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pAzand
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden539 Posts
January 02 2012 02:33 GMT
#461
I'm glad you didn't try to put all the people in this thread in the same room to make this list up. Just hundreds of people shouting out their own opinions with very selective memory, would have taken forever...

I loved the article but staying awake skimming through this thread just makes me want to shoot myself+ Show Spoiler +
and people believing that EG-Mouz was a bigger rivalry than EG-Liquid with me
..

Biggest achievement of the year goes to Liquid'Jinro imho, haven't cheered like I did for him in Season 1 for anything else than Arsenal before! Here's to a Great year of Starcraft and a great year here on TL. Cheers!

If you can chill.. Chill!
pseudocalm
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada98 Posts
January 02 2012 02:34 GMT
#462
♥♥♥ tl
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Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
January 02 2012 02:43 GMT
#463
Such an incredible writeup! Read every word :D

On a personal note, thank you so much for the award!!!! I was feeling a little down on mahself, and this writeup came totally out of the blue and made me be like "C:"

TY TL! :D :D :D
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 02 2012 02:45 GMT
#464
For Kiwikaki, you forgot the double gate zealot after a ffe :D
It's quite clever so i thought it could be worthy to mention
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Oddslynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Australia34 Posts
January 02 2012 02:47 GMT
#465
SlayersDragon should have been given some consideration for most entertaining player. I'm always smiling when I watch him play.
TheBamf
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark366 Posts
January 02 2012 02:47 GMT
#466
Though I strongly disagree with some of the winners I still found the thread really nice. It took me back throughout the last couple of months (you left out a lot of stuff or almost all of the stuff of the first half of the year) and I enjoyed the ride : )
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Etienne
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany27 Posts
January 02 2012 03:15 GMT
#467
Some of this Awards are so wrong... Mostly Liquid gets most of the Awards cause it's from Liquid.. hmm
Well but gratulations to the winners
Currently working for .. nothing :(
Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
January 02 2012 03:54 GMT
#468
well written. However, imo the awards had a heavy foreign bias and I strongly disagree with a lot of the winners. But we are the foreign community so i guess that's understandable.
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
January 02 2012 04:09 GMT
#469
Can I get a wallpaper version of this:



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DueSs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States765 Posts
January 02 2012 04:43 GMT
#470
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 06:06:49
January 02 2012 05:23 GMT
#471
On January 02 2012 06:45 tree.hugger wrote:
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On January 02 2012 05:18 -orb- wrote:
Awesome article, great read, but I find it absolutely despicable that antiga was a nominee for best map, and sad as well that dual sight was the other. For shame! Easily the worst, most inaccurate section of the awards.

Terminus?
Calm before the storm?
Crevasse?
Katrina?
Cloud kingdom?

All infinitely better picks imo.... I suppose you can argue for dual sight even though it was imbalanced because we saw some great games on it, but antiga shipyard is only good compared to all other blizzard maps. Compared to gsl and custom maps, antiga is garbage.

A shame, but the quality of the rest of the article makes up for it. Still, it's a detail I'd like to see improved in the future.
Antiga got on the list because it's the most balanced map statistically in the pool. For the players we spoke to, balance was a split between Daybreak and Antiga. Terminus is not a balanced map, and there are so many versions of it, with important changes it's impossible to pick one. Calm Before the Storm is too new to really qualify. Crevasse is an awful map, you must be joking. Katrina hasn't been played in a single major tournament and it's a remake of a BW map. Cloud Kingdom might be the map of 2012, who knows!

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On January 02 2012 06:17 flagg wrote:
Was a lot of fun to read and thank you for doing it!


Best team of the year (international) seems a bit strange. IMO it should be either Mouse or FXO or IM.

There should be some kind of criteria. Is it a team with no Koreans? Is it a team that is controlled outside Korea? Is the result counted on individual basis or as a team? Is it any team with mixed Koreans and foreigners?

Now the criteria seem to be: team controlled outside of Korea with max 2 Koreans and only counting individual results.

Seems a bit far stretched to get the right winners in my opinion...

Edit: ...or just call it most popular team and be done with it

We viewed FXO as a Korean team because of it's participation in the GSTL and KSL, and it's merger with fOu. Teams that weren't GSTL regulars, nor made exclusively of Koreans (Team aLive, for example) were considered for the international award. We took teamleagues into account for the international award, but came to the conclusion that the foreign scene really lacks a teamleague that is up to the GSTL standard.

I can't speak for anyone else on this, but personally, I think eight teams is far too few for a teamleague, and that scheduling conflicts played too large a role in each teamleague to make the results too meaningful. Of course, however, I was cheering hard for Mousesports in the IPL TAC, and there's no denying that Liquid's defeat in that tournament was bad or that EG's absence in that event doesn't do them favors. But hopefully in 2012, we're going to have more team competition to factor into the equation.

Moreover, the award was called 'Team of the Year' and not 'Best Team at the End of the Year' or 'Best Team in Team Events'. Otherwise, FXO or SlayerS would've won the Korean award. No, I feel Team of the Year recognizes that teams do a lot more than just playing teamleagues. Teams play a big role in individual leagues as well, and in all kinds of extra curricular stuff. I think 'Team of the Year' is a much more broad designation than most people seem to feel it is.

And I didn't want to give Honorable Mentions at all, but obviously I didn't win that argument...

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On January 02 2012 06:33 Avs wrote:
On January 02 2012 06:29 EsMors wrote:
Very nice article! I agree on many points, but I can't understand why FOrGG is not one of the three players to watch in 2012.


Write for the foreign crowds on a site that caters primarily to that demographic. You don't really need their opinions anyways when you know whos who of the best and what to watch for.

The point was really to single out players who people wouldn't look at normally. I think everyone is going to be watching forGG, but it wouldn't have been so good of an article if I said; "Players to Watch For: forGG, MVP, MMA, GuMiHo, Bomber"


You really think Crevasse is such a bad map that I must be joking? I most certainly am not joking. Crevasse was a revolutionary map that really improved the map scene overall in sc2. More expansions, interesting attack paths, actual interesting usage of destructable rocks (the first partial block on a ramp like that too iirc which is used all the time now), the first map with an in-base expansion, etc. It was one of the best maps ever in SC2 specifically because the in-base expansion with its rich vespene geyser allowed excellent players to prepare specific builds for that map that would give them an edge. It allowed a ton of creativity, and it wasn't that poorly balanced.

One of the best maps in the history of SC2. I find it comical that you seem to think it's so atrocious.

And actually looking at the statistics, it's one of the most balanced maps to date.... what rock have you been living under that you think it's such a garbage map?
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
Sipher
Profile Joined January 2011
United States333 Posts
January 02 2012 05:32 GMT
#472
Thanks for the great read (and videos...loved seeing those celebrations again).

Also, reading through these comments made me lol
ABAH
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia43 Posts
January 02 2012 05:37 GMT
#473
Great article, summed things up nicely, wouldn't have minded a mention of mouz sports though. They've been ever present and often don't quite get the air time they deserve.

Would love to see a Team Liquid players top 10 moments of the year as well.

<3 TL
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Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
January 02 2012 06:06 GMT
#474
On January 02 2012 09:36 bruteMax wrote:
Whaa? Thorzain isn't as big a surprise as Leenock winning MLG, then coming in 2nd at GSL. TSL3 isn't nearly as big an event as either of the other two, so biggest breakout is defined in part by the grandeur of the event as well.



Anyone who had watched Leenock play in GSL would have seen that he was incredibly talented with decent results. It was only time before those decent results turned into something bigger. Him breaking out would not really be a surprise to many.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 06:09:04
January 02 2012 06:08 GMT
#475
On January 02 2012 15:06 Takezou wrote:
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On January 02 2012 09:36 bruteMax wrote:
Whaa? Thorzain isn't as big a surprise as Leenock winning MLG, then coming in 2nd at GSL. TSL3 isn't nearly as big an event as either of the other two, so biggest breakout is defined in part by the grandeur of the event as well.



Anyone who had watched Leenock play in GSL would have seen that he was incredibly talented with decent results. It was only time before those decent results turned into something bigger. Him breaking out would not really be a surprise to many.


Anyone who watches the korean weekly saw him as well. He certainly didn't come out of nowhere except to people not in tune with the korean scene
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
January 02 2012 06:36 GMT
#476
Great article but I thought the descriptions of the "worst drama" nominees were kind of tasteless and out of context. The one about Jessica actually WAS a serious case, it's just difficult to grasp how different that kind of topic is in Korea and the States.
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 07:31:22
January 02 2012 07:26 GMT
#477
On January 02 2012 03:40 Kennigit wrote:
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On January 02 2012 00:33 Thorzain wrote:
mouz doesn't have any korean mercenaries!!

They have Swedish mercenaries picked up right before major title wins ;o

lolol :D

nice writeup and congrats to the winners. happy new year

sad to see tasteless and artosis not getting awards tho

team of the year imo goes strongly to EG. better content, more stuff going on with announcements (aswell as announcements of announcements), more achievements and their players being in the spotlight alot more than TL xD
not to mention their great international pro house and their recent travel to slayers house
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 02 2012 07:29 GMT
#478
On January 02 2012 13:43 DueSs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?

not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.
its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.
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MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
January 02 2012 07:33 GMT
#479
On January 02 2012 16:29 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 13:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?

not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.
its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.

hey greg ur team sounds pretty sweet, ill join for 4k a month
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
January 02 2012 07:33 GMT
#480
On January 02 2012 15:08 -orb- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 15:06 Takezou wrote:
On January 02 2012 09:36 bruteMax wrote:
Whaa? Thorzain isn't as big a surprise as Leenock winning MLG, then coming in 2nd at GSL. TSL3 isn't nearly as big an event as either of the other two, so biggest breakout is defined in part by the grandeur of the event as well.



Anyone who had watched Leenock play in GSL would have seen that he was incredibly talented with decent results. It was only time before those decent results turned into something bigger. Him breaking out would not really be a surprise to many.


Anyone who watches the korean weekly saw him as well. He certainly didn't come out of nowhere except to people not in tune with the korean scene


Meh, I had my eye on Leenock even when he was failing in Code A, but when I watched him (heck, when I still watch him) I keep dreaming of Leenock in 2 years or so.

To me, a Leenock fan, seeing him make the grand finals of a GSL, win an MLG and be generally accepted as one of the best zergs in the world in the space of a couple of months is a shock.

However, Thorzain definitely is more surprising than Leenock. Leenock's growth is what's surprising, but he had some good games even last year and people already had expectations for the future for him. Thorzain on the other hand...well as the article says, most people were probably saying "Who?" the entire time through TSL3. And now he's one of the most respected terran players from Europe.
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