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On November 16 2020 18:27 GreYMisT wrote: Since when have you been a mod? Nice to see you Someone at TL probably thought it'd be a funny pun if you get banned by FecalFeast for posting excrement | ||
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TickTock are you claiming survivor? I'd lynch the survivor claim on D1, later maybe not. On November 24 2020 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's be bold and say that TT is town this game. Why? | ||
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Fefes reaction felt more akin to mine. He can be town for today. Whether I want to be mayor largely depends on someone being willing to do more legwork and have a good track record. Hapa comes to mind if he doesn't scum around too much. | ||
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Not happy with the volume of Fefes posts so far but purely format-wise it's what I'd expect from town Fefe (lazy posts). But maybe he learned to emulate that as scum, so I'll just leave it at a request for him to post more, especially if he wants to be mayor. | ||
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Also that reminds me of Slam's comment that mafia wouldn't want the mayor spot or something like that (if I'm not confusing something because I'm not bothering to double check). Add that to his list of sins because it's nonsense imo. | ||
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On November 24 2020 09:29 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote: On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote: Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet. I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm. On November 24 2020 10:00 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2020 09:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont know what is it about gamewise but i like rush hour. :D Yep Basically you went and pushed that button man On November 24 2020 10:02 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2020 09:57 Hapahauli wrote: Regardless if you take offense or not, that was uncalled for on my part. I do feel as if the "theme" of our last few games played is that you attribute certain qualities to my very early-game town plan, I do not meet those "expectations", and I get called mafia for a longer period of time than I would prefer. It is a bit of a self-meta thing, but I tend to dislike making any sort of concrete reads in the early game unless I am very confident in the read. Once I articulate a read, I find it very mentally difficult to go back and re-evaluate it seriously. Hence, I keep my reads "notepad", but I do avoid posting every little one in thread, lest I inadvertently commit myself to a town read for bad reasons. Regarding Mayor... I kinda don't want to run? It's a lot of responsibility, and I tend to enjoy games more where I am not forced to take a leadership role. If it becomes apparent that there is no good choice for mayor, I will likely campaign for myself. But I'd like to avoid that if possible. By the way, this doesn’t make hapa scum It’s just that I don’t know why he doesn’t want to run as town. Or if I do know, for some reason, I don’t exactly want to draw attention to that possible reason. Anyway. I’m running gib vote pliss Don't even know where his Hapa townread came from. He's very one sided in his argumentation here. | ||
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Top it off with him saying mafia wouldn't run, shouldn't he be more wary here? This it looks like he was trying to please him, or maybe you, in some way. For the sake of. | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:21 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I have to agree with you, that is quite bold indeed Fair enough, I suppose we'll see eventually.On November 24 2020 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's be bold and say that TT is town this game. In other news, I kinda like Alakaslam this game. Which likely means he's mafia, he has a tendency to be the opposite alignment of whatever I think he is If possible, I think it may be wise to control the votes such that all of the votes are on the same person, thus making there no Pardoner as there is no one in second place (or would it then be randomized... so many questions). Though unfortunately that seems very difficult to control, and if it's possible to vote for oneself, it may be worthwhile for mafia to ninja vote because it would take two lynches to eliminate them. Maybe not such a good idea after all. Ah well. Hi all Any thoughts about Alakaslam? I think I've seen Slam as scum only once, tops twice. IIRC. Since you have something in mind where this happened, do you remember the game? Or did you just scumread him when he was town. Either way I'm not a fan of this reasoning, mafia sometimes are the friendliest guys in the game, or girls in the case of cop last game. I like the idea to not have a pardoner in the game but would probably not expect it to work. | ||
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On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote: Vivax's entrance is uninspiring and scummy, since he makes 6 pointless posts about reads that he's not read enough of the thread to be confident on. Strike while the iron is hot. I might forget something that caught my eye if I don't instantly write about it. But noted that to you the posts are pointless. Are they also pointless when I'm caught up? | ||
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On November 24 2020 20:49 Jockmcplop wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2020 14:09 Tictock wrote: Took a quick break from leveling (about 40% in) to read and stretch. I take Trfel's bumbling to be fairly genuine and am ok hand waving Gracks tone as town (honestly have only skimmed his posts though). If I had to shoot anyone right now (who has posted) I would kill FF. See you guys in a few more levels. I saw you throw shade at FF a little yesterday. Why you after him? The shade throwing by TT is about Fefe not realizing it's mayor vote time, so weird way for Jock to frame what has happened. In context the post also looks a bit snipey with the Trfel + Grack discussion and Slam talking about HolyPears lawyer status. Looks like an easy question to sneak in and calling it shade throwing suggests laziness, but subsequent posts by Jock seem fine. So in summary, entrance kinda shitty here but otherwise I feel like Jock is thinking along my lines here in regards to Slam, Grack and Trfel. Which doesn't mean much alignment wise but I can work with him for today. Trfel is probably town, doesn't have the mafia nervous tone. TT is being nonchalant about just giving half a fuck about playing mafia while poking FF so can be town too. | ||
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On November 25 2020 01:01 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 00:45 Vivax wrote: On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote: Vivax's entrance is uninspiring and scummy, since he makes 6 pointless posts about reads that he's not read enough of the thread to be confident on. Strike while the iron is hot. I might forget something that caught my eye if I don't instantly write about it. But noted that to you the posts are pointless. Are they also pointless when I'm caught up? No. There is a difference between: "Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons*" *this read is subject to change after I read the thread. and "Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons" The first doesn't inherently state anything. You are saying I could now go back and take back what I said about Slam because I've read the thread after I said it? What would I say in the case where you are right and I find three dudes who I want to lynch more than him? Your implication is that I'd invalidate what I said about Slam while I'd just say I found three dudes who are scummier than him. In conclusion, you'd not like me to spell out whatever is going through my mind at a given moment if it isn't my baked out scumteam (which btw seems impossible D1 with these players)? Because that's what the purpose of you calling out my post as pointless would be if it isn't to just shovel shit in my general direction, which it felt like. | ||
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I didn't know you could do that. | ||
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Or any other player for that matter. Feels like now you're just sitting back waiting to see what gets thrown at you. | ||
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On November 25 2020 01:43 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2020 23:37 Vivax wrote: To conclude, I need to go grab some thingies and while at it decide if I want to run. Also skipped over reading Trfel, Jock and a bunch of other stuff. See you in a while. No, too late bro. If elected Mayor, I will push for a lynch on Vivax. I will still listen to town, but that is who I suspect most. Feeling threatened? | ||
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At least that's the pattern for Jock and Slam on the last page. For Jock minus the x is mafia but it leaves a bad aftertaste that he dodges or misses Hapas question. Either way Trfel seems like a reasonable choice for mayor. Pretty much my only TR at this point aside from tentatively ticktock. I'm kinda in a hurry so hoped I could do more during these hours. In case someone wants to make me mayor, as in a rebellious maniac who mostly tryhards, here's my program. If I become mayor I'd use it as a vig shot on Shockeyy or FF if they don't rack up at least 2 pages of filter til the end of the day. That's the only thing that makes sense on a D1 with the awful scum hit rate and peeps should know. Otherwise I don't trust anyone to be able to figure out Shockeyy anyway. When they rack up the two pages under duress, my watchful gaze, I'd just try to compromise on a lynch with whom I think is town. | ||
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On November 25 2020 02:20 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 01:20 Vivax wrote: On November 25 2020 01:01 Hapahauli wrote: On November 25 2020 00:45 Vivax wrote: On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote: Vivax's entrance is uninspiring and scummy, since he makes 6 pointless posts about reads that he's not read enough of the thread to be confident on. Strike while the iron is hot. I might forget something that caught my eye if I don't instantly write about it. But noted that to you the posts are pointless. Are they also pointless when I'm caught up? No. There is a difference between: "Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons*" *this read is subject to change after I read the thread. and "Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons" The first doesn't inherently state anything. You are saying I could now go back and take back what I said about Slam because I've read the thread after I said it? What would I say in the case where you are right and I find three dudes who I want to lynch more than him? Your implication is that I'd invalidate what I said about Slam while I'd just say I found three dudes who are scummier than him. In conclusion, you'd not like me to spell out whatever is going through my mind at a given moment if it isn't my baked out scumteam (which btw seems impossible D1 with these players)? Because that's what the purpose of you calling out my post as pointless would be if it isn't to just shovel shit in my general direction, which it felt like. No one is asking you to throw out a full scum-team less than 24 hours into day 1. Question: you believe I am "shoveling shit" at you since I pointed out something that you did that I perceived as "scummy" (useless posts, etc.). Is that not exactly the function of posting what you did about Slam? Posting a suspicion with qualifications, and then immediately hedging those suspicions? Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 00:22 Vivax wrote: Anyway I don't want to call him mafia before I've read everything. Going to get to that now. You said pointless and scummy. You explained why the pointless, you didn't explain why the scummy. On November 25 2020 02:35 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 02:15 Vivax wrote: Seems to be a thing atm to just say x is mafia without pointing out anything in specific, ignore questions and peace out again. At least that's the pattern for Jock and Slam on the last page. For Jock minus the x is mafia but it leaves a bad aftertaste that he dodges or misses Hapas question. Either way Trfel seems like a reasonable choice for mayor. Pretty much my only TR at this point aside from tentatively ticktock. I'm kinda in a hurry so hoped I could do more during these hours. In case someone wants to make me mayor, as in a rebellious maniac who mostly tryhards, here's my program. If I become mayor I'd use it as a vig shot on Shockeyy or FF if they don't rack up at least 2 pages of filter til the end of the day. That's the only thing that makes sense on a D1 with the awful scum hit rate and peeps should know. Otherwise I don't trust anyone to be able to figure out Shockeyy anyway. When they rack up the two pages under duress, my watchful gaze, I'd just try to compromise on a lynch with whom I think is town. Where did Jock dodge/miss my question? Upon a review of the thread, he answered what I asked of him to my knowledge. I somehow missed the "yes" between your post and his. Thought he didn't answer that. | ||
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On November 25 2020 02:46 Grackaroni wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 01:37 Vivax wrote: Grack have you arrived to anything conclusion-wise in regards to Trfel? Or any other player for that matter. Feels like now you're just sitting back waiting to see what gets thrown at you. I really just don't get quick reads the way other people tend to do. I actually spend a lot of time reading too funnily enough. You're right that Trfel seems pretty comfortable when talking about me/Rayn but I do think his opening post was an uncomfortable one. I expected to be scum reading Jock going into a filter dive but I came out thinking his point on Trfel is actually a good one. Trfel seemed like he really wanted to push out his read that Slam was approaching his mayor run in a townie way, but then at the end he's waffling because Slam is being persistent? The only thing I'd feel pretty strongly so far is that Hapa is town. Where did that expectation come from? You sound a lot like you have a Trfel suspicion but are hesitant to say it, which I think Hapa already mentioned (and that makes him town?). Was the mayor thing serious? Since you haven't really said on what premise you'd lynch. On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote: On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote: Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. Show nested quote + On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet. I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm. So, did he build them yet? | ||
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On November 25 2020 09:14 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 06:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: I voted Trfel as mayor for now. I like his posting style this game. He seems very pro town to me. Only mafia would self vote. *eyes slam* What kind of bullshit is this? Basically every mayor has done that no? Got to agree here. Only mafia would self vote is an odd thought to have and in this case is overexplaining it. Feels nervous-y. | ||
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Also less crazy today. Rayn could you talk a bit about your scumreads? You seem very calm, very diplomatic so far. I'd expect you to have sunk your teeth into someone by now in a more rain-y way. You explained you don't want to jump on Hapa then jumped on Hapa in the same post for not wanting to be mayor (I think?), that's the most fleshed out read I spotted yet somehow he ended up on the bottom of the list when you mentioned other scumreads. | ||
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On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote: Mornin'. So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now. Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy. I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute." Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences. I think he just wanted to make a funny entrance. Don't really see him being mafia atm. Shockeyy is always like that. If I'd kill him then not because I think he's scum but because I will never be sure about what he is, probably. Someone mentioned earlier that Jock seemed less analytical than in his usual town games and I'll agree. I also find it odd in his case that he doesn't think Trfel is town given when they have been teammates and imo Trfel doesn't post like in that game (the "Trfel help" one). That said my lynch pool atm would be something along Shockeyy, Jock, Fefe. Maybe TickTock because he kinda stopped playing after getting townread by a few. | ||
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On November 25 2020 23:41 Jockmcplop wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote: Mornin'. So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now. Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy. I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute." Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences. I disagree that townreads aren't important right now. They pretty much narrow down the pool of who can be mayor. Clearly shockeyy has no people townreading him so he won't be mayor. Out of the people claiming they want to be mayor, only slam and ticktock have said what they will do if elected. That's a problem. Out of those two I would probably prefer slam because at least he's been here enough that i'm confident he knows exactly what is happening. I'm unvoting grack because I don't feel like he has continued to engage with the mayor thing at all really like he never really wanted to be mayor in the first place. Trfel seems like an odd choice to me. He hasn't said he wanted to be mayor and has given no indication of what he would do if he was mayor. I can't vote for him anyway. I don't like this post because you say it's a problem that you don't know what a candidate wants to do, but what YOU want to do in regards of the lynch is not clear from your filter imo, and instead of talking about that you talk about mayoral candidates. | ||
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On November 25 2020 23:44 Jockmcplop wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 23:40 Vivax wrote: On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote: Mornin'. So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now. Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy. I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute." Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences. I think he just wanted to make a funny entrance. Don't really see him being mafia atm. Shockeyy is always like that. If I'd kill him then not because I think he's scum but because I will never be sure about what he is, probably. Someone mentioned earlier that Jock seemed less analytical than in his usual town games and I'll agree. I also find it odd in his case that he doesn't think Trfel is town given when they have been teammates and imo Trfel doesn't post like in that game (the "Trfel help" one). That said my lynch pool atm would be something along Shockeyy, Jock, Fefe. Maybe TickTock because he kinda stopped playing after getting townread by a few. I don't think i've been mafia with trfel. Right, he was town when you said that. But in the game right afterwards, I think you got lynched D1 and were in a team with him. | ||
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On November 25 2020 23:54 Jockmcplop wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 23:46 Vivax wrote: On November 25 2020 23:44 Jockmcplop wrote: On November 25 2020 23:40 Vivax wrote: On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote: Mornin'. So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now. Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy. I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute." Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences. I think he just wanted to make a funny entrance. Don't really see him being mafia atm. Shockeyy is always like that. If I'd kill him then not because I think he's scum but because I will never be sure about what he is, probably. Someone mentioned earlier that Jock seemed less analytical than in his usual town games and I'll agree. I also find it odd in his case that he doesn't think Trfel is town given when they have been teammates and imo Trfel doesn't post like in that game (the "Trfel help" one). That said my lynch pool atm would be something along Shockeyy, Jock, Fefe. Maybe TickTock because he kinda stopped playing after getting townread by a few. I don't think i've been mafia with trfel. Right, he was town when you said that. But in the game right afterwards, I think you got lynched D1 and were in a team with him. This makes no sense: Show nested quote + I also find it odd in his case that he doesn't think Trfel is town given when they have been teammates and imo Trfel doesn't post like in that game (the "Trfel help" one). So trfel was posting differently as town in the game you're referring to here. Then you find out that i was mafia in the game after this with trfel (I forgot about that one) and suddenly revise your opinion. Which game was trfel playing in differently, the one where he was town, like you originally said, or the one after that when he was mafia? I don't get what your point is. The game he was mafia in, duh. How does that constitute revising my opinion? | ||
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On November 26 2020 00:54 Grackaroni wrote: If I were mayor I'd kill Ticktock. I think he's less comfortable playing scum and more likely to lurk through the day because of his role than FF. (I know he's playing WoW but the thread isn't overwhelmingly large) I wouldn't be upset though if any of FF/ShoCkey/TT are lynched. Of active players Trfel is most likely mafia but I wouldn't gamble on that today, though I'd definitely like to avoid him being elected. What's your take on Jock? | ||
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On November 26 2020 01:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'm guessing you're going to vote for Trfel, Vivax? Dunno, in theory we'd want someone with a good role + chance to be NKd early to be mayor. I'm not that sure that you, Slam and Trfel fit into that picture. Trfel does have good reads as of late though, and he's the read I'm most confident in. That said, I'll vote for him. But I think having to campaign is unnecessary. Everyone should just decide on their own. | ||
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On November 26 2020 02:54 Grackaroni wrote: The thread seems to be divided into two camps atm. There's a Rayn camp where Rayn townreads Jock/Slam/Vivax/Slam/Me with lot of people in that group townreading or more or less trusting each other. Then there's a Trfel camp with Trfel having Rayn as his primary suspect and Hapa/ShoCkeyy voting Trfel mainly I believe to try to get rid of me. Obviously I'd rather we consolidate on anyone outside of Trfel for Mayor and hope that Rayn's grasp on the game so far is good. (I think it is) I managed to sneak out a look from the rayn camp: + Show Spoiler + I think I'm going to stick to Trfel, but you candidates should make up your mind quickly on who you wanna kill. | ||
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Might be cause you post a yolo scum team that is really off from what's more likely, and vote a mayor who's campaigning to maybe lynch you and maybe lynch FF who's also voting for him. Are you and FF pretending to be kamikaze town ? Don't really see the motivation for either of you to do that. | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:01 Trfel wrote: because it shows that he is here, present, an cares about the game. Yeah one hour from EoD and at risk of getting lynched. | ||
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Not because he's supertown or anything but I think he's enjoyable to play with. Lynching Shockeyy would also help, because I have a hunch that I'm going to think he's mafia at some point anyway based on past experiences. And now I can't tell what he is. Why allow a pokerface in town? | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:14 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Yes, I agree that Grackaroni is enjoyable to play with, and in that sense I'd like to keep him around longer, but I do think he has an okay chance of being mafia here.On November 26 2020 04:10 Vivax wrote: Trfel I don't really want a Grack lynch. Can we arrange that or do I vote another mayor? Not because he's supertown or anything but I think he's enjoyable to play with. Lynching Shockeyy would also help, because I have a hunch that I'm going to think he's mafia at some point anyway based on past experiences. And now I can't tell what he is. Why allow a pokerface in town? I can take another look at ShoCkeyy, I do think he could be mafia, I guess I would prefer to have reasons why he is mafia before lynching him though. I don't really like lynching people if I can't say why they are mafia. I'm not certain about voting for Grackaroni, we can talk about it, though I don't mind if you want to vote for someone else for mayor either. If you and Hapahauli could agree on someone that would help too. Can I ask what you don't like about the reasons Hapahauli brought up to suspect Grackaroni? + Show Spoiler + On November 25 2020 23:40 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote: Mornin'. So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now. Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy. I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute." Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences. I think he just wanted to make a funny entrance. Don't really see him being mafia atm. Shockeyy is always like that. If I'd kill him then not because I think he's scum but because I will never be sure about what he is, probably. Someone mentioned earlier that Jock seemed less analytical than in his usual town games and I'll agree. I also find it odd in his case that he doesn't think Trfel is town given when they have been teammates and imo Trfel doesn't post like in that game (the "Trfel help" one). That said my lynch pool atm would be something along Shockeyy, Jock, Fefe. Maybe TickTock because he kinda stopped playing after getting townread by a few. "He ran for mayor and then stopped caring" is a bad metric. And feels lazy by Hapa. | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:45 Grackaroni wrote: Its not me but if both the mayors are killing me not much to do lol You are scummier than Shockeyy, FF and TT according to some. | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I don't think that was Hapahauli's reasoning? Or mine for that matter.On November 26 2020 04:45 Vivax wrote: On November 26 2020 04:14 Trfel wrote: On November 26 2020 04:10 Vivax wrote: Yes, I agree that Grackaroni is enjoyable to play with, and in that sense I'd like to keep him around longer, but I do think he has an okay chance of being mafia here.Trfel I don't really want a Grack lynch. Can we arrange that or do I vote another mayor? Not because he's supertown or anything but I think he's enjoyable to play with. Lynching Shockeyy would also help, because I have a hunch that I'm going to think he's mafia at some point anyway based on past experiences. And now I can't tell what he is. Why allow a pokerface in town? I can take another look at ShoCkeyy, I do think he could be mafia, I guess I would prefer to have reasons why he is mafia before lynching him though. I don't really like lynching people if I can't say why they are mafia. I'm not certain about voting for Grackaroni, we can talk about it, though I don't mind if you want to vote for someone else for mayor either. If you and Hapahauli could agree on someone that would help too. Can I ask what you don't like about the reasons Hapahauli brought up to suspect Grackaroni? + Show Spoiler + On November 25 2020 23:40 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote: Mornin'. So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now. Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy. I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute." Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences. I think he just wanted to make a funny entrance. Don't really see him being mafia atm. Shockeyy is always like that. If I'd kill him then not because I think he's scum but because I will never be sure about what he is, probably. Someone mentioned earlier that Jock seemed less analytical than in his usual town games and I'll agree. I also find it odd in his case that he doesn't think Trfel is town given when they have been teammates and imo Trfel doesn't post like in that game (the "Trfel help" one). That said my lynch pool atm would be something along Shockeyy, Jock, Fefe. Maybe TickTock because he kinda stopped playing after getting townread by a few. "He ran for mayor and then stopped caring" is a bad metric. And feels lazy by Hapa. Yea ok it was about him running without targets. Regardless, the point stands. I think he just posted his candidacy to post his story, not because he actually wanted to be mayor. And Hapa instantly imposes the point of view that he really wanted to run for mayor. | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:53 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + How about Grackaroni just not having reads this game? Until three hours ago, anyway. Mayoral campaign aside.On November 26 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote: On November 26 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote: On November 26 2020 04:45 Vivax wrote: I don't think that was Hapahauli's reasoning? Or mine for that matter.On November 26 2020 04:14 Trfel wrote: On November 26 2020 04:10 Vivax wrote: Yes, I agree that Grackaroni is enjoyable to play with, and in that sense I'd like to keep him around longer, but I do think he has an okay chance of being mafia here.Trfel I don't really want a Grack lynch. Can we arrange that or do I vote another mayor? Not because he's supertown or anything but I think he's enjoyable to play with. Lynching Shockeyy would also help, because I have a hunch that I'm going to think he's mafia at some point anyway based on past experiences. And now I can't tell what he is. Why allow a pokerface in town? I can take another look at ShoCkeyy, I do think he could be mafia, I guess I would prefer to have reasons why he is mafia before lynching him though. I don't really like lynching people if I can't say why they are mafia. I'm not certain about voting for Grackaroni, we can talk about it, though I don't mind if you want to vote for someone else for mayor either. If you and Hapahauli could agree on someone that would help too. Can I ask what you don't like about the reasons Hapahauli brought up to suspect Grackaroni? + Show Spoiler + On November 25 2020 23:40 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote: Mornin'. So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now. Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy. I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute." Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences. I think he just wanted to make a funny entrance. Don't really see him being mafia atm. Shockeyy is always like that. If I'd kill him then not because I think he's scum but because I will never be sure about what he is, probably. Someone mentioned earlier that Jock seemed less analytical than in his usual town games and I'll agree. I also find it odd in his case that he doesn't think Trfel is town given when they have been teammates and imo Trfel doesn't post like in that game (the "Trfel help" one). That said my lynch pool atm would be something along Shockeyy, Jock, Fefe. Maybe TickTock because he kinda stopped playing after getting townread by a few. "He ran for mayor and then stopped caring" is a bad metric. And feels lazy by Hapa. Yea ok it was about him running without targets. Regardless, the point stands. I think he just posted his candidacy to post his story, not because he actually wanted to be mayor. And Hapa instantly imposes the point of view that he really wanted to run for mayor. He's been here and he hasn't been really contributing much, especially before three hours ago. Oh but Shockeyy and TT did? TT's comeback content can best be described as rushed. | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:01 Trfel wrote: I think (other than Jockmcplop, since no one seems to agree with me on that) my preferred lynch is probably Fecalfeast. I like Tictock's push for raynpelikoneet to be mayor (I mean, I don't like it but it seems slightly town-motivated) because it shows that he is here, present, an cares about the game. He didn't really need to do anything, but he's making reads and is invested in them. Fecalfeast's play has been obviously very disconnected, he doesn't even seem to care that there is a decent chance he could be lynched. To be honest I am not sure that he is mafia, but I have no misgivings about lynching him and I'm not sure that he will get easier to read over time. I know that he likes to hide in the background as mafia, and it feels like he is doing that this game. And then there's Grackaroni. I don't like how he came up with so many reads so suddenly after being cautious with his reads earlier. Maybe he is mafia here after all. Though it's more like he's talking about the speed at which he came up with them. Either way, if rayn mayor. Lynch TT, Jock, or Shockeyy pleeaaaaaase? In no particular order but what you might agree with. I think Hapa might be scum but no way he gets lynched D1. | ||
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On November 26 2020 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax why might Hapa be mafia? With the flip I might have to reconsider, but I didn't buy the argument that Grack was scum for things around his mayoral campaign. To me it seemed like an obvious shitpost. IE Hapa didn't respect the context which happens often to mafia when they look for reasons to point at someone. | ||
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On November 27 2020 07:00 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2020 12:53 Trfel wrote: I was making another list post and then I realized it was useless so I deleted it. Forgot that my thoughts on the Vivax case were in there, so I never actually posted them. Sorry. I don't really see Vivax's pursuit of multiple lynch targets as particularly compelling, I suppose. I agree with you that it's improper gameplay for town, but at the same time I could see it coming from town. I'm interested to see what Vivax has to say about it though, I'll let him speak for himself. Maybe I'm being dumb here. ... The point is that in addition to having this attitude of "lets lynch any one of these people", he also takes opposition to town's attempt to consolidate on the Grack lynch. It is the combination of these two things that is anti-town, because he shits on Town's one effort to consolidate while providing no alternative. It's purely criticism as opposed to anything constructive. Show nested quote + As for the incongruencies around Grackaroni, you're saying that Vivax said both: (1) Grackaroni isn't supertown or anything (2) Didn't buy the arguments for Grackaroni being mafia To me, Vivax having effectively a null read of Grackaroni satisfies both of these conditions. He wouldn't want to keep him alive because he's towny, but he still wouldn't want to lynch him because he's not scummy. I'll keep re-evaluating though. ON TOP OF THAT, there is the Grack stuff. I did a poor job of explaining the incongruency. I was more referring to how Vivax mentions that he wants Grack alive because he enjoys playing with him, and then starts to be very against his lynch despite him being a null read. I can get how he'd do so if he thought Grack was town. He does not. I can get how he'd do so if he thought Grack had a higher chance of flipping town than other players... yet some of the other lurkers (i.e. Shockey) were null "cant read this player" reads. ---- So all in all, we are left with this story that an experienced forum mafia player is ok with lynching into a pool of lurkers, but not his null read Grack, and he's not going to try at all to guide town into what he wants beyond his pool of lurkers. I don't buy it. IIRC I almost always prioritize lurkers on D1 and not active players who are NKable as town. You are also twisting very hard trying to make your point stick. Either that or you aren't able to understand why I didn't want to kill a null read whose posts I found funny. You say I'm not doing enough at lynch, while I have two posts asking both the mayoral candidates if they would prioritize my preferences. Saying on one hand that I was pushing too many targets at once, then on the other that I wasn't trying to guide the lynch. No I didn't have a superscum read in particular and was content with having Shockeyy, TT and Jock in the lynch pool. Because as an experienced forum mafia player I know better than to try too hard on D1, then I end up in a stupid read anyway because of confirmation bias or it's a good read and can't lynch them for lack of info, cooperation etc. So I go for more policy-like lynches. Mostly. If there isn't someone who in my opinion bled red. he also takes opposition to town's attempt to consolidate on the Grack lynch. First of all, we were consolidating on a mayor. Since I asked rayn to lynch my preferences instead, I wasn't trying to stop him from getting elected, which would be the way to stop Grack from being lynched. Overall I think you call me mafia for things that could probably be said in a much simpler way. * Didn't do enough. * Lynch pool too big. * Wanted to lynch lurkers. * Didn't want to lynch a null read. And usually, dressing up things convolutedly is what mafia likes to do to beef up posts in active towns. But you apparently are blue and missed info from the OP when you're Hapa. It means in theory that now you have to be roleblocked every night if it was a mafia block. | ||
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On November 26 2020 01:50 Jockmcplop wrote: slam: Will do what town decides grack: TT TT: FeFe Rayn: FF or TT Fefe: TT maybe Shockeyy Trfel: me, shockeyy, FF, TT, Grack We need to get this down to 2 candidates who are trusted by town. Personally I would have one of grack/rayn as mayor and maybe slam as pardoner. I will probably revote grack just because I think TT has been super lazy just picking something Fefe said on the first page and leaving that as his scumread for the whole time. Show nested quote + On November 26 2020 01:38 Grackaroni wrote: On November 26 2020 01:24 Vivax wrote: On November 26 2020 00:54 Grackaroni wrote: If I were mayor I'd kill Ticktock. I think he's less comfortable playing scum and more likely to lurk through the day because of his role than FF. (I know he's playing WoW but the thread isn't overwhelmingly large) I wouldn't be upset though if any of FF/ShoCkey/TT are lynched. Of active players Trfel is most likely mafia but I wouldn't gamble on that today, though I'd definitely like to avoid him being elected. What's your take on Jock? His post about Trfel was a good one and I think he has the right view on Rayn. I'm not sure what his reasoning was for changing his mind on Slam. Although I didn't think slam's campaign naturally made him town, i never scumread him and still don't. This for example is a mafia post. Tries to look helpful doing a mayor votecount, and doesn't take into consideration what he previously said he thought about Grack. On November 25 2020 23:41 Jockmcplop wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote: Mornin'. So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now. Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy. I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute." Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences. I disagree that townreads aren't important right now. They pretty much narrow down the pool of who can be mayor. Clearly shockeyy has no people townreading him so he won't be mayor. Out of the people claiming they want to be mayor, only slam and ticktock have said what they will do if elected. That's a problem. Out of those two I would probably prefer slam because at least he's been here enough that i'm confident he knows exactly what is happening. I'm unvoting grack because I don't feel like he has continued to engage with the mayor thing at all really like he never really wanted to be mayor in the first place. Trfel seems like an odd choice to me. He hasn't said he wanted to be mayor and has given no indication of what he would do if he was mayor. I can't vote for him anyway. Regardless of who Grack wanted to lynch. Jock previously said that he wouldn't vote for him because of the low motivation to be mayor, and I don't think that changed at all approaching the lynch. | ||
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On November 26 2020 05:43 ShoCkeyy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2020 04:59 Vivax wrote: Grack is right Trfel posted this earlier. On November 26 2020 04:01 Trfel wrote: I think (other than Jockmcplop, since no one seems to agree with me on that) my preferred lynch is probably Fecalfeast. I like Tictock's push for raynpelikoneet to be mayor (I mean, I don't like it but it seems slightly town-motivated) because it shows that he is here, present, an cares about the game. He didn't really need to do anything, but he's making reads and is invested in them. Fecalfeast's play has been obviously very disconnected, he doesn't even seem to care that there is a decent chance he could be lynched. To be honest I am not sure that he is mafia, but I have no misgivings about lynching him and I'm not sure that he will get easier to read over time. I know that he likes to hide in the background as mafia, and it feels like he is doing that this game. And then there's Grackaroni. I don't like how he came up with so many reads so suddenly after being cautious with his reads earlier. Maybe he is mafia here after all. Though it's more like he's talking about the speed at which he came up with them. Either way, if rayn mayor. Lynch TT, Jock, or Shockeyy pleeaaaaaase? In no particular order but what you might agree with. I think Hapa might be scum but no way he gets lynched D1. Why not FF? Because of his biggish post when EoD approached. Plus keeping up the general nonchalantness when he was under lynch threat, which is his town tone usually. Now that it's answered, your turn. On November 27 2020 10:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well people seem to be agreeing that Vivax needs to go, and he also hasn’t even answered my question on FF, so I’d say vivax Who are people and are they more than those who wanna lynch Jock? You seem very happy to latch yourself onto Hapa's case here, and then hide behind the reasoning that a majority (is it?) agrees to lynch me. Call both scum equally but prefer one especially eh? | ||
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On November 28 2020 17:35 ShoCkeyy wrote: I mean if I tinfoil here, if Trfel is mafia, while being pardoner can basically stop his lynch anyways. I don’t really see a problem point in discussing Trfel if that’s the case. And if it turns out he's mafia you just never attempt to lynch him? What would you suggest to solve that with. I still think he's town fwiw. My team would be Hapa + Jock atm. I just don't see how Hapa who is super diligent 'mistakenly' claims a roleblock and blurts out he's blue, and neither do I see how he wouldn't think Jock is mafia. Plus he manufactures very convoluted reasoning in cases against me that could be said in a much simpler way. That's because he's prioritizing the convincing over the validity of his case. On November 28 2020 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah no, not a valid point. Between this Grack has been advocating lynching TT. Oh yeah that's true. Point taken. When considering the mayor I also took into consideration the read I had on them and I'm not sure if Jock did that. He based it all on who they claimed as their target, and revisiting his filter I don't find strong evidence he had a TR on Grack aside from a +town points comment at some point. So I find it odd he was happy with mayor rayn knowing he was going to kill Grack. | ||
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Loosely posting with low effort is within his town scope, but that post gives him an impression like he's consciously doing it. | ||
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On November 28 2020 07:40 Trfel wrote: I dunno what to think about Vivax. I am still not completely sold on Hapahauli's reasons for Vivax being mafia, and I think Vivax's response to those reasons was actually decent. But there were some other things I didn't like: Vivax seemed to be accusing Hapahauli the whole time and then ended with "but you're blue" which seems odd to me? But not out of the realm of possibility. And secondly, Vivax didn't seem to do much at all besides defend himself, which I found quite underwhelming. I'll take another look at Vivax's filter. And I dunno what you are reading because I pointed out the Jock thing at the same time. This post is a lot of waffle and tbh I still have to look at what rayn has been saying about you. I don't think I ever called your alignment wrong though. | ||
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As for FF it's that he's one of those people. Overall posting seems townie. I still think Hapa started off the day just like a mafia softing blue would. He goes whoops on his RB claim and doesn't have to reveal the role. But that obviously doesn't make him scum by itself. It just seems unusually sloppy for him. What imo makes him possible scum is (aside from various misreps, thinking of him calling my posting useless) his preference for active players in the lynches. And right now he should be thinking I'm bussing Jock and maybe deliver a scenario where that's possible. He seems otherwise content to let FF and Shockeyy remain in the null area, while he should be having a better read on rayn by now. Really good mafia pushes vocal players first and finishes the job in a finale of coinflips. Granted, I can't find anything in his filter that makes me go HA. It's just that I get a feeling of dishonesty from his preferences and the way he goes about me. | ||
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I'm a bit worried that he's the only viable wagon. But I'll vote for him in the meantime. Anyone else around? On November 25 2020 00:47 Jockmcplop wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 00:42 Hapahauli wrote: @ Jock I have noticed that you have been critical of Slam's "joke" candidacy. Why then are you voting for Grack's campaign? Where are you getting the 'joke' candidacy thing from? I'm more critical of people assuming that slam's campaign makes him town, and i'm critical of slam putting that idea forward too. I have never said anything about slam's campaign being a joke or that i think about it in that way. I don't think he's joking at all. I'm voting for grack because he was thinking along similar lines to me as regards to slam's campaign not making him town, and bought it up in the thread before I did, so I gave him town points. I figure I'm better off voting for someone other than myself as mayor because i'm more likely to be able to pick out a town and help them be mayor than i am to do anything useful if i was mayor. At the moment grack has town points so he has my vote. This post is also giving me pause. Because on the followup Hapa avoids to answer Jocks question where he got the joke candidacy from. I don't know if it has been adressed afterwards though. | ||
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I really hope rayn isn't mafia this game. Because that'd give him the perfect excuse to be alive later on. Haven't had the courage to jump down that rabbit hole yet. In theory if mafia has a roleblocker Hapa should get blocked again? I have a hunch I'm gonna get killed, anyways. | ||
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On November 29 2020 05:22 Trfel wrote: Vivax, you want to talk about anything? I'm around, just feeling very lost after the Jockmcplop flip. Slowly rereading all filters. I'll await a few comments on the flip and then see what happens at night. Either way my motivation to do stuff should be low not knowing if I'm around tomorrow and with less info than post-night. At most it's odd how Hapa left me off the hook so easily there. Felt like I was his biggest committment in the game. | ||
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On November 29 2020 05:32 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + This post seems quite suspect to me.On November 25 2020 08:57 Fecalfeast wrote: On November 25 2020 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: On November 25 2020 08:41 Fecalfeast wrote: Hi I'm working weird hours I'm here now what's up i have 30 mins max before bed time. where is your head at? Kill Tictock if I got mayor most likely, shockeyy maybe instead Slam still town, grack still scumlean for trying hard with his campaign with honestly the same logic as shockeyy ironically You seem towny enough too Fecalfeast says that Grackaroni is a scumlean for trying hard with his campaign, and that that's the same reason he's suspicious of ShoCkeyy too. However, ShoCkeyy didn't try hard with his campaign, by this time he had already stopped campaigning. And his campaign lasted a whole three posts. However, this isn't that helpful as all it proves is that Fecalfeast didn't read carefully, but we already knew that. The interesting part for me is that Fecalfeast is townreading Alakaslam because he's having fun. But why isn't he scumreading him for trying hard with his mayoral campaign? Shouldn't that affect his read on Alakaslam the exact same way it did for Grackaroni and ShoCkeyy? Mostly I don't know why he thinks Grack was trying too hard. But I don't know why you think that's the same reason he scumread Shockeyy for. | ||
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On November 29 2020 06:24 Trfel wrote: And Vivax, I don't believe you ever responded to my comments yesterday? Specifically, when did you actually catch up with the thread and start to have solid reads? You had multiple posts going on. Which ones in particular do you mean and I don't get what you mean with the last sentence? My reads are far from solid after the Jock flip. I have little conviction on any read besides on you. I think I'd be ok with Fefe as town as well purely tone wise without the semi-martyr-y posts which read too smug for my taste. | ||
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Hapa makes most sense as one of the mafia given that he 'accidentally' missed the mechanic where only roles get notified, when it was in truth convenient to set up a later claim. As for the Shockeyy kill, I don't read it as a blue snipe but rather as mafia hiding among active players. Imo that implies either one or both of rayn and Hapa. What's the alternative? That they thought he was BG and want to kill rayn at some point? Seems unlikely. On November 30 2020 09:10 Hapahauli wrote: I think it was very easily deduced from my posting about what blue role I was. As for why I wasn't killed, two plausible reasons: 1) I basically afk'd for 3 days. 2) Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)? It wasn't as easy to deduce as you claim. Me nor anyone else I think deduced you were mad hatter. For mafia maybe, but not certainly. If they did, you should have been roleblocked by not-Trfel (which we can't verify for N1 I think). On November 30 2020 09:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: hapa said he targeted vivax N1 and then said why would mafia kill me if i am gonna take mafia with me, he was roleblocked as per his words N1 so there is no vivax anyways. This too. For the second mafia that leaves one of rayn or TT. If rayn is mafia here he's playing the bus game, trying his hardest to kill Hapa, being able to survive the next night given that his bodyguard he's still alive, hence having the perfect excuse to be alive for another cycle, and then push for TT or me in this scenario. I can't tell from his posts alone, especially because he's advocating the logical course to go about today. But they are very much within the scope of what he is capable of as mafia. If TT is mafia on the other hand, he's still leaving himself wiggle room to switch between me or Hapa by just pushing both at once with the story of how we bussed each other. Of the two options, at the moment I think the rayn + Hapa world is more likely purely based on TT delivering analysis on me and Hapa, and because I believe that at this point, there is a greater incentive for mafia to simply bus. On a Hapa mafia flip, rayn would probably get an edge against TT tomorrow. That said, with Trfel being JK. There's a something something chance that a mislynch doesn't end the game, I think? So no-lynching doesn't seem like a good idea. Unless the scum roleblocker overrides his jailing? The BG role won't be able to stop a jail either. Rayn + TT would also be possible but it's not something I'm willing to entertain atm. I just don't believe someone like Hapa mistakenly claimed the RB, and then makes it through the night unscatched and unroleblocked while Shockeyy dies. Then again it's a strange pick over TT or Fefe. | ||
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As for your Jock scumread, it seemed nonexistent at the time considering he wasn't posting at all but you kept posting with the goal of lynching me. It just doesn't seem quite honest to have most agreeing on someone being mafia who you also claim to be scumreading and then proceed to push the other read instead. If Jock would have been mafia with you, that'd be textbook scumplay. The points on TT regarding his read on me have some merit but nothing that can't be explained by indecisiveness. | ||
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While on later days when there's generally more info around, not only do you sort of insist I should be further pursuing that strategy (saying that it was scummy I dropped Shockeyy in favour of Jock, who btw aside from things I pointed out that made me think he was scum, could be considered a lurker anyway before we knew he went completely afk), but in the rushed post afterwards, post-flip I think, you thought my reasoning made sense. Reads more like capitulation to me after you failed to get me lynched instead. | ||
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On December 01 2020 02:06 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2020 01:05 Vivax wrote: ... The points on TT regarding his read on me have some merit but nothing that can't be explained by indecisiveness. Going to add that this is complete horseshit. Calling TT's read "progression" (if you can even call it that) is not indecisiveness. The whole damn point is that TT is decisive despite having nothing to back it up. Mafia hedging/softpushing/etc/yadda yadda. In theory he shouldn't have a particular preference for either of us when it's teams he's talking about. And whether you want to talk to me or an invisible audience is irrelevant, but it seems we're the only ones in the thread atm and the only thing that changes is the pronoun used. | ||
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On December 01 2020 02:22 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2020 02:13 Vivax wrote: On December 01 2020 02:06 Hapahauli wrote: On December 01 2020 01:05 Vivax wrote: ... The points on TT regarding his read on me have some merit but nothing that can't be explained by indecisiveness. Going to add that this is complete horseshit. Calling TT's read "progression" (if you can even call it that) is not indecisiveness. The whole damn point is that TT is decisive despite having nothing to back it up. Mafia hedging/softpushing/etc/yadda yadda. In theory he shouldn't have a particular preference for either of us when it's teams he's talking about. And whether you want to talk to me or an invisible audience is irrelevant, but it seems we're the only ones in the thread atm and the only thing that changes is the pronoun used. Who is my most likely scumbuddy? Show nested quote + Of the two options, at the moment I think the rayn + Hapa world is more likely purely based on TT delivering analysis on me and Hapa, and because I believe that at this point, there is a greater incentive for mafia to simply bus. On a Hapa mafia flip, rayn would probably get an edge against TT tomorrow. This is not a sufficient answer at this point in the game. It is convenient and scummy to proffer one serious scumread and fail to do any significant analysis on who the teammate of that player is. All of this analysis is surface level and incredibly lazy. If I am mafia, both Rayn and TT are bussing the shit out of me. In my opinion TT doesn't look like he made up his mind, while rayn is very aggressively pushing you. They're not even close in how they are handling their scumreads. That said, I think rayn is more likely mafia out of him and TT. You also keep insisting that bussing isn't worth it, which I disagree with. Bussing would probably be very worth it today and put Trfel in a difficult situation where in my scenario he's jailing TT. Not to mention that Trfel could still pull off a hero jail even if we mislynch. And the Shockeyy kill also tells me that mafia is hoping to mislynch me while it's probably you and rayn. Obviously rayn can't just press for my lynch with a straight face, so he's going for the bus play instead. It just wouldn't look good for you if I got killed, especially after claiming you had a role. I'm not really willing to entertain a TT + rayn world and think the confidence with which you have been pushing me since D1 speaks more for a strategic read than an honest scumread. While my activity has admittedly been at times lackluster, that doesn't remove the impression that your read on me has been very static. | ||
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On December 01 2020 14:48 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2020 14:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its okay, lets hear why i am mafia with Vivax. I am not getting into that, just saying Vivax should be the lynch here. On December 01 2020 19:44 Tictock wrote: How in the hell do you think I am mafia with Hapa after today? Rayn/Hapa makes no sense either with Rayn literally not wanting to lynch anyone by Hapa all day. Bit of a crappy question (also, in general) after first waffling on me + Hapa apparently delivering more points on Hapa, then deciding for me and wondering what could possibly make you mafia with Hapa. I just skimmed over rayns posts and given the mod notice I'm not sure if I'll read them too carefully. I'm guessing Hapa bought himself lenience by spamming? | ||
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Anyone got an idea why TT spammed votes? Was he so bored he wanted to mess with a votecount bot? | ||
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On December 01 2020 10:47 Fecalfeast wrote: basically if I believe hapa is town which honestly I do from all this posting and I don't believe trfel is fake JK then it has to be vivax tt and that's kinda nice so I could switch to vivax If you bother to compare his earlier days posting (sizeable and sparse) with today's posting (fast reactive) do you not reach the conclusion that he changed his posting style to survive? It just seems logical to me that mafia would squeeze through a last effort here. And I don't think that Hapa switching from aforementioned posting style to one-liner spam should make him town. He fell out of character, so to say. | ||
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If rayn is indeed mafia with Hapa here then kudos to all the fake rage with mod intervention. But I don't see a reason for town-Hapa to even be mad just cause rayn isn't townreading him, esp. when it looks like the wagon is on me now, so that just might be staged. I'll drop that line of reasoning for the moment because it's mostly for posterity in case they pulled off a VE-Toad style bus. On December 01 2020 07:22 Hapahauli wrote: This is also why Vivax is mafia, because he somehow believes that bussing is a "good thing" for mafia here. This is also why TicTock is mafia, because he somehow believes that it is optimal play for a Hapa/Vivax mafia team to willingly walk into a murderous situation for "our team" by bussing the shit out of each other from early N1. This is nonsense because you aren't in a position to retract your scumread on me easily. Also I take it you have no preference for either TT or me? That matters for the next post. On December 01 2020 08:35 Hapahauli wrote: Let's make a deal TT. I think Vivax is mafia. You think Vivax is mafia. Let's kill Vivax. After that, since we both think that Trfel is the JK, he can simply block me tomorrow and "confirm me as mafia". Sounds good? Game solved and over from your perspective. No need to argue or do anything. This post is not something a townie would write. In theory, at lylo you'd want to aim for the tough call in your position and lynch the scumread you're less certain about, and then have the lock-in mafia read jailed. But given that it's mylo, mafia will simply not shoot. And your argumentation is that the no-shot would clear you after my hypothetical red flip. In conclusio, today you are mostly flailing and appealing to emotion and not even thinking things through properly. It might work on the likes of FF and Trfel though. | ||
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On December 01 2020 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax why am i mafia with Hapa? I know you said some bussing shit but what in my play makes me mafia? I think your tunnel on him earlier in the day looked too one-sided when we have to think in pairs. So the only explanation left is that you're trying to milk it. If my theory is correct, then TT is town and reacted exactly like he should to that. | ||
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On December 02 2020 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: "only explanation left is that you're trying to milk it. If my theory is correct, then TT is town" ???? If you and Hapa are mafia then TT is town and giving you the cred you would have tried to obtain, yes. That is to say, his reaction seems like the reaction I'd expect from a gullible townie. | ||
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On December 02 2020 01:49 Hapahauli wrote: I need a sarcasm font. No you need a muzzle. You and rayn are blatantly buring my posts in nonsense. | ||
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On December 02 2020 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: like you are sure i am mafia with hapa, but only IF your theory is correct then TT is town. I don't have a crystal orb and can only think in possibilities. What's your point? That I should deal in absolutes and bet my house on you and Hapa being mafia? I'm still open to the possibility that TT is mafia, it's just not the more likely scenario in my opinion. | ||
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On December 02 2020 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2020 01:55 Vivax wrote: On December 02 2020 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: like you are sure i am mafia with hapa, but only IF your theory is correct then TT is town. I don't have a crystal orb and can only think in possibilities. What's your point? That I should deal in absolutes and bet my house on you and Hapa being mafia? I'm still open to the possibility that TT is mafia, it's just not the more likely scenario in my opinion. isnt that what you just said? Show nested quote + On December 02 2020 01:46 Vivax wrote: On December 01 2020 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax why am i mafia with Hapa? I know you said some bussing shit but what in my play makes me mafia? I think your tunnel on him earlier in the day looked too one-sided when we have to think in pairs. So the only explanation left is that you're trying to milk it. If my theory is correct, then TT is town and reacted exactly like he should to that. Semantics. Been there done that, I'll wait for Trfel and Fefe, enjoy your shitposting in the meantime, both of you. | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:01 Trfel wrote: You guys are posting so quickly I admit I had to skim the last 2 pages or I would never have caught up. Sorry for being away for so long, sleepy Trfel was sleepy. Show nested quote + Why can't you be mafia with Hapahauli? And, come to think of it, you really think that Hapahauli and Vivax are mafia together, with how they've pushed each other? But I suppose raynpelikoneet disagrees. And his reasoning makes sense. But I'd like to hear yours?On December 01 2020 19:44 Tictock wrote: How in the hell do you think I am mafia with Hapa after today? Rayn/Hapa makes no sense either with Rayn literally not wanting to lynch anyone by Hapa all day. Show nested quote + Yeah, I know On December 01 2020 21:03 Hapahauli wrote: Trfel, you need to stop being convinced by the last person you speak to. Show nested quote + What? Not wanting to get lynched in MYLO makes someone mafia?On December 02 2020 00:57 Vivax wrote: On December 01 2020 10:47 Fecalfeast wrote: basically if I believe hapa is town which honestly I do from all this posting and I don't believe trfel is fake JK then it has to be vivax tt and that's kinda nice so I could switch to vivax If you bother to compare his earlier days posting (sizeable and sparse) with today's posting (fast reactive) do you not reach the conclusion that he changed his posting style to survive? It just seems logical to me that mafia would squeeze through a last effort here. And I don't think that Hapa switching from aforementioned posting style to one-liner spam should make him town. He fell out of character, so to say. I've got to take another look at the P61 thing and Hapahauli's explanation. Who doesn't want to not get lynched at MYLO? That doesn't mean that as town you start spamming after pretending to favour a more condensed style. What Hapa and rayn are doing is clearly disruptive. I don't see the need to start swearing and spamming, burying more informative posts in the process, and with only two mafia in the thread most likely. The outcome is still undecided and if you and FF (and TT maybe) won't change your mind then fine. I just wish you luck picking the target at night because you will decide the game. | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:11 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Again, I've never seen Hapahauli play as scum (okay that's kind of a lie, I did try and read one of his games last night, good old 7 years old meta...) but I'd say this is definitely within raynpelikoneet's town range, no? Even if it isn't the most "productive" thing to be doing.On December 02 2020 03:07 Vivax wrote: On December 02 2020 03:01 Trfel wrote: You guys are posting so quickly I admit I had to skim the last 2 pages or I would never have caught up. Sorry for being away for so long, sleepy Trfel was sleepy. On December 01 2020 19:44 Tictock wrote: Why can't you be mafia with Hapahauli? And, come to think of it, you really think that Hapahauli and Vivax are mafia together, with how they've pushed each other? But I suppose raynpelikoneet disagrees. And his reasoning makes sense. But I'd like to hear yours?How in the hell do you think I am mafia with Hapa after today? Rayn/Hapa makes no sense either with Rayn literally not wanting to lynch anyone by Hapa all day. On December 01 2020 21:03 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah, I know Trfel, you need to stop being convinced by the last person you speak to. On December 02 2020 00:57 Vivax wrote: What? Not wanting to get lynched in MYLO makes someone mafia?On December 01 2020 10:47 Fecalfeast wrote: basically if I believe hapa is town which honestly I do from all this posting and I don't believe trfel is fake JK then it has to be vivax tt and that's kinda nice so I could switch to vivax If you bother to compare his earlier days posting (sizeable and sparse) with today's posting (fast reactive) do you not reach the conclusion that he changed his posting style to survive? It just seems logical to me that mafia would squeeze through a last effort here. And I don't think that Hapa switching from aforementioned posting style to one-liner spam should make him town. He fell out of character, so to say. I've got to take another look at the P61 thing and Hapahauli's explanation. Who doesn't want to not get lynched at MYLO? That doesn't mean that as town you start spamming after pretending to favour a more condensed style. What Hapa and rayn are doing is clearly disruptive. I don't see the need to start swearing and spamming, burying more informative posts in the process, and with only two mafia in the thread most likely. The outcome is still undecided and if you and FF (and TT maybe) won't change your mind then fine. I just wish you luck picking the target at night because you will decide the game. If you think that and I think you were one of those advocating that mafia wouldn't be likely to bus here, why am I TTs preferred lynch? You are in a TT + Vivax world? Why isn't he voting Hapa? | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:19 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2020 03:17 Vivax wrote: On December 02 2020 03:11 Trfel wrote: On December 02 2020 03:07 Vivax wrote: Again, I've never seen Hapahauli play as scum (okay that's kind of a lie, I did try and read one of his games last night, good old 7 years old meta...) but I'd say this is definitely within raynpelikoneet's town range, no? Even if it isn't the most "productive" thing to be doing.On December 02 2020 03:01 Trfel wrote: You guys are posting so quickly I admit I had to skim the last 2 pages or I would never have caught up. Sorry for being away for so long, sleepy Trfel was sleepy. On December 01 2020 19:44 Tictock wrote: Why can't you be mafia with Hapahauli? And, come to think of it, you really think that Hapahauli and Vivax are mafia together, with how they've pushed each other? But I suppose raynpelikoneet disagrees. And his reasoning makes sense. But I'd like to hear yours?How in the hell do you think I am mafia with Hapa after today? Rayn/Hapa makes no sense either with Rayn literally not wanting to lynch anyone by Hapa all day. On December 01 2020 21:03 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah, I know Trfel, you need to stop being convinced by the last person you speak to. On December 02 2020 00:57 Vivax wrote: What? Not wanting to get lynched in MYLO makes someone mafia?On December 01 2020 10:47 Fecalfeast wrote: basically if I believe hapa is town which honestly I do from all this posting and I don't believe trfel is fake JK then it has to be vivax tt and that's kinda nice so I could switch to vivax If you bother to compare his earlier days posting (sizeable and sparse) with today's posting (fast reactive) do you not reach the conclusion that he changed his posting style to survive? It just seems logical to me that mafia would squeeze through a last effort here. And I don't think that Hapa switching from aforementioned posting style to one-liner spam should make him town. He fell out of character, so to say. I've got to take another look at the P61 thing and Hapahauli's explanation. Who doesn't want to not get lynched at MYLO? That doesn't mean that as town you start spamming after pretending to favour a more condensed style. What Hapa and rayn are doing is clearly disruptive. I don't see the need to start swearing and spamming, burying more informative posts in the process, and with only two mafia in the thread most likely. The outcome is still undecided and if you and FF (and TT maybe) won't change your mind then fine. I just wish you luck picking the target at night because you will decide the game. If you think that and I think you were one of those advocating that mafia wouldn't be likely to bus here, why am I TTs preferred lynch? You are in a TT + Vivax world? Why isn't he voting Hapa? Why are you encouraging Trfel to be suspicious of TT when your mafia team is Hapa/Rayn? OhrightwellVivaxismafiathings. I'm doing the opposite. Read more carefully while spamming scummy drivel. | ||
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1. He's on me and not budging because for someone unknown reason I'm the play here. 2. At some point he sees rayn + Vivax making sense when Hapa reads to me like his main scumread. In theory he'd be open to lynch rayn? Then why say it in a roundabout manner. The thing is, why should scum Hapa vote for him here? Why should scum rayn vote for him here? If TT is mafia, it can be only with me. But I'm not, ergo TT can't be mafia. I have a hunch that lynching TT will mean game over, unless someone is willing to put up with my hipster Hapa + Rayn suggestion. + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2020 19:52 Tictock wrote: Ok, so I was kinda waiting for Vivax to post, but I am leaning far back into Hapa/Vivax being mafia here. I think they bussed each other yesturday and I think I can back this up. I'll go through what I see in their filters but a large part of it is that they both call each other mafia with some conviction but back off those reads in soft ways. A big part of this stems from Hapa not taking a stance on who he thinks is mafia today. Despite several times saying he thinks Vivax is scum, and a big chunk of his arguments as to why Mafia would not kill him RELIES on Vivax being mafia. Hapa did post some reads after his claim, which he even reaffirms later to rayn. In both he says he is down to Rayn/Vivax/Myself but states Vivax is his most confident scum read. Bit of a tangent, but still in order of Hapa's filter, Hapa tells us he did not run for mayor because he wanted to use his role, but he also points out that he made it clear the only role he would not run for mayor with is Hatter. Mind you he feels he outed his role so clearly that Mafia should know that's his role. Anyone else see the irony in this? + Show Spoiler [quotes] + On November 30 2020 08:48 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2020 06:17 Hapahauli wrote: On November 27 2020 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On November 27 2020 06:11 Hapahauli wrote: On November 27 2020 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am thinking if i can actually solve the game right now. Mechanically speaking, a VT. It would mean that in the remainder of the town, there would be 1-2 blue claims (given the 2 scum + evil mastermind, there is likely another town blue floating around to give the town a chance), in addition to 1 confirmed bodyguard claim. Pretty hard for scum to overcome. what? If I was mayor (in your position), I'd want to be VT, because it would be slightly easier for me to "solve" the game from my perspective in a mass claim situation. If you are referring to whether or not a mayor should be VT or Blue in general, it just depends on the blue role we are talking about. Mayor CPR doc is obviously insane. Mayor JK is pretty insane. Mayor [investigative role] is pretty good, though that is unlikely given Slam's flip. On November 30 2020 08:50 Hapahauli wrote: In that whole post, I'm saying that running for mayor is good with CPR Doc, JK, and Investigative role. So if I'm not running for mayor, that leaves two things: Mad Hatter or Vigi. On November 30 2020 08:53 Hapahauli wrote: And running for mayor is pretty insane with vigi, since I could shoot someone and instantly confirm the mayor role as town. Mad Hatter is the only damn role in the game that I wouldn't run for mayor, because I basically can't use the fucking role if I'm mayor. All this brings me to this Show nested quote + On November 30 2020 09:10 Hapahauli wrote: I think it was very easily deduced from my posting about what blue role I was. As for why I wasn't killed, two plausible reasons: 1) I basically afk'd for 3 days. 2) Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)? Now I do actually find the notion that if mafia know Hapa was Jailed they might not shoot him fearing another jail. However, this was Hapa's first thoughts as to why he would be killed and I think it's really important because of his 2nd point. Again we get the sense that from Hapa's pov Vivax HAS to be mafia. Whats even more interesting? Show nested quote + On November 29 2020 04:08 Hapahauli wrote: Brief skim. Vivax's attitudes towards wanting to get lurkers before active players generally makes sense. I think his recent posting is much better. I've discussed some of my thoughts on Jocks filter previously. He hasn't posted, and that makes him as good of a lynch as any... even if the lack of resistance bothers me. Frankly, I'm pretty lost this game. I should have more time to play after the holiday weekend ends if I am alive. Hopefully getting rid of an inactive player will help thin the weeds or flip a red. This was Hapa's last post before he claimed Hatter. Put yourself in mafia's shoes, does this make you feel certain that a clearly HatterHapa is bombing Vivax so you shouldn't kill him? No more quotes as this post is big enough but when I asked Hapa what his reads were at the end of the lengthy discussion he claims he has no strong reads and seems to keep wanting to focus on Rayn. Now to me it seems like Hapa clearly thinks Vivax is scum, but he has yet to actually push Vivax or put down a vote on him. Which matches a lot with the way that he backed off his Vivax read (even mildly calling him town) when voting Jock don't you think? This all reads to me like Hapa KNOWS Vivax is mafia, but is reluctant to actually lynch him today if he doesn't have to. On December 01 2020 07:24 Tictock wrote: I need to round our Hapa's post on me, looks like he missed a few of my posts. I made the yolo team here in the game. I think it is relevant to read the next few posts after mine as I interacted with Vivax and explained where that team came from. Hapa choose not to include that post. This post was in response to Hapa's case on Vivax Show nested quote + On November 27 2020 14:20 Tictock wrote: On November 27 2020 07:00 Hapahauli wrote: The point is that in addition to having this attitude of "lets lynch any one of these people", he also takes opposition to town's attempt to consolidate on the Grack lynch. It is the combination of these two things that is anti-town, because he shits on Town's one effort to consolidate while providing no alternative. It's purely criticism as opposed to anything constructive. This bit reads as a bit disengenuis. Vivax's post was trying to tell Rayn (who was not his pick as Mayor) who he wanted to see flip. I also find it a bit funny he calls this... Show nested quote + That looked like a decent catch on Vivax there Trfel but I can't quite substantiate it from Vivax's filter (I see him going back and forth on Jock and even says he'd shoot FF or Sho). Please feel free to show me what I missed. attacking Trfel's read. Not caught up yet, and more or less just waking up so might have to grab coffee and food soon. On December 01 2020 08:41 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2020 05:11 Trfel wrote: I have a few thoughts but nothing more to really add on top of what's already been said. Of course this changes if people suspect me, but given that no one seems to currently, it feels more valuable for me to watch what happens undisturbed. With that said: ##Vote: Hapahauli I can certainly understand why Hapahauli, as a claimed blue, wouldn't be killed. But it's so hard for me to understand why he wouldn't be roleblocked. And while I'm uncertain, I doubt the presence of three blues in the setup, especially given the bodyguard mechanic. With that said: would someone be willing to explain to me what raynpelikoneet is saying about Hapahauli the past few pages that's so condemning? As I said on the last page, it seems to come down to role mechanics that I thought worked differently, but I seem to be horribly misreading. He is kinda on the same boat as me. Hapa claimed mafia would not kill him because they might set off his bomb on mafia!Vivax. Rayn was rightfully hounding down that that makes no sense when they knew he didn't have a bomb down and could RB and kill him without any worry. The only mechanical kink in that theory is that mafia knowing you are JK might be trying to play around protection. However this was still Happa's initial suggestion for why mafia would not kill him. While I find that all telling, I think looking at Happa's overall play it is clear his thinking is fualty if he was in fact Hatter. First he contradicts himself saying he didn't want mayor because getting shit let's hit use the role, but he later attempts to clearly breadcrum his role. I also think him using his blue claim as an excuse to drop off the game for awhile is telling. Then you can add in my point about his clearly having a strong scum read on Vivax at the start of day, they spends a few posts going "I don't know who is mafia, I keep flip flopping on Rayn" after several pages of defending his claim to me and rayn On December 01 2020 14:34 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2020 10:28 Tictock wrote: Like I know you are down to a pool of Rayn/Vivax/Myself, assuming I read ok So I suppose I would have to accept a Rayn/Vivax world Humm, is this so crazy? It suppose it could explain some things. On December 01 2020 14:43 Tictock wrote: Yes I say that after making a big deal of not wanting to move my vote earlier. I thought Vivax had been the safe bet for most of the day but Hapa made me lose my shit by not pushing Vivax earlier. On December 01 2020 14:48 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2020 14:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its okay, lets hear why i am mafia with Vivax. I am not getting into that, just saying Vivax should be the lynch here. | ||
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If Trfel and Fefe don't see the light, then so be it. | ||
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On December 02 2020 04:41 Tictock wrote: Oh, well this is what I get for going to sleep? GG, WP Rayn/Vivax Funny how Rayn has townread me all game until I suggest he could be mafia and want to lynch his buddie. You can blame yourself because you gave yourself plenty of reasons to scumread Hapa but are still stubbornly fixated on me being mafia when we had a chance at early consolidation. We'd have had much better chances of winning without you straying off the course. We really needed Hapa lynched today and it's hard not to see how happy he is that he gets to lynch you now. | ||
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The hazy-eyed, dazed rousing rabble again with a comical display of ineptness. Oh well. GG Haparayn. | ||
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On December 02 2020 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: i was vigi though didnt use my shot because i didnt want to | ||
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Gz to you and Hapa. | ||
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On December 02 2020 05:41 Hapahauli wrote: I'll save the discussion for post game, but if you're mafia, I'm going to ship you a drink of choice to Finland. Please don't respond to this now, just think about it after the game ends. Imagine the face when you get the bill for a Billionaire Vodka. | ||
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So assuming yes it's groundhog day again, and I was right. Additionally, why would mafia ever hold their shot? For some sort of unlikely grand finale where they mislynch rayn? Rayn + Hapa and all the post-game swag goes to yours truly. | ||
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On December 02 2020 07:31 Trfel wrote: I'm just going to say it. I jailed raynpelikoneet. Playing a board game with my roommate, be back later. Hapa would have claimed RB if you jailed him. So kinda obvious tbh. But how TF are you roleblocked and rayn jailed? Something doesn't add up here. | ||
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Someone's claim has to be fake. | ||
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On December 02 2020 07:42 Hapahauli wrote: Vivax, why from your perspective was it "obvious" that Rayn was targeted as opposed to yourself? If I had been targeted, it would be game over. Simples. | ||
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On December 02 2020 07:45 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2020 07:45 Vivax wrote: On December 02 2020 07:42 Hapahauli wrote: Vivax, why from your perspective was it "obvious" that Rayn was targeted as opposed to yourself? If I had been targeted, it would be game over. Simples. That's not true, since mafia can hold KP, and you would have no way of knowing if you were "roleblocked" (since you claim to be a VT). Why would mafia hold KP? That's not a possibility I'm willing to entertain. Explain the benefit to me. | ||
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All roles considered, the only odd claim remaining is Hapa. And we have evidence of a scum roleblocker. N1 only Hapa 'accidentally' claimed roleblocked when Trfel jailed him. N2 Trfel claimed roleblocked. Jailed Fefe. N3 Trfel claimed roleblocked, rayn was jailed. It's not decisive, but consistent with Hapa being roleblocker. Mad hatter in this setup? No way. | ||
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On December 02 2020 07:29 Vivax wrote: Let me guess, you jailed one of rayn and Hapa? So assuming yes it's groundhog day again, and I was right. Additionally, why would mafia ever hold their shot? For some sort of unlikely grand finale where they mislynch rayn? Rayn + Hapa and all the post-game swag goes to yours truly. | ||
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On December 02 2020 09:19 Vivax wrote: This really obvious scumslip went unnoticed I think. Find the error. Show nested quote + On December 02 2020 07:29 Vivax wrote: Let me guess, you jailed one of rayn and Hapa? So assuming yes it's groundhog day again, and I was right. Additionally, why would mafia ever hold their shot? For some sort of unlikely grand finale where they mislynch rayn? Rayn + Hapa and all the post-game swag goes to yours truly. First I pretend not to know who was jailed, then I imply that rayn is going to get lynched. | ||
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On December 02 2020 09:39 Hapahauli wrote: What was the thought behind shooting Shockeyy? It's tough to ask mafia to play a perfect game, but that felt like that really hurt mafia going into D3. Losing a mislynch target and a potential JK target for Trfel hurts. It's in the qt. Unexpected jail by Trfel anyway, when did you start scumreading rayn? On December 02 2020 09:37 DoYouHas wrote: town had one chance at winning this game and for this mechanical resolution to take place, and that was Trfel correctly blocking the person carrying scumKP out of 3 totally viable targets. That was not an easy task and shouldn't be cheapened. Definitely a good pick. The lack of CCs from our part also gave Trfel all the wiggle room he wanted. I couldn't have claimed to have jailed Hapa N1 though since he wasn't a townread. | ||
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Austria20860 Posts
On December 02 2020 09:44 GreYMisT wrote: I’ll post my thoughts later, thanks for playing everyone! It got rough at the end here for me a hit emotionally, but this was really a great game. Good play all around and a lot to learn from. DYH was amazing and went OFF on the flavor. I would give him and inch and he would make it a mile. Soz why, I hope it wasn't because I have the finesse of a bludgeon. Either way not a problem (for me) since we're here to argue&guess&lie and at worst the setup was cause for two disappointed tryhards. | ||
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You are probably concealing your happiness about that. | ||
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Austria20860 Posts
Rayn is right to be upset but I'm more responsible than the hosts imo. | ||
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