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On December 18 2023 23:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:37 sandroba wrote:
Tell me what you think about my spiel on rayn marv Read it, went and read rayn’s filter since the conversation with Palmar, and I’m still struggling with it tbh with you. I’m well aware there’s 2 mafia floating about though, so they have to be somewhere.
First we have to just accept that whoever is the mafia here they are doing a good job. Given that assumption, we go from there
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On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote:
Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please?
1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all.
The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game.
His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him?
Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious.
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On December 18 2023 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
DMB, as you like a bit of meta and reading old games.
Can you find a single example where sandro has a decent size filter and fights for his life when he is about to be lynched as mafia?
I think the most telling thing is that I would never try to take myself to end game as mafia while lynching the role blocker Chezinu on my team. Chezinu could single-handedly win a game for mafia
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On December 18 2023 23:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote:
Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please? 1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all. The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game. His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him? Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious. Given the runaway lynch on Chez, can you not imagine the world where mafia (either Trfel alone or a group decision) make the choice to bus Chez and look good from it? What I’m saying is, if Trfel stuck on you and didn’t vote Chez and everyone else voted the same, he would look like 100% mafia after d2 lynch
When Trfel started advocating the Chez lynch and called me town there was no runaway wagon on Chez.
Are you saying like Trfel and Slam or Trfel alone randomly decided not to lynch me and go after Chezinu just for cred?
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On December 18 2023 23:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote:
Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please? 1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all. The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game. His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him? Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious. Given the runaway lynch on Chez, can you not imagine the world where mafia (either Trfel alone or a group decision) make the choice to bus Chez and look good from it? What I’m saying is, if Trfel stuck on you and didn’t vote Chez and everyone else voted the same, he would look like 100% mafia after d2 lynch
That would make sense if he had that change of heart after the day progressed, but I'm pretty sure he was one the first to actually call me town and tell people to go on Chez. At the point which he did I was advocating for his lynch, not Chez's
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On December 19 2023 00:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 00:01 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:58 marvellosity wrote:On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote:
Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please? 1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all. The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game. His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him? Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious. Given the runaway lynch on Chez, can you not imagine the world where mafia (either Trfel alone or a group decision) make the choice to bus Chez and look good from it? What I’m saying is, if Trfel stuck on you and didn’t vote Chez and everyone else voted the same, he would look like 100% mafia after d2 lynch When Trfel started advocating the Chez lynch and called me town there was no runaway wagon on Chez. Are you saying like Trfel and Slam or Trfel alone randomly decided not to lynch me and go after Chezinu just for cred? Yes (at least I think it is not an unreasonable line of thought!) Mafia in that spot (even before all the votes pile on Chez) have to make a decision on whether supporting your lynch will actually get you lynched. If the answer is “I don’t think sand will end up getting lynched” the correct play is to go after Chez for cred
It doesn't make sense to me when this happened. Lets assume Palmar is town in this scenario. We had you palmar HF, tunneling me. Slam and rayn had not really taken a position. Why would they ever assume I'm not getting lynched? If you read Trfel's posts after he enters the thread on d2 it's all so good. If anything you can criticize is being too calm and level headed.
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On December 19 2023 00:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 00:03 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:58 marvellosity wrote:On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote:
Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please? 1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all. The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game. His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him? Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious. Given the runaway lynch on Chez, can you not imagine the world where mafia (either Trfel alone or a group decision) make the choice to bus Chez and look good from it? What I’m saying is, if Trfel stuck on you and didn’t vote Chez and everyone else voted the same, he would look like 100% mafia after d2 lynch That would make sense if he had that change of heart after the day progressed, but I'm pretty sure he was one the first to actually call me town and tell people to go on Chez. At the point which he did I was advocating for his lynch, not Chez's The thing is I remember well the point you called him town and why. Pocketed you for the rest of the game, potentially, from that one play.
Possibly, but that seems useless since at that point I would probably going to get miss lynched either way and I don't think I held any sway over town. He had no way of knowing I would get into a frenzy and start obsessing over this game and give him the victory by not ever lynching him.
At that point that would be an extremely bad play as mafia. You guys just killed HF yesterday under the assumption that mafia made an extremely bad night kill. I don't think these assumptions are high e.v.
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On December 14 2023 03:21 Trfel wrote:I thought raynpelikoneet was town but I honestly forget why. Now I kinda think he's mafia but I need to reread him (next on the list), it irks me since I think I had a reason to townread him and forgot it though. I always think you're town. This game is no exception. Sometimes you end up being mafia. It's sad but I have no idea how to change this.
This post is extremely townie of Trfel. The irks me part, it looks hard to fake that sentiment as mafia
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On December 19 2023 00:21 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 00:00 marvellosity wrote:On December 18 2023 23:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
DMB, as you like a bit of meta and reading old games.
Can you find a single example where sandro has a decent size filter and fights for his life when he is about to be lynched as mafia? I will search for that. I will find it. I will destroy him if it is same playstyle as here. Scum pissed me off a bit to much and now I will find this two f****rs immediately DMB, I get that you’re emotional, but on the assumption that you’re town, take some deep breaths and be rational. It’s crunch time and if you’re flying off the handle that’s not gonna get scum lynched. That’s the only goal. Lecture us after the game for being plebs if that’s what you need to do! Jesus snake calmed me down. I am sorry for the mean words and I am sorry for whoever i offendet in my aggresive mood. Mafia is playing well and i guess I was offendet beeing fooled so long and so much from scum. I am calm now. Sorry if somebody feels offendet by my words.
Nobody is offended, we are all big boys. We just want you to try to form a cohesive view and try to convince us of it.
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On December 19 2023 00:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 00:03 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:58 marvellosity wrote:On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote:
Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please? 1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all. The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game. His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him? Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious. Given the runaway lynch on Chez, can you not imagine the world where mafia (either Trfel alone or a group decision) make the choice to bus Chez and look good from it? What I’m saying is, if Trfel stuck on you and didn’t vote Chez and everyone else voted the same, he would look like 100% mafia after d2 lynch That would make sense if he had that change of heart after the day progressed, but I'm pretty sure he was one the first to actually call me town and tell people to go on Chez. At the point which he did I was advocating for his lynch, not Chez's The thing is I remember well the point you called him town and why. Pocketed you for the rest of the game, potentially, from that one play.
You also "pocketed" me for the rest of the game by changing your vote to chez when you had every excuse not to. Should I also throw away this notion and assume it was a bad play?
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On December 18 2023 19:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm straight up taking a break.
will post thoughts if I feel like it.
Do you believe this depressed Palmar post?
Do you believe he is reading you null and me possibly mafia?
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Marv, tell me what's so townie from rayn during his palmar conversation d2. All I can see is he either trying to diffuse suspicion from a townie or putting on a show with a partner. After he accomplishes that he just fucks off. He takes the angle "if I'm mafia who is mafia with me", placates Palmar and that's it.
I see rayn grilling Trfel for a bit in the next page, it looks like the only player he ever goes aggro on.
And this is after agreeing with Palmar here:
On December 17 2023 08:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you Palmar tell me, if i am to flip mafia here, how are you going to go for the next day?
How do you reason either sandroba or Holyflare being mafia? Again, I don't do associative reads and I don't care what deaf mafia say. Do you agree with my townreads? (dmb, trfel, slam)
On December 17 2023 09:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i agree with those reads.
Seems like an inconsistent state of mind from rayn. Not sure how this reflects on Trfel, but definetely seems off from rayn
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On December 17 2023 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 09:42 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
So we just lynch HF? I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was. I can do whatever i want tomorrow. Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already. As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are: 1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam 2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax. 3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town. I can agree to 1 and probably to 3 as well. Not so much on 2. Question to you; based on 3, you think i haven't done that? Maybe not in a way you like but like you think i haven't made any major discussions happen for instance?
Palmar is asking rayn about HF, but since Palmar mentions rayn here he has very little curiosity about the HF discussion and goes into disrupt suspicion mode again
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Rayn, why did you agree with Palmar's town read on Trfel at that point?
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On December 19 2023 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba why do you think slam is town, can i have a bullet point list?
1 - D2 Slam was amazing. He called out Chez on a very unique point and determined I was town, went against thread sentiment.
2 - Everyone is calling Slam town all through the game, including dead townies and HF who said to never lynch Slam. There must be something that went on in their QT that we don't know about that made HF make that post.
3 - It's easier
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On December 19 2023 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 01:37 sandroba wrote:
Rayn, why did you agree with Palmar's town read on Trfel at that point? Because i thought Trfel is town? What are you trying to imply?
I'm saying it's not clear to me you really thought that at that point from your previous posts. Also, it's not clear you thought that after Trfel came in the thread and you grilled him, it's weird how aggro you went on him given you town read him.
I'm saying to me it looks like you are placating Palmar.
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On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb
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On December 19 2023 01:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 01:14 sandroba wrote:On December 17 2023 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 17 2023 09:42 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
So we just lynch HF? I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was. I can do whatever i want tomorrow. Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already. As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are: 1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam 2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax. 3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town. I can agree to 1 and probably to 3 as well. Not so much on 2. Question to you; based on 3, you think i haven't done that? Maybe not in a way you like but like you think i haven't made any major discussions happen for instance? Palmar is asking rayn about HF, but since Palmar mentions rayn here he has very little curiosity about the HF discussion and goes into disrupt suspicion mode again The posts from 2488 that go on a few just read natural to me. Don’t they to you? Says lynching you is the right thing for gameplay reasons. Then says he doesn’t really think you’re mafia though. Moves on to DMB and then a little while later concludes not mafia.
Kinda yes, but I have to ignore something about someone if someone ever in this game is going to be mafia
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On December 19 2023 01:37 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 22:36 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 14:33 Alakaslam wrote:On December 18 2023 12:28 sandroba wrote:
DMB needs to die. This whole act of hyperfixating in Palmar and playing too dumb to be scum is getting old.
Palmar the only way I believe is ever town is if he is an investigative role, which is why I backed off today. At this point I'd rather he gets killed in the night, so I don't see any downside saying this. His fixation on me claiming blue in the QT could make sense I guess if he is trying to catch me since he knows he is blue and thinks he must be the only one due to balance. I can see that. Also, the way he answered my mafia vigi speculation with "Mafia doesn't have extra KP" seemed TMI in a way that if he knows he is a blue role and due to balance town has no other protective roles and mafia must have no KP.
That's pretty much the only way I can believe Palmar is town.
Need to look at rayn now, pretty stupid that he voted HF over Palmar or DMB. His DMB read is super bad, kinda like a copy of Palmar's read. Even if DMB is town the reason for town read is awful, hard to swallow those reads I have no voice, and I must scream. Why have YOU not been lynched? SAME REASON DO NOT LYNCH DMB I don't get it slam You were up for lynch You expressed your town alignment You were saved Dmb was up for lynch She has expressed her town alignment I am trying to save her too
Understood. I'm okay with this. Coming around to dmb town. Still think some of these town reads DMB was getting are BS
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On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ???
Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good?
Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do
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