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On June 14 2024 14:07 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 13:32 Trfel wrote:I dunno. I don't think it's AlphaZero, and I don't think it's Mocsta. But I also don't have the energy to read carefully enough to make an informed opinion, and even if I did, I wouldn't have the energy to push for it. I guess I can politely suggest that we lynch someone else, probably die_meatbaby, but I completely understand if you don't listen to me. I highly doubt I would if I was in your shoes. I'm sorry for playing so poorly  You guys deserve better. Raynpelikoneet said he thinks Mocsta is mafia in post #4094. Maybe there's something to it, I don't really think so, but we'll find out tomorrow I suppose. Hope you guys are right. Idk, much of it comes down to Mocsta thinking the same things I did, right? I get that those things weren't great, it's even possible that they were 100% wrong, but I am town and I thought those things, can I really say that it makes someone else mafia for thinking that way too? I don't care for the analysis of Alakaslam asking for replacement and then coming back. I don't care for analysis of Mocsta quitting. I think those things are non alignment indicative, hard to get accurate conclusions from, and even if they aren't, I think it's detrimental to the game. I'd lynch die_meatbaby or probably scott31337. I think I just have to accept never having a read on Alakaslam. I look over his filter and he's at 11 pages but I don't feel like he has done very much, so it's hard for me to conclude much. But then again there's Vivax who decided to mason me and also ignore me and I have no idea what that means :/ If anyone wants to talk, let me know. Not that I have anything useful to say, but I can try. You have NOT played poorly. agreed
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Trfel
It's not quiting per se
There's a nuance
I won't defend myself. I have explained why
I find it pointless to suggest alt. As it's a huge time commitment and I'm don't see it exhausting my lunch
I am still reading though and happy to work with you if you want my thoughts on anything
That's about the max committmentim willing to do in this situation
I don't see a point discussing az. Like if you feel good he always has a post prepared to defend his actions. That's on you and I highlighted it as my biggest scumread on the game.
Anything else. Go ahead
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I'm finding it odd that mocsta 'rage quit' and wasn't going to vote, but then is not actually quitting and is actually still pushing for a vote.
I don't think that is a normal town rage quit.
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AlphaZero, you want me to explain why I think Mocsta is town because you disagree right? Not to convince everyone else?
I am also willing to vote for scott31337. Whatever seems more reasonable.
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On June 14 2024 14:27 AlphaZero wrote:
I'm finding it odd that mocsta 'rage quit' and wasn't going to vote, but then is not actually quitting and is actually still pushing for a vote.
I don't think that is a normal town rage quit. of course you would not
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I'm sorry Mocsta, I know you just said you don't want to talk about AlphaZero but can I at least make sure I am understanding you correctly? You say AlphaZero is mafia because he always has an explanation that defends his actions?
Also, do you think die_meatbaby or scott31337 might be mafia? Sorry I know it's probably in your filter but I am worn out
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On June 14 2024 14:39 Trfel wrote:
AlphaZero, you want me to explain why I think Mocsta is town because you disagree right? Not to convince everyone else?
I am also willing to vote for scott31337. Whatever seems more reasonable.
Yeah, cause if I am missing something I want to know.
Pretty big disaster if we mislynch here, because probably i will be mislynched next.
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On June 14 2024 14:39 Trfel wrote:
AlphaZero, you want me to explain why I think Mocsta is town because you disagree right? Not to convince everyone else?
I am also willing to vote for scott31337. Whatever seems more reasonable.
Re: Scott
Mafia game 2015
https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1063&topic_id=474146
A list summary similar to a couple in this game.
Note: 1. Celestial is a scum partner that survived end game. Tone is very factual/content and leaves optionality
Note. 2. Half the Sky is a scum partner that is a godfather.
Scott plays to the setup which applies to a persons preference mafia or town. The mason whisper stuff is largely NAI as a question in itself
Celestial-I don’t like the timing when he claimed – He was under very little pressure. He hasn’t been counterclaimed though. Vet and Doc might be OP. If he isn’t shot tonight (although he could save himself, doesn’t say anything in the OP that he cannot) I’d probably lynch him after The Shining. Leaning scum
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Lets see how scott refers to sandroba this game N1 when sandroba was not a wagon for D2
https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=2238&topic_id=625928
Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:Scotty's magic N1 postSo - first - Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? because im going to jailkeep him Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.2. Mocsta fakeclaimedNow Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching todayTrfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.
here is another mafia game 1yr later where he seems to have IRL issues but there is one post again similar to his style of summary/catchip in this game
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/498066-haunted-mansion-mini-mafia?page=16#303
+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2015 14:55 scott31337 wrote:Allright, so I'm thinking the FF smurf thing is NAI - I'm glad it got the conversation started though. Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 11:18 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 11:11 Koshi wrote:
This thread needs more drama. be the drama you want to see in the thread Please don't encourage the Koshi - I don't know how many games of his that you have read of his, but, ........ Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Enough dicking around.
What do you guys think of what I've brought on Tictock? Is this the post you are referring to GB? Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that? ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense... Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him... lynch ff for sanity Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf? Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway.. lol.. Hmm? You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing. FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on? Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play. Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now. I'm just not seeing it for being a scumread - I see there's a lot of fluff there, he comes up with a superweak conclusion - is that what you are referring to? Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 12:24 ANickelDrink wrote:On November 25 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Enough dicking around.
What do you guys think of what I've brought on Tictock? this post right? On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:
Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.
Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.
SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.
Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere That's honestly not a bad call... Isn't that just arguing that his choice of words was wrong though? Ninja'd Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 12:55 GlowingBear wrote:On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that? ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense... Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him... lynch ff for sanity Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf? Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway.. lol.. Hmm? You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.
FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play. Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now. Nah, FF. He clearly agrees with SL. It's not a "I understand you, but..." Let me expand my suspicions on this post. If I see somethig that is NAI, whenever someone says it is suspicious, I will tell them that it's NAI. Whenever I see something that I find suspicious and someone say its suspicious, I will simply agree with it. I don't understand how can someone agree on a suspicion but reach the conclusion that that is NAI. His thought process is disconnected with his conclusion. In other words, it just sounds that he tried to fake putting thoughts on it when he was really just... Posting. Also, if this is slightly suspicious, why classifying it as NAI now instead of pushing it further, especially on the early phase of the game when usually we have NOTHING to pursue? Do you understsnd what I'm trying to say? This makes more sense - I wouldn't throw him in the scumpile for it or anything yet, but I see your point, and it sounds like you are trying to critically think about the game.. I like it so far. Well, in a vanilla game, it's kind of a given, eh?
i find the style much more narrative driven ->which makes sense as he is working within known information comapred to for example from this game:
https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1000&topic_id=625928
+ Show Spoiler +On June 09 2024 05:46 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 20:54 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 20:52 rsoultin wrote:
Cause now i have to try and convince someone objectively scummy =/= scum and thats exhausting Yes yes, everyone knows that. Yet thats how i perceive your scott case I also find it genuinely mindboggling how anyone is hard townreading sandy like you and marv are and yet i think you're town so pfft This is defintely on my mind as well... Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:16 AlphaZero wrote:
I want to lynch Scott unless he comes back and shits town flavored rainbows. 🌈
That make sense trfel?? What kind of rainbows would you like to see? Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:24 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 21:20 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 21:18 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 21:16 AlphaZero wrote:
I want to lynch Scott unless he comes back and shits town flavored rainbows. 🌈
That make sense trfel?? Yes and no, I understand that this is your perspective, but I disagree that doing so makes sense  In my opinion this is the towniest game I've ever seen scott31337 play. I'm just not very inclined to lynch him in it tbh. What do you propose then trfel? Kelsier lynch? It’s almost policy at this point. Yes, I've made it pretty clear that I want to lynch Kelsi3r. I don't think any other lynch is anywhere near as good. I don't think it's policy at all, honestly to me it looks most like either: 1 - he got bullied out of the thread or 2 - he got caught and lost motivation to post Obviously I think it's the latter, though if there is reasoning for the former I am willing to reconsider. Policy is lynching someone for activity or something like that. Kelsi3r was around, walked himself into a hole, got caught, and THEN stopped posting. Very, very different. This was something I noted as well, and one of the reasons I would like to lynch Kelsi3r for the time being. He has not posted since you wrote this message either. Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 23:16 Vivax wrote:On June 08 2024 08:29 scott31337 wrote:I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired. I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy. I search for Vivax - On June 07 2024 12:12 AlphaZero wrote:
Vivax looks town. 20 hours ago The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name. A post an hour ago Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him And now he votes for him. But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far. Seems suspicious to me. The timing of this post was a bit suspicious because AZ and Oats were going at me at the time so it might have led me to be pocketed by Scott playing devil's advocate. I don't feel like this is going to be an easy game. The timing was AZ going after me and changing his vote to someone else. This would be better read in context (post link) instead of filter. I still am lost about the "Vivax read" stuff. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 05:23 AlphaZero wrote:
If one of these guys is town we are going to mislynch.
What town agenda is this from? It's extremely rare you find two mafia D1. And I know I'm town. Like to me posting this is just muddying the waters and shitting in it.
the point of this is to show that scotts game is a more focused version when scum.
i just dont see him and sandroba bussing that hard even though scott had low cred as a wagon d1 candidate.
to conclude this is a possibility i think is ignoring the simplest answer, in that sandroba found a logical inconsistency to attack with 'truth' which you are always seeking for as mafia.
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Mocsta, why would you ever post like that >< If I go to any of those links it quotes it in a TL.net post preview. C'mom man, I just wanted to read what you had to say
In all seriousness though, I'll try and work through that. I appreciate it.
AlphaZero, I get that. Did my discussion with Mocsta about your alignment have any effect on your read of Mocsta?
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Also hey, look, it's me! I remember that game 
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On June 14 2024 14:43 Trfel wrote:I'm sorry Mocsta, I know you just said you don't want to talk about AlphaZero but can I at least make sure I am understanding you correctly? You say AlphaZero is mafia because he always has an explanation that defends his actions? Also, do you think die_meatbaby or scott31337 might be mafia? Sorry I know it's probably in your filter but I am worn out thats fine .. the game has been draining and i just cant force myself to re-read it.
Lets not say X guarantees Y as per your simplfied statement (re: AZ)
Im saying that is a "always having an explanation in writing" is a contributor to being "mafia"
then theres other factors as well, such as
- the low committment with sandroba, such that others like me and even rayn mentalised AZ to townread sandroba;
- there is the pursuit of policy lynches guised up as not playing the game right way;
- and i cant remember whatelse
if the bussing query is a pressing item, then it should not be ignored that AZ was masoned with Rayn as well.
Its not a point i would ever press as mandatory, but should be taken into consideration as optional.
i do not consider scott scum.
His meta is very limited, yet I think is telling enough.
I don't see his more direct approach this cycle a reflection of scum trying to close out the game; rather, he feels vindicated by sandroba being off his neck (that he in his filter has pushed since d1) & that the game is one step closer to being solved.
DMB. i dont have a read. or know how to read
I'm inclined to think town, purely because Sandroba sheeped you onto DMB when rayn started the sandroba case
Like. why sheep onto a scum counter-wagon that was likely to cop heat given DMBs overall cred
I mean.. look. i know its been pointed out that sandroba did not ask any questions, yet there is a clear progression from the start that DMB was scummy.. *maybe* sandroba wanted to be consistent.. i just don't buy it
In short, i might be like 55% leaning town for DMB..
it could be realistic one scum sits in DMB/Slam and i have no idea how to read either.
On June 11 2024 05:06 sandroba wrote:
Wow, I like this analysis, the high incidence of the excuses and the not knowing what to do theory explains her mindset from a mafia perspective very neatly. Furthermore I am inclined to agree with the argument that she even somehow townie we won't even be in a better spot to figure out her alignment, as opposed to koshi and rayn, who although are very high ev lynch we can assume our accuracy on them as the days go by will increase. Let's drive this one home.
##unvote
##vote: dmb
Sandroba has 4 posts talking about DMB prior but never to DMB
At the time of Sandroba DMB vote:
On June 11 2024 04:09 sandroba wrote:
I mean koshi + rayn makes too much sense. The random town reads, the weird interactions, it all fits! I think trfel is right about dmb being the third as well. On June 11 2024 03:45 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote:VivaxVivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r: On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier
He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish
I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie
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I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
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Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him. Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that. On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess. I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway. On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337: On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing? at the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either. On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such. But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours. Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded. Town. Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question. If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ? And then this? On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch. Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town: On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable. Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable. I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel. The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation. i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though. Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him. My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes. Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider. Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead? It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all: On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN Is scott31337 mafia still? I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate. wow this is great. Love the pick up about appeal to majority consensus as well. Very scummy yet didn't register to me in when reading in the moment Took me like 3-4 blocks to go through this because of all the quotes. I will probably clean this up for you a bit later today so reads cleaner ##vote:vivax Listen, this is usually what gets Vivax lynched every game. Some sort of inconsistency or misplaced emotion that makes no sense from a town perspective. I don't think vivax is mafia this game, and even if I'm wrong about this and he is it's at best a crap shoot, because the game where palmar lead his lynch day1 looked exactly like this. Look I'm just as lost as the next guy, I'm thinking this has to be koshi + rayn + slam/dmb basically by poe - but I think going for vivax right now is a mistake. On June 11 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
I'm around page 70, the beginning of N1. My worldview right now is:
Town:
trfel
mocsta
oats
scott
Likely town:
vivax
AZ
Mafia is here:
rsoul, rayn, dmb, slam On June 08 2024 03:16 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:56 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote:
So far I like rayn and trfel as town. So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?! Felt off and stood out to me at that point on the thread, I'm content with not pursuing it since further reading points to town. you stole my story who do you wanna lynch if it's not still scott? i'm bored of the scott conversation I'm not over scott. That single post by dmb then fucking off does look really bad, could get behind that. Rayn liking your terrible reasoning without knowing what it is also moves him away from my townie lean
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On June 14 2024 15:06 Trfel wrote:Mocsta, why would you ever post like that >< If I go to any of those links it quotes it in a TL.net post preview. C'mom man, I just wanted to read what you had to say In all seriousness though, I'll try and work through that. I appreciate it. AlphaZero, I get that. Did my discussion with Mocsta about your alignment have any effect on your read of Mocsta?
awww man. didnt realise. that sucks badly.. copy for next time
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On June 14 2024 15:00 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 14:39 Trfel wrote:
AlphaZero, you want me to explain why I think Mocsta is town because you disagree right? Not to convince everyone else?
I am also willing to vote for scott31337. Whatever seems more reasonable. Re: Scott
Mafia game 2015 https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1063&topic_id=474146A list summary similar to a couple in this game. Note: 1. Celestial is a scum partner that survived end game. Tone is very factual/content and leaves optionality Note. 2. Half the Sky is a scum partner that is a godfather. Scott plays to the setup which applies to a persons preference mafia or town. The mason whisper stuff is largely NAI as a question in itself Show nested quote +Celestial-I don’t like the timing when he claimed – He was under very little pressure. He hasn’t been counterclaimed though. Vet and Doc might be OP. If he isn’t shot tonight (although he could save himself, doesn’t say anything in the OP that he cannot) I’d probably lynch him after The Shining. Leaning scum + Show Spoiler +
Lets see how scott refers to sandroba this game N1 when sandroba was not a wagon for D2 https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=2238&topic_id=625928Show nested quote +Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. + Show Spoiler +On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:Scotty's magic N1 postSo - first - Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? because im going to jailkeep him Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.2. Mocsta fakeclaimedNow Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching todayTrfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.
here is another mafia game 1yr later where he seems to have IRL issues but there is one post again similar to his style of summary/catchip in this game https://tl.net/forum/mafia/498066-haunted-mansion-mini-mafia?page=16#303+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2015 14:55 scott31337 wrote:Allright, so I'm thinking the FF smurf thing is NAI - I'm glad it got the conversation started though. Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 11:18 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 11:11 Koshi wrote:
This thread needs more drama. be the drama you want to see in the thread Please don't encourage the Koshi - I don't know how many games of his that you have read of his, but, ........ Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Enough dicking around.
What do you guys think of what I've brought on Tictock? Is this the post you are referring to GB? Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that? ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense... Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him... lynch ff for sanity Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf? Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway.. lol.. Hmm? You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing. FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on? Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play. Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now. I'm just not seeing it for being a scumread - I see there's a lot of fluff there, he comes up with a superweak conclusion - is that what you are referring to? Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 12:24 ANickelDrink wrote:On November 25 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Enough dicking around.
What do you guys think of what I've brought on Tictock? this post right? On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:
Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.
Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.
SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.
Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere That's honestly not a bad call... Isn't that just arguing that his choice of words was wrong though? Ninja'd Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 12:55 GlowingBear wrote:On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that? ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense... Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him... lynch ff for sanity Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf? Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway.. lol.. Hmm? You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.
FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play. Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now. Nah, FF. He clearly agrees with SL. It's not a "I understand you, but..." Let me expand my suspicions on this post. If I see somethig that is NAI, whenever someone says it is suspicious, I will tell them that it's NAI. Whenever I see something that I find suspicious and someone say its suspicious, I will simply agree with it. I don't understand how can someone agree on a suspicion but reach the conclusion that that is NAI. His thought process is disconnected with his conclusion. In other words, it just sounds that he tried to fake putting thoughts on it when he was really just... Posting. Also, if this is slightly suspicious, why classifying it as NAI now instead of pushing it further, especially on the early phase of the game when usually we have NOTHING to pursue? Do you understsnd what I'm trying to say? This makes more sense - I wouldn't throw him in the scumpile for it or anything yet, but I see your point, and it sounds like you are trying to critically think about the game.. I like it so far. Well, in a vanilla game, it's kind of a given, eh? i find the style much more narrative driven ->which makes sense as he is working within known information comapred to for example from this game: https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1000&topic_id=625928+ Show Spoiler +On June 09 2024 05:46 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 20:54 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 20:52 rsoultin wrote:
Cause now i have to try and convince someone objectively scummy =/= scum and thats exhausting Yes yes, everyone knows that. Yet thats how i perceive your scott case I also find it genuinely mindboggling how anyone is hard townreading sandy like you and marv are and yet i think you're town so pfft This is defintely on my mind as well... Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:16 AlphaZero wrote:
I want to lynch Scott unless he comes back and shits town flavored rainbows. 🌈
That make sense trfel?? What kind of rainbows would you like to see? Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:24 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 21:20 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 21:18 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 21:16 AlphaZero wrote:
I want to lynch Scott unless he comes back and shits town flavored rainbows. 🌈
That make sense trfel?? Yes and no, I understand that this is your perspective, but I disagree that doing so makes sense In my opinion this is the towniest game I've ever seen scott31337 play. I'm just not very inclined to lynch him in it tbh. What do you propose then trfel? Kelsier lynch? It’s almost policy at this point. Yes, I've made it pretty clear that I want to lynch Kelsi3r. I don't think any other lynch is anywhere near as good. I don't think it's policy at all, honestly to me it looks most like either: 1 - he got bullied out of the thread or 2 - he got caught and lost motivation to post Obviously I think it's the latter, though if there is reasoning for the former I am willing to reconsider. Policy is lynching someone for activity or something like that. Kelsi3r was around, walked himself into a hole, got caught, and THEN stopped posting. Very, very different. This was something I noted as well, and one of the reasons I would like to lynch Kelsi3r for the time being. He has not posted since you wrote this message either. Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 23:16 Vivax wrote:On June 08 2024 08:29 scott31337 wrote:I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired. I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy. I search for Vivax - On June 07 2024 12:12 AlphaZero wrote:
Vivax looks town. 20 hours ago The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name. A post an hour ago Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him And now he votes for him. But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far. Seems suspicious to me. The timing of this post was a bit suspicious because AZ and Oats were going at me at the time so it might have led me to be pocketed by Scott playing devil's advocate. I don't feel like this is going to be an easy game. The timing was AZ going after me and changing his vote to someone else. This would be better read in context (post link) instead of filter. I still am lost about the "Vivax read" stuff. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 05:23 AlphaZero wrote:
If one of these guys is town we are going to mislynch.
What town agenda is this from? It's extremely rare you find two mafia D1. And I know I'm town. Like to me posting this is just muddying the waters and shitting in it.
the point of this is to show that scotts game is a more focused version when scum. i just dont see him and sandroba bussing that hard even though scott had low cred as a wagon d1 candidate. to conclude this is a possibility i think is ignoring the simplest answer, in that sandroba found a logical inconsistency to attack with 'truth' which you are always seeking for as mafia.
If 2 mafia are on the chopping block day 1, the best thing to do is bus.
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But wait day 2 right? Kelsier was day 1?
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On June 14 2024 15:29 Alakaslam wrote:
But wait day 2 right? Kelsier was day 1? Bingo
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Read your first post. I respect the work you put into it but I'm honestly not sure if there is a distinct difference that I would put a lot of confidence in. This may be due to my aversion to meta reads though.
I just don't like to clear someone if I am not 100% sure. I've seen so many games go awry due to clearing someone for poor reasons and then making up reasons to find other people mafia as a result. Imo if you just keep most people on the table and look for reasons to suspect people instead of reasons to clear people, you're better off.
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On June 14 2024 15:32 Trfel wrote:
Read your first post. I respect the work you put into it but I'm honestly not sure if there is a distinct difference that I would put a lot of confidence in. This may be due to my aversion to meta reads though.
I just don't like to clear someone if I am not 100% sure. I've seen so many games go awry due to clearing someone for poor reasons and then making up reasons to find other people mafia as a result. Imo if you just keep most people on the table and look for reasons to suspect people instead of reasons to clear people, you're better off. That's fair and understandable.
I think the most important part was the last paragraph about sandroba this game though? Do you disagree?
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Any by disagree I don't mean to clear as one piece of evidence
The way I weigh up his filter and sandroba interactions I like as town
I mean let's be real. The guy has been in the block for one week non stop.
The game has been so disjointed it would be easy to throw votes around. That's my perception personally
So much low hanging fruit and sandroba was there only because of afk
I combine those things and it's hard for me to say he is suspicious which makes him a town read for me
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I can see what you're saying about the sandroba stuff. Maybe you're right, I just have a hard time putting much weight into associations unless it's extreme.
Rsoultin pushing sandroba half of day 1 and then being replaced by Koshi who pushed sandroba all of day 2? I can get behind that.
Less than that? Tbh, even if you can break it down and correctly analyze why mafia wouldn't have done something, turns out mafia makes mistakes sometimes too. Maybe they made a judgement error and then did something that you can correctly analyze as incorrect.
Not that it doesn't have any merit, but it's hard for me to weigh it against non-associative reasons. Bleh, maybe I need to use my computer again
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On June 14 2024 15:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 15:32 Trfel wrote:
Read your first post. I respect the work you put into it but I'm honestly not sure if there is a distinct difference that I would put a lot of confidence in. This may be due to my aversion to meta reads though.
I just don't like to clear someone if I am not 100% sure. I've seen so many games go awry due to clearing someone for poor reasons and then making up reasons to find other people mafia as a result. Imo if you just keep most people on the table and look for reasons to suspect people instead of reasons to clear people, you're better off. That's fair and understandable. I think the most important part was the last paragraph about sandroba this game though? Do you disagree? I think it makes sense in the context that sandroba probably didn't expect to go afk for so long. I think it's quite reasonable for mafia to vote a partner early in a day tbh. If they can defend themselves, great, just say their defense makes sense and you changed your mind! If not, you have an early bus, and they probably weren't surviving anyway.
Scott31337 being mafia doesn't feel right to me so I am open to that being wrong. I do have a little more confidence in the die_meatbaby vote.
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