that subject. In terms of consistency. Stephano might be a little more consistent than HuK and Nani. If we only go with the here and now, I'd probably side with Naniwa.
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
January 01 2012 15:21 GMT
#281
Great read but there's something mindboggling me. Why there's no mention for qxc all-kill on ceremoni of the yarnor mouz got nominated for team of the year.
fcgog
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 15:24:01
January 01 2012 15:22 GMT
#282
why is snute on the ones to watch compared to titan he's nothing and sound is definitely the Korea to watch
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
January 01 2012 15:29 GMT
#283
good read
banelings
knL
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany400 Posts
January 01 2012 15:32 GMT
#284
great writeup!

But as much as i love you TL - mouz is the Team of the year
EG.Thorzain
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden164 Posts
January 01 2012 15:33 GMT
#285
mouz doesn't have any korean mercenaries!!
Thanks to Roberi for taking care of my TL fanclub! Also a thanks to all my fans in and outside my TL fanclub :). Fighting~~!
Noispaxen
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland150 Posts
January 01 2012 15:33 GMT
#286
Good read, but the TL-EG tie made me read it a few times to make sure I'm reading correctly
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Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
January 01 2012 15:36 GMT
#287
On January 02 2012 00:33 Thorzain wrote:
mouz doesn't have any korean mercenaries!!


Hard to troll harder :D
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
January 01 2012 15:40 GMT
#288
Beautiful! Happy New Year TL!
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
January 01 2012 15:43 GMT
#289
On January 02 2012 00:36 Serimek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 00:33 Thorzain wrote:
mouz doesn't have any korean mercenaries!!


Hard to troll harder :D


On January 01 2012 23:42 Naniwa wrote:
team of the year vs sase 0-1


i think NaNis post was close
oh in the sun sun having fun
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
January 01 2012 15:44 GMT
#290
Epic write-up - thx TL <3
Comfort from bottles, cheers from beers the guitars are our weapons and we know how to kill!
Feito
Profile Joined February 2011
United States65 Posts
January 01 2012 15:46 GMT
#291
This is an excellent and coherent write-up. Thanks, I believe I agree to all of these awards!
"To be forgotten is worse than death."
Bertolt
Profile Joined March 2011
United States75 Posts
January 01 2012 15:46 GMT
#292
Thank you thank you thank you for recognizing that Columbus was actually THE mlg to watch this year. Hard to top the ultimate story line of the Korean invasion. Columbus has not been talked about enough as one or the best mlg's of the year.
Just because you are a character, dosnt mean you have character
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 15:47:24
January 01 2012 15:46 GMT
#293
On January 01 2012 14:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:
ahhh will we have BW edition?


your wish is my command
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
ChatimentZ
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium227 Posts
January 01 2012 15:48 GMT
#294
Perfect.
sup son
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 15:59:49
January 01 2012 15:50 GMT
#295
Thanks for the nice article, what a good way to start 2012. I'm rewatching ThorZaINs TSL games right now and I could see him at least being worthy of a nomination for 'Most Creative Player', even though I agree with Kiwikaki winning I'm watching ThorZaIN do things that Korean Terrans have only started trying recently (sickest 1/1/1 against MC in game 5, I wonder what would have happened if he'd actually pushed off 1 base with that).

On January 01 2012 18:34 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 18:21 asdfOu wrote:
Ummm jjajki not for break out performance but leenock is? We always knew leenock was a boss, he just paired with all the titans so he never got to show his full potential.. Jjakji on the other hand...


Agree... well Leenock like you said never showed his "full potential" (assuming he was that good or close to it shortly before GSL November) but you're right jjakji came out of nowhere. Didn't he come straight from Code B into Code A into Code S into winning GSL November? Leenock, however, has been known as a decent Zerg for about the entire year, and has been improving ever since.

Also I don't agree with Thorzain being a break out player. Yeah he's good and he came at TSL3 quite fast but I would have given Jjakji a nomination instead. If Leenock deserved the best break out player nomination, Jjakji deserved it more. Anyways I would say Jjakji > Thorzain, even. In both cases we never really knew the other player. Jjakji has been playing in some korean leagues, but no one (on TL at least) has really given much coverage on him. However, Jjakji won Code S... Thorzain beat MC, sure, but really that's his only impressive win. Fruit Dealer has been playing poorly ever since after GSL Open 1, and none of the other players Thorzain beat were notable. I mean, I really don't think Tyler nor Kas would even be able to stay in Code A consistently, if they were to make it at all. Jjakji jumped into Code S immediately and won the whole thing.

Breakout performance is an award where the story is as important as the actual opponents and, and ThorZaINs underdog in every match storyline is a lot better than Jjakji's, simply because we don't really know anything about him except he's really fucking good at playing Terran. Don't forget also that he played MC when he was still, without a shadow of a doubt, the best Protoss in the world.

On January 01 2012 20:44 GunPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote:
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...



100% agree, without a doubt TL has done more for the SC community than anyone. But when it comes to team dynamics they don't come near to EG's level. Vote should've consisted of Mouz and a few other team. At the end of the day EG takes the top spot easy, they have way too much star power/good placings for any other teams to compare.


Can someone explain or link me to the drama mentions? Particularly the last one.

Show nested quote +
• Some translator trashes every ESPORT outside of Korean Brood War, 'quits' ESPORTS after getting called out by some guy who casts games and some other guy who cut his hair.

• Some guy makes a post about a girl supposedly manipulating him steal a headset and some other girls who knew this girl show up to defend her.

• Some guy who streams a lot gets DDOS'd by some kid, and he ends up fighting his dad or something; now they're going to be on some TV show or whatever.

• Some woman can't deal with people on the internet saying some mean things about some gold-league girl she hired for her pro-gaming team, so she threatens to take legal action or something.*


• Milkis drama.

• I don't actually know.

• The player is Destiny.

• The woman is SlayerSJessica, the girl is SlayerSEve.

This has been TLMZ bringing you your daily dose of ESPORTS drama (I'm so ashamed that I can even remember these).

edit: Better add "Team Liquid awards self 'Best Team Award'" to the nominations for 'Best Drama' for the 2012 awards.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
January 01 2012 15:52 GMT
#296
On January 02 2012 00:43 mijagi182 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 00:36 Serimek wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:33 Thorzain wrote:
mouz doesn't have any korean mercenaries!!


Hard to troll harder :D


Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 23:42 Naniwa wrote:
team of the year vs sase 0-1


i think NaNis post was close

Both pretty epic.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Ikuu
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom97 Posts
January 01 2012 15:56 GMT
#297
I for one am shocked that TL gave themselves some awards.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
January 01 2012 15:59 GMT
#298
On January 02 2012 00:33 Thorzain wrote:
mouz doesn't have any korean mercenaries!!

(Z)biGs is such a white dude....
Ok. Jokes aside at least he isn't a pure korean (and by not being pure i mean that he got swiss nationality)

And never forget that mouz - EG rivalry is ten times more heated than the so called TL-EG rivalry (which basically doesn't exist).

Back to the topic of the TL Awards. It was funny that before the edits Apocalypse was on team IM ^^
Wrath586EU
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark27 Posts
January 01 2012 16:01 GMT
#299
lovely read, thanks alot!
Team IM has no equal
fjjotizz
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden153 Posts
January 01 2012 16:03 GMT
#300
I hope this will actually evolve to something like the oscars in the movie scene
"I'm a creepy guy. Tasteless, if it would make my units move faster, I would peek in everyones window in Seoul."
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
January 01 2012 16:06 GMT
#301
I am sorry but I find this article to be somewhat lackluster.

If you are gonna sum up all of 2011 in a single post you gotta make sure that everything is covered incl. the nominees and tbh I totally disagree with a lot of the choices for both winners and nominees. the obvious example, as mentioned by others, is Mousesports missing in the "best team award" section. Your reasoning for not including them is just invalid imo.

I also believe there are far better and "unknown" players out there to watch for in 2012 than Titan and especially Snute.
BiGs and Bling being some of them and I have high hopes for 13abyknight as well though I may be biased in that choice.

However I do agree with Daybreak winning the best map award though, again, I would like to see more maps for the nomination. Shattered Temple comes to mind.
xXxSepirothxXx
Profile Joined November 2011
68 Posts
January 01 2012 16:12 GMT
#302
An addition to the players to watch.. Dignitas.Bling.
monXikk
Profile Joined May 2010
Poland742 Posts
January 01 2012 16:16 GMT
#303
On January 02 2012 00:59 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 00:33 Thorzain wrote:
mouz doesn't have any korean mercenaries!!

(Z)biGs is such a white dude....
Ok. Jokes aside at least he isn't a pure korean (and by not being pure i mean that he got swiss nationality)

And never forget that mouz - EG rivalry is ten times more heated than the so called TL-EG rivalry (which basically doesn't exist).

Back to the topic of the TL Awards. It was funny that before the edits Apocalypse was on team IM ^^

What mouz - EG rivalry? That tweeter one? You cant be serious...
yet another IdrA's #1 fan
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 16:21:42
January 01 2012 16:18 GMT
#304
sry double post..
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
January 01 2012 16:18 GMT
#305
On January 02 2012 01:06 DaCruise wrote:
I am sorry but I find this article to be somewhat lackluster.

If you are gonna sum up all of 2011 in a single post you gotta make sure that everything is covered incl. the nominees and tbh I totally disagree with a lot of the choices for both winners and nominees. the obvious example, as mentioned by others, is Mousesports missing in the "best team award" section. Your reasoning for not including them is just invalid imo.

I also believe there are far better and "unknown" players out there to watch for in 2012 than Titan and especially Snute.
BiGs and Bling being some of them and I have high hopes for 13abyknight as well though I may be biased in that choice.

However I do agree with Daybreak winning the best map award though, again, I would like to see more maps for the nomination. Shattered Temple comes to mind.


What a way to criticised the tl.net writing staff , If you never tried writing all this stuff by your self , you won't know how much stuff you have to dig up to have a close to 99% coverage of 2011 .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
January 01 2012 16:20 GMT
#306
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 02 2012 00:12 StarStruck wrote:
Even the TL panel cannot avoid favoritism. I agree on quite a few of them. No need to explain those, but I beg to differ on the following based off their nominees.

- Breakout performance: Stefano. He's won quite a few tournaments. The only problem I have with calling him a breakout performer is the fact that many people have known how good this guy can be. Like I said, he's been winning a lot and winning often. T-zain's accomplishments within 2011 steams from his TSL victory. A great accomplishment especially considering what happened during that tournament, but he's been fairly quiet and selects the tournaments he competes in wisely. A good strategy, but he doesn't get as much exposure.

- Biggest News Stories. It's funny because I just read KeSPA's take on the biggest news stories the other day. I realize this is TL's SC2 awards, but it feels like something is missing. There is only one story that has enough bang by the writing panel and that is EG's pickup of HuK when you consider Liquid`s history of players, but the tides of changed in this day and age. No one is truly safe when money is involved. Sorry, nothing else really comes close to that. Maybe the EG and TSL's shenanigans, but nothing more revolutionary. Oh wait, there are more I could think of. How about Bar Craft taking off and Sundance going all out with MLG? There's been several news stories on those two alone and many of which well written. If anything I would give the award to the fact that exposure is starting to pick up more and more in the west with Sundance and Bar Craft Organizers leading the charge.

To summarize, if we only look at the writers nominations. It would have to go to EG picking up HuK. No if's or but's about it. I know I was shocked. Hell, I even said there's no way in hell that would happen and it did.

The only way I could see people selecting what Nani did is the fact that it is still fresh in people's minds because it just happened. That's the only reason. Honestly, it wasn't really a big deal until the Koreans chose to make it one. A difference in culture.

- Most entertaining player. Where the heck are the nominees on this one? I guess I could make a case for the rivalries, best international team, best Korean team and the list goes on. So the writers chose to give it to IdrA? What? If that's the case I would re-name the award: GG? or What the f*** just happened? (to keep it PG, Whhhhaaaaattttt?)

I'm sorry, but I don't see how IdrA's play is exciting at all. He's a very boring player on paper and always has been that way. The only memories we have of him are how he's going to lose and his character. Not necessarily his play style. The only series that wasn't a complete wash this year was when he played BoxeR at MLG. BoxeR crawled back to tie it and IdrA's back was against the fence going into the seventh set yet he found a way to win.

To generalize IdrA either crushes you or he loses. The only entertainment we get from it is the how. There are tons of more players that are more entertaining than IdrA. More often than not, IdrA doesn't even let the game get entertaining because he will bow out at almost any disadvantage.

- Most revolutionary. No Stephano didn't come out of nowhere. He had a lot of results in weekly cups and other online tournaments. As many players say. You really have to prove yourself at LANs. He did. The guy had the skill early on. I certainly saw it and apparently nerves aren't a factor for him. Out of the other candidates I would have given it to the Home Story Cup. Take's organization of this tournament and the commentary they had on hand with the other pro's was some of the best commentary we've had to date. In fact it was so good, other tournaments decided to have pro players commentate matches with the personalities at the same time. Even the big ones. There's a good reason why the Pro's and fans have all the best to say about that tournament. It's a great atmosphere and everyone gets to chill. Thus I give the nod to Home Story.

- Rivalry of the year: Both teams have outspoken personalities and always seem to be going at it because PuMa and HerO compete in almost every western tournament and you have such sideshows/pod casts like SotG and other crap. Anyway, when it comes to journalism I don't see how you can turn your cheek to all the bullshit surrounding these two teams because of the exposure they create. Something that SlayerS, IM and Startale have to pickup in that department.

- Team of the year (International): Like I mentioned earlier, I'm not happy with only naming two candidates when you list several for the other awards. Where's Mouz or Dignitas to name two? Dignitas had a great start at the beginning, but little finish to show for it. Mouz on the other hand have been very dominant in the quote end quote international team leagues. Hell, even FXO have been getting great exposure for themselves too including the all-kill by qxc when he was there and the fact they were the only pure international team competing in the GSL before their takeover.

- Player of the year (International): It truly could have gone to anyone of them. Absolutely torn on that subject. In terms of consistency. Stephano might be a little more consistent than HuK and Nani. If we only go with the here and now, I'd probably side with Naniwa.



Taking it way too seriously man. Just a fun little article, much like the GSL ceremonies.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
January 01 2012 16:24 GMT
#307
On January 02 2012 01:18 Sawamura wrote:
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On January 02 2012 01:06 DaCruise wrote:
I am sorry but I find this article to be somewhat lackluster.

If you are gonna sum up all of 2011 in a single post you gotta make sure that everything is covered incl. the nominees and tbh I totally disagree with a lot of the choices for both winners and nominees. the obvious example, as mentioned by others, is Mousesports missing in the "best team award" section. Your reasoning for not including them is just invalid imo.

I also believe there are far better and "unknown" players out there to watch for in 2012 than Titan and especially Snute.
BiGs and Bling being some of them and I have high hopes for 13abyknight as well though I may be biased in that choice.

However I do agree with Daybreak winning the best map award though, again, I would like to see more maps for the nomination. Shattered Temple comes to mind.


What a way to criticised the tl.net writing staff , If you never tried writing all this stuff by your self , you won't know how much stuff you have to dig up to have a close to 99% coverage of 2011 .


Unfortunatly I think a 99-100% coverage is needed when making such an article.
I dont think its bad. I just feel like it could have been better and more extensive.
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
January 01 2012 16:37 GMT
#308
On January 01 2012 15:24 [Erasmus] wrote:
Seriously, why is Mouz not team of the year... I get that EG/Liquid probably have a few more individual results on their roster, but Mouz are the scariest foreign team. Looks incredibly biased with only 2 nominations to begin with.

Im sorry, how exactly are they scarier then either TL or EG? EG with 2 Code 2 participants, 2 Code A, and 1 Code B(?), plus a handful of rather under preforming (though still very good) players. An TL with HerO (That alone makes them Scarier then Mouz) as well as Ret (best player in Europe arguably up there in top 3) as well as Sheth an now Zenio. Mouz really only has Morrow and Thorzain, outside of those two maybe Hasuobs but not much else vs these Goliaths of the foreigner scene. I respect Mouz but to claim them team of the year and the scariest team around is false. They're extreamly good but not that good.
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
January 01 2012 16:38 GMT
#309
To everyone unhappy with the quality of this article, or unhappy with the choices therein, the Blogs section is always open for you to make your own attempt. You can never have too many "Best of" lists!
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xciLe
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway213 Posts
January 01 2012 16:44 GMT
#310
Snute FIGHTING!
Protoss OP
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
January 01 2012 16:46 GMT
#311
On January 01 2012 23:33 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 22:38 sVnteen wrote:
On January 01 2012 19:33 ptbl wrote:
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote:
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...


Huk won dreamhack summer and.homestory cup while he was on.Liquid. The accolades should stay with the team.he won the championship on. It is like saying the six championship Michael Jordan with the Chicago Bulls should be considered the washongton wizard's championships because that was the last team Jordan played on. The championshops stays with the team and doesn't get transferred because the person moved to another organization.

It's been the community consensus for a top 4 (top 8 debatable) in GSL for a foreigner is on par with winning a western championship if not better.

Mouz has only won a single individual championship in 2011, TSL3. Until tuey can demonstrate that they can win multiple major individual championships prwferably LANs, I don't they deserve to be team of the year.

no your point is wrong
basketball is a team sports but sc2 is 1v1 so all achievements belong to the player not to the team because its not like the team helped him to win the championship (like if he had a road of haypro, tlo, ret, sheth, and they all lost on purpose so he won that way that would be a team achievement but obviously there will never be something like that in sc2 so 1v1 events have nothing to do with the team a player is on)
the achievements display the strenght of a player which helps the strenght of the lineup which helps the current team but not a team he has been on some months ago


also he doesnt say that mouz should be the top team but he says that it is between EG and mouz and liquid is not up there

(also mouz has 6 top 4 finishes in major tournaments while TL only has 5 eventhough they have a much bigger lineup and EG has 7 with almost double the amount of players so...)

On January 01 2012 22:29 Hall0wed wrote:
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote:
TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.

Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.

Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.

Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?

If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...


Oh my, please get more worked up over this. Also perhaps try to have a level head while posting?

You completely look past most of liquid's achievements and immediately jump to some online team leagues? Really? There seems to be more bias in your post than there is in the entire OP.

Breathe, think, do some research, then maybe post if you are still upset.

better do some research yourself bro


Can't read eh? Count up those individual league golds that EG, TL, and Mouz got in 2011, then come back with your findings. Thank you.

we talked about 1v1 performance not about wins lol


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Linoge
Profile Joined January 2011
Hungary115 Posts
January 01 2012 16:55 GMT
#312
Huk rofl
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sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
January 01 2012 16:55 GMT
#313
On January 02 2012 01:37 Catatonic wrote:
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On January 01 2012 15:24 [Erasmus] wrote:
Seriously, why is Mouz not team of the year... I get that EG/Liquid probably have a few more individual results on their roster, but Mouz are the scariest foreign team. Looks incredibly biased with only 2 nominations to begin with.

Im sorry, how exactly are they scarier then either TL or EG? EG with 2 Code 2 participants, 2 Code A, and 1 Code B(?), plus a handful of rather under preforming (though still very good) players. An TL with HerO (That alone makes them Scarier then Mouz) as well as Ret (best player in Europe arguably up there in top 3) as well as Sheth an now Zenio. Mouz really only has Morrow and Thorzain, outside of those two maybe Hasuobs but not much else vs these Goliaths of the foreigner scene. I respect Mouz but to claim them team of the year and the scariest team around is false. They're extreamly good but not that good.


look at liquipedia they have the most top 4 finishes of any team eventhough they have the smallest roster and they did best in team events
mouz also has mana and wait- he is top 5 internation tlpd while there is no liquid or EG player there?
and why is hero not in top 5 korea hmmmmmmm- nor is zenio nor puma OMG

ret can not possibly be considered top 3 europe (at least not on from a standpoint of someone who knows the scene

my of the guys above ret would be (not in order so pls no rage)
naniwa sase thorzain stephano nerchio beastyqt kas mana demuslim ToD (morrow?) (and since he is so passive in the scene i am not completely sure about his current level but so i would put him around the level of demuslim/tod but im certain that tod will be a beast when he comes back from korea)
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whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 16:59:08
January 01 2012 16:57 GMT
#314
On January 02 2012 01:55 sVnteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 01:37 Catatonic wrote:
On January 01 2012 15:24 [Erasmus] wrote:
Seriously, why is Mouz not team of the year... I get that EG/Liquid probably have a few more individual results on their roster, but Mouz are the scariest foreign team. Looks incredibly biased with only 2 nominations to begin with.

Im sorry, how exactly are they scarier then either TL or EG? EG with 2 Code 2 participants, 2 Code A, and 1 Code B(?), plus a handful of rather under preforming (though still very good) players. An TL with HerO (That alone makes them Scarier then Mouz) as well as Ret (best player in Europe arguably up there in top 3) as well as Sheth an now Zenio. Mouz really only has Morrow and Thorzain, outside of those two maybe Hasuobs but not much else vs these Goliaths of the foreigner scene. I respect Mouz but to claim them team of the year and the scariest team around is false. They're extreamly good but not that good.


look at liquipedia they have the most top 4 finishes of any team eventhough they have the smallest roster and they did best in team events
mouz also has mana and wait- he is top 5 internation tlpd while there is no liquid or EG player there?
and why is hero not in top 5 korea hmmmmmmm- nor is zenio nor puma OMG

ret can not possibly be considered top 3 europe (at least not on from a standpoint of someone who knows the scene

my of the guys above ret would be (not in order so pls no rage)
naniwa sase thorzain stephano nerchio beastyqt kas mana demuslim ToD (morrow?) (and since he is so passive in the scene i am not completely sure about his current level but so i would put him around the level of demuslim/tod but im certain that tod will be a beast when he comes back from korea)


Do you seriously put demuslim there instead of ret? atleast ret has won some tournaments, demuslim has done NOTHING,NOTHING AT ALL. So please...

edit: And dont start talking about his broken hands. It woudnt have changed anything, its like TLO had wrist problems, if he was healthy would he have won couple MLG's ? No. Same with demuslim.
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MangoNinja
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada13 Posts
January 01 2012 16:58 GMT
#315
Awesome write up ! Love these !
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 17:10:25
January 01 2012 17:02 GMT
#316
On January 02 2012 01:55 sVnteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 01:37 Catatonic wrote:
On January 01 2012 15:24 [Erasmus] wrote:
Seriously, why is Mouz not team of the year... I get that EG/Liquid probably have a few more individual results on their roster, but Mouz are the scariest foreign team. Looks incredibly biased with only 2 nominations to begin with.

Im sorry, how exactly are they scarier then either TL or EG? EG with 2 Code 2 participants, 2 Code A, and 1 Code B(?), plus a handful of rather under preforming (though still very good) players. An TL with HerO (That alone makes them Scarier then Mouz) as well as Ret (best player in Europe arguably up there in top 3) as well as Sheth an now Zenio. Mouz really only has Morrow and Thorzain, outside of those two maybe Hasuobs but not much else vs these Goliaths of the foreigner scene. I respect Mouz but to claim them team of the year and the scariest team around is false. They're extreamly good but not that good.


look at liquipedia they have the most top 4 finishes of any team eventhough they have the smallest roster and they did best in team events
mouz also has mana and wait- he is top 5 internation tlpd while there is no liquid or EG player there?
and why is hero not in top 5 korea hmmmmmmm- nor is zenio nor puma OMG

ret can not possibly be considered top 3 europe (at least not on from a standpoint of someone who knows the scene

my of the guys above ret would be (not in order so pls no rage)
naniwa sase thorzain stephano nerchio beastyqt kas mana demuslim ToD (morrow?) (and since he is so passive in the scene i am not completely sure about his current level but so i would put him around the level of demuslim/tod but im certain that tod will be a beast when he comes back from korea)

Last I checked none outside of Morrow and Thorzain were in Code S or even A unlike those on EG an TL which already puts them at a disadvantage for the reward. Best team = best players. An also theres a nice quote that goes "close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades." Meaning if its not first its not good enough. The other two have more Golds an on larger stages. Preforming on bigger stages as well makes you better vs winning a bunch on those smaller stages. Maybe I overrated Ret a bit but he's better then some of the guys you named an yes Zenio, Puma, JYP, and HerO may not be top Koreans but they're certainly better then most top foreigners hence why they alone swing the balance away from Mouz though as well as better performances on bigger stages as well.

Also your point about them not being top 5 korean is a joke right an would get beaten by Mouz right? So any of the following aren't or could be considered not top 5 korean so they're clearly not better then all of Mouz right? Bomber, Boxer, JYP, NesTea, Tassadar, MKP, Polt, Guinepig, Dragon, Ganzi, Sc, or DRG right
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ZisforZerg
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States224 Posts
January 01 2012 17:04 GMT
#317
well done mates, thanks
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pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 17:07:33
January 01 2012 17:06 GMT
#318
Sick !! I really like the graphics , very good work whit that
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Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 17:14:57
January 01 2012 17:07 GMT
#319
On January 01 2012 19:18 Hall0wed wrote:
MVP should have gotten most revolutionary, or maybe Twitch, but besides that everything is perfect. I guess you had to give Stephano something or else the fanboys may have revolted.


I kind of agree with you on the "mvp deserving the most revolutionary award". But I also think that Stephano deserved the Breakout performance of the year, while i think Huk deserves his foreign player of the year title. In early 2011, both Thorzain and Stephano were unknown to most on sc2 (good master players but no lan or online cup won) and a bit known on wc3 but without any big results. And at the end of 2011 Stephano's performance outshines Thorzain's one.
Maybe they meant "breakout performance...in a tournament during the year" and not "breakout performance...of the year" but that would be a strange choice.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
January 01 2012 17:07 GMT
#320
Great Write-Up! Happy New Years TL!!!!! Here's to 6 years of loving you!!!!!
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 17:12:13
January 01 2012 17:09 GMT
#321
On January 02 2012 01:55 sVnteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 01:37 Catatonic wrote:
On January 01 2012 15:24 [Erasmus] wrote:
Seriously, why is Mouz not team of the year... I get that EG/Liquid probably have a few more individual results on their roster, but Mouz are the scariest foreign team. Looks incredibly biased with only 2 nominations to begin with.

Im sorry, how exactly are they scarier then either TL or EG? EG with 2 Code 2 participants, 2 Code A, and 1 Code B(?), plus a handful of rather under preforming (though still very good) players. An TL with HerO (That alone makes them Scarier then Mouz) as well as Ret (best player in Europe arguably up there in top 3) as well as Sheth an now Zenio. Mouz really only has Morrow and Thorzain, outside of those two maybe Hasuobs but not much else vs these Goliaths of the foreigner scene. I respect Mouz but to claim them team of the year and the scariest team around is false. They're extreamly good but not that good.


look at liquipedia they have the most top 4 finishes of any team eventhough they have the smallest roster and they did best in team events
mouz also has mana and wait- he is top 5 internation tlpd while there is no liquid or EG player there?
and why is hero not in top 5 korea hmmmmmmm- nor is zenio nor puma OMG

ret can not possibly be considered top 3 europe (at least not on from a standpoint of someone who knows the scene

my of the guys above ret would be (not in order so pls no rage)
naniwa sase thorzain stephano nerchio beastyqt kas mana demuslim ToD (morrow?) (and since he is so passive in the scene i am not completely sure about his current level but so i would put him around the level of demuslim/tod but im certain that tod will be a beast when he comes back from korea)

sVteen think about what you're saying please. TLPD values $100 tournaments as much as an MLG win and is not a good metric to use for a discussion as deep as this one. HuK who has won 3 majors in 2011 by himself does not make it into the TLPD top 5.

Ret won Assembly, won Blizzard EU, got top 8 IPL and top 4 Dreamhack. It doesn't necessarily prove he is top 3 Europe, but I can't think of many besides Naniwa and Stephano who can objectively boost better results in 2011. Thorzain, Ret and Mana all have really good results in 2011, but the majority of your list do not, and seem to be based more on your opinion than results.

I don't think sports evolve around top 4 finishes as a bragging point. The most important thing is winning major tournaments. It's definitely an added accomplishment but it's not like 4 times top 4 is worth as much as a 1st place finish, or anything like that. I'd rather win one than get top 4 20 times.

Also, to clarify this is not a discussion of whether or not one team has a stronger lineup than the other; It's about who had a better 2011. A team can win every single tournament out there and lose it's full squad in December and still have the best team performance that year. I won't deny that Mouz is incredibly skilled, but they have not been able to transition that skill into major tournament wins.
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ZisforZerg
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States224 Posts
January 01 2012 17:11 GMT
#322
On January 02 2012 01:55 sVnteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 01:37 Catatonic wrote:
On January 01 2012 15:24 [Erasmus] wrote:
Seriously, why is Mouz not team of the year... I get that EG/Liquid probably have a few more individual results on their roster, but Mouz are the scariest foreign team. Looks incredibly biased with only 2 nominations to begin with.

Im sorry, how exactly are they scarier then either TL or EG? EG with 2 Code 2 participants, 2 Code A, and 1 Code B(?), plus a handful of rather under preforming (though still very good) players. An TL with HerO (That alone makes them Scarier then Mouz) as well as Ret (best player in Europe arguably up there in top 3) as well as Sheth an now Zenio. Mouz really only has Morrow and Thorzain, outside of those two maybe Hasuobs but not much else vs these Goliaths of the foreigner scene. I respect Mouz but to claim them team of the year and the scariest team around is false. They're extreamly good but not that good.


look at liquipedia they have the most top 4 finishes of any team eventhough they have the smallest roster and they did best in team events
mouz also has mana and wait- he is top 5 internation tlpd while there is no liquid or EG player there?
and why is hero not in top 5 korea hmmmmmmm- nor is zenio nor puma OMG

ret can not possibly be considered top 3 europe (at least not on from a standpoint of someone who knows the scene

my of the guys above ret would be (not in order so pls no rage)
naniwa sase thorzain stephano nerchio beastyqt kas mana demuslim ToD (morrow?) (and since he is so passive in the scene i am not completely sure about his current level but so i would put him around the level of demuslim/tod but im certain that tod will be a beast when he comes back from korea)

To say mouz has a scarier lineup than EG is quite frankly ludicrous. IdrA, HuK, PuMa is all I have to say, does mouz have one player that could beat any one of these guys in a Bo7? How many championships does mouz have?

Look, I think they're a great team but do not even try to compare them with EG. I still think people overlook them but there is no statistic you can show me that will prove that mouz had a better year than EG. Cheers!
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Geeji
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany27 Posts
January 01 2012 17:12 GMT
#323
On January 01 2012 18:10 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 17:24 HuK wrote:
he wants it so bad

he cant have you



hahahah :D


@topic : i agree with all aspects well done!

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KMARTRULES2
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia149 Posts
January 01 2012 17:13 GMT
#324
Mouz has not had the individual tournament wins to make this award, but they are easily the best foreign team in team leagues.

As for TL v EG, It's honestly a joke that you rate Zenio/Ret/HerO (Maybe Sheth) as equal to IdrA/Huk/Puma/JYP (Maybe Demuslim).

TheBaconator
Profile Joined August 2010
United States5 Posts
January 01 2012 17:14 GMT
#325
1. <3 Huk
2. <3 TL
3. <3 Waxangel and everyone who contributed to this article
4. gogo 2012 fightinggggg
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 17:16:04
January 01 2012 17:14 GMT
#326
On January 02 2012 02:13 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
Mouz has not had the individual tournament wins to make this award, but they are easily the best foreign team in team leagues.

As for TL v EG, It's honestly a joke that you rate Zenio/Ret/HerO (Maybe Sheth) as equal to IdrA/Huk/Puma/JYP (Maybe Demuslim).

HuK won two major tournaments as Liquid in 2011 and it is not a question of lineup vs lineup, but instead an award based on the year as a whole. For example Jinro in 2011 has still achieved more than JYP has, even though JYP is in a much better spot today.
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Nymbul
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom127 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 17:16:26
January 01 2012 17:15 GMT
#327
Wow, there was no zerg strategies in the runnings =(

No surprise Huk and day9 won something. Surprised Kiwikaki got the creative award, I thought TLO would have.

So happy Colombus won the american tournament of the year. It really was the best one
KMARTRULES2
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia149 Posts
January 01 2012 17:16 GMT
#328
On January 02 2012 02:11 ZisforZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 01:55 sVnteen wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:37 Catatonic wrote:
On January 01 2012 15:24 [Erasmus] wrote:
Seriously, why is Mouz not team of the year... I get that EG/Liquid probably have a few more individual results on their roster, but Mouz are the scariest foreign team. Looks incredibly biased with only 2 nominations to begin with.

Im sorry, how exactly are they scarier then either TL or EG? EG with 2 Code 2 participants, 2 Code A, and 1 Code B(?), plus a handful of rather under preforming (though still very good) players. An TL with HerO (That alone makes them Scarier then Mouz) as well as Ret (best player in Europe arguably up there in top 3) as well as Sheth an now Zenio. Mouz really only has Morrow and Thorzain, outside of those two maybe Hasuobs but not much else vs these Goliaths of the foreigner scene. I respect Mouz but to claim them team of the year and the scariest team around is false. They're extreamly good but not that good.


look at liquipedia they have the most top 4 finishes of any team eventhough they have the smallest roster and they did best in team events
mouz also has mana and wait- he is top 5 internation tlpd while there is no liquid or EG player there?
and why is hero not in top 5 korea hmmmmmmm- nor is zenio nor puma OMG

ret can not possibly be considered top 3 europe (at least not on from a standpoint of someone who knows the scene

my of the guys above ret would be (not in order so pls no rage)
naniwa sase thorzain stephano nerchio beastyqt kas mana demuslim ToD (morrow?) (and since he is so passive in the scene i am not completely sure about his current level but so i would put him around the level of demuslim/tod but im certain that tod will be a beast when he comes back from korea)

To say mouz has a scarier lineup than EG is quite frankly ludicrous. IdrA, HuK, PuMa is all I have to say, does mouz have one player that could beat any one of these guys in a Bo7? How many championships does mouz have?

Look, I think they're a great team but do not even try to compare them with EG. I still think people overlook them but there is no statistic you can show me that will prove that mouz had a better year than EG. Cheers!


HasuObs, Morrow, Thorzain, MaNa. I still think that EG's lineup for individual tournaments is stronger (More star players), But any of these guys on mouz could take a bo5 or 7 against EGs players. Hasu took Huk out 3-2 in NASL recently.
KMARTRULES2
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia149 Posts
January 01 2012 17:18 GMT
#329
On January 02 2012 02:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 02:13 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
Mouz has not had the individual tournament wins to make this award, but they are easily the best foreign team in team leagues.

As for TL v EG, It's honestly a joke that you rate Zenio/Ret/HerO (Maybe Sheth) as equal to IdrA/Huk/Puma/JYP (Maybe Demuslim).

HuK won two major tournaments as Liquid in 2011 and it is not a question of lineup vs lineup, but instead an award based on the year as a whole. For example Jinro in 2011 has still achieved more than JYP has, even though JYP is in a much better spot today.


Fair enough. TL did win a lot, especially with HuK. However in 2012 I think that EG will have that top spot.

We'll see though, anything could happen. (Haypro 3 time code S champion, cheering for you :D)
Kaelaris
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom788 Posts
January 01 2012 17:25 GMT
#330
On January 02 2012 00:59 Frankon wrote:
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On January 02 2012 00:33 Thorzain wrote:
mouz doesn't have any korean mercenaries!!

(Z)biGs is such a white dude....
Ok. Jokes aside at least he isn't a pure korean (and by not being pure i mean that he got swiss nationality)


I think you should probably add that he got his swiss nationality at like the age of 4 and has been there ever since pretty much xD he's more swiss than anything
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
January 01 2012 17:25 GMT
#331
Even if I disagree, I think it was a pretty good wrap up for a damn good year
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
January 01 2012 17:26 GMT
#332
surprised HerO was not at least nominated for most creative player...
OMGKEI
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia590 Posts
January 01 2012 17:29 GMT
#333
The only thing I don't like is the fact dual sight got onto the list of map of the year...PvZ is rubbish on that map...
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
January 01 2012 17:29 GMT
#334
This article is so awesome.

Wow.
✌
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
January 01 2012 17:30 GMT
#335
On January 02 2012 02:09 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
sVteen think about what you're saying please. TLPD values $100 tournaments as much as an MLG win and is not a good metric to use for a discussion as deep as this one. HuK who has won 3 majors in 2011 by himself does not make it into the TLPD top 5.

Correct me if im wrong but TLPD takes into account who they were playing against and not what tournament - so its a freaking good metric way to compare players. The price of the tournament doesn't matter. Its who you killed on your way to the top. And sadly for MLG the way to the top might be only 4 or so BO3...

PS. I noticed that TLPD isn't MLG friendly since most of the imported (read: exchange program) koreans don't participate in western cups so its hard to use their TLPD elo since there are differences between korean and western scene.
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
January 01 2012 17:30 GMT
#336
On January 02 2012 02:11 ZisforZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 01:55 sVnteen wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:37 Catatonic wrote:
On January 01 2012 15:24 [Erasmus] wrote:
Seriously, why is Mouz not team of the year... I get that EG/Liquid probably have a few more individual results on their roster, but Mouz are the scariest foreign team. Looks incredibly biased with only 2 nominations to begin with.

Im sorry, how exactly are they scarier then either TL or EG? EG with 2 Code 2 participants, 2 Code A, and 1 Code B(?), plus a handful of rather under preforming (though still very good) players. An TL with HerO (That alone makes them Scarier then Mouz) as well as Ret (best player in Europe arguably up there in top 3) as well as Sheth an now Zenio. Mouz really only has Morrow and Thorzain, outside of those two maybe Hasuobs but not much else vs these Goliaths of the foreigner scene. I respect Mouz but to claim them team of the year and the scariest team around is false. They're extreamly good but not that good.


look at liquipedia they have the most top 4 finishes of any team eventhough they have the smallest roster and they did best in team events
mouz also has mana and wait- he is top 5 internation tlpd while there is no liquid or EG player there?
and why is hero not in top 5 korea hmmmmmmm- nor is zenio nor puma OMG

ret can not possibly be considered top 3 europe (at least not on from a standpoint of someone who knows the scene

my of the guys above ret would be (not in order so pls no rage)
naniwa sase thorzain stephano nerchio beastyqt kas mana demuslim ToD (morrow?) (and since he is so passive in the scene i am not completely sure about his current level but so i would put him around the level of demuslim/tod but im certain that tod will be a beast when he comes back from korea)

To say mouz has a scarier lineup than EG is quite frankly ludicrous. IdrA, HuK, PuMa is all I have to say, does mouz have one player that could beat any one of these guys in a Bo7? How many championships does mouz have?

Look, I think they're a great team but do not even try to compare them with EG. I still think people overlook them but there is no statistic you can show me that will prove that mouz had a better year than EG. Cheers!

I wouldn't put it past Thorzain, Morrow or MaNa
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Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
January 01 2012 17:34 GMT
#337
Were TL writers aiming for first drama of 2012 award ? :D
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Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
January 01 2012 17:38 GMT
#338
I would honestly name Mouz the best foreign team. Those guys are monstrous.
Huitzi
Profile Joined November 2011
United States33 Posts
January 01 2012 17:40 GMT
#339
Ah, Apocalypse, yes, this guy plays an astonishing amount of games, on his division there is only another guy that plays as much, this guy probably does play 50 or so games per day and he wins the majority of them, he's top 20 GM in Korea and he favors to do fast strategies on 1 base, I have a replay pack of him from older patches and I've messaged him about streaming but he said QIM is setting his stream up, he's a really good player and I hope he has great success because he is working hard for it.
Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
January 01 2012 17:52 GMT
#340
Great write-up as usual. Best of luck to both TL and EG. Can't wait for an even better 2012!
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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
January 01 2012 18:01 GMT
#341
Seeing Snute on this list makes me fuzzy. Great writeup!
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bundo
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada113 Posts
January 01 2012 18:01 GMT
#342
sweet, glad apocalypse was mentioned here, hes a amazing player that not many people know about
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
January 01 2012 18:08 GMT
#343
eSports hwaiting!
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 01 2012 18:08 GMT
#344
On January 02 2012 02:30 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 02:09 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
sVteen think about what you're saying please. TLPD values $100 tournaments as much as an MLG win and is not a good metric to use for a discussion as deep as this one. HuK who has won 3 majors in 2011 by himself does not make it into the TLPD top 5.

Correct me if im wrong but TLPD takes into account who they were playing against and not what tournament - so its a freaking good metric way to compare players. The price of the tournament doesn't matter. Its who you killed on your way to the top.

It's really not. These Playhem Dailies are nice, but no one tries as hard in them as they do for Dreamhack or anything other major tournament. The same goes for TLOpens, Zotac cups, etc. It's just an extra set of practice games that might win you a couple hundred dollars, even if you're facing versus someone good.
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Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
January 01 2012 18:12 GMT
#345
I still haven't figured out what HerO was doing.
mouzChase
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany66 Posts
January 01 2012 18:12 GMT
#346
Awesome article but i wanna mention one point, at the Team of the Year International part i was sad that mouz wasnt mentioned. For me mouz is the team of the year. Outstanding players, nice finishes, mostly entertaining games, IPLTA runner-up (where TL failed and EG was scared). You shouldve at least mentioned their name
My opinion here does not reflect the views of my team / twitter @mouzChase / I <3 Scarlett
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 01 2012 18:12 GMT
#347
The think the biggest crime in this write-up is that Dual Sight was nominated for map of the year when the map has the worst possible PvZs ever. Worse than steppes of war.
Chronald
Profile Joined December 2009
United States619 Posts
January 01 2012 18:15 GMT
#348
ROFL TL saying they are as good as EG in 2011.

Check the results of every tournament, TL doesn't compare at all.
Got that.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 18:20:26
January 01 2012 18:18 GMT
#349
On January 02 2012 03:15 Chronald wrote:
ROFL TL saying they are as good as EG in 2011.

Check the results of every tournament, TL doesn't compare at all.
Why do so many people have the memory of goldfish?

I can understand if you disagree with the philosophy and think team events should carry more weight than individual awards, in which case Mouz has been the strongest team in foreign team events, but in terms of individual tournament accomplishments (not counting overall successes like EG's house) then EG and TL are neck and neck. Puma wasn't in EG when he won NASL1 and HuK wasn't in EG when he won HSC3 and DH.

This isn't the "Team of December 2011" award. The gut reaction for most people is probably "EG is better right now" and unfortunately, people only post their gut reactions. >.> When you think about it more with all of 2011 in context, it makes sense.
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Spray
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States402 Posts
January 01 2012 18:18 GMT
#350
Nice rightup man! gj!
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shadowy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria305 Posts
January 01 2012 18:21 GMT
#351
Thank you. Yet another amazing read!
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Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
January 01 2012 18:22 GMT
#352
Phenomenal write up TL! Looking forward to the beginning of the 2012 scene as soon as possible!
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 01 2012 18:23 GMT
#353
On January 02 2012 02:30 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 02:09 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
sVteen think about what you're saying please. TLPD values $100 tournaments as much as an MLG win and is not a good metric to use for a discussion as deep as this one. HuK who has won 3 majors in 2011 by himself does not make it into the TLPD top 5.

Correct me if im wrong but TLPD takes into account who they were playing against and not what tournament - so its a freaking good metric way to compare players. The price of the tournament doesn't matter. Its who you killed on your way to the top. And sadly for MLG the way to the top might be only 4 or so BO3...

PS. I noticed that TLPD isn't MLG friendly since most of the imported (read: exchange program) koreans don't participate in western cups so its hard to use their TLPD elo since there are differences between korean and western scene.

It's a well known flaw in TLPD that $100 cups inflate rankings. That makes TLPD a good estimate, but not accurate.
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Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
January 01 2012 18:27 GMT
#354
kinda sad idra is the most entretaining player just cause hes a dick to everyone else.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
January 01 2012 18:35 GMT
#355
Someone explain to me what that thing about the stolen headset was all about
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
January 01 2012 18:40 GMT
#356
On January 02 2012 00:33 Thorzain wrote:
mouz doesn't have any korean mercenaries!!

They have Swedish mercenaries picked up right before major title wins ;o
MountainGoat
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States507 Posts
January 01 2012 18:41 GMT
#357
I think TL really erred in calling itself the number one foreign team. Even with a tie. Most of their players are slumping and there haven't been that many impressive finishes. It seems pretty biased for TL to name itself so.

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GhchD
Profile Joined July 2010
Hungary52 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 19:08:25
January 01 2012 18:47 GMT
#358
Sorry if somebody already wrote it but is it just me that am dissapointed TLO wasn't even a nominee for the most creative player of he year? I know he hasn't shown that many tournament victories as the other nominees. Still I cannot imagine what way of thinking led to this decision. TLO's creativity simply has to be taken under consideration, he's shown a LOT of entertaining games despite his losses!!!
bqm
Profile Joined October 2011
94 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 19:03:55
January 01 2012 18:57 GMT
#359
TL is really biased site, i am just realising it now,.... agreed with naniwa and thorzain here,
Mouz is still the best foreign team, at least without the help of Koreans (Hero, puma), even with koreans I still put mouz on par with EG since they got JYP, they recently played crazily good in IPL tac, competing with some of the best Korean team, like MVP, IM, Slayers and win a lot.


I am actually sad that some of the TL mod/admin try to cover their ass with results of TEAM LIQUID, completely ignore Mouz in the team nominees.

WTF sc2 is 1v1 games so team results dont count?

Ok so why the fuck is Bisu is the best protoss in 2011 because he won individuals league??? or because he performed well in team league, why the fuck it not jangbi the only toss who won OSL. broodwar is a 1v1 team as well. Should fantasy be the best player of the year ??? because of OSL performance?
DongRaeGu would not be rated highly as of right now without his Team league performance.

Ban me or warn me if dislike my true comment..

And it funny there are 2 winners of 1 prize hahahaha EG and Liquid tied, wtf are they trying here, be nice to each other after the blow rivalry award?


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Guilty
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada812 Posts
January 01 2012 19:00 GMT
#360
Good write-up. Definitely an enjoying read, thanks!
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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
January 01 2012 19:01 GMT
#361
Oh plz Mouz only winning in team league and a few tourneys with T-Zain. Can't compare them to TL, TL is bigger and competing in GSL right now.
zOula...
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States898 Posts
January 01 2012 19:04 GMT
#362
Very nice write-up, thanks for the post. I agree with it for the most part, but the cop-out of EG/TL "tying" for team of the year is lame Just have some balls and pick one over the other
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
January 01 2012 19:04 GMT
#363
On January 02 2012 04:01 tuho12345 wrote:
Oh plz Mouz only winning in team league and a few tourneys with T-Zain. Can't compare them to TL, TL is bigger and competing in GSL right now.

Mouz is in GSL too....
fcgog
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom876 Posts
January 01 2012 19:07 GMT
#364
worst was that mouz was't even a nominee
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
January 01 2012 19:10 GMT
#365
I don't even follow SC2. But this was a great read! Thanks
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 19:12:53
January 01 2012 19:11 GMT
#366
I don't know why this is such a hard concept to grasp--how good a year a team has is not equivalent to the win percentages of their players. It has to do with successful promotion of their brand, high-profile tournament wins, and the like. In this, TL and EG, like it or not, are indeed ahead of the pack. TL vs EG itself is more debatable, but both teams have had many high-profile tournament wins this year, and both are pretty close in terms of fanbases and promotion; EG, I think, has had slightly better results, and TL has been slightly better in promotion and name-brand power (EG has had some scrape-ups along the way, such as the Milkis incident). Given that, it doesn't seem to me to be at all strange to give them an overall tie in such a broadly-worded category.

It doesn't mean your favorite team sucks. It is what it is.
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3110 Posts
January 01 2012 19:12 GMT
#367
Oh, and amazing writeup. I really enjoyed it.
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Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
January 01 2012 19:13 GMT
#368
Thank you for the write-up. Great effort and it looks really good and i agree with most.
Still, some things come off as sugarcoated, instead of hart hitting truths supported with facts.
wat
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
January 01 2012 19:15 GMT
#369
I find it a little bit strange that TL closed the other thread about Mouz bashing....

anyway, I don't really agree with the choices made here:
-Kiwikaki as most creative? Painuser/Idra pretty much summed it up on ITG that this isn't really true. Even Whithra would have been better.
-(Korea)Team of the year is IM? well, I think MVP and Nestea are player of the Year but as Team itself i think Slayers would have been better, because they didn't start with the big guns.
-And yeah, the international Team of the year...
And why isn't Puma vs MC at NASL 1 on the list for Game of the year??
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
January 01 2012 19:17 GMT
#370
Would have put mouz bigs, or slayers golden or crank maybe as ones to watch for 2012 but still nice article
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mYNDIG
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway179 Posts
January 01 2012 19:19 GMT
#371
First, truly happy to see Snute mentioned. A remarkable player, and a truly cool person as well. And to do some self promotion, did an interview with him back at ESWC.



I won't argue with the list in itself like some people do here, because there truly isn't a point in doing that. You might disagree with some of their selections, as you should, but there are limits to how far you should go.

With the Team award, I guess a few people share my view on what criteria should be used. My view isn't that you should award them by what victories / achievements they have in solo tournaments, but more what the team have done as a hole. In team tournaments. Only problem is that there isn't any offline team tournaments outside of Korea.

Next year you should include what ciriterias you used for the different awards, just to shut up a few of the people complaining = )
We all die in the end
Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
January 01 2012 19:35 GMT
#372
I thought the EG - Mouz rivalry was far more entertaining than EG - TL. Also some of this is too biased for my taste =(
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JujuXG
Profile Joined September 2011
United States373 Posts
January 01 2012 19:43 GMT
#373
We should just let the TL community vote on a year end Startcraft 2 award.
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devPLEASE
Profile Joined March 2011
Kenya605 Posts
January 01 2012 19:49 GMT
#374
Happy that these amazing writers are still here. Nice read! Anyway, happy new years to everyone! Stay safe
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Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
January 01 2012 19:52 GMT
#375
Great read. I think its fine that EG & TL tied for best team. However I think next year EG might be way above them. It's kind of a dumb thing to say though, a year is so long, 100 big tournaments, anything can happen. Goodluck all!
Slaptoast
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada134 Posts
January 01 2012 19:54 GMT
#376
Needs best upset for QXC all killing IM
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netsky4
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria511 Posts
January 01 2012 19:56 GMT
#377
Really great write up, just seems that the awards were only picked for the most "famous" once, not the actual best nominees.
Might be a mater of opinions, why wouldn't you let the community vote ?
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 20:01:24
January 01 2012 20:00 GMT
#378
On January 02 2012 04:04 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 04:01 tuho12345 wrote:
Oh plz Mouz only winning in team league and a few tourneys with T-Zain. Can't compare them to TL, TL is bigger and competing in GSL right now.

Mouz is in GSL too....


How is that an achievement when they got invited ? Its not like they won it or anything, this goes for both arguments for TL and Mouz
o)_Saurus
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany260 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 20:02:12
January 01 2012 20:01 GMT
#379
Most Revolutionary:
Mill.Stephano

A player is more revolutionary than a streaming service or a completely new tournament idea (HSC)?
Sorry but I have to disagree about that. Stephano calling the "Most Revolutionary" is bullshit. Maybe the best player or the nicest guy or whatever but not this award.

I mean i can partly understand that he shocked the scene by beating "A-Koreans" at IPL3 but other Foreigners also did that, even if they were not that successful. On the other hand twitch tv (and all the other streaming services) brought us new possibilities to follow our heros and learn from them. HSC transformed the idea of LAN and brought it to a whole new level. Imho these things were more revolutionary than a single player beating some koreans (which i know could be done - because I followed Grubby and the wc3 scene).
makk
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom132 Posts
January 01 2012 20:04 GMT
#380
If you measure a teams success by their earnings I think TL and EG would come out pretty much even if you take into account when the players were and were not on the teams.
Sphaero
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1697 Posts
January 01 2012 20:05 GMT
#381
First, I want to thank the guys, who made this review. It takes a ton of effort and time to do something like that.

Now, while I don´t want to beat a dead horse, I still want to share my opinion about the international team award.

I´m completely fine with Mousesports not winning the award, because you can look at it from different viewpoints. If you go by individual results, then EG should probably win it, if you go by positive influence in the international scene, then it is probably Liquid and lastly if you go by team results, it is without a doubt Mouz.

My problem is, that Mousesports was not even nominated, hell it was not even mentioned. No honorable mention, not a single sentence. You shouldn´t make a international team award and then completely neglect actual team results. Mousesports absolutely dominated these tournaments and could even stand up to premier Korean teams. Add to that, that aside of Empire Mouz is the single top class team without Koreans, you shouldn´t be surprised by a backlash of the community. Because completely ignoring Mouz achievements shows either ignorance or bias. And going by the normal quality of the front page articles, it is probably the latter.
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
January 01 2012 20:07 GMT
#382
Awesome write up! I love these awards, would really love to see a BW one :D
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kovac
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden123 Posts
January 01 2012 20:08 GMT
#383
On January 02 2012 05:05 Sphaero wrote:
First, I want to thank the guys, who made this review. It takes a ton of effort and time to do something like that.

Now, while I don´t want to beat a dead horse, I still want to share my opinion about the international team award.

I´m completely fine with Mousesports not winning the award, because you can look at it from different viewpoints. If you go by individual results, then EG should probably win it, if you go by positive influence in the international scene, then it is probably Liquid and lastly if you go by team results, it is without a doubt Mouz.

My problem is, that Mousesports was not even nominated, hell it was not even mentioned. No honorable mention, not a single sentence. You shouldn´t make a international team award and then completely neglect actual team results. Mousesports absolutely dominated these tournaments and could even stand up to premier Korean teams. Add to that, that aside of Empire Mouz is the single top class team without Koreans, you shouldn´t be surprised by a backlash of the community. Because completely ignoring Mouz achievements shows either ignorance or bias. And going by the normal quality of the front page articles, it is probably the latter.

weLl said!
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KinQuh
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland810 Posts
January 01 2012 20:08 GMT
#384
EG and TL team of the year...Bias <3
Holy check.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
January 01 2012 20:13 GMT
#385
On January 02 2012 05:05 Sphaero wrote:
First, I want to thank the guys, who made this review. It takes a ton of effort and time to do something like that.

Now, while I don´t want to beat a dead horse, I still want to share my opinion about the international team award.

I´m completely fine with Mousesports not winning the award, because you can look at it from different viewpoints. If you go by individual results, then EG should probably win it, if you go by positive influence in the international scene, then it is probably Liquid and lastly if you go by team results, it is without a doubt Mouz.

My problem is, that Mousesports was not even nominated, hell it was not even mentioned. No honorable mention, not a single sentence. You shouldn´t make a international team award and then completely neglect actual team results. Mousesports absolutely dominated these tournaments and could even stand up to premier Korean teams. Add to that, that aside of Empire Mouz is the single top class team without Koreans, you shouldn´t be surprised by a backlash of the community. Because completely ignoring Mouz achievements shows either ignorance or bias. And going by the normal quality of the front page articles, it is probably the latter.

Yeah, i think Mouz should have been nominated too.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 21:29:20
January 01 2012 20:18 GMT
#386
Awesome article, great read, but I find it absolutely despicable that antiga was a nominee for best map, and sad as well that dual sight was the other. For shame! Easily the worst, most inaccurate section of the awards.

Terminus?
Calm before the storm?
Crevasse?
Katrina?
Cloud kingdom?

All infinitely better picks imo.... I suppose you can argue for dual sight even though it was imbalanced because we saw some great games on it, but antiga shipyard is only good compared to all other blizzard maps. Compared to gsl and custom maps, antiga is garbage.

A shame, but the quality of the rest of the article makes up for it. Still, it's a detail I'd like to see improved in the future.
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KinQuh
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland810 Posts
January 01 2012 20:20 GMT
#387
On January 01 2012 23:21 Badfatpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 23:00 Talin wrote:
On January 01 2012 22:53 nimdil wrote:
On January 01 2012 17:25 SovietHammer wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne


As much as I root for TL and dislike EG, I agree that EG is clearly the top foreign team.

For reference you can check here: Liquipedia2


But see, that's Liquipedia so it clearly must be SUPER BIASED. God forbid TL gets nominated or an award for anything on teamliquid.net. -_-


Dude, 1/3 of both teams achievements are from last year on that page and Mouz is still beating both of them...?

+Puma wasnt even on EG when he won NASL 1 and i think Huk was on TL when he won Dreamhack summer and homestory right?
Holy check.
leperphilliac
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States399 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 20:31:14
January 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#388
Yeah, none of these are really controversial except for the foreign team of the year I guess, which really should have been a tie between Mouz and EG, not Liquid and EG.

Also: Titan is awesome. Look forward to seeing him in the future.
DueSs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 20:30:47
January 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#389
On January 02 2012 05:13 Kennigit wrote:
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On January 02 2012 05:05 Sphaero wrote:
First, I want to thank the guys, who made this review. It takes a ton of effort and time to do something like that.

Now, while I don´t want to beat a dead horse, I still want to share my opinion about the international team award.

I´m completely fine with Mousesports not winning the award, because you can look at it from different viewpoints. If you go by individual results, then EG should probably win it, if you go by positive influence in the international scene, then it is probably Liquid and lastly if you go by team results, it is without a doubt Mouz.

My problem is, that Mousesports was not even nominated, hell it was not even mentioned. No honorable mention, not a single sentence. You shouldn´t make a international team award and then completely neglect actual team results. Mousesports absolutely dominated these tournaments and could even stand up to premier Korean teams. Add to that, that aside of Empire Mouz is the single top class team without Koreans, you shouldn´t be surprised by a backlash of the community. Because completely ignoring Mouz achievements shows either ignorance or bias. And going by the normal quality of the front page articles, it is probably the latter.

Yeah, i think Mouz should have been nominated too.


I'm a HUGE fanboy of Tyler, but shit.. If I were Mouz, I would have said the same damn thing on twitter. I appreciate Tyler's response, too, however. It's just I think I'd be just as bitter if I were Mouz about not even getting a mention. It was a bit of a slap in the face.. I'm inclined to believe it was intentional--but, whatever.


OP:
"That, and we don't want to pick TL and get yelled at by our readers for bias, or pick EG and get yelled at by our readers for meta-bias."

Or get yelled at by your readers for entirely ignoring... Mouz.. ffs.
BLo-oD
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia10 Posts
January 01 2012 20:32 GMT
#390
Awesome article, enjoyed the read, thanks TL
makk
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 20:34:40
January 01 2012 20:33 GMT
#391
On January 02 2012 05:20 KinQuh wrote:
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On January 01 2012 23:21 Badfatpanda wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:00 Talin wrote:
On January 01 2012 22:53 nimdil wrote:
On January 01 2012 17:25 SovietHammer wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne


As much as I root for TL and dislike EG, I agree that EG is clearly the top foreign team.

For reference you can check here: Liquipedia2


But see, that's Liquipedia so it clearly must be SUPER BIASED. God forbid TL gets nominated or an award for anything on teamliquid.net. -_-


Dude, 1/3 of both teams achievements are from last year on that page and Mouz is still beating both of them...?

+Puma wasnt even on EG when he won NASL 1 and i think Huk was on TL when he won Dreamhack summer and homestory right?


So that puts Liquid at 5 and EG at 4?

Also I (badly) worked out the prize winnings of both teams and can up with
TL: 142k
EG: 137k

I'm sure there were a few errors but it seems about even . And I used sc2earnings.com which doesn't take into account team leagues, not sure how that affects things
CakeMaster
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada65 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 20:37:35
January 01 2012 20:36 GMT
#392
On the front page of reddit.com./r/starcraft
Mouz claims EG is miles ahead of Liquid in team comparison
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I still think EG-Mouz rivalry of the year. I dont know much about the TL-EG one but Mouz and EG continue to make posts insulting one another.
EG.HuK Fighting!
Phayt
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada346 Posts
January 01 2012 20:40 GMT
#393
A twitter rivalry does not compare to legit rivalry between players at major tournaments

I don't understand how anyone could think it does

Speaking of twitter that is kind of a classless comment from mousesports. It is entirely expected that forum posters will bicker about this kind of thing, but I don't see why they would want to participate in that silliness

DueSs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 20:55:25
January 01 2012 20:43 GMT
#394
On January 02 2012 05:40 Phayt wrote:
A twitter rivalry does not compare to legit rivalry between players at major tournaments

I don't understand how anyone could think it does

Speaking of twitter that is kind of a classless comment from mousesports. It is entirely expected that forum posters will bicker about this kind of thing, but I don't see why they would want to participate in that silliness



I disagree. I'd have the same reaction if I were Mouz; class would have been to have nominated them (or OBVIOUSLY have at least mentioned them) in the team award.
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 20:50:20
January 01 2012 20:49 GMT
#395
Good write-up.

I have to agree with the posters who missed mouz as a nominee for the team award. I missed a number of teams, such as:
complexity
Fnatic
dignitas
mousesports

Yes we know EG or TL might be the best, but the least you can do is show some appreciation for other teams by nominating them.

Happy New Year!
Mindor
Profile Joined December 2011
169 Posts
January 01 2012 20:57 GMT
#396
On January 01 2012 23:49 Infernux wrote:
I would describe the teams like this. Team Liquid is like Manchester United (it's a soccer team, fyi), they have a flow within the team and they feel... complete, but also welcoming to new players. They are used to winning and have some great players, but also a lot of talent.

EG would be more like Manchester City (please mind that EG has won more than City compared to United), a bought team (also, this is a bit far out, but with HuK, JYP and PuMa, come on...) with less flow and feel between the players, more like a place to get rich and get their best shots at being the best, for all the wrong reasons (I'm still a little upset about the HuK thing, mind you).

Now, mind you, this is how I feel. In my 1.5 years in the SC2 esport scene (as a watcher and low league player) TL is the team I have felt the most connected too, because of their ethics, standards and how the players present themselves, in interviews, on lans and in general when meeting their fans.

Also, WhiteRa for most creative player. Boom.


Make ManCity into Chelsea and you might have a match...Tradition and the feeling of connection you've described is not something you can create by not buying the best players possible when you have the chance. It takes time for the fans to get used to a team on the scene having success they haven't had before. Keeping the football analogy, Real Madrid is basically doing the same thing, yet have a huge fanbase and great success by tradition created in time. These things aren't mutually exclusive.

Also if we regard SC as a common competitive sport - and I think that is the goal of any e-sport - there'll always be only one winner at the end of each tournament (team or person, but let's not get hung up on that) and every player wants to be that one. Ultimately, no one will remember the nice, loyal guy, who stayed with the same team, always placing 27th at the qualifiers, so I don't think any player should be frowned upon for trying to make their chances better at winning. There can be a number of reasons for joining another team and in my opinion better salary itself is valid enough, but that's just me.
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
January 01 2012 21:02 GMT
#397
On January 02 2012 05:36 CakeMaster wrote:
On the front page of reddit.com./r/starcraft
Mouz claims EG is miles ahead of Liquid in team comparison
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I still think EG-Mouz rivalry of the year. I dont know much about the TL-EG one but Mouz and EG continue to make posts insulting one another.


Dude that wasn't a rivalry. It was one episode of twitter smack talk. How the hell does that make rivalry of the year in anyway.
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
January 01 2012 21:02 GMT
#398
Loved this! Such a great years for SC2, and Esports in general. Happy New Year to everyone!
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 21:08:33
January 01 2012 21:06 GMT
#399
On January 02 2012 05:43 DueSs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 05:40 Phayt wrote:
A twitter rivalry does not compare to legit rivalry between players at major tournaments

I don't understand how anyone could think it does

Speaking of twitter that is kind of a classless comment from mousesports. It is entirely expected that forum posters will bicker about this kind of thing, but I don't see why they would want to participate in that silliness



I disagree. I'd have the same reaction if I were Mouz; class would have been to have nominated them (or OBVIOUSLY have at least mentioned them) in the team award.


They didn't complain about not being mentioned. They complained about the tie between TL and EG (and whoever wrote that tweet demonstrated his inability to count).

It's very classless and worded in a very much dick way. Whoever is behind that twitter is pissing on the good reputation all the Mouz players and management have built so far (not just because of this tweet).

At the end of the day, if they don't like it, they can have their own award posts at their respective websites, wherever those may be. I'm sure they have a large community following and quality (and unbiased) writers around... somewhere.
Phayt
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada346 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 21:12:41
January 01 2012 21:11 GMT
#400
On January 02 2012 05:43 DueSs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 05:40 Phayt wrote:
A twitter rivalry does not compare to legit rivalry between players at major tournaments

I don't understand how anyone could think it does

Speaking of twitter that is kind of a classless comment from mousesports. It is entirely expected that forum posters will bicker about this kind of thing, but I don't see why they would want to participate in that silliness



I disagree. I'd have the same reaction if I were Mouz; class would have been to have nominated them (or OBVIOUSLY have at least mentioned them) in the team award.


Well then you would be just as wrong. I'm not going to argue about whether or not they should have been mentioned because it's entirely irrelevant. Mouz is not entitled to anything, and even if they believe that they've been snubbed or something silly like that, it should be beneath them to get snippy and belittle other teams in a public manner, over a little award blurb.

It's just inappropriate. That kind of stuff is the territory of nobody forum posters, not a professional team's official media outlet.
-Strider-
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico1605 Posts
January 01 2012 21:12 GMT
#401
I HATE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T REMEMBER HOW GOOD LIQUID WAS THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR, THEY WERE THE BEST FOREIGN TEAAAMMMM :ALSfkiwjfqw9rf0q
What is up? IM NESTEAAAA!
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
January 01 2012 21:14 GMT
#402
LOL TL staff being complete pussies for not picking team of the year imo There are no ties in starcraft2!
DueSs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States765 Posts
January 01 2012 21:15 GMT
#403
On January 02 2012 06:11 Phayt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 05:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 05:40 Phayt wrote:
A twitter rivalry does not compare to legit rivalry between players at major tournaments

I don't understand how anyone could think it does

Speaking of twitter that is kind of a classless comment from mousesports. It is entirely expected that forum posters will bicker about this kind of thing, but I don't see why they would want to participate in that silliness



I disagree. I'd have the same reaction if I were Mouz; class would have been to have nominated them (or OBVIOUSLY have at least mentioned them) in the team award.


Well then you would be just as wrong. I'm not going to argue about whether or not they should have been mentioned because it's entirely irrelevant. Mouz is not entitled to anything, and even if they believe that they've been snubbed or something silly like that, it should be beneath them to get snippy and belittle other teams in a public manner, over a little award blurb.

It's just inappropriate. That kind of stuff is the territory of nobody forum posters, not a professional team's official media outlet.


Ok, we'll just accept the fact that we're talking about two different things: nomination/twitter responses. We can agree that you think the nomination is irrelevant and I think the twitter response is irrelevant. See, we worked that out like big boys.
kvn4444
Profile Joined September 2010
1510 Posts
January 01 2012 21:16 GMT
#404
Calm before the storm should have been at least nominated, probably replace dual sight. I think calm and daybreak were my favorite maps. Agree with most other picks, mouz deserves a nomination at least for best int'l team.
flagg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 21:22:55
January 01 2012 21:17 GMT
#405
Was a lot of fun to read and thank you for doing it!


Best team of the year (international) seems a bit strange. IMO it should be either Mouse or FXO or IM.

There should be some kind of criteria. Is it a team with no Koreans? Is it a team that is controlled outside Korea? Is the result counted on individual basis or as a team? Is it any team with mixed Koreans and foreigners?

Now the criteria seem to be: team controlled outside of Korea with max 2 Koreans and only counting individual results.

Seems a bit far stretched to get the right winners in my opinion...

Edit: ...or just call it most popular team and be done with it
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 01 2012 21:18 GMT
#406
Nice write-up.
Kinda surprised by the player to watch section.. was expecting more obvious names like fOrGG and stuff. :o
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Phayt
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada346 Posts
January 01 2012 21:19 GMT
#407
On January 02 2012 06:15 DueSs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 06:11 Phayt wrote:
On January 02 2012 05:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 05:40 Phayt wrote:
A twitter rivalry does not compare to legit rivalry between players at major tournaments

I don't understand how anyone could think it does

Speaking of twitter that is kind of a classless comment from mousesports. It is entirely expected that forum posters will bicker about this kind of thing, but I don't see why they would want to participate in that silliness



I disagree. I'd have the same reaction if I were Mouz; class would have been to have nominated them (or OBVIOUSLY have at least mentioned them) in the team award.


Well then you would be just as wrong. I'm not going to argue about whether or not they should have been mentioned because it's entirely irrelevant. Mouz is not entitled to anything, and even if they believe that they've been snubbed or something silly like that, it should be beneath them to get snippy and belittle other teams in a public manner, over a little award blurb.

It's just inappropriate. That kind of stuff is the territory of nobody forum posters, not a professional team's official media outlet.


Ok, we'll just accept the fact that we're talking about two different things: nomination/twitter responses. We can agree that you think the nomination is irrelevant and I think the twitter response is irrelevant. See, we worked that out like big boys.


If you weren't talking about the twitter response, why did you quote my post regarding it, bold that section even, and proceed to disagree with me?
DueSs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States765 Posts
January 01 2012 21:22 GMT
#408
On January 02 2012 06:19 Phayt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 06:15 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 06:11 Phayt wrote:
On January 02 2012 05:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 05:40 Phayt wrote:
A twitter rivalry does not compare to legit rivalry between players at major tournaments

I don't understand how anyone could think it does

Speaking of twitter that is kind of a classless comment from mousesports. It is entirely expected that forum posters will bicker about this kind of thing, but I don't see why they would want to participate in that silliness



I disagree. I'd have the same reaction if I were Mouz; class would have been to have nominated them (or OBVIOUSLY have at least mentioned them) in the team award.


Well then you would be just as wrong. I'm not going to argue about whether or not they should have been mentioned because it's entirely irrelevant. Mouz is not entitled to anything, and even if they believe that they've been snubbed or something silly like that, it should be beneath them to get snippy and belittle other teams in a public manner, over a little award blurb.

It's just inappropriate. That kind of stuff is the territory of nobody forum posters, not a professional team's official media outlet.


Ok, we'll just accept the fact that we're talking about two different things: nomination/twitter responses. We can agree that you think the nomination is irrelevant and I think the twitter response is irrelevant. See, we worked that out like big boys.


If you weren't talking about the twitter response, why did you quote my post regarding it, bold that section even, and proceed to disagree with me?


I guess you're fishing for an argument. I will answer your question though: I didn't say I wasn't talking about the twitter response, I said I think it's irrelevant to my point that they should have been nominated. K, let's quit this.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 21:24:20
January 01 2012 21:23 GMT
#409
On January 02 2012 06:14 nttea wrote:
LOL TL staff being complete pussies for not picking team of the year imo There are no ties in starcraft2!

Tell that to Hasu and Beasty ^^
60 supply vs 0 suply... DRAW DETECTED
llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
January 01 2012 21:25 GMT
#410
On January 01 2012 18:10 IdrA wrote:
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On January 01 2012 17:24 HuK wrote:
he wants it so bad

he cant have you

LOL
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
EsMors
Profile Joined August 2010
53 Posts
January 01 2012 21:29 GMT
#411
Very nice article! I agree on many points, but I can't understand why FOrGG is not one of the three players to watch in 2012.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
January 01 2012 21:30 GMT
#412
On January 02 2012 06:12 -Strider- wrote:
I HATE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T REMEMBER HOW GOOD LIQUID WAS THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR, THEY WERE THE BEST FOREIGN TEAAAMMMM :ALSfkiwjfqw9rf0q


This

For 10 months out of 12, no other team was even close on accomplishments.
Avs
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (North)857 Posts
January 01 2012 21:33 GMT
#413
On January 02 2012 06:29 EsMors wrote:
Very nice article! I agree on many points, but I can't understand why FOrGG is not one of the three players to watch in 2012.


Write for the foreign crowds on a site that caters primarily to that demographic. You don't really need their opinions anyways when you know whos who of the best and what to watch for.
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
January 01 2012 21:33 GMT
#414
Great write-up, this sums up the high-lites of the year pretty well.
=)=
Killbydeath
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada13 Posts
January 01 2012 21:44 GMT
#415
Nice Write up!! I really enjoyed it!! :D

Should the international team of the years TL award be in the drama of 2012?
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
January 01 2012 21:45 GMT
#416
thank you for this happy new years
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 21:47:06
January 01 2012 21:45 GMT
#417
On January 02 2012 05:18 -orb- wrote:
Awesome article, great read, but I find it absolutely despicable that antiga was a nominee for best map, and sad as well that dual sight was the other. For shame! Easily the worst, most inaccurate section of the awards.

Terminus?
Calm before the storm?
Crevasse?
Katrina?
Cloud kingdom?

All infinitely better picks imo.... I suppose you can argue for dual sight even though it was imbalanced because we saw some great games on it, but antiga shipyard is only good compared to all other blizzard maps. Compared to gsl and custom maps, antiga is garbage.

A shame, but the quality of the rest of the article makes up for it. Still, it's a detail I'd like to see improved in the future.
Antiga got on the list because it's the most balanced map statistically in the pool. For the players we spoke to, balance was a split between Daybreak and Antiga. Terminus is not a balanced map, and there are so many versions of it, with important changes it's impossible to pick one. Calm Before the Storm is too new to really qualify. Crevasse is an awful map, you must be joking. Katrina hasn't been played in a single major tournament and it's a remake of a BW map. Cloud Kingdom might be the map of 2012, who knows!

On January 02 2012 06:17 flagg wrote:
Was a lot of fun to read and thank you for doing it!


Best team of the year (international) seems a bit strange. IMO it should be either Mouse or FXO or IM.

There should be some kind of criteria. Is it a team with no Koreans? Is it a team that is controlled outside Korea? Is the result counted on individual basis or as a team? Is it any team with mixed Koreans and foreigners?

Now the criteria seem to be: team controlled outside of Korea with max 2 Koreans and only counting individual results.

Seems a bit far stretched to get the right winners in my opinion...

Edit: ...or just call it most popular team and be done with it

We viewed FXO as a Korean team because of it's participation in the GSTL and KSL, and it's merger with fOu. Teams that weren't GSTL regulars, nor made exclusively of Koreans (Team aLive, for example) were considered for the international award. We took teamleagues into account for the international award, but came to the conclusion that the foreign scene really lacks a teamleague that is up to the GSTL standard.

I can't speak for anyone else on this, but personally, I think eight teams is far too few for a teamleague, and that scheduling conflicts played too large a role in each teamleague to make the results too meaningful. Of course, however, I was cheering hard for Mousesports in the IPL TAC, and there's no denying that Liquid's defeat in that tournament was bad or that EG's absence in that event doesn't do them favors. But hopefully in 2012, we're going to have more team competition to factor into the equation.

Moreover, the award was called 'Team of the Year' and not 'Best Team at the End of the Year' or 'Best Team in Team Events'. Otherwise, FXO or SlayerS would've won the Korean award. No, I feel Team of the Year recognizes that teams do a lot more than just playing teamleagues. Teams play a big role in individual leagues as well, and in all kinds of extra curricular stuff. I think 'Team of the Year' is a much more broad designation than most people seem to feel it is.

And I didn't want to give Honorable Mentions at all, but obviously I didn't win that argument...

On January 02 2012 06:33 Avs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 06:29 EsMors wrote:
Very nice article! I agree on many points, but I can't understand why FOrGG is not one of the three players to watch in 2012.


Write for the foreign crowds on a site that caters primarily to that demographic. You don't really need their opinions anyways when you know whos who of the best and what to watch for.

The point was really to single out players who people wouldn't look at normally. I think everyone is going to be watching forGG, but it wouldn't have been so good of an article if I said; "Players to Watch For: forGG, MVP, MMA, GuMiHo, Bomber"
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
January 01 2012 21:51 GMT
#418
How come this isn't a Junkka awards?
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
WesleyLok
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada99 Posts
January 01 2012 22:01 GMT
#419
Didn't Teamliquid go like 0-9 in IPL team arena and ended up with 1-10 or something? How the hell are they "tied for team of the year" ???

Is it because this is their site and the writers aren't allowed to write otherwise?
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 01 2012 22:09 GMT
#420
On January 02 2012 07:01 WesleyLok wrote:
Didn't Teamliquid go like 0-9 in IPL team arena and ended up with 1-10 or something? How the hell are they "tied for team of the year" ???

Is it because this is their site and the writers aren't allowed to write otherwise?


Nah, it was mostly because of their singular awards and the foreign team events weren't weighted as heavily as those single awards. In the panel, I actually had Slayers/Mouz as my teams of the year, but I regressed my position when the term team of the year was defined. If it was strictly on team events, those would have been my two teams, but when you look at the players on said team and what team had the best players, etc. in singular competitions with team championships just a secondary plus, then IM romps for the Korean side and the International side is more hazy.

Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Fox116
Profile Joined April 2011
United States409 Posts
January 01 2012 22:15 GMT
#421
Thanks for the great read! Fighting Everyone!
Scarabs always going off in my head!
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
January 01 2012 22:16 GMT
#422
Amazing write-up!
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
flagg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden123 Posts
January 01 2012 22:20 GMT
#423
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 02 2012 06:45 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 05:18 -orb- wrote:
Awesome article, great read, but I find it absolutely despicable that antiga was a nominee for best map, and sad as well that dual sight was the other. For shame! Easily the worst, most inaccurate section of the awards.

Terminus?
Calm before the storm?
Crevasse?
Katrina?
Cloud kingdom?

All infinitely better picks imo.... I suppose you can argue for dual sight even though it was imbalanced because we saw some great games on it, but antiga shipyard is only good compared to all other blizzard maps. Compared to gsl and custom maps, antiga is garbage.

A shame, but the quality of the rest of the article makes up for it. Still, it's a detail I'd like to see improved in the future.
Antiga got on the list because it's the most balanced map statistically in the pool. For the players we spoke to, balance was a split between Daybreak and Antiga. Terminus is not a balanced map, and there are so many versions of it, with important changes it's impossible to pick one. Calm Before the Storm is too new to really qualify. Crevasse is an awful map, you must be joking. Katrina hasn't been played in a single major tournament and it's a remake of a BW map. Cloud Kingdom might be the map of 2012, who knows!

Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 06:17 flagg wrote:
Was a lot of fun to read and thank you for doing it!


Best team of the year (international) seems a bit strange. IMO it should be either Mouse or FXO or IM.

There should be some kind of criteria. Is it a team with no Koreans? Is it a team that is controlled outside Korea? Is the result counted on individual basis or as a team? Is it any team with mixed Koreans and foreigners?

Now the criteria seem to be: team controlled outside of Korea with max 2 Koreans and only counting individual results.

Seems a bit far stretched to get the right winners in my opinion...

Edit: ...or just call it most popular team and be done with it

We viewed FXO as a Korean team because of it's participation in the GSTL and KSL, and it's merger with fOu. Teams that weren't GSTL regulars, nor made exclusively of Koreans (Team aLive, for example) were considered for the international award. We took teamleagues into account for the international award, but came to the conclusion that the foreign scene really lacks a teamleague that is up to the GSTL standard.

I can't speak for anyone else on this, but personally, I think eight teams is far too few for a teamleague, and that scheduling conflicts played too large a role in each teamleague to make the results too meaningful. Of course, however, I was cheering hard for Mousesports in the IPL TAC, and there's no denying that Liquid's defeat in that tournament was bad or that EG's absence in that event doesn't do them favors. But hopefully in 2012, we're going to have more team competition to factor into the equation.

Moreover, the award was called 'Team of the Year' and not 'Best Team at the End of the Year' or 'Best Team in Team Events'. Otherwise, FXO or SlayerS would've won the Korean award. No, I feel Team of the Year recognizes that teams do a lot more than just playing teamleagues. Teams play a big role in individual leagues as well, and in all kinds of extra curricular stuff. I think 'Team of the Year' is a much more broad designation than most people seem to feel it is.

And I didn't want to give Honorable Mentions at all, but obviously I didn't win that argument...

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On January 02 2012 06:33 Avs wrote:
On January 02 2012 06:29 EsMors wrote:
Very nice article! I agree on many points, but I can't understand why FOrGG is not one of the three players to watch in 2012.


Write for the foreign crowds on a site that caters primarily to that demographic. You don't really need their opinions anyways when you know whos who of the best and what to watch for.

The point was really to single out players who people wouldn't look at normally. I think everyone is going to be watching forGG, but it wouldn't have been so good of an article if I said; "Players to Watch For: forGG, MVP, MMA, GuMiHo, Bomber"



Thanks for the answer!

I agree with most of what you wrote and I don’t want to bother you more.

Although it would have been fun if you replied with: There are only two foreigner teams, the other “teams” are only players with the same agent
SC_Smoker
Profile Joined May 2011
Austria16 Posts
January 01 2012 22:33 GMT
#424
Love the article!!!
LavendrGooms
Profile Joined May 2011
United States134 Posts
January 01 2012 22:36 GMT
#425
So awesome! Can't wait to see what 2012 has for eSports!
www.twitch.tv/lavendrgooms
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
January 01 2012 22:37 GMT
#426
Hail to the king baby. Here's to MVP dominating in 2012 as well!
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Holloworb
Profile Joined November 2011
Norway345 Posts
January 01 2012 22:41 GMT
#427
I enjoyed the writeup, was a good year for esports that i think caught the attention of alot of new people. Seeing how big the sc2 scene has become is really cool.


Reading the thread is also quite entertaining, so many people who are reposting stuff without taking arguments made earlier into account. Best team of 2011 could've been better defined in the OP, but it's amusing how some find the conclusion so controversial, especially after the criterias have been clarified.

SC2/Esports in 2012 Figthing!! May it keep on growing
NG_
Profile Joined December 2011
12 Posts
January 01 2012 22:51 GMT
#428
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Kitty4Cat
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada56 Posts
January 01 2012 22:58 GMT
#429
Nice article!

Non-player personality of the year : <3 Day9 <3

I totally agree with this statement!
"There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love." - Day[9]
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
January 01 2012 22:59 GMT
#430
In the end, it was just too close to call. In this category, we award the sole tie. That, and we don't want to pick TL and get yelled at by our readers for bias, or pick EG and get yelled at by our readers for meta-bias.


ah fuck, got yelled at for both
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NeonSky
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States46 Posts
January 01 2012 23:05 GMT
#431
This article was very well done for the most part, very thoughtful of TL to do a recap of the year like this to remind us of what has made StarCraft 2 and its fans gain so much in this last year.

However, I do have to disagree with the selection for "biggest news story". Naniwa incident was the most over-exposed and overreacted to story by far, but the actions which actually occurred are definitely dwarfed by stuff like the criminal actions of the organizers of PPSL.

Also, I think one of the real big stories that wasn't even included on here was when players publicly released information of their overdue pay and their discussion of which organizations fail in player treatment. Surprisingly, the issue really hadn't been brought to the public eye until then and it really highlights one of the most important things that needs that needs to be improved in 2012, which is more oversight and enforcement of proper player treatment and payment by tournament organizations and holding sponsors to their agreements promptly.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
January 01 2012 23:08 GMT
#432
Not a fan of daybreak winning map of the year. Maybe it's just bad luck on my part but MVP vs TOP game 1 is really the only outstanding game I can remember on that map. Perhaps somebody could give me some recommendations of great games played on it?
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 23:43:37
January 01 2012 23:11 GMT
#433
I'm sorry but TL is nowhere near as good as team as EG is, I would even argue that there are other teams that are better than TL aswell, like dignitas and mouz, they have better, more succesful players and better tournament results in general.

What exactly is this team award based on? because it definitely isn't success or player's skill? It seems like it's a popularity contest, in which case TL should obviously be the winner, but you don't hand out team awards based on popularity. Hell, even Empire posted better results than Liquid last year.

I think this is a general problem on TL.net, it's this blind bias for everything that is TL or related to TL, there were teams who did much better than TL last year but they get no credit whatsoever, no they don't even get nominated. Really, really disappointed.

User was warned for not reading the thread, where he would've discovered his question answered on the previous page.
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 23:18:52
January 01 2012 23:17 GMT
#434
On January 02 2012 08:11 doko100 wrote:
I'm sorry but TL is nowhere near as good as team as EG is, I would even argue that there are other teams that are better than TL aswell, like dignitas and mouz, they have better, more succesful players and better tournament results in general.

What exactly is this team award based on? because it definitely isn't success or player's skill? It seems like it's a popularity contest, in which case TL should obviously be the winner, but you don't hand out team awards based on popularity. Hell, even Empire posted better results than Liquid last year.

I think this is a general problem on TL.net, it's this blind bias for everything that is TL or related to TL, there were teams who did much better than TL last year but they get no credit whatsoever, no they don't even get nominated. Really, really disappointed.

Well, TL said that they didn't count the Team leagues because they think it's uncomparable with GSTL.
But now you can also say, hey, maybe they didn't want to count that, because they were pretty bad at those and mouz would have won. Which one is it now?
I have nothing against Teams who say they are the best, but then they can't call them not biased.
But whatever, they would have been always discussions and with whatever you choose, some people will always be unhappy
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 01 2012 23:26 GMT
#435
People need to stop taking these awards so seriously, jesus. It's just a little thing for fun.

Stop crying over Mouz not being nominated or " bias " and go make your own list in the blogs section, or better yet start your own sc2 community site and leave this one alone. When the TL awards are done on a grand stage with real trophies you can start complaining.
GleaM
Profile Joined June 2011
United States207 Posts
January 01 2012 23:28 GMT
#436
On January 01 2012 14:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:
ahhh will we have BW edition?


Winner for the best lol quote!
Sliver
Profile Joined April 2010
United States402 Posts
January 01 2012 23:29 GMT
#437
IdrA won over Destiny for most entertaining? What in the world? We all know IdrA is better but Destiny is so much more entertaining, which is why he gets so many viewers.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
January 01 2012 23:32 GMT
#438
On January 02 2012 08:11 doko100 wrote:
I'm sorry but TL is nowhere near as good as team as EG is, I would even argue that there are other teams that are better than TL aswell, like dignitas and mouz, they have better, more succesful players and better tournament results in general.


You could argue that, but that would only demonstrate your inability to actually count.

Again, for 10 months out of 12 months total in 2011, there wasn't a single team that came even CLOSE to matching TL's overall results. Then EG stepped it up in October, which is why the tie is somewhat justified. It's only barely justified if we're actually looking at the whole of 2011, but whatever let's call it justified. However to claim that Dignitas and mouz have better tournament results in general is just... I don't even know.

Don't call others biased and then proceed to completely disregard reality.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 01 2012 23:43 GMT
#439
On January 02 2012 08:17 Hardigan wrote:
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On January 02 2012 08:11 doko100 wrote:
I'm sorry but TL is nowhere near as good as team as EG is, I would even argue that there are other teams that are better than TL aswell, like dignitas and mouz, they have better, more succesful players and better tournament results in general.

What exactly is this team award based on? because it definitely isn't success or player's skill? It seems like it's a popularity contest, in which case TL should obviously be the winner, but you don't hand out team awards based on popularity. Hell, even Empire posted better results than Liquid last year.

I think this is a general problem on TL.net, it's this blind bias for everything that is TL or related to TL, there were teams who did much better than TL last year but they get no credit whatsoever, no they don't even get nominated. Really, really disappointed.

Well, TL said that they didn't count the Team leagues because they think it's uncomparable with GSTL.
But now you can also say, hey, maybe they didn't want to count that, because they were pretty bad at those and mouz would have won. Which one is it now?
I have nothing against Teams who say they are the best, but then they can't call them not biased.
But whatever, they would have been always discussions and with whatever you choose, some people will always be unhappy

Are you serious? A page earlier I said that we looked at the team leagues, but didn't think that they were important enough to override the fact that Liquid and EG dominated the individual medals table for 12 months. Do you understand that TL.net and TLAF-Liquid` are different entities? We didn't poll HayprO and TLO and from that decided that TL was the best. We had a bunch of people together, and we hashed it out, and figured there wasn't enough daylight between the teams that we could call a winner.

Please read the thread before saying dumb things.
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AIOL!
Profile Joined January 2011
France962 Posts
January 01 2012 23:50 GMT
#440
On January 02 2012 02:07 Thurken wrote:
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On January 01 2012 19:18 Hall0wed wrote:
MVP should have gotten most revolutionary, or maybe Twitch, but besides that everything is perfect. I guess you had to give Stephano something or else the fanboys may have revolted.


I kind of agree with you on the "mvp deserving the most revolutionary award". But I also think that Stephano deserved the Breakout performance of the year, while i think Huk deserves his foreign player of the year title. In early 2011, both Thorzain and Stephano were unknown to most on sc2 (good master players but no lan or online cup won) and a bit known on wc3 but without any big results. And at the end of 2011 Stephano's performance outshines Thorzain's one.
Maybe they meant "breakout performance...in a tournament during the year" and not "breakout performance...of the year" but that would be a strange choice.


Stephano was not a "good master player" in early 2011. In fact he used to be top 10 EU ladder since october 2010 (with the aka Sat) and he reached top 1 in early december with a very good ratio (like 75%). At this moment he started to do some online cups in order to not just be a "ladder hero". Then we know what happened: 4 sundayGo4sc2 in a row (at this moment the level of these weekly cups was really really high), some french lans won etc..

And Thorzain was known as a practice beast to.
Stephano!!!!!!/Nerchio/Mana/Hasuobs/Grubby/Kas/Tarson/Sarens/Goody/BeastyCury
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 00:02:35
January 02 2012 00:02 GMT
#441
I like article and graphics, very slick, Mousesports though could have gotten a mention between best foreign teams (as definitely best ''pure'' foreign team -.^
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 02 2012 00:08 GMT
#442
I don't understand what people are thinking when they post here. Jinro getting to RO4 in the GSL is still the best foreigner accomplishment to date and I see that alone as a good enough reason for TL to be considered team of the year.

Also classless comment by mouz. I don't know who runs that twitter but I don't like them.
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Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3454 Posts
January 02 2012 00:08 GMT
#443
Great award roundup!
To the writers: you guys rock.
To thread lurkers: hi.
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 00:22:06
January 02 2012 00:12 GMT
#444
Cool article. Lots of good stuff in it. Some random thoughts though:

- I litterally went O.O when I saw map nominees. What that good with antiga? And hasnt Dual Sight got a lot of those "isnt it time this map is removed from tournies" comments? And I also agree personally that it isnt THAT good of a map. Daybreak is fine, and also a good winner. Nominees should be, in my humble opinion, Metalopolis, TDA, Daybreak. Metal made it incredibly far even though its such an early made map. TDA is just an overall super solid map. Can hardly remember any complaints about it at all, and it even made it into the ladder pool, which is a feat in itself. Metal for overall 2011 performance, TDA for being super solid and making it into the ladder pool, Daybreak for producing awesome (the best?) games.
- MCs ceremony is so awesome!
- Slightly disappointed with the choice of the word "entertaining" about Idra. He sure deserves to be on the list for something, but im not sure if its for his "entertainment value".
- Somewhat agree with the point made earlier about team EG/TL/Mouz. Dont need to repeat it.
- Very much disagreeing with MMA-DRG as best game. I know a lot of people probably will disagree with me, but I was very disappointed by MMA not making a single ghost. 2-3 ghosts could have decided the game much earlier, or even better, had MMA "went MVP" on DRG and made 10, 15 or even 20 ghosts, i dont think the game would have been close. I think people are somewhat blinded by it being the deciding game 7 of the best SC2 final (which it should probably get an award for!). To me, TOP - MVP is probably the winner of best game (imagine that game being game 7 of a GSL final.....omfg), possibly rivaled by Nestea - sC.
- And yep, really looking forward to see TITAN in action 2012!
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
January 02 2012 00:15 GMT
#445
Excellent article, great combined effort from a lot of writers, all good.
I got nothin'...
Cush
Profile Joined September 2010
United States646 Posts
January 02 2012 00:17 GMT
#446
On January 02 2012 07:01 WesleyLok wrote:
Didn't Teamliquid go like 0-9 in IPL team arena and ended up with 1-10 or something? How the hell are they "tied for team of the year" ???

Is it because this is their site and the writers aren't allowed to write otherwise?

That happend at the end of the year. Look at their past achivements.
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gn0m
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden302 Posts
January 02 2012 00:22 GMT
#447
Nice write up!
On January 02 2012 08:28 GleaM wrote:
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On January 01 2012 14:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:
ahhh will we have BW edition?


Winner for the best lol quote!

What?
-_-
WesleyLok
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada99 Posts
January 02 2012 00:36 GMT
#448
I think the most entertaining player award should have had more merit on actual in-game entertainment instead of just idra getting it for raging the most.

Marineking put on some insanely entertaining and fun games. Any game with marine king was entertaining.
bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
January 02 2012 00:36 GMT
#449
Whaa? Thorzain isn't as big a surprise as Leenock winning MLG, then coming in 2nd at GSL. TSL3 isn't nearly as big an event as either of the other two, so biggest breakout is defined in part by the grandeur of the event as well.
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storm44
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 00:56:32
January 02 2012 00:56 GMT
#450
On January 02 2012 09:36 bruteMax wrote:
Whaa? Thorzain isn't as big a surprise as Leenock winning MLG, then coming in 2nd at GSL. TSL3 isn't nearly as big an event as either of the other two, so biggest breakout is defined in part by the grandeur of the event as well.


Tzain was relatively unknown prior to tsl, leenock wasn't
BigLighthouse
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom424 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 06:46:06
January 02 2012 01:19 GMT
#451
Good write up general, lots of effort to be commended.. but

You guys DID kinda fuck Mouz for best international team.. given that theyve dominated EG and TL in all the teamleagues this year. If you want to measure a team then surely the teamleagues are the best place to go. Jesus, even Empire did better in this respect this year.

And as far as "1on1" stuff.. sure they might not have quite as many 1st places, but the sheer amount of 2nd places MaNa alone has is impressive. Its not like Mouz fails on LAN, the form they show in the teamleagues is consistant with their play in big events.

Also as a side note, just my opinion that i think hasnt been articulated regarding performance of a particular player as part of one team or another. In the case of Huk, because he's the easiest example, not a dig at any teams in particular: Even if he won an event while on Liquid early in the year, the fact that they lost that player to another team means his accomplishments for them are reduced. Great, you picked up a championship with a guy, that was great, but you know what? He left you. You LOST a star player, and that is a tally against that people seem to ignore in these cases.
In fact this type of debate is why teamleagues really should be more of an important factor in your decision making process, because the line is slightly blurry when its individual success; Its more apparantly theirs than the teams.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 01:51:50
January 02 2012 01:26 GMT
#452
On January 02 2012 08:43 tree.hugger wrote:

A page earlier I said that we looked at the team leagues, but didn't think that they were important enough to override the fact that Liquid and EG dominated the individual medals table for 12 months.


That's why when I wrote my response to the article I said quote end quote team leagues. Yes, it's very bush league and WGTour Clan League had less bullshit and more prominence. As for the Individual Leagues, er it's even hard for me to say any team really dominated. If we're talking about the top twelve to ten players to place in each tournament then sure. It's even hard for me to say IM and Slayer's at the same time if we're talking about who won, won.

That's why we have individual titles for best player. A team incorporates much more than just individual results and we have to look at the full picture opposed to just the pieces. ;/

If we're talking solely about exposure then TL will always be at the top of the list because of the content.

Looking over the other teams that have done well is a pretty big dis.
Regime
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia185 Posts
January 02 2012 01:32 GMT
#453
huk leaving TL was way bigger than naniwa... and a tie between EG and TL no way EG wins hands down bigger names more success
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
January 02 2012 01:34 GMT
#454
I totally agree with these decisions, great stuff.
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soulist
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States932 Posts
January 02 2012 01:37 GMT
#455
To the people that think that mouz should be team of the year, ill prove why they are not:

TL: Blizzard EU, Dreamhack Winter, Dreamhack Summer, HSC3
EG: IPL1, MLG Orlando, MLG North America Invitational, IEM Guangzhou, Asus ROG, IEM Cologne, NASL Season 2
Mouz: TSL3, EGMC Season 5, EGMC Season 6

So as you can see, mouz achievements dont stack up to tl's achievements and certaintly not eg's achievements. Mouz is just not cut out for the lan tournaments, where all the money and fame is at. If they want to be best team of the year in 2012, they need to win lan events.

Evil Geniuses<3
soulist
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States932 Posts
January 02 2012 01:40 GMT
#456
On January 02 2012 10:32 Regime wrote:
huk leaving TL was way bigger than naniwa... and a tie between EG and TL no way EG wins hands down bigger names more success


I don't think huk leaving TL was bigger because with the naniwa controversy, it had several different aspects involved with it, there was the drama of mlg involved, naniwa switching teams, controversy between mlg and gomtv, how gomtv reacted, do we blame gomtv for having a shitty system? So many problems raised from just that one event.
Evil Geniuses<3
thehepp
Profile Joined December 2011
United States67 Posts
January 02 2012 01:46 GMT
#457
IdrA video made me rofl so much. Well written and excellent video about IdrA
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
January 02 2012 02:00 GMT
#458
Awesome writeup. Happy new year everyone. May 2012 bring Esports to ever higher levels.
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enigamI
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada385 Posts
January 02 2012 02:02 GMT
#459
Very fun to read write up, thanks a lot!
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 02 2012 02:04 GMT
#460
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)
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pAzand
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden539 Posts
January 02 2012 02:33 GMT
#461
I'm glad you didn't try to put all the people in this thread in the same room to make this list up. Just hundreds of people shouting out their own opinions with very selective memory, would have taken forever...

I loved the article but staying awake skimming through this thread just makes me want to shoot myself+ Show Spoiler +
and people believing that EG-Mouz was a bigger rivalry than EG-Liquid with me
..

Biggest achievement of the year goes to Liquid'Jinro imho, haven't cheered like I did for him in Season 1 for anything else than Arsenal before! Here's to a Great year of Starcraft and a great year here on TL. Cheers!

If you can chill.. Chill!
pseudocalm
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada98 Posts
January 02 2012 02:34 GMT
#462
♥♥♥ tl
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Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
January 02 2012 02:43 GMT
#463
Such an incredible writeup! Read every word :D

On a personal note, thank you so much for the award!!!! I was feeling a little down on mahself, and this writeup came totally out of the blue and made me be like "C:"

TY TL! :D :D :D
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 02 2012 02:45 GMT
#464
For Kiwikaki, you forgot the double gate zealot after a ffe :D
It's quite clever so i thought it could be worthy to mention
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Oddslynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Australia34 Posts
January 02 2012 02:47 GMT
#465
SlayersDragon should have been given some consideration for most entertaining player. I'm always smiling when I watch him play.
TheBamf
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark366 Posts
January 02 2012 02:47 GMT
#466
Though I strongly disagree with some of the winners I still found the thread really nice. It took me back throughout the last couple of months (you left out a lot of stuff or almost all of the stuff of the first half of the year) and I enjoyed the ride : )
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Etienne
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany27 Posts
January 02 2012 03:15 GMT
#467
Some of this Awards are so wrong... Mostly Liquid gets most of the Awards cause it's from Liquid.. hmm
Well but gratulations to the winners
Currently working for .. nothing :(
Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
January 02 2012 03:54 GMT
#468
well written. However, imo the awards had a heavy foreign bias and I strongly disagree with a lot of the winners. But we are the foreign community so i guess that's understandable.
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
January 02 2012 04:09 GMT
#469
Can I get a wallpaper version of this:



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DueSs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States765 Posts
January 02 2012 04:43 GMT
#470
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 06:06:49
January 02 2012 05:23 GMT
#471
On January 02 2012 06:45 tree.hugger wrote:
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On January 02 2012 05:18 -orb- wrote:
Awesome article, great read, but I find it absolutely despicable that antiga was a nominee for best map, and sad as well that dual sight was the other. For shame! Easily the worst, most inaccurate section of the awards.

Terminus?
Calm before the storm?
Crevasse?
Katrina?
Cloud kingdom?

All infinitely better picks imo.... I suppose you can argue for dual sight even though it was imbalanced because we saw some great games on it, but antiga shipyard is only good compared to all other blizzard maps. Compared to gsl and custom maps, antiga is garbage.

A shame, but the quality of the rest of the article makes up for it. Still, it's a detail I'd like to see improved in the future.
Antiga got on the list because it's the most balanced map statistically in the pool. For the players we spoke to, balance was a split between Daybreak and Antiga. Terminus is not a balanced map, and there are so many versions of it, with important changes it's impossible to pick one. Calm Before the Storm is too new to really qualify. Crevasse is an awful map, you must be joking. Katrina hasn't been played in a single major tournament and it's a remake of a BW map. Cloud Kingdom might be the map of 2012, who knows!

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On January 02 2012 06:17 flagg wrote:
Was a lot of fun to read and thank you for doing it!


Best team of the year (international) seems a bit strange. IMO it should be either Mouse or FXO or IM.

There should be some kind of criteria. Is it a team with no Koreans? Is it a team that is controlled outside Korea? Is the result counted on individual basis or as a team? Is it any team with mixed Koreans and foreigners?

Now the criteria seem to be: team controlled outside of Korea with max 2 Koreans and only counting individual results.

Seems a bit far stretched to get the right winners in my opinion...

Edit: ...or just call it most popular team and be done with it

We viewed FXO as a Korean team because of it's participation in the GSTL and KSL, and it's merger with fOu. Teams that weren't GSTL regulars, nor made exclusively of Koreans (Team aLive, for example) were considered for the international award. We took teamleagues into account for the international award, but came to the conclusion that the foreign scene really lacks a teamleague that is up to the GSTL standard.

I can't speak for anyone else on this, but personally, I think eight teams is far too few for a teamleague, and that scheduling conflicts played too large a role in each teamleague to make the results too meaningful. Of course, however, I was cheering hard for Mousesports in the IPL TAC, and there's no denying that Liquid's defeat in that tournament was bad or that EG's absence in that event doesn't do them favors. But hopefully in 2012, we're going to have more team competition to factor into the equation.

Moreover, the award was called 'Team of the Year' and not 'Best Team at the End of the Year' or 'Best Team in Team Events'. Otherwise, FXO or SlayerS would've won the Korean award. No, I feel Team of the Year recognizes that teams do a lot more than just playing teamleagues. Teams play a big role in individual leagues as well, and in all kinds of extra curricular stuff. I think 'Team of the Year' is a much more broad designation than most people seem to feel it is.

And I didn't want to give Honorable Mentions at all, but obviously I didn't win that argument...

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On January 02 2012 06:33 Avs wrote:
On January 02 2012 06:29 EsMors wrote:
Very nice article! I agree on many points, but I can't understand why FOrGG is not one of the three players to watch in 2012.


Write for the foreign crowds on a site that caters primarily to that demographic. You don't really need their opinions anyways when you know whos who of the best and what to watch for.

The point was really to single out players who people wouldn't look at normally. I think everyone is going to be watching forGG, but it wouldn't have been so good of an article if I said; "Players to Watch For: forGG, MVP, MMA, GuMiHo, Bomber"


You really think Crevasse is such a bad map that I must be joking? I most certainly am not joking. Crevasse was a revolutionary map that really improved the map scene overall in sc2. More expansions, interesting attack paths, actual interesting usage of destructable rocks (the first partial block on a ramp like that too iirc which is used all the time now), the first map with an in-base expansion, etc. It was one of the best maps ever in SC2 specifically because the in-base expansion with its rich vespene geyser allowed excellent players to prepare specific builds for that map that would give them an edge. It allowed a ton of creativity, and it wasn't that poorly balanced.

One of the best maps in the history of SC2. I find it comical that you seem to think it's so atrocious.

And actually looking at the statistics, it's one of the most balanced maps to date.... what rock have you been living under that you think it's such a garbage map?
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
Sipher
Profile Joined January 2011
United States333 Posts
January 02 2012 05:32 GMT
#472
Thanks for the great read (and videos...loved seeing those celebrations again).

Also, reading through these comments made me lol
ABAH
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia43 Posts
January 02 2012 05:37 GMT
#473
Great article, summed things up nicely, wouldn't have minded a mention of mouz sports though. They've been ever present and often don't quite get the air time they deserve.

Would love to see a Team Liquid players top 10 moments of the year as well.

<3 TL
reapers still do ~18 dmg per second against light ppl
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
January 02 2012 06:06 GMT
#474
On January 02 2012 09:36 bruteMax wrote:
Whaa? Thorzain isn't as big a surprise as Leenock winning MLG, then coming in 2nd at GSL. TSL3 isn't nearly as big an event as either of the other two, so biggest breakout is defined in part by the grandeur of the event as well.



Anyone who had watched Leenock play in GSL would have seen that he was incredibly talented with decent results. It was only time before those decent results turned into something bigger. Him breaking out would not really be a surprise to many.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 06:09:04
January 02 2012 06:08 GMT
#475
On January 02 2012 15:06 Takezou wrote:
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On January 02 2012 09:36 bruteMax wrote:
Whaa? Thorzain isn't as big a surprise as Leenock winning MLG, then coming in 2nd at GSL. TSL3 isn't nearly as big an event as either of the other two, so biggest breakout is defined in part by the grandeur of the event as well.



Anyone who had watched Leenock play in GSL would have seen that he was incredibly talented with decent results. It was only time before those decent results turned into something bigger. Him breaking out would not really be a surprise to many.


Anyone who watches the korean weekly saw him as well. He certainly didn't come out of nowhere except to people not in tune with the korean scene
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
January 02 2012 06:36 GMT
#476
Great article but I thought the descriptions of the "worst drama" nominees were kind of tasteless and out of context. The one about Jessica actually WAS a serious case, it's just difficult to grasp how different that kind of topic is in Korea and the States.
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 07:31:22
January 02 2012 07:26 GMT
#477
On January 02 2012 03:40 Kennigit wrote:
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On January 02 2012 00:33 Thorzain wrote:
mouz doesn't have any korean mercenaries!!

They have Swedish mercenaries picked up right before major title wins ;o

lolol :D

nice writeup and congrats to the winners. happy new year

sad to see tasteless and artosis not getting awards tho

team of the year imo goes strongly to EG. better content, more stuff going on with announcements (aswell as announcements of announcements), more achievements and their players being in the spotlight alot more than TL xD
not to mention their great international pro house and their recent travel to slayers house
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 02 2012 07:29 GMT
#478
On January 02 2012 13:43 DueSs wrote:
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On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?

not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.
its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.
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MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
January 02 2012 07:33 GMT
#479
On January 02 2012 16:29 IdrA wrote:
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On January 02 2012 13:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?

not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.
its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.

hey greg ur team sounds pretty sweet, ill join for 4k a month
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
January 02 2012 07:33 GMT
#480
On January 02 2012 15:08 -orb- wrote:
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On January 02 2012 15:06 Takezou wrote:
On January 02 2012 09:36 bruteMax wrote:
Whaa? Thorzain isn't as big a surprise as Leenock winning MLG, then coming in 2nd at GSL. TSL3 isn't nearly as big an event as either of the other two, so biggest breakout is defined in part by the grandeur of the event as well.



Anyone who had watched Leenock play in GSL would have seen that he was incredibly talented with decent results. It was only time before those decent results turned into something bigger. Him breaking out would not really be a surprise to many.


Anyone who watches the korean weekly saw him as well. He certainly didn't come out of nowhere except to people not in tune with the korean scene


Meh, I had my eye on Leenock even when he was failing in Code A, but when I watched him (heck, when I still watch him) I keep dreaming of Leenock in 2 years or so.

To me, a Leenock fan, seeing him make the grand finals of a GSL, win an MLG and be generally accepted as one of the best zergs in the world in the space of a couple of months is a shock.

However, Thorzain definitely is more surprising than Leenock. Leenock's growth is what's surprising, but he had some good games even last year and people already had expectations for the future for him. Thorzain on the other hand...well as the article says, most people were probably saying "Who?" the entire time through TSL3. And now he's one of the most respected terran players from Europe.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 02 2012 07:34 GMT
#481
On January 02 2012 16:33 MorroW wrote:
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On January 02 2012 16:29 IdrA wrote:
On January 02 2012 13:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?

not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.
its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.

hey greg ur team sounds pretty sweet, ill join for 4k a month

egs a poor team we cant afford that
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darkyaourt
Profile Joined April 2011
France28 Posts
January 02 2012 07:37 GMT
#482
Great read, very entertainning.

Happy new year !
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
January 02 2012 07:39 GMT
#483
Nice write-up!!
Blackhawk13
Profile Joined April 2010
United States442 Posts
January 02 2012 08:06 GMT
#484
interesting writing =) happy new years tl
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
January 02 2012 08:26 GMT
#485
I nominate this song for most fitting to SC2 event in 2011. The event in question should be obvious. (DH winter)
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If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
CakeMaster
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada65 Posts
January 02 2012 08:53 GMT
#486
On January 02 2012 05:40 Phayt wrote:
A twitter rivalry does not compare to legit rivalry between players at major tournaments

I don't understand how anyone could think it does

Speaking of twitter that is kind of a classless comment from mousesports. It is entirely expected that forum posters will bicker about this kind of thing, but I don't see why they would want to participate in that silliness


Im not bickering, its more of a statement. I just wanted to show it... and add some words of my own. For fans the EG-TL Rivalry would be the top, but if it were a rivalry between players and owners (of the team) it would be EG-Mouz.
EG.HuK Fighting!
Suichoy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada397 Posts
January 02 2012 08:57 GMT
#487
Boxer wanted to recruit DRG? Can someone please link where this was revealed?
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 09:08:47
January 02 2012 09:07 GMT
#488
On January 02 2012 16:34 IdrA wrote:
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On January 02 2012 16:33 MorroW wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:29 IdrA wrote:
On January 02 2012 13:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?

not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.
its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.

hey greg ur team sounds pretty sweet, ill join for 4k a month

egs a poor team we cant afford that


at least not anymore, after HuK + IdrA + Puma + JYP took up the four 4k positions EG had...
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
Dumboprime
Profile Joined March 2011
985 Posts
January 02 2012 09:36 GMT
#489
great reading!
bikefrog
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway451 Posts
January 02 2012 09:37 GMT
#490
Cult9
Foreigners fighting! Ovethrow our Korean overlords!
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
January 02 2012 09:40 GMT
#491
Awesome write up.
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bro_fenix
Profile Joined February 2010
United States132 Posts
January 02 2012 09:52 GMT
#492
Very Cool summary of 2011! Day[9] is the man, and Huk totally deserved best foreigner.
Life isnt about waiting for the storm to pass... Its about learning to dance in the rain.
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 10:15:19
January 02 2012 10:14 GMT
#493
On January 02 2012 18:07 Junichi wrote:
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On January 02 2012 16:34 IdrA wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:33 MorroW wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:29 IdrA wrote:
On January 02 2012 13:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?

not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.
its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.

hey greg ur team sounds pretty sweet, ill join for 4k a month

egs a poor team we cant afford that


at least not anymore, after HuK + IdrA + Puma + JYP took up the four 4k positions EG had...

4k you say
on-topic: nice post, liked it ;P
Chun-li since ST
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
January 02 2012 10:27 GMT
#494
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)


Yeah? I have not seen anything comparable to tl.net by EG. EG is the more successful team though. So in this regard a tie is okay.
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Ghostface_Killa
Profile Joined March 2011
United States168 Posts
January 02 2012 10:36 GMT
#495
I still can't get over that Idra video.
Arrested for what, baby? Being awesome?
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6929 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 10:48:31
January 02 2012 10:42 GMT
#496
SHOWMATCH


Teamliquid vs Evil Geniuses

Best of Eleven - All Kill Format

Casting: Tastosis or Day9 + Husky or Total Apollo / D Biscuit

Prizepool: Team of the Year Award + Honor + People who wanna donate maybe



PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN



There can only be one

Even better, make it a best of 15, so that the whole teams can play to get a good reding of who is better

Edit: Nice writeup, gratz to all Awardwinners, you deserve it, and keep doing what you're doing
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
January 02 2012 10:46 GMT
#497
On January 02 2012 11:43 Day[9] wrote:
Such an incredible writeup! Read every word :D

On a personal note, thank you so much for the award!!!! I was feeling a little down on mahself, and this writeup came totally out of the blue and made me be like "C:"

TY TL! :D :D :D

Down on yourself!? How can someone who could command a thousand nerds to build a castle out of Spaghetti ever be down on himself!
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
January 02 2012 10:47 GMT
#498
On January 02 2012 19:42 Harris1st wrote:
SHOWMATCH


Teamliquid vs Evil Geniuses

Best of Eleven - All Kill Format

Casting: Tastosis or Day9 + Husky or Total Apollo / D Biscuit

Prizepool: Team of the Year Award + Honor + People who wanna donate maybe



PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN



There can only be one

Edit: Nice writeup, gratz to all Awardwinners, you deserve it, and keep doing what you're doing

NO MENTION OF MOUZ?!

Mouz can do a viewer count for them maybe
Latty
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany567 Posts
January 02 2012 10:49 GMT
#499
i dont know why all you guys discuss the awards? i think this is a unique "eSports" thing to complain about everything everywhere everytime. never saw or read discussions and comments about other awards like oscar, nobel prize, other sports awards. ... the internet is a weird place

but to reflect the year i made my own awards:

Douche of the Year: Naniwa
Team hurting eSport the most: EG - because in other Sports the "throw money at people" behavior already caused problems and created disgusting leagues and results.

In the German Ultra Scene for Football we would say saying: "Statt Gier und Kommerz, Spieler mit Herz!"
transalted: Instead of greed and commerce, a player with heart.
"Nice, *claps* gogo kill kill, yeah bane speed, nice EU Power" Dimaga
Qrux
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia5 Posts
January 02 2012 10:52 GMT
#500
DAY9 YEW. congrats. Good read.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6929 Posts
January 02 2012 10:52 GMT
#501
Sure, throw Mouz in as well, but i'm not sure if people can take this much epicness at once without running in circles all day saying : OMG OMG OMG SO EPIC, TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE DAMAGEEEE !
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
January 02 2012 10:55 GMT
#502
On January 02 2012 19:49 Latty wrote:
i dont know why all you guys discuss the awards? i think this is a unique "eSports" thing to complain about everything everywhere everytime. never saw or read discussions and comments about other awards like oscar, nobel prize, other sports awards. ... the internet is a weird place

but to reflect the year i made my own awards:

Douche of the Year: Naniwa
Team hurting eSport the most: EG - because in other Sports the "throw money at people" behavior already caused problems and created disgusting leagues and results.

In the German Ultra Scene for Football we would say saying: "Statt Gier und Kommerz, Spieler mit Herz!"
transalted: Instead of greed and commerce, a player with heart.

So your awards insult people? Great.

You think people don't complain about the Oscars or pro sports awards? Apparently you must live in a bubble. Any award ever given will be hotly debated by die hard fans unless it is a situation where the best person is so much better than the competition in every way that it can't even be debated.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 02 2012 10:55 GMT
#503
On January 02 2012 19:42 Harris1st wrote:
SHOWMATCH


Teamliquid vs Evil Geniuses

Best of Eleven - All Kill Format

Casting: Tastosis or Day9 + Husky or Total Apollo / D Biscuit

Prizepool: Team of the Year Award + Honor + People who wanna donate maybe



PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN



There can only be one

Even better, make it a best of 15, so that the whole teams can play to get a good reding of who is better

Edit: Nice writeup, gratz to all Awardwinners, you deserve it, and keep doing what you're doing

This might be necessary.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Milvus
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland400 Posts
January 02 2012 11:03 GMT
#504
Great article! Well thought out picks as well! Casters deserve a category in there as well next year.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
January 02 2012 11:04 GMT
#505
On January 02 2012 19:55 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:42 Harris1st wrote:
SHOWMATCH


Teamliquid vs Evil Geniuses

Best of Eleven - All Kill Format

Casting: Tastosis or Day9 + Husky or Total Apollo / D Biscuit

Prizepool: Team of the Year Award + Honor + People who wanna donate maybe



PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN



There can only be one

Even better, make it a best of 15, so that the whole teams can play to get a good reding of who is better

Edit: Nice writeup, gratz to all Awardwinners, you deserve it, and keep doing what you're doing

This might be necessary.

+winner team gets to play SaSe
twinkiehouse
Profile Joined June 2011
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 11:16:28
January 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#506
great write up!

however keen has now been robbed twice, and i am enraged.

jpank
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States23 Posts
January 02 2012 11:26 GMT
#507
imo:

Tl's really in between a rock and a hard place. One of the great things about TeamLiquid is the website and the life they breathe into esports with the website. As such though it's difficult for them to do awesome articles like these because they're a participating competing team. Whether it's difficult because of there own bias or because of their audience's assumed bias is irrelevant; it's there, regardless in the former or latter.

But what's a team? That topics been hash over and over but Idra has it right:
team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.


I love the team leagues and I hope the foreign scene makes a strong home for it in 2012. However SC2 is not designed as a team oriented sport, such as football or baseball; it's player verse player, mano a mano. Arguably the team leagues are pseudonym as the battles are still 1v1 and not 2's/3's/4's. That issue makes deciding "Best Team" much more difficult and arguably undecidable. What exactly are you judging on? Results are surely influential, but it's not just about the individual (the antithesis of "team). It seems it should be about the team itself. What do we think when we hear "SlayerS" or "ACE". Why are players proud to put on the clan tag of one team and what does it mean to represent one or the other?

I think attacking this article for the team rivarly elements a tad foolish, although TL didn't do its self any favors not adding in Mouz at least to the nominations. Other than the team leagues it seems a majority of people (imo) agree they don't neccesarily win out on the issue but you still gotta give props where its due; life's still highschool no matter where you go.

Gj TL, loved the article and all you do. GG 2011. GLHF 2012. (Eg, you're cool. I'm a TL guy, but you're ok.)
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I read through 25 pages of this stuff because I was looking for one simple post. I felt I earned the right to post.+ Show Spoiler +
Naniwa really comes off like a total jerk to me. Imo. And Idra came off as really mature. Go figure.
skyrunner
Profile Joined August 2009
371 Posts
January 02 2012 11:28 GMT
#508
On January 02 2012 20:04 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:55 Plexa wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:42 Harris1st wrote:
SHOWMATCH


Teamliquid vs Evil Geniuses

Best of Eleven - All Kill Format

Casting: Tastosis or Day9 + Husky or Total Apollo / D Biscuit

Prizepool: Team of the Year Award + Honor + People who wanna donate maybe



PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN



There can only be one

Even better, make it a best of 15, so that the whole teams can play to get a good reding of who is better

Edit: Nice writeup, gratz to all Awardwinners, you deserve it, and keep doing what you're doing

This might be necessary.

+winner team gets to play SaSe

Zing!

SaSe for team of the year hahaha :D


Great write-up btw. and i didn't take the awards so seriously
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
January 02 2012 11:38 GMT
#509
Why do people say EG "bought" all of their players like it's a horrible team and that TL is not like that at all??
Idra - was on a team with everybody on EG before he went to korea (and I think after still too) is really good friends with them. When he leaves CJ to play SC2, EG is an obvious choice for him.
JYP is the same story as idra... old teammate of Puma, had no team, Puma gets him to join EG.
Sure you could say they "bought" Puma/Huk, but I'm neither of them were getting anywhere near as much as EG gives, and is that a bad thing to want players to make a lot of money?

Now lets look at TL...
tyler/Nony wasn't really on a team, was on estro for a bit, came home to finish school/get married and whatever, wins TSL2 and gets signed by TL.
Sheth was on FXO, playing super well. The instant TL hears he is leaving FXO they sign him.
Ret was on LowLandLions (I think that's who it was at the time) was playing well, everybody knew he was a beast, TL signs him from there.
Hero and Zenio, both on oGs and TL signs them both.

How are these 2 teams different other than the fact that EG has more money to offer players when they sign them?
Wahaha
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
January 02 2012 11:43 GMT
#510
The only award I thought was unjustified was for MC's murloc ceremony. Giving it to MC for the taunting Idra at MLG Orlando would have been perfectly fine but the murloc hoodie didn't even deserve to be in the same category as the rest of the nominees.

Also, qxc throwing his bandana in the crowd after all-killing IM?
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 12:00:16
January 02 2012 11:57 GMT
#511
On January 02 2012 20:38 aike wrote:
Why do people say EG "bought" all of their players like it's a horrible team and that TL is not like that at all??

Now lets look at TL...
tyler/Nony wasn't really on a team, was on estro for a bit, came home to finish school/get married and whatever, wins TSL2 and gets signed by TL.
Sheth was on FXO, playing super well. The instant TL hears he is leaving FXO they sign him.
Ret was on LowLandLions (I think that's who it was at the time) was playing well, everybody knew he was a beast, TL signs him from there.
Hero and Zenio, both on oGs and TL signs them both.

How are these 2 teams different other than the fact that EG has more money to offer players when they sign them?


Pretty sure it was Liquid'Nony that won TSL2. Sheth and Ret were natural picks as BW oldtimers who knew each other and the rest of the team very well (Sheth had nothing in common with FXO anyway, he is a Root player, and sadly there is no more Root). Hero and Zenio lived with TL members for several years - TL so far has only signed oGs players from Korea, and only when it was a move that everyone wanted.

In fact, Huk is the ONLY player TL signed that didn't have any real connection to the team from before he was signed. And we all know how that turned out, so yeah...

Having more money IS the difference. It creates unfair competition. It's why we can't have more actual Starcraft teams like Liquid and Root.

A lot of fans wants to see teams compete in Starcraft, not in how successful they are as a business or who can spend more. It boggles my mind how people fail to understand this reasoning (whether they agree with it or not). It's as hard as trying to explain to some people why capitalism is, in fact, not the best thing since sliced bread. -_-
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 12:05:53
January 02 2012 12:04 GMT
#512
On January 02 2012 14:23 -orb- wrote:
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On January 02 2012 06:45 tree.hugger wrote:
On January 02 2012 05:18 -orb- wrote:
Awesome article, great read, but I find it absolutely despicable that antiga was a nominee for best map, and sad as well that dual sight was the other. For shame! Easily the worst, most inaccurate section of the awards.

Terminus?
Calm before the storm?
Crevasse?
Katrina?
Cloud kingdom?

All infinitely better picks imo.... I suppose you can argue for dual sight even though it was imbalanced because we saw some great games on it, but antiga shipyard is only good compared to all other blizzard maps. Compared to gsl and custom maps, antiga is garbage.

A shame, but the quality of the rest of the article makes up for it. Still, it's a detail I'd like to see improved in the future.
Antiga got on the list because it's the most balanced map statistically in the pool. For the players we spoke to, balance was a split between Daybreak and Antiga. Terminus is not a balanced map, and there are so many versions of it, with important changes it's impossible to pick one. Calm Before the Storm is too new to really qualify. Crevasse is an awful map, you must be joking. Katrina hasn't been played in a single major tournament and it's a remake of a BW map. Cloud Kingdom might be the map of 2012, who knows!

On January 02 2012 06:17 flagg wrote:
Was a lot of fun to read and thank you for doing it!


Best team of the year (international) seems a bit strange. IMO it should be either Mouse or FXO or IM.

There should be some kind of criteria. Is it a team with no Koreans? Is it a team that is controlled outside Korea? Is the result counted on individual basis or as a team? Is it any team with mixed Koreans and foreigners?

Now the criteria seem to be: team controlled outside of Korea with max 2 Koreans and only counting individual results.

Seems a bit far stretched to get the right winners in my opinion...

Edit: ...or just call it most popular team and be done with it

We viewed FXO as a Korean team because of it's participation in the GSTL and KSL, and it's merger with fOu. Teams that weren't GSTL regulars, nor made exclusively of Koreans (Team aLive, for example) were considered for the international award. We took teamleagues into account for the international award, but came to the conclusion that the foreign scene really lacks a teamleague that is up to the GSTL standard.

I can't speak for anyone else on this, but personally, I think eight teams is far too few for a teamleague, and that scheduling conflicts played too large a role in each teamleague to make the results too meaningful. Of course, however, I was cheering hard for Mousesports in the IPL TAC, and there's no denying that Liquid's defeat in that tournament was bad or that EG's absence in that event doesn't do them favors. But hopefully in 2012, we're going to have more team competition to factor into the equation.

Moreover, the award was called 'Team of the Year' and not 'Best Team at the End of the Year' or 'Best Team in Team Events'. Otherwise, FXO or SlayerS would've won the Korean award. No, I feel Team of the Year recognizes that teams do a lot more than just playing teamleagues. Teams play a big role in individual leagues as well, and in all kinds of extra curricular stuff. I think 'Team of the Year' is a much more broad designation than most people seem to feel it is.

And I didn't want to give Honorable Mentions at all, but obviously I didn't win that argument...

On January 02 2012 06:33 Avs wrote:
On January 02 2012 06:29 EsMors wrote:
Very nice article! I agree on many points, but I can't understand why FOrGG is not one of the three players to watch in 2012.


Write for the foreign crowds on a site that caters primarily to that demographic. You don't really need their opinions anyways when you know whos who of the best and what to watch for.

The point was really to single out players who people wouldn't look at normally. I think everyone is going to be watching forGG, but it wouldn't have been so good of an article if I said; "Players to Watch For: forGG, MVP, MMA, GuMiHo, Bomber"


You really think Crevasse is such a bad map that I must be joking? I most certainly am not joking. Crevasse was a revolutionary map that really improved the map scene overall in sc2. More expansions, interesting attack paths, actual interesting usage of destructable rocks (the first partial block on a ramp like that too iirc which is used all the time now), the first map with an in-base expansion, etc. It was one of the best maps ever in SC2 specifically because the in-base expansion with its rich vespene geyser allowed excellent players to prepare specific builds for that map that would give them an edge. It allowed a ton of creativity, and it wasn't that poorly balanced.

One of the best maps in the history of SC2. I find it comical that you seem to think it's so atrocious.

And actually looking at the statistics, it's one of the most balanced maps to date.... what rock have you been living under that you think it's such a garbage map?
Not balanced in Korea. Crevasse was the go-to map for terran players for the whole first half of the year, I can't think of a single non-terran who liked it, and eventually, even the terrans hated it because they hated playing TvT on it. And you can't seriously give Crevasse credit for something like a backdoor expansion; there were tons of BW maps that had backdoor expansions, it's far from a new development in mapmaking.

On January 02 2012 19:27 Aunvilgod wrote:
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On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)


Yeah? I have not seen anything comparable to tl.net by EG. EG is the more successful team though. So in this regard a tie is okay.
myEG.net doesn't compete with TL.net, nor should it be expected to. TL.net and TLAF-Liquid are two different things. The better comparison is TeamLiquidPro and myEG.net, which are vaguely similar.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
January 02 2012 12:05 GMT
#513
lol @ Team Liquid awarding themselves "Team of the year" :D Mousesports is the best foreigner team by far, and they are the only foreigner team who does not need to buy in koreans to give them results.

Otherwise good writeup.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 02 2012 12:07 GMT
#514
On January 02 2012 21:05 labbe wrote:
lol @ Team Liquid awarding themselves "Team of the year" :D Mousesports is the best foreigner team by far, and they are the only foreigner team who does not need to buy in koreans to give them results.

Otherwise good writeup.

Have you even read the thread? I'm getting so annoyed by people who just pop in to make an identical point to fifty other people, with no reference to the opposite perspective.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 12:25:21
January 02 2012 12:22 GMT
#515
On January 02 2012 21:04 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 14:23 -orb- wrote:
On January 02 2012 06:45 tree.hugger wrote:
On January 02 2012 05:18 -orb- wrote:
Awesome article, great read, but I find it absolutely despicable that antiga was a nominee for best map, and sad as well that dual sight was the other. For shame! Easily the worst, most inaccurate section of the awards.

Terminus?
Calm before the storm?
Crevasse?
Katrina?
Cloud kingdom?

All infinitely better picks imo.... I suppose you can argue for dual sight even though it was imbalanced because we saw some great games on it, but antiga shipyard is only good compared to all other blizzard maps. Compared to gsl and custom maps, antiga is garbage.

A shame, but the quality of the rest of the article makes up for it. Still, it's a detail I'd like to see improved in the future.
Antiga got on the list because it's the most balanced map statistically in the pool. For the players we spoke to, balance was a split between Daybreak and Antiga. Terminus is not a balanced map, and there are so many versions of it, with important changes it's impossible to pick one. Calm Before the Storm is too new to really qualify. Crevasse is an awful map, you must be joking. Katrina hasn't been played in a single major tournament and it's a remake of a BW map. Cloud Kingdom might be the map of 2012, who knows!

On January 02 2012 06:17 flagg wrote:
Was a lot of fun to read and thank you for doing it!


Best team of the year (international) seems a bit strange. IMO it should be either Mouse or FXO or IM.

There should be some kind of criteria. Is it a team with no Koreans? Is it a team that is controlled outside Korea? Is the result counted on individual basis or as a team? Is it any team with mixed Koreans and foreigners?

Now the criteria seem to be: team controlled outside of Korea with max 2 Koreans and only counting individual results.

Seems a bit far stretched to get the right winners in my opinion...

Edit: ...or just call it most popular team and be done with it

We viewed FXO as a Korean team because of it's participation in the GSTL and KSL, and it's merger with fOu. Teams that weren't GSTL regulars, nor made exclusively of Koreans (Team aLive, for example) were considered for the international award. We took teamleagues into account for the international award, but came to the conclusion that the foreign scene really lacks a teamleague that is up to the GSTL standard.

I can't speak for anyone else on this, but personally, I think eight teams is far too few for a teamleague, and that scheduling conflicts played too large a role in each teamleague to make the results too meaningful. Of course, however, I was cheering hard for Mousesports in the IPL TAC, and there's no denying that Liquid's defeat in that tournament was bad or that EG's absence in that event doesn't do them favors. But hopefully in 2012, we're going to have more team competition to factor into the equation.

Moreover, the award was called 'Team of the Year' and not 'Best Team at the End of the Year' or 'Best Team in Team Events'. Otherwise, FXO or SlayerS would've won the Korean award. No, I feel Team of the Year recognizes that teams do a lot more than just playing teamleagues. Teams play a big role in individual leagues as well, and in all kinds of extra curricular stuff. I think 'Team of the Year' is a much more broad designation than most people seem to feel it is.

And I didn't want to give Honorable Mentions at all, but obviously I didn't win that argument...

On January 02 2012 06:33 Avs wrote:
On January 02 2012 06:29 EsMors wrote:
Very nice article! I agree on many points, but I can't understand why FOrGG is not one of the three players to watch in 2012.


Write for the foreign crowds on a site that caters primarily to that demographic. You don't really need their opinions anyways when you know whos who of the best and what to watch for.

The point was really to single out players who people wouldn't look at normally. I think everyone is going to be watching forGG, but it wouldn't have been so good of an article if I said; "Players to Watch For: forGG, MVP, MMA, GuMiHo, Bomber"


You really think Crevasse is such a bad map that I must be joking? I most certainly am not joking. Crevasse was a revolutionary map that really improved the map scene overall in sc2. More expansions, interesting attack paths, actual interesting usage of destructable rocks (the first partial block on a ramp like that too iirc which is used all the time now), the first map with an in-base expansion, etc. It was one of the best maps ever in SC2 specifically because the in-base expansion with its rich vespene geyser allowed excellent players to prepare specific builds for that map that would give them an edge. It allowed a ton of creativity, and it wasn't that poorly balanced.

One of the best maps in the history of SC2. I find it comical that you seem to think it's so atrocious.

And actually looking at the statistics, it's one of the most balanced maps to date.... what rock have you been living under that you think it's such a garbage map?
Not balanced in Korea. Crevasse was the go-to map for terran players for the whole first half of the year, I can't think of a single non-terran who liked it, and eventually, even the terrans hated it because they hated playing TvT on it. And you can't seriously give Crevasse credit for something like a backdoor expansion; there were tons of BW maps that had backdoor expansions, it's far from a new development in mapmaking.


Orb says that Crevasse is an astounding map because of all the features it basically introduced as viable and showed how they work out. You should know by now that you can't compare BW / Sc2 maps, bw maps that are completely viable in bw can be absolute garbage in Sc2 (and basically every BW map remake was, in fact, garbage). While we were still playing on shitty 2 player maps like Blistering Sands, Steppes of War, Delta Quadrant etc., GSL added a map like 5 times the size of them, with so many interesting features, that could, potentially, make for an completely imbalanced game with shitty dynamice.
I think Orb advocates Crevasse more because of how much it pioneered the map making in general, while also stating that the balance was, even thought it was a huge experiment without any actual knowledge what's needed for a good game, more than sufficient.

And i have to agree with him, if you introduce an imbalanced (like really fucking imbalanced)map like Dual Sight and then go on to refute him with "Not balanced in Korea. Crevasse was the go-to map for terran players for the whole first half of the year, I can't think of a single non-terran who liked it, and eventually, even the terrans hated it because they hated playing TvT on it" it comes off as kinda weird. It's the same for Dual Sight, it's ridiculously imbalanced in favor of Zerg.
wat
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 02 2012 12:39 GMT
#516
Great article. Had to wait on the first day of work to read it fully .

Meta-bias nominated for best word in 2012?
I had a good night of sleep.
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 12:46:58
January 02 2012 12:43 GMT
#517
On January 02 2012 19:55 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:42 Harris1st wrote:
SHOWMATCH


Teamliquid vs Evil Geniuses

Best of Eleven - All Kill Format

Casting: Tastosis or Day9 + Husky or Total Apollo / D Biscuit

Prizepool: Team of the Year Award + Honor + People who wanna donate maybe



PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN



There can only be one

Even better, make it a best of 15, so that the whole teams can play to get a good reding of who is better

Edit: Nice writeup, gratz to all Awardwinners, you deserve it, and keep doing what you're doing

This might be necessary.


Maybe neccessary, and for sure it would be awesome as hell!!!
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
January 02 2012 12:55 GMT
#518
How can people get so angry because of this?

OMG mouz didn't win? Merlock dance sucks.. Idra entertaining?

This is not your best of 2011.. this is tl.net's "Best of 2011"! Can they use their own minds or every article needs to be a poll so that people can choose who they want to win?

Agree with most and it was overall a great read!

thank you and keep up the good work!
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
January 02 2012 12:59 GMT
#519
On January 02 2012 05:57 Mindor wrote:
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On January 01 2012 23:49 Infernux wrote:
I would describe the teams like this. Team Liquid is like Manchester United (it's a soccer team, fyi), they have a flow within the team and they feel... complete, but also welcoming to new players. They are used to winning and have some great players, but also a lot of talent.

EG would be more like Manchester City (please mind that EG has won more than City compared to United), a bought team (also, this is a bit far out, but with HuK, JYP and PuMa, come on...) with less flow and feel between the players, more like a place to get rich and get their best shots at being the best, for all the wrong reasons (I'm still a little upset about the HuK thing, mind you).

Now, mind you, this is how I feel. In my 1.5 years in the SC2 esport scene (as a watcher and low league player) TL is the team I have felt the most connected too, because of their ethics, standards and how the players present themselves, in interviews, on lans and in general when meeting their fans.

Also, WhiteRa for most creative player. Boom.


Make ManCity into Chelsea and you might have a match...Tradition and the feeling of connection you've described is not something you can create by not buying the best players possible when you have the chance.


So you want Chelsea? Oh wow, words cannot describe!
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
Nifel
Profile Joined June 2010
706 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 14:06:35
January 02 2012 13:02 GMT
#520
Awesome read. Thank you so much TL for doing this (and making eSports happen).

Although I'm not going to comment on the rewards themselves, I have to chime in and give a shout out to Mouz. Such a small roster, but every single member stands out so much, both in terms of showmanship and style, while also being an absolute top player in their own right. Still <3 TL, EG and everyone else though. :D
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 02 2012 13:05 GMT
#521
The best team award should be about more than just individual titles. EG should have had it with Mouz or TL second.
Ryukku
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore545 Posts
January 02 2012 13:08 GMT
#522
Biggest drama of 2012: Heated debate over some award for a writeup to sum up for 2011

haha =p... the fact that people can have some a heated debate / argument over something as simple as a writeup to sum up the year just means that esports is getting bigger, and im glad! =D

i found this article a great read! there will always be people with differing views, but for the most part, i agree to alot of it!

Thanks alot and happy new year to everyone!!! cant wait for what 2012 has in stall for us in esports!!!!
RotterdaM
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands684 Posts
January 02 2012 13:26 GMT
#523
Super write-up, mad props, articles like these makes us love sc2 so much more
Commentatorwww.instagram.com/RotterdaM08 for pictures of cute puppies.
FuFighter
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany60 Posts
January 02 2012 13:29 GMT
#524
Very nice writeup, thanks guys and a happy new year to you all!
"Scissors are fine, Paper is IMBA." - Rock
how
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States538 Posts
January 02 2012 13:32 GMT
#525
Awesome write up and hilarious thread to follow it up. I will have been officially with TL for 1 year in just a few days, and this basically just summed it up, love you guys. ♥
http://twitter.com/howsc
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
January 02 2012 14:01 GMT
#526
mkp doing the kong dance <3

On January 02 2012 22:02 Nifel wrote:
Awesome read. Thank you so much TL for doing this (and making eSports happen).

Although I'm not going to comment on the rewards themselves, I have to chime in and give a shout out to Mouz. Such a small rooster, but every single member stands out so much, both in terms of showmanship and style, while also being an absolute top player in their own right. Still <3 TL, EG and everyone else though. :D

are you saying they have a small..... cock?
lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
January 02 2012 14:09 GMT
#527
Good read! enjoyed it very much
Nifel
Profile Joined June 2010
706 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 14:12:35
January 02 2012 14:09 GMT
#528
On January 02 2012 23:01 ChriS-X wrote:
mkp doing the kong dance <3

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On January 02 2012 22:02 Nifel wrote:
Awesome read. Thank you so much TL for doing this (and making eSports happen).

Although I'm not going to comment on the rewards themselves, I have to chime in and give a shout out to Mouz. Such a small rooster, but every single member stands out so much, both in terms of showmanship and style, while also being an absolute top player in their own right. Still <3 TL, EG and everyone else though. :D

are you saying they have a small..... cock?


Lmao, didn't think anyone would catch that mistake :D

Anyway, let's move on!

koning
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium29 Posts
January 02 2012 14:11 GMT
#529
after reading the first few pages of this thread I remember why I stopped lurking here...
Nice read though, too bad you have to deal with all these kiddies
PrAeToR.FeNiX
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada361 Posts
January 02 2012 14:12 GMT
#530
wow that was a great reads thank you guy!
En taro Adun!
Matkap
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain627 Posts
January 02 2012 14:24 GMT
#531
Very nice thx!
A man tells his stories so many times that he becomes the stories. They live on after him, and in that way he becomes immortal.
Fleshcut
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany592 Posts
January 02 2012 14:33 GMT
#532
Read it a second time just now! Reminds me of all the things I watched/played/achieved this year in sc2.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 02 2012 14:36 GMT
#533
On January 02 2012 16:29 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 13:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?

not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.
its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.


Greg,

That's why we hand out individual titles for those who deserve them. Most of the prominent teams outside of Korea do next to nada when it comes to grooming their player's skill. All they do is setup shop.


Hell T-Zain didn't even join Mouz until after he won TSL3. Not like times have changed all that much. [pG] and ToT's players would vote players into their respectful teams as well after getting to know them. In the beginning, a lot of them flew under the radar. Not so much after 04.

Like I said, most teams. Then you have teams in Korea such as SlayerS where Lim wanted the freshest meat possible and guess what? He groomed them just like SK Telecom. Deja vu.

As for practice regimes. Not all players on international teams practice religiously with one another. You know this; I know this. You stuck with your [Media] boys and other boys for a long, long time. There will always be exceptions to the rule.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
January 02 2012 14:50 GMT
#534
Loved the write up.

Anyone happen to know the song from 0:40-044 on Idra's video? I hear that song like every club I go to and can never find the song the night after :'(.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Chernobyl
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil143 Posts
January 02 2012 14:54 GMT
#535
Excelent write-up, but I'm sad about not seeing White-Ra winning some "ballest/funniest...." award.

He is the player that I always look for.
Surth
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Germany456 Posts
January 02 2012 15:16 GMT
#536
The best team award could have used some more consideration. I don't even neccessarily disagree with the conclusion (I do actually, but its not my biggest complaint), but the reasoning is a bit... lazy.

Why are only EG and TL nomineed? Some arguments for each nominee would have cleared that up, perhaps.In my opinion, Mouz and Dignitas would have both deserved a nomination (though not the win).

Weirdly, numerous people defend the EG/TL nomination by saying that "you have to look at the whole year". But if you did, Mouz and Dignitas would be even stronger contenders! Lets take a look. I'll mostly talk about Dignitas because I'm more accustomed to them. First some random tournaments throughout the year. Before you're accusing me of cherrypicking: Of course I am. Again, I'm not saying that Dignitas or Mouz should have won the award (they shouldnt). But they do deserve a nomination.

The very first non-korean premier tournament of 2011 was the IEM European Championship Kiev. It was won by Sjow (dignitas).

Assembly Winter 2011 was won by Ret (TL). Second-place finisher: Morrow (mouz)

TSL 3 was held in March. Winner: Thorzain (mouz). Runner.up: Naniwa (dignitas)

August: Battle.net invitationals. Dignitas picks up two second places (Europe/Naniwa and Latin America/KilleR) and one first place (North America/SeleCT)

Up to this point I haven't mentioned the MLG. I'll try to cover these a bit more indepth. Sadly, mouz didn't send an awful lot of players to MLG, so I'll leave them out of the comparison.

MLG Dallas, first MLG event of the year.
Poolplay: http://img.xrmb2.net/images/633874.jpeg
Top 16:
1. Naniwa (Dignitas)
3. SeleCT- (Dignitas)
4. iNcontroL (Evil Geniuses)
5. TLO (Team Liquid)
7. IdrA (Evil Geniuses)
10. GosuHuK (Team Liquid)
12. SjoW (Dignitas)
13. Ret (Team Liquid)
14. HayprO (Team Liquid)
15. Machine (Evil Geniuses)
16. Tyler (Team Liquid)
The Teamliquid write-up specifically calls Dignitas "the team to beat". If they are the team to beat in April, surely they deserve at least some consideration?

Columbus:
Pool play: http://img.xrmb2.net/images/296445.jpeg

Top 16:
4. IdrA (Evil Geniuses)
6. NaNiWa (Dignitas)
7. Ret (Team Liquid)
10. HayprO (Team Liquid)
13. SjoW (Dignitas)
15. Machine (Evil Geniuses)
Each of the three teams has 2 people in the top sixteen. One of the worse showings of foreigners in general.

Raleigh:
Poolplay: http://img.xrmb2.net/images/763522.jpeg
Top 16:
5. PuMa (Evil Geniuses)
6. HerO (Team Liquid)
7. HuK (Team Liquid)
8. SjoW (Dignitas)
11. SeleCT- (Dignitas)
12. NaniWa (Dignitas)
14. DeMusliM (Evil Geniuses)
Puma and HerO are picking up the slack for EG and TL.

MLG Orlando:
Poolplay: http://img.xrmb2.net/images/886837.jpeg
Top 16:
1. HuK (Evil Geniuses)
4. IdrA (Evil Geniuses)
7. PuMa (Evil Geniuses)
9. Ret (Team Liquid)
13. HerO (Team Liquid)
16. HayprO (Team Liquid)
It is only here that EG is beginning to show its dominance, with three people in the top 8 and a first place finish.
Note: Team Dignitas elected not to go to Orlando.

MLG Providence:
Poolplay: None

Top 16:
5. HuK (Evil Geniuses)
7. HayprO (Team Liquid)
8. IdrA (Evil Geniuses)
10. HerO (Team Liquid)
11. PuMa (Evil Geniuses)
15. Ret (Team Liquid)
Naniwa has left Dignitas, Select and Sjow lose their games and have a relatively bad top 24 finish.

The story that I'm trying to sell here is that Dignitas, for the the first half of the year, was a very strong contender for best foreigner team. As mentioned above, mouz only sent players to half the MLG events, but someone more dedicated than me could probably pull a similar case for them if looking at all of the major events of 2011.

Which leaves us with the conclusion. The writers themselves acknowledged that the tie is a cop-out. But then why do it? I personally would have to award EG the prize, considering the last third of 2011 (Providence and Orlando).
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 02 2012 15:27 GMT
#537
I disagree with some of this but best player award both international and korean were pretty spot on.

Grats HuK and IMMvp!

Also grats to Day[9], looks so sexy in that picture
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HighlyToxic
Profile Joined July 2011
France101 Posts
January 02 2012 15:42 GMT
#538
Nice write up, very nice
Happy new year to all!
It's was a nice year for starcraft 2, we can get better for 2012 !!
Kon-Tiki
Profile Joined February 2011
United States402 Posts
January 02 2012 15:48 GMT
#539
On January 02 2012 23:36 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 16:29 IdrA wrote:
On January 02 2012 13:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?

not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.
its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.


Greg,

That's why we hand out individual titles for those who deserve them. Most of the prominent teams outside of Korea do next to nada when it comes to grooming their player's skill. All they do is setup shop.


Hell T-Zain didn't even join Mouz until after he won TSL3. Not like times have changed all that much. [pG] and ToT's players would vote players into their respectful teams as well after getting to know them. In the beginning, a lot of them flew under the radar. Not so much after 04.

Like I said, most teams. Then you have teams in Korea such as SlayerS where Lim wanted the freshest meat possible and guess what? He groomed them just like SK Telecom. Deja vu.

As for practice regimes. Not all players on international teams practice religiously with one another. You know this; I know this. You stuck with your [Media] boys and other boys for a long, long time. There will always be exceptions to the rule.


In point of fact, ThorZain was picked up during the TSL3. Praetoriani disbanded when he and someone else (NightEnd, maybe?) got picked up by more lucrative teams
I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
Muruburu
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom43 Posts
January 02 2012 15:58 GMT
#540
On January 01 2012 21:58 EGalex wrote:
Folks, please don't bash the EG/TL tie for team of the year .

While I do think that a case could be made for EG edging out TL as the singular team of the year (even by just a hair), and while that may be my (admittedly biased) personal opinion, I don't think an objective argument can really be made for either side coming out noticeably on top. When you consider all aspects of what makes a team great, including player support, fan engagement, community presence, business development, and (of course) tournament results, the gap between EG and TL - if it exists at all - is just too minimal to warrant either team winning the award outright.

Both EG and TL have our respective strengths and weaknesses, but overall, I don't think there are any international teams doing a better job of running their StarCraft divisions than EG and TL. And I want to both thank and applaud Victor, James, Ken, and everyone over at TL for a job very, very well done. I mean this very sincerely. This is not meant to take credit away from any of the other very high-level international teams, of course; it's just that, as far as StarCraft goes, I think EG and TL are at the forefront of international teams.

I'm very happy to share both the rivalry and team of the year awards with TL. Speaking comfortably for Scott, Colin, Cody, and everyone over at EG, we have so much respect for what TL does for its players and the community, and we're very excited to move into 2012 with such an intense and storied rivalry intact.

Watching DreamHack Winter was a very interesting experience for me. On the one hand, I obviously want EG to win every tournament we enter (especially that particular event, which was so well-produced and carried such prestige), and as such, I was *absolutely* heartbroken when HerO defeated PuMa in game seven to take the event. The loss haunted me for the better part of a week, causing many fingertips-to-the-forehead head shakes and long-inhale-short-exhale sighs. Yet, at the same time, I found the logical part of my brain continually saying, "This is good for the sport. Liquid was overdue for a big win."

I think that this anecdote is aptly representative of the dilemma and conflict you constantly face as a team owner. On the one hand, you want the sport to grow and flourish, and you understand that in the big picture of things, in order for that to happen, it's necessary for multiple teams to do well, and for intense rivalries to develop. Yet at the same time, you genuinely want your players and your team to win every, single map they play, and if you're not doing everything it takes to win (within the rules), you're doing yourself, your players, and your fans an unacceptable disservice.

Somehow, these two desires, while in theory rather mutually exclusive, in practice coexist in every team owner's mind on a daily basis. And so, while on the one hand I hope that an EG player wins every single tournament in 2012, on the other hand I know that it's good for the sport if Liquid (and other teams) get their share of victories as well. So, Victor, and everyone at TL, I truly wish all of you good luck going into the new year.

Just, y'know, not too much luck, please .

-Alex
@ottersareneat on Twitter






This post needs more love. Thanks for writing this up Alex!
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
January 02 2012 16:05 GMT
#541
well wrote and really cool to read.
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
Icky
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark95 Posts
January 02 2012 16:05 GMT
#542
Nice article. A bit disappointed that IdrA vs. Bomber games at MLG Orlando weren't mentioned but otherwise awesome list.
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
January 02 2012 17:00 GMT
#543
Nice article, my foreign team of the year would be Mouz though.
They played much better in the team leagues than both EG and TL and they don't even have Koreans in their line-up to do so.
marmuc
Profile Joined August 2011
110 Posts
January 02 2012 17:04 GMT
#544
team of the year choice is sooo funny since mouz is like 100 times better than EG... and teamliquid? sorry, I respect the community here etc, but the team is only average.
Pres1990
Profile Joined April 2011
Poland14 Posts
January 02 2012 17:12 GMT
#545
Team of the year - Mouz ( won eg cup's twice +2nd IPL team arena + a lot medals in major tournaments)
Most entertaining player - MC in lans , white-ra online
Mose revolutionary - homestorycup
Rivaly of the year MVP vs Nestea
DueSs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States765 Posts
January 02 2012 17:37 GMT
#546
On January 02 2012 16:29 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 13:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?

not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.
its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.


okok, I get your point. But I guess the devil's advocate argument here is that if you were to make nominations for "team of the year" to say.. pro American football.. You nominate the Packers (#1) and Saints (#2) and that's it. You don't nominate any other team because (let's just say) the Packers and Saints do significantly more for charity, NFL, and the general NFL sports scene than any other team (especially say the 49ers [#3]). You still think the 49ers shouldn't be even mentioned in a single sentence, much less nominated at all?

I dunno. Maybe you're right.
kellymilkies
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore1393 Posts
January 02 2012 17:47 GMT
#547
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. Fucking love Team Liquid
Be the change you wish to see in the world ^-^V //
scarymeerkat
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada107 Posts
January 02 2012 18:30 GMT
#548
Yeah. My impression of this thread so far is that people arguing for mouz haven't really read the TL and EG arguments. I think they make a lot of sense. IdrA and TL mods spittin' some truth, yo. Mouz is an excellent team yes, noone is disputing that, but going with the criteria that the award was based on (you could argue that makes the title a little bit of a misnomer?) Mouz does not 100% deserve a nomination. Maybe they do, but not a clearcut yes afaic.

And I think people are forgetting that these awards aren't the end all and be all. It's not like anyone is winning anything real here, no money, no trophies.

On TL vs EG.... obviously bias comes into play. But I think TL compensated for bias properly. A tie is fair. Individual accomplishments for the year are pretty even, and outside the game they do do a lot too. Remember once again that I'm saying that according to the criteria for the award, EG and TL tying was a fair result.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 02 2012 18:51 GMT
#549
A little late, TL. I am dissapoint.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
January 02 2012 18:59 GMT
#550
Great article, fun to read!
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
January 02 2012 19:00 GMT
#551
If Dual sight would have been voted Map of the year I would have adblocked TL just as punishment.
That map should be voted worst map of the year ^^
Rabbet
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada404 Posts
January 02 2012 19:16 GMT
#552
On January 02 2012 19:42 Harris1st wrote:
SHOWMATCH


Teamliquid vs Evil Geniuses

Best of Eleven - All Kill Format

Casting: Tastosis or Day9 + Husky or Total Apollo / D Biscuit

Prizepool: Team of the Year Award + Honor + People who wanna donate maybe



PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN



There can only be one

Even better, make it a best of 15, so that the whole teams can play to get a good reding of who is better

Edit: Nice writeup, gratz to all Awardwinners, you deserve it, and keep doing what you're doing


Why even have a BO11 when clearly the winner should be "who does the most for esports"?
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
January 02 2012 19:28 GMT
#553
On January 03 2012 04:16 Rabbet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:42 Harris1st wrote:
SHOWMATCH


Teamliquid vs Evil Geniuses

Best of Eleven - All Kill Format

Casting: Tastosis or Day9 + Husky or Total Apollo / D Biscuit

Prizepool: Team of the Year Award + Honor + People who wanna donate maybe



PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN



There can only be one

Even better, make it a best of 15, so that the whole teams can play to get a good reding of who is better

Edit: Nice writeup, gratz to all Awardwinners, you deserve it, and keep doing what you're doing


Why even have a BO11 when clearly the winner should be "who does the most for esports"?

I actually don't understand why EG vs TL, because Mouz actually called TL out. And then the winner gets to be the Team of the Year together with EG.
FuDDx *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States5008 Posts
January 02 2012 19:37 GMT
#554
It is amazing the work each and everyone of you do here at this site (mods/Admins) I love every minute I get to call this site my home. Keep up the amazing work!!! One day I hope more of you guys get paid positions (if possible !!)
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fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 20:37:48
January 02 2012 20:05 GMT
#555
On January 01 2012 23:17 Warsfear wrote:
Completely wrong. Breakout Performance: by far Leenock. Best Game: drg vs mma is highly over-hyped and actually a poorly played game for those who understand the match-up; much more interesting would be jjakji leenock or mvp leenock regarding tvz. Best Event: how columbus could be chosen over providence is truly remarkable.


I don't understand how you could've read the article and come to this conclusion. Did you just skim over the results?

Breakout Performance: key word is BREAKOUT. Leenock was noticed since GSL2 (or 3?) for his excellent play and people have commented and expected him to be awesome since then. Yes his MLG run was ridiculously epic and unexpected, but he's been very well known for the past year. Thorzain, as stated in the article, came out of nowhere, was the underdog in every match of the TSL and defeated past GSL champions to nab the title and establishing his name. That's what breakout means.

Best Game: The best game doesn't just come from technical expertise or understanding of the matchup. It has to include the tension, the storylines and the drama that led to the best game. As mentioned the final game was ridiculously epic, especially since MMA went 3-0 on Z favoured maps then DRG somehow came back with 3 games on T favoured maps. These 2 have been rivals for a long time as well so the drama, tension etc was all there.

Best Event: If you read the article you'd know why they chose Columbus. it was the first time that people truly felt esports has arrived in the West

Edit: also reading through this thread there seems to be a lot of whine about mouz not winning best team even though they have more team league wins...until starcraft 2 has a premier teamleague like proleague, individual results from major tournaments where the best players are putting in their best efforts will have higher prestige when ranking teams. As someone who only follows the pro scene casually, i didn't even know there was a teamleague apart from GSTL, and i think this will be true for most of the SC2 crowd except the very hardcore. until teamleagues become universally known and followed by most people who watch starcraft 2 and with all the best teams competing with their best players, don't expect them to be worth very much
wUndertUnge
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1125 Posts
January 02 2012 20:23 GMT
#556
Very classy giving Huk an award, even after he leaves the team. Stay classy, TL.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
January 02 2012 20:31 GMT
#557
this article made day9 happy, therefore it is perfect... btw team of the year is easily tt-esports
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
January 02 2012 20:40 GMT
#558
I'm just sad that MMA didn't get any award for greatest improvement or something along those lines even though he already received one from the Koreans.

He should get the "MVP's Kryptonite" award because if it wasn't for him MVP would have won even more championships
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
Gyger
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway18 Posts
January 02 2012 20:40 GMT
#559
Snute for pro in 2012!
Nice article, it was a very nice read.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
January 02 2012 20:55 GMT
#560
Love the article...

Love everyone getting all riled up over what is essentially an OPINION piece lol...
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
January 02 2012 21:04 GMT
#561
Nice article, I agree with everything except I think Leenock vs Jjakji was more significant as a whole. Great write up, great year and most importantly

THANK YOU TL WRITERS!!
Try another route paperboy.
CobraJSF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6 Posts
January 02 2012 21:09 GMT
#562
Here's hoping for more amazing MC ceremonies in 2012 :D

Thanks for the article TL!
Hossinaut
Profile Joined June 2011
United States453 Posts
January 02 2012 21:44 GMT
#563
I love how all the Europeans are saying MOUZ OMFG, and all the everyone else is like idc, EG and TL are pretty sweet <3
Similarly, getting Koreans on your team is NOT selling out, its increasing the commercial value of your team by virtue of your team's subsequent ability to post more better results as well as increase foreign interest, both of which draw sponsors and lots moar of teh monais.

Not entirely dissimilarly, I agree with @Mattchew. If Day[9] is happy, so should we all. <3

TL, can't wait for more amazing content like this and another amazing year.
As my persian friend would say: kiss
Dirt McGirt
Profile Joined March 2011
New Zealand129 Posts
January 02 2012 23:24 GMT
#564
Awesome article - well done
I control Michael Jackson
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
January 02 2012 23:27 GMT
#565
I agree with mostly everything except for Best Game of the Year. Although I still think MMA vs DRG was good, MMA vs. TOP game 1 was absolutely spectacular. I'd still give the best series played to MMA vs DRG though, hands down.

Great write-up guys!
ottersareneat
Profile Joined November 2010
United States55 Posts
January 02 2012 23:40 GMT
#566
On January 03 2012 00:58 Muruburu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 21:58 EGalex wrote:
Folks, please don't bash the EG/TL tie for team of the year .

While I do think that a case could be made for EG edging out TL as the singular team of the year (even by just a hair), and while that may be my (admittedly biased) personal opinion, I don't think an objective argument can really be made for either side coming out noticeably on top. When you consider all aspects of what makes a team great, including player support, fan engagement, community presence, business development, and (of course) tournament results, the gap between EG and TL - if it exists at all - is just too minimal to warrant either team winning the award outright.

Both EG and TL have our respective strengths and weaknesses, but overall, I don't think there are any international teams doing a better job of running their StarCraft divisions than EG and TL. And I want to both thank and applaud Victor, James, Ken, and everyone over at TL for a job very, very well done. I mean this very sincerely. This is not meant to take credit away from any of the other very high-level international teams, of course; it's just that, as far as StarCraft goes, I think EG and TL are at the forefront of international teams.

I'm very happy to share both the rivalry and team of the year awards with TL. Speaking comfortably for Scott, Colin, Cody, and everyone over at EG, we have so much respect for what TL does for its players and the community, and we're very excited to move into 2012 with such an intense and storied rivalry intact.

Watching DreamHack Winter was a very interesting experience for me. On the one hand, I obviously want EG to win every tournament we enter (especially that particular event, which was so well-produced and carried such prestige), and as such, I was *absolutely* heartbroken when HerO defeated PuMa in game seven to take the event. The loss haunted me for the better part of a week, causing many fingertips-to-the-forehead head shakes and long-inhale-short-exhale sighs. Yet, at the same time, I found the logical part of my brain continually saying, "This is good for the sport. Liquid was overdue for a big win."

I think that this anecdote is aptly representative of the dilemma and conflict you constantly face as a team owner. On the one hand, you want the sport to grow and flourish, and you understand that in the big picture of things, in order for that to happen, it's necessary for multiple teams to do well, and for intense rivalries to develop. Yet at the same time, you genuinely want your players and your team to win every, single map they play, and if you're not doing everything it takes to win (within the rules), you're doing yourself, your players, and your fans an unacceptable disservice.

Somehow, these two desires, while in theory rather mutually exclusive, in practice coexist in every team owner's mind on a daily basis. And so, while on the one hand I hope that an EG player wins every single tournament in 2012, on the other hand I know that it's good for the sport if Liquid (and other teams) get their share of victories as well. So, Victor, and everyone at TL, I truly wish all of you good luck going into the new year.

Just, y'know, not too much luck, please .

-Alex
@ottersareneat on Twitter






This post needs more love. Thanks for writing this up Alex!


You're welcome... although, I think you're the only one that read it ;].
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CryMeAReaper
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark1135 Posts
January 03 2012 00:05 GMT
#567
On January 03 2012 08:40 EGalex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 00:58 Muruburu wrote:
On January 01 2012 21:58 EGalex wrote:
Folks, please don't bash the EG/TL tie for team of the year .

While I do think that a case could be made for EG edging out TL as the singular team of the year (even by just a hair), and while that may be my (admittedly biased) personal opinion, I don't think an objective argument can really be made for either side coming out noticeably on top. When you consider all aspects of what makes a team great, including player support, fan engagement, community presence, business development, and (of course) tournament results, the gap between EG and TL - if it exists at all - is just too minimal to warrant either team winning the award outright.

Both EG and TL have our respective strengths and weaknesses, but overall, I don't think there are any international teams doing a better job of running their StarCraft divisions than EG and TL. And I want to both thank and applaud Victor, James, Ken, and everyone over at TL for a job very, very well done. I mean this very sincerely. This is not meant to take credit away from any of the other very high-level international teams, of course; it's just that, as far as StarCraft goes, I think EG and TL are at the forefront of international teams.

I'm very happy to share both the rivalry and team of the year awards with TL. Speaking comfortably for Scott, Colin, Cody, and everyone over at EG, we have so much respect for what TL does for its players and the community, and we're very excited to move into 2012 with such an intense and storied rivalry intact.

Watching DreamHack Winter was a very interesting experience for me. On the one hand, I obviously want EG to win every tournament we enter (especially that particular event, which was so well-produced and carried such prestige), and as such, I was *absolutely* heartbroken when HerO defeated PuMa in game seven to take the event. The loss haunted me for the better part of a week, causing many fingertips-to-the-forehead head shakes and long-inhale-short-exhale sighs. Yet, at the same time, I found the logical part of my brain continually saying, "This is good for the sport. Liquid was overdue for a big win."

I think that this anecdote is aptly representative of the dilemma and conflict you constantly face as a team owner. On the one hand, you want the sport to grow and flourish, and you understand that in the big picture of things, in order for that to happen, it's necessary for multiple teams to do well, and for intense rivalries to develop. Yet at the same time, you genuinely want your players and your team to win every, single map they play, and if you're not doing everything it takes to win (within the rules), you're doing yourself, your players, and your fans an unacceptable disservice.

Somehow, these two desires, while in theory rather mutually exclusive, in practice coexist in every team owner's mind on a daily basis. And so, while on the one hand I hope that an EG player wins every single tournament in 2012, on the other hand I know that it's good for the sport if Liquid (and other teams) get their share of victories as well. So, Victor, and everyone at TL, I truly wish all of you good luck going into the new year.

Just, y'know, not too much luck, please .

-Alex
@ottersareneat on Twitter






This post needs more love. Thanks for writing this up Alex!


You're welcome... although, I think you're the only one that read it ;].


Nono! I think many did, just, I don't think theres a lot to discuss, everything you said was on point. But yeah good post ^^

Also I think mouz dosnt participate in enough international tournaments for them to be considered team of the year. Team of the year should (imo) go to the team who has most wins, regardless of them being team wins or player wins, EG has most and the most prestigous imo wins so it's fair they get it, still like mouz moar tho :3

The funny thing tho is that it seems like Mouz players are the one refusing to go to the tournaments, judging from various interviews and articles I have read.

Sometimes I feel like mouz is being slightly underrated by a lot from other continents, but that's totally understandable as they don't have a very strong presence in said scenes, and it's not like I follow every NA scenes move, and there's a lot more to keep track of in the EU scene in general I think.
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UltimateHurl
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland591 Posts
January 03 2012 00:06 GMT
#568
Good write-up guys, well done Would've voted the Dreamhack finals as best game, but I have the bias of being there.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
January 03 2012 00:56 GMT
#569
On January 03 2012 08:40 EGalex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 00:58 Muruburu wrote:
On January 01 2012 21:58 EGalex wrote:
Folks, please don't bash the EG/TL tie for team of the year .

While I do think that a case could be made for EG edging out TL as the singular team of the year (even by just a hair), and while that may be my (admittedly biased) personal opinion, I don't think an objective argument can really be made for either side coming out noticeably on top. When you consider all aspects of what makes a team great, including player support, fan engagement, community presence, business development, and (of course) tournament results, the gap between EG and TL - if it exists at all - is just too minimal to warrant either team winning the award outright.

Both EG and TL have our respective strengths and weaknesses, but overall, I don't think there are any international teams doing a better job of running their StarCraft divisions than EG and TL. And I want to both thank and applaud Victor, James, Ken, and everyone over at TL for a job very, very well done. I mean this very sincerely. This is not meant to take credit away from any of the other very high-level international teams, of course; it's just that, as far as StarCraft goes, I think EG and TL are at the forefront of international teams.

I'm very happy to share both the rivalry and team of the year awards with TL. Speaking comfortably for Scott, Colin, Cody, and everyone over at EG, we have so much respect for what TL does for its players and the community, and we're very excited to move into 2012 with such an intense and storied rivalry intact.

Watching DreamHack Winter was a very interesting experience for me. On the one hand, I obviously want EG to win every tournament we enter (especially that particular event, which was so well-produced and carried such prestige), and as such, I was *absolutely* heartbroken when HerO defeated PuMa in game seven to take the event. The loss haunted me for the better part of a week, causing many fingertips-to-the-forehead head shakes and long-inhale-short-exhale sighs. Yet, at the same time, I found the logical part of my brain continually saying, "This is good for the sport. Liquid was overdue for a big win."

I think that this anecdote is aptly representative of the dilemma and conflict you constantly face as a team owner. On the one hand, you want the sport to grow and flourish, and you understand that in the big picture of things, in order for that to happen, it's necessary for multiple teams to do well, and for intense rivalries to develop. Yet at the same time, you genuinely want your players and your team to win every, single map they play, and if you're not doing everything it takes to win (within the rules), you're doing yourself, your players, and your fans an unacceptable disservice.

Somehow, these two desires, while in theory rather mutually exclusive, in practice coexist in every team owner's mind on a daily basis. And so, while on the one hand I hope that an EG player wins every single tournament in 2012, on the other hand I know that it's good for the sport if Liquid (and other teams) get their share of victories as well. So, Victor, and everyone at TL, I truly wish all of you good luck going into the new year.

Just, y'know, not too much luck, please .

-Alex
@ottersareneat on Twitter






This post needs more love. Thanks for writing this up Alex!


You're welcome... although, I think you're the only one that read it ;].

Oh please... Get a grip.
ambrosiaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Singapore333 Posts
January 03 2012 00:59 GMT
#570
On January 02 2012 08:29 Sliver wrote:
IdrA won over Destiny for most entertaining? What in the world? We all know IdrA is better but Destiny is so much more entertaining, which is why he gets so many viewers.

Not sure if youre aware, but idra gets 2-3 times more viewers than destiny
Dranak
Profile Joined July 2011
United States464 Posts
January 03 2012 01:15 GMT
#571
Like many I don't agree with all the choices made here, but it was still a fun read. Keep the great content coming in 2012 TL writers.
SeraKuDA
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada343 Posts
January 03 2012 01:35 GMT
#572
Awesome write-up guys, keep up the good work in 2012!
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
January 03 2012 02:16 GMT
#573
Thanks for the write-up and Happy new year to every SC2 fan
I got five reasons for you to shut up
aviator116
Profile Joined November 2011
United States820 Posts
January 03 2012 02:35 GMT
#574
On January 03 2012 09:56 Brett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 08:40 EGalex wrote:
On January 03 2012 00:58 Muruburu wrote:
On January 01 2012 21:58 EGalex wrote:
Folks, please don't bash the EG/TL tie for team of the year .

While I do think that a case could be made for EG edging out TL as the singular team of the year (even by just a hair), and while that may be my (admittedly biased) personal opinion, I don't think an objective argument can really be made for either side coming out noticeably on top. When you consider all aspects of what makes a team great, including player support, fan engagement, community presence, business development, and (of course) tournament results, the gap between EG and TL - if it exists at all - is just too minimal to warrant either team winning the award outright.

Both EG and TL have our respective strengths and weaknesses, but overall, I don't think there are any international teams doing a better job of running their StarCraft divisions than EG and TL. And I want to both thank and applaud Victor, James, Ken, and everyone over at TL for a job very, very well done. I mean this very sincerely. This is not meant to take credit away from any of the other very high-level international teams, of course; it's just that, as far as StarCraft goes, I think EG and TL are at the forefront of international teams.

I'm very happy to share both the rivalry and team of the year awards with TL. Speaking comfortably for Scott, Colin, Cody, and everyone over at EG, we have so much respect for what TL does for its players and the community, and we're very excited to move into 2012 with such an intense and storied rivalry intact.

Watching DreamHack Winter was a very interesting experience for me. On the one hand, I obviously want EG to win every tournament we enter (especially that particular event, which was so well-produced and carried such prestige), and as such, I was *absolutely* heartbroken when HerO defeated PuMa in game seven to take the event. The loss haunted me for the better part of a week, causing many fingertips-to-the-forehead head shakes and long-inhale-short-exhale sighs. Yet, at the same time, I found the logical part of my brain continually saying, "This is good for the sport. Liquid was overdue for a big win."

I think that this anecdote is aptly representative of the dilemma and conflict you constantly face as a team owner. On the one hand, you want the sport to grow and flourish, and you understand that in the big picture of things, in order for that to happen, it's necessary for multiple teams to do well, and for intense rivalries to develop. Yet at the same time, you genuinely want your players and your team to win every, single map they play, and if you're not doing everything it takes to win (within the rules), you're doing yourself, your players, and your fans an unacceptable disservice.

Somehow, these two desires, while in theory rather mutually exclusive, in practice coexist in every team owner's mind on a daily basis. And so, while on the one hand I hope that an EG player wins every single tournament in 2012, on the other hand I know that it's good for the sport if Liquid (and other teams) get their share of victories as well. So, Victor, and everyone at TL, I truly wish all of you good luck going into the new year.

Just, y'know, not too much luck, please .

-Alex
@ottersareneat on Twitter






This post needs more love. Thanks for writing this up Alex!


You're welcome... although, I think you're the only one that read it ;].

Oh please... Get a grip.

lol. why don't you? i guess your humor-detector is off.
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ShoKakuUtena
Profile Joined May 2011
United States304 Posts
January 03 2012 02:38 GMT
#575
Someone should have won Worst Drama...T_T
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 03 2012 03:10 GMT
#576
On January 02 2012 23:36 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 16:29 IdrA wrote:
On January 02 2012 13:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?

not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.
its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.


Greg,

That's why we hand out individual titles for those who deserve them. Most of the prominent teams outside of Korea do next to nada when it comes to grooming their player's skill. All they do is setup shop.


Hell T-Zain didn't even join Mouz until after he won TSL3. Not like times have changed all that much. [pG] and ToT's players would vote players into their respectful teams as well after getting to know them. In the beginning, a lot of them flew under the radar. Not so much after 04.

Like I said, most teams. Then you have teams in Korea such as SlayerS where Lim wanted the freshest meat possible and guess what? He groomed them just like SK Telecom. Deja vu.

As for practice regimes. Not all players on international teams practice religiously with one another. You know this; I know this. You stuck with your [Media] boys and other boys for a long, long time. There will always be exceptions to the rule.

whats your point?
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xisuosuoxi
Profile Joined January 2012
Barbados2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 04:04:40
January 03 2012 04:02 GMT
#577
Bot edit.

User was banned for this post.
i love it
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
January 03 2012 04:08 GMT
#578
I don't even know what StarStruck is trying to say... I never really thought that skill in team leagues could be less bolstered by the team than in individual leagues, but now that Greg explained it, it makes sense. Very counterintuitive, interesting.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 03 2012 05:04 GMT
#579
Also, Thorzain joined Mouz just before winning TSL3, didn't he?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Holloworb
Profile Joined November 2011
Norway345 Posts
January 03 2012 05:49 GMT
#580
On January 03 2012 08:40 EGalex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 00:58 Muruburu wrote:
On January 01 2012 21:58 EGalex wrote:
Folks, please don't bash the EG/TL tie for team of the year .

While I do think that a case could be made for EG edging out TL as the singular team of the year (even by just a hair), and while that may be my (admittedly biased) personal opinion, I don't think an objective argument can really be made for either side coming out noticeably on top. When you consider all aspects of what makes a team great, including player support, fan engagement, community presence, business development, and (of course) tournament results, the gap between EG and TL - if it exists at all - is just too minimal to warrant either team winning the award outright.

Both EG and TL have our respective strengths and weaknesses, but overall, I don't think there are any international teams doing a better job of running their StarCraft divisions than EG and TL. And I want to both thank and applaud Victor, James, Ken, and everyone over at TL for a job very, very well done. I mean this very sincerely. This is not meant to take credit away from any of the other very high-level international teams, of course; it's just that, as far as StarCraft goes, I think EG and TL are at the forefront of international teams.

I'm very happy to share both the rivalry and team of the year awards with TL. Speaking comfortably for Scott, Colin, Cody, and everyone over at EG, we have so much respect for what TL does for its players and the community, and we're very excited to move into 2012 with such an intense and storied rivalry intact.

Watching DreamHack Winter was a very interesting experience for me. On the one hand, I obviously want EG to win every tournament we enter (especially that particular event, which was so well-produced and carried such prestige), and as such, I was *absolutely* heartbroken when HerO defeated PuMa in game seven to take the event. The loss haunted me for the better part of a week, causing many fingertips-to-the-forehead head shakes and long-inhale-short-exhale sighs. Yet, at the same time, I found the logical part of my brain continually saying, "This is good for the sport. Liquid was overdue for a big win."

I think that this anecdote is aptly representative of the dilemma and conflict you constantly face as a team owner. On the one hand, you want the sport to grow and flourish, and you understand that in the big picture of things, in order for that to happen, it's necessary for multiple teams to do well, and for intense rivalries to develop. Yet at the same time, you genuinely want your players and your team to win every, single map they play, and if you're not doing everything it takes to win (within the rules), you're doing yourself, your players, and your fans an unacceptable disservice.

Somehow, these two desires, while in theory rather mutually exclusive, in practice coexist in every team owner's mind on a daily basis. And so, while on the one hand I hope that an EG player wins every single tournament in 2012, on the other hand I know that it's good for the sport if Liquid (and other teams) get their share of victories as well. So, Victor, and everyone at TL, I truly wish all of you good luck going into the new year.

Just, y'know, not too much luck, please .

-Alex
@ottersareneat on Twitter






This post needs more love. Thanks for writing this up Alex!


You're welcome... although, I think you're the only one that read it ;].





Best post of the thread, it just hasn't got enough drama for people to answer to Talking sense to a screaming mob is rarely very effective.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
January 03 2012 06:28 GMT
#581
Good write up! I wish that there was some competition for player of the year in South Korea, since I've never been much of an IMMvp fan, but I do have to admit, this was his year. Hopefully someone else, anyone else will take the throne in 2012.
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UnknownReclaimer
Profile Joined March 2011
United States146 Posts
January 03 2012 06:44 GMT
#582
Great writeup, was a pleasure to read. I do wish there was something more they community could do for Day9 though, other than this. That man is quite possibly the hardest working man in eSports, and definitely the most passionate.
"And when he pops out.. WE SHIT ON HIM! HAHAHAHA!" - Geoff Robinson
rcee
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden23 Posts
January 03 2012 08:04 GMT
#583
Agree 100% with Idra being the most entertaining man in esports. I wish he'd stream more often, he's just awesome to watch
MasterTom
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands12 Posts
January 03 2012 08:42 GMT
#584
Great article... thanks TL!

TeamLiquid gets the most-awesome-sc2-community-site award from me
human_ko
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation676 Posts
January 03 2012 09:48 GMT
#585
is there a way to get idra's music? I really want to get some of those dubstep songs!!
that video of his is hilarious
WOrd, yo.
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
January 03 2012 09:53 GMT
#586
Great awards TL

My favorite moment of the year was easily watching Thorzain come back and win TSL3. The only moment I can think of where I cried out loud and jumped out of my seat.
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
Matkap
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain627 Posts
January 03 2012 09:55 GMT
#587
I just wanted to point out that a Antiga Shipyard, a map made by BLIZZARD, is nominated for best map of the year.
A man tells his stories so many times that he becomes the stories. They live on after him, and in that way he becomes immortal.
slimbo1
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany228 Posts
January 03 2012 10:36 GMT
#588
Where is White-Ra's award?
Tryxtira
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 11:10:19
January 03 2012 11:10 GMT
#589
On January 02 2012 16:34 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 16:33 MorroW wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:29 IdrA wrote:
On January 02 2012 13:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?

not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.
its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.

hey greg ur team sounds pretty sweet, ill join for 4k a month

egs a poor team we cant afford that


You misunderstood mate! Morrow is totally willing to pay 4k a month to get to be on the team! Although we're obviously talking SEK and not dollar, so translated that's something like.. 500 dollars! Now how does that offer sound!?
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
January 03 2012 11:53 GMT
#590
On January 03 2012 08:40 EGalex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 00:58 Muruburu wrote:
On January 01 2012 21:58 EGalex wrote:
Folks, please don't bash the EG/TL tie for team of the year .

While I do think that a case could be made for EG edging out TL as the singular team of the year (even by just a hair), and while that may be my (admittedly biased) personal opinion, I don't think an objective argument can really be made for either side coming out noticeably on top. When you consider all aspects of what makes a team great, including player support, fan engagement, community presence, business development, and (of course) tournament results, the gap between EG and TL - if it exists at all - is just too minimal to warrant either team winning the award outright.

Both EG and TL have our respective strengths and weaknesses, but overall, I don't think there are any international teams doing a better job of running their StarCraft divisions than EG and TL. And I want to both thank and applaud Victor, James, Ken, and everyone over at TL for a job very, very well done. I mean this very sincerely. This is not meant to take credit away from any of the other very high-level international teams, of course; it's just that, as far as StarCraft goes, I think EG and TL are at the forefront of international teams.

I'm very happy to share both the rivalry and team of the year awards with TL. Speaking comfortably for Scott, Colin, Cody, and everyone over at EG, we have so much respect for what TL does for its players and the community, and we're very excited to move into 2012 with such an intense and storied rivalry intact.

Watching DreamHack Winter was a very interesting experience for me. On the one hand, I obviously want EG to win every tournament we enter (especially that particular event, which was so well-produced and carried such prestige), and as such, I was *absolutely* heartbroken when HerO defeated PuMa in game seven to take the event. The loss haunted me for the better part of a week, causing many fingertips-to-the-forehead head shakes and long-inhale-short-exhale sighs. Yet, at the same time, I found the logical part of my brain continually saying, "This is good for the sport. Liquid was overdue for a big win."

I think that this anecdote is aptly representative of the dilemma and conflict you constantly face as a team owner. On the one hand, you want the sport to grow and flourish, and you understand that in the big picture of things, in order for that to happen, it's necessary for multiple teams to do well, and for intense rivalries to develop. Yet at the same time, you genuinely want your players and your team to win every, single map they play, and if you're not doing everything it takes to win (within the rules), you're doing yourself, your players, and your fans an unacceptable disservice.

Somehow, these two desires, while in theory rather mutually exclusive, in practice coexist in every team owner's mind on a daily basis. And so, while on the one hand I hope that an EG player wins every single tournament in 2012, on the other hand I know that it's good for the sport if Liquid (and other teams) get their share of victories as well. So, Victor, and everyone at TL, I truly wish all of you good luck going into the new year.

Just, y'know, not too much luck, please .

-Alex
@ottersareneat on Twitter






This post needs more love. Thanks for writing this up Alex!


You're welcome... although, I think you're the only one that read it ;].


Nope. I did.

And I specially like how you put that other teams winning is good too, that is important and not many people would think of that.
MacDo
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada69 Posts
January 03 2012 12:03 GMT
#591
On January 02 2012 11:47 Oddslynx wrote:
SlayersDragon should have been given some consideration for most entertaining player. I'm always smiling when I watch him play.


I expected SlayersDragon to win this award =(
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
January 03 2012 14:32 GMT
#592
Great article sir. I had0a great time reading it. I wish we could have had a voting breakdown though, would have been nice to see how close or how far apart candidates are in TL's opinion.
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Chernobyl
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil143 Posts
January 03 2012 16:54 GMT
#593
On January 03 2012 21:03 MacDo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 11:47 Oddslynx wrote:
SlayersDragon should have been given some consideration for most entertaining player. I'm always smiling when I watch him play.


I expected SlayersDragon to win this award =(



I agree.
I think they neglected the good entreteining players like white-ra, dragon and destiny.
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
January 03 2012 20:55 GMT
#594
Both my penis and I agree, the thread that follows this wonderful article is almost as good. Yes I read every page, no I didn't get mired in the discussion. Why argue on TL about TL bias (as blatant as it clearly is)? Kidding

Advice to HuK: play hard to get n some hair tosses, HerO needs to work for it <3 <3 <3 :D
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Zarathusta
Profile Joined September 2010
United States114 Posts
January 03 2012 21:34 GMT
#595
Fun write up, 30 pages of heated debate so far. Its hard to say who the best team is, because the only half decent foreigner team league has been looted by SlayerS for months now, individuals are changing teams like hairstyles, and there is no "season" per se, so most people only remember who did well in the last event, not through the whole year.

I would have liked to seen a unit of the year award. Who would win? The "broken to pieces" SCV? The "revolutionary" Warp Prism? The "OMG IT WILL MOVE WHILE BURROWED?!?!?!" Baneling? Or would it be a three way tie between the "most complained about units in SCII" Ghost, Colossus, and Infestor?
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
January 03 2012 21:36 GMT
#596
On January 01 2012 22:39 JayJay_90 wrote:
nice writeup!
i gotta agree with this tweet by mousesports though
Show nested quote +
@mousesports wrote:
Sorry @TeamLiquidNet but @EvilGeniuses is MILES ahead of you in your 2011 team comparison. And that beeing said by us. LOL


Why is mousesports even getting involved in this? Pretty pathetic IMO. Don't they have team shit to think about instead of opinion-based end of year awards on a community website?

Apparently not.
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Goldbullet
Profile Joined August 2011
United States88 Posts
January 03 2012 23:20 GMT
#597
Loving what IdrA and what Nazgul is saying. People need to put things into perspective to fully grasp what measure were used in assigning the awards. Awesome write-up!! and let the haters hate!
may your plans be as dark and impenetrable as night, and when u move, fall like a thunderbolt.- Sun Tzu
vitruvia
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada235 Posts
January 04 2012 00:17 GMT
#598
wow i havent heard of the 2 of the 4 dramas you mentioned, i'm ashamed to know the other 2 though. lmao
what quote?
GohgamX
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1096 Posts
January 04 2012 00:20 GMT
#599
Enjoyed this article, thanks But y u no make a manor award (for White-ra)?! Thanks again fun read.
Time is a great teacher, unfortunate that it kills all its pupils ...
DanceSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States751 Posts
January 04 2012 01:03 GMT
#600
Very nice write ^^, there were one or two things I missed out on till now
Dance.943 || "I think he's just going to lose. There's only so many ways you can lose. And he's going to make some kind of units. And I'm going to attack him, and then all his stuff is going to die. That's about the best prediction that I can make" - NonY
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
January 04 2012 03:01 GMT
#601
Finally had the time to sit down and read this to completion. A great article with meaningful awards and thoughtful choices to who they go to. Thanks TL staff for another enjoyable contribution and thoughtful piece of content, a good way to sum up the year.
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twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
January 04 2012 04:27 GMT
#602
I am baffled by the fact that entire article has not mentioned Sen at all. Sen's accomplishment on 2011 deserves a mention at least, if not an award. He finished 3rd in NASL season 1, the best foreigner finish behind Koreans while defeating July. He finished 3rd in BlizzCon 2011, defeating Naniwa. He finished 3rd in NASL season 2, best foreigner finish again, behind Koreans yet defeating Thorzain. Hence if Naniwa and Thorzain get their tributes, where's sen's? Hell, if Idra, who has not win a MLG on 2011 except MLG "North American" Invitational, could get a mention for his entertainment value, why not mention Sen for some actual skills? The so called TL awards need to disclose its rewarding criterion, seriously.
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
Matkap
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain627 Posts
January 04 2012 10:42 GMT
#603
On January 04 2012 13:27 twndomn wrote:
I am baffled by the fact that entire article has not mentioned Sen at all. Sen's accomplishment on 2011 deserves a mention at least, if not an award. He finished 3rd in NASL season 1, the best foreigner finish behind Koreans while defeating July. He finished 3rd in BlizzCon 2011, defeating Naniwa. He finished 3rd in NASL season 2, best foreigner finish again, behind Koreans yet defeating Thorzain. Hence if Naniwa and Thorzain get their tributes, where's sen's? Hell, if Idra, who has not win a MLG on 2011 except MLG "North American" Invitational, could get a mention for his entertainment value, why not mention Sen for some actual skills? The so called TL awards need to disclose its rewarding criterion, seriously.


they already disclosed them, its for whoever the fuck they want, if you are so baffled create a blog with you own awards and give 60 to sen
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heavenplace
Profile Joined January 2012
Afghanistan1 Post
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 14:42:40
January 04 2012 14:42 GMT
#604
Bot edit.

User was banned for this post.
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AzM_PsY
Profile Joined January 2012
France8 Posts
January 04 2012 17:49 GMT
#605
Awesome Write-up even though i don't approve all the awards ^^
GJ anyway
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
January 05 2012 09:12 GMT
#606
For Liquid: Assembly Summer, GSL RO4, DreamHack Summer, DreamHack Winter, Blizzcon EU, and HomeStoryCup3. For EG: IPL1, IEM Cologne, IEM Guangzhou, MLG Orlando, GSL RO8, and ASUS ROG Stars.

ASUS ROG stars is a major notable championship? And where are the 2x NASL from EG?
ionize
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Ireland399 Posts
January 05 2012 19:52 GMT
#607
That was refreshing. I didn't follow SC2 too much in 2011, and this just helped me out a lot. Thanks for the write-up. And let me say "well deserved Day[9]".
I just love video games, what's your excuse?
gradotude
Profile Joined October 2009
United States196 Posts
January 06 2012 04:09 GMT
#608
Normally don't read through long featured news, but this was fun to read.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
January 06 2012 15:38 GMT
#609
This was very enjoyable. Makes me smile thinking back on 2011
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BoxMan362
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2 Posts
January 07 2012 17:42 GMT
#610
Ha I hope to see more write-ups like this xD Was quite enjoyable
xLethargicax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States469 Posts
January 09 2012 02:15 GMT
#611
Great article, it brought up to speed on a few things I missed out on! I followed early on in 2011, but dwindled later on!
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
January 25 2012 13:00 GMT
#612
On January 01 2012 23:00 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 22:53 nimdil wrote:
On January 01 2012 17:25 SovietHammer wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:51 Cynthesis wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:36 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 01 2012 14:34 Cynthesis wrote:
I disagree with the tie for team of the year. EG has the most golds out of any foreigner team (and in my personal opinion) the better line up. But I respect your opionon.

They do? Please line it up for me.


EG - Axslav, Demuslim, Idra, Incontrol, Huk, Machine, Puma, StrifeCro, JYP

Liquid - Tyler, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, Sheth, Hero, Zenio

2011 1st Places
Liquid (3)
Ret Assembly Winter, Battle.net European Invitational
Hero - Dreamhack Winter
EG (7)
Idra - IPL 1, IEM China
Huk - Dreamhack Summer, MLG Orlando
Puma - NASL 1, 2, IEM Cologne


As much as I root for TL and dislike EG, I agree that EG is clearly the top foreign team.

For reference you can check here: Liquipedia2


But see, that's Liquipedia so it clearly must be SUPER BIASED. God forbid TL gets nominated or an award for anything on teamliquid.net. -_-

Actually there were minor errors and for 2011 - as far as premier championships are concerned - EG was ahead of TL 5:4

EG:
MLG Orlando (HuK)
NASL Season 1 & 2 (PuMa both)
IEM Guangzhou and Cologne (IdrA and PuMa, respectively)

At the same time TL:
Assembly Winter (Ret)
DreamHack Summer and Winter (HuK and HerO)
European Battle.net Invitational (Ret)

Also both teams provided one Champion of MLG in 2010 and won one tournament that qualifies as "premier-championship-except-it-is-qualified-as-major-on-liquipedia": ROG for EG (IdrA) and HomeStory Cup III for TL (HuK).

All and all - EG seems slightly ahead from that point of view.

Please note that I'm not trying to restart flame or s.t. but when I previously provided the link, it listed as though both teams had 5 wins each (1 in 2010, 4 in 2011) and this was my error.

Chanikus
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia8 Posts
February 10 2012 06:00 GMT
#613
I'm surprised the Blizzcon 2011 mvp vs Nestea match didn't even make it onto the list. That had to be one of the most epic games I had ever seen.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
December 23 2012 02:38 GMT
#614
=D
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
December 30 2012 23:58 GMT
#615
Hey, tree
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Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
December 31 2012 17:50 GMT
#616
jeesus
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