EPT2011 in Review - TL Awards - Page 26
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Harris1st
Germany6928 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On January 02 2012 19:49 Latty wrote: i dont know why all you guys discuss the awards? i think this is a unique "eSports" thing to complain about everything everywhere everytime. never saw or read discussions and comments about other awards like oscar, nobel prize, other sports awards. ... the internet is a weird place but to reflect the year i made my own awards: Douche of the Year: Naniwa Team hurting eSport the most: EG - because in other Sports the "throw money at people" behavior already caused problems and created disgusting leagues and results. In the German Ultra Scene for Football we would say saying: "Statt Gier und Kommerz, Spieler mit Herz!" transalted: Instead of greed and commerce, a player with heart. So your awards insult people? Great. You think people don't complain about the Oscars or pro sports awards? Apparently you must live in a bubble. Any award ever given will be hotly debated by die hard fans unless it is a situation where the best person is so much better than the competition in every way that it can't even be debated. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 02 2012 19:42 Harris1st wrote: SHOWMATCH Teamliquid vs Evil Geniuses Best of Eleven - All Kill Format Casting: Tastosis or Day9 + Husky or Total Apollo / D Biscuit Prizepool: Team of the Year Award + Honor + People who wanna donate maybe PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN There can only be one Even better, make it a best of 15, so that the whole teams can play to get a good reding of who is better Edit: Nice writeup, gratz to all Awardwinners, you deserve it, and keep doing what you're doing  This might be necessary. | ||
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Milvus
Switzerland400 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
+winner team gets to play SaSe | ||
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twinkiehouse
United States8 Posts
however keen has now been robbed twice, and i am enraged.  | ||
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jpank
United States23 Posts
Tl's really in between a rock and a hard place. One of the great things about TeamLiquid is the website and the life they breathe into esports with the website. As such though it's difficult for them to do awesome articles like these because they're a participating competing team. Whether it's difficult because of there own bias or because of their audience's assumed bias is irrelevant; it's there, regardless in the former or latter. But what's a team? That topics been hash over and over but Idra has it right: team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not. I love the team leagues and I hope the foreign scene makes a strong home for it in 2012. However SC2 is not designed as a team oriented sport, such as football or baseball; it's player verse player, mano a mano. Arguably the team leagues are pseudonym as the battles are still 1v1 and not 2's/3's/4's. That issue makes deciding "Best Team" much more difficult and arguably undecidable. What exactly are you judging on? Results are surely influential, but it's not just about the individual (the antithesis of "team). It seems it should be about the team itself. What do we think when we hear "SlayerS" or "ACE". Why are players proud to put on the clan tag of one team and what does it mean to represent one or the other? I think attacking this article for the team rivarly elements a tad foolish, although TL didn't do its self any favors not adding in Mouz at least to the nominations. Other than the team leagues it seems a majority of people (imo) agree they don't neccesarily win out on the issue but you still gotta give props where its due; life's still highschool no matter where you go. Gj TL, loved the article and all you do. GG 2011. GLHF 2012. (Eg, you're cool. I'm a TL guy, but you're ok.) + Show Spoiler + I read through 25 pages of this stuff because I was looking for one simple post. I felt I earned the right to post.+ Show Spoiler + Naniwa really comes off like a total jerk to me. Imo. And Idra came off as really mature. Go figure. | ||
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skyrunner
371 Posts
Zing! SaSe for team of the year hahaha :D Great write-up btw. and i didn't take the awards so seriously  | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
Idra - was on a team with everybody on EG before he went to korea (and I think after still too) is really good friends with them. When he leaves CJ to play SC2, EG is an obvious choice for him. JYP is the same story as idra... old teammate of Puma, had no team, Puma gets him to join EG. Sure you could say they "bought" Puma/Huk, but I'm neither of them were getting anywhere near as much as EG gives, and is that a bad thing to want players to make a lot of money? Now lets look at TL... tyler/Nony wasn't really on a team, was on estro for a bit, came home to finish school/get married and whatever, wins TSL2 and gets signed by TL. Sheth was on FXO, playing super well. The instant TL hears he is leaving FXO they sign him. Ret was on LowLandLions (I think that's who it was at the time) was playing well, everybody knew he was a beast, TL signs him from there. Hero and Zenio, both on oGs and TL signs them both. How are these 2 teams different other than the fact that EG has more money to offer players when they sign them? | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
Also, qxc throwing his bandana in the crowd after all-killing IM? | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 02 2012 20:38 aike wrote: Why do people say EG "bought" all of their players like it's a horrible team and that TL is not like that at all?? Now lets look at TL... tyler/Nony wasn't really on a team, was on estro for a bit, came home to finish school/get married and whatever, wins TSL2 and gets signed by TL. Sheth was on FXO, playing super well. The instant TL hears he is leaving FXO they sign him. Ret was on LowLandLions (I think that's who it was at the time) was playing well, everybody knew he was a beast, TL signs him from there. Hero and Zenio, both on oGs and TL signs them both. How are these 2 teams different other than the fact that EG has more money to offer players when they sign them? Pretty sure it was Liquid'Nony that won TSL2. Sheth and Ret were natural picks as BW oldtimers who knew each other and the rest of the team very well (Sheth had nothing in common with FXO anyway, he is a Root player, and sadly there is no more Root). Hero and Zenio lived with TL members for several years - TL so far has only signed oGs players from Korea, and only when it was a move that everyone wanted. In fact, Huk is the ONLY player TL signed that didn't have any real connection to the team from before he was signed. And we all know how that turned out, so yeah... Having more money IS the difference. It creates unfair competition. It's why we can't have more actual Starcraft teams like Liquid and Root. A lot of fans wants to see teams compete in Starcraft, not in how successful they are as a business or who can spend more. It boggles my mind how people fail to understand this reasoning (whether they agree with it or not). It's as hard as trying to explain to some people why capitalism is, in fact, not the best thing since sliced bread. -_- | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 02 2012 14:23 -orb- wrote: Not balanced in Korea. Crevasse was the go-to map for terran players for the whole first half of the year, I can't think of a single non-terran who liked it, and eventually, even the terrans hated it because they hated playing TvT on it. And you can't seriously give Crevasse credit for something like a backdoor expansion; there were tons of BW maps that had backdoor expansions, it's far from a new development in mapmaking. You really think Crevasse is such a bad map that I must be joking? I most certainly am not joking. Crevasse was a revolutionary map that really improved the map scene overall in sc2. More expansions, interesting attack paths, actual interesting usage of destructable rocks (the first partial block on a ramp like that too iirc which is used all the time now), the first map with an in-base expansion, etc. It was one of the best maps ever in SC2 specifically because the in-base expansion with its rich vespene geyser allowed excellent players to prepare specific builds for that map that would give them an edge. It allowed a ton of creativity, and it wasn't that poorly balanced. One of the best maps in the history of SC2. I find it comical that you seem to think it's so atrocious. And actually looking at the statistics, it's one of the most balanced maps to date.... what rock have you been living under that you think it's such a garbage map? On January 02 2012 19:27 Aunvilgod wrote: myEG.net doesn't compete with TL.net, nor should it be expected to. TL.net and TLAF-Liquid are two different things. The better comparison is TeamLiquidPro and myEG.net, which are vaguely similar.Yeah? I have not seen anything comparable to tl.net by EG. EG is the more successful team though. So in this regard a tie is okay. | ||
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
Otherwise good writeup. | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 02 2012 21:05 labbe wrote: lol @ Team Liquid awarding themselves "Team of the year" :D Mousesports is the best foreigner team by far, and they are the only foreigner team who does not need to buy in koreans to give them results. Otherwise good writeup. Have you even read the thread? I'm getting so annoyed by people who just pop in to make an identical point to fifty other people, with no reference to the opposite perspective. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On January 02 2012 21:04 tree.hugger wrote: Not balanced in Korea. Crevasse was the go-to map for terran players for the whole first half of the year, I can't think of a single non-terran who liked it, and eventually, even the terrans hated it because they hated playing TvT on it. And you can't seriously give Crevasse credit for something like a backdoor expansion; there were tons of BW maps that had backdoor expansions, it's far from a new development in mapmaking. Orb says that Crevasse is an astounding map because of all the features it basically introduced as viable and showed how they work out. You should know by now that you can't compare BW / Sc2 maps, bw maps that are completely viable in bw can be absolute garbage in Sc2 (and basically every BW map remake was, in fact, garbage). While we were still playing on shitty 2 player maps like Blistering Sands, Steppes of War, Delta Quadrant etc., GSL added a map like 5 times the size of them, with so many interesting features, that could, potentially, make for an completely imbalanced game with shitty dynamice. I think Orb advocates Crevasse more because of how much it pioneered the map making in general, while also stating that the balance was, even thought it was a huge experiment without any actual knowledge what's needed for a good game, more than sufficient. And i have to agree with him, if you introduce an imbalanced (like really fucking imbalanced)map like Dual Sight and then go on to refute him with "Not balanced in Korea. Crevasse was the go-to map for terran players for the whole first half of the year, I can't think of a single non-terran who liked it, and eventually, even the terrans hated it because they hated playing TvT on it" it comes off as kinda weird. It's the same for Dual Sight, it's ridiculously imbalanced in favor of Zerg. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
.Meta-bias nominated for best word in 2012? | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
Maybe neccessary, and for sure it would be awesome as hell!!! | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
OMG mouz didn't win? Merlock dance sucks.. Idra entertaining? This is not your best of 2011.. this is tl.net's "Best of 2011"! Can they use their own minds or every article needs to be a poll so that people can choose who they want to win? Agree with most and it was overall a great read! thank you and keep up the good work! | ||
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VENDIZ
1575 Posts
On January 02 2012 05:57 Mindor wrote: Make ManCity into Chelsea and you might have a match...Tradition and the feeling of connection you've described is not something you can create by not buying the best players possible when you have the chance. So you want Chelsea? Oh wow, words cannot describe! | ||
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Nifel
706 Posts
Although I'm not going to comment on the rewards themselves, I have to chime in and give a shout out to Mouz. Such a small roster, but every single member stands out so much, both in terms of showmanship and style, while also being an absolute top player in their own right. Still <3 TL, EG and everyone else though. :D | ||
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