EPT[N]A Mostly Normal Game of Mafia - Page 45
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 30 2020 08:35 Hapahauli wrote: Because if this exact scenario. A "normally" balanced Mini is usually 3 mislynches = loss. With the "evil mastermind" in the setup, 2 mislynches = loss. Town needs a fuckton of help in this seutp. i think 2 blues and a confirmed town in bg is already enough. Now why am i mafia? | ||
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Hapahauli
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raynpelikoneet
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Trfel
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On November 30 2020 08:30 Hapahauli wrote: Yes, I agree that that is a terrible setup for town. And honestly, this is where things get complicated for me with the whole setup thing.Trfel - talk to me about this "you or me" thing. Why does one of us have to be mafia? Obviously throw out everything I'm about to say if we have another blue claim, but 2 mafia + Evil Mastermind is a fucking disaster for town without a lot of blue-role backup. In my view, you're confirmed town with FF. 2 mafia, 1 evil mastermind, 7 town seems like a really rough setup. However, the bodyguard also confirms a town. Going down to 6 town when (presumably) the evil mastermind recruits a town, if all of us are blue you are saying that 4/6 town in the game are confirmed? Three blues and a bodyguard? That seems a bit ridiculous to me. I agree that maybe that's actually more balanced... it just feels excessive? I've only ever seen three blues in a non-mason game once before I think, mayyyybe twice... but last time it happened, I think we would have been more likely to win the game if it wasn't for having three blues because that made one of the blues doubt the alignment of another. I guess it's not for sure but it seems likely, setup-wise? Because that would be so many confirmed town. Also, in a setup with so much KP, would they really put more KP in the game? I would have maybe expected another doctor or something to try and gain town an extra mislynch, but more KP seems strange. I dunno for sure. I feel like you are towny otherwise, I looked through your filter and I don't see good reasons to call you mafia... But it's really really hard for me to see four confirmed town in a 10-player game. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 30 2020 08:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: i think 2 blues and a confirmed town in bg is already enough. Now why am i mafia? In my mind, it's you, TT, or Vivax. Of the three, I am probably the most confident in Vivax being mafia. I have to sit down and read you and TT, and I will likely not have thoughts until a very deep readthrough. A readthrough that I won't do right this second, because talking with you and Trfel is the priority. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 30 2020 08:39 Trfel wrote: Yes, I agree that that is a terrible setup for town. And honestly, this is where things get complicated for me with the whole setup thing. 2 mafia, 1 evil mastermind, 7 town seems like a really rough setup. However, the bodyguard also confirms a town. Going down to 6 town when (presumably) the evil mastermind recruits a town, if all of us are blue you are saying that 4/6 town in the game are confirmed? Three blues and a bodyguard? That seems a bit ridiculous to me. I agree that maybe that's actually more balanced... it just feels excessive? I've only ever seen three blues in a non-mason game once before I think, mayyyybe twice... but last time it happened, I think we would have been more likely to win the game if it wasn't for having three blues because that made one of the blues doubt the alignment of another. I guess it's not for sure but it seems likely, setup-wise? Because that would be so many confirmed town. Also, in a setup with so much KP, would they really put more KP in the game? I would have maybe expected another doctor or something to try and gain town an extra mislynch, but more KP seems strange. I dunno for sure. I feel like you are towny otherwise, I looked through your filter and I don't see good reasons to call you mafia... But it's really really hard for me to see four confirmed town in a 10-player game. Thing is, you are forgetting about the Evil Mastermind, and how much that fucks town if a blue is recruited. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 30 2020 08:40 Hapahauli wrote: In my mind, it's you, TT, or Vivax. Of the three, I am probably the most confident in Vivax being mafia. I have to sit down and read you and TT, and I will likely not have thoughts until a very deep readthrough. A readthrough that I won't do right this second, because talking with you and Trfel is the priority. But you said it's me and Vivax most likely? Like i know you prolly have vivax as your top scum but hah.... | ||
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Hapahauli
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But is also a 3p buff. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 30 2020 08:41 Hapahauli wrote: Thing is, you are forgetting about the Evil Mastermind, and how much that fucks town if a blue is recruited. MY POINT EXACTLY; WHY YOU CLAIM STINKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! | ||
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Tictock
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In other news Sho is a weird kill... not totally sure what I make of it yet but seems like that points to Hapa being scum to me. I say that as I feel like a Sho kill indicates mafia was blue hunting. As I assume we should have All claims happen today, I am VT. And I will be decently happy if my yolo scum team D1 is correct. | ||
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Trfel
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I guess the fact that it's already such a weird setup makes me slightly hesitant to try and make reads off of setup things? It's usually correct but also sometimes it can lead to games being lost... like the game that had two town jailkeepers or whatever it was (Palmar and Blazinghand I believe), it required host intervention to stop town from lynching both in succession. But it still just seems like so much confirmed town....... | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 30 2020 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: But you said it's me and Vivax most likely? Like i know you prolly have vivax as your top scum but hah.... Rayn, you are too good of a player for me to point at anything specific in your filter to find a scumslip. That is not a realistic way of how I am going to catch you. And even if there is something "suspicious", it's not like there's a way to argue against it. You're a good scum player, and I respect that. But my sense of your play is twofold: 1) You have been more "passive" than normal. I have had the "luck" of being able to really easily town read you based on your "rage" in the last two games I've played with you, and I do not have that luxury this game. 2) Nothing that you are doing is out of the scope of your scumplay. Fuck, I can even come up with good reasons against why my reads don't hold water, so you don't have to do it for me. But right now, we're in process of elimination territory. | ||
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Trfel
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On November 30 2020 08:42 Tictock wrote: I guess it's whatever if you don't see anything wrong with it, to me a POE means you're pretty darn sure everyone else is town though?What is wrong with me removing Hapa from my PoE due to being an UnCC'd blue role yet still speculating the possibility of him being mafia? In other news Sho is a weird kill... not totally sure what I make of it yet but seems like that points to Hapa being scum to me. I say that as I feel like a Sho kill indicates mafia was blue hunting. As I assume we should have All claims happen today, I am VT. And I will be decently happy if my yolo scum team D1 is correct. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 30 2020 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: MY POINT EXACTLY; WHY YOU CLAIM STINKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Then why didn't you vote me yesterday? I all but claimed in my posting after my roleblock claim fiasco that I was a Mad Hatter. This should have been apparent to you then. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Tictock
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On November 30 2020 07:59 Hapahauli wrote: Ooooh interesting. I am a Mad Hatter. My intent in playing as I did (not running for mayor) was to have a chance of using my role. I targeted Vivax N1 (roleblocked) on the basis of my scumread. I targeted Shockeyy N2, in that if I was killed, I would rather leave town in a position where they had to worry about one less lurker. Plus, if I take someone down with me (even if my read is incorrect), it's still LYLO as opposed to MYLO. I do not think Trfel's claim necessarily makes him mafia. I'm also not sure why someone else being roleblocked tonight would confirm "one of me or Trfel" as mafia. More thoughts when I'm home tonight. Why would mafia leave you alive after you claimed? Like if I try and look at a world where both of you are town, then mafia is going "why did this guy claim rb" D2 and yet somehow they decide to RB Trfel and Shoot Sho last Night? That makes no sense | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 30 2020 08:48 Hapahauli wrote: And I know you aren't stupid enough not to pick up on that. huh?where was your claim? | ||
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