Good write up! I wish that there was some competition for player of the year in South Korea, since I've never been much of an IMMvp fan, but I do have to admit, this was his year. Hopefully someone else, anyone else will take the throne in 2012.
Great writeup, was a pleasure to read. I do wish there was something more they community could do for Day9 though, other than this. That man is quite possibly the hardest working man in eSports, and definitely the most passionate.
My favorite moment of the year was easily watching Thorzain come back and win TSL3. The only moment I can think of where I cried out loud and jumped out of my seat.
On January 02 2012 11:04 IdrA wrote: its team of the year, not most accomplished team of the year. mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players, but they dont really do anything otherwise. tl and eg are both out there interacting with the community and creating content and interest both for fans and to bring in new people to esports, mouz isnt, or they arent successful at it. tl and eg do a million times more for esports than mouz does. theres not a very clear winner in terms of whos won the most, but mouz clearly loses on the other stuff. (and eg wins but tl bias obv)
I don't think people have their panties in a wad because Mouz didn't win. I think they do because Mouz wasn't mentioned.
You said, "mouz is a successful team with a lot of good players"--isn't that AT LEAST good enough to be......... . ... .. .. mentioned?
not really. winning, even a team league, is still largely individual. you practice with your team and receive some support from them, but honestly that comes into play more in individual leagues more than team leagues. team leagues are all online, you're not there together talking and giving each other advice (unless you're eg cuz we're the best) you're all sitting at home playing your own individual matches and winning or losing on your own. and even the practice, most people are more likely to practice with friends and regular practice partners, whether theyre on their team or not. its the extraneous stuff that really defines a team, particularly outside of korea.
hey greg ur team sounds pretty sweet, ill join for 4k a month
egs a poor team we cant afford that
You misunderstood mate! Morrow is totally willing to pay 4k a month to get to be on the team! Although we're obviously talking SEK and not dollar, so translated that's something like.. 500 dollars! Now how does that offer sound!?
On January 01 2012 21:58 EGalex wrote: Folks, please don't bash the EG/TL tie for team of the year .
While I do think that a case could be made for EG edging out TL as the singular team of the year (even by just a hair), and while that may be my (admittedly biased) personal opinion, I don't think an objective argument can really be made for either side coming out noticeably on top. When you consider all aspects of what makes a team great, including player support, fan engagement, community presence, business development, and (of course) tournament results, the gap between EG and TL - if it exists at all - is just too minimal to warrant either team winning the award outright.
Both EG and TL have our respective strengths and weaknesses, but overall, I don't think there are any international teams doing a better job of running their StarCraft divisions than EG and TL. And I want to both thank and applaud Victor, James, Ken, and everyone over at TL for a job very, very well done. I mean this very sincerely. This is not meant to take credit away from any of the other very high-level international teams, of course; it's just that, as far as StarCraft goes, I think EG and TL are at the forefront of international teams.
I'm very happy to share both the rivalry and team of the year awards with TL. Speaking comfortably for Scott, Colin, Cody, and everyone over at EG, we have so much respect for what TL does for its players and the community, and we're very excited to move into 2012 with such an intense and storied rivalry intact.
Watching DreamHack Winter was a very interesting experience for me. On the one hand, I obviously want EG to win every tournament we enter (especially that particular event, which was so well-produced and carried such prestige), and as such, I was *absolutely* heartbroken when HerO defeated PuMa in game seven to take the event. The loss haunted me for the better part of a week, causing many fingertips-to-the-forehead head shakes and long-inhale-short-exhale sighs. Yet, at the same time, I found the logical part of my brain continually saying, "This is good for the sport. Liquid was overdue for a big win."
I think that this anecdote is aptly representative of the dilemma and conflict you constantly face as a team owner. On the one hand, you want the sport to grow and flourish, and you understand that in the big picture of things, in order for that to happen, it's necessary for multiple teams to do well, and for intense rivalries to develop. Yet at the same time, you genuinely want your players and your team to win every, single map they play, and if you're not doing everything it takes to win (within the rules), you're doing yourself, your players, and your fans an unacceptable disservice.
Somehow, these two desires, while in theory rather mutually exclusive, in practice coexist in every team owner's mind on a daily basis. And so, while on the one hand I hope that an EG player wins every single tournament in 2012, on the other hand I know that it's good for the sport if Liquid (and other teams) get their share of victories as well. So, Victor, and everyone at TL, I truly wish all of you good luck going into the new year.
Just, y'know, not too much luck, please .
-Alex @ottersareneat on Twitter
This post needs more love. Thanks for writing this up Alex!
You're welcome... although, I think you're the only one that read it ;].
Nope. I did.
And I specially like how you put that other teams winning is good too, that is important and not many people would think of that.
On January 02 2012 11:47 Oddslynx wrote: SlayersDragon should have been given some consideration for most entertaining player. I'm always smiling when I watch him play.
Great article sir. I had0a great time reading it. I wish we could have had a voting breakdown though, would have been nice to see how close or how far apart candidates are in TL's opinion.
On January 02 2012 11:47 Oddslynx wrote: SlayersDragon should have been given some consideration for most entertaining player. I'm always smiling when I watch him play.
I expected SlayersDragon to win this award =(
I agree. I think they neglected the good entreteining players like white-ra, dragon and destiny.
Both my penis and I agree, the thread that follows this wonderful article is almost as good. Yes I read every page, no I didn't get mired in the discussion. Why argue on TL about TL bias (as blatant as it clearly is)? Kidding
Advice to HuK: play hard to get n some hair tosses, HerO needs to work for it <3 <3 <3 :D
Fun write up, 30 pages of heated debate so far. Its hard to say who the best team is, because the only half decent foreigner team league has been looted by SlayerS for months now, individuals are changing teams like hairstyles, and there is no "season" per se, so most people only remember who did well in the last event, not through the whole year.
I would have liked to seen a unit of the year award. Who would win? The "broken to pieces" SCV? The "revolutionary" Warp Prism? The "OMG IT WILL MOVE WHILE BURROWED?!?!?!" Baneling? Or would it be a three way tie between the "most complained about units in SCII" Ghost, Colossus, and Infestor?
@mousesports wrote: Sorry @TeamLiquidNet but @EvilGeniuses is MILES ahead of you in your 2011 team comparison. And that beeing said by us. LOL
Why is mousesports even getting involved in this? Pretty pathetic IMO. Don't they have team shit to think about instead of opinion-based end of year awards on a community website?
Loving what IdrA and what Nazgul is saying. People need to put things into perspective to fully grasp what measure were used in assigning the awards. Awesome write-up!! and let the haters hate!
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