On January 02 2012 04:01 tuho12345 wrote:
Oh plz Mouz only winning in team league and a few tourneys with T-Zain. Can't compare them to TL, TL is bigger and competing in GSL right now.

Mouz is in GSL too....

fcgog

United Kingdom876 Posts

January 01 2012 19:07 GMT

#364

worst was that mouz was't even a nominee

dibban

Sweden1279 Posts

January 01 2012 19:10 GMT

#365

I don't even follow SC2. But this was a great read! Thanks

Captain Peabody

United States3137 Posts

January 01 2012 19:11 GMT

#366

I don't know why this is such a hard concept to grasp--how good a year a team has is not equivalent to the win percentages of their players. It has to do with successful promotion of their brand, high-profile tournament wins, and the like. In this, TL and EG, like it or not, are indeed ahead of the pack. TL vs EG itself is more debatable, but both teams have had many high-profile tournament wins this year, and both are pretty close in terms of fanbases and promotion; EG, I think, has had slightly better results, and TL has been slightly better in promotion and name-brand power (EG has had some scrape-ups along the way, such as the Milkis incident). Given that, it doesn't seem to me to be at all strange to give them an overall tie in such a broadly-worded category.

It doesn't mean your favorite team sucks. It is what it is.

Captain Peabody

United States3137 Posts

January 01 2012 19:12 GMT

#367

Oh, and amazing writeup. I really enjoyed it.

Elefanto

Switzerland3584 Posts

January 01 2012 19:13 GMT

#368

Thank you for the write-up. Great effort and it looks really good and i agree with most.
Still, some things come off as sugarcoated, instead of hart hitting truths supported with facts.

Hardigan

Switzerland1297 Posts

January 01 2012 19:15 GMT

#369

I find it a little bit strange that TL closed the other thread about Mouz bashing....

anyway, I don't really agree with the choices made here:
-Kiwikaki as most creative? Painuser/Idra pretty much summed it up on ITG that this isn't really true. Even Whithra would have been better.
-(Korea)Team of the year is IM? well, I think MVP and Nestea are player of the Year but as Team itself i think Slayers would have been better, because they didn't start with the big guns.
-And yeah, the international Team of the year...
And why isn't Puma vs MC at NASL 1 on the list for Game of the year??

bbm

United Kingdom1320 Posts

January 01 2012 19:17 GMT

#370

Would have put mouz bigs, or slayers golden or crank maybe as ones to watch for 2012 but still nice article

mYNDIG

Norway179 Posts

January 01 2012 19:19 GMT

#371

First, truly happy to see Snute mentioned. A remarkable player, and a truly cool person as well. And to do some self promotion, did an interview with him back at ESWC.

I won't argue with the list in itself like some people do here, because there truly isn't a point in doing that. You might disagree with some of their selections, as you should, but there are limits to how far you should go.

With the Team award, I guess a few people share my view on what criteria should be used. My view isn't that you should award them by what victories / achievements they have in solo tournaments, but more what the team have done as a hole. In team tournaments. Only problem is that there isn't any offline team tournaments outside of Korea.

Next year you should include what ciriterias you used for the different awards, just to shut up a few of the people complaining = )

Rylaji

Sweden580 Posts

January 01 2012 19:35 GMT

#372

I thought the EG - Mouz rivalry was far more entertaining than EG - TL. Also some of this is too biased for my taste =(

JujuXG

United States373 Posts

January 01 2012 19:43 GMT

#373

We should just let the TL community vote on a year end Startcraft 2 award.

devPLEASE

Kenya605 Posts

January 01 2012 19:49 GMT

#374

Happy that these amazing writers are still here. Nice read! Anyway, happy new years to everyone! Stay safe

Nizzy

United States839 Posts

January 01 2012 19:52 GMT

#375

Great read. I think its fine that EG & TL tied for best team. However I think next year EG might be way above them. It's kind of a dumb thing to say though, a year is so long, 100 big tournaments, anything can happen. Goodluck all!

Slaptoast

Canada134 Posts

January 01 2012 19:54 GMT

#376

Needs best upset for QXC all killing IM

netsky4

Austria511 Posts

January 01 2012 19:56 GMT

#377

Really great write up, just seems that the awards were only picked for the most "famous" once, not the actual best nominees.
Might be a mater of opinions, why wouldn't you let the community vote ?

Ryps

Romania2740 Posts

January 01 2012 20:00 GMT

#378

On January 02 2012 04:04 Frankon wrote:

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Mouz is in GSL too....

How is that an achievement when they got invited ?

Its not like they won it or anything, this goes for both arguments for TL and Mouz

o)_Saurus

Germany260 Posts

January 01 2012 20:01 GMT

#379

Most Revolutionary:
Mill.Stephano

A player is more revolutionary than a streaming service or a completely new tournament idea (HSC)?
Sorry but I have to disagree about that. Stephano calling the "Most Revolutionary" is bullshit. Maybe the best player or the nicest guy or whatever but not this award.

I mean i can partly understand that he shocked the scene by beating "A-Koreans" at IPL3 but other Foreigners also did that, even if they were not that successful. On the other hand twitch tv (and all the other streaming services) brought us new possibilities to follow our heros and learn from them. HSC transformed the idea of LAN and brought it to a whole new level. Imho these things were more revolutionary than a single player beating some koreans (which i know could be done - because I followed Grubby and the wc3 scene).

makk

United Kingdom132 Posts

January 01 2012 20:04 GMT

#380

If you measure a teams success by their earnings I think TL and EG would come out pretty much even if you take into account when the players were and were not on the teams.