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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Unfortunately this doesn't hold true because the game was still less than 24 hours old (still is) when the voting began so no one is really "late". As for a Mafia Pardoner that's nothing to worry about right now. The only time a Pardoner should use his powers is if a very ambiguous scenario occurs where we aren't sure about the target and people vote them off anyway. A surely guilty person won't be pardoned at all, as that just sets up 2 mafia to die. Of course the exception to this is end of the game when there are <7 people left. Otherwise it's just not a big deal. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Pardoning is a move akin to mass mafia voting. The move is done with the intention of rapidly precipitating an unrecoverable condition for the other side. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
Have posted very little (one or two lines) since day post: Scaramanga Fishball nemY RebirthOfLeGend HeavOnEarth Have posted nothing since the day post: fusionsdf Plexa Camlito infinity21 MrBabyHands | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
And I don't understand L's sentiment of "pressure wont' do fuck all." I thought pressure was the way to get the most information in just about any situation in this game. You evaluate both the person receiving the pressure as well as the person giving it. From your description it sounds like there's no way a townie could use the pardoner's ability effectively. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
So even if we save one person with pardon, (If they are innocent) it's just like town missing. The pardoner fucking up to me seems like pressure could be caused, unless the pardoner is planning to die (which case they were probably mafia and just gave their team an advantage). Vivi, don't make assumptions about if the pardoner can pardon themselves. (Though if they could, that would be really stupid in my opinion). Also vivi just pardoning would be a disadvantage in general according from what I understand from your response to me. If we have to have a pardoner we need someone who is yeah, good at behavioral and clue analysis but not mafia. The later is hard to prove! This is a vets game, from what i was able to gather, there are people who are good at hiding that they are mafia. We can't make Pardoner a life or death role. We have to give it to someone who is good, but we have to watch this person carefully. Cause they might fuck us over intentionally or not (pending on if the right person has the role and if they are mafia or not). To me this role is pressured especially for town, you can't fuck up or you hurt the town. If your mafia well i guess the role is great especially if you plan to die. It just buys them time, but it also means we can double lynch =\. But yeah, you're right, we lost a day, but either case we would lose a day, it might be a sacrifice we have to make and prepare for. guarantying is hard, we just have to prepare for it cause whether the pardoner is mafia or not, once they pardon someone it is a lynch lose just like if we were to hit the wrong person. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 17 2009 07:10 Incognito wrote: Inactive list: Have posted very little (one or two lines) since day post: Scaramanga Fishball nemY RebirthOfLeGend HeavOnEarth Have posted nothing since the day post: fusionsdf Plexa Camlito infinity21 MrBabyHands Define inactive. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Lets be crystal clear: we aren't going into a 20 day game. This game is most likely going to be decided between days 4-6. Being able to set us back an entire day is not trivial. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 17 2009 06:55 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Nah Vivi, pardoner can't pardon himself. If he could he would be practically invincible lol This is correct. The pardoner can pardon anyone EXCEPT himself. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 17 2009 07:13 Scamp wrote: What if a double lynch happens to two mafia members and one of them is the pardoner? Is the pardoner able to use his power to prevent the other lynch from happening even though he's getting lynched himself? The pardoner CAN still use his ability to pardon someone who is being lynched alongside himself. He has to use his ability before the night post by definition. Therefore, he is still alive when he can send in his role and can thus pardon when he is about to be lynched. An analogous use would be a vigilante using his hit when he is also taking a hit from the mafia. Both actions go through. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
We have to give it to someone who is good See, this is where I disagree. We have to give it to people who are long term use blues. Dts or Paramedics. Examine posting history to see if anyone is hinting they have these roles, because by my count, 2 people are already. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
However, I still don't agree that pressure on the role doesn't matter. That's kind of like just trusting someone because they got the role and just hoping it works out. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
All this said I realize this is going to take a lot of faith from the town. I can't be cross-checked after I'm elected, so this is pretty much an all-or-nothing scenario. Either I'm elected, and safe for awhile, or I'm not and subsequently fucked (along with the town). If elected as mayor/pardoner I plan to use the 3 role checks ASAP, because frankly, the town can't afford for this game to go into extra innings. The sooner we've exhausted all possible true leads, the better and as DT I intend to do this. I really didn't want/still don't want to do this, but I feel that it's the best possible way to keep at least one DT safe for now. If in the event that I'm not elected... well c'est la vie :/ | ||
Mynock
4492 Posts
I believe the first lynch, which is essentially a roll of dice, can be pardoned. Unless of course, there is some solid evidence about anyone in particular, but that's rarely the case on Day1. Another idea is to make the first lynch a democratic one. If I'm voted into office and the Town agrees to this idea, I will make a separate thread where everybody can vote for the first day lynch, and I will act upon it. This eliminates those doubts L brought up. Also, there is no problem with the Pardoner pardoning a Mafia. If it's an obvious candidate and the Pardoner uses his skill, then the Town has 2 CONFIRMED Mafia. No, they won't play that move to save themselves a day. It's nothing the Town can't fix the next day with a Double Lynch, unless, how Ace already pointed out, it's towards the end of the game, but by that time, we'll know a lot more about the elected people's allegiance anyway. Also, even tho IDEALLY it's great to have a Medic and a DT in office, REALISTICALLY it won't work. You can't tell people "vote on whoever you think feels like a Medic!", it obviously won't work. Also, it's not in Town's interest to publicly discuss who could be a blue, only who's red. Obviously, the circle is narrowed down for Mafia, so we don't want to give them any hints, right? So, I can only repeat myself and Ace when I say, there is almost no difference between the two office roles. And realistically, we want able people in the office, people who can aid the Town as long as possible. Since Ace also joined the campaign, it'll be interesting to see how things turn out eventually. I'd be comfortable with either Ver or Ace in office, but personally, it's perhaps a bit harder for me to read Ver than Ace  Also, where's Plexa, where's Camlito? | ||
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Mynock
4492 Posts
On May 17 2009 08:29 nemY wrote: Ok well... I hate to do this, especially because this is not the way I'd like to earn mayor/pardoner position, but I feel it must be done... folks of Liquidia, I'm one of the two Detectives. Why have I came out and admitted this? Because I feel that my position may have already been compromised. I've received PMs from multiple individuals who seem to think that I may be a blue, and now I'm confirming it. Why am I confirming this? Because if people that have PMed are smart enough to sense that I'm a possible blue then the mafia already knows this and probably has me under their crosshairs. I'll admit, I don't carry the swagger of Ace, possess the intuitiveness of Mynock, and actually in general, I'm a pretty sucky townie. This wouldn't be that big of a deal if I was a townie, but I'm not! All this said I realize this is going to take a lot of faith from the town. I can't be cross-checked after I'm elected, so this is pretty much an all-or-nothing scenario. Either I'm elected, and safe for awhile, or I'm not and subsequently fucked (along with the town). If elected as mayor/pardoner I plan to use the 3 role checks ASAP, because frankly, the town can't afford for this game to go into extra innings. The sooner we've exhausted all possible true leads, the better and as DT I intend to do this. I really didn't want/still don't want to do this, but I feel that it's the best possible way to keep at least one DT safe for now. If in the event that I'm not elected... well c'est la vie :/ Well, gotta hate this kind of play  .Several other options also present themselves, and I'd be curious as to who sent u those PMs? Would people who msged nemY come out and say why they put him on blue and why they then have msged him? Altho it's an easy option (a guy with NO platform running for office), there are other options to use this info, like making Mafia waste their hits by putting medic protection on you, etc... How much time before the elections end? | ||
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LTT
Shakuras1095 Posts
On May 17 2009 08:43 Mynock wrote: Well, gotta hate this kind of play .Several other options also present themselves, and I'd be curious as to who sent u those PMs? Would people who msged nemY come out and say why they put him on blue and why they then have msged him? Altho it's an easy option (a guy with NO platform running for office), there are other options to use this info, like making Mafia waste their hits by putting medic protection on you, etc... How much time before the elections end? ~29 hours. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
I thought this was supposed to be TL Mafia veteran version. Not like we haven't seen something like this before, but wow. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On May 17 2009 08:38 Mynock wrote: Here's my take on the Pardoner: I believe the first lynch, which is essentially a roll of dice, can be pardoned. Unless of course, there is some solid evidence about anyone in particular, but that's rarely the case on Day1. Another idea is to make the first lynch a democratic one. If I'm voted into office and the Town agrees to this idea, I will make a separate thread where everybody can vote for the first day lynch, and I will act upon it. This eliminates those doubts L brought up. Also, there is no problem with the Pardoner pardoning a Mafia. If it's an obvious candidate and the Pardoner uses his skill, then the Town has 2 CONFIRMED Mafia. No, they won't play that move to save themselves a day. It's nothing the Town can't fix the next day with a Double Lynch, unless, how Ace already pointed out, it's towards the end of the game, but by that time, we'll know a lot more about the elected people's allegiance anyway. Also, even tho IDEALLY it's great to have a Medic and a DT in office, REALISTICALLY it won't work. You can't tell people "vote on whoever you think feels like a Medic!", it obviously won't work. Also, it's not in Town's interest to publicly discuss who could be a blue, only who's red. Obviously, the circle is narrowed down for Mafia, so we don't want to give them any hints, right? So, I can only repeat myself and Ace when I say, there is almost no difference between the two office roles. And realistically, we want able people in the office, people who can aid the Town as long as possible. Since Ace also joined the campaign, it'll be interesting to see how things turn out eventually. I'd be comfortable with either Ver or Ace in office, but personally, it's perhaps a bit harder for me to read Ver than Ace Also, where's Plexa, where's Camlito? I highly agree with him right here. He said some things that were exactly in my mind. | ||
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