EPT2011 in Review - TL Awards - Page 21
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-Strider-
Mexico1605 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
 There are no ties in starcraft2! | ||
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DueSs
United States765 Posts
On January 02 2012 06:11 Phayt wrote: Well then you would be just as wrong. I'm not going to argue about whether or not they should have been mentioned because it's entirely irrelevant. Mouz is not entitled to anything, and even if they believe that they've been snubbed or something silly like that, it should be beneath them to get snippy and belittle other teams in a public manner, over a little award blurb. It's just inappropriate. That kind of stuff is the territory of nobody forum posters, not a professional team's official media outlet. Ok, we'll just accept the fact that we're talking about two different things: nomination/twitter responses. We can agree that you think the nomination is irrelevant and I think the twitter response is irrelevant. See, we worked that out like big boys. | ||
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kvn4444
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flagg
Sweden123 Posts
Best team of the year (international) seems a bit strange. IMO it should be either Mouse or FXO or IM. There should be some kind of criteria. Is it a team with no Koreans? Is it a team that is controlled outside Korea? Is the result counted on individual basis or as a team? Is it any team with mixed Koreans and foreigners? Now the criteria seem to be: team controlled outside of Korea with max 2 Koreans and only counting individual results. Seems a bit far stretched to get the right winners in my opinion... Edit: ...or just call it most popular team and be done with it | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Kinda surprised by the player to watch section.. was expecting more obvious names like fOrGG and stuff. :o | ||
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Phayt
Canada346 Posts
On January 02 2012 06:15 DueSs wrote: Ok, we'll just accept the fact that we're talking about two different things: nomination/twitter responses. We can agree that you think the nomination is irrelevant and I think the twitter response is irrelevant. See, we worked that out like big boys. If you weren't talking about the twitter response, why did you quote my post regarding it, bold that section even, and proceed to disagree with me? | ||
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DueSs
United States765 Posts
On January 02 2012 06:19 Phayt wrote: If you weren't talking about the twitter response, why did you quote my post regarding it, bold that section even, and proceed to disagree with me? I guess you're fishing for an argument. I will answer your question though: I didn't say I wasn't talking about the twitter response, I said I think it's irrelevant to my point that they should have been nominated. K, let's quit this. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On January 02 2012 06:14 nttea wrote: LOL TL staff being complete pussies for not picking team of the year imo There are no ties in starcraft2!Tell that to Hasu and Beasty ^^ 60 supply vs 0 suply... DRAW DETECTED | ||
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llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
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EsMors
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 02 2012 06:12 -Strider- wrote: I HATE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T REMEMBER HOW GOOD LIQUID WAS THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR, THEY WERE THE BEST FOREIGN TEAAAMMMM :ALSfkiwjfqw9rf0q This For 10 months out of 12, no other team was even close on accomplishments. | ||
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Avs
Korea (North)857 Posts
On January 02 2012 06:29 EsMors wrote: Very nice article! I agree on many points, but I can't understand why FOrGG is not one of the three players to watch in 2012. Write for the foreign crowds on a site that caters primarily to that demographic. You don't really need their opinions anyways when you know whos who of the best and what to watch for. | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
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Killbydeath
Canada13 Posts
Should the international team of the years TL award be in the drama of 2012?  | ||
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WightyCity
Canada887 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 02 2012 05:18 -orb- wrote: Antiga got on the list because it's the most balanced map statistically in the pool. For the players we spoke to, balance was a split between Daybreak and Antiga. Terminus is not a balanced map, and there are so many versions of it, with important changes it's impossible to pick one. Calm Before the Storm is too new to really qualify. Crevasse is an awful map, you must be joking. Katrina hasn't been played in a single major tournament and it's a remake of a BW map. Cloud Kingdom might be the map of 2012, who knows!Awesome article, great read, but I find it absolutely despicable that antiga was a nominee for best map, and sad as well that dual sight was the other. For shame! Easily the worst, most inaccurate section of the awards. Terminus? Calm before the storm? Crevasse? Katrina? Cloud kingdom? All infinitely better picks imo.... I suppose you can argue for dual sight even though it was imbalanced because we saw some great games on it, but antiga shipyard is only good compared to all other blizzard maps. Compared to gsl and custom maps, antiga is garbage. A shame, but the quality of the rest of the article makes up for it. Still, it's a detail I'd like to see improved in the future. On January 02 2012 06:17 flagg wrote: Was a lot of fun to read and thank you for doing it! Best team of the year (international) seems a bit strange. IMO it should be either Mouse or FXO or IM. There should be some kind of criteria. Is it a team with no Koreans? Is it a team that is controlled outside Korea? Is the result counted on individual basis or as a team? Is it any team with mixed Koreans and foreigners? Now the criteria seem to be: team controlled outside of Korea with max 2 Koreans and only counting individual results. Seems a bit far stretched to get the right winners in my opinion... Edit: ...or just call it most popular team and be done with it We viewed FXO as a Korean team because of it's participation in the GSTL and KSL, and it's merger with fOu. Teams that weren't GSTL regulars, nor made exclusively of Koreans (Team aLive, for example) were considered for the international award. We took teamleagues into account for the international award, but came to the conclusion that the foreign scene really lacks a teamleague that is up to the GSTL standard. I can't speak for anyone else on this, but personally, I think eight teams is far too few for a teamleague, and that scheduling conflicts played too large a role in each teamleague to make the results too meaningful. Of course, however, I was cheering hard for Mousesports in the IPL TAC, and there's no denying that Liquid's defeat in that tournament was bad or that EG's absence in that event doesn't do them favors. But hopefully in 2012, we're going to have more team competition to factor into the equation. Moreover, the award was called 'Team of the Year' and not 'Best Team at the End of the Year' or 'Best Team in Team Events'. Otherwise, FXO or SlayerS would've won the Korean award. No, I feel Team of the Year recognizes that teams do a lot more than just playing teamleagues. Teams play a big role in individual leagues as well, and in all kinds of extra curricular stuff. I think 'Team of the Year' is a much more broad designation than most people seem to feel it is. And I didn't want to give Honorable Mentions at all, but obviously I didn't win that argument... On January 02 2012 06:33 Avs wrote: Write for the foreign crowds on a site that caters primarily to that demographic. You don't really need their opinions anyways when you know whos who of the best and what to watch for. The point was really to single out players who people wouldn't look at normally. I think everyone is going to be watching forGG, but it wouldn't have been so good of an article if I said; "Players to Watch For: forGG, MVP, MMA, GuMiHo, Bomber" | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
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WesleyLok
Canada99 Posts
Is it because this is their site and the writers aren't allowed to write otherwise? | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On January 02 2012 07:01 WesleyLok wrote: Didn't Teamliquid go like 0-9 in IPL team arena and ended up with 1-10 or something? How the hell are they "tied for team of the year" ??? Is it because this is their site and the writers aren't allowed to write otherwise? Nah, it was mostly because of their singular awards and the foreign team events weren't weighted as heavily as those single awards. In the panel, I actually had Slayers/Mouz as my teams of the year, but I regressed my position when the term team of the year was defined. If it was strictly on team events, those would have been my two teams, but when you look at the players on said team and what team had the best players, etc. in singular competitions with team championships just a secondary plus, then IM romps for the Korean side and the International side is more hazy. | ||
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