2011 in Review - TL Awards - Page 27
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Longshank
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Ryukku
Singapore545 Posts
haha =p... the fact that people can have some a heated debate / argument over something as simple as a writeup to sum up the year just means that esports is getting bigger, and im glad! =D i found this article a great read! there will always be people with differing views, but for the most part, i agree to alot of it! Thanks alot and happy new year to everyone!!! cant wait for what 2012 has in stall for us in esports!!!! | ||
RotterdaM
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FuFighter
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how
United States538 Posts
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ChriS-X
Malaysia1374 Posts
On January 02 2012 22:02 Nifel wrote: Awesome read. Thank you so much TL for doing this (and making eSports happen). Although I'm not going to comment on the rewards themselves, I have to chime in and give a shout out to Mouz. Such a small rooster, but every single member stands out so much, both in terms of showmanship and style, while also being an absolute top player in their own right. Still <3 TL, EG and everyone else though. :D are you saying they have a small..... cock? | ||
lethal111
Canada460 Posts
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Nifel
706 Posts
On January 02 2012 23:01 ChriS-X wrote: mkp doing the kong dance <3 are you saying they have a small..... cock? Lmao, didn't think anyone would catch that mistake :D Anyway, let's move on! | ||
koning
Belgium29 Posts
Nice read though, too bad you have to deal with all these kiddies | ||
PrAeToR.FeNiX
Canada361 Posts
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Matkap
Spain627 Posts
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Fleshcut
Germany592 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On January 02 2012 16:29 IdrA wrote: not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not. its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea. Greg, That's why we hand out individual titles for those who deserve them. Most of the prominent teams outside of Korea do next to nada when it comes to grooming their player's skill. All they do is setup shop. Hell T-Zain didn't even join Mouz until after he won TSL3. Not like times have changed all that much. [pG] and ToT's players would vote players into their respectful teams as well after getting to know them. In the beginning, a lot of them flew under the radar. Not so much after 04. Like I said, most teams. Then you have teams in Korea such as SlayerS where Lim wanted the freshest meat possible and guess what? He groomed them just like SK Telecom. Deja vu. As for practice regimes. Not all players on international teams practice religiously with one another. You know this; I know this. You stuck with your [Media] boys and other boys for a long, long time. There will always be exceptions to the rule. | ||
Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
Anyone happen to know the song from 0:40-044 on Idra's video? I hear that song like every club I go to and can never find the song the night after :'(. | ||
Chernobyl
Brazil143 Posts
He is the player that I always look for. | ||
Surth
Germany456 Posts
Why are only EG and TL nomineed? Some arguments for each nominee would have cleared that up, perhaps.In my opinion, Mouz and Dignitas would have both deserved a nomination (though not the win). Weirdly, numerous people defend the EG/TL nomination by saying that "you have to look at the whole year". But if you did, Mouz and Dignitas would be even stronger contenders! Lets take a look. I'll mostly talk about Dignitas because I'm more accustomed to them. First some random tournaments throughout the year. Before you're accusing me of cherrypicking: Of course I am. Again, I'm not saying that Dignitas or Mouz should have won the award (they shouldnt). But they do deserve a nomination. The very first non-korean premier tournament of 2011 was the IEM European Championship Kiev. It was won by Sjow (dignitas). Assembly Winter 2011 was won by Ret (TL). Second-place finisher: Morrow (mouz) TSL 3 was held in March. Winner: Thorzain (mouz). Runner.up: Naniwa (dignitas) August: Battle.net invitationals. Dignitas picks up two second places (Europe/Naniwa and Latin America/KilleR) and one first place (North America/SeleCT) Up to this point I haven't mentioned the MLG. I'll try to cover these a bit more indepth. Sadly, mouz didn't send an awful lot of players to MLG, so I'll leave them out of the comparison. MLG Dallas, first MLG event of the year. Poolplay: http://img.xrmb2.net/images/633874.jpeg Top 16: 1. Naniwa (Dignitas) 3. SeleCT- (Dignitas) 4. iNcontroL (Evil Geniuses) 5. TLO (Team Liquid) 7. IdrA (Evil Geniuses) 10. GosuHuK (Team Liquid) 12. SjoW (Dignitas) 13. Ret (Team Liquid) 14. HayprO (Team Liquid) 15. Machine (Evil Geniuses) 16. Tyler (Team Liquid) The Teamliquid write-up specifically calls Dignitas "the team to beat". If they are the team to beat in April, surely they deserve at least some consideration? Columbus: Pool play: http://img.xrmb2.net/images/296445.jpeg Top 16: 4. IdrA (Evil Geniuses) 6. NaNiWa (Dignitas) 7. Ret (Team Liquid) 10. HayprO (Team Liquid) 13. SjoW (Dignitas) 15. Machine (Evil Geniuses) Each of the three teams has 2 people in the top sixteen. One of the worse showings of foreigners in general. Raleigh: Poolplay: http://img.xrmb2.net/images/763522.jpeg Top 16: 5. PuMa (Evil Geniuses) 6. HerO (Team Liquid) 7. HuK (Team Liquid) 8. SjoW (Dignitas) 11. SeleCT- (Dignitas) 12. NaniWa (Dignitas) 14. DeMusliM (Evil Geniuses) Puma and HerO are picking up the slack for EG and TL. MLG Orlando: Poolplay: http://img.xrmb2.net/images/886837.jpeg Top 16: 1. HuK (Evil Geniuses) 4. IdrA (Evil Geniuses) 7. PuMa (Evil Geniuses) 9. Ret (Team Liquid) 13. HerO (Team Liquid) 16. HayprO (Team Liquid) It is only here that EG is beginning to show its dominance, with three people in the top 8 and a first place finish. Note: Team Dignitas elected not to go to Orlando. MLG Providence: Poolplay: None Top 16: 5. HuK (Evil Geniuses) 7. HayprO (Team Liquid) 8. IdrA (Evil Geniuses) 10. HerO (Team Liquid) 11. PuMa (Evil Geniuses) 15. Ret (Team Liquid) Naniwa has left Dignitas, Select and Sjow lose their games and have a relatively bad top 24 finish. The story that I'm trying to sell here is that Dignitas, for the the first half of the year, was a very strong contender for best foreigner team. As mentioned above, mouz only sent players to half the MLG events, but someone more dedicated than me could probably pull a similar case for them if looking at all of the major events of 2011. Which leaves us with the conclusion. The writers themselves acknowledged that the tie is a cop-out. But then why do it? I personally would have to award EG the prize, considering the last third of 2011 (Providence and Orlando). | ||
Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
Grats HuK and IMMvp! Also grats to Day[9], looks so sexy in that picture | ||
HighlyToxic
France101 Posts
Happy new year to all! It's was a nice year for starcraft 2, we can get better for 2012 !! | ||
Kon-Tiki
United States402 Posts
On January 02 2012 23:36 StarStruck wrote: Greg, That's why we hand out individual titles for those who deserve them. Most of the prominent teams outside of Korea do next to nada when it comes to grooming their player's skill. All they do is setup shop. Hell T-Zain didn't even join Mouz until after he won TSL3. Not like times have changed all that much. [pG] and ToT's players would vote players into their respectful teams as well after getting to know them. In the beginning, a lot of them flew under the radar. Not so much after 04. Like I said, most teams. Then you have teams in Korea such as SlayerS where Lim wanted the freshest meat possible and guess what? He groomed them just like SK Telecom. Deja vu. As for practice regimes. Not all players on international teams practice religiously with one another. You know this; I know this. You stuck with your [Media] boys and other boys for a long, long time. There will always be exceptions to the rule. In point of fact, ThorZain was picked up during the TSL3. Praetoriani disbanded when he and someone else (NightEnd, maybe?) got picked up by more lucrative teams | ||
Muruburu
United Kingdom43 Posts
On January 01 2012 21:58 EGalex wrote: Folks, please don't bash the EG/TL tie for team of the year . While I do think that a case could be made for EG edging out TL as the singular team of the year (even by just a hair), and while that may be my (admittedly biased) personal opinion, I don't think an objective argument can really be made for either side coming out noticeably on top. When you consider all aspects of what makes a team great, including player support, fan engagement, community presence, business development, and (of course) tournament results, the gap between EG and TL - if it exists at all - is just too minimal to warrant either team winning the award outright. Both EG and TL have our respective strengths and weaknesses, but overall, I don't think there are any international teams doing a better job of running their StarCraft divisions than EG and TL. And I want to both thank and applaud Victor, James, Ken, and everyone over at TL for a job very, very well done. I mean this very sincerely. This is not meant to take credit away from any of the other very high-level international teams, of course; it's just that, as far as StarCraft goes, I think EG and TL are at the forefront of international teams. I'm very happy to share both the rivalry and team of the year awards with TL. Speaking comfortably for Scott, Colin, Cody, and everyone over at EG, we have so much respect for what TL does for its players and the community, and we're very excited to move into 2012 with such an intense and storied rivalry intact. Watching DreamHack Winter was a very interesting experience for me. On the one hand, I obviously want EG to win every tournament we enter (especially that particular event, which was so well-produced and carried such prestige), and as such, I was *absolutely* heartbroken when HerO defeated PuMa in game seven to take the event. The loss haunted me for the better part of a week, causing many fingertips-to-the-forehead head shakes and long-inhale-short-exhale sighs. Yet, at the same time, I found the logical part of my brain continually saying, "This is good for the sport. Liquid was overdue for a big win." I think that this anecdote is aptly representative of the dilemma and conflict you constantly face as a team owner. On the one hand, you want the sport to grow and flourish, and you understand that in the big picture of things, in order for that to happen, it's necessary for multiple teams to do well, and for intense rivalries to develop. Yet at the same time, you genuinely want your players and your team to win every, single map they play, and if you're not doing everything it takes to win (within the rules), you're doing yourself, your players, and your fans an unacceptable disservice. Somehow, these two desires, while in theory rather mutually exclusive, in practice coexist in every team owner's mind on a daily basis. And so, while on the one hand I hope that an EG player wins every single tournament in 2012, on the other hand I know that it's good for the sport if Liquid (and other teams) get their share of victories as well. So, Victor, and everyone at TL, I truly wish all of you good luck going into the new year. Just, y'know, not too much luck, please . -Alex @ottersareneat on Twitter This post needs more love. Thanks for writing this up Alex! | ||
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