EPTYou can't go into the game expecting a worst-case scenario in which Mafia finds every blue and the only way to save them is for every normal townie to pretend they themselves are. Like I said, it's giving up with a purpose, but it's still giving up. And with no logical purpose behind it at this point in the game.
Oh, I don't think that trying to go for mayor is how a green would/should go about feinting blue, especially not in this case, but greens attempting to signal to mafia that they are blue does have a purpose. Mafia VIII [GG] - Page 12
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Mynock
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On May 17 2009 09:33 L wrote: Look at people's posting histories, determine what role they're likely playing and why they're acting in the way that they are. Extrapolate from there. This is how nearly all of the blues were gutted last game. You can start turn 1. We did. It worked. Are you seriously suggesting an "every Townie for himself" deal here? Great for you that you're such a brilliant mastermind, but I have a feeling that vast majority of Town isn't limping around popping Vicodin all day. Yes, they will. If they can delay a kill and secure the KP they need to end the game, the mafia will pardon. The mafia might even pardon a double innocent lynch in order to drain both double lynches for the cost of a single confirmed target. I've been mafia every single game until this one. I was one of the main strategy organizers during mafia 2, in which there WAS a mafia pardoner. I've been in their position and I know what they do with that position. I was in a Mafia family with our Godfather in office, so I know how that looks like too. You're assuming the pardoner would pardon the first mafia that's targetted. No, I don't. I'm assuming they would lay still and be happy to have a guy in the office, and not compromise it with wild pardoning. I'm assuming a mafia pardoner would pardon either at a moment when doing so would effectively end the game by saving enough KP to give mafia a majority in votes, or by forcing a re-double lynch. By that time the game would end, and by that time, we'd have the pardoner figured out. If not, it's irrelevant, because it's gg if such an action can swing it. Bottom line is, are you seriously suggesting that everyone just votes left and right for whomever they believe is blue? Because if yes, I'd like to ask Town to ignore this proposition completely, and be a bit more organized about it. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 17 2009 08:29 nemY wrote: Ok well... I hate to do this, especially because this is not the way I'd like to earn mayor/pardoner position, but I feel it must be done... folks of Liquidia, I'm one of the two Detectives. Why have I came out and admitted this? Because I feel that my position may have already been compromised. I've received PMs from multiple individuals who seem to think that I may be a blue, and now I'm confirming it. Why am I confirming this? Because if people that have PMed are smart enough to sense that I'm a possible blue then the mafia already knows this and probably has me under their crosshairs. I'll admit, I don't carry the swagger of Ace, possess the intuitiveness of Mynock, and actually in general, I'm a pretty sucky townie. This wouldn't be that big of a deal if I was a townie, but I'm not! All this said I realize this is going to take a lot of faith from the town. I can't be cross-checked after I'm elected, so this is pretty much an all-or-nothing scenario. Either I'm elected, and safe for awhile, or I'm not and subsequently fucked (along with the town). If elected as mayor/pardoner I plan to use the 3 role checks ASAP, because frankly, the town can't afford for this game to go into extra innings. The sooner we've exhausted all possible true leads, the better and as DT I intend to do this. I really didn't want/still don't want to do this, but I feel that it's the best possible way to keep at least one DT safe for now. If in the event that I'm not elected... well c'est la vie :/ Hmm, I've seen this power play before. Was it in Mafia 1? or 2? | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
I come back and the world has gone to hell. First of all, Nemy, wtf are u doing so early roleclaiming? Regardless of whether or not you're actually blue, or are red/green, you draw attention to yourself, which is bad if you're red or blue. Second of all, if you're innocent, and mafia isn't stupid (and with the high level of players here, I think we can assume that), they could either make you suspect or use you to soak up medics. This would happen, even if you are actually green/red. Third of all, town hasn't had a chance to organize yet. This shock doesn't do anything but cause further chaos. This actually leads me to suspect you as a possible red, as I have stated many times that town is all about order and organization. Whenever something crazy happens before town can absorb the shock, the result is usually disaster (for instance, see Folca + Ace-we lost a DT for no good reason). While I don't think you're mafia, I do think that was not the best move you could have made -_- | ||
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Are you seriously suggesting an "every Townie for himself" deal here? No, i'm suggesting that townies put some effort into the game. But that means I'm on drugs, it would seem. I was in a Mafia family with our Godfather in office, so I know how that looks like too. Hey, me too! I'm assuming they would lay still and be happy to have a guy in the office, and not compromise it with wild pardoning Office means absolutely nothing in this game if people don't throw roles at the people in office via pm except for1- First day lynch/2 votes. 2- Pardon ability. Mafia would not just sit in office and twiddle their thumbs. They will use the advantages of office listed above to their advantage. The question is whether confirming yourself as mafia by pardoning is worth the canceled lynch/double lynch. In many cases it would be, especially as townie numbers drop. By that time the game would end, and by that time, we'd have the pardoner figured out. If not, it's irrelevant, because it's gg if such an action can swing it. You've been mafia. You know very well that it is relevant. Delaying a kill for a day saves you KP for the current night and lets you essentially hit twice in a row. I don't understand how you can play down a potentially game ending ability. I'll give you a possible game scenario: Day 1- Mislynch, no biggie. 22 townies 1 traitor 6 mafia. Night 1- 19 townies, 1 traitor 6 mafia. Day 2- Mislynch,  . 18 townies 1 traitor 6 mafiaNight 2- 1 medic defends successfully 16 townies 1 traitor, 6 mafia. Day 3- Proper lynch/2x lynch vote :D. 16 townies 1 traitor, 5 mafia. Night 3- Vig misses . 12 townies 1 traitor 5 mafia. traitor and mafia find each other. Day 4- 1 townie/1 mafia split 2x lynch vote. Pardonned. 12 townies 1 traitor 5 mafia Night 4- 9 townies 1 traitor 5 mafia. Day 5- 2 mafia die :D- 9 townies 1 traitor 3 mafia Night 5- 7 townies, 1 traitor, 3 mafia Day 6- we lynch the other guy pardoned. 6 townies, 1 traitor, 3 mafia. Night 6- 4 town, 1 traitor, 3 mafia. Game ends. Lets assume it doesn't and a vet was hit Night 6*- 5 town 1 traitor 3 mafia. Day 7*- Traitor lynched. 5 town 3 mafia Night 7- 3 town 3 mafia Game ends. Day 7**- Successful Lynch- 5 town 1 traitor 2 mafia Night 8- 4 town, 1 traitor 2 mafia. Basically, in this scenario, town needs to hit a mafia pretty much every night from day 3 onwards. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On May 17 2009 09:10 Vivi57 wrote: nemy... The real problem is that if he is elected, we won't have *any* way of telling if he's actually a dt short of the information he gives us from role checks and stuff If he is mafia, he gets: 1. first lynch 2. potentially alot of role info and a list of blues If nemy is a dt: he just set himself up to be killed by the mafia on night 1 it doesn't make any sense that nemy would be a towny with play like that Then set me up for pardoner. I don't need to know who the other blues are or any other information. On May 17 2009 09:10 Vivi57 wrote: nemy... The real problem is that if he is elected, we won't have *any* way of telling if he's actually a dt short of the information he gives us from role checks and stuff If he is mafia, he gets: 1. first lynch 2. potentially alot of role info and a list of blues If nemy is a dt: he just set himself up to be killed by the mafia on night 1 it doesn't make any sense that nemy would be a towny with play like that I'm going to be killed in the first night regardless of whether or not I made my role public. Reread what I previously posted. If people can see me as a blue, then the mafia could too. | ||
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Hmm, I've seen this power play before. 2. Empyrean. Was Blue.Was it in Mafia 1? or 2? | ||
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Canada4732 Posts
Then set me up for pardoner. I don't need to know who the other blues are or any other information. Mayor should not be getting role information via pm regardless of who he is. | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
If anyone else would like to claim a role in order to enhance his OR HER chance to win election, then by all mean, please feel free to do so. I, however, do not wish to tarnish my good name. So I won't lie. And isn't that doubtlessly the most important quality a town could hope for from a leader (that is to say, a mayor or pardoner)? Again, I remind everyone that I am running for mayor. I will not offer a thing; however, I encourage all to vote for me. Together, we can somehow elect me! ! | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On May 17 2009 10:18 0cz3c wrote: I would like to note that my candidacy is not one based on a power play. I am but a mere townie. If anyone else would like to claim a role in order to enhance his OR HER chance to win election, then by all mean, please feel free to do so. I, however, do not wish to tarnish my good name. So I won't lie. And isn't that doubtlessly the most important quality a town could hope for from a leader (that is to say, a mayor or pardoner)? Again, I remind everyone that I am running for mayor. I will not offer a thing; however, I encourage all to vote for me. Together, we can somehow elect me! ! I give you my support by voting someone else. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 17 2009 10:21 0cz3c wrote: HeavONearth is mafia, by the way. I'll explain after I'm killed during the night ! Do you see the conflict in your statement? | ||
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Tricode
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On May 17 2009 10:21 0cz3c wrote: Ocz3c is mafia, by the way. I'll explain after I'm killed during the night ! | ||
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Canada15390 Posts
On May 17 2009 09:46 Mynock wrote: Are you seriously suggesting an "every Townie for himself" deal here? Great for you that you're such a brilliant mastermind, but I have a feeling that vast majority of Town isn't limping around popping Vicodin all day. rofl | ||
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United States2186 Posts
On May 17 2009 08:29 nemY wrote: Ok well... I hate to do this, especially because this is not the way I'd like to earn mayor/pardoner position, but I feel it must be done... folks of Liquidia, I'm one of the two Detectives. Why have I came out and admitted this? Because I feel that my position may have already been compromised. I've received PMs from multiple individuals who seem to think that I may be a blue, and now I'm confirming it. Why am I confirming this? Because if people that have PMed are smart enough to sense that I'm a possible blue then the mafia already knows this and probably has me under their crosshairs. I'll admit, I don't carry the swagger of Ace, possess the intuitiveness of Mynock, and actually in general, I'm a pretty sucky townie. This wouldn't be that big of a deal if I was a townie, but I'm not! Hey I think you're bogus. If you actually are a dt well you should know better. Now Nemy, I want you to list exactly who pm'ed you about being a blue. Then I want those people to confirm it publically. There's really no risk to doing this unless someone has been off in the mountains doing behavior analysis training and wants to hide it. We can figure out how to proceed from there. But I think you're making this up. The number of people who can figure that out, on the first day no less, is less than a tenth of the total people here. I know the post that would make people think Either you're BS'ing completely (and thus are mafia/traitor), or you just got baited by mafia trying to get a response from you. Here's what I think: you're the traitor. The traitor's goal is to cause maximum chaos and mess over the town as much as they can. And they have to do it solo. This is the perfect way for a traitor to disrupt everythin, potentially get an office, or otherwise waste medic protection (it's what I do in IRL games as traitor). Nemy's roleclaim has caused and will cause more confusion. The mafia will no doubt try to take advantage of this confusion and push their candidate forward while the town is panicking about. We have to be on alert and call this. Be ready mr Savior sense Ace because we know it's coming. Summary: Nobody vote for Nemy. | ||
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United States2186 Posts
Continuing from here: I know the post that would make people think- -you are a blue but even 2 games ago when SoG basically claimed blue during the election NOBODY NOTICED. Now all of a sudden because of an (admittedly stupid) post you got found out by multiple people within a few hours? You might've gotten baited by mafia searching for blues via pm's but from multiple people? This just reeks of stupidity. And if you were a DT, why on earth would you post that incriminating post the first place. You've seen how well skilled behavior analysts can figure out blues and I would consider it unlikely if one of the top behavior analysts wasn't mafia. | ||
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