EPTLooks like they're both trying to play under the radar.
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Canada2938 Posts
Looks like they're both trying to play under the radar. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Also, there is no problem with the Pardoner pardoning a Mafia. If it's an obvious candidate and the Pardoner uses his skill, then the Town has 2 CONFIRMED Mafia. No, see that's the problem, we don't have 2 confirmed mafia. Pardoner can pardon anyone and we'll assume he's mafia. If he double pardons, we're down a double lynch and regardless of what we do the following day, we're down a double lynch and we're still going to be shooting at the same targets. Mafia stalling in this method can assure them extra kp during critical nights and can let them cruise to a victory. How is it 'no problem' that they REMOVE OUR ABILITY TO LYNCH? Exactly how does pardoner reveal his role to the town? He doesn't do anything as pardoner until the moment he throws down the hammer and goes "lol sry no". You're seriously underestimating how early the 'end of the game' will come with only 30 players. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On May 17 2009 08:56 Incognito wrote: Well things just got interesting...what do people have to say about this? On May 17 2009 08:56 Incognito wrote: Well things just got interesting...what do people have to say about this? My initial reaction is nemy is telling the truth. Nobody in the thread really paid much mind to his initial posts, however apparently people have been PMing him. The lack of both controversy and bandwagon votes in his direction are good signs. But then I remind myself that things are not always what they seem. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
The real problem is that if he is elected, we won't have *any* way of telling if he's actually a dt short of the information he gives us from role checks and stuff If he is mafia, he gets: 1. first lynch 2. potentially alot of role info and a list of blues If nemy is a dt: he just set himself up to be killed by the mafia on night 1 it doesn't make any sense that nemy would be a towny with play like that | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
1: You're really a detective and have put yourself in a position where you either get elected or everybody (including Mafia) knows your role. 2: You are posing as a detective as a Mafia member in a bid to get votes. Least likely, because you know nobody is going to vote for you. 3: You're trolling or baiting the Mafia. This one would seem the most likely as a game plan when everybody playing has some experience, but in the end you are hurting town's ability to build a structure. In any case, your explanation for your motives are rather shady. Some people PMing you with the thought that you might be blue does not logically lead to "o damn, the jig is up, gotta tell everyone now for certain". What you have done makes no good sense. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
So the question is if someone get's pardoner should we just make the game plan for them to never use their roles power? Then the whole goal will be will to at least make sure mafia doesn't get this role, cause obviously when they decide the time is right, they will use it whether it is to screw with us and by them more time, or just save another mafia member. So i guess the question is, should the town agree that the pardoner should never use their power? | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
But that is very difficult to do. No it isn't. Its incredibly fucking easy. I can already name 3 blue roles from the way people are acting, its pretty transperant. So the question is if someone get's pardoner should we just make the game plan for them to never use their roles power? If he's part of the town, he will never pardon. If he is mafia, he will. The only exception will be a mass voteswing from a confirmed mafia which shouldn't happen if people are active.I mean, are you blind or some shit? I've layed this out repeatedly. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On May 17 2009 09:19 Incognito wrote: He could also be a townie trying to take a hit from mafia if he knew that nobody would vote for him. Right, but why even play the game, then? Sure, it's giving up with a purpose, but it's still giving up. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
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Mynock
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On May 17 2009 09:17 L wrote: No it isn't. Its incredibly fucking easy. I can already name 3 blue roles from the way people are acting, its pretty transperant. If he's part of the town, he will never pardon. If he is mafia, he will. The only exception will be a mass voteswing from a confirmed mafia which shouldn't happen if people are active. I mean, are you blind or some shit? I've layed this out repeatedly. L, you're wrong on pretty much every account. No, a Town can't vote blues into office because "it's incredibly fucking easy". That's just nonsense, I don't see how you don't understand it. Maybe if you actualy laid out a plan as to how you thought it to work, I can show you where it fails. No, a Mafia won't use the Pardoner role if the Town has a major suspect. If they had Pardoner they won't give it up that easily, besides losing the guy whom the Pardoner saved anyway. The Pardoner will be lynched the next day, the saved target vigied the same night. You're assuming Mafia will send some Rambo into office who will jump into action and fuck Town in every orifice as soon as elected. Again, that's nonsense. 2 Mafias means 33% of all Mafia population, you think the Mafia will sacrifice one third of their members to postpone the Town a day? Seriously? | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Right, but why even play the game, then? Sure, it's giving up with a purpose, but it's still giving up. Green townie taking a hit is a net bonus to town because we save blues. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
Either case, if you know 3 blues, fine great for you, but I sure as hell don't. But to me it seems like you want these blues to start running for office, when in a way now mafia might have an idea, well maybe those people who ran for office are blue, so let's focus on them. It might be the best intention for all these blues to run. But doesn't change the fact it would be good for at least 1 or 2 into the office, but then the rest (if they tried to run) may have uped their chances to look like blues and for mafia to focus on them. it's not like the medics can protect them if mafia decides to focus fire. Also I would like our blues to be more careful, we don't know who is mafia yet, but it's not good if people are figuring out who you are, especially cause of this office race. Cause we do have people who are good at figuring out roles and if they are mafia, then they will get rid of you quick. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Maybe if you actualy laid out a plan as to how you thought it to work, I can show you where it fails. Look at people's posting histories, determine what role they're likely playing and why they're acting in the way that they are. Extrapolate from there. This is how nearly all of the blues were gutted last game. You can start turn 1. We did. It worked. a Mafia won't use the Pardoner role if the Town has a major suspect. Yes, they will. If they can delay a kill and secure the KP they need to end the game, the mafia will pardon. The mafia might even pardon a double innocent lynch in order to drain both double lynches for the cost of a single confirmed target. I've been mafia every single game until this one. I was one of the main strategy organizers during mafia 2, in which there WAS a mafia pardoner. I've been in their position and I know what they do with that position. You're assuming the pardoner would pardon the first mafia that's targetted, I'm not. I'm assuming a mafia pardoner would pardon either at a moment when doing so would effectively end the game by saving enough KP to give mafia a majority in votes, or by forcing a re-double lynch. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On May 17 2009 09:28 L wrote: Green townie taking a hit is a net bonus to town because we save blues. You can't go into the game expecting a worst-case scenario in which Mafia finds every blue and the only way to save them is for every normal townie to pretend they themselves are. Like I said, it's giving up with a purpose, but it's still giving up. And with no logical purpose behind it at this point in the game. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
But to me it seems like you want these blues to start running for office, No, I want the people who are already running who ARE blue to get voted in. I want the town to look at our candidates and other players and to their best to put together a private, but coherant estimate about how people are acting and WHY they're acting that way. I want town to be cognizant that there ARE mafia running and mafia supporting mafia that are running. I want them to look and see patterns within that. Also, mafia will not focus fire this early in the game. Clues will be stacking up and they need to significantly decrease the amount of active players they are arguing against and voting against. Blues should NOT be outing themselves explicitly, especially not in PMs to either the pardoner or mayor. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
Congratz. As Incognito mentioned, he's done this before and that was a ploy. Either way, it looks like everyone is trying to cover their own ass. | ||
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