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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 29 2023 20:04 GMT
#28
/in
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 03:49 GMT
#71
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.

So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.

For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 04:23 GMT
#73
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 04:40 GMT
#82
I'm trying to convey how confident I am about the things I'm saying, not pretending to be confident when I'm not.
The point of my commentary is to share my thoughts, generate discussion and drive it toward people's alignments, which I find very useful to kick start the game.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 04:56 GMT
#85
I meant it in response to your post about my initial post. It applies to your question about Alakaslam as well though.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 05:00 GMT
#86
On December 10 2023 13:26 Trfel wrote:
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On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature
I guess what I meant moreso was, why did you post that section? Since you seemed to end up with no read whatsoever, I'm just curious what the motivation/mindset/purpose was?

It's not "no read", it's a few things that point one way or the other. The point of sharing inconclusive thoughts is that it helps other players make sense of my alignment and also invites others to partake in the discussion.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 05:10 GMT
#87
Alright, good night folks. I'll be back in 12 hours or so
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 19:34 GMT
#326
On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.

Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia?

Is that supposed to change something?

Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.

Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember.


I think this is a towny observation from rayn, no way dp would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 19:48 GMT
#334
@holyflare, you first post you start with the statement that you thought I was mafia and then derives the rest of your reads from it. Can you expand on why you believe I was suspicious based on my initial posts?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 20:07 GMT
#342
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 20:11 GMT
#348
On December 11 2023 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
Also:

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On December 11 2023 04:34 sandroba wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.

Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia?

Is that supposed to change something?

Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.

Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember.


I think this is a towny observation from rayn, no way dp would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel.


Of all the posts in the thread I also take umbrage with the fact that you've essentially taken this one as a pseudo way of defending yourself. I also would like you to elaborate on this some more because there are several interpretations of what this can actually mean and it's vague enough that you can use it to imply many things.

That's not a defense of me, as I could be mafia and DP town in this scenario. The fact that rayn's brain read that exchange and thought "No way 2 mafia would do that as partners" I think demonstrates a towny trying to solve the game.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 20:22 GMT
#354
On December 11 2023 04:38 Koshi wrote:
I'll add 2 more names DP and Tfrel could consider inviting. rayn and slam.

I like all your reads Koshi, wouldn't doubt your filter being 100% at this point. I think I dislike Vivax the most, his reasoning and phrasing seem contrived to me on both his posts on me and DP.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 20:23 GMT
#355
marv and holyflare not very impressive atm. Palmar is normal I guess
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 20:31 GMT
#364
On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts.

I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this.

People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong)

Thanks for looking out for the rest of us, I do believe you are town. Believe it or not I wasn't so much defending myself as I was questioning HF. If it wasn't clear I find vivax to be the most likely mafia so far, with marv following just for being wrong and stirring up suspicion the wrong way and a bit iffy on HF but that might be just omgus on my part.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 20:34 GMT
#367
On December 11 2023 05:27 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 11 2023 05:11 sandroba wrote:
On December 11 2023 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
Also:

On December 11 2023 04:34 sandroba wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.

Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia?

Is that supposed to change something?

Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.

Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember.


I think this is a towny observation from rayn, no way dp would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel.


Of all the posts in the thread I also take umbrage with the fact that you've essentially taken this one as a pseudo way of defending yourself. I also would like you to elaborate on this some more because there are several interpretations of what this can actually mean and it's vague enough that you can use it to imply many things.

That's not a defense of me, as I could be mafia and DP town in this scenario. The fact that rayn's brain read that exchange and thought "No way 2 mafia would do that as partners" I think demonstrates a towny trying to solve the game.


I chose the scenario where you didn't view yourself as mafia?

Please tell me your updated read on Trfel, it's imperative for this line of thought.

What does it matter how I view myself when I'm analyzing rayn's remark about the game from his perspective?
I'd say I'm leaning town on Trfle at the moment, his engagement seems genuine to me.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 20:42 GMT
#376
On December 11 2023 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba are you gonna be here in like 30mins?
i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here.

I'm not going to stick around much longer, my youngest just woke up. I'll be back around 10pm ET. Tomorrow I'll be available throughout the day
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 20:58 GMT
#389
On December 11 2023 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 05:42 sandroba wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba are you gonna be here in like 30mins?
i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here.

I'm not going to stick around much longer, my youngest just woke up. I'll be back around 10pm ET. Tomorrow I'll be available throughout the day

why is marv mafia?

Something is off about the way he says "his first terrible post", seems needlessly antagonistic, a bit too assertive about maybe the contents of the post being terrible? Doesn't explain much about why such post was "terrible" or even if terrible means suspicious. The rest of his content just seems a bit of stirring the pot, but not in a way to actually talk about something suspicious, but instead to keep people nit-picking on each other in circles.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 21:03 GMT
#393
Now I do have to go, see you guys in a few
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 11 2023 03:36 GMT
#646
On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:
Hello.

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On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.

So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.

For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far.


We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them.
I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded).

'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment.

'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that?

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On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature


This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either.

Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments?

I feel like this post sounds very unnatural, and also has some confusion about things that were already clarified in the thread at the point this post was made.
The 'Posting within what I expected' part was asked by Trfel and I did clarify what I meant.
'Self-demeaning tone about his performance' is something very obvious if you read the post if you read the post I was talking about which he mentions his chances of finding mafia.
The reasoning to me sound extremely contrieved, trying to blend in with thread sentiment while appearing to be putting in an effort.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 11 2023 03:39 GMT
#647
@marv needless aggression and undue assertiveness are more traits of people pretending to be town than actual townies.
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