EPT[N]A Mostly Normal Game of Mafia - Page 43
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 27 2020 08:55 Trfel wrote: Does this feel weird to anyone else? Tictock was scumreading Fecalfeast and townreading Grackaroni. On one hand, I could see Tictock trying to word his argument in a way that's persuasive to me, but on the other hand, shouldn't he be restating his reasons to scumread Fecalfeast and townread Grackaroni? And this, which Tictock threw in 11 minutes to end of day. If he didn't want Grackaroni to die (by the way, he just said a few posts previously that he was okay with Grackaroni dying), shouldn't he prefer killing Fecalfeast to ShoCkeyy? Given that he actually has reasons to suspect Fecalfeast and ShoCkeyy is just a lurker? Why did you back off from this one? | ||
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Trfel
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On November 30 2020 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think so? I had some questions for him yesterday that I'd still like him to answer. He's been kinda in the null/slightly town area.Have you ever scumread TT this game Trfel? I like his play, he was suspicious of Hapahauli yesterday without ever seeming to doubt the blue claim so that seems a bit suspect, knowing that Hapahauli is mafia. Otherwise, pending his answers to my questions, I don't really think he is mafia. | ||
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Trfel
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On November 30 2020 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I never backed off. This wasn't a scumread, this was an "I'm looking into you." He just never answered Why did you back off from this one?  | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 30 2020 06:24 Trfel wrote: I don't think so? I had some questions for him yesterday that I'd still like him to answer. He's been kinda in the null/slightly town area. I like his play, he was suspicious of Hapahauli yesterday without ever seeming to doubt the blue claim so that seems a bit suspect, knowing that Hapahauli is mafia. Otherwise, pending his answers to my questions, I don't really think he is mafia. You realise that i dont know if Hapa is mafia so this doesnt mean much to me. On November 30 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: I never backed off. This wasn't a scumread, this was an "I'm looking into you." He just never answered Shouldn't a no-answer ring some bells? | ||
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Trfel
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On November 30 2020 06:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah, I get that. You just asked me what my read was though :/ Which at this point does involve associations.You realise that i dont know if Hapa is mafia so this doesnt mean much to me. Shouldn't a no-answer ring some bells? I assumed we would be lynching between me and Hapahauli today, but I suppose it doesn't have to be that way. In fact, actually, it makes sense to not do it that way. So we probably should lynch between Tictock and Vivax today. | ||
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Trfel
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I'm (obviously) still suspicious of Tictock, but overall I have felt his play to be decently towny. Lemme dive their filters again. | ||
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Trfel
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 30 2020 06:32 Trfel wrote: Yeah, I get that. You just asked me what my read was though :/ Which at this point does involve associations. I assumed we would be lynching between me and Hapahauli today, but I suppose it doesn't have to be that way. In fact, actually, it makes sense to not do it that way. So we probably should lynch between Tictock and Vivax today. Actually i asked what your read on TT was, not what it was on Hapa. | ||
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Trfel
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+ Show Spoiler [analysis] + On November 26 2020 03:37 Tictock wrote: Tictock was suspecting Hapahauli earlier. However, Hapahauli then fell out of his POE, which was Jockmcplop and ShoCkeyy:Honestly reading the more recent bit of Hapa's filter I can see him being mafia. His vote for Trfel as mayor is a bit weird and weak, says he is the "logical" choice. Scumread on Grack due to him campaigning for mayor and "soft-pushing" Trfel. I have a hard time believing Hapa has this good of a townread on Trfel. Also does not seem that he has sus on Rayn so I'm not clear why Hapa would prefer Trfel>Rayn On November 27 2020 14:08 Tictock wrote: And says he doesn't like Hapahauli's case on Vivax:It occurs to me that I have basically poe'd myself down to Jock/Sho That...seems reasonable actually. Glanced through Sho's filter and dont get much from it. It seems like he might just be following thread sentiment with his reads but I am not really able to go check right now. On November 27 2020 14:41 Tictock wrote: However, since this is most of what Hapahauli did, why did Tictock stop suspecting Hapahauli? For that matter, same about Vivax?Yea, the more I look at Hapa's case on Vivax I don't think it holds any water. I don't see why a mafia!vivax would push away from a mislynch on someone he has only stated is a null read. Going to look into the Jock stuff tomorrow. On November 28 2020 10:03 Tictock wrote: Here, Tictock is suspicious of Hapahauli despite Hapahauli being an (at the time) un-cc'd blue.Was kinda a joke, would probably be the worst scum team for town to deal with. Though I would love to find solid reasons to keep the paranoia at Bay. Honestly I am not totally sure how to read them well. I have only played with Hapa once and I was mafia so him not feeling as obviuse town as I was him that game is not a good basis for a read. Still that feeling and not really liking/agreeing with his reads this game has me a little sus. As for Rayn I have been able to see where Rayn is coming from in general and have agreed with his reads, so is most likely town. However his play does feel in line with his mafia play in that he doesn't have as clear a focus as I tend to see him have and was willing to do what other people wanted over his own prefferrance as Mayor. None of that is really sufficient to call him scum but it does keep me from having a lock town read on him. Right now I do not understand where Rayn is coming from and disagree with his reads but am wanting to see his responses before I go much further on that. And just for a disclaimer: None of this effects the current state of the game where we should be lynching Jock kus he is super likely to flip mafia. On November 29 2020 09:35 Tictock wrote: And this. If this is true, why did he post that he was still suspicious of Hapahauli?Damn, that sucks. I talked about my Hapa read with you already Trfel? Plus the roleblock thing seemed legit, even though you could argue Hapa was using that as cover to dodge the game. It's a weird time though and we just lynched a townie who had disappeared so prob not a good metric. Vivax + Show Spoiler [analysis] + As previously mentioned, I don't like how Vivax keeps throwing suspicion at Alakaslam for his first page of filter and then backs off when he's "caught up" for no other apparent reason. This is pending an answer from Vivax. Honestly that's my only real thought about Vivax's filter, at a quick glance anyway. Conclusion I don't really know I'm waiting for an (important) answer from Vivax, I'd like to spend some time talking with both of them more to try and figure this out. Vivax has been quite lazy lately, which is a bit disappointing, and fits his lazy mafia meta. However, Tictock's explanation for his read change on Vivax and Hapahauli doesn't seem to match.I think right now I'd prefer lynching Tictock due to the Hapahauli and Vivax read changes. But other than that, Tictock feels like town to me. It's close. @raynpelikoneet: I know you didn't ask for my read on Hapahauli, I meant that because Hapahauli is almost guaranteed mafia to me, it's essentially flipped associations. Therefore, it's important for (at least) me to consider associations with Hapahauli in my reads. Caveat is that I'm abysmal at associations But still. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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You are at Hapa being mafia, i dont know why you read TT as town, and Hapa your top scum read made a big case on Vivax D2. So Hapa + Vivax why? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 30 2020 06:51 Trfel wrote: I think right now I'd prefer lynching Tictock due to the Hapahauli and Vivax read changes. But other than that, Tictock feels like town to me. It's close. Okay i missed this. Disregard my last question. | ||
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Trfel
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Once Hapahauli claims his role I can claim mine and then it'll be easier to discuss together.Good night raynpelikoneet. I assume it's okay for me to claim my role once Hapahauli claims his? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 30 2020 06:32 Trfel wrote: I assumed we would be lynching between me and Hapahauli today, but I suppose it doesn't have to be that way. In fact, actually, it makes sense to not do it that way. So we probably should lynch between Tictock and Vivax today. If you know -- as you seem to know, that hapa is at least almost 100% mafia, why do you prefer this? | ||
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On November 30 2020 07:02 Trfel wrote: Once Hapahauli claims his role I can claim mine and then it'll be easier to discuss together. yes, as quickly as possible please. | ||
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Trfel
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On November 30 2020 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's a role thing, I assume you want me to tell you later? It's important though, so I'll be happy to discuss it whenever you want. Plus as I added in my previous post, my reasoning was slightly flawed.If you know -- as you seem to know, that hapa is at least almost 100% mafia, why do you prefer this? Once Hapahauli claims his "role" I'll work out which option is mathematically superior. | ||
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Hapahauli
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I am a Mad Hatter. My intent in playing as I did (not running for mayor) was to have a chance of using my role. I targeted Vivax N1 (roleblocked) on the basis of my scumread. I targeted Shockeyy N2, in that if I was killed, I would rather leave town in a position where they had to worry about one less lurker. Plus, if I take someone down with me (even if my read is incorrect), it's still LYLO as opposed to MYLO. I do not think Trfel's claim necessarily makes him mafia. I'm also not sure why someone else being roleblocked tonight would confirm "one of me or Trfel" as mafia. More thoughts when I'm home tonight. | ||
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