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2011 in Review - TL Awards - Page 28

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DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
January 02 2012 16:05 GMT
#541
well wrote and really cool to read.
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
Icky
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark95 Posts
January 02 2012 16:05 GMT
#542
Nice article. A bit disappointed that IdrA vs. Bomber games at MLG Orlando weren't mentioned but otherwise awesome list.
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
January 02 2012 17:00 GMT
#543
Nice article, my foreign team of the year would be Mouz though.
They played much better in the team leagues than both EG and TL and they don't even have Koreans in their line-up to do so.
marmuc
Profile Joined August 2011
110 Posts
January 02 2012 17:04 GMT
#544
team of the year choice is sooo funny since mouz is like 100 times better than EG... and teamliquid? sorry, I respect the community here etc, but the team is only average.
Pres1990
Profile Joined April 2011
Poland14 Posts
January 02 2012 17:12 GMT
#545
Team of the year - Mouz ( won eg cup's twice +2nd IPL team arena + a lot medals in major tournaments)
Most entertaining player - MC in lans , white-ra online
Mose revolutionary - homestorycup
Rivaly of the year MVP vs Nestea
DueSs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States765 Posts
January 02 2012 17:37 GMT
#546
On January 02 2012 16:29 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 13:43 DueSs wrote:
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote:
its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)

I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.

You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?

not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not.
its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.


okok, I get your point. But I guess the devil's advocate argument here is that if you were to make nominations for "team of the year" to say.. pro American football.. You nominate the Packers (#1) and Saints (#2) and that's it. You don't nominate any other team because (let's just say) the Packers and Saints do significantly more for charity, NFL, and the general NFL sports scene than any other team (especially say the 49ers [#3]). You still think the 49ers shouldn't be even mentioned in a single sentence, much less nominated at all?

I dunno. Maybe you're right.
kellymilkies
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore1393 Posts
January 02 2012 17:47 GMT
#547
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. Fucking love Team Liquid
Be the change you wish to see in the world ^-^V //
scarymeerkat
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada107 Posts
January 02 2012 18:30 GMT
#548
Yeah. My impression of this thread so far is that people arguing for mouz haven't really read the TL and EG arguments. I think they make a lot of sense. IdrA and TL mods spittin' some truth, yo. Mouz is an excellent team yes, noone is disputing that, but going with the criteria that the award was based on (you could argue that makes the title a little bit of a misnomer?) Mouz does not 100% deserve a nomination. Maybe they do, but not a clearcut yes afaic.

And I think people are forgetting that these awards aren't the end all and be all. It's not like anyone is winning anything real here, no money, no trophies.

On TL vs EG.... obviously bias comes into play. But I think TL compensated for bias properly. A tie is fair. Individual accomplishments for the year are pretty even, and outside the game they do do a lot too. Remember once again that I'm saying that according to the criteria for the award, EG and TL tying was a fair result.
"From... BootySmackarack" - Artosis reading GOM interview questions
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 02 2012 18:51 GMT
#549
A little late, TL. I am dissapoint.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
January 02 2012 18:59 GMT
#550
Great article, fun to read!
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
January 02 2012 19:00 GMT
#551
If Dual sight would have been voted Map of the year I would have adblocked TL just as punishment.
That map should be voted worst map of the year ^^
Rabbet
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada404 Posts
January 02 2012 19:16 GMT
#552
On January 02 2012 19:42 Harris1st wrote:
SHOWMATCH


Teamliquid vs Evil Geniuses

Best of Eleven - All Kill Format

Casting: Tastosis or Day9 + Husky or Total Apollo / D Biscuit

Prizepool: Team of the Year Award + Honor + People who wanna donate maybe



PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN



There can only be one

Even better, make it a best of 15, so that the whole teams can play to get a good reding of who is better

Edit: Nice writeup, gratz to all Awardwinners, you deserve it, and keep doing what you're doing


Why even have a BO11 when clearly the winner should be "who does the most for esports"?
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
January 02 2012 19:28 GMT
#553
On January 03 2012 04:16 Rabbet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:42 Harris1st wrote:
SHOWMATCH


Teamliquid vs Evil Geniuses

Best of Eleven - All Kill Format

Casting: Tastosis or Day9 + Husky or Total Apollo / D Biscuit

Prizepool: Team of the Year Award + Honor + People who wanna donate maybe



PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN



There can only be one

Even better, make it a best of 15, so that the whole teams can play to get a good reding of who is better

Edit: Nice writeup, gratz to all Awardwinners, you deserve it, and keep doing what you're doing


Why even have a BO11 when clearly the winner should be "who does the most for esports"?

I actually don't understand why EG vs TL, because Mouz actually called TL out. And then the winner gets to be the Team of the Year together with EG.
FuDDx *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States5008 Posts
January 02 2012 19:37 GMT
#554
It is amazing the work each and everyone of you do here at this site (mods/Admins) I love every minute I get to call this site my home. Keep up the amazing work!!! One day I hope more of you guys get paid positions (if possible !!)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Balloon-Man-FuDD/237447769616965?ref=hl
fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 20:37:48
January 02 2012 20:05 GMT
#555
On January 01 2012 23:17 Warsfear wrote:
Completely wrong. Breakout Performance: by far Leenock. Best Game: drg vs mma is highly over-hyped and actually a poorly played game for those who understand the match-up; much more interesting would be jjakji leenock or mvp leenock regarding tvz. Best Event: how columbus could be chosen over providence is truly remarkable.


I don't understand how you could've read the article and come to this conclusion. Did you just skim over the results?

Breakout Performance: key word is BREAKOUT. Leenock was noticed since GSL2 (or 3?) for his excellent play and people have commented and expected him to be awesome since then. Yes his MLG run was ridiculously epic and unexpected, but he's been very well known for the past year. Thorzain, as stated in the article, came out of nowhere, was the underdog in every match of the TSL and defeated past GSL champions to nab the title and establishing his name. That's what breakout means.

Best Game: The best game doesn't just come from technical expertise or understanding of the matchup. It has to include the tension, the storylines and the drama that led to the best game. As mentioned the final game was ridiculously epic, especially since MMA went 3-0 on Z favoured maps then DRG somehow came back with 3 games on T favoured maps. These 2 have been rivals for a long time as well so the drama, tension etc was all there.

Best Event: If you read the article you'd know why they chose Columbus. it was the first time that people truly felt esports has arrived in the West

Edit: also reading through this thread there seems to be a lot of whine about mouz not winning best team even though they have more team league wins...until starcraft 2 has a premier teamleague like proleague, individual results from major tournaments where the best players are putting in their best efforts will have higher prestige when ranking teams. As someone who only follows the pro scene casually, i didn't even know there was a teamleague apart from GSTL, and i think this will be true for most of the SC2 crowd except the very hardcore. until teamleagues become universally known and followed by most people who watch starcraft 2 and with all the best teams competing with their best players, don't expect them to be worth very much
wUndertUnge
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1125 Posts
January 02 2012 20:23 GMT
#556
Very classy giving Huk an award, even after he leaves the team. Stay classy, TL.
Clan: QQGC - wundertunge#1850
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
January 02 2012 20:31 GMT
#557
this article made day9 happy, therefore it is perfect... btw team of the year is easily tt-esports
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
January 02 2012 20:40 GMT
#558
I'm just sad that MMA didn't get any award for greatest improvement or something along those lines even though he already received one from the Koreans.

He should get the "MVP's Kryptonite" award because if it wasn't for him MVP would have won even more championships
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
Gyger
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway18 Posts
January 02 2012 20:40 GMT
#559
Snute for pro in 2012!
Nice article, it was a very nice read.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
January 02 2012 20:55 GMT
#560
Love the article...

Love everyone getting all riled up over what is essentially an OPINION piece lol...
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