*My host is Hapahauli! please direct any and all questions, complaints, suggestions, or actual work to them. There are no coaches for this game. I am still cohosting.
Please note that the setup and rules are subject to change prior to game start.
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance. Time Cycle: This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 19:00 GMT (+00:00), but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.
Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account. 11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM. 12. Posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can still fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
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Activity: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
Spam: Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. This also means you should condense your posts when possible. 15 one-liners in 30 minutes is unacceptable. (you can talk about proleague) Encryption: Don't do it.
Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of TL where it is okay to double post or even triple-post. While you should try to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
Inappropriate posts: If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM the host, a co-host, or GMarshal before involving the other TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can discuss the situation with other members of the TL staff.
Reporting posts: The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, or GMarshal before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without getting banned. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM the host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned.
Out of thread communication:
It is common for mafia (and town circles if PMs are allowed) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk.
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Voting rules:
1. Voting is done in a separate thread, located *here*. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. 6. This game uses a plurality lynch. You become the new lynch target when you have more votes than anyone else.) In the event of a tie, the player who first received enough votes will be lynched.
Signups:
This game is open to anyone. Signups will remain open until all 13 spots have been filled.
Game-specific rules:
Smurfs: Smurfs are allowed, you have to tell me who you are when you sign up though
Hydras: Hydras are not allowed this game.
Replacements This game uses replacements. Replacements will be made in the game until and during Day 2. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list.
PMs PMs are not allowed in this game.
Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
Hamachi (Vanilla Townie) - Made with Yellowtail, you're actually tasty and different from what everyone eats. You're worthwhile. But. You're also still just a fish. You have voting rights and no other power.
Tempura (Unaware Miller) - You are such a variety of things that you are actually also good- but EVERYONE likes tempura. Even that crazy kid who is calling everyone Chinese while squeezing his eyelids whose parents are so brain-dead they let him keep doing it.
Alignment checks return you as scum. You are not aware of this (your role PM will be normal Hamachi, even though Hamachi basically doesn't become a tempura. Maybe I'll make some VT shrimp and you'll also be told you're shrimp? No, too confusing. You will think you're hamachi).
WASABI (Innocent Child) - You're wasabi. Most sushi shouldn't happen without good wasabi. The Chef can vouch for you.
At any time in the game you can PM the hosts to have them confirm your role in the thread. This is guaranteed to happen before the next deadline but otherwise may not happen immediately. This power can only be used one hour or more before the deadline.
HAND ROLL!! (Doctor) - You are exciting enough that even basic fish is awesome when done this way. And so few people know about this? Why? Redeem the simple sushi!
Once per night you can PM the hosts with a target who will receive protection from all attacks that night. The type of fish is still whatever it is and the customer probably doesn't know jack about sushi if they ordered something you gotta save so the target will not be notified if they have been saved. Since you can't keep doing the same thing over and over without shameful guilt, you may not choose the same person twice in a row and you cannot protect yourself because you are a concept, not actual sushi yourself.
TAKO (Veteran) - You are pretty tough... but still exotic and awesome.
The first attack on you will fail. Multiple attacks on the same night all targeted at you will succeed. You will be notified if an attack on you has been made.
WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE (Vigilante) - You're a surprisingly important sign. Though usually the chef points to you, you can actually appeal directly to a server. Because you're the best sign; you're literally magic.
On any night you can PM the hosts with a target who will be killed. You can use this ability once.
COMPETENT CUSTOMER (Cop) - You are the first person with any kind of power to sniff out a weak sauce socialite and help them order REAL JAPANESE FOOD at the JAPANESE place they've visited. You can also make sure proper respect is paid to the chef.
Once per night you can PM the hosts with a target. You will be informed if they are town or scum.
FED UP SERVER (Jailor) - You're Slam irl. You're about to quit, you only got this job because your friend owns the restaurant. If the customer is a tool and giving you shit, you can just up and not fire their order for a while (though this kind of breaks continuity and sets you on an alternate timeline, since IRL you care about Keumhee's reputation).
Once per night you can PM the hosts with a target. They will be unable to perform any actions that night and be protected from all attacks. Your target will be notified if their action has been blocked. However they will not be notified if they have been saved. Due to angry customer reviews you may not choose the same person twice in a row and since you aren't a customer or a sushi dish you cannot protect yourself.
STOCKER (Tracker) - You buy all the fresh stock for sushi. You have to maintain quality control!
Once per night you can PM the hosts with a target. You will be informed who they visited that night. You may not choose the same person twice in a row.
MAFIA roles:
WASABI AND SOY SAUCE with TOO MUCH GINGER / GINGER ON THE ROLL + Show Spoiler +
Thankfully indio residents didn’t do this. I had forgotten about palette cleansing during the eating lol
(Goon) - You are an abomination created by Americans. No. NO. Not right.
Once per night you can PM the hosts with a target who will be killed by the mafia. While you are alive, you will carry out the night kill for roleblocking/tracking purposes. If you die, your team can choose who will send out the night kill.
SALMON (Roleblocker) - Boring fish that everyone orders. They could get you at Bubba Gump's. But no, come to a real sushi restaurant because somehow it's better that way? Get it from Norway or Alaska? No? How about some capers and cream cheese?
Once per night you can PM the hosts with a target to waste their time on you. They will wonder if they really actually like sushi and be unable to perform any actions. You may not choose the same target twice in a row. Your target will be notified if their action has been blocked.
ORANGE CHICKEN (Framer) - Why do a crapton of people order this? Go to china wok or panda express this isn't Chinese you nitwi- IT'S ON THE MENU?!?!? IT GETS ORDERED THAT OFTEN?!? Dumb desert people.
Once per night you can PM the hosts with a target. Their alignment will return as scum that night and they will be observed as having visited a random player.
TUNA (Godfather) - Being a truly badass fish (the best) IF BLUEFIN (you aren't), you look like a badass order and can fool people.
Alignment checks on you will return town.
Additional notes Having this many potential roles in the game creates a lot of interactions. Any additional ones explicitly asked for will be added to the list.
All non-VT roles are guaranteed to be unique
No non-VT role is guaranteed to be present (even the goon).
Any special ability that is passive cannot be roleblocked (Miller/GF, Veteran).
The night kill can be roleblocked.
If the Jailor and Roleblocker target each other, both will be roleblocked and notified, but the Roleblocker will not receive the Jailor's protection.
If the Jailor targets the Roleblocker who targets a third person, the Roleblocker will be jailed and the third person will not be affected. Similarly, if the Roleblocker targets the Jailor, the Jailor will be roleblocked and the third person will not be affected.
The Framer's random visitation effect only appears to the Tracker. So if the Framer's target is jailed, the Tracker will still see that person as having visited someone. Of course if the Framer themselves are jailed then their effect will not take place that night.
PLEASE NOTE
IF WE START WITH 7 we will run the following setup:
On May 22 2020 07:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: Looks like their diplo game ended, I got fucked hard again by being Germany... Again... ;(
I think you just need to spend more time talking to players. You were the only player not on Discord, which was a pretty huge communication disadvantage. Regarding my own communications with you, 1) I never felt I built much of a rapport with you, 2) your request for me to prevent England from grabbing Belgium, combined with your subsequent moves towards Belgium made me feel that you weren't a trustworthy ally, and 3) you didn't respond to my messages when I asked you about Belgium...
Think about the game from your neighbors' perspectives. If I am not communicating well with you, I will not feel confident in trusting your word and and allying with you.
On May 22 2020 07:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: Looks like their diplo game ended, I got fucked hard again by being Germany... Again... ;(
I think you just need to spend more time talking to players. You were the only player not on Discord, which was a pretty huge communication disadvantage. Regarding my own communications with you, 1) I never felt I built much of a rapport with you, 2) your request for me to prevent England from grabbing Belgium, combined with your subsequent moves towards Belgium made me feel that you weren't a trustworthy ally, and 3) you didn't respond to my messages when I asked you about Belgium...
Think about the game from your neighbors' perspectives. If I am not communicating well with you, I will not feel confident in trusting your word and and allying with you.
So much this.
No matter what I wasn’t likely to ally with Germany 100% but I might not have fought you- but Hapa and GB definitely got to me first with a plan that tickled me greatly. Even when my moves totally failed, I was England so I had a coast proteccing me.
Basically as you could see, Hapa giving me a second shot at the game won my undying loyalty. He could straight up show me his back and I wouldn’t strike.
Howdy smurf! Can you let me know who you are via PM? Thanks.
Will decide a deadline that works for me and put it in the OP.
I take that smurf is an alternative account of someone? I'm actually new to the forum, rayn just asked me to play as he wanted this to fill up and also maybe because I've been complaining there are no games in the forum I normally play :D So I'm familiar to forum mafia, but I have played mostly in Finnish. Short introduction to everyone else as well X)
Howdy smurf! Can you let me know who you are via PM? Thanks.
Will decide a deadline that works for me and put it in the OP.
I take that smurf is an alternative account of someone? I'm actually new to the forum, rayn just asked me to play as he wanted this to fill up and also maybe because I've been complaining there are no games in the forum I normally play :D So I'm familiar to forum mafia, but I have played mostly in Finnish. Short introduction to everyone else as well X)
I gotta postpone. Stuff came up sooner. However I might be able to run in a couple weeks... is that ok? If not, I can pass it off to others who can pm me to update the main posts if needed. PM push to my phone so I will update the main posts whenever I have time with relevant info.
Otherwise, I can help run this in mid June. What irritates me is I will actually have a lot of time. Just going to be on call too often to reliably post at a deadline.
Please note, I am going to run this using Slam's flavor. Setup will be 9 Players, 7 Town, 2 Mafia. There will be 0-2 town power roles. There will be 0-2 mafia power roles. Power roles will be randomly generated.
HBD Slam! There is a cake on your username so I suppose is your bday.
This website is based on time in Seoul, South Korea. In my wife’s homeland, it is currently my birthday. But where we’re living right now, my birthday is tomorrow.
As you see from the countdown timers, I will be starting the game 2 hours earlier (3pm EDT vs. 5pm EDT), since I will not be available today at deadline. Day 1 will be 2 hours longer than normal, and deadlines will be at 5pm EDT as discussed previously.
When Liquidia Sushi opened its doors in Lincoln, Nebraska earlier this year, it appeared to be a terrible investment. As it turns out, shipping fresh fish into the midwest really hurts your margins. Alakaslam, the owner, heard the whispering and the ridicule.
But month after month, he went into the red keeping the doors of his empty restaurant open. He had a plan. He knew the people of Nebraska better than themselves.
And in late March, they started coming. Waves of waves of Nebraskans... farmers, factory workers, students... all flocked to Liquidia Sushi, possessed by an endless hunger for take-out Sushi.
Alakaslam knew all along.
Business was booming. Alakaslam was doing millions in sales. He was even thinking of opening another branch in North Dakota!
Yet on May 31st, 2020, Sheriff Stanfield responded to a distress call at Liquidia Sushi. He pushed open the front glass door, and heard nothing but the sound of the door closing behind him. A strong smell of Chicken Teriyaki pervaded the restaurant... suspicious.
He stepped behind the counter and found Alakaslam, tied to a chair and motionless. His face was purple and his mouth was stuffed full of chicken.
Plurality Lynch: The person with the most votes gets lynched. in the event of a tie, the player that first received enough votes will be lynched. until deadline.
The inclusion of Tako in the vote count image is purely aesthetic. Any reference to roles present or not present in the game is unintentional. Is it not a most beautiful sushi?
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
Sorry, it's morning. I am mostly grumpy at mornings. Dont worry though, it'll get interesting. I personally joined this game mostly because i actually have to fogure out Vivax' alignment for once..
On June 02 2020 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sorry, it's morning. I am mostly grumpy at mornings. Dont worry though, it'll get interesting. I personally joined this game mostly because i actually have to fogure out Vivax' alignment for once..
Haha, no worries, it's not your fault. I just fear this'll be another ~10 pages a day kind of game, and those can be pretty difficult to win...
Vivax I feel like isn't too tricky? He made several mistakes and was giving himself away towards the end of last game. There were always just too many other issues to really address it. But maybe that's to his credit, I don't understand how to disrupt the thread very well.
Oh i dont know what he did after i died but the only mistake he made while i was alive was calling chezinu's head for being mason. But that's on shockeyy that mistake didnt "show".
Would you mind elaborating why you think i am town though, vivax? Just because i dont recall you basically ever thinking i am town when you are at least this early... and i mean like EVER, imo you would probably call me mafia even if i was modconfirmed lol.
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Awkward post
Can I ask why you find this post awkward? I don't really feel it's remarkable at all, maybe even ever so slightly townish because mafia would have little incentive to post given the lack of activity.
On June 02 2020 08:28 Trfel wrote: Hi all Long time no see!
CopCake, I don't understand why you are townreading Jockmcplop so easily. Why couldn't he say that as mafia?
Wooooo, because I know the feeling of rolling mafia consecutive and then rolling town is fresh air, I said it. Recently of 4 games in 3 I have been mafia so being town here is like... freedom. Not to have to worry about mind games.
On June 02 2020 04:23 CopCake wrote: Just came to say I am town and ready to work with my fellow sushinians!
Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row
I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling.
It is mentally exhaustingggggg!!
Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope.
Ofc there is a small chance he could say that as mafia but he just came up out of nowhere which makes me feel that a town jock is more likely to say that, he feels cheerful. It feels sincere.
Now why are you like all "woooooooo why did cake say that"? I need to check if you haven't played recently BUT if you have you should know jock has been rolling mafia many times lately. I think he and vivax were in a team together last game. And then he was mafia in the game he made fun of HF with a gif.
On June 02 2020 10:07 Tictock wrote: Almost forgot about this as I've been baking a bunch of stuff today.
What up peeps been awhile.
I personally do not endorse the term "sushinians" as I identify as a "sushirino" + Show Spoiler +
I am on the fence about sushitarian
... I feel this is important to state now so we avoid a more awkward discussion about it later. Thanks for understanding.
Sushinian rhymes with civilian. Sushirino sounds masculine and singular.
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
The burn ahahahahaha, read above. I think you are trying to be extremely nitpicky instead of letting things flow. Was my answer enough btw?
On June 02 2020 14:39 jeekaka wrote: Good morning and nice to meet you guys.
Would be funny if Copcake and Jockmcplop were our mafia team.
I am never this bad as mafia on forum games,hi!
On June 02 2020 14:50 Vivax wrote: In this game i won‘t let you think that i think you are mafia.
what you thought about figuring out about my alignment was something i hoped for after rolling maf and actually posting
And no one is going to call out this read??????? Like they did with me???????
On June 02 2020 08:28 Trfel wrote: Hi all Long time no see!
CopCake, I don't understand why you are townreading Jockmcplop so easily. Why couldn't he say that as mafia?
Wooooo, because I know the feeling of rolling mafia consecutive and then rolling town is fresh air, I said it. Recently of 4 games in 3 I have been mafia so being town here is like... freedom. Not to have to worry about mind games.
On June 02 2020 04:23 CopCake wrote: Just came to say I am town and ready to work with my fellow sushinians!
Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row
I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling.
It is mentally exhaustingggggg!!
Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope.
Ofc there is a small chance he could say that as mafia but he just came up out of nowhere which makes me feel that a town jock is more likely to say that, he feels cheerful. It feels sincere.
Now why are you like all "woooooooo why did cake say that"? I need to check if you haven't played recently BUT if you have you should know jock has been rolling mafia many times lately. I think he and vivax were in a team together last game. And then he was mafia in the game he made fun of HF with a gif.
I think that tone is really easily faked. And you cannot come to thread like "can you guys believe I rolled scum again" so it's actually also very likely thing to fake.
You so eagerly townreading him for it might be TMI or kinda subtly highlighting towniness of your own entry post where you stated you were town.
So I don't really think you are mafia together, but seems like claiming town in the first posts works as counter psychology to me :D
On June 02 2020 08:28 Trfel wrote: Hi all Long time no see!
CopCake, I don't understand why you are townreading Jockmcplop so easily. Why couldn't he say that as mafia?
Wooooo, because I know the feeling of rolling mafia consecutive and then rolling town is fresh air, I said it. Recently of 4 games in 3 I have been mafia so being town here is like... freedom. Not to have to worry about mind games.
On June 02 2020 05:32 CopCake wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:23 CopCake wrote: Just came to say I am town and ready to work with my fellow sushinians!
Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row
I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling.
It is mentally exhaustingggggg!!
Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope.
Ofc there is a small chance he could say that as mafia but he just came up out of nowhere which makes me feel that a town jock is more likely to say that, he feels cheerful. It feels sincere.
Now why are you like all "woooooooo why did cake say that"? I need to check if you haven't played recently BUT if you have you should know jock has been rolling mafia many times lately. I think he and vivax were in a team together last game. And then he was mafia in the game he made fun of HF with a gif.
I think that tone is really easily faked. And you cannot come to thread like "can you guys believe I rolled scum again" so it's actually also very likely thing to fake.
You so eagerly townreading him for it might be TMI or kinda subtly highlighting towniness of your own entry post where you stated you were town.
So I don't really think you are mafia together, but seems like claiming town in the first posts works as counter psychology to me :D
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=3 I think mafia is more likely to try to look "Oh look I am working, I am trying to solve the game" and making a lot of posts without actually doing something. I understand where you and others are coming from, but for example, it feels different how you approach me and my read than the way trfl did.
I dont know what you would do and i dont really care because i can just tead what people do here right now and vase my judgement on that. My concern isnt that you townread jock, because people can townread other people for weird oe even bad reasons. I dont think that makes tou anything. However i am not at all pleased on how you address the critique pver your post because you: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did? - in addition to the above, everyone who saw that vivax' post called it out aside from trfel, tet trfel is the ONLY person out of us three who youre NOT interested in???
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont know what you would do and i dont really care because i can just tead what people do here right now and vase my judgement on that. My concern isnt that you townread jock, because people can townread other people for weird oe even bad reasons. I dont think that makes tou anything. However i am not at all pleased on how you address the critique pver your post because you: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did? - in addition to the above, everyone who saw that vivax' post called it out aside from trfel, tet trfel is the ONLY person out of us three who youre NOT interested in???
- used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum
And that applies to everyone? I am sure you once said that I am way good to get people to town read me even when I do something that looks scummy.
Btw, that was more my pride talking, saying that I wouldn't make that mistake as mafia because the scenario was "jock + cop" mafia team, which would be a very bad play from me and my mafia partner if we both were mafia.
- used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Just pointing more fingers at him. Specially because I think my read on jock and how he is reading you and trfl are kinda similar.
I expect a town player after being too many times mafia would act like how I expect jock did.
On June 02 2020 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think you understand my point but thats pkay since youre rhe only one who doesnt need to understand it really.
On June 02 2020 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think you understand my point but thats pkay since youre rhe only one who doesnt need to understand it really.
and this is because?
Because if i am discussing your alignment with other people discussing what you did (which is something everyone can read in the thread) is useless.
You currently think mafia is trfel and vivax, am i correct?
On June 02 2020 17:46 CopCake wrote: I think mafia is more likely to try to look "Oh look I am working, I am trying to solve the game" and making a lot of posts without actually doing something. I understand where you and others are coming from, but for example, it feels different how you approach me and my read than the way trfl did.
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Awkward post
Can I ask why you find this post awkward? I don't really feel it's remarkable at all, maybe even ever so slightly townish because mafia would have little incentive to post given the lack of activity.
Likely falling asleep soon.
He spent a bit too much time thinking about his own post for my taste. But could be I read too much into it.
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
Cake's point about Trfel is interesting. I would also be interested to hear why did he asked about Vivax post about akwardnes but didn't ask about rolling mafia thing.
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
I thought the exact same thing. I'm now going to be very wary of pocketing attempts by copcake. Very eager early townreads can go either way, but it sure makes me suspicious.
On June 02 2020 12:56 Trfel wrote: Hi raynpelikoneet
I think you have made the worst entrance in the thread si far and therefore you are my top scumread. Do you have any thoughts about this?
The worst seems to suggest that you think rayn's entrance was actually bad, but all he did was say hi! Ita makea noa sense.
On June 02 2020 08:28 Trfel wrote: Hi all Long time no see!
CopCake, I don't understand why you are townreading Jockmcplop so easily. Why couldn't he say that as mafia?
Wooooo, because I know the feeling of rolling mafia consecutive and then rolling town is fresh air, I said it. Recently of 4 games in 3 I have been mafia so being town here is like... freedom. Not to have to worry about mind games.
On June 02 2020 05:32 CopCake wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:23 CopCake wrote: Just came to say I am town and ready to work with my fellow sushinians!
Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row
I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling.
It is mentally exhaustingggggg!!
Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope.
Ofc there is a small chance he could say that as mafia but he just came up out of nowhere which makes me feel that a town jock is more likely to say that, he feels cheerful. It feels sincere.
Now why are you like all "woooooooo why did cake say that"? I need to check if you haven't played recently BUT if you have you should know jock has been rolling mafia many times lately. I think he and vivax were in a team together last game. And then he was mafia in the game he made fun of HF with a gif.
I think that tone is really easily faked. And you cannot come to thread like "can you guys believe I rolled scum again" so it's actually also very likely thing to fake.
You so eagerly townreading him for it might be TMI or kinda subtly highlighting towniness of your own entry post where you stated you were town.
So I don't really think you are mafia together, but seems like claiming town in the first posts works as counter psychology to me :D
Sorry what does the bolded bit mean?
Not quite sure what to make of Vivax's opening. His thing about not letting rayn know if he scumreads him is interesting and I don't think we should forget that he posted that.
I can actually see the world where Copcake is town and Scum!Trfel sees Cake's townread of Jock as an easy thing to pick up. Cake defending that read might be consistent with them being actually sincere about it (although I still disagree, you cannot really compare two entry posts when the other is a catch up post when game has been going on for pages and the other is one of the first posts of the game).
Cannot totally shake the feeling Copcakes townreads are slightly TMIsh, but having kinda cut read that Copcake/Zey are not W/W.
On June 02 2020 14:50 Vivax wrote: In this game i won‘t let you think that i think you are mafia.
what you thought about figuring out about my alignment was something i hoped for after rolling maf and actually posting
I dont understand any of this.
Me neither lol. Vivax do you mean you rolled maf? :D
I think he was referring to the previous game when he rolled maf. For context, usually Vivax goes afk quickly as mafia but in the last game he posted alot and played well throughout the game, thus scuppering the easy meta read on him people were using.
On June 02 2020 08:28 Trfel wrote: Hi all Long time no see!
CopCake, I don't understand why you are townreading Jockmcplop so easily. Why couldn't he say that as mafia?
Wooooo, because I know the feeling of rolling mafia consecutive and then rolling town is fresh air, I said it. Recently of 4 games in 3 I have been mafia so being town here is like... freedom. Not to have to worry about mind games.
On June 02 2020 05:32 CopCake wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:23 CopCake wrote: Just came to say I am town and ready to work with my fellow sushinians!
Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row
I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling.
It is mentally exhaustingggggg!!
Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope.
Ofc there is a small chance he could say that as mafia but he just came up out of nowhere which makes me feel that a town jock is more likely to say that, he feels cheerful. It feels sincere.
Now why are you like all "woooooooo why did cake say that"? I need to check if you haven't played recently BUT if you have you should know jock has been rolling mafia many times lately. I think he and vivax were in a team together last game. And then he was mafia in the game he made fun of HF with a gif.
I think that tone is really easily faked. And you cannot come to thread like "can you guys believe I rolled scum again" so it's actually also very likely thing to fake.
You so eagerly townreading him for it might be TMI or kinda subtly highlighting towniness of your own entry post where you stated you were town.
So I don't really think you are mafia together, but seems like claiming town in the first posts works as counter psychology to me :D
Sorry what does the bolded bit mean?
That when you enter the game by telling you are town it makes me question if you really are :D
On June 02 2020 23:31 jeekaka wrote: I can actually see the world where Copcake is town and Scum!Trfel sees Cake's townread of Jock as an easy thing to pick up. Cake defending that read might be consistent with them being actually sincere about it (although I still disagree, you cannot really compare two entry posts when the other is a catch up post when game has been going on for pages and the other is one of the first posts of the game).
Cannot totally shake the feeling Copcakes townreads are slightly TMIsh, but having kinda cut read that Copcake/Zey are not W/W.
I'm considering mostly the copcake is just looking for the reactions to her post as a way of scumhunting rather than worrying about what people are thinking. She was a reaction based player in the last game we played together. Because of this her too scummy to be scum argument actually makes sense.
I'm still open minded about a possible pocketing attempt, but i'm more inclined to see her opening as town copcake.
On June 02 2020 08:28 Trfel wrote: Hi all Long time no see!
CopCake, I don't understand why you are townreading Jockmcplop so easily. Why couldn't he say that as mafia?
Wooooo, because I know the feeling of rolling mafia consecutive and then rolling town is fresh air, I said it. Recently of 4 games in 3 I have been mafia so being town here is like... freedom. Not to have to worry about mind games.
On June 02 2020 05:32 CopCake wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:23 CopCake wrote: Just came to say I am town and ready to work with my fellow sushinians!
Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row
I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling.
It is mentally exhaustingggggg!!
Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope.
Ofc there is a small chance he could say that as mafia but he just came up out of nowhere which makes me feel that a town jock is more likely to say that, he feels cheerful. It feels sincere.
Now why are you like all "woooooooo why did cake say that"? I need to check if you haven't played recently BUT if you have you should know jock has been rolling mafia many times lately. I think he and vivax were in a team together last game. And then he was mafia in the game he made fun of HF with a gif.
I think that tone is really easily faked. And you cannot come to thread like "can you guys believe I rolled scum again" so it's actually also very likely thing to fake.
You so eagerly townreading him for it might be TMI or kinda subtly highlighting towniness of your own entry post where you stated you were town.
So I don't really think you are mafia together, but seems like claiming town in the first posts works as counter psychology to me :D
Sorry what does the bolded bit mean?
That when you enter the game by telling you are town it makes me question if you really are :D
You should be questioning that regardless of my opening!
On June 02 2020 14:50 Vivax wrote: In this game i won‘t let you think that i think you are mafia.
what you thought about figuring out about my alignment was something i hoped for after rolling maf and actually posting
I dont understand any of this.
Me neither lol. Vivax do you mean you rolled maf? :D
I think he was referring to the previous game when he rolled maf. For context, usually Vivax goes afk quickly as mafia but in the last game he posted alot and played well throughout the game, thus scuppering the easy meta read on him people were using.
And yeah I kinda got this from his answer to rayn but thanks for the context!
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Awkward post
Can I ask why you find this post awkward? I don't really feel it's remarkable at all, maybe even ever so slightly townish because mafia would have little incentive to post given the lack of activity.
Likely falling asleep soon.
He spent a bit too much time thinking about his own post for my taste. But could be I read too much into it.
Why hedge on this? I don't get it. Use it to pressure don't just say 'yeah i think this but i might be wrong'.
On June 02 2020 23:31 jeekaka wrote: I can actually see the world where Copcake is town and Scum!Trfel sees Cake's townread of Jock as an easy thing to pick up.
I don't think that Trfel's question about Cake's townread was scummy. To me it just looks somebody who wants people to talk more that game would really start. It would be different if he would have said that Cake is scummy because of that. But I'm still wondering why he said that rayn's first post was scummiest entrance. I mean I don't see how it would be scummiest and I don't see how Trfel can believe that he would get any read about rayn with something like that.
On June 02 2020 08:28 Trfel wrote: Hi all Long time no see!
CopCake, I don't understand why you are townreading Jockmcplop so easily. Why couldn't he say that as mafia?
Wooooo, because I know the feeling of rolling mafia consecutive and then rolling town is fresh air, I said it. Recently of 4 games in 3 I have been mafia so being town here is like... freedom. Not to have to worry about mind games.
On June 02 2020 05:32 CopCake wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:23 CopCake wrote: Just came to say I am town and ready to work with my fellow sushinians!
Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row
I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling.
It is mentally exhaustingggggg!!
Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope.
Ofc there is a small chance he could say that as mafia but he just came up out of nowhere which makes me feel that a town jock is more likely to say that, he feels cheerful. It feels sincere.
Now why are you like all "woooooooo why did cake say that"? I need to check if you haven't played recently BUT if you have you should know jock has been rolling mafia many times lately. I think he and vivax were in a team together last game. And then he was mafia in the game he made fun of HF with a gif.
I think that tone is really easily faked. And you cannot come to thread like "can you guys believe I rolled scum again" so it's actually also very likely thing to fake.
You so eagerly townreading him for it might be TMI or kinda subtly highlighting towniness of your own entry post where you stated you were town.
So I don't really think you are mafia together, but seems like claiming town in the first posts works as counter psychology to me :D
Sorry what does the bolded bit mean?
That when you enter the game by telling you are town it makes me question if you really are :D
You should be questioning that regardless of my opening!
Dunno if I really need to elaborate but I still might :D People don't really expect you to watch them in the eyes and lie, and scum telling they are town is kinda using that presumption in their advantage. Town does not need to do that and I would say I have seen scum just casually claim town more than actual townies. But I guess it's still not aligment indicative per se.
On June 02 2020 23:31 jeekaka wrote: I can actually see the world where Copcake is town and Scum!Trfel sees Cake's townread of Jock as an easy thing to pick up.
I don't think that Trfel's question about Cake's townread was scummy. To me it just looks somebody who wants people to talk more that game would really start. It would be different if he would have said that Cake is scummy because of that. But I'm still wondering why he said that rayn's first post was scummiest entrance. I mean I don't see how it would be scummiest and I don't see how Trfel can believe that he would get any read about rayn with something like that.
On June 02 2020 08:28 Trfel wrote: Hi all Long time no see!
CopCake, I don't understand why you are townreading Jockmcplop so easily. Why couldn't he say that as mafia?
Wooooo, because I know the feeling of rolling mafia consecutive and then rolling town is fresh air, I said it. Recently of 4 games in 3 I have been mafia so being town here is like... freedom. Not to have to worry about mind games.
On June 02 2020 05:32 CopCake wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:23 CopCake wrote: Just came to say I am town and ready to work with my fellow sushinians!
Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row
I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling.
It is mentally exhaustingggggg!!
Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope.
Ofc there is a small chance he could say that as mafia but he just came up out of nowhere which makes me feel that a town jock is more likely to say that, he feels cheerful. It feels sincere.
Now why are you like all "woooooooo why did cake say that"? I need to check if you haven't played recently BUT if you have you should know jock has been rolling mafia many times lately. I think he and vivax were in a team together last game. And then he was mafia in the game he made fun of HF with a gif.
I think that tone is really easily faked. And you cannot come to thread like "can you guys believe I rolled scum again" so it's actually also very likely thing to fake.
You so eagerly townreading him for it might be TMI or kinda subtly highlighting towniness of your own entry post where you stated you were town.
So I don't really think you are mafia together, but seems like claiming town in the first posts works as counter psychology to me :D
Sorry what does the bolded bit mean?
That when you enter the game by telling you are town it makes me question if you really are :D
You should be questioning that regardless of my opening!
Dunno if I really need to elaborate but I still might :D People don't really expect you to watch them in the eyes and lie, and scum telling they are town is kinda using that presumption in their advantage. Town does not need to do that and I would say I have seen scum just casually claim town more than actual townies. But I guess it's still not aligment indicative per se.
Fair enough. There's always a townclaimer on the first page of every game i ever played. I never thought to go see how many of them turned out to be town, I just know there often gets to be a discussion about it.
On June 02 2020 23:31 jeekaka wrote: I can actually see the world where Copcake is town and Scum!Trfel sees Cake's townread of Jock as an easy thing to pick up.
I don't think that Trfel's question about Cake's townread was scummy. To me it just looks somebody who wants people to talk more that game would really start. It would be different if he would have said that Cake is scummy because of that. But I'm still wondering why he said that rayn's first post was scummiest entrance. I mean I don't see how it would be scummiest and I don't see how Trfel can believe that he would get any read about rayn with something like that.
So what do you think Trfel's motives could be?
He wants to look like he is being active and chasing scums or he is just too excited about game and want's to do something. I'm leaning more to the first one because he also just ignored Vivax's rolling mafia post what I would say more intresting post than rayn's hi. To me it seems like he is picking somethings up without any thinking whether answers and/or reactions even can give anything.
Mmmhm I think I read that interaction more like slightly trolling rayn, and I personally would rather not summon rayn's tunnel vision upon me if I was scum :D Dunno what's their mutual meta though.
On June 03 2020 00:39 jeekaka wrote: Mmmhm I think I read that interaction more like slightly trolling rayn, and I personally would rather not summon rayn's tunnel vision upon me if I was scum :D Dunno what's their mutual meta though.
Well I don't remember that rayn would suspect back if you suspect him? So I don't think suspecting rayn would be dangerous thing to do as scum. I mean if you screw up then there's good chance that he will tunnel you but he doesn't tunnel without any reason.
On June 02 2020 14:50 Vivax wrote: In this game i won‘t let you think that i think you are mafia.
what you thought about figuring out about my alignment was something i hoped for after rolling maf and actually posting
I dont understand any of this.
Was a drunk post. Anyway, good morning.
No I don't think you're scum this game. And I hoped that trying to play decently as mafia wouldn't make me so easy to townread.
On June 02 2020 14:58 Trfel wrote:
On June 02 2020 14:31 Vivax wrote:
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Awkward post
Can I ask why you find this post awkward? I don't really feel it's remarkable at all, maybe even ever so slightly townish because mafia would have little incentive to post given the lack of activity.
Likely falling asleep soon.
He spent a bit too much time thinking about his own post for my taste. But could be I read too much into it.
Why hedge on this? I don't get it. Use it to pressure don't just say 'yeah i think this but i might be wrong'.
He seemed excessively self-conscious but the hedge is there because it was an early post, so I guess it can come from town if they don't know what else to talk about.
On June 02 2020 17:46 CopCake wrote: I think mafia is more likely to try to look "Oh look I am working, I am trying to solve the game" and making a lot of posts without actually doing something. I understand where you and others are coming from, but for example, it feels different how you approach me and my read than the way trfl did.
Trfl feels mafia while you feel more town like.
In before "I am trying to pocket you".
Why should I think you want to pocket me?
Because I said you look more town than him, some might find that pocketing specially since you were asking me things.
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.
I dont really have issues with other people so far.
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
Cake's point about Trfel is interesting. I would also be interested to hear why did he asked about Vivax post about akwardnes but didn't ask about rolling mafia thing.
Hello, hello <3
On June 02 2020 23:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
I thought the exact same thing. I'm now going to be very wary of pocketing attempts by copcake. Very eager early townreads can go either way, but it sure makes me suspicious.
Pocketing cake! Nah, tbh I don't care how you see me, I just think you are town for the "feelings", and I feel even more confident to call you town now, for questioning me because pocketing can go both ways, "Oh, look she thinks I am town, I am going to continue and call her town too".
On June 02 2020 23:31 jeekaka wrote: I can actually see the world where Copcake is town and Scum!Trfel sees Cake's townread of Jock as an easy thing to pick up. Cake defending that read might be consistent with them being actually sincere about it (although I still disagree, you cannot really compare two entry posts when the other is a catch up post when game has been going on for pages and the other is one of the first posts of the game).
Cannot totally shake the feeling Copcakes townreads are slightly TMIsh, but having kinda cut read that Copcake/Zey are not W/W.
On June 02 2020 23:31 jeekaka wrote: I can actually see the world where Copcake is town and Scum!Trfel sees Cake's townread of Jock as an easy thing to pick up. Cake defending that read might be consistent with them being actually sincere about it (although I still disagree, you cannot really compare two entry posts when the other is a catch up post when game has been going on for pages and the other is one of the first posts of the game).
Cannot totally shake the feeling Copcakes townreads are slightly TMIsh, but having kinda cut read that Copcake/Zey are not W/W.
I'm considering mostly the copcake is just looking for the reactions to her post as a way of scumhunting rather than worrying about what people are thinking. She was a reaction based player in the last game we played together. Because of this her too scummy to be scum argument actually makes sense.
I'm still open minded about a possible pocketing attempt, but i'm more inclined to see her opening as town copcake.
TBH my read on you wasn't to get a reaction out of you or someone else, I just felt you are town because I am in the same train as you, rolled mafia many times, so it is like pls God. Ofc my read can change eventually but I like where this is going.
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.
I dont really have issues with other people so far.
You currently think mafia is trfel and vivax, am i correct?
Inclined with trfl mafia, vivax feels weird but I am not a "vivax expert". I know he broke his meta last game so I will just be wary of him.
Okay lets start with this;
I cant find why you think Trfel is mafia other than he did something differently than someone else??? What does that mean and ehy does it make him mafia?
If you think Trfel is mafia why did you try to point fingers towards Vivax earlier. He btw called Trfel town out of nowhere, that's something i guess you think "mafia would never do because it's too stupid", right?
I also thought you kindish are considering yourself a vivax expert because you said you were sure he is scum last game when you read D2 when everyone and their moms weee reading vivax town??
On June 02 2020 08:28 Trfel wrote: Hi all Long time no see!
CopCake, I don't understand why you are townreading Jockmcplop so easily. Why couldn't he say that as mafia?
Wooooo, because I know the feeling of rolling mafia consecutive and then rolling town is fresh air, I said it. Recently of 4 games in 3 I have been mafia so being town here is like... freedom. Not to have to worry about mind games.
On June 02 2020 05:32 CopCake wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:23 CopCake wrote: Just came to say I am town and ready to work with my fellow sushinians!
Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row
I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling.
It is mentally exhaustingggggg!!
Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope.
Ofc there is a small chance he could say that as mafia but he just came up out of nowhere which makes me feel that a town jock is more likely to say that, he feels cheerful. It feels sincere.
Now why are you like all "woooooooo why did cake say that"? I need to check if you haven't played recently BUT if you have you should know jock has been rolling mafia many times lately. I think he and vivax were in a team together last game. And then he was mafia in the game he made fun of HF with a gif.
I think that tone is really easily faked. And you cannot come to thread like "can you guys believe I rolled scum again" so it's actually also very likely thing to fake.
You so eagerly townreading him for it might be TMI or kinda subtly highlighting towniness of your own entry post where you stated you were town.
So I don't really think you are mafia together, but seems like claiming town in the first posts works as counter psychology to me :D
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=3 I think mafia is more likely to try to look "Oh look I am working, I am trying to solve the game" and making a lot of posts without actually doing something. I understand where you and others are coming from, but for example, it feels different how you approach me and my read than the way trfl did.
Trfl feels mafia while you feel more town like.
In before "I am trying to pocket you".
Tfrl read. And I just feel it, it feels scummy how he did it. My read can change? yes. I am not locking. My most locked read is Jock.
And am I a vivax expert now? Nice. Well there's no much to make a read of him and if I have one I wouldn't share it, maybe because my reasons could be stupid tbf. You know, "right from wrong reasons".
I am sorry but i cant know how or why it feels scummy to you "how he did it" unless you elaborate on it. Because all i see is trfel "calling you out" on same thing than jeekaka and to some extent me but for some reason one is scummy and others arent.
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
Cake's point about Trfel is interesting. I would also be interested to hear why did he asked about Vivax post about akwardnes but didn't ask about rolling mafia thing.
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.
I dont really have issues with other people so far.
You know me, I personally think D1 is the worst day of the game. I wasn't playing dumb with the player list, I was just honestly curious who jeekaka is
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.
I dont really have issues with other people so far.
You know me, I personally think D1 is the worst day of the game. I wasn't playing dumb with the player list, I was just honestly curious who jeekaka is
Well she's my friend from the finnish mafia forum like she said before game start. Just like Zey is.
D1 is definitely the worst day, obviously since the starting information is zero, but there is no reason you cant have shit done on D1's. The good days, i think it was '14 or '15 when TL towns lynched mafia D1 like 50% of the games (yes, that actually happened).
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.
I dont really have issues with other people so far.
You know me, I personally think D1 is the worst day of the game. I wasn't playing dumb with the player list, I was just honestly curious who jeekaka is
Well she's my friend from the finnish mafia forum like she said before game start. Just like Zey is.
D1 is definitely the worst day, obviously since the starting information is zero, but there is no reason you cant have shit done on D1's. The good days, i think it was '14 or '15 when TL towns lynched mafia D1 like 50% of the games (yes, that actually happened).
Are you a platypus or am i a mind reader?
I've actually only been reading what I can. I read the rules, yada yada, and then bounced since I'm dealing with a lot of things here in the U.S
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.
I dont really have issues with other people so far.
You know me, I personally think D1 is the worst day of the game. I wasn't playing dumb with the player list, I was just honestly curious who jeekaka is
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.
I dont really have issues with other people so far.
You know me, I personally think D1 is the worst day of the game. I wasn't playing dumb with the player list, I was just honestly curious who jeekaka is
Yeah. And you said you thought about jock and cake being mafia. But idk why?
On June 03 2020 04:25 ShoCkeyy wrote: You asked me what my thoughts were on your post that I quoted?? It talks about cop and jock, or am I mistaken?
Is this the correct post you're referring to?
On June 03 2020 03:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 03 2020 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 02 2020 22:33 Zey wrote: Hi everyone!
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.
I dont really have issues with other people so far.
You know me, I personally think D1 is the worst day of the game. I wasn't playing dumb with the player list, I was just honestly curious who jeekaka is
Yeah. And you said you thought about jock and cake being mafia. But idk why?
Because the possibility is there, just like a shock and jock mafia team... COP and PLOP nah mean? These mods like rhyming teams ;D
On June 02 2020 17:46 CopCake wrote: I think mafia is more likely to try to look "Oh look I am working, I am trying to solve the game" and making a lot of posts without actually doing something. I understand where you and others are coming from, but for example, it feels different how you approach me and my read than the way trfl did.
Trfl feels mafia while you feel more town like.
In before "I am trying to pocket you".
Why should I think you want to pocket me?
Because I said you look more town than him, some might find that pocketing specially since you were asking me things.
Hmm yeah now that I checked it might been misinterpretation from my part, as I took it more addressed straight to me. I don't know if I can explain this, but it felt like you thinking I would suspect you of pocketing me would imply you were more sure of me being town than you should. But maybe suspecting someone of it is more of a thing here lol.
Also felt bit off that you are so conscious about this. Like, should I think you want to pocket me??? :D This is a bit like thing rayn pointed out, like you react to things you are never been actually blamed for.
I already told earlier why could Jock townread be too much info and why would a wolf wanna share that. And if someone's I have came to somewhat townread Jock myself also.
Hope that explained a bit why it feels to me that you might know more than you should :D
raynpelikoneet wrote: I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Thanks. I would also say that in most cases this is scum behavior, but I'm not sure about Cake. When we have played resistance she seems like player who does play with emotion. Like she would take accusations very seriously etc. I would be interested what others think, is this something Cake would do more likely as scum?
CopCake wrote: So hey Zey, do you think tfrl is town or not?
Not.
CopCake wrote: Tfrl read. And I just feel it, it feels scummy how he did it. My read can change? yes. I am not locking. My most locked read is Jock.
Wait. Your read about Tfrel has changed? I tried to read your post again but still I don't notice that. Can you tell how and why your opinion has changed?
Zey wrote: Cake's point about Trfel is interesting. I would also be interested to hear why did he asked about Vivax post about akwardnes but didn't ask about rolling mafia thing.
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Awkward post
Can I ask why you find this post awkward? I don't really feel it's remarkable at all, maybe even ever so slightly townish because mafia would have little incentive to post given the lack of activity.
Likely falling asleep soon.
He picks up Vivaxs "Awkward post" but not Vivaxs post where he said he rolled mafia. I would like to know why that wasn't interesting enough to him to be picked up.
On June 02 2020 23:31 jeekaka wrote: I can actually see the world where Copcake is town and Scum!Trfel sees Cake's townread of Jock as an easy thing to pick up.
I don't think that Trfel's question about Cake's townread was scummy. To me it just looks somebody who wants people to talk more that game would really start. It would be different if he would have said that Cake is scummy because of that. But I'm still wondering why he said that rayn's first post was scummiest entrance. I mean I don't see how it would be scummiest and I don't see how Trfel can believe that he would get any read about rayn with something like that.
So what do you think Trfel's motives could be?
He wants to look like he is being active and chasing scums or he is just too excited about game and want's to do something. I'm leaning more to the first one because he also just ignored Vivax's rolling mafia post what I would say more intresting post than rayn's hi. To me it seems like he is picking somethings up without any thinking whether answers and/or reactions even can give anything.
Seems like she's calling trfel town while claiming that he's not looking in the right place for scum, but if this was how i was thinking i would be suspicious that trfel ignores vivax's interesting post in favour of SRing you for 'hi!' and I'd probably be at least a little bit curious as to why. There's no attempt to engage with trfel. The explanation that trfel was just being active and chasing scum doesn't make sense if trfel is ignoring the interesting stuff in the thread.
Obviously trfel was trolling but i'm trying to see it from zey's POV.
She's assigning town motives to trfel, while also saying he's missing things (undermining) and not attempting to engage him about it.
Jock wrote: Seems like she's calling trfel town while claiming that he's not looking in the right place for scum, but if this was how i was thinking i would be suspicious that trfel ignores vivax's interesting post in favour of SRing you for 'hi!' and I'd probably be at least a little bit curious as to why.
I'm not thinking that he is ignoring Vivax if you was saying that. He asked why Vivax thought someones post was awkward so I don't think he's ignoring Vivax.
Jock wrote: The explanation that trfel was just being active and chasing scum doesn't make sense if trfel is ignoring the interesting stuff in the thread.
Yeah, but it is only town reason I can think of and you asked motives (not motive) so I thought you wanted to hear his motive as scum and town.
Jock wrote: Seems like she's calling trfel town while claiming that he's not looking in the right place for scum, but if this was how i was thinking i would be suspicious that trfel ignores vivax's interesting post in favour of SRing you for 'hi!' and I'd probably be at least a little bit curious as to why.
I'm not thinking that he is ignoring Vivax if you was saying that. He asked why Vivax thought someones post was awkward so I don't think he's ignoring Vivax.
Jock wrote: The explanation that trfel was just being active and chasing scum doesn't make sense if trfel is ignoring the interesting stuff in the thread.
Yeah, but it is only town reason I can think of and you asked motives (not motive) so I thought you wanted to hear his motive as scum and town.
So you made something up so you could tell me what you thought i wanted to hear?
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.
I dont really have issues with other people so far.
And no, vivax wasnt saying he rolled scum. He was referring to the last game where he was scum and i completely misread him as he normally rolls over and dies as mafia but there he actually played a shit strong mafia game.
I am gonna tell you a story that has nothing to do with this game except that it does: + Show Spoiler +
when i started playing here i think around 2010, i was in a big game and i was really pumped to find mafia. I get to even work with Palmar (who is my hero from what he said to me and other people that game ) and i think i did well. Except that i was not that good at english at the time and spelled a specific word wrongly. After i got killed, by the mafia, because me the newbie was a fucking threat on D4, a "specific figure of TL mafia at that time" came to PM me that i got killed "because i couldnt even spell a word" as he was mad at his own terrible performance in that said game. What was i supposed to do at that point? Especially when he was helping to mod the game after his own death. Me the newbie, I went and ruined another game because for anyone who knows me and my wrath that's what i do. kitaman still has me in his top 10 "game ruiners" without any knowledge of what actually happened (other than that i exploited his mafia/mafia chat in that game as a fucking newbie and i am PROUD OF IT!! )
So i had to try really hard to get Zey to play this game because she isnt that experienced in english. I am not asking to cut her leeway for reads but cut her leeway for language. The jock argument (trfel) thing i see rn is language. That's what i am talking about. I dont want anyone to go through something i did here.
On June 03 2020 05:37 Vivax wrote: Rayn I read you town from tone and general inquisitiveness. Not something I'm feeling like wrapping in more complex words.
Okay. I am going to believe you when you give me a lynch target that is appropriate.
On June 03 2020 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna tell you a story that has nothing to do with this game except that it does: + Show Spoiler +
when i started playing here i think around 2010, i was in a big game and i was really pumped to find mafia. I get to even work with Palmar (who is my hero from what he said to me and other people that game ) and i think i did well. Except that i was not that good at english at the time and spelled a specific word wrongly. After i got killed, by the mafia, because me the newbie was a fucking threat on D4, a "specific figure of TL mafia at that time" came to PM me that i got killed "because i couldnt even spell a word" as he was mad at his own terrible performance in that said game. What was i supposed to do at that point? Especially when he was helping to mod the game after his own death. Me the newbie, I went and ruined another game because for anyone who knows me and my wrath that's what i do. kitaman still has me in his top 10 "game ruiners" without any knowledge of what actually happened (other than that i exploited his mafia/mafia chat in that game as a fucking newbie and i am PROUD OF IT!! )
So i had to try really hard to get Zey to play this game because she isnt that experienced in english. I am not asking to cut her leeway for reads but cut her leeway for language. The jock argument (trfel) thing i see rn is language. That's what i am talking about. I dont want anyone to go through something i did here.
You're harshing my buzz dude lol.
I did consider whether it was a language thing, i think moreso with my last post before this one, but i was also trying to put some pressure on because i don't know zey and was curious how she would react, but now i feel bad Your post seems genuine though.
I grew up on TL, Europe/USwest servers of broodwar, and understand there is language barriers. Shit I’m from the US and probably write like total shit, that doesn’t bother me one bit in the game of Mafia.
On June 03 2020 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna tell you a story that has nothing to do with this game except that it does: + Show Spoiler +
when i started playing here i think around 2010, i was in a big game and i was really pumped to find mafia. I get to even work with Palmar (who is my hero from what he said to me and other people that game ) and i think i did well. Except that i was not that good at english at the time and spelled a specific word wrongly. After i got killed, by the mafia, because me the newbie was a fucking threat on D4, a "specific figure of TL mafia at that time" came to PM me that i got killed "because i couldnt even spell a word" as he was mad at his own terrible performance in that said game. What was i supposed to do at that point? Especially when he was helping to mod the game after his own death. Me the newbie, I went and ruined another game because for anyone who knows me and my wrath that's what i do. kitaman still has me in his top 10 "game ruiners" without any knowledge of what actually happened (other than that i exploited his mafia/mafia chat in that game as a fucking newbie and i am PROUD OF IT!! )
So i had to try really hard to get Zey to play this game because she isnt that experienced in english. I am not asking to cut her leeway for reads but cut her leeway for language. The jock argument (trfel) thing i see rn is language. That's what i am talking about. I dont want anyone to go through something i did here.
You're harshing my buzz dude lol.
I did consider whether it was a language thing, i think moreso with my last post before this one, but i was also trying to put some pressure on because i don't know zey and was curious how she would react, but now i feel bad Your post seems genuine though.
you do what you do man. i dont even kno0w if zey is mafia or not, i am just saying i dont want people to shit on people on false premises.
Jock wrote: So you made something up so you could tell me what you thought i wanted to hear?
No. You asked what I think could be his motives as town and as scum. And that was what I told you. I don't know any other reason why town would do that.
rayn wrote: And no, vivax wasnt saying he rolled scum. He was referring to the last game where he was scum and i completely misread him as he normally rolls over and dies as mafia but there he actually played a shit strong mafia game.
Oh, that make sense. Maybe I should read that part again keeping this in my mind.
Sho wrote: Why is Zey removing the time stamps? That seems scummy as hell to try and paint a narrative that can be falsified later in the game
:O
Because I'm used to just copy text and write by myself the quote stuff and I'm too lazy to figure out about time. If you want me to use time stamps please tell me how I can do easily multiple quotes in the same post without writing them by myself.
raynpelikoneet wrote: So i had to try really hard to get Zey to play this game because she isnt that experienced in english. I am not asking to cut her leeway for reads but cut her leeway for language. The jock argument (trfel) thing i see rn is language. That's what i am talking about. I dont want anyone to go through something i did here.
Thanks rayn but it's ok. Last time when I played in english I swore that I would never ever play in english again. And here I am. So if I get more accusations because my bad english, its okay. I'm prepared for it. :D
Jock wrote: So you made something up so you could tell me what you thought i wanted to hear?
No. You asked what I think could be his motives as town and as scum. And that was what I told you. I don't know any other reason why town would do that.
rayn wrote: And no, vivax wasnt saying he rolled scum. He was referring to the last game where he was scum and i completely misread him as he normally rolls over and dies as mafia but there he actually played a shit strong mafia game.
Oh, that make sense. Maybe I should read that part again keeping this in my mind.
Sho wrote: Why is Zey removing the time stamps? That seems scummy as hell to try and paint a narrative that can be falsified later in the game
:O
Because I'm used to just copy text and write by myself the quote stuff and I'm too lazy to figure out about time. If you want me to use time stamps please tell me how I can do easily multiple quotes in the same post without writing them by myself.
raynpelikoneet wrote: So i had to try really hard to get Zey to play this game because she isnt that experienced in english. I am not asking to cut her leeway for reads but cut her leeway for language. The jock argument (trfel) thing i see rn is language. That's what i am talking about. I dont want anyone to go through something i did here.
Thanks rayn but it's ok. Last time when I played in english I swore that I would never ever play in english again. And here I am. So if I get more accusations because my bad english, its okay. I'm prepared for it. :D
Hmmm it should be automatically included with quotes, maybe it's a user setting now? but don't stress it. I'll catch you later anyways if you are mafia ;D
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
I recall D1 as being the most active of days and things slowing to a crawl after the player-pool slims down. Kinda nice to only have ~6 pages to catchup on after spending the day out.
As for cake stuff, meh seems like a weak tonal thing imo. Sure mafia could say it, but somebody rerolling mafia for the nth time? It's gunna come out awkward and forced.
On June 02 2020 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sorry, it's morning. I am mostly grumpy at mornings. Dont worry though, it'll get interesting. I personally joined this game mostly because i actually have to fogure out Vivax' alignment for once..
This post bugs me a bit, either the change in tone or the fact I'm not sure what the bit about Vivax means.
Will stop replying and posting to everything that catches my eye, and proceed more on a page by page catchup.
Like the engagement between rayn/cake at end of pg5, rayn is chasing the weird shit that catches his interest and cake feels pretty flowing and natural. Both feel pretty town.
On June 02 2020 08:28 Trfel wrote: Hi all Long time no see!
CopCake, I don't understand why you are townreading Jockmcplop so easily. Why couldn't he say that as mafia?
Wooooo, because I know the feeling of rolling mafia consecutive and then rolling town is fresh air, I said it. Recently of 4 games in 3 I have been mafia so being town here is like... freedom. Not to have to worry about mind games.
On June 02 2020 05:32 CopCake wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:23 CopCake wrote: Just came to say I am town and ready to work with my fellow sushinians!
Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row
I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling.
It is mentally exhaustingggggg!!
Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope.
Ofc there is a small chance he could say that as mafia but he just came up out of nowhere which makes me feel that a town jock is more likely to say that, he feels cheerful. It feels sincere.
Now why are you like all "woooooooo why did cake say that"? I need to check if you haven't played recently BUT if you have you should know jock has been rolling mafia many times lately. I think he and vivax were in a team together last game. And then he was mafia in the game he made fun of HF with a gif.
I think that tone is really easily faked. And you cannot come to thread like "can you guys believe I rolled scum again" so it's actually also very likely thing to fake.
You so eagerly townreading him for it might be TMI or kinda subtly highlighting towniness of your own entry post where you stated you were town.
So I don't really think you are mafia together, but seems like claiming town in the first posts works as counter psychology to me :D
Flagged this post for myself earlier and now it's working it's way into this post. The framing jeeka uses in the first line feels off to me, and the last line is sorta calling cake mafia but not really.
On June 02 2020 23:21 Jockmcplop wrote: Not quite sure what to make of Vivax's opening. His thing about not letting rayn know if he scumreads him is interesting and I don't think we should forget that he posted that.
Like this from Jock.
ShoCkeyy makes earth shattering posts and I am up to pg8 but need to grab some dinner.
Liking Cake, Rayn, and Jock for town atm. I wanna call trfel town too, partially for feels and partially kus I don't know why he would defend my 2nd post like he did if mafia.
On June 03 2020 05:48 ShoCkeyy wrote: Why is Zey removing the time stamps? That seems scummy as hell to try and paint a narrative that can be falsified later in the game
:O
On June 03 2020 05:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: You do you Zey, just saying on my end it looks scummy, you don't have to change anything about it, doesn't mean I'm calling you mafia (just yet ;D)
The fuck is this?
"Zey is Mafia!
Psst- Hey Zey, don't worry buddy I had to say it, we cool?"
So pretty solid on Cake/Rayn/Jock being my towncircle.
I still wanna call trfel town, but there is a wifom thing that has wondering if I'm giving him a pass too easy.
Vivax has made almost zero impression on me despite seeming to think I'm mafia?
Jeeka feels odd to me, but I'm glad rayn made that language post because both Jeeka and Zey have been a little hard for me to read as I'm not totally sure I'm following their post logic.
Sho is clearly actively doing nothing and shitting up the game. It's actually confounding to me that nobody else has called it out. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy
On June 03 2020 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i guess you at least read the post you originally quoted. Do you have anything to say about it?
Idk I actually thought what if Cop and Plop were mafia just like Jock and Shock :D But then to think Jock/Plop got mafia again? Holy fuck the luck.
Officially the most confusing post I have read this game... this is after reading the rest of the page and coming back to it.
Even moreso when I realize that Jocks full name IS Jockmcplop... Jock/plop...
You’re the only one confused :/ I restarted my answer to Rayn so idk if you actually read the rest of the thread.
I did, and I still don't actually know who you are referring to or what you might be trying to say with that post. I pinged it as I was hoping someone might help me with it a bit.
Ultimately though it's not really important as I find the fact that you are spending a fair bit of time in the game yet not really playing pretty anti-town. Which if it was just shit posting I would say it was NAI (though still bad for the game) but you've feigned taking some stances without taking any stances which is actively scummy.
I have absolutely no useful thoughts. And there's a deadline tomorrow, how unfortunate
I'll be around filtering people for a bit but I will likely go to sleep soon.
I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it.
On June 03 2020 14:46 ShoCkeyy wrote: Trfel what are your thoughts of tiktok on me?
Frankly your filter is kinda awful, in fact you're my top scumread currently. You've posted so much but I have no idea what your reads are except for maybe a random, reason-less scumread of Vivax? So if Tictock is suspicious if you then that's fine by me!
Tictock has been explaining his reads, I see no real reason to suspect him yet.
@Tictoc, I have noticed my logic can be hard to follow in general :D
I have somewhat similar problem with Zey, I usually just dont get her locig and my initial feelings often are that she's scum. Like here now I think I have totally opposite views of Trefl (like asking "what do you guys think of Copcaces townreads" could be scummy, if sniffing threadfeel before pushing Cake mislynch, but that rayn thing NAI or even townish). Soulread of Cake is a thing she does, that time stamp thing is being used to a different forum software. I don't see anything alarming about Zey, but nothing to really townread her either.
@Vivax, did you elaborate your Trefl reads somewhere?
On June 03 2020 14:41 Trfel wrote: I have absolutely no useful thoughts. And there's a deadline tomorrow, how unfortunate
I'll be around filtering people for a bit but I will likely go to sleep soon.
I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it.
Work is apparently shit today and i have a friend coming over later so i am not sure how much i can be here today. I try to make some time at some point.
- I've learned Vivax is usually afk when maf (expect in his last game) - rolling mafia consecutive times is exhausting - Vivax does not really seem very inclined to answering questions here
- I think Tictock has a good point about ShoCkeyy
I was about to say that these two are certainly not mafia together, because Sho is voting Vivax, but when I checked that it's not actually the case. So now I'm wondering if this could be scum theatre for towncreds to Sho when Vivax is not up to an another top performance.
On June 03 2020 17:40 jeekaka wrote: Ok putting on my tinfoil hat.
- I've learned Vivax is usually afk when maf (expect in his last game) - rolling mafia consecutive times is exhausting - Vivax does not really seem very inclined to answering questions here
- I think Tictock has a good point about ShoCkeyy
I was about to say that these two are certainly not mafia together, because Sho is voting Vivax, but when I checked that it's not actually the case. So now I'm wondering if this could be scum theatre for towncreds to Sho when Vivax is not up to an another top performance.
Honestly I think its unlikely that shockeyy would fakevote a mafia buddy as his first post in the thread.
On June 03 2020 17:40 jeekaka wrote: Ok putting on my tinfoil hat.
- I've learned Vivax is usually afk when maf (expect in his last game) - rolling mafia consecutive times is exhausting - Vivax does not really seem very inclined to answering questions here
- I think Tictock has a good point about ShoCkeyy
I was about to say that these two are certainly not mafia together, because Sho is voting Vivax, but when I checked that it's not actually the case. So now I'm wondering if this could be scum theatre for towncreds to Sho when Vivax is not up to an another top performance.
Honestly I think its unlikely that shockeyy would fakevote a mafia buddy as his first post in the thread.
They are both independently suspicious though.
Yeah you are probably right and that's maybe a bit too straightforward theory, because I think that (if I'm not missing something) everyone else than Vivax and Shockeyy has at least tried to do something to solve :D
Some other general thoughts:
I think Jock has been helpful and made some good points. Also I think I'm somewhat in the same page with rayn (even though he is capable of puppet mastering me even if he's scum but this far I think it's genuine). And I liked Ticktocks takes as well.
As I said earlier, I don't think Zey and Cake are w/w. It's maybe more an educated guess, but as Zey is a bit out of her comfort zone (and would be even more so if scum) it's hard to imagine that she would just come in hard defending scummate Cake and then they would start pushing Trefl together. There are things that pinged me about Cake, but I can also see where her takes on Jock, me and Trefl could come from in a sincere mindset. Actually I'm kinda drawn to the world where Zey and Cake are both town and right about Trefl :D
On June 03 2020 04:25 ShoCkeyy wrote: You asked me what my thoughts were on your post that I quoted?? It talks about cop and jock, or am I mistaken?
Is this the correct post you're referring to?
On June 03 2020 03:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 03 2020 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 02 2020 22:33 Zey wrote: Hi everyone!
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.
I dont really have issues with other people so far.
You know me, I personally think D1 is the worst day of the game. I wasn't playing dumb with the player list, I was just honestly curious who jeekaka is
Yeah. And you said you thought about jock and cake being mafia. But idk why?
Because the possibility is there, just like a shock and jock mafia team... COP and PLOP nah mean? These mods like rhyming teams ;D
raynpelikoneet wrote: I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Thanks. I would also say that in most cases this is scum behavior, but I'm not sure about Cake. When we have played resistance she seems like player who does play with emotion. Like she would take accusations very seriously etc. I would be interested what others think, is this something Cake would do more likely as scum?
CopCake wrote: Tfrl read. And I just feel it, it feels scummy how he did it. My read can change? yes. I am not locking. My most locked read is Jock.
Wait. Your read about Tfrel has changed? I tried to read your post again but still I don't notice that. Can you tell how and why your opinion has changed?
Zey wrote: Cake's point about Trfel is interesting. I would also be interested to hear why did he asked about Vivax post about akwardnes but didn't ask about rolling mafia thing.
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Awkward post
Can I ask why you find this post awkward? I don't really feel it's remarkable at all, maybe even ever so slightly townish because mafia would have little incentive to post given the lack of activity.
Likely falling asleep soon.
He picks up Vivaxs "Awkward post" but not Vivaxs post where he said he rolled mafia. I would like to know why that wasn't interesting enough to him to be picked up.
Nah, I think tfrl is scummy BUT my read can change as the game progresses. I can't just say "This guy is mafia" and stick to it forever, unless I tunnel vision but that hasn't happened yet.
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.
I dont really have issues with other people so far.
I am so mafia it hurts.
yes
poor me.
On June 03 2020 05:48 ShoCkeyy wrote: Why is Zey removing the time stamps? That seems scummy as hell to try and paint a narrative that can be falsified later in the game
:O
On June 03 2020 05:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: You do you Zey, just saying on my end it looks scummy, you don't have to change anything about it, doesn't mean I'm calling you mafia (just yet ;D)
x 2
On June 03 2020 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol now i wish i was mafia with zey, i'd had a game winning ate..
This would have only worked with me, Jeekaka seems she doesn't give shit and would kill mafia right away. So idk why this comment.
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
I recall D1 as being the most active of days and things slowing to a crawl after the player-pool slims down. Kinda nice to only have ~6 pages to catchup on after spending the day out.
As for cake stuff, meh seems like a weak tonal thing imo. Sure mafia could say it, but somebody rerolling mafia for the nth time? It's gunna come out awkward and forced.
Interesting opinion. (:
¡Hey tictock!
What are your reads and which is your favorite type of sushi? (not in the games, just in general)
On June 03 2020 17:40 jeekaka wrote: Ok putting on my tinfoil hat.
- I've learned Vivax is usually afk when maf (expect in his last game) - rolling mafia consecutive times is exhausting - Vivax does not really seem very inclined to answering questions here
- I think Tictock has a good point about ShoCkeyy
I was about to say that these two are certainly not mafia together, because Sho is voting Vivax, but when I checked that it's not actually the case. So now I'm wondering if this could be scum theatre for towncreds to Sho when Vivax is not up to an another top performance.
Honestly I think its unlikely that shockeyy would fakevote a mafia buddy as his first post in the thread.
They are both independently suspicious though.
Yeah you are probably right and that's maybe a bit too straightforward theory, because I think that (if I'm not missing something) everyone else than Vivax and Shockeyy has at least tried to do something to solve :D
Some other general thoughts:
I think Jock has been helpful and made some good points. Also I think I'm somewhat in the same page with rayn (even though he is capable of puppet mastering me even if he's scum but this far I think it's genuine). And I liked Ticktocks takes as well.
As I said earlier, I don't think Zey and Cake are w/w. It's maybe more an educated guess, but as Zey is a bit out of her comfort zone (and would be even more so if scum) it's hard to imagine that she would just come in hard defending scummate Cake and then they would start pushing Trefl together. There are things that pinged me about Cake, but I can also see where her takes on Jock, me and Trefl could come from in a sincere mindset. Actually I'm kinda drawn to the world where Zey and Cake are both town and right about Trefl :D
On June 03 2020 19:02 Jockmcplop wrote: Not the mama!
Ahahahahaha I also loved that show a lot as a child. :D
What do you think of Vivax so far?
He seems non committal, with the drunk posting and then hedging on ticktock's 'awkward post', so i'm leaning scum but there isn't enough in his iso for a good read yet.
On June 03 2020 14:46 ShoCkeyy wrote: Trfel what are your thoughts of tiktok on me?
Frankly your filter is kinda awful, in fact you're my top scumread currently. You've posted so much but I have no idea what your reads are except for maybe a random, reason-less scumread of Vivax? So if Tictock is suspicious if you then that's fine by me!
Tictock has been explaining his reads, I see no real reason to suspect him yet.
I don’t have reads, did you think of that? It’s D1 as I mentioned.
If I had to give reads, I think cop, tick, or trfel are possibly mafia because they were the fastest to paint me as mafia, and we all know mafia likes to use me as a scape goat
I have a PoE of cop, TT, zey. Everyone else did something that made me think they were town. A quick rundown of my TRs:
Jock already different from his scum game in that he is more fluid with his posts and makes them clearer to read through. Rayn cause went after cop early, inquisitive etc. I don't think it's a tough choice to not lynch him D1 here. Shockeyy's vote on me strikes me as townie already cause it's a vote where you don't know how serious it is and looks like he has fun with the game and looks lighthearted. Jeekaka I townread just for the 'would be funny if x and y were mafia together' alone. Just too chill of a post while calling ppl possible mafia to come from scum imo. Trfel town imo because of his smug early post towards rayn's entrance.
As for why I think cop is scum, is that she usually has a hard time seeing me as town when she's town even when I feel like I play a very strong town game. Here she is way more cautious with how she reads me and probably thinks she could make it look like she's distancing from me.
For zey. I think her posts are worded a bit too complex than what they need to be. Looks a bit like she's looking into too many places at once. But could be the English thing rayn mentioned.
TT pretty much still for his self-conscious entrance, also his 'I'm going to go into catch-up post by post'-mode feels like he has a bit of trouble getting a feeling for the game.
On June 03 2020 20:43 Vivax wrote:As for why I think cop is scum, is that she usually has a hard time seeing me as town when she's town even when I feel like I play a very strong town game. Here she is way more cautious with how she reads me and probably thinks she could make it look like she's distancing from me.
Discounting your previous post do you think you have been playing a strong town game and regardless of that, isn't cake approaching the read on you exactly as you said she would do if town???
On June 03 2020 20:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: If I had to give reads, I think cop, tick, or trfel are possibly mafia because they were the fastest to paint me as mafia, and we all know mafia likes to use me as a scape goat
On June 03 2020 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure if Trfel backing off from scumreading Cake is genuine.
I was thinking Trfel continues making kinda easy scumreads and does not seem very committed to them.
Shockeyy's vote on me strikes me as townie already cause it's a vote where you don't know how serious it is and looks like he has fun with the game and looks lighthearted.
I mean like: -cake says jock is town -trfel jumps onnit because the post is very essy to fake as mafia -cake says jock sounded sincere -trfel is happy
Like what?? First of all what other reason is cake gonna give for the tead than basically that she thinks jock is telling the truth as town here (being sincere). Whats the point of the original questioning even? Another thing is the part i colored red. How is it possible Trfel accepts this as a viable answer from a townie when he literally thinks its an easy post to fake (aka you cannot in any way tell if it is sincere or not)?
FYI jeekaka and Zey, in vase you havent noticed there is the "filter" button below each post. That takes you to only said person's posts in a threaded mode (aka filter).
On June 03 2020 20:43 Vivax wrote:As for why I think cop is scum, is that she usually has a hard time seeing me as town when she's town even when I feel like I play a very strong town game. Here she is way more cautious with how she reads me and probably thinks she could make it look like she's distancing from me.
Discounting your previous post do you think you have been playing a strong town game and regardless of that, isn't cake approaching the read on you exactly as you said she would do if town???
Regardless of how I play, she tends to be suspicious of me when town. Even when I think I'm very obvious town, which I am not this game.
@jee Yeah is it a vote, is it not a vote? It doesn't matter but I don't think it's a mafia move to go for a vote-or-maybe-not here.
I think I have a good lynch pool. But it feels like this game I am asked a lot to rehash my townreads instead.
Votes are not counted unless posted in the Voting Thread! Voting is mandatory!
Plurality Lynch: The person with the most votes gets lynched. in the event of a tie, the player that first received enough votes will be lynched. until deadline.
On June 03 2020 22:21 CopCake wrote: Aren't I one of those players you avoid to read because I make no sense Vivax?
Since when do I have a meta in how I read you when town or mafia?
How many times have you seen me as mafia?
Irrelevant. What's relevant is that if you are town, you aren't convincing of not being one of the mafias in my lynch pool because you decided to give zey a pass with ??? in your list and you townread Ticktock for unknown reasons in less than 10 minutes afterwards
Hey tictock!
What are your reads and which is your favorite type of sushi? (not in the games, just in general)
What did TT post previously? His Shockeyy-read and last post, then you ask him about his reads again as if interested in them, but decide to townread him anyway. You are fairly comfortable having TT as town, but passed him a question for its own sake.
That said, TTs case on Shockeyy is hyperbole. 'Shitting up the thread'. You can't be as confident as TT is that it makes Shockeyy mafia (who is hard to read) unless you decided beforehand you were going to push him imho.
Sho is clearly actively doing nothing and shitting up the game. It's actually confounding to me that nobody else has called it out.
On June 03 2020 20:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: If I had to give reads, I think cop, tick, or trfel are possibly mafia because they were the fastest to paint me as mafia, and we all know mafia likes to use me as a scape goat
On June 03 2020 18:55 CopCake wrote: TL; DR
I do think that Jock and Tiktock are 100% town.
I was about to say Jeekaka was also town but... let's say 90% sure.
I would call out shockey but he always do scummy shit even as town so I am like...
I am also surprised no one has pointed that out.
Am I mafia for thinking like you??????
You got mad because I said you ignored my question and decided to call me mafia?
Btw, not you ignored again my question.
On June 03 2020 18:48 CopCake wrote: Shockey since you ignored my question, I am going to ask a new one.
You think there is a world in which me and jock are mafia together?
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
I recall D1 as being the most active of days and things slowing to a crawl after the player-pool slims down. Kinda nice to only have ~6 pages to catchup on after spending the day out.
As for cake stuff, meh seems like a weak tonal thing imo. Sure mafia could say it, but somebody rerolling mafia for the nth time? It's gunna come out awkward and forced.
I liked this from TT
On June 03 2020 10:11 Tictock wrote: Will stop replying and posting to everything that catches my eye, and proceed more on a page by page catchup.
Like the engagement between rayn/cake at end of pg5, rayn is chasing the weird shit that catches his interest and cake feels pretty flowing and natural. Both feel pretty town.
On June 02 2020 08:28 Trfel wrote: Hi all Long time no see!
CopCake, I don't understand why you are townreading Jockmcplop so easily. Why couldn't he say that as mafia?
Wooooo, because I know the feeling of rolling mafia consecutive and then rolling town is fresh air, I said it. Recently of 4 games in 3 I have been mafia so being town here is like... freedom. Not to have to worry about mind games.
On June 02 2020 05:32 CopCake wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 02 2020 04:23 CopCake wrote: Just came to say I am town and ready to work with my fellow sushinians!
Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row
I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling.
It is mentally exhaustingggggg!!
Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope.
Ofc there is a small chance he could say that as mafia but he just came up out of nowhere which makes me feel that a town jock is more likely to say that, he feels cheerful. It feels sincere.
Now why are you like all "woooooooo why did cake say that"? I need to check if you haven't played recently BUT if you have you should know jock has been rolling mafia many times lately. I think he and vivax were in a team together last game. And then he was mafia in the game he made fun of HF with a gif.
I think that tone is really easily faked. And you cannot come to thread like "can you guys believe I rolled scum again" so it's actually also very likely thing to fake.
You so eagerly townreading him for it might be TMI or kinda subtly highlighting towniness of your own entry post where you stated you were town.
So I don't really think you are mafia together, but seems like claiming town in the first posts works as counter psychology to me :D
Flagged this post for myself earlier and now it's working it's way into this post. The framing jeeka uses in the first line feels off to me, and the last line is sorta calling cake mafia but not really.
On June 02 2020 23:21 Jockmcplop wrote: Not quite sure what to make of Vivax's opening. His thing about not letting rayn know if he scumreads him is interesting and I don't think we should forget that he posted that.
Like this from Jock.
ShoCkeyy makes earth shattering posts and I am up to pg8 but need to grab some dinner.
Liking Cake, Rayn, and Jock for town atm. I wanna call trfel town too, partially for feels and partially kus I don't know why he would defend my 2nd post like he did if mafia.
I also liked this post. I disagree a little bit with his Jeeka read but I like his process.
On June 03 2020 04:25 ShoCkeyy wrote: You asked me what my thoughts were on your post that I quoted?? It talks about cop and jock, or am I mistaken?
Is this the correct post you're referring to?
On June 03 2020 03:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 03 2020 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 02 2020 22:33 Zey wrote: Hi everyone!
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.
I dont really have issues with other people so far.
You know me, I personally think D1 is the worst day of the game. I wasn't playing dumb with the player list, I was just honestly curious who jeekaka is
Yeah. And you said you thought about jock and cake being mafia. But idk why?
Because the possibility is there, just like a shock and jock mafia team... COP and PLOP nah mean? These mods like rhyming teams ;D
raynpelikoneet wrote: I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Thanks. I would also say that in most cases this is scum behavior, but I'm not sure about Cake. When we have played resistance she seems like player who does play with emotion. Like she would take accusations very seriously etc. I would be interested what others think, is this something Cake would do more likely as scum?
CopCake wrote: So hey Zey, do you think tfrl is town or not?
Not.
CopCake wrote: Tfrl read. And I just feel it, it feels scummy how he did it. My read can change? yes. I am not locking. My most locked read is Jock.
Wait. Your read about Tfrel has changed? I tried to read your post again but still I don't notice that. Can you tell how and why your opinion has changed?
raynpelikoneet wrote:
Zey wrote: Cake's point about Trfel is interesting. I would also be interested to hear why did he asked about Vivax post about akwardnes but didn't ask about rolling mafia thing.
Am i missing something? What is this point?
I mean about this:
On June 02 2020 14:58 Trfel wrote:
On June 02 2020 14:31 Vivax wrote:
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Awkward post
Can I ask why you find this post awkward? I don't really feel it's remarkable at all, maybe even ever so slightly townish because mafia would have little incentive to post given the lack of activity.
Likely falling asleep soon.
He picks up Vivaxs "Awkward post" but not Vivaxs post where he said he rolled mafia. I would like to know why that wasn't interesting enough to him to be picked up.
Nah, I think tfrl is scummy BUT my read can change as the game progresses. I can't just say "This guy is mafia" and stick to it forever, unless I tunnel vision but that hasn't happened yet.
On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?
I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.
Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.
I dont really have issues with other people so far.
On June 03 2020 05:48 ShoCkeyy wrote: Why is Zey removing the time stamps? That seems scummy as hell to try and paint a narrative that can be falsified later in the game
On June 03 2020 05:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: You do you Zey, just saying on my end it looks scummy, you don't have to change anything about it, doesn't mean I'm calling you mafia (just yet ;D)
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
I recall D1 as being the most active of days and things slowing to a crawl after the player-pool slims down. Kinda nice to only have ~6 pages to catchup on after spending the day out.
As for cake stuff, meh seems like a weak tonal thing imo. Sure mafia could say it, but somebody rerolling mafia for the nth time? It's gunna come out awkward and forced.
Interesting opinion. (:
¡Hey tictock!
What are your reads and which is your favorite type of sushi? (not in the games, just in general)
On June 03 2020 17:40 jeekaka wrote: Ok putting on my tinfoil hat.
- I've learned Vivax is usually afk when maf (expect in his last game) - rolling mafia consecutive times is exhausting - Vivax does not really seem very inclined to answering questions here
- I think Tictock has a good point about ShoCkeyy
I was about to say that these two are certainly not mafia together, because Sho is voting Vivax, but when I checked that it's not actually the case. So now I'm wondering if this could be scum theatre for towncreds to Sho when Vivax is not up to an another top performance.
Honestly I think its unlikely that shockeyy would fakevote a mafia buddy as his first post in the thread.
They are both independently suspicious though.
Yeah you are probably right and that's maybe a bit too straightforward theory, because I think that (if I'm not missing something) everyone else than Vivax and Shockeyy has at least tried to do something to solve :D
Some other general thoughts:
I think Jock has been helpful and made some good points. Also I think I'm somewhat in the same page with rayn (even though he is capable of puppet mastering me even if he's scum but this far I think it's genuine). And I liked Ticktocks takes as well.
As I said earlier, I don't think Zey and Cake are w/w. It's maybe more an educated guess, but as Zey is a bit out of her comfort zone (and would be even more so if scum) it's hard to imagine that she would just come in hard defending scummate Cake and then they would start pushing Trefl together. There are things that pinged me about Cake, but I can also see where her takes on Jock, me and Trefl could come from in a sincere mindset. Actually I'm kinda drawn to the world where Zey and Cake are both town and right about Trefl :D
I will consider this in the future.
Like here I even said what I like of tiktock lmao.
Well I think his read on Shock in the last two posts is for bs reasons and I don't see why you go and ask him for reads afterwards but townread him anyway and he just gave a read and instead of commenting on that read you prefer to ask Ticktock a generic question.
On June 03 2020 23:25 Vivax wrote: Well I think his read on Shock in the last two posts is for bs reasons and I don't see why you go and ask him for reads afterwards but townread him anyway and he just gave a read and instead of commenting on that read you prefer to ask Ticktock a generic question.
That part of the thread feels fake to me.
I don't think it is a bullshit reason. To me it looked as if Shockey was trying to create a story but failed.
"like that time jock and plop were mafia together", and jock and plop is the same person...
And for me
I also don't like how he mentioned Zey's timestamp thing. Someone who is bubbly and just existing to be a happy being on the thread he is paying attention to very small details that don't affect the game at all. He accused of Zey's of doing something extremely scummy when he could just easily go to Zey's filter to find the posts she is quoting.
In addition, I dislike how he reacted to me with the "ignoring the question" and then said that I am probably using him as a space goat when I was the first in the thread who said that mafia would probably use him as that.
And tbh you said that my meta when I am town is to go and say that "Vivax is mafia" and when I confront you with that you said that is irrelevant and that is not important how many games we have played together but what I am doing here. Are you going to use "meta" to scum read me or not?
I also don't understand why it rubs you that I put Zey in my "???" category.
I guess I could vote Vivax or Trfel today, and maybe Shockey. Vivax and Trfel also have some potential to be scum together, but pairing them with Shockey would require maybe bit too much tinfoil.
Mostly I just want to see what happens :D Vivax and Shock already have some pressure on them.
And as I just said, Shock of these three has least potential to be scum with the others. Also I see some lynchbait potential in him, if thats correct use of the term
Cop please just read my posts.. I don’t think Jock is two people, I was just putting people who’s names rhyme... I stated that. If you’re choosing to not read that’s not my problem.
This thing everyone's talking about with shockeyy seems like a misunderstanding or a typo and I wouldn't be judging people on that tbh.
Unless I'm missing something.
He was talking about rhyming mafia teams... shock and jock last time and hypothetically cop and plop this time cos it would be funny i guess. In both cases i would be mafia, once with shockeyy the other with copcake, and they rhyme. I don't see how that makes him mafia unless you were already thinking he's mafia and this isn't the reason for reading him.
I feel like i'm not being clear but that's the best way i can think to explain it.
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Awkward post
Can I ask why you find this post awkward? I don't really feel it's remarkable at all, maybe even ever so slightly townish because mafia would have little incentive to post given the lack of activity.
Likely falling asleep soon.
On June 03 2020 14:41 Trfel wrote: I have absolutely no useful thoughts. And there's a deadline tomorrow, how unfortunate
I'll be around filtering people for a bit but I will likely go to sleep soon.
I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it.
On June 03 2020 14:46 ShoCkeyy wrote: Trfel what are your thoughts of tiktok on me?
Frankly your filter is kinda awful, in fact you're my top scumread currently. You've posted so much but I have no idea what your reads are except for maybe a random, reason-less scumread of Vivax? So if Tictock is suspicious if you then that's fine by me!
Tictock has been explaining his reads, I see no real reason to suspect him yet.
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
On June 02 2020 12:56 Trfel wrote: Hi raynpelikoneet
I think you have made the worst entrance in the thread si far and therefore you are my top scumread. Do you have any thoughts about this?
On June 03 2020 14:46 ShoCkeyy wrote: Trfel what are your thoughts of tiktok on me?
Frankly your filter is kinda awful, in fact you're my top scumread currently. You've posted so much but I have no idea what your reads are except for maybe a random, reason-less scumread of Vivax? So if Tictock is suspicious if you then that's fine by me!
Tictock has been explaining his reads, I see no real reason to suspect him yet.
This is basically what I was talking about earlier.
On June 03 2020 23:04 CopCake wrote: Wow sorry for the many quotes, but in post #214 you can see why I can town read tictock.
I don't know why Vivax thinks I suddenly town read tictock with no reason at all.
Yeah because you agree with him on the jock&plop -apologies- nonsense it implies a townread. Nope, doesn't work like this usually. Honestly I don't buy any of that interaction at all. Why even ask him reads if you're both going after Shockeyy? You have the common lynch target for even shared reasons so the 'reads pls' seems out of place.
You either weren't trusting him to be town asking that or you were looking for something sheepable, which you already found in the Shockeyy read, so has to be the first, which doesn't compute with the townread.
Tictocks ShoCkeyy-vote feels like taking easy target. I have understand that Sho always doesn’t like D1 and this behaviour is common for him. If I’m wrong with that please correct me.
Trfel wrote:Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it.
People have said that Trfel was just trolling rayn or something but this answer doesn’t seem like it? And really I don’t see how “hi” is worse than for example telling that you are going to have drinks. And Jocks interaction with someone was basically saying hi to Cake. So… Feels like Trfel is trying to make it seem better than it was.
I don’t also like how Sho is Trfels top scumread. Feels too easy target.
Jock is feeling town to me because he was trying to get my reactions. Feels like he is trying to solve the game.
I don’t follow why rayn voted Vivax? Can you please explain why he’s scum?
RN the thing i'm most interested in is Vivax's scumread on copcake. Was it ever explained why Vivax said that copcake always scumreads him when he's town because i can't find it if it was. Seems like that just isn't true from the research rayn did. Like how did that just get dropped?
On June 03 2020 23:04 CopCake wrote: Wow sorry for the many quotes, but in post #214 you can see why I can town read tictock.
I don't know why Vivax thinks I suddenly town read tictock with no reason at all.
Yeah because you agree with him on the jock&plop -apologies- nonsense it implies a townread. Nope, doesn't work like this usually. Honestly I don't buy any of that interaction at all. Why even ask him reads if you're both going after Shockeyy? You have the common lynch target for even shared reasons so the 'reads pls' seems out of place.
You either weren't trusting him to be town asking that or you were looking for something sheepable, which you already found in the Shockeyy read, so has to be the first, which doesn't compute with the townread.
On June 04 2020 02:34 Jockmcplop wrote: RN the thing i'm most interested in is Vivax's scumread on copcake. Was it ever explained why Vivax said that copcake always scumreads him when he's town because i can't find it if it was. Seems like that just isn't true from the research rayn did. Like how did that just get dropped?
Well I asked tictock for reads and then i continued to quote and i liked what I saw.
Like it is a post with multiple quotes and I was reacting according to what I was reading.
I don't see any problem with it at all.
Like I can be interested in someone's opinion even if I have made my mind if they are town or mafia.
I don't understand this logic, it is like I shouldn't ask people questions if I made my mind and town/mafia read them. Even if I do, I can ask because their answer can change my mind, etc. I can't marry an opinion.
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On June 03 2020 18:48 CopCake wrote: ¡Hey tictock!
What are your reads and which is your favorite type of sushi? (not in the games, just in general)
I love sushi with beef, no seaweed.
Spider roll (soft-shell crab) has been a mainstay of my sushi experience, I'm surprisingly partial to veggie rolls as well.
Can you elaborate on what feels weird about rayn to you?
He was going after me and I don't think I gave that much reasons to be suspected. - shrugs - The "If I were mafia with Zey I would use AtE" also bugs me a bit.
But not enough reasons to get him to be super mafia or be in my lynch pool.
On June 03 2020 20:43 Vivax wrote: I have a PoE of cop, TT, zey. Everyone else did something that made me think they were town. A quick rundown of my TRs:
Jock already different from his scum game in that he is more fluid with his posts and makes them clearer to read through. Rayn cause went after cop early, inquisitive etc. I don't think it's a tough choice to not lynch him D1 here. Shockeyy's vote on me strikes me as townie already cause it's a vote where you don't know how serious it is and looks like he has fun with the game and looks lighthearted. Jeekaka I townread just for the 'would be funny if x and y were mafia together' alone. Just too chill of a post while calling ppl possible mafia to come from scum imo. Trfel town imo because of his smug early post towards rayn's entrance.
As for why I think cop is scum, is that she usually has a hard time seeing me as town when she's town even when I feel like I play a very strong town game. Here she is way more cautious with how she reads me and probably thinks she could make it look like she's distancing from me.
For zey. I think her posts are worded a bit too complex than what they need to be. Looks a bit like she's looking into too many places at once. But could be the English thing rayn mentioned.
TT pretty much still for his self-conscious entrance, also his 'I'm going to go into catch-up post by post'-mode feels like he has a bit of trouble getting a feeling for the game.
I kinda like this from Vivax, except for one line.
Shockeyy's vote on me strikes me as townie already cause it's a vote where you don't know how serious it is and looks like he has fun with the game and looks lighthearted.
I strongly disagree, Sho's entrance posts felt carefree but his posting quickly moves into awkward "I'm doing stuff but not really" and is very self-aware. He's using this "I don't like D1" as a cover to not be taken seriously but most of his posts come off like he's wanting to be around and participate not like somebody having fun.
This read is also a tad rambling imo, might just be wording but Vivax is using alot of "and..." here
On June 03 2020 22:21 CopCake wrote: Aren't I one of those players you avoid to read because I make no sense Vivax?
Since when do I have a meta in how I read you when town or mafia?
How many times have you seen me as mafia?
Irrelevant. What's relevant is that if you are town, you aren't convincing of not being one of the mafias in my lynch pool because you decided to give zey a pass with ??? in your list and you townread Ticktock for unknown reasons in less than 10 minutes afterwards
What are your reads and which is your favorite type of sushi? (not in the games, just in general)
What did TT post previously? His Shockeyy-read and last post, then you ask him about his reads again as if interested in them, but decide to townread him anyway. You are fairly comfortable having TT as town, but passed him a question for its own sake.
That said, TTs case on Shockeyy is hyperbole. 'Shitting up the thread'. You can't be as confident as TT is that it makes Shockeyy mafia (who is hard to read) unless you decided beforehand you were going to push him imho.
On June 04 2020 01:55 jeekaka wrote: Mostly I just want to see what happens :D Vivax and Shock already have some pressure on them.
And as I just said, Shock of these three has least potential to be scum with the others. Also I see some lynchbait potential in him, if thats correct use of the term
We probably need to start consolidating actually, especially if we still have half the game not voting and ~ 4 hours to go.
On June 04 2020 02:05 Jockmcplop wrote: This thing everyone's talking about with shockeyy seems like a misunderstanding or a typo and I wouldn't be judging people on that tbh.
Unless I'm missing something.
He was talking about rhyming mafia teams... shock and jock last time and hypothetically cop and plop this time cos it would be funny i guess. In both cases i would be mafia, once with shockeyy the other with copcake, and they rhyme. I don't see how that makes him mafia unless you were already thinking he's mafia and this isn't the reason for reading him.
I feel like i'm not being clear but that's the best way i can think to explain it.
Meh, still confused since he mentioned Jock/plop and I don't accpet atypical rhymscheme...
Agreed that it has no bearing on his alignment, however, what do you think about his other posting?
It seems like Cake and I are both picking up that Sho isn't really playing for fun atm, and I really feel like he's leaning hard on this "I don't like D1" thing which someone said is a meta for him.
On June 04 2020 02:05 Jockmcplop wrote: This thing everyone's talking about with shockeyy seems like a misunderstanding or a typo and I wouldn't be judging people on that tbh.
Unless I'm missing something.
He was talking about rhyming mafia teams... shock and jock last time and hypothetically cop and plop this time cos it would be funny i guess. In both cases i would be mafia, once with shockeyy the other with copcake, and they rhyme. I don't see how that makes him mafia unless you were already thinking he's mafia and this isn't the reason for reading him.
I feel like i'm not being clear but that's the best way i can think to explain it.
Meh, still confused since he mentioned Jock/plop and I don't accpet atypical rhymscheme...
Agreed that it has no bearing on his alignment, however, what do you think about his other posting?
It seems like Cake and I are both picking up that Sho isn't really playing for fun atm, and I really feel like he's leaning hard on this "I don't like D1" thing which someone said is a meta for him.
The rhyme was a thing and the other one is that he is being nitpicking with the time stamps but reading his filter seems like he is having fun. So to me rn he is less scummy than Tfrl and Vivax.
On June 04 2020 02:05 Jockmcplop wrote: This thing everyone's talking about with shockeyy seems like a misunderstanding or a typo and I wouldn't be judging people on that tbh.
Unless I'm missing something.
He was talking about rhyming mafia teams... shock and jock last time and hypothetically cop and plop this time cos it would be funny i guess. In both cases i would be mafia, once with shockeyy the other with copcake, and they rhyme. I don't see how that makes him mafia unless you were already thinking he's mafia and this isn't the reason for reading him.
I feel like i'm not being clear but that's the best way i can think to explain it.
Meh, still confused since he mentioned Jock/plop and I don't accpet atypical rhymscheme...
Agreed that it has no bearing on his alignment, however, what do you think about his other posting?
It seems like Cake and I are both picking up that Sho isn't really playing for fun atm, and I really feel like he's leaning hard on this "I don't like D1" thing which someone said is a meta for him.
His play is familiar for shockeyy but i couldn't differentiate between mafia shockeyy and town shockeyy from what's currently in his filter. I don't think he's a good lynch tbh.
On June 03 2020 18:48 CopCake wrote: ¡Hey tictock!
What are your reads and which is your favorite type of sushi? (not in the games, just in general)
I love sushi with beef, no seaweed.
Spider roll (soft-shell crab) has been a mainstay of my sushi experience, I'm surprisingly partial to veggie rolls as well.
Can you elaborate on what feels weird about rayn to you?
He was going after me and I don't think I gave that much reasons to be suspected. - shrugs - The "If I were mafia with Zey I would use AtE" also bugs me a bit.
But not enough reasons to get him to be super mafia or be in my lynch pool.
AtE = Appeal to Emotion ?
I've always gotten the sense that you and rayn play a lot together and sorof as a team (excuse me if that's not true, just whats in my memory of playing with you two in the past) so him trying to sus you out as either potential mafia or townie made a lot of sense to me. That was actually the interaction that made me TR rayn.
Thanks. Rayn is a player I feel like I'm either always butting heads with or tolerating the fact I don't REALLY understand his thought process, but I think/hope I've found a good way to read him.
On June 04 2020 03:16 Vivax wrote: And shockeyy as mafia is more disinterested and less shitposty and reactive.
You need to really be on him constantly to pull info out of him
Humm, ok. I'm not sure you will recall but I've been recalling a player, think his name was Shapelog, who played these really zany "I'm gunna do what I want, have fun, and post all the meme" D1's as town (and then as mafia a few times iirc). Sho's start felt like that but then entered a weird "I'm still here but not really having fun" territory thats bugging me.
If I disregard that, and take your word that this is in line with a town!Sho, why should I vote Zey? (I don't think you can convince me to vote for myself or cake here)
On June 04 2020 03:10 CopCake wrote: Idk what is worse
Tfrl's "I have to sleep" two times consecutive promising reads or Vivax's saying my meta that then later apparently is irrelevant.
So far I think Jock/Jekaka/Tiktock should be in the never lynch forever.
Zey are you there?
Yea, I'm questioning the townpass I gave Trfel early. I thought his defense of me was pretty towny, and I kinda liked that he was at least trying to poke people so early in the game.
Idk, I'm kinda liking Vivax's posts recently. Might need to relook at Trfel and maybe zey
On June 03 2020 18:48 CopCake wrote: ¡Hey tictock!
What are your reads and which is your favorite type of sushi? (not in the games, just in general)
I love sushi with beef, no seaweed.
Spider roll (soft-shell crab) has been a mainstay of my sushi experience, I'm surprisingly partial to veggie rolls as well.
Can you elaborate on what feels weird about rayn to you?
He was going after me and I don't think I gave that much reasons to be suspected. - shrugs - The "If I were mafia with Zey I would use AtE" also bugs me a bit.
But not enough reasons to get him to be super mafia or be in my lynch pool.
AtE = Appeal to Emotion ?
I've always gotten the sense that you and rayn play a lot together and sorof as a team (excuse me if that's not true, just whats in my memory of playing with you two in the past) so him trying to sus you out as either potential mafia or townie made a lot of sense to me. That was actually the interaction that made me TR rayn.
Thanks. Rayn is a player I feel like I'm either always butting heads with or tolerating the fact I don't REALLY understand his thought process, but I think/hope I've found a good way to read him.
I generally go with what my 6th sense tells me and I immediately clicked that Jock was town. With Rayn I have to be "wary" because he has been mafia before while I was town and he foolsssssss me. So I think is better if I am carefully.
On June 04 2020 02:05 Jockmcplop wrote: This thing everyone's talking about with shockeyy seems like a misunderstanding or a typo and I wouldn't be judging people on that tbh.
Unless I'm missing something.
He was talking about rhyming mafia teams... shock and jock last time and hypothetically cop and plop this time cos it would be funny i guess. In both cases i would be mafia, once with shockeyy the other with copcake, and they rhyme. I don't see how that makes him mafia unless you were already thinking he's mafia and this isn't the reason for reading him.
I feel like i'm not being clear but that's the best way i can think to explain it.
Meh, still confused since he mentioned Jock/plop and I don't accpet atypical rhymscheme...
Agreed that it has no bearing on his alignment, however, what do you think about his other posting?
It seems like Cake and I are both picking up that Sho isn't really playing for fun atm, and I really feel like he's leaning hard on this "I don't like D1" thing which someone said is a meta for him.
His play is familiar for shockeyy but i couldn't differentiate between mafia shockeyy and town shockeyy from what's currently in his filter. I don't think he's a good lynch tbh.
I'm not convinced he's a bad lynch...
but I think I'd rather consolidate than keep whining about the bad taste he's leaving in my thread.
Besides being somewhat unimpressive, why should I join your Vivax lynch?
On June 04 2020 03:10 CopCake wrote: Idk what is worse
Tfrl's "I have to sleep" two times consecutive promising reads or Vivax's saying my meta that then later apparently is irrelevant.
So far I think Jock/Jekaka/Tiktock should be in the never lynch forever.
Zey are you there?
Yea, I'm questioning the townpass I gave Trfel early. I thought his defense of me was pretty towny, and I kinda liked that he was at least trying to poke people so early in the game.
Idk, I'm kinda liking Vivax's posts recently. Might need to relook at Trfel and maybe zey
I don't know. I don't remember much what he has done. There was weird town reading about rayn and "rolling mafia" what I understood wrong. Thought I liked his post where he asked what people liked about my progression about Trfel. It felt like he was doing something to catch the scums. Like making opinions and trying to get other people see that also.
On June 04 2020 02:05 Jockmcplop wrote: This thing everyone's talking about with shockeyy seems like a misunderstanding or a typo and I wouldn't be judging people on that tbh.
Unless I'm missing something.
He was talking about rhyming mafia teams... shock and jock last time and hypothetically cop and plop this time cos it would be funny i guess. In both cases i would be mafia, once with shockeyy the other with copcake, and they rhyme. I don't see how that makes him mafia unless you were already thinking he's mafia and this isn't the reason for reading him.
I feel like i'm not being clear but that's the best way i can think to explain it.
Meh, still confused since he mentioned Jock/plop and I don't accpet atypical rhymscheme...
Agreed that it has no bearing on his alignment, however, what do you think about his other posting?
It seems like Cake and I are both picking up that Sho isn't really playing for fun atm, and I really feel like he's leaning hard on this "I don't like D1" thing which someone said is a meta for him.
His play is familiar for shockeyy but i couldn't differentiate between mafia shockeyy and town shockeyy from what's currently in his filter. I don't think he's a good lynch tbh.
I'm not convinced he's a bad lynch...
but I think I'd rather consolidate than keep whining about the bad taste he's leaving in my thread.
Besides being somewhat unimpressive, why should I join your Vivax lynch?
Mostly its his read on copcake, it doesn't make any sense to me and he kept changing his reasons.
Also, if he was town I would expect him to be more aggressive in finding scum and telling us all who is scum. Especially when he's up for lynch.
On June 03 2020 20:43 Vivax wrote: I have a PoE of cop, TT, zey. Everyone else did something that made me think they were town. A quick rundown of my TRs:
Jock already different from his scum game in that he is more fluid with his posts and makes them clearer to read through. Rayn cause went after cop early, inquisitive etc. I don't think it's a tough choice to not lynch him D1 here. Shockeyy's vote on me strikes me as townie already cause it's a vote where you don't know how serious it is and looks like he has fun with the game and looks lighthearted. Jeekaka I townread just for the 'would be funny if x and y were mafia together' alone. Just too chill of a post while calling ppl possible mafia to come from scum imo. Trfel town imo because of his smug early post towards rayn's entrance.
As for why I think cop is scum, is that she usually has a hard time seeing me as town when she's town even when I feel like I play a very strong town game. Here she is way more cautious with how she reads me and probably thinks she could make it look like she's distancing from me.
For zey. I think her posts are worded a bit too complex than what they need to be. Looks a bit like she's looking into too many places at once. But could be the English thing rayn mentioned.
TT pretty much still for his self-conscious entrance, also his 'I'm going to go into catch-up post by post'-mode feels like he has a bit of trouble getting a feeling for the game.
I kinda like this from Vivax, except for one line.
Shockeyy's vote on me strikes me as townie already cause it's a vote where you don't know how serious it is and looks like he has fun with the game and looks lighthearted.
I strongly disagree, Sho's entrance posts felt carefree but his posting quickly moves into awkward "I'm doing stuff but not really" and is very self-aware. He's using this "I don't like D1" as a cover to not be taken seriously but most of his posts come off like he's wanting to be around and participate not like somebody having fun.
This read is also a tad rambling imo, might just be wording but Vivax is using alot of "and..." here
You should see my other D1's... I'm the same, so it isn't a cover. You seem very positive that I'm "Mafia", even though you have quite a few others you can paint as mafia as well, you just chose me since I'm having fun and you're jealous.
On June 04 2020 02:05 Jockmcplop wrote: This thing everyone's talking about with shockeyy seems like a misunderstanding or a typo and I wouldn't be judging people on that tbh.
Unless I'm missing something.
He was talking about rhyming mafia teams... shock and jock last time and hypothetically cop and plop this time cos it would be funny i guess. In both cases i would be mafia, once with shockeyy the other with copcake, and they rhyme. I don't see how that makes him mafia unless you were already thinking he's mafia and this isn't the reason for reading him.
I feel like i'm not being clear but that's the best way i can think to explain it.
On June 03 2020 22:21 CopCake wrote: Aren't I one of those players you avoid to read because I make no sense Vivax?
Since when do I have a meta in how I read you when town or mafia?
How many times have you seen me as mafia?
Irrelevant. What's relevant is that if you are town, you aren't convincing of not being one of the mafias in my lynch pool because you decided to give zey a pass with ??? in your list and you townread Ticktock for unknown reasons in less than 10 minutes afterwards
Hey tictock!
What are your reads and which is your favorite type of sushi? (not in the games, just in general)
What did TT post previously? His Shockeyy-read and last post, then you ask him about his reads again as if interested in them, but decide to townread him anyway. You are fairly comfortable having TT as town, but passed him a question for its own sake.
That said, TTs case on Shockeyy is hyperbole. 'Shitting up the thread'. You can't be as confident as TT is that it makes Shockeyy mafia (who is hard to read) unless you decided beforehand you were going to push him imho.
Sho is clearly actively doing nothing and shitting up the game. It's actually confounding to me that nobody else has called it out.
Wait, is this basically: Cake is mafia because she townreads my other scumreads.
?
What he saying is mafia!copcake is possibly using your reads as a way to get by if she really is mafia.
On June 04 2020 03:10 CopCake wrote: Idk what is worse
Tfrl's "I have to sleep" two times consecutive promising reads or Vivax's saying my meta that then later apparently is irrelevant.
So far I think Jock/Jekaka/Tiktock should be in the never lynch forever.
Zey are you there?
Yea, I'm questioning the townpass I gave Trfel early. I thought his defense of me was pretty towny, and I kinda liked that he was at least trying to poke people so early in the game.
Idk, I'm kinda liking Vivax's posts recently. Might need to relook at Trfel and maybe zey
What do you like?
Besides the two posts where he's angry he's kinda sticking to his guns and his posts feel pretty off the cuff. Thought his read on you was interestingly against the grain...
I guess it's just not what I'd expect from mafia under pressure. That random burst of emotion has me scratching my head a bit though, and not sure why it was so directed at rayn.
Zey am I correct in assuming that Trfel and myself is your most likely scumteam?
It was suggested that I should check your progression on Trfel and I have to admit I have a bit of a hard time following where you are at in the game based on your filter.
Also cop, I didn't think you were mafia before, until you decided I'm possibly mafia cause you literally went from "i can't read Shockeyy" to "Shockey is mafia" in one post.
On June 04 2020 04:17 ShoCkeyy wrote: Also cop, I didn't think you were mafia before, until you decided I'm possibly mafia cause you literally went from "i can't read Shockeyy" to "Shockey is mafia" in one post.
I explained why I considered you mafia and I also said that you are an easy misslynch.
I am also surprised that I said that first before you or someone else.
Like, if we go by "metas" people should have said "Oh but shockey is an easy misslynch, he tends to be scummy even when he is town" kind of.
I don’t follow why rayn voted Vivax? Can you please explain why he’s scum?
Because he townread me based on me posting "hi", "no" and saying why i joined this game. First time i asked him why he townreads me he answered "yes i think youre town" which is basically dodging the question, and the second time he said because of tone and inquisitiveness. I sure as hell dont believe you can read town!tone from two one liners and a comment about pre-game and there is 100% nothing inquisitive in those posts. So basically i am calling bs on that read.
After that he scumread cake for reasons he should actually be townreading her for. Like Vivax said Cake as town sgould approach the read on vivax EXACTLY as cake is ACTUALLY approaching it at the time. After i question that he changes the story into that cake should be more suspicious of vivax because meta. But that's entirely bs because i checked all the games cake has played here and vivax and cake have both been town in the same game only once and Cake never calls vivax mafia in that game.
For both of those things its also notable that i had to ask multiple times for answers before getting them and it feels like very mafia-esque, like hes just waiting for me to find something else to pursue (like i fucking did in the last game and mafia escaped the lynches because i couldnt hold on to my shit). Same thing also with the fact that when i clearly prove his statements wrong he isnt changing his mind, or trying to explain it better (in case he actually believes in what he says and/or if i am missing something).
On June 04 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote: NVM I'm voting Cop just cause of this vote looks very reactionary.
On June 04 2020 03:05 CopCake wrote: ## Vote: Vivax
I think this is town shockeyy guys.
Why? Because he's looking at the vote count and coming up with ideas about the scum team, which is exactly what he was doing near the end of day 1 as town in the oil futures game.
Trfel could essily be mafia too. I understand the case(s) on shockeyy i just am not sure if it makes him mafia or not, and because i have actual scumreads i am not willing to vote for him. I dont really have reasons to suspect anyone else.
On June 04 2020 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel could essily be mafia too. I understand the case(s) on shockeyy i just am not sure if it makes him mafia or not, and because i have actual scumreads i am not willing to vote for him. I dont really have reasons to suspect anyone else.
The only thing I'm thinking with trfel is that maybe he's just disengaged a bit since he put so much effort in last time and was really annoyed at getting mislynched.
I honestly live in a world in which Vivax decided to buddy rayn and since after him I was rayn's person of interest aka the one he was asking questions decided that I would be an easy misslynch and tried to find "reasons" to find me mafia (I know I am an easy misslynch, it is a fact just like shockey is also).
I think the easiest way to explain it is with this post
On June 03 2020 23:25 Vivax wrote: Well I think his read on Shock in the last two posts is for bs reasons and I don't see why you go and ask him for reads afterwards but townread him anyway and he just gave a read and instead of commenting on that read you prefer to ask Ticktock a generic question.
That part of the thread feels fake to me.
I didn't town read TT out of no where and I asked for his reads before I came up that he was town. Only problem it is that I said all that in the same post but I tend to multi quote while I am reading the thread, helps to show how I make my decisions.
I think he is making the narrative that me and TT in our imaginary QT decided to go after shockey and elaborated this "let's frame him" plan.
I also consider Vivax not to be the kind of person that would just "create" a story which in this case he is doing.
I don’t follow why rayn voted Vivax? Can you please explain why he’s scum?
Because he townread me based on me posting "hi", "no" and saying why i joined this game. First time i asked him why he townreads me he answered "yes i think youre town" which is basically dodging the question, and the second time he said because of tone and inquisitiveness. I sure as hell dont believe you can read town!tone from two one liners and a comment about pre-game and there is 100% nothing inquisitive in those posts. So basically i am calling bs on that read.
After that he scumread cake for reasons he should actually be townreading her for. Like Vivax said Cake as town sgould approach the read on vivax EXACTLY as cake is ACTUALLY approaching it at the time. After i question that he changes the story into that cake should be more suspicious of vivax because meta. But that's entirely bs because i checked all the games cake has played here and vivax and cake have both been town in the same game only once and Cake never calls vivax mafia in that game.
For both of those things its also notable that i had to ask multiple times for answers before getting them and it feels like very mafia-esque, like hes just waiting for me to find something else to pursue (like i fucking did in the last game and mafia escaped the lynches because i couldnt hold on to my shit). Same thing also with the fact that when i clearly prove his statements wrong he isnt changing his mind, or trying to explain it better (in case he actually believes in what he says and/or if i am missing something).
So yeah that's pretty much it.
Do you think vivax would be more careful as mafia? I mean this is what they would call 'openwolfing' isn't it?
That's what I thought copcake was getting at before but she doesn't seem to think so.
Like there are other things Vivax could have called me out like when I said I am not trying to pocket jekaka but he didn't, he just went with the narrative that I am mafia because I am not calling him mafia right away and I am just "wary".
I also don't get why it bugs him I read Zey as "???"
I don’t follow why rayn voted Vivax? Can you please explain why he’s scum?
Because he townread me based on me posting "hi", "no" and saying why i joined this game. First time i asked him why he townreads me he answered "yes i think youre town" which is basically dodging the question, and the second time he said because of tone and inquisitiveness. I sure as hell dont believe you can read town!tone from two one liners and a comment about pre-game and there is 100% nothing inquisitive in those posts. So basically i am calling bs on that read.
After that he scumread cake for reasons he should actually be townreading her for. Like Vivax said Cake as town sgould approach the read on vivax EXACTLY as cake is ACTUALLY approaching it at the time. After i question that he changes the story into that cake should be more suspicious of vivax because meta. But that's entirely bs because i checked all the games cake has played here and vivax and cake have both been town in the same game only once and Cake never calls vivax mafia in that game.
For both of those things its also notable that i had to ask multiple times for answers before getting them and it feels like very mafia-esque, like hes just waiting for me to find something else to pursue (like i fucking did in the last game and mafia escaped the lynches because i couldnt hold on to my shit). Same thing also with the fact that when i clearly prove his statements wrong he isnt changing his mind, or trying to explain it better (in case he actually believes in what he says and/or if i am missing something).
So yeah that's pretty much it.
Do you think vivax would be more careful as mafia? I mean this is what they would call 'openwolfing' isn't it?
That's what I thought copcake was getting at before but she doesn't seem to think so.
I dont understand. Is this like a "why would he do that as mafia" thing? Because i have fucked up like five lynches last couple of games thinking that obvious mafia things arent mafia. And i am not going to do that again.
On June 04 2020 05:17 Jockmcplop wrote: Everyone except shockeyy is ok with vivax/trfel and shockeyy is my town read.
Feels bad.
I'm feeling maybe I've got day 1 very wrong.
Nah, you can town read someone and that person be wrong. Nothing bad about it since you are studying Shockey's feelings. :p
Its more that I feel like maybe town has been herded to the two easy options. I'm just having doubts. I think this is a time to listen to my brain and not my feelings though. Vivax lynch is good, and like rayn says i'm talking myself out of it, probably because there's not a lot of new information in the thread.
I don’t follow why rayn voted Vivax? Can you please explain why he’s scum?
Because he townread me based on me posting "hi", "no" and saying why i joined this game. First time i asked him why he townreads me he answered "yes i think youre town" which is basically dodging the question, and the second time he said because of tone and inquisitiveness. I sure as hell dont believe you can read town!tone from two one liners and a comment about pre-game and there is 100% nothing inquisitive in those posts. So basically i am calling bs on that read.
After that he scumread cake for reasons he should actually be townreading her for. Like Vivax said Cake as town sgould approach the read on vivax EXACTLY as cake is ACTUALLY approaching it at the time. After i question that he changes the story into that cake should be more suspicious of vivax because meta. But that's entirely bs because i checked all the games cake has played here and vivax and cake have both been town in the same game only once and Cake never calls vivax mafia in that game.
For both of those things its also notable that i had to ask multiple times for answers before getting them and it feels like very mafia-esque, like hes just waiting for me to find something else to pursue (like i fucking did in the last game and mafia escaped the lynches because i couldnt hold on to my shit). Same thing also with the fact that when i clearly prove his statements wrong he isnt changing his mind, or trying to explain it better (in case he actually believes in what he says and/or if i am missing something).
So yeah that's pretty much it.
Do you think vivax would be more careful as mafia? I mean this is what they would call 'openwolfing' isn't it?
That's what I thought copcake was getting at before but she doesn't seem to think so.
I dont understand. Is this like a "why would he do that as mafia" thing? Because i have fucked up like five lynches last couple of games thinking that obvious mafia things arent mafia. And i am not going to do that again.
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
Is she just jumping on the wagon to try and get some one lynched? I don't like how she's switching her mind on who's mafia. First it's me, then it's Vivax, then Trfel due to AFK. Cop who do you think is actually mafia?
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
Is she just jumping on the wagon to try and get some one lynched? I don't like how she's switching her mind on who's mafia. First it's me, then it's Vivax, then Trfel due to AFK. Cop who do you think is actually mafia?
On June 04 2020 05:25 ShoCkeyy wrote: Is this literally the only reason Trfel is going to be voted by Cop?
On June 02 2020 11:27 Trfel wrote:
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
Is she just jumping on the wagon to try and get some one lynched? I don't like how she's switching her mind on who's mafia. First it's me, then it's Vivax, then Trfel due to AFK. Cop who do you think is actually mafia?
On June 04 2020 05:25 ShoCkeyy wrote: Is this literally the only reason Trfel is going to be voted by Cop?
On June 02 2020 11:27 Trfel wrote:
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
Is she just jumping on the wagon to try and get some one lynched? I don't like how she's switching her mind on who's mafia. First it's me, then it's Vivax, then Trfel due to AFK. Cop who do you think is actually mafia?
Are you... reading the thread, right?
Your only other reason is "he's AFK" :\
I apologized for miss reading your jock/plop but I think find scummy the time stamps.
Yet that doesn't and hasn't make you the scummiest between vivax and tfrl.
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Plurality Lynch: The person with the most votes gets lynched. in the event of a tie, the player that first received enough votes will be lynched. until deadline.
I think Vivax might be better lynch for today, as if town he could still be helpfull but he seems to be given up. Trfel is just away for whatever reason. But I'm getting too tired to really think.
It has come to my attention that Jock edited a post (#340, quoted below). He self-reported and doesn't seem to have actually edited anything, so no warning. Please PM me if you have any questions or concerns regarding this.
On June 04 2020 05:17 Jockmcplop wrote: Everyone except shockeyy is ok with vivax/trfel and shockeyy is my town read.
Feels bad.
I'm feeling maybe I've got day 1 very wrong.
Nah, you can town read someone and that person be wrong. Nothing bad about it since you are studying Shockey's feelings. :p
Its more that I feel like maybe town has been herded to the two easy options. I'm just having doubts. I think this is a time to listen to my brain and not my feelings though. Vivax lynch is good, and like rayn says i'm talking myself out of it, probably because there's not a lot of new information in the thread.
I don’t follow why rayn voted Vivax? Can you please explain why he’s scum?
Because he townread me based on me posting "hi", "no" and saying why i joined this game. First time i asked him why he townreads me he answered "yes i think youre town" which is basically dodging the question, and the second time he said because of tone and inquisitiveness. I sure as hell dont believe you can read town!tone from two one liners and a comment about pre-game and there is 100% nothing inquisitive in those posts. So basically i am calling bs on that read.
After that he scumread cake for reasons he should actually be townreading her for. Like Vivax said Cake as town sgould approach the read on vivax EXACTLY as cake is ACTUALLY approaching it at the time. After i question that he changes the story into that cake should be more suspicious of vivax because meta. But that's entirely bs because i checked all the games cake has played here and vivax and cake have both been town in the same game only once and Cake never calls vivax mafia in that game.
For both of those things its also notable that i had to ask multiple times for answers before getting them and it feels like very mafia-esque, like hes just waiting for me to find something else to pursue (like i fucking did in the last game and mafia escaped the lynches because i couldnt hold on to my shit). Same thing also with the fact that when i clearly prove his statements wrong he isnt changing his mind, or trying to explain it better (in case he actually believes in what he says and/or if i am missing something).
So yeah that's pretty much it.
Do you think vivax would be more careful as mafia? I mean this is what they would call 'openwolfing' isn't it?
That's what I thought copcake was getting at before but she doesn't seem to think so.
I dont understand. Is this like a "why would he do that as mafia" thing? Because i have fucked up like five lynches last couple of games thinking that obvious mafia things arent mafia. And i am not going to do that again.
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
Is she just jumping on the wagon to try and get some one lynched? I don't like how she's switching her mind on who's mafia. First it's me, then it's Vivax, then Trfel due to AFK. Cop who do you think is actually mafia?
Ok Shockey, this is the most important question you will ever get in your life besides the one a beautiful red head would ask you to marry her...
If I wasn't your lynch, who would come next? Who else would you lynch and why?
On June 04 2020 05:42 Trfel wrote: Why are we lynching people who are town?
Who should we lynch?
Of the people with votes, maybe CopCake?
I'm just having a ton of trouble finding mafia this game. I blame foremost my lack of effort, but secondly the lack of information/content to use.
CopCake seems like the most likely mafia from what I have read so far though.
elaborate?
On June 04 2020 03:10 CopCake wrote: Idk what is worse
Tfrl's "I have to sleep" two times consecutive promising reads or Vivax's saying my meta that then later apparently is irrelevant.
So far I think Jock/Jekaka/Tiktock should be in the never lynch forever.
Zey are you there?
Stuff like this. Not focusing on who is mafia, but just who is playing "badly." Being so confident in assuming people are mafia (specifically me, and I've barely posted). It's hard to articulate but it just feels false to me. It also doesn't feel like you care about getting your target lynched. Moreso than indecision, it feels like apathy, which I really don't like. In contrast to someone like Zey, who made only a few posts but does seem clearly invested in the lynch and cares about it.
On June 04 2020 03:10 CopCake wrote: Idk what is worse
Tfrl's "I have to sleep" two times consecutive promising reads or Vivax's saying my meta that then later apparently is irrelevant.
So far I think Jock/Jekaka/Tiktock should be in the never lynch forever.
Zey are you there?
Stuff like this. Not focusing on who is mafia, but just who is playing "badly." Being so confident in assuming people are mafia (specifically me, and I've barely posted). It's hard to articulate but it just feels false to me. It also doesn't feel like you care about getting your target lynched. Moreso than indecision, it feels like apathy, which I really don't like. In contrast to someone like Zey, who made only a few posts but does seem clearly invested in the lynch and cares about it.
That's literally my reasoning, she's just all over the place in her mafia reads. It just feels like she's trying to see what kind of shit sticks on the wall.
I'm considering switching to copcake right now. Reasons: The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient.
On June 04 2020 05:25 ShoCkeyy wrote: Is this literally the only reason Trfel is going to be voted by Cop?
On June 02 2020 11:27 Trfel wrote:
On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.
Is this the current pace of TL mafia?
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.
Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.
Is she just jumping on the wagon to try and get some one lynched? I don't like how she's switching her mind on who's mafia. First it's me, then it's Vivax, then Trfel due to AFK. Cop who do you think is actually mafia?
Ok Shockey, this is the most important question you will ever get in your life besides the one a beautiful red head would ask you to marry her...
If I wasn't your lynch, who would come next? Who else would you lynch and why?
TikTok... you should know this
Also I'm already married :O and also I'm part Scottish so I have red hair in me and the fam already :D
On June 04 2020 05:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm considering switching to copcake right now. Reasons: The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient.
Hamachi (Vanilla Townie) - Made with Yellowtail, you're actually tasty and different from what everyone eats. You're worthwhile. But. You're also still just a fish. You have voting rights and no other power.
PM night actions to both host (myself) and co-host (Alakaslam). until Day 2 Start.
So yeah I don't think I'm the NK today but I still think I have a solid PoE. Vigging me wouldn't be a bad idea since I don't see too much reason to back away from the TT and zey reads tomorrow, and I don't think I can be townread either way. But I need to analyze the followup to the lynch still, I was out.
Wtf happened :D I basically fell asleep on my keyboard, now I feel bad I didn't switch to Vivax but I was so solid it was gonna be Trefl or Vivax I didn't really care.
On June 04 2020 06:42 Tictock wrote: Humm actually reading and catching up, I dont like Trfel's re-entry into the game.
On June 04 2020 05:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm considering switching to copcake right now. Reasons: The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient.
Can you explain this to me as i am 5, because: - self preservation, even if it's that, doesnt make anyone anything because townies too probably think someone else is a better lynch than them,right? -threat to switch to trfel and her not switching only ever makes copcake mafia if trfel is mafia too
On June 04 2020 13:04 ShoCkeyy wrote: Trfel/jock mafia?
I’m changing my read on tiktok, cop was willing to be friends with them. Trfel and Jock following me to vote cop is so fucking scummy since cop is VT.
Cops death is on me.
What? Me and Jockmcplop voting for CopCake is scummy because CopCake was town. Since when did being wrong mean you are mafia? Wouldn't that mean you are mafia too?
On June 04 2020 13:04 ShoCkeyy wrote: Trfel/jock mafia?
I’m changing my read on tiktok, cop was willing to be friends with them. Trfel and Jock following me to vote cop is so fucking scummy since cop is VT.
Cops death is on me.
What? Me and Jockmcplop voting for CopCake is scummy because CopCake was town. Since when did being wrong mean you are mafia? Wouldn't that mean you are mafia too?
I mean this is the same situation I was in with OILS, and I was right about two of them. I gotta poke bby.
On June 04 2020 13:04 ShoCkeyy wrote: Trfel/jock mafia?
I’m changing my read on tiktok, cop was willing to be friends with them. Trfel and Jock following me to vote cop is so fucking scummy since cop is VT.
Cops death is on me.
What? Me and Jockmcplop voting for CopCake is scummy because CopCake was town. Since when did being wrong mean you are mafia? Wouldn't that mean you are mafia too?
I mean this is the same situation I was in with OILS, and I was right about two of them. I gotta poke bby.
What? This makes no sense at all, please explain.
On June 04 2020 13:31 jeekaka wrote: How came you ignored the question about your Vivax town godreads Trfel????
On June 04 2020 13:04 ShoCkeyy wrote: Trfel/jock mafia?
I’m changing my read on tiktok, cop was willing to be friends with them. Trfel and Jock following me to vote cop is so fucking scummy since cop is VT.
Cops death is on me.
What? Me and Jockmcplop voting for CopCake is scummy because CopCake was town. Since when did being wrong mean you are mafia? Wouldn't that mean you are mafia too?
I mean this is the same situation I was in with OILS, and I was right about two of them. I gotta poke bby.
Shame you had to go before you had time to answer that question
I can see Vivax/Trfel world, I can see Jock/Trfel or even Shock/Trfel world where they want to save Vivax to be the next mislynch, and I can even see a distant rayn/Trfel world.
I honestly would prefer Vivax/Trfel to be the mafia team, I really don't want Jock to be mafia again :D
Also why would I be teamed with Trfel if he's my top mafia read right now? Like I seriously think with N1 kill we'll have more than enough info to find mafia the mafia team.
On June 04 2020 14:14 ShoCkeyy wrote: I honestly would prefer Vivax/Trfel to be the mafia team, I really don't want Jock to be mafia again :D
Also why would I be teamed with Trfel if he's my top mafia read right now? Like I seriously think with N1 kill we'll have more than enough info to find mafia the mafia team.
Mmm yeah that's not so likely.
Jock's switch is easier to explain, it could just have been like they noticed they can actually lynch Cake and thought Jock had enough town cred to pull it off. With you it's probably too much effort to save a townie.
You just have some weird takes like how ever makes Cake buddying Tictock him town :D Cake could be wrong.
That said TicTock is prob my top townread right now.
I mean I’m only town reading tictock town cause of cop so just really giving him the benefit of doubt. That can switch if needed. I’m more concerned with Trfel now.
I don't think Vivax is town, I just don't see any reason to call him mafia. I thought there were reasons for CopCake to be mafia, so I voted for her.
ShoCkeyy, what you're saying really doesn't make any sense at all to me. Yes I played in the Oil Futures mafia, but just because one of the lynch targets happened to be mafia there doesn't mean that they are here. That's very poor reasoning and I think you should know better than that.
On June 04 2020 14:51 Trfel wrote: I don't think Vivax is town, I just don't see any reason to call him mafia. I thought there were reasons for CopCake to be mafia, so I voted for her.
ShoCkeyy, what you're saying really doesn't make any sense at all to me. Yes I played in the Oil Futures mafia, but just because one of the lynch targets happened to be mafia there doesn't mean that they are here. That's very poor reasoning and I think you should know better than that.
It does make sense cause I voted along with two mafia then which can be the case here again.
On June 04 2020 05:42 Trfel wrote: Why are we lynching people who are town?
So what on earth does this mean then?
I was half-joking, and did kinda think CopCake was town (though my mind quickly changed). I sometimes assume people are town until there is evidence to the contrary, as was the case here (after which I got to business). The post served its purpose of attracting attention and not lynching Vivax, though.
On June 04 2020 14:51 Trfel wrote: I don't think Vivax is town, I just don't see any reason to call him mafia. I thought there were reasons for CopCake to be mafia, so I voted for her.
ShoCkeyy, what you're saying really doesn't make any sense at all to me. Yes I played in the Oil Futures mafia, but just because one of the lynch targets happened to be mafia there doesn't mean that they are here. That's very poor reasoning and I think you should know better than that.
It does make sense cause I voted along with two mafia then which can be the case here again.
Good night btw
No, that really doesn't make sense at all. You were wrong last game, so you could be wrong here too. Sure, but that's not a reason at all?!? Yet you are saying it like it's foolproof.
Finished rereading the thread. Going to read some filters. I really don't like ShoCkeyy, I think Tictock is probably town, and possibly Jockmcplop, and maybe Vivax too.
So, you dont think Vivax is town. You and cake are both next in two votes, and you vote Cake soon after, so you definitely don't think she's town.
On June 04 2020 05:42 Trfel wrote: Why are we lynching people who are town?
So what on earth does this mean then?
I was half-joking, and did kinda think CopCake was town (though my mind quickly changed). I sometimes assume people are town until there is evidence to the contrary, as was the case here (after which I got to business). The post served its purpose of attracting attention and not lynching Vivax, though.
So, you dont think Vivax is town. You and cake are both next in two votes, and you vote Cake soon after, so you definitely don't think she's town.
On June 04 2020 05:42 Trfel wrote: Why are we lynching people who are town?
So what on earth does this mean then?
I was half-joking, and did kinda think CopCake was town (though my mind quickly changed). I sometimes assume people are town until there is evidence to the contrary, as was the case here (after which I got to business). The post served its purpose of attracting attention and not lynching Vivax, though.
Which is good thing because..?
Because I didn't see any reason to call Vivax mafia? I don't really get raynpelikoneet's case on Vivax. I mean, it makes sense and is logical, but I don't think it fits mafia motivation. Why would mafia be so uncooperative and lie about meta, what does it gain them?
The other thing about ShoCkeyy that I really don't like is how he keeps having reads that are different and disconnected, but then he says he has no reads because it's Day 1. But he called out three things (no quotes because I'm on mobile) (one was he said he was suspicious of Vivax, and no, not his opening joke "vote;" and two, he said he was suspicious of three people for being suspicious of him, I forgot #3 and don't feel like looking it up). So either he's joking, which it doesn't seem like, and this wouldn't match his having fun/disconnected persona. Or he doesn't actually care about his reads, which makes him likely mafia.
The thing that makes me doubt (other than ShoCkeyy being difficult to read, caveat that I've read him correctly as both alignments) is that he did seem to care who was lynched Day 1. That makes me more unsure and hesitant.
I could see raynpelikoneet being mafia too. Two main reasons. Firstly, his focus doesn't seem to match his scumreads. He posts a long post on why CopCake is suspicious and then votes for Vivax over something small, and then posts a mini case on me, and then still votes for Vivax.
And second, he doesn't feel very invested. He's been here and calling things out and it's logical and makes sense but he can do that as mafia, easily. But it doesn't feel like he really cares about what he's saying. He didn't clearly and concisely say why he thought Vivax was mafia until requested to, where if he really wanted Vivax lynched he could post a case on his own accord and actually push for that lynch. Before the flip raynpelikoneet didn't seem to care, and after he didn't seem to care either, only talking about Jockmcplop and not any of his other scumreads. I'm trying to not focus too hard on deadline stuff because apparently he needed to sleep but despite that he feels a bit disconnected and slightly apathetic to the game, despite being very present.
On June 04 2020 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: But why would shockeyy be orrational and do things that make people call him mafia if he is mafia, trfel?
I think he plays in a similar way when he is mafia? (doing things that make people think he is mafia) And as far as being irrational, it feels to me like he tried to capitalize on a chance for free scumreads but couldn't produce a reason to justify it when pressured. Feels like he made it up.
I could be wrong but that's my thinking right now anyway.
On June 04 2020 05:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm considering switching to copcake right now. Reasons: The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient.
Can you explain this to me as i am 5, because: - self preservation, even if it's that, doesnt make anyone anything because townies too probably think someone else is a better lynch than them,right? -threat to switch to trfel and her not switching only ever makes copcake mafia if trfel is mafia too
So wtf jock????
I can explain my thinking yeah.
Its all in my filter really i was just deciding whether to lynch vivax and a green flip would have implicated copcake or to just go for copcake.
At the time when she was going to maybe switch to trfel, i was losing interest in the vivax lynch, and if i switched it would leave a bunch of players on two votes, including copcake. Her wanting to switch to trfel looked like self preserving at the expense of the lynch she wanted (she'd rather just lynch whoever than her her lynch target because as mafia survival is the only priority). It also kinda looked like she didn't care who got lynched.
On June 04 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote: NVM I'm voting Cop just cause of this vote looks very reactionary.
On June 04 2020 03:05 CopCake wrote: ## Vote: Vivax
I think this is town shockeyy guys.
(I was already thinking what shockeyy was thinking here)
On June 04 2020 04:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I still like the vivax lynch. Copcake said she was deciding whether vivax would play like this as scum and i really want to know what she thinks.
On June 04 2020 05:31 Jockmcplop wrote: So copcake you switching to trfel?
(This was me being super sus of copcake)
It just looked wrong to me. Waiting for Vivax to vote for her and then just going in on the vivax kill, the 'maybe i'll switch to trfel' when the vivax kill looked like it might not happen.
On June 04 2020 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why were you losing interest in Vivax lynch?
I felt no-one was fighting against it, and i couldn't shake the 'too mafia to be mafia' feeling i was having. I was also worried that the last game where we were mafia together was coloring my opinion on this game unfairly.
Trfel was fighting against it? What was shockeyy supposed to do? He already had three scumreads which none of was vivax. Zey wasnt around(?) Jeekaka fell asleep.
On June 04 2020 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel was fighting against it? What was shockeyy supposed to do? He already had three scumreads which none of was vivax. Zey wasnt around(?) Jeekaka fell asleep.
That's how it felt to me at the time. Its all in my filter from last night.
You realise that there is 2 mafia in this game? If vivax and trfel are mafia (which is something at least i find highly possible) then why should anyone else be wary of lynching into vivax/trfel from town pov??
On June 04 2020 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: You realise that there is 2 mafia in this game? If vivax and trfel are mafia (which is something at least i find highly possible) then why should anyone else be wary of lynching into vivax/trfel from town pov??
You don't have to try and convince me i was wrong. Copcake flipped town.
I am kot trying to convince you of you being wrong. There is nothing scummy in being wrong in general because people are wrong all the time in this game. I am trying to figure out your motives because it doesnt add up to me.
Which is why the last question. So your explanation is just that you fucked up?
On June 04 2020 21:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am kot trying to convince you of you being wrong. There is nothing scummy in being wrong in general because people are wrong all the time in this game. I am trying to figure out your motives because it doesnt add up to me.
Which is why the last question. So your explanation is just that you fucked up?
mmmm yeah. I fucked up. I have explained what I was thinking at the time and it makes sense.
Its always the question on day 1. Do you vote for the people who are openly scummy or the people you think are trying to plan something? To me it looked like copcake was planning whereas both trfel and vivax were just being openly not very townie but without trying to do anything sneaky.
Zey i have a question for you: You explicitly asked me about why i scumread Vivax. Why didnt you have any follow up after my answer? I mean you must think that my case is either right or wrong or bad enough for me to be mafia. You followed the rest of the day with the thought of Vivax still not being mafia, why didnt you try to convince me voting either trfel or tictock since you vlearly thought my case is not good?
On June 04 2020 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Zey i have a question for you: You explicitly asked me about why i scumread Vivax. Why didnt you have any follow up after my answer? I mean you must think that my case is either right or wrong or bad enough for me to be mafia. You followed the rest of the day with the thought of Vivax still not being mafia, why didnt you try to convince me voting either trfel or tictock since you vlearly thought my case is not good?
I'm actually also interested in hearing more about Zey, as my only reason to think she's town is Trfels scumminess really :D
And what comes to people defending Vivax, I think there many.
Shock was very active looking for someone else to lynch.
Zey stated she was ready to lynch TicTock over Vivax. I don't really think Zey had enough thread presence to actively push another lynch, but she might have been ready to jump into another wagon if there was possibility. (Also both Vivax and Zey had TicTock in their lynch pool.)
Then there was Trfel.
And then there was Jock, who decided to lynch Cake because "everybody" were happy about Vivax lynch.
I fell for the simple mistake that I thought the mafia was the one fighting back, instead the actual mafia preferred to not do anything while I was sort of bashing heads with cop. It was just really hard for me to comprehend how cop could so stubbornly believe TT to be town there.
Trfel is still town hero. Maybe he is the new Palmar.
Palmar is probably the oldest vet of the forum. He tends to have a good scum catch rate but in the latest games he got lynched very early for bad reasons so he kind of stopped enjoying the game.
He has a hard time dealing with the British divas that show up from time to time. *cough* HF *cough*
Why though. I picked the townie out of my PoE, unfortunately, and still have two guesses to go. For now I see little reason to think one of my townreads is scum, but I'm watching the avenue Trfel is going down with rayn closely.
On June 05 2020 00:06 Vivax wrote: Palmar is probably the oldest vet of the forum. He tends to have a good scum catch rate but in the latest games he got lynched very early for bad reasons so he kind of stopped enjoying the game.
He has a hard time dealing with the British divas that show up from time to time. *cough* HF *cough*
Because if you are town, it would actually be helpful to see some town progress to make it possible to read you and maybe even point us to the tracks of the right scum.
Trying to get stuff done around the house today to prep for roommates Bday this weekend, so I'm kinda around but mostly just reading. Skimmed a bit but mostly caught up atm.
TinfoilTock really wants the scumteam to be Trfel/Vivax and they made the most epic slithering out of a noose I've ever seen.
I have a lot to say about Trfel right now, but I'd rather wait till I can fact check a little.
Paranoid me is worried Jeeka is trying to pocket me, but he's doing a really good job so I'm just gunna call him town and channel that paranoia into tinfoil.
I encourage peeps to look at TT's filter. It's kinda telling at quick glance.
- Settles for a very early cop townread. - Agrees with cop early on Shockeyy being scum. - His followup before deadline doesn't reflect any intention of directing the lynch either way, when he really should have a clear cut opinion of what the game should be doing. - Most posts are rather focused at discussing stuff from all sorts of topics. Like asking me about what I was saying about cake, but not really coming out with something from it that would make him say I'm wrong and cake is town. Or I'm mafia and cake is town. He just kinda okay's the replies he gets and minds his own business. - Instead asks me why he should consider zey, then asks Jock why he should consider me. Two posts he's doubting his Trfel read, then his read on me.
He has a very hands-off approach to the game. He did look at zey but didn't come out with a conclusion, just a question of whether zey thinks he's scum. Then he voted me for the sake of not voting cop. Again, easy out.
You don't get the feeling TT analyzes posts and asks question to reach a clear-cut way of seeing the game that he can stick to and influence the lynch the way he likes. It's really just a pretense to be insecure, while usually that should push townies towards reconsidering things in a hurry, he appears more calm and mechanical.
Shouldn't he have had a clear opinion to lynch Shockeyy considering he was questioning my townread on him? That read just sort of went away towards the end and he was just contemplating Trfel, myself, even after I apparently swayed him that Shock could be town.
tl;dr: I don't think Ticktock has a real opinion on things and he's struggling to make it look like he does.
TT was my second scummiest person, and Cop turned out town, I mean we have the N1 kill about to come up, and that will help in decided who we should try and lynch for D2, but TT seems like a long shot. I personally think it may be between Trfel and yourself.
And at this point I prefer to really dig into Trfel. I know you're a strong mafia player, but you're also a strong town player, and I rather watch how D2 turns out before I make my final decision.
So that leads me to ask why do you htink Trfel is your town hero? He's barely posted anything that is reliable as a town in my opinion. He thinks I'm mafia and thinks TT is town, so that would make you two disagree with each other on TT and I think that should be dug into even more.
Will consider looking into him a bit harder. But basically he's been very townie last game and lynched regardless, so maybe now he cba to try too hard. But that's the point, he's not trying to look like he's trying hard and the way he casually called out rayn felt townie to me. As mafia he was more...Contributive, but in a quantity over quality way. While he talked about a lot of stuff you didn't get a picture of where his head was at, much like I feel about TT this game.
Idk man, you and him barely have even interacted with each other, and both of you seem to call each other town because of interactions with other players. The only interaction between you two is you saying to Trfel "this is a weird post" and Trfel responding with "how is it weird".
On June 05 2020 02:53 Vivax wrote: I encourage peeps to look at TT's filter. It's kinda telling at quick glance.
- Settles for a very early cop townread. - Agrees with cop early on Shockeyy being scum. - His followup before deadline doesn't reflect any intention of directing the lynch either way, when he really should have a clear cut opinion of what the game should be doing. - Most posts are rather focused at discussing stuff from all sorts of topics. Like asking me about what I was saying about cake, but not really coming out with something from it that would make him say I'm wrong and cake is town. Or I'm mafia and cake is town. He just kinda okay's the replies he gets and minds his own business. - Instead asks me why he should consider zey, then asks Jock why he should consider me. Two posts he's doubting his Trfel read, then his read on me.
He has a very hands-off approach to the game. He did look at zey but didn't come out with a conclusion, just a question of whether zey thinks he's scum. Then he voted me for the sake of not voting cop. Again, easy out.
You don't get the feeling TT analyzes posts and asks question to reach a clear-cut way of seeing the game that he can stick to and influence the lynch the way he likes. It's really just a pretense to be insecure, while usually that should push townies towards reconsidering things in a hurry, he appears more calm and mechanical.
Shouldn't he have had a clear opinion to lynch Shockeyy considering he was questioning my townread on him? That read just sort of went away towards the end and he was just contemplating Trfel, myself, even after I apparently swayed him that Shock could be town.
tl;dr: I don't think Ticktock has a real opinion on things and he's struggling to make it look like he does.
Wow this is such a forced narrative on me, the only truthful bit is that I kinda decided cake was town early and never felt the need to question that.
I was the first person to be pushing Sho scum, and I still think he could easily be scum, cake and Trfel both kinda piggybacked on the points I made.
Near EoD it was clear to me that my preferred lunch (Sho) wasn't happening, and started to reconsider and ask questions to decide where to vote. I had weak townreads on both Vivax and Trfel so I was trying to weigh who I might have been wrong about and would be more ok to vote.
It is frustrating to play with some of you guys who base so much on meta. Like to me Sho was literally playing "to scummy to be scum" and even though everyone kinda agreed you all just give it a pass due to that being his D1 meta. I tried to argue my read but being constantly rebuked with that argument makes it feel fruitless to push it anymore.
I don't like how Trfel suggested Cake to be lynched.
Trfel wrote: I was half-joking, and did kinda think CopCake was town (though my mind quickly changed).
I mean he was kinda thinking that Cake was town and only four minutes later he was suggesting that Cake should be lynched although there were his top scumread Sho also one of the people with votes. And I'm not sure why he even took those four minutes to investigate Cake? I mean if theres 3 players with votes and Trfel thinks one is his top scumread (Sho), one is kinda town (Cake) and one hasn't done any townish or scumish (Vivax), why would Trfel read Cakes post to see why she could be scum? I think it would be more logically to read Vivaxs post that see is he scum or not and/or read Shos post to find more scummy thing that could convince others.
Jock wrote: I'm considering switching to copcake right now. Reasons: The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient.
Hmm, wasn't Cake getting cold feet before you even mentioned you were getting?
rayn wrote: Zey i have a question for you: You explicitly asked me about why i scumread Vivax. Why didnt you have any follow up after my answer? I mean you must think that my case is either right or wrong or bad enough for me to be mafia. You followed the rest of the day with the thought of Vivax still not being mafia, why didnt you try to convince me voting either trfel or tictock since you vlearly thought my case is not good?
After reading your post I thought you might be right about him and your reasons explained to me why you voted Vivax and not Cake. After that I went to read Vivax posts and the thread to see are your accusations right. (They are I think although I'm still not sure about Vivaxs reasons to suspect Cake.) So it made me to think that I'm okay with lynching Vivax. Didn't see the reason to change my vote although seeing how day ended I think I should have changed.
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Once per night you can PM the hosts with a target who will receive protection from all attacks that night. The type of fish is still whatever it is and the customer probably doesn't know jack about sushi if they ordered something you gotta save so the target will not be notified if they have been saved. Since you can't keep doing the same thing over and over without shameful guilt, you may not choose the same person twice in a row and you cannot protect yourself because you are a concept, not actual sushi yourself.
Plurality Lynch: The person with the most votes gets lynched. In the event of a tie, the player that first received enough votes will be lynched. until deadline.
Holy fuck, wow. At least jock wasn’t mafia again, but fuck we lost our doctor. How will we stop the coronavirus from spreading through our sushi ranks now??
On June 04 2020 14:14 ShoCkeyy wrote: I honestly would prefer Vivax/Trfel to be the mafia team, I really don't want Jock to be mafia again :D
Also why would I be teamed with Trfel if he's my top mafia read right now? Like I seriously think with N1 kill we'll have more than enough info to find mafia the mafia team.
On June 05 2020 03:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: It feels like you(Vivax) and Trfel are trying to make plays on getting either myself or TT lynched for D2.
On June 05 2020 05:50 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well we have 9 mins till N1 ends, we’ll know more now.
After Flip...
On June 05 2020 06:21 ShoCkeyy wrote: Holy fuck, wow. At least jock wasn’t mafia again, but fuck we lost our doctor. How will we stop the coronavirus from spreading through our sushi ranks now??
On June 05 2020 07:14 ShoCkeyy wrote: After going through Jocks posts, he mostly goes after Vivax and Trfel. We have to be very aware if they're being framed or not.
...Like...
So what have you learned Sho, who is mafia?
Why do ppl question why I'm inclined to scum read you?
On June 04 2020 03:10 CopCake wrote: Idk what is worse
Tfrl's "I have to sleep" two times consecutive promising reads or Vivax's saying my meta that then later apparently is irrelevant.
So far I think Jock/Jekaka/Tiktock should be in the never lynch forever.
Zey are you there?
Stuff like this. Not focusing on who is mafia, but just who is playing "badly." Being so confident in assuming people are mafia (specifically me, and I've barely posted). It's hard to articulate but it just feels false to me. It also doesn't feel like you care about getting your target lynched. Moreso than indecision, it feels like apathy, which I really don't like. In contrast to someone like Zey, who made only a few posts but does seem clearly invested in the lynch and cares about it.
On June 04 2020 05:55 Trfel wrote: No thoughts, anyone?
As Jeeka pointed out at his re-entry it was Vivax getting lynched with Trfel/Cake tied and my vote on Sho. Just going off of filter I'd say Trfel going for cake actually kinda makes sense since he had questioned her early/easy townread of Jock. However, Trfel posted this:
So, you dont think Vivax is town. You and cake are both next in two votes, and you vote Cake soon after, so you definitely don't think she's town.
On June 04 2020 05:42 Trfel wrote: Why are we lynching people who are town?
So what on earth does this mean then?
I was half-joking, and did kinda think CopCake was town (though my mind quickly changed). I sometimes assume people are town until there is evidence to the contrary, as was the case here (after which I got to business). The post served its purpose of attracting attention and not lynching Vivax, though.
Very much backpeddeling on what his stance on cake looked like, and the bolded part just has to be a slip because Trfel has posts saying he both doesn't think Vivax is town and doesn't think he is mafia (so is a null read) and yet had the intention of drawing ppl from lynching Vivax...
I think Tictock and rayn are town. I'm a bit paranoid about rayn but if I'm wrong here so be it. At least now I'm not reasoning myself out of thinking he might be scum because something he did, but he just feels town to me. Also if rayn was mafia Tictock could as well be as I would be totally lost in here :D But I think I share a similar world view with these two, and to me Tictock EOD feels like town investigating and trying to find best or even least bad lynch option.
I have said all I have about Trfel except actually want to add this thing:
Trfel actually jumps into a wagon with his top scumread and does not seem to think there's anything fishy. And today he continues to suspect Shock like nothing ever happened.
I don't like at all Vivax's statement that he's basically not gonna do anything today as he's fine with his POE.
Shocks opinions are just weird and it really seems he's not paying attention. Like he literally accused Cake of scumreading Trfel for being afk, when Cake had said that's her main reason for not wanting to vote Trfel.
I said yesterday that Sho is not very likely to be mafia with Vivax or Trfel, but actually that EOD changed my opinion a bit. Still that Shock's and Trfel's Cake push does not make actually any sense is Vivax is town. Unless... Cake was thinking switcing to Trfel, TicTock preferred Trfel over Vivax. This was at the bottom of my scum pair listing but moving it up actually :D
This is maybe a bit of a soulread, but I think Zey is almost never mafia with Trfel. There's a small detail that makes me actually think she is just town.
So I think our mafia team is one of the following: Vivax/Trfel Trfel/Shock . Vivax/Shock (as we have this too wolf to be wolf thing going, I'd find that Trfel town hero thing to be one if Vivax/Trfel w/w) . . . Vivax/Zey (if I'm wrong about Zey)
Jock wrote: I'm considering switching to copcake right now. Reasons: The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient.
Hmm, wasn't Cake getting cold feet before you even mentioned you were getting?
Half an hour later Jock is dead.
I just think subconsciously you probably would not start questioning someone who you know is not gonna be there to answer.
Tictock wrote: Just going off of filter I'd say Trfel going for cake actually kinda makes sense since he had questioned her early/easy townread of Jock.
How it makes sense? Yeah he asked her reasoning, but here it sounds to me like he was okay with her answering:
Trfel wrote: I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can
And according to him even Rayns hi was more scummy than Cakes townread of Jock. AND he admitted that 4 minutes before he suggestes lynching Cake he was kinda thinking that Cake is town. So how it makes sense??
So, you dont think Vivax is town. You and cake are both next in two votes, and you vote Cake soon after, so you definitely don't think she's town.
On June 04 2020 05:42 Trfel wrote: Why are we lynching people who are town?
So what on earth does this mean then?
I was half-joking, and did kinda think CopCake was town (though my mind quickly changed). I sometimes assume people are town until there is evidence to the contrary, as was the case here (after which I got to business). The post served its purpose of attracting attention and not lynching Vivax, though.
Which is good thing because..?
Because I didn't see any reason to call Vivax mafia? I don't really get raynpelikoneet's case on Vivax. I mean, it makes sense and is logical, but I don't think it fits mafia motivation. (1) Why would mafia be so uncooperative and lie about meta, what does it gain them?
(1) That was not the whole point. I hate when people take one small part of the case and (intentionally) fail to see the big picture. The big picture here is the following; I don't actually think someone falsely using meta is indeed scummy because people misremember things, and truth to be told Cake hasn't played that much here. But when i went and read the games they had played together it became apparent that Vivax is not telling the truth. You can all go and confirm what i said if you want to, here is the only game Vivax and Cake have been town in together on this forum. Whether Vivax was not telling the truth intentionally or not, the whole point regarding that stands. When you have based your scumread on false premises, and someone comes and debunks every argument for your scumread (which is literally what happened here), If you are town you start re-evaluating because your point doesn't actually hold water and you should know it. Vivax never does that. Trfel never acknowledges this fact (which is literally the point of my argument regarding this), and i don't like he's only arguing "half" of the argument because he can make up a "townie explanation" for part of it. Hope you get what i mean.
On June 04 2020 16:13 Trfel wrote: I could see raynpelikoneet being mafia too. Two main reasons. (2) Firstly, his focus doesn't seem to match his scumreads. He posts a long post on why CopCake is suspicious and then votes for Vivax over something small, and then posts a mini case on me, and then still votes for Vivax.
And second, he doesn't feel very invested. He's been here and calling things out and it's logical and makes sense but he can do that as mafia, easily. But it doesn't feel like he really cares about what he's saying. (3) He didn't clearly and concisely say why he thought Vivax was mafia until requested to, where if he really wanted Vivax lynched he could post a case on his own accord and actually push for that lynch. Before the flip raynpelikoneet didn't seem to care, and (4) after he didn't seem to care either, only talking about Jockmcplop and not any of his other scumreads. I'm trying to not focus too hard on deadline stuff because apparently he needed to sleep but despite that he feels a bit disconnected and slightly apathetic to the game, despite being very present.
(2) That is just simply untrue. You can go to my filter and see that i was never convinced that Cake was mafia. The reason i voted for Vivax originally was because he wouldn't give me an answer to my concern. When i pushed for the answer i got a mafia answer. I had no reason to switch my vote. I don't think i also had no reason to NOT question other things i found suspicious since there was still a lot of time left in the day (i mean if i think Vivax is mafia for having a bs townread on me why should i do nothing else than yelling he is mafia???). Then Trfel made his super bad backpedal from Cake read and i called it out. Then Vivax made his bs meta read and i called it out and added it to my scumread on him.
Another thing here. I tend to encourage people to think with their own brain. Just because i didn't write a big case on Vivax right after i had "all the pieces" doesn't mean i didn't care about my scumread (or the game or whatever Trfel is saying). If you carefully read my filter you can very easily tell why i scumread Vivax even without the case. Like it is super obvious or at least should be. In addition to that, i literally had no time between the post where i ended my "chat" with Vivax and when i answered Zey about why am i voting for Vivax. I can sure post my "schedule" for my wednesday if anyone is concerned and had you not lynched Cake she could even confirm i am not lying if anyone is STILL concerned....
(3) See above.
(4) I am not sure what i was supposed to question? Can someone tell me why i should question my scumreads Vivax/Trfel on why they voted for someone else than Vivax/Trfel? Because for me the answer is apparent lol. Jock's vote change in the end was suspect to me. Because it made no sense from town pov. So that's why i questioned it. What else was i supposed to question? Smells like terrible argument with no thinking behind it.
Tictock wrote: I said I had stuff to say about Trfel, and to be honest Zey and Jeeka pretty much hit on it already but I'll briefly go over what I saw.
Tictock wrote: Just going off of filter I'd say Trfel going for cake actually kinda makes sense since he had questioned her early/easy townread of Jock.
How I "pretty much hit on it" if the only thing I was saying was "Trfel going for cake doesn't make sense" and you are saying that you believe that it made sense?
Oh i needed to add one thing. I never even realised Cake was up for lynch. I dont remember if the votes happened before or after i had to go to bed but i was under impression we are lynching Vivax or Trfel (since noone really wanted to actually lynch shockeyy).
I’m down for Trfel or Vivax today, idk if you saw my interaction with Vivax but he essentially just stopped posting after, and we had a whole day of silence. He’s definitely lurking.
The thing is it's not a lie. In my book. I don't know how you fact check, but according to my metric it fits. Last game me and cake were both town I remember her for being a pita. Because she was somehow the only one still thinking I could be mafia in the thread. That she was more cautious in how she read me in this game set me off, though in hindsight I shouldn't have put so much weight into that. The Ticktock stuff on top really made me sure though.
And tbh I was expecting to be lynched as well.
I think, rayn, that right now you are again falling into the vet+active player bias you tend to for picking who to scumread. Do you have any reason to be discounting zey here? I don't think she has been particularly townie and esp. the way she read Trfel at the beginning felt like she felt pressured into forming a scumread from being pushed to discuss him.
On June 05 2020 03:53 Vivax wrote: Will consider looking into him a bit harder. But basically he's been very townie last game and lynched regardless, so maybe now he cba to try too hard. But that's the point, he's not trying to look like he's trying hard and the way he casually called out rayn felt townie to me. As mafia he was more...Contributive, but in a quantity over quality way. While he talked about a lot of stuff you didn't get a picture of where his head was at, much like I feel about TT this game.
On June 05 2020 03:53 Vivax wrote: Will consider looking into him a bit harder. But basically he's been very townie last game and lynched regardless, so maybe now he cba to try too hard. But that's the point, he's not trying to look like he's trying hard and the way he casually called out rayn felt townie to me. As mafia he was more...Contributive, but in a quantity over quality way. While he talked about a lot of stuff you didn't get a picture of where his head was at, much like I feel about TT this game.
Did you look into Trfel or not?
Yep. Doesn't shift me particularly either way. His rayn scumread-ish is interesting but not worth putting much weight into if he doesn't pursue it further.
I mean the fact zey scumreads TT convinces me even further as if I could have hit a nerve mentioning the team because as I noticed last game mafia likes to tend to scumread each other.
Maybe I'm wrong and Trfel is mafia and zey is calling out both mafia? Idk, the other townies can decide that if Trfel just decides to not pursue his rayn thought further and let a mislynch happen. If he gets a burst in motivation I think that he can not only look very townie but also find the mafia.
That said I'd like him to weigh in on the TT+zey scenario.
Then what is the last game? Because for sure the only game i could find is the Chili hop and she calls you 85% town at some point (when she talks about her read on you) and that was like top 2 or 3 town read.
Also i dont think i am falling into anything. Like i am literally trying to NOT fall into stuff like that based on games where i have seriously under-performed just because someone does something too scummy to be scum and i can't believe mafia can be that stupid. I am just calling out shit that is scummy and i think you and trfel are the scummiest by your actions in my opinion.
Like i dont really know what you want to do, Vivax. I know you want to lynch TT but i am most likely not going to do that even if i thought you are town. I actually do have a town read on him especially because of his actions eod1 -> . I did consider him mafia based on if shockeyy is town but then i decided that's a dumb metric since i dont really know what shockeyy is and he is following you and trfel in the scummy department.
i do have some reasons to discount Zey here. Not anything definite, which is why i have been posing some questions towards her. However, i dont mind the answers so far. I also think she's been having some observations that, right or wrong, look good on her. If we were playing in finnish i would definitely be more suspicious of her, but yeah.. I can see her being laid back being a result of a "new environment" up to some point. I dont know what you mean with the feeling pressured to read trfel in certain way though?
But well, let's make a deal Vivax. I am gonna consider you confirmed town until let's say 6 hrs before deadline. Convince me of anything you want to. Truth to be told i dont think i am gonna change my mind on you unless you make a pretty much slam dunk case, and i will help you in case you are up to that. You haven't showed the town!Vivax i know, i am gonna give you a chance. You either take it or leave it.
Also get rid of the PoE from D1, i think that's just stupid in case you're town. Because for me it looks like you're hiding behind your PoE just to avoid commenting on ACTUALLY good stuff people have brought on Trfel.
On June 05 2020 02:53 Vivax wrote: I encourage peeps to look at TT's filter. It's kinda telling at quick glance.
- Settles for a very early cop townread. - Agrees with cop early on Shockeyy being scum. - His followup before deadline doesn't reflect any intention of directing the lynch either way, when he really should have a clear cut opinion of what the game should be doing. - Most posts are rather focused at discussing stuff from all sorts of topics. Like asking me about what I was saying about cake, but not really coming out with something from it that would make him say I'm wrong and cake is town. Or I'm mafia and cake is town. He just kinda okay's the replies he gets and minds his own business. - Instead asks me why he should consider zey, then asks Jock why he should consider me. Two posts he's doubting his Trfel read, then his read on me.
He has a very hands-off approach to the game. He did look at zey but didn't come out with a conclusion, just a question of whether zey thinks he's scum. Then he voted me for the sake of not voting cop. Again, easy out.
You don't get the feeling TT analyzes posts and asks question to reach a clear-cut way of seeing the game that he can stick to and influence the lynch the way he likes. It's really just a pretense to be insecure, while usually that should push townies towards reconsidering things in a hurry, he appears more calm and mechanical.
Shouldn't he have had a clear opinion to lynch Shockeyy considering he was questioning my townread on him? That read just sort of went away towards the end and he was just contemplating Trfel, myself, even after I apparently swayed him that Shock could be town.
tl;dr: I don't think Ticktock has a real opinion on things and he's struggling to make it look like he does.
Wow this is such a forced narrative on me, the only truthful bit is that I kinda decided cake was town early and never felt the need to question that.
I was the first person to be pushing Sho scum, and I still think he could easily be scum, cake and Trfel both kinda piggybacked on the points I made.
Near EoD it was clear to me that my preferred lunch (Sho) wasn't happening, and started to reconsider and ask questions to decide where to vote. I had weak townreads on both Vivax and Trfel so I was trying to weigh who I might have been wrong about and would be more ok to vote.
It is frustrating to play with some of you guys who base so much on meta. Like to me Sho was literally playing "to scummy to be scum" and even though everyone kinda agreed you all just give it a pass due to that being his D1 meta. I tried to argue my read but being constantly rebuked with that argument makes it feel fruitless to push it anymore.
I mean when he replied to my stuff here my first reaction was to burst out laughing at the WOW THIS IS SUCH A FORCED NARRATIVE.
But I still have to reply to this reply to my post, which I am probably not content with in how it responds to my accusation.
Not now though I'd love to because I'm going for a bbq in the woods.
On June 05 2020 22:58 Vivax wrote: I mean the fact zey scumreads TT convinces me even further as if I could have hit a nerve mentioning the team because as I noticed last game mafia likes to tend to scumread each other.
I understand certain people do certain things but why would you assume OTHER people play mafia similarily??? I think it's a really dumb assumption and doesn't make much sense. If it was like that you could always tell who is mafia when you lynch the first one lol.
On June 05 2020 22:58 Vivax wrote: I mean the fact zey scumreads TT convinces me even further as if I could have hit a nerve mentioning the team because as I noticed last game mafia likes to tend to scumread each other.
I understand certain people do certain things but why would you assume OTHER people play mafia similarily??? I think it's a really dumb assumption and doesn't make much sense. If it was like that you could always tell who is mafia when you lynch the first one lol.
As mafia you kinda feel vulnerable when someone calls you and your mate out and you tend to get pushed into the thinking that you are more obvious than you actually are, so you get a hang for bussing.
I see that as fact but I also acknowledge that it isn't an argument either of them should be lynched for. But in case one of them flips scum I hope someone thinks back to this instead of giving out cred for bussing.
Looking forward to seeing what made Vivax BURST OUT LAUGHING about me saying his post is a forced narrative. I mean guy has been calling me mafia literally since the start of the game, finally puts together a case-post about it, and it's literally all easily fact-checkable to be false. So I'm gunna calls it as I sees it.
@Zey, I wasn't super clear (and I forgot a couple things, which is a lesson to not start drinking early and try to play mafia). When I said "from Trfel's filter the cake read kinda makes sense" what I meant is that his cake read didn't just appear or change when he reappeared. There was a sense that he could have been scum-reading her since early on. I very much agree with you that Trfel N1 made a ton of posts that backtrack and retcon what his reads where D1.
Actually on that topic, I love Jeeka's point about Trfel voting with Sho. Trfel ignoring Sho EoD (when he had earlier said Sho looked scummy) is super suspect imo, but I had failed to notice that in voting for cake he was also voting with his scum read Sho >.<
I am gunna make an effort to be around a bit later tonight, but I am frankly going to be pretty useless this weekend due to roomates Bday I mentioned. I'm using the whole thing as an excuse to build a firepit in the backyeard which has been on my project list for awhile now and am going to be baking birthday and party treats most of the day tomorrow.
On June 05 2020 23:21 Vivax wrote: Though I'll pull a sicklucker and bet my left nut on Shockeyy being 100% town.
And TT wants the easy lynch.
This post seems towny to me after looking at TT's voting pattern and TT's post history. Although I still don't like how Vivax and Trfel seem to never interact.
But this point I just don't see how Trfel can survive D2, he's essentially been floating by without having to even put effort into the game.
Tictock wrote: When I said "from Trfel's filter the cake read kinda makes sense" what I meant is that his cake read didn't just appear or change when he reappeared.
In my opinion it did just appear. Even if you forget what he said N1 and D1 on the last hour, still. I don't see any hint that Trfel would think that Cake is scum. Like here:
Trfel wrote: I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. (1) I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. (2)To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. (3)But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it.
(1) If I'm understanding this right he is saying that his question to Cake didn't lead to any opinion about her and there wasn't even really a change to lead anywhere. (2) Trfel is saying that even rayns hi was scummier than Cakes townread on Jock. And (3) he doesn't really think that even that was scummy. So how you are thinking that Cake read didn't just appear?
Sho wrote: If TT and Trfel are scum buddies, is TT bussing his partner?
I think it is possible. Looking to Tictocks filter I don't see anything to make it impossible. I mean he didn't suspect Trfel until N1 and then Trfel had drawn attention to himself already.
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Tictock wrote: When I said "from Trfel's filter the cake read kinda makes sense" what I meant is that his cake read didn't just appear or change when he reappeared.
In my opinion it did just appear. Even if you forget what he said N1 and D1 on the last hour, still. I don't see any hint that Trfel would think that Cake is scum. Like here:
Trfel wrote: I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. (1) I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. (2)To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. (3)But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it.
(1) If I'm understanding this right he is saying that his question to Cake didn't lead to any opinion about her and there wasn't even really a change to lead anywhere. (2) Trfel is saying that even rayns hi was scummier than Cakes townread on Jock. And (3) he doesn't really think that even that was scummy. So how you are thinking that Cake read didn't just appear?
Humm, this pacing to a day gives me the heebies. At the same time it makes sense for a kinda defeated-feeling Trfel/Vivax team. I'd expect a bit more invigoration after pulling the switch to cake D1...
Then again if I was in mafia!Trfel's shoes I'd feel backed into an unwinnable spot as well and not want to play.
I suppose there is nothing to it but to see what the flip is.
If so I skimmed over that bit, but I'm confused why you keep hammering me on this. You seem to just be furthering the argument that Trfel's actions and reads are completely mismatched, and I've been making the same argument.
On June 05 2020 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna answer Trfel though. Obviously i dont think his case has any merit but i wanna see what he does after. First thing is this:
So, you dont think Vivax is town. You and cake are both next in two votes, and you vote Cake soon after, so you definitely don't think she's town.
On June 04 2020 05:42 Trfel wrote: Why are we lynching people who are town?
So what on earth does this mean then?
I was half-joking, and did kinda think CopCake was town (though my mind quickly changed). I sometimes assume people are town until there is evidence to the contrary, as was the case here (after which I got to business). The post served its purpose of attracting attention and not lynching Vivax, though.
Which is good thing because..?
Because I didn't see any reason to call Vivax mafia? I don't really get raynpelikoneet's case on Vivax. I mean, it makes sense and is logical, but I don't think it fits mafia motivation. (1) Why would mafia be so uncooperative and lie about meta, what does it gain them?
(1) That was not the whole point. I hate when people take one small part of the case and (intentionally) fail to see the big picture. The big picture here is the following; I don't actually think someone falsely using meta is indeed scummy because people misremember things, and truth to be told Cake hasn't played that much here. But when i went and read the games they had played together it became apparent that Vivax is not telling the truth. You can all go and confirm what i said if you want to, here is the only game Vivax and Cake have been town in together on this forum. Whether Vivax was not telling the truth intentionally or not, the whole point regarding that stands. When you have based your scumread on false premises, and someone comes and debunks every argument for your scumread (which is literally what happened here), If you are town you start re-evaluating because your point doesn't actually hold water and you should know it. Vivax never does that. Trfel never acknowledges this fact (which is literally the point of my argument regarding this), and i don't like he's only arguing "half" of the argument because he can make up a "townie explanation" for part of it. Hope you get what i mean.
On June 04 2020 16:13 Trfel wrote: I could see raynpelikoneet being mafia too. Two main reasons. (2) Firstly, his focus doesn't seem to match his scumreads. He posts a long post on why CopCake is suspicious and then votes for Vivax over something small, and then posts a mini case on me, and then still votes for Vivax.
And second, he doesn't feel very invested. He's been here and calling things out and it's logical and makes sense but he can do that as mafia, easily. But it doesn't feel like he really cares about what he's saying. (3) He didn't clearly and concisely say why he thought Vivax was mafia until requested to, where if he really wanted Vivax lynched he could post a case on his own accord and actually push for that lynch. Before the flip raynpelikoneet didn't seem to care, and (4) after he didn't seem to care either, only talking about Jockmcplop and not any of his other scumreads. I'm trying to not focus too hard on deadline stuff because apparently he needed to sleep but despite that he feels a bit disconnected and slightly apathetic to the game, despite being very present.
(2) That is just simply untrue. You can go to my filter and see that i was never convinced that Cake was mafia. The reason i voted for Vivax originally was because he wouldn't give me an answer to my concern. When i pushed for the answer i got a mafia answer. I had no reason to switch my vote. I don't think i also had no reason to NOT question other things i found suspicious since there was still a lot of time left in the day (i mean if i think Vivax is mafia for having a bs townread on me why should i do nothing else than yelling he is mafia???). Then Trfel made his super bad backpedal from Cake read and i called it out. Then Vivax made his bs meta read and i called it out and added it to my scumread on him.
Another thing here. I tend to encourage people to think with their own brain. Just because i didn't write a big case on Vivax right after i had "all the pieces" doesn't mean i didn't care about my scumread (or the game or whatever Trfel is saying). If you carefully read my filter you can very easily tell why i scumread Vivax even without the case. Like it is super obvious or at least should be. In addition to that, i literally had no time between the post where i ended my "chat" with Vivax and when i answered Zey about why am i voting for Vivax. I can sure post my "schedule" for my wednesday if anyone is concerned and had you not lynched Cake she could even confirm i am not lying if anyone is STILL concerned....
(3) See above.
(4) I am not sure what i was supposed to question? Can someone tell me why i should question my scumreads Vivax/Trfel on why they voted for someone else than Vivax/Trfel? Because for me the answer is apparent lol. Jock's vote change in the end was suspect to me. Because it made no sense from town pov. So that's why i questioned it. What else was i supposed to question? Smells like terrible argument with no thinking behind it.
So there is that, ball's in your court now Trfel.
(1) I apologize, I didn't mean to intentionally misrepresent your point. I just missed the key part, apparently. I've been playing really poorly this game My fault, not yours. That makes a whole lot more sense, I'll have to rethink that then.
(2) through (4) I feel like are just a matter of opinion. Maybe my opinion is wrong. I'm less confident now than I was before, not that I was super confident before anyway, let me try and reread and see if anything comes up.
Also, I apologize for my poor play this game. I don't really have any excuse I dunno why I'm so disconnected. I don't blame anyone for scumreading me because that makes total sense, heck I'd scumread myself if it wasn't for my role PM.
As far as the opening posts go, I found raynpelikoneet's first post (the "Hi" post) more interesting than Vivax's post, yes. I don't actually know what Vivax's post that you are referring to was (he only made one post at this time in the game, no?), I think some people are confused about what time I actually posted my point on. But the reasoning is the timing of the post. "Hi" isn't suspicious itself, it's that he didn't engage with the thread at all that I found slightly suspicious. It's not the content of the post, it's what wasn't in the post. Again, it's a small thing, and I was primarily focused on starting discussion, I don't actually think that makes raynpelikoneet mafia or anything. Just the best suspicion I had at the time.
If there are any further questions about this or anything else, please feel free to ask. I'll try and be around a bit. But it's difficult for me to get motivation to play when I can't figure out who is mafia and everyone thinks I am mafia
Tictock wrote: When I said "from Trfel's filter the cake read kinda makes sense" what I meant is that his cake read didn't just appear or change when he reappeared.
In my opinion it did just appear. Even if you forget what he said N1 and D1 on the last hour, still. I don't see any hint that Trfel would think that Cake is scum. Like here:
Trfel wrote: I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. (1) I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. (2)To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. (3)But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it.
(1) If I'm understanding this right he is saying that his question to Cake didn't lead to any opinion about her and there wasn't even really a change to lead anywhere. (2) Trfel is saying that even rayns hi was scummier than Cakes townread on Jock. And (3) he doesn't really think that even that was scummy. So how you are thinking that Cake read didn't just appear?
Yes, it's correct. My decision to scumread CopCake came in just a few minutes as I was quickly reading filters before the lynch.
As for why I questioned CopCake, if she didn't respond that way, then I think it would have been a valid reason to scumread her. Yes, I know I got the most likely response (regardless of alignment), but is that a reason to not try? Especially at the start of the game, I think it's worth pursuing a little, it doesn't hurt anything.
Oh, and who was it that accused me of having too low of an accuracy of scumreads? Yes I was wrong on CopCake, and for that I apologize, but being wrong in one read on Day 1 isn't that noteworthy honestly. Kinda annoyed at that reason to scumread me. Almost seems dumb enough I might OMGUS it.
On June 06 2020 03:22 ShoCkeyy wrote: But this point I just don't see how Trfel can survive D2, he's essentially been floating by without having to even put effort into the game.
This is actually nonsense, sure I haven't been very effective but I have been here. I was absent for a 24-hour period (or so) in the middle of Day 1, but outside of that I've been here. I've explained reasons to be suspicious of people. I've contributed more reads and more explanations to the game than ShoCkeyy has, for example. Yes, I'm having a hard time finding mafia this game, but so is everyone. Blindly saying I'm not trying at all shows a clear lack of reading, and feels like blatantly lying about my play this game.
Players who "float by without putting in effort" don't reread filters, or post mini-cases, and post more when they're being scumread.
On June 02 2020 23:31 jeekaka wrote: I can actually see the world where Copcake is town and Scum!Trfel sees Cake's townread of Jock as an easy thing to pick up.
I don't think that Trfel's question about Cake's townread was scummy. To me it just looks somebody who wants people to talk more that game would really start. It would be different if he would have said that Cake is scummy because of that. But I'm still wondering why he said that rayn's first post was scummiest entrance. I mean I don't see how it would be scummiest and I don't see how Trfel can believe that he would get any read about rayn with something like that.
Posts like this stick out to me too. Why bother defending someone you are about to scumread? Especially with how confident this early scumread seems to be.
Looking through Zey's filter, I'm actually extremely unimpressed. She has contributed very little to this game, only a scumread on me (discussed in most of her posts) and a scumread on Tictock (the only reason given is because his top scumread was ShoCkeyy). If you are trying to find a potential mafia floating "under the radar," look at Zey. I could very easily see Zey being mafia here.
Jock wrote: I'm considering switching to copcake right now. Reasons: The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient.
Hmm, wasn't Cake getting cold feet before you even mentioned you were getting?
Half an hour later Jock is dead.
I just think subconsciously you probably would not start questioning someone who you know is not gonna be there to answer.
Jeekaka, I think you are probably town (you've raised points that are actually decent), but I highly disagree with this. I know before that as mafia I have posted large cases on people that I was night-killing at the deadline, to make the night kill less associated with me. I don't think this is a valid point at all and would encourage you to re-evaluate your read on Zey.
Honestly I kinda liked raynpelikoneet's response to my post on him. His first point in particular makes a ton of sense, I had not thought about it that way at all. I can still see him being mafia here (I have little reason to townread him, since I know he is a strong scum player), but I'm a bit hesitant to lynch him today. I feel like ShoCkeyy and Zey are better targets.
I actually feel decent about mafia being in ShoCkeyy/Zey/maybe raynpelikoneet/mayyyyybe Vivax. I realize that Vivax has been lazy this game, which is consistent with his typical mafia meta (as breakable as that may be), and he is a very capable town player. So that does point to him being mafia. However I think it's possible for town players to have off-games, and if ever there was a game for an off-game, it would be this one (it's kinda demotivating when there is so little activity/response and everyone is suspicious of you, another example of this is myself of course). When I read Vivax's posts, in general his reads seem to make sense.
For example, in contrast to ShoCkeyy and Zey, Vivax has been lazier, but I know what he thinks and why. And except for the meta read on CopCake (as raynpelikoneet pointed out), I can see where he is coming from in his reads. He's brought up some original points and such. So I'm guessing Vivax is town here.
In fact, I should probably take a second look at Tictock, since Vivax says so. But for now, I'll vote for ShoCkeyy.
On June 06 2020 11:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: You just wrote a bunch of nothing to just say you’re going to vote for me. Cool man.
I didn't write a bunch of nothing. Please explain how you can call my reads "a bunch of nothing."
That’s exactly what you did to me. You said I had no reads yet you didn’t even try and read anything I wrote. You just put these huge walls of text and then say you’re going to vote for me. I feel like I essentially re-read your first 10 posts all over again.
On June 06 2020 11:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: You just wrote a bunch of nothing to just say you’re going to vote for me. Cool man.
I didn't write a bunch of nothing. Please explain how you can call my reads "a bunch of nothing."
That’s exactly what you did to me. You said I had no reads yet you didn’t even try and read anything I wrote. You just put these huge walls of text and then say you’re going to vote for me. I feel like I essentially re-read your first 10 posts all over again.
First, I never said you have no reads. Second, I've read your filter several times.
I'm really not sure what you are getting at.
There's a really big difference between what I have said and "no reads." In fact, over these past several posts I've barely talked about you, because nothing has changed much. How do you feel like it's repetitive, when I barely mentioned you?
Look, ShoCkeyy, I'm happy to re-evaluate my read on you. But it's really hard for me to do that when you're accusing me of not reading your posts, when in fact I've done the opposite.
I made one post where I said I don't know what your reads are except for one scumread. Please go back in your filter and show me other posts you made before then with other reads. I acknowledged your one read.
In future posts, after which you posted more reads, I even acknowledged those reads. Your lack of reads is not a reason I am scumreading you, because you do have reads. That's what my posts say.
Looking through TicTock's filter, I think he could definitely be mafia here too. Probably not with ShoCkeyy, which puts me in an awkward position.
It's his read progression on ShoCkeyy and Vivax that makes no sense to me. He scumreads ShoCkeyy for posting useless things, sure. Then he eventually kinda backs off on ShoCkeyy some (? unclear what he really thought about ShoCkeyy) due to trusting Vivax, a null to slight town read. Then he decides that me and Vivax are mafia but still thinks ShoCkeyy is town, presumably based on Vivax's reasoning.
The ShoCkeyy read feels forced here. It goes away when it's convenient and comes back when it's convenient, regardless of what logic would suggest. The scumread on Vivax came up out of nowhere, too.
On June 05 2020 19:10 jeekaka wrote: And that detail about Zey:
On June 05 2020 05:33 Zey wrote:
Jock wrote: I'm considering switching to copcake right now. Reasons: The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient.
Hmm, wasn't Cake getting cold feet before you even mentioned you were getting?
Half an hour later Jock is dead.
I just think subconsciously you probably would not start questioning someone who you know is not gonna be there to answer.
Jeekaka, I think you are probably town (you've raised points that are actually decent), but I highly disagree with this. I know before that as mafia I have posted large cases on people that I was night-killing at the deadline, to make the night kill less associated with me. I don't think this is a valid point at all and would encourage you to re-evaluate your read on Zey.
I thought about it, as it could have been faked, but it is not a huge case, it's not even a case, it's just a question, it's barely noticeable. Self centered me just noticed it because I was very worried when you didn't mention me at all N1 and I was very much worried of being NK X)
In our home forum you cannot post at night, but of course Zey could have still thought of it, or scum buddy could have adviced her. But in that case I think it could be more clearly formatted as Zey being suspicious of Jock.
On June 06 2020 09:34 Trfel wrote: Oh, and who was it that accused me of having too low of an accuracy of scumreads? Yes I was wrong on CopCake, and for that I apologize, but being wrong in one read on Day 1 isn't that noteworthy honestly. Kinda annoyed at that reason to scumread me. Almost seems dumb enough I might OMGUS it.
That was probably me :D But I was just joking about that town hero thing, because that actually would only make sense if Cake actually had been wolf, as even if Vivax is vanilla town too his flip would have made so much more sense as now everybody keeps suspecting him even more and he's apparently unmotivated because of it.
Hey jeekaka, any thoughts about who to vote for? Any thoughts on my scumreads?
Honestly I'm really disappointed at having no feedback or thoughts, then people are just going to come back tomorrow and lynch me for not contributing It's really discouraging. I wish I could at least talk to people but it doesn't seem like that is the case.
I think your scumreads are decent, actually i listed Shock/Zey in my possible scum pairs as well.
Mostly I just wonder about you and Vivax hard townreading each other. You yourself admit it's very reasonable to suspect you - what do you think about Vivax not suspecting you at all?
On June 06 2020 14:18 jeekaka wrote: I think your scumreads are decent, actually i listed Shock/Zey in my possible scum pairs as well.
Mostly I just wonder about you and Vivax hard townreading each other. You yourself admit it's very reasonable to suspect you - what do you think about Vivax not suspecting you at all?
I don't want to dive deep into self-meta since I think self-meta is a very ridiculous thing. As in, typically it's too much to expect other people to fully understand/recognize/believe it.
Vivax knows my play fairly well, he was actually my coach in my first mafia game here. He knows I've had my share of effortful and lazy games. Furthermore I don't think he's calling me town, I believe he's more saying I'm null, which is (imo) a reasonable stance. See here (bold):
On June 05 2020 03:53 Vivax wrote: Will consider looking into him a bit harder. But basically he's been very townie last game and lynched regardless, so maybe now he cba to try too hard. But that's the point, he's not trying to look like he's trying hard and the way he casually called out rayn felt townie to me. As mafia he was more...Contributive, but in a quantity over quality way. While he talked about a lot of stuff you didn't get a picture of where his head was at, much like I feel about TT this game.
Did you look into Trfel or not?
Yep. Doesn't shift me particularly either way. His rayn scumread-ish is interesting but not worth putting much weight into if he doesn't pursue it further.
I'm still in a TT+zey world.
I'm reading Vivax more town than he's reading me. But both of us have other targets we feel are better lynches, to me that seems fine.
On June 04 2020 02:07 Vivax wrote: What do you peeps think of zeys read progression on Trfel? Reads a bit like she got talked into it.
On June 04 2020 03:16 Vivax wrote: And shockeyy as mafia is more disinterested and less shitposty and reactive.
You need to really be on him constantly to pull info out of him
On June 05 2020 02:53 Vivax wrote: I encourage peeps to look at TT's filter. It's kinda telling at quick glance.
- Settles for a very early cop townread. - Agrees with cop early on Shockeyy being scum. - His followup before deadline doesn't reflect any intention of directing the lynch either way, when he really should have a clear cut opinion of what the game should be doing. - Most posts are rather focused at discussing stuff from all sorts of topics. Like asking me about what I was saying about cake, but not really coming out with something from it that would make him say I'm wrong and cake is town. Or I'm mafia and cake is town. He just kinda okay's the replies he gets and minds his own business. - Instead asks me why he should consider zey, then asks Jock why he should consider me. Two posts he's doubting his Trfel read, then his read on me.
He has a very hands-off approach to the game. He did look at zey but didn't come out with a conclusion, just a question of whether zey thinks he's scum. Then he voted me for the sake of not voting cop. Again, easy out.
You don't get the feeling TT analyzes posts and asks question to reach a clear-cut way of seeing the game that he can stick to and influence the lynch the way he likes. It's really just a pretense to be insecure, while usually that should push townies towards reconsidering things in a hurry, he appears more calm and mechanical.
Shouldn't he have had a clear opinion to lynch Shockeyy considering he was questioning my townread on him? That read just sort of went away towards the end and he was just contemplating Trfel, myself, even after I apparently swayed him that Shock could be town.
tl;dr: I don't think Ticktock has a real opinion on things and he's struggling to make it look like he does.
On June 05 2020 03:53 Vivax wrote: Will consider looking into him a bit harder. But basically he's been very townie last game and lynched regardless, so maybe now he cba to try too hard. But that's the point, he's not trying to look like he's trying hard and the way he casually called out rayn felt townie to me. As mafia he was more...Contributive, but in a quantity over quality way. While he talked about a lot of stuff you didn't get a picture of where his head was at, much like I feel about TT this game.
On June 06 2020 14:34 jeekaka wrote: You read Shock and Tictock very differently than Vivax though.
What are your thoughts of them in comparison to Vivax's thoughts you just quoted?
I'm kinda reconsidering my Tictock read currently, instigated by what Vivax is bringing up.
ShoCkeyy is really hard to read, I understand where Vivax is coming from and it makes me question my read on ShoCkeyy too. I think Vivax's read makes sense even if I disagree with it to some extent.
On June 06 2020 14:18 jeekaka wrote: I think your scumreads are decent, actually i listed Shock/Zey in my possible scum pairs as well.
Mostly I just wonder about you and Vivax hard townreading each other. You yourself admit it's very reasonable to suspect you - what do you think about Vivax not suspecting you at all?
I don't want to dive deep into self-meta since I think self-meta is a very ridiculous thing. As in, typically it's too much to expect other people to fully understand/recognize/believe it.
Vivax knows my play fairly well, he was actually my coach in my first mafia game here. He knows I've had my share of effortful and lazy games. Furthermore I don't think he's calling me town, I believe he's more saying I'm null, which is (imo) a reasonable stance. See here (bold):
On June 05 2020 03:53 Vivax wrote: Will consider looking into him a bit harder. But basically he's been very townie last game and lynched regardless, so maybe now he cba to try too hard. But that's the point, he's not trying to look like he's trying hard and the way he casually called out rayn felt townie to me. As mafia he was more...Contributive, but in a quantity over quality way. While he talked about a lot of stuff you didn't get a picture of where his head was at, much like I feel about TT this game.
Did you look into Trfel or not?
Yep. Doesn't shift me particularly either way. His rayn scumread-ish is interesting but not worth putting much weight into if he doesn't pursue it further.
I'm still in a TT+zey world.
I'm reading Vivax more town than he's reading me. But both of us have other targets we feel are better lynches, to me that seems fine.
Maybe Vivax could clarify this himself?
Because to me it really seems he does not think you're null. D1 he townreads you, N1 he says he does not have any reason to think his former townreads are scum, he even calls you a town hero. Re-checking you does not shift him either way.
(But ok maybe you are right, more than townreading you he's probably just decided to stick to his PoE and not ever look anywhere else.)
Trfel... idk man. I actually like your recent string of posting, though I kinda hate your Sho vote for reasons I'm gunna fuck up articulating atm. + Show Spoiler [attempt] +
I can't help but feel Trfel is appealing the fact that I voted Sho D1 and started the current wagon on him
Multiple things make it like 99% likely you and Vivax are the scumteam here, like I'm pretty sure you even made some excuse for this not being Vivax's scumgame when I've heard multiple refferences to scum!Vivax playing a a rough but successful mafia game in the last game by breaking meta. His play this game makes a ton of sense to me as burnt out scum!vax not willing to make the effort again. Even besides Vivax though your EoD play and followup posts really make it hard to not see you as mafia here.
However, I do like what you've been posting and encourage you to keep it up. I'd like your opinion on one thing from today. + Show Spoiler +
Tictock wrote: Just going off of filter I'd say Trfel going for cake actually kinda makes sense since he had questioned her early/easy townread of Jock.
How it makes sense? Yeah he asked her reasoning, but here it sounds to me like he was okay with her answering:
Trfel wrote: I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can
And according to him even Rayns hi was more scummy than Cakes townread of Jock. AND he admitted that 4 minutes before he suggestes lynching Cake he was kinda thinking that Cake is town. So how it makes sense??
Tictock wrote: I said I had stuff to say about Trfel, and to be honest Zey and Jeeka pretty much hit on it already but I'll briefly go over what I saw.
Tictock wrote: Just going off of filter I'd say Trfel going for cake actually kinda makes sense since he had questioned her early/easy townread of Jock.
How I "pretty much hit on it" if the only thing I was saying was "Trfel going for cake doesn't make sense" and you are saying that you believe that it made sense?
Tictock wrote: When I said "from Trfel's filter the cake read kinda makes sense" what I meant is that his cake read didn't just appear or change when he reappeared.
In my opinion it did just appear. Even if you forget what he said N1 and D1 on the last hour, still. I don't see any hint that Trfel would think that Cake is scum. Like here:
Trfel wrote: I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. (1) I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. (2)To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. (3)But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it.
(1) If I'm understanding this right he is saying that his question to Cake didn't lead to any opinion about her and there wasn't even really a change to lead anywhere. (2) Trfel is saying that even rayns hi was scummier than Cakes townread on Jock. And (3) he doesn't really think that even that was scummy. So how you are thinking that Cake read didn't just appear?
Sho wrote: If TT and Trfel are scum buddies, is TT bussing his partner?
I think it is possible. Looking to Tictocks filter I don't see anything to make it impossible. I mean he didn't suspect Trfel until N1 and then Trfel had drawn attention to himself already.
Thoughts on that series of posts, and general interaction.
I'm kinda just living in the world where he's town due to Trfel/Vivax being scum... and I'm ok with it? I kinda dropped him from my world view for a bit near EoD and he's become a sortof white noise to the thread for me since....
Lol thinking about it now I know Sho has said things today, but I'm having a hard time thinking what any of it was >.<
I started to vote for ShoCkeyy because I thought he was the most suspicious person. If I really wanted to save myself here I would scumread Vivax. But my best read on Vivax is not mafia.
I am not sure if I will continue voting for ShoCkeyy, mostly because I am starting to get suspicious of TicTock. But I am not sure if there is a better target I don't know.
I didn't make any excuse for Vivax, I just don't really think he is mafia here. I explained it in the previous page.
Do you want to know my thoughts on that discussion as it relates to my alignment, or Zey's, or what? Honestly I kinda skimmed that part because it was hard for me to understand what people were saying As far as it relates to my alignment, I tried to answer it last page. I did come up with my scumread on CopCake out of thin air, in a matter of minutes. I had to, it was coming down to the deadline, there was no time for more. And I did feel like raynpelikoneet's Hi post was the most interesting entrance to the thread. I explained why last page as well.
Or did you want to know my thoughts about Zey? I don't recall getting anything meaningful from Zey's alignment, it seemed kinda like a meh trail of questioning that doesn't give much info with respect to Zey's alignment.
TicTock, if you are indeed town, I'm going to need to ask you to re-evaluate some things. Take another look at ShoCkeyy. Take another look at Vivax. Take another look at me. I don't really know why you think I am mafia, do explain? No silly associations, facts please.
On June 06 2020 14:53 Trfel wrote: Have you re-evaluated Tictock lately? What do you think of the concerns Vivax and I have expressed about him?
I am honestly having great difficulties imagining world where both you and Vivax are town, and it's just not very likely he's scum with either of you. Seeing him paired to Shock is also difficult. I admit Zey/Tictock is possibility here, but honestly Zey just not getting Tictock and Tt wondering why Zey keeps going on about it seems genuine to me, because I've been down that road with Zey too XD
And for me Tictock's response to Vivax's accusations seems truthful and matches my read of him.
On June 06 2020 15:15 Trfel wrote: TicTock, if you are indeed town, I'm going to need to ask you to re-evaluate some things. Take another look at ShoCkeyy. Take another look at Vivax. Take another look at me. I don't really know why you think I am mafia, do explain? No silly associations, facts please.
I'm gunna be honest, right now if I accept a world where you are town vivax could still be mafia, but I would easily lynch a few ppl before him.
The Zey stuff is actually most interesting to me. Those posts I quoted gave me weird vibes.
Yeah but no Tictock's not maf here because if he were - and if I'm right not with Vivax or Trfel - lunching them would be auto win. No need to start reconsidering.
Yea, reading in quantity is not happening, I'll try and make time tomorrow.
I'm imagining a groundhog day like D3 where we are still wonding if Trfel/Vivax is the team. I suppose even if that happens we'd have more info, a smaller lynch pool, and always the potential to lynch them then.
I'm trying to go to bed on a less conflicted note ^.^
I dunno Tictock, I'm having trouble getting much useful information from the posts you spoilered. Sorry
But seriously, I don't know why people really think I am mafia here. I can understand not thinking I am town, but I don't understand why everyone is so convinced I am mafia.
Yes, my activity was quite poor earlier. However, I've changed that now. I'm here, I'm present, I'm playing, I'm contributing quality thoughts. That's more than you can say for many of the players in this game.
So what if I find different things interesting than other people? Isn't that the beauty of the game, that different things stick out to different players? What a boring game it would be otherwise. How does that make me mafia?
Yes, my reads can change quickly. If you want meta, that's been a major mark of my town play the past few years (and unfortunately, is one of the main reasons why my lynch % has increased significantly), because I don't spend the time to review every little thing like I used to, so new information/new perspectives readily changes my reads. Fluid reads is generally considered a towny trait, as mafia have trouble changing their reads quickly. Especially when justified.
The one suspicious thing I've done is being wrong on CopCake. Granted, that was quite poor, and for that I (once again) apologize to all. But understand that I was in a rush to try and find something, as voting is mandatory in this game. Look at my play here, trying to analyze all of the possibilities and figure out the best lynch. This is how I play when I have more time and can analyze things more effectively. But in a five minute window or so, I'm not really sure what you expect from me.
I am really hesitant to say this, because saying this was a huge part of why I got lynched last game, but I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow Which basically paints a huge target on my back saying "here mafia, come and lynch me." But it's unavoidable, I am busy with my family. Which is a lot of why I am spending so much time tonight trying to figure out the best lynch, because I can't tomorrow.
So there. Do whatever you want. But I think I've played a very reasonable game, I think I've put forth a decent scum pool and as time permits I'll keep working to find the mafia. I encourage everyone to re-evaluate and take a look at what I've posted. I encourage those scumreading Vivax to take another look. I am confident that mafia is riding all of the easy Trfel/Vivax scumreads and not justifying them well, just following thread sentiment (because they aren't well-justified reads). If you lynch me, that's on you.
On June 06 2020 12:18 Trfel wrote: Looking through TicTock's filter, I think he could definitely be mafia here too. Probably not with ShoCkeyy, which puts me in an awkward position.
It's his read progression on ShoCkeyy and Vivax that makes no sense to me. He scumreads ShoCkeyy for posting useless things, sure. Then he eventually kinda backs off on ShoCkeyy some (? unclear what he really thought about ShoCkeyy) due to trusting Vivax, a null to slight town read. Then he decides that me and Vivax are mafia but still thinks ShoCkeyy is town, presumably based on Vivax's reasoning.
The ShoCkeyy read feels forced here. It goes away when it's convenient and comes back when it's convenient, regardless of what logic would suggest. The scumread on Vivax came up out of nowhere, too.
Honestly I feel pretty good about Tictock's filter, except for this.
I guess I should say, I'm sorry again for my lack of motivation and commitment this game. I think I underestimated the mental effect that last game's lynch had on me. Shouldn't have signed up to play this one I gave it my best given the circumstances though.
Gonna take a shot in the dark and say it's ShoCkeyy/Zey, probably my final guess tonight.
Trfel I don't scumread you because you were wrong about Cake, I scumread you because yesterday you didn't show any town progression in your sucmreads that just came up and then were forgotten, and you voted Cake even though your former top scumread was in the wagon and never questioned it a bit, and because your explanation of your thought process in EOD didn't make any sense.
And what comes to Vivax. D1 he dodged questions about his early townreads, his case on Cake was like super bad, and after almost lynched he basically told he's not gonna cooperate at all. Even you tell me his play fits his usual scum meta. It walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, but yeah most likely it's not a duck, or wtf??????
Zey is completely null to me, I really couldn't tell. She's not scum with Trfel or Tictock pretty sure, like not just because she scumreads them but in the big picture that does not make sense.
@Zey can you give me some kind of reads list to show where you are at the game, except in the Trfel/Tictock world.
On June 06 2020 17:00 jeekaka wrote: I thought Shock was super sketchy, but now that I did actually filter him it didn't come out quite as bad as I expected :D
@Shock could you point out where Cake scumreads Trfel for being afk?
On June 04 2020 05:18 CopCake wrote: Like, reading tfrl's filter it looks awful how he says he is going to sleep, then again that he is going to sleep and promises reads but never happen.
He also says that I didn't post that I felt "sincere" Jock's post but it is implied.
“Luckily” I got awoken by the police using tear gas or flash bangs outside of my apartment window on our peaceful protesters.
I even went through Zey's scum meta lol I never do that because I'm too lazy.
I don't know if that was any help. Like town!Zey can be super active, but I think struggling with the language (and maybe real life lol) is the biggest reason she's not now. When scum, Zey seems to be quite neutral towards her scum buddies, and I would say quite neutral in general. Here she seems to have strong opinions where she has them and she's not afraid to question or accuse people. But I have to say that Zey has been scum like three years ago and even her town meta has changed since :D
I'm kinda beat down today (entire week tbh). I also think I'm playing badly and need a stronger town to do the legwork.
Played a bit of devil's advocate with myself and looked at jeekaka, half-assedly. Worst (?) I could find is this:
On June 04 2020 14:07 jeekaka wrote: Shame you had to go before you had time to answer that question
I can see Vivax/Trfel world, I can see Jock/Trfel or even Shock/Trfel world where they want to save Vivax to be the next mislynch, and I can even see a distant rayn/Trfel world.
In any case I want Trfel's head.
On June 04 2020 05:35 jeekaka wrote: I think Vivax might be better lynch for today, as if town he could still be helpfull but he seems to be given up. Trfel is just away for whatever reason. But I'm getting too tired to really think.
(After the lynch)
On June 04 2020 12:30 jeekaka wrote: Wtf happened :D I basically fell asleep on my keyboard, now I feel bad I didn't switch to Vivax but I was so solid it was gonna be Trefl or Vivax I didn't really care.
On June 04 2020 06:42 Tictock wrote: Humm actually reading and catching up, I dont like Trfel's re-entry into the game.
On June 04 2020 05:42 Trfel wrote: Why are we lynching people who are town?
Trfel, why is Vivax town?
This actually makes me feel my vote was in the right place but still
Yeah, kinda odd conviction shift, oversleeping to vote me, into actually locking in Trfel as the 100% scum when before it sounded like I was more likely.
Not sure if slamdunk for a mafia argument, but worth mentioning/discussing I guess?
On June 04 2020 05:35 jeekaka wrote: I think Vivax might be better lynch for today, as if town he could still be helpfull but he seems to be given up. Trfel is just away for whatever reason. But I'm getting too tired to really think.
post-lynch
On June 04 2020 12:30 jeekaka wrote: Wtf happened :D I basically fell asleep on my keyboard, now I feel bad I didn't switch to Vivax but I was so solid it was gonna be Trefl or Vivax I didn't really care.
On June 04 2020 06:42 Tictock wrote: Humm actually reading and catching up, I dont like Trfel's re-entry into the game.
On June 04 2020 05:42 Trfel wrote: Why are we lynching people who are town?
Trfel, why is Vivax town?
This actually makes me feel my vote was in the right place but still
On June 04 2020 14:07 jeekaka wrote: Shame you had to go before you had time to answer that question
I can see Vivax/Trfel world, I can see Jock/Trfel or even Shock/Trfel world where they want to save Vivax to be the next mislynch, and I can even see a distant rayn/Trfel world.
Well what happened there was that Trfel was active in the thread, ignored a Tictocks question I had also quoted and when I called it out he was like "what question???" and when I quoted it again he was gone :D So it felt he was really doing his best to avoid answering it.
On June 06 2020 21:21 jeekaka wrote: Well what happened there was that Trfel was active in the thread, ignored a Tictocks question I had also quoted and when I called it out he was like "what question???" and when I quoted it again he was gone :D So it felt he was really doing his best to avoid answering it.
So according to you when I roll mafia all I've got to do is ask questions and if a townie doesn't answer it because he doesn't see it or thinks it's not his top priority, I got myself a mislynch?
There are reasons for townies to not answer to something immediately.
That's to say, do you really think that not answering things always makes people mafia?
Though I can see why someone could think he's being avoided and that makes him suspicious I guess. I just don't think only mafia feels a tad disconnected in this game.
I'm also not of the opinion I can just go and deliver something to rayn if he thinks I should be lynched. I'm just not mafia though and I can see why Trfel plays like he does.
Just having a hard time making a call if I decide not to follow my early nose. Jock's filter didn't look like he was killed for looking somewhere where nobody else did either.
On June 06 2020 21:21 jeekaka wrote: Well what happened there was that Trfel was active in the thread, ignored a Tictocks question I had also quoted and when I called it out he was like "what question???" and when I quoted it again he was gone :D So it felt he was really doing his best to avoid answering it.
So according to you when I roll mafia all I've got to do is ask questions and if a townie doesn't answer it because he doesn't see it or thinks it's not his top priority, I got myself a mislynch?
There are reasons for townies to not answer to something immediately.
That's to say, do you really think that not answering things always makes people mafia?
Where did I ever say so?
That interaction felt scummy at the time and my gut feeling was he just must be scum, but in case you haven't noticed I'm already out of the tunnel :----D
But I have to say that when I got the answer it made him look even worse.
If so I skimmed over that bit, but I'm confused why you keep hammering me on this. You seem to just be furthering the argument that Trfel's actions and reads are completely mismatched, and I've been making the same argument.
Yes it was. And I kept hammering because in my mind either I have really missed something (witch I really didn’t thought that would be so likely) or you are wrong and Cake read really just appeared. And if the second one is correct I think it is important because I don’t understand how you have come conclusion that Cake read didn’t appear. I might understand that if you just skimmed something to get more “content” to your post and didn’t bother to really read your top suspects posts when you are making post which you have advertised saying you have lot to say about Trfel. Doesn’t seem really townish to me.
jeekaka wrote: @Zey can you give me some kind of reads list to show where you are at the game, except in the Trfel/Tictock world.
Okay. I’m probably going to get nervous breakdown or something for trying to write longer text in english but I can try. :D So this is what is going on my mind when I’m thinking about players:
The most scummy
Trfel (First he was just doing something that might seem like chasing scums but not really chasing scums. His explanation for his question to rayn feels like he’s trying make it seem better than it was. His top scumread was Sho which seems to me like picking an easy target. And then there was end of D1 with his townread-Cake becoming scummy in 4 minutes and all the excuses afterwards. And there's weird trust to Vivax. I don’t why he trust him. I mean the reasoning what I founded was basically “Vivax acts like scum-Vivax do but it doesn’t tell anything because I haven’t been so active either”. If Trfel think Vivax is town, then he needs to think that rayns case about Vivax is wrong but he hasn’t really commented that (not the main points).)
Tictock (I don’t like how he was picking easy target. I don’t also follow why he is thinking Vivax is mafia? What I have understand, he thought Vivax is town until he didn’t like how Vivax suspected him, and then he was pretty sure that Vivax is mafia with Trfel. And then there is the thing, where Tictock seems to have only skimmed his top scumreads posts and I don’t get it.)
Vivax (I think rayn has a good case here. But I need to admit that without rayns case I wouldn’t have a clue about Vivax. I don’t know why but Vivaxs post are hardest to me to read. It’s like I have translated words that I don’t understand, I have asked my husband to translate hardest sentences and still don’t understand what he means. So I’ve kinda give up on that and have accepted that I just don’t understand him. I mean I read his post and try to understand it but if I don’t ... I’m not gonna waste my time there anymore. I think it’s more efficient if I read others post and try to fact check their accusations and stuff like that.)
ShoCkeyy (He seems to be that kind of player that it is hard to say which side he is. I have played before with someone like him so the weird stuff what he has done is more likely just his style not about his role. There isn’t anything that I could say he is town thought. So I have tried to keep on my mind the reasons why others think he is town or scum. What I have seen couple of players have suspect him with reasons that I think is only about his style (except for not playing for fun, which doesn’t seem like that to me). Jeekaka is thinking that Sho might be scum but the reasons are more about that Sho fits in many scumteam. Vivax seems to be only one who think Sho is town. The reasoning isn’t so bullet proof but it seems to take consider Shos playstyle. But I can’t really trust Vivax opinion because I think there is good change that he is mafia. So basically if Vivax isn’t scum it will make Sho townier to me. But otherwise I don’t know is he scum or not. But I think Trfel, Tictock and Vivax are more likely to be scums than Sho.)
raynpelikoneet (He hasn’t done anything scummy but not either anything that would make me say this is why rayn can’t be scum. Still I would say he is second towniest here because the feeling what I got D1. D1 I couldn’t follow without asking why rayn did vote Vivax. It might be only my bad english skill but still it makes me think little bit that as scum rayn would be more careful with his post. I mean I would expect scum-rayn to make a clear case and stick with it or make a new clear case. Keep posts like it would be really easy to follow his thoughts.)
jeekaka (I haven’t seen anything that would suggest that she is scum. Seems like she really thinks who might be scum and why, she has observed even little things etc. And there is tinfoil hat. <3)
On June 06 2020 02:40 Tictock wrote: Looking forward to seeing what made Vivax BURST OUT LAUGHING about me saying his post is a forced narrative. I mean guy has been calling me mafia literally since the start of the game, finally puts together a case-post about it, and it's literally all easily fact-checkable to be false. So I'm gunna calls it as I sees it.
@Zey, I wasn't super clear (and I forgot a couple things, which is a lesson to not start drinking early and try to play mafia). When I said "from Trfel's filter the cake read kinda makes sense" what I meant is that his cake read didn't just appear or change when he reappeared. There was a sense that he could have been scum-reading her since early on. I very much agree with you that Trfel N1 made a ton of posts that backtrack and retcon what his reads where D1.
Actually on that topic, I love Jeeka's point about Trfel voting with Sho. Trfel ignoring Sho EoD (when he had earlier said Sho looked scummy) is super suspect imo, but I had failed to notice that in voting for cake he was also voting with his scum read Sho >.<
I am gunna make an effort to be around a bit later tonight, but I am frankly going to be pretty useless this weekend due to roomates Bday I mentioned. I'm using the whole thing as an excuse to build a firepit in the backyeard which has been on my project list for awhile now and am going to be baking birthday and party treats most of the day tomorrow.
I laughed because being like WOW THIS IS SUCH A FORCED NARRATIVE was strongly hyperbole in a sense that it has to come from the slimiest, shadiest mafia scum in your head for someone to just make you go "OH WOW HE'S REACHING SO HARD".
But the rest of the post sort of comes across apologetic. Not like you want to murder yours truly for pushing lies on you.
That said, there's too many townies on the sidelines atm for me to really find out who wants to find the correct lynch. Rayn too, if town, is giving it 40% maybe. But really it's a pretty chill game so finding the super motivated people might not be the right approach.
At least I got some reaction out of TT? Doesn't seem to be particularly bothered with how I represented his play after all. I'd feel more comfortable if he went out of that post more convinced I was scum, since he doesn't think I have any point at all judging from his first reaction.
If I use the metric where scum just does nothing but post so-to-say politically correct posts where they don't ruffle any feathers, I'd probably have my eyes on Rayn + zey.
If I stick to my rayn townread I get to TickTock + zey. But TT really ruffles more feathers than zey. Jeekaka tries to be around and contributive without giving me too much of a feeling that it's from the sidelines.
I think between TT and zey, I'd lynch zey first. Looking through the filter I see the argument showing up a lot for Trfel and TT that they're probably scum for going after the easy target Shockeyy. At the same time she doesn't townread Shockeyy and somehow makes her own read on Shockeyy dependent on how much my read on Shockeyy can be trusted. Scumreading people for going after presumed lynch bait while not treating the lynch bait as town is kinda..convenient?
So yeah. I think I'd put zey ahead of TT in the lynches if I use complacency as a metric.
Read Zey's filter and honestly tell me she is town this game. Null at best.
The list post is another example of Zey failing to evaluate this game. Look at how she is suspicious of four-five people in a game with two mafia, yet she's okay with that. She's not engaging to try and figure things out, not really interacting, just answering questions/requests. Also note that her top scumread posted a ton of posts and a ton of new content, and Zey just completely ignored it. Didn't re-evaluate, didn't even mention why it means they are still mafia. Passed over all of their explanations of old questions, too.
Hamachi (Vanilla Townie) - Made with Yellowtail, you're actually tasty and different from what everyone eats. You're worthwhile. But. You're also still just a fish. You have voting rights and no other power.
PM night actions to both host (myself) and co-host (Alakaslam). until Day 3 Start.
On June 06 2020 15:51 Trfel wrote: I dunno Tictock, I'm having trouble getting much useful information from the posts you spoilered. Sorry
But seriously, I don't know why people really think I am mafia here. I can understand not thinking I am town, but I don't understand why everyone is so convinced I am mafia.
Yes, my activity was quite poor earlier. However, I've changed that now. I'm here, I'm present, I'm playing, I'm contributing quality thoughts. That's more than you can say for many of the players in this game.
So what if I find different things interesting than other people? Isn't that the beauty of the game, that different things stick out to different players? What a boring game it would be otherwise. How does that make me mafia?
Yes, my reads can change quickly. If you want meta, that's been a major mark of my town play the past few years (and unfortunately, is one of the main reasons why my lynch % has increased significantly), because I don't spend the time to review every little thing like I used to, so new information/new perspectives readily changes my reads. Fluid reads is generally considered a towny trait, as mafia have trouble changing their reads quickly. Especially when justified.
The one suspicious thing I've done is being wrong on CopCake. Granted, that was quite poor, and for that I (once again) apologize to all. But understand that I was in a rush to try and find something, as voting is mandatory in this game. Look at my play here, trying to analyze all of the possibilities and figure out the best lynch. This is how I play when I have more time and can analyze things more effectively. But in a five minute window or so, I'm not really sure what you expect from me.
I am really hesitant to say this, because saying this was a huge part of why I got lynched last game, but I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow Which basically paints a huge target on my back saying "here mafia, come and lynch me." But it's unavoidable, I am busy with my family. Which is a lot of why I am spending so much time tonight trying to figure out the best lynch, because I can't tomorrow.
So there. Do whatever you want. But I think I've played a very reasonable game, I think I've put forth a decent scum pool and as time permits I'll keep working to find the mafia. I encourage everyone to re-evaluate and take a look at what I've posted. I encourage those scumreading Vivax to take another look. I am confident that mafia is riding all of the easy Trfel/Vivax scumreads and not justifying them well, just following thread sentiment (because they aren't well-justified reads). If you lynch me, that's on you.
So Trfel does a last minute switch to Zey but honestly, this was the most useful post of Trfel before he got voted off. I'm on the possible TicTock/? team. Zey and Jee keep voting together which is understandable if they've played together before. They rather piggy back off each other especially with one being AFK most of the time.
So if I look here, there's a definite three town on the copcake kill. Vivax to me actually feels very towny here, since town could of easily mislynched here and mafia didn't even want to touch with a twelve foot pool. Rayn sticks to Vivax D1 builds a "rapport" about Vivax to try and continue into D3 lynch.
I see the need for tictock as mafia to vote for Trfel. They need to kill off Trfel and Jee and Zey were easily going to follow since they voted for Trfel anyways in the previous vote. Rayn wasn't going to move because he didn't even want to save Trfel.
It's honestly believable that Tictock and Rayn are the scumteam.
Idk man, it's hard to say TT is town, his pattern of voting, looks like him and Rayn tried to vote you out early ass hell cause they rather not deal with you in the late game. I seriously think you're likely to get shot tonight or one of the zey/jee persons.
I'm probably not going to get shot just cause I think mafia is going to try and lynch me for the last day.
On June 07 2020 07:59 jeekaka wrote: Fuck me I just still want to lynch Vivax because that town hero thing bothers me now even more.
Although that rayns "I wish I wash scum with Zey" starts to haunt me too.
+ feels Batman
They're two completely different things ?
Yeah they are lol I'm kinda lost and I honestly don't know what to think rn :D
I had thought about rayn/Zey before you mentioned it, and thought about more when you did, I just didn't have any reason to scumread either of them at that point. Aaaand I had a feeling that if Zey had Finnish speaking teammate her game might look different. But that's a thing you shouldn't maybe put too much weight on.
(I actually thought about rayn/Tictock even but then I was like ok let the better team win lol XD)
Your D1-D2 were still scummy af. You and Shock have still decent changes of winning with nice Tictock or Zey mislynch set up. Even you and Zey could just go for Tic lynch now.
But honestly I see it more likely that scum!rayn would just vote and go afk when everything is going according to his plans than town!rayn just leaving the came like that.
So yeah, I think you and rayn are the most scummiest here right now :D And you could even be scum together because I cannot reason it like well why would anyone ever vote his scum buddy since D1 because thats the thing I do and then scum!rayn wins lol :D
On June 07 2020 14:20 ShoCkeyy wrote: Do you have any better reasons to vote vivax jee?
I'm still re-evaluating the game.
Though I'm having a groundhog night here wondering why I didn't switch to Vivax XD But if you are Vivax's scum mate that would not have been enough anyways. But to be honest Vivax flip either way I don't know if Trfel could have convinced me of his towniness
Like I’m actively hunting for scum, and I feel like I’m the only one based on how active I’ve been trying to be, and reevaluating my reads based on new knowledge.
Only thing I can think of why rayn/Vivax is unlikely is that if Vivax lynch had actually happened D1 rayn surviving night after night would soon start looking really weird : P But then, had Vivax flipped red D1 there were always Tick and Cake to kill at night. And Jock. And maybe even me.
Like I should really had considered more why N1 kill was not me or rayn :D But Jock happening to be doc distracted me from it so I just thought it was because mafia was avoiding protection.
But even though Jocks vote switch to Cake was good conspiracy theory material he was also basically townread by all D1 so maybe I'm just having too much tinfoil here.
Fffffffff, dam I was really hoping Vivax flipping red was gonna end the gane.
I am thinking Zey is most likely to be scum rn. I really feel like his posting about my read onTrfel (the series of posts I asked him about) was pushing me as scum with the knowledge that Yrfel was gonna flip green
I am pretty drunk atm though so we will see what I think tomorrow.
Oh I had some reason to think Sho and Zey were not likely to bescum mates but I will dig that up later.
We are in lyli now right NK puts us down to 4vs2 ?
Wish I had had time today, I actually woulda been down to lunch Zey.
If rayn is still alive tommorow we need to really look at him. He could honestly fit in almost any scuntean but rayn/vivax,
On June 07 2020 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: What has happened that every time Vivax doesn't flip after all you change your top scum to something that it wasn't before?
Well since before you left the thread it had been quite obvious it was gonna be Trfel flip.
On June 07 2020 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: What has happened that every time Vivax doesn't flip after all you change your top scum to something that it wasn't before?
Well since before you left the thread it had been quite obvious it was gonna be Trfel flip.
I am talking about the fact that after D1 TT changed his top scumread from Vivax to Trfel (i can see him doing that there as town). After this lynch he is mad(?) about Vivax not flipping red just to follow up that saying that Zey is his top scumread now??? I think that enforces the first point. And i think that's very inconvenient.
Was Vivax ever Tictock's top scumread? I think he wanted to rather lynch Trfel D1 already but ended up voting Vivax mostly because he didn't want Cake to be lynched :D
On June 05 2020 09:14 Tictock wrote: I said I had stuff to say about Trfel, and to be honest Zey and Jeeka pretty much hit on it already but I'll briefly go over what I saw. [....]
So just because Trfel was not mafia this somehow makes Zey scummy? Because she made a good case (just wrong)?
On June 06 2020 15:04 Tictock [u]talking about Trfel wrote: [...] Multiple things make it like 99% likely you and Vivax are the scumteam here, like I'm pretty sure you even made some excuse for this not being Vivax's scumgame when I've heard multiple refferences to scum!Vivax playing a a rough but successful mafia game in the last game by breaking meta. His play this game makes a ton of sense to me as burnt out scum!vax not willing to make the effort again. Even besides Vivax though your EoD play and followup posts really make it hard to not see you as mafia here. [...]
[/B] Once again. And then:
On June 06 2020 15:09 Tictock wrote: Oh and re my read on Sho...
I'm kinda just living in the world where he's town due to Trfel/Vivax being scum... and I'm ok with it? I kinda dropped him from my world view for a bit near EoD and he's become a sortof white noise to the thread for me since....
Lol thinking about it now I know Sho has said things today, but I'm having a hard time thinking what any of it was >.<
into..
On June 06 2020 15:16 Tictock wrote: Dammit Trfel, I really wanna see you flip red today but now I'm worried if you flip town I'm not sure who is most likely scum besides Sho.
WHICH just makes your vote on him the more aggravating to me
On June 06 2020 15:15 Trfel wrote: TicTock, if you are indeed town, I'm going to need to ask you to re-evaluate some things. Take another look at ShoCkeyy. Take another look at Vivax. Take another look at me. I don't really know why you think I am mafia, do explain? No silly associations, facts please.
I'm gunna be honest, right now if I accept a world where you are town vivax could still be mafia, but I would easily lynch a few ppl before him.
The Zey stuff is actually most interesting to me. Those posts I quoted gave me weird vibes.
tbh i am not sure at all of what i want to do. i think a lot of people's scumreads at the moment is because of "this is how i feel like" and for me that's not what a mafia game should look like. i know people tend to do that but tbh it's one of the reasons i havn't made up more time for me to play this game. i am gonna read later today, and should i be alive at the start of D3 i am trying to focus more than i have so far. i have some ideas but nothing i would like to definitely share atm.
On June 03 2020 05:48 ShoCkeyy wrote: Why is Zey removing the time stamps? That seems scummy as hell to try and paint a narrative that can be falsified later in the game
On June 03 2020 05:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: You do you Zey, just saying on my end it looks scummy, you don't have to change anything about it, doesn't mean I'm calling you mafia (just yet ;D)
The fuck is this?
"Zey is Mafia!
Psst- Hey Zey, don't worry buddy I had to say it, we cool?"
But he's seeing this Shockeyy stuff from a tinfoil point of view where he has to think zey is mafia.
The point that you seem to be interested in that post. Which i cant understand. Like you think for the post like 12 or whatever hours into D1 Jock posts a random comment of Zey that i disagree with, and that makes me afraid of him enough to kill him over the fact that he thinks you and trfel are mafia for basically the rest of the day and night? Is that it or what? Because you sure do have some point for picking that quote. So dont say there is "no point on me"...
I dont who is mafia with TT. And i dont plan on letting people know before the deadline tbh.
On June 07 2020 09:11 ShoCkeyy wrote: I see the need for tictock as mafia to vote for Trfel. They need to kill off Trfel and Jee and Zey were easily going to follow since they voted for Trfel anyways in the previous vote. Rayn wasn't going to move because he didn't even want to save Trfel.
It's honestly believable that Tictock and Rayn are the scumteam.
Why did mafia need to kill Trfel if me and TT are mafia?
On June 07 2020 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: The point that you seem to be interested in that post. Which i cant understand. Like you think for the post like 12 or whatever hours into D1 Jock posts a random comment of Zey that i disagree with, and that makes me afraid of him enough to kill him over the fact that he thinks you and trfel are mafia for basically the rest of the day and night? Is that it or what? Because you sure do have some point for picking that quote. So dont say there is "no point on me"...
I dont who is mafia with TT. And i dont plan on letting people know before the deadline tbh.
Oh you thought it was about you? Interesting. I was more focused on Jock being early to call out zey. Your disagreement was kind of just a thing on top.
Strikes me as a bit defensive with how you just reacted. But really, it wasn't about you, originally.
On June 06 2020 22:53 Zey wrote: [...] ShoCkeyy (He seems to be that kind of player that it is hard to say which side he is. I have played before with someone like him so the weird stuff what he has done is more likely just his style not about his role. There isn’t anything that I could say he is town thought. So I have tried to keep on my mind the reasons why others think he is town or scum. What I have seen couple of players have suspect him with reasons that I think is only about his style (except for not playing for fun, which doesn’t seem like that to me). Jeekaka is thinking that Sho might be scum but the reasons are more about that Sho fits in many scumteam. Vivax seems to be only one who think Sho is town. The reasoning isn’t so bullet proof but it seems to take consider Shos playstyle. But I can’t really trust Vivax opinion because I think there is good change that he is mafia. So basically if Vivax isn’t scum it will make Sho townier to me. But otherwise I don’t know is he scum or not. But I think Trfel, Tictock and Vivax are more likely to be scums than Sho.) [....]
Everything here is NOT about what Shockeyy has done, but about what other people have instead.
On June 07 2020 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: The point that you seem to be interested in that post. Which i cant understand. Like you think for the post like 12 or whatever hours into D1 Jock posts a random comment of Zey that i disagree with, and that makes me afraid of him enough to kill him over the fact that he thinks you and trfel are mafia for basically the rest of the day and night? Is that it or what? Because you sure do have some point for picking that quote. So dont say there is "no point on me"...
I dont who is mafia with TT. And i dont plan on letting people know before the deadline tbh.
Oh you thought it was about you? Interesting. I was more focused on Jock being early to call out zey. Your disagreement was kind of just a thing on top.
Strikes me as a bit defensive with how you just reacted. But really, it wasn't about you, originally.
It's not defensive, because i dont know why you would point out my post in addition to jock's in case it was only about jock? What does my post there in addition to jock's matter?
I mean like why dont you just point out what jock said about zey if your opinion is that he was on the right track on zey. Why do you need my post for that?
On June 07 2020 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like why dont you just point out what jock said about zey if your opinion is that he was on the right track on zey. Why do you need my post for that?
I didn't put that much thought into it. Just quoted them because they were p. much the earliest opinions on zey.
Funny example of selective perception though. I think I'm talking about zey, and you think I'm talking about you.
On June 07 2020 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like why dont you just point out what jock said about zey if your opinion is that he was on the right track on zey. Why do you need my post for that?
I didn't put that much thought into it. Just quoted them because they were p. much the earliest opinions on zey.
Funny example of selective perception though. I think I'm talking about zey, and you think I'm talking about you.
Well then do you have a thought of your own on what jock said? Because from my perspective you're trying to possibly frame me for jock's dead for a retarded reason. So what do you need my post for on that analysis? Was i wrong on something or not?
I don't think it's something that deserves as much attention as you are giving it over him calling out zey. Who I think should be the next lynch cause between you and TT it's a tougher choice atm.
On June 07 2020 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: If people dont really understand what i am saying i think Vivax might be planting ideas to people's head here without saying it.
Okay? Find me an idea I tried to 'plant' without supporting the idea.
If I have an exhibit that allows me explanation A and B and I'm trying to explain A but you think I'm explaining B, that's planting ideas in peoples heads? Really contrived narrative there.
I already said what i did think. I know you're saying A and i think you might be also saying B, but you presented "evidence" X and Y whereas only X points on towards explanation A and i have no idea why Y would do so, rather than you saying B (without saying it). It doesnt matter if i think so or not rn, look at yourself in that situation. If you were me in my shoes right now and you were town, what would you think about your post about jock and my response to him given that you think zey is mafia?
But let me ask you this Vivax: - I think we can both agree on jeekaka being town right? - What do you think about TT's "Vivax is mafia" narrative whenever it doesnt matter? I mean like it's a narrative in case you're not mafia right? Why dont you seem to have any opinion on that? - What do you think of Zey's read on Shockeyy? Because i think Zey is possibly trying to avoid giving a read on him and painting it behind what other people said about shockeyy. Like look at the post i quoted, most of the things Zey says is that shockeyy might be something because of what other people are or said. - Why do you think shockeyy feels like TT needed to lynch Trfel if TT is mafia with me? Why on earth does TT in that case "feel some need to lynch Trfel"???? What sense does it make?
I don't know what to say when you ask me what to think of TT given he's in my scum pile since forever? Yeah sure, I'd lynch him, but somehow I never manage to get zey seriously on the table this game, so I feel more drawn towards that.
Like idk what your goal here is. If you're asking me to have a scumread on TT, that's old stuff. But I don't see how you can't reach zey by PoE here, so it gives me the feeling you're kinda protective of her. Kneejerk reaction after the lynch was for TT to sr zey and for you to go after TT and not take into consideration who your scumread is partnered with.
My world is rather simple: There's tinfoil territory where mafia are rayn + TT which I have decided to dismiss because I think zey is scummier than either.
So I have to figure out if I was right on TT + zey from D1, or if rayn mafia is trying to push TT first who I maybe was wrong on so he and zey win.
On June 08 2020 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are you completely dismissing shockeyy? For what reason is that? Because i dont really see a reason why he could not be mafia.
He knows he isn't a stellar town player, but it's obvious he really wants to lynch scum. Obvious to me at least.
On June 08 2020 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: can you elaborate on some of his reasoning? other than that he wants to lynch the same people you do.
Eh it's not his reasoning I read him from, it's more of him being cooperative, posting his thoughts freely, occasionally shitposting. Gives me relaxed town vibes, similarly to jeekaka, though admittedly I found her recent reasoning bad (but not enough to shift my read atm).
Whereas zey has a very clean way of posting about lots of things but overall doesn't strike me as she had any committment to this game besides existing and looking contributive, and doesn't look like she's trying to have fun at points. I didn't spot anything yet that gave me red flags, I'm really just looking at the attitude the players approach the game with and guessing the intention behind posts.
On June 08 2020 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: jeekaka do you think zey "has fun" at mafia games as town?
To describe it better. While zeys posts are neat and so to say politically correct, they lack the kind of townie 'being erratic'-ness. It's more like zey approaches the game with an attitude where she's doing her homework diligently, but what gives her away is that while appearing very diligent she doesn't seem to have a clear place her head is at.
It's more like whenever she finds something worth mentioning, she mentions it, but for the sake of mentioning it.
On June 08 2020 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: jeekaka do you think zey "has fun" at mafia games as town?
Oh wow, that's actually quite a difficult question :D She enjoys solving for sure but I wouldn't ever imagine her posting like Sho and I think she is more... maybe reasonable? than me for example.
Like doing rankings based on scumminess placing TT and Trfel on top, but not considering that she's giving her vote to Ticktock in order to lynch Trfel.
She just did a bit of homework on the available players based on things that one could write about and then placed the vote on the most likely mislynch anyway. Like filling out a form, but not really caring for its outcome.
I think Vivax actually described Zey's scum game pretty well, like that would be how I'd describe those I checked earlier.
But there are some town!Zey sparks in here, like her interaction with Tictock. Like Zey doesn't get what Tick means, so she keeps pushing it, because she wants to understand. I think it's just a huge miscommunication and it's basically deja vu of some of my old t/t interaction with Zey when I was scumreading her hard just because I just could not understand why she kept hammering so stupid things :D But to be honest I might also be a bit biased because of that experience.
Can you explain it to me like i am 5 because i don't even see whta Vivax is saying. Like i read it well but i dont understand it because i dont think that's what happened.
On June 08 2020 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: jeekaka do you think zey "has fun" at mafia games as town?
To describe it better. While zeys posts are neat and so to say politically correct, they lack the kind of townie 'being erratic'-ness. It's more like zey approaches the game with an attitude where she's doing her homework diligently, but what gives her away is that while appearing very diligent she doesn't seem to have a clear place her head is at.
It's more like whenever she finds something worth mentioning, she mentions it, but for the sake of mentioning it.
I checked out some Zeys old scum games yesterday and this is pretty much how you could describe it.
But I don't think Zey's like that now, she rather came up with strong opinions since D1.
What is her Vivax read? I am sorry i didnt see it other than she agreed with me and that she has no read on him. I am playing dnd atm so i am pretty much just playing on the fly here.
Vivax (I think rayn has a good case here. But I need to admit that without rayns case I wouldn’t have a clue about Vivax. I don’t know why but Vivaxs post are hardest to me to read. It’s like I have translated words that I don’t understand, I have asked my husband to translate hardest sentences and still don’t understand what he means. So I’ve kinda give up on that and have accepted that I just don’t understand him. I mean I read his post and try to understand it but if I don’t ... I’m not gonna waste my time there anymore. I think it’s more efficient if I read others post and try to fact check their accusations and stuff like that.)
"I think jeekaka is making some good points here. Alla game long on some people. But it also could be like she is pulling wool over our eyes if she is mafia with certain people. So so far i can say she is town or maybe she could be mafia good read no?"
Like what you posted would basically be made up read where you just say "I think jeekaka is not scum but she might be" what actually is what scum!Zey could say, but she just says she doesn't understand Vivax so she has to rely on other peoples cases.
I mean like obviously she is not making any reads up visibly, if that's how you wanna put it, but she isn't making any read at all as far as i am concerned.
My problem is i dont really know what Zey is. I dont really know what anyone is aside that i am pretty sure you are town. It bothers me. Alot. I have recently found some good observations from Vivax but then it all goes to shit because he says something that looks to me pretty fucking mafia agenda driving shit. Other people haven't really been here when i have.
rayn wrote: Can you explain it to me like i am 5 because i don't even see whta Vivax is saying. Like i read it well but i dont understand it because i dont think that's what happened.
Don't you really? Because even I understand what Vivax is saying about me not "having fun". And I think it pretty obvious that I'm basically doing just what I need to. So yeah, I'm not having fun. jeekaka was quite right about my fun: I love love love solving the puzzle. Analyzing posts, trying to figure out scums and all the EoD stuff is so fun. But here I don't have things that makes it fun: I don't understand the post, I can't figure out the tones. I feel like I have maybe only 5 % information that I would have if the language would be different (or if this would be live game, I find it somehow easier). And then I need to write in english also. So I'm constantly using google translator and asking from my husband what some word is in english and either isn't good way. Google translator sucks and my husband needs to ask the context and after that mostly says that he knows how to say it but it's like mostly filled with fancy word that I don't understand and after that he asks how I would say it. So I find the maybe 10 % about what I wanted to say is something that I know how to say if I really really cut my sentences and all. (And after that I watch clock and find out that writing my tiny tiny message has taken like an hour to write.) I just need to admit that I'm not that kind of player or not that good in language that I could play in english. I hope that this game is the last time that I need to figure that out that I can keep it in my mind.
So I should read all the filters again. I should check with players can be scums together. But really I wouldn't want to read even one word of english right now because of my frustration. But still I'm gonna do that because I committed in this game and I don't want to town lose because of me and D3 is lylo so. (And I'm also gonna pray that scums will kill me, even thought it's not so likely.)
I hoped that I didn't offend anybody. You guys seem nice and I like the game, but I just hate playing in english.
Oh, this took only like 50 minutes to write, apparently I'm fast to whine about english in english. x)
File this under wifom, but as mafia this game I would probably not deny myself the chance to lynch Shockeyy. I can not prove it until he flips but him being town is one of the few certainties I'm working with.
Well maybe you remember HTS scum play. "I don't know", "I don't understand" etc. were very recurring.
I mean, if mafia can just say they behave in a certain way because of language issues and that's sort of a town baby seal argument, then we can't win either way if you're town here rayn and that doesn't convince you.
If you're mafia though then it's perfectly reasonable for you to just take that at face value. In which case the game outcome is mostly up to TickTock.
On June 08 2020 03:03 Vivax wrote: If you're mafia though then it's perfectly reasonable for you to just take that at face value. In which case the game outcome is mostly up to TickTock.
right, it probably is. but i know her. and it's not.
Tictock kinda started to look lock town when all were building up cases against him. Like Vivax was more inclined to vote Zey, but Tictock voted Vivax D1 and that was a move I wouldn't expect if they are w/w. rayn is more looking around who to vote so actually pretty possible. I think TT:s progression has been quite towny and he's maybe still my closest townread
Zey is another who's lynch seems to possibility to almost everyone, maybe even more preferred than TT. rayn seems to be the likeliest pairing. As I said I kinda do townread Zey but it's really weak reasoning
Shock is possible to pair to almost anyone, TicTock least likely though. Would be a very good pairing to Vivax indeed. And actually that TT/rayn narrative could suggest Zey team.
That Vivax/rayn interaction seemed quite genuine and actually rayn came out looking worse, so do the tides change. But honestly I would not even wonder if they were capable of that good scum theatre XD
So maybe: Vivax/Shock rayn/Zey rayn/Shock Shock/Zey rayn/Tictock
(And of course rayn/Vivax this is my One True Pairing as fanficcers call it)
BUT at this point it is all just hypothetical because it's enough that just one townie is fooled to vote wrong and mafia can hammer : P
That Vivax/rayn interaction seemed quite genuine and actually rayn came out looking worse, so do the tides change. But honestly I would not even wonder if they were capable of that good scum theatre XD
That Vivax/rayn interaction seemed quite genuine and actually rayn came out looking worse, so do the tides change. But honestly I would not even wonder if they were capable of that good scum theatre XD
oh btw what is this argument and why?
You seemed a bit paranoid with that planting thoughts thing :D
On June 08 2020 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: He actually thinks i am mafia he is not just saying that to stay alive if he is town or faking it if he is mafia.
lol ok. I'm so not used to this talking by night thing :D
On June 06 2020 15:04 Tictock [u]talking about Trfel wrote: [...] Multiple things make it like 99% likely you and Vivax are the scumteam here, like I'm pretty sure you even made some excuse for this not being Vivax's scumgame when I've heard multiple refferences to scum!Vivax playing a a rough but successful mafia game in the last game by breaking meta. His play this game makes a ton of sense to me as burnt out scum!vax not willing to make the effort again. Even besides Vivax though your EoD play and followup posts really make it hard to not see you as mafia here. [...]
On June 06 2020 15:09 Tictock wrote: Oh and re my read on Sho...
I'm kinda just living in the world where he's town due to Trfel/Vivax being scum... and I'm ok with it? I kinda dropped him from my world view for a bit near EoD and he's become a sortof white noise to the thread for me since....
Lol thinking about it now I know Sho has said things today, but I'm having a hard time thinking what any of it was >.<
On June 06 2020 15:16 Tictock wrote: Dammit Trfel, I really wanna see you flip red today but now I'm worried if you flip town I'm not sure who is most likely scum besides Sho.
WHICH just makes your vote on him the more aggravating to me
On June 06 2020 15:15 Trfel wrote: TicTock, if you are indeed town, I'm going to need to ask you to re-evaluate some things. Take another look at ShoCkeyy. Take another look at Vivax. Take another look at me. I don't really know why you think I am mafia, do explain? No silly associations, facts please.
I'm gunna be honest, right now if I accept a world where you are town vivax could still be mafia, but I would easily lynch a few ppl before him.
The Zey stuff is actually most interesting to me. Those posts I quoted gave me weird vibes.
now i am buffled about the fact that i dont really believe atm that 'TT made a case on his scumbuddy shockeyy at the point he did, which was when people were discussing shockeyy as mafia but noone wanted to pretty much go with it and TT was the first one to do so. So i am left with a dilemma. And since i dont think jeekaka or Zey are mafia please help me whoever is not them ok kthzbye?
On June 06 2020 15:04 Tictock [u]talking about Trfel wrote: [...] Multiple things make it like 99% likely you and Vivax are the scumteam here, like I'm pretty sure you even made some excuse for this not being Vivax's scumgame when I've heard multiple refferences to scum!Vivax playing a a rough but successful mafia game in the last game by breaking meta. His play this game makes a ton of sense to me as burnt out scum!vax not willing to make the effort again. Even besides Vivax though your EoD play and followup posts really make it hard to not see you as mafia here. [...]
Once again. And then:
On June 06 2020 15:09 Tictock wrote: Oh and re my read on Sho...
I'm kinda just living in the world where he's town due to Trfel/Vivax being scum... and I'm ok with it? I kinda dropped him from my world view for a bit near EoD and he's become a sortof white noise to the thread for me since....
Lol thinking about it now I know Sho has said things today, but I'm having a hard time thinking what any of it was >.<
into..
On June 06 2020 15:16 Tictock wrote: Dammit Trfel, I really wanna see you flip red today but now I'm worried if you flip town I'm not sure who is most likely scum besides Sho.
WHICH just makes your vote on him the more aggravating to me
and...
On June 06 2020 15:18 Tictock wrote:
On June 06 2020 15:15 Trfel wrote: TicTock, if you are indeed town, I'm going to need to ask you to re-evaluate some things. Take another look at ShoCkeyy. Take another look at Vivax. Take another look at me. I don't really know why you think I am mafia, do explain? No silly associations, facts please.
I'm gunna be honest, right now if I accept a world where you are town vivax could still be mafia, but I would easily lynch a few ppl before him.
The Zey stuff is actually most interesting to me. Those posts I quoted gave me weird vibes.
into Zey is mafia. Sounds like bullshit.
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Tbh to me that progression made sense at the time. Trfels posts made me look more closely at Sho and Zey too. Unless he's mafia with Vivax there was really no reason to start backing up from "Trfel/Vivax and Vivax can still be scum even if Trfels is not" world.
I know you dont think TT is mafia, so it's a bit "unfair" for me to point this out. But like, you basically point out every other possible scumteam other than Vivax and TT and i am a bit baffled over why you do so?
Because if Tt/xx -> lynch Trfel -> lynch Vivax -> win
Yeah I guess I could be wrong there, that's possible thing to do fake that second guessing. That's why when making that list I kinda tried to look past my "reads" and make it based on interactions.
Hamachi (Vanilla Townie) - Made with Yellowtail, you're actually tasty and different from what everyone eats. You're worthwhile. But. You're also still just a fish. You have voting rights and no other power..
Plurality Lynch: The person with the most votes gets lynched. In the event of a tie, the player that first received enough votes will be lynched.
Sho wrote: Zey vote tictock so we can win as town already please.
I don't think rayn is scum so who ever we vote rayn needs to vote him too.
Rayn can you tell why you think Vivax is town? And why you voted Sho and not Tictock?
You’re going to have to change that mentality, Rayn is taking advantage of it, he voted for me as I predicted because he’s mafia, and he’s going to try and push “Shockeyy is scummy”. He didn’t vote Tictock because Rayn and Tictock are teammates.
Sho wrote:You’re going to have to change that mentality, Rayn is taking advantage of it, he voted for me as I predicted because he’s mafia, and he’s going to try and push “Shockeyy is scummy”. He didn’t vote Tictock because Rayn and Tictock are teammates.
If he is mafia with Tictock why he said on the last minute of N2 that he think Vivax is town?
Sho wrote:You’re going to have to change that mentality, Rayn is taking advantage of it, he voted for me as I predicted because he’s mafia, and he’s going to try and push “Shockeyy is scummy”. He didn’t vote Tictock because Rayn and Tictock are teammates.
If he is mafia with Tictock why he said on the last minute of N2 that he think Vivax is town?
Sho wrote: But it is coming from Town, he’s speaking the truth.
I don't think so? I mean yes he might be right about that rayn never called you mafia or something. But if rayn thinks that I'm town and he thinks that Vivax is town then there is only left you and Tictock to be scums because of PoE. So there's no need to mention it that he thinks you are scum. And Vivax has used himself PoE tactic and he should know that rayn thinks that I and he are towns (because rayn and Vivax discussed about rayns read on me and I don't think he could have missed rayns post about himself). So I think it's okay to wonder why rayn voted you (and not Tictock because Tictock had already one vote and vote was given by someone he think is town) but I don't understand why Vivax seems to demand that rayn should have made case against you to vote you.
If Tictock and rayn are scums they need one more vote for you that they win. After reading my list about players rayn should think that I'm going to vote Tictock and I maybe can vote Vivax but it's not likely that I vote you without good case (and here he hasn't really done that). And to his perspective it should be okay to lynch Vivax so why bother? So it's not good thing to do if they want to get my vote with theirs votes. Are you gonna vote yourself? I don't believe so. So they aren't getting your vote either. Are they getting Vivax vote? I don't think they are counting for that because Vivax said that he is 100 % sure that you are town.
Tictock and rayn scumteam would have better chances if rayn trys to convince others that Vivax is scum. I think my vote would have gone easily there and that would have been only thing they would need to win.
If Tictock and rayn are scums they need one more vote for you that they win. After reading my list about players rayn should think that I'm going to vote Tictock and I maybe can vote Vivax but it's not likely that I vote you without good case (and here he hasn't really done that). And to his perspective it should be okay to lynch Vivax so why bother? So it's not good thing to do if they want to get my vote with theirs votes. Are you gonna vote yourself? I don't believe so. So they aren't getting your vote either. Are they getting Vivax vote? I don't think they are counting for that because Vivax said that he is 100 % sure that you are town.
Tictock and rayn scumteam would have better chances if rayn trys to convince others that Vivax is scum. I think my vote would have gone easily there and that would have been only thing they would need to win.
Based on your last paragraph then why does Rayn vote me and not stick to his consistent vote on Vivax?
Vivax wrote: Rayn needs reasons to justify staying alive. He is a common N1 and N2 kill.
Townreading me after voting me for two days straight just was a method of giving hinself an excuse for that imo
I don't think rayn needs reasons to justify staying alive. Yes, he might be common N1 and N2 kill but that doesn't give a reason to scums to kill him in this game. Both Jock and jeekaka were townier than rayn so I'm not surprised that rayn is alive. And if somebody ask why can't scum-rayn just say that scums are trying to frame him and that's why he is still alive? And if he is accusing you being scum and he was right at N1 that you are making a case against him then there is a new reason why he can accuse you being scum: you are the one who is trying to frame him. So there is another ways to justify that he is alive and there is ways that don't pee in his cereals.
Vivax wrote: I saw the jockey vote similarly to a scumclaim.
Sorry, I don't understand. Can you explain?
Sho wrote: Based on your last paragraph then why does Rayn vote me and not stick to his consistent vote on Vivax?
Because he really is town and change his mind about Vivax? So if he thinks Vivax is town of course he don't give him vote.
Its very simple. Zey is not mafia and Tt and vivax are not in a million years mafia together. Basically shockeyy has to be mafia with either one of them. I probably gave keys to mafia!vivax for winning the game if he is indeed mafia but i really didnt anticipate jeekaka to die. But it is what it is now.
“Sure”, basically you and Ticktock are no where to be seen for these two days, yet I’m mafia... it all lies on Zey, and she isn’t going to vote outside of anybody you’re not voting for. This game is pretty much over and I rather not waste my time anymore.
Literally Rayn shot Jee cause she’s the only one that apparently would go against Rayn. Zey looks like she would never go against Rayn unless Jee says so. It’s ridiculous, but hey, abuse the system!
I’m going to not come back till d3 is over, I’m not moving my vote. Ticktock sudden absence is telling and Zey would rather ignore it cause Rayn thinks I’m mafia...
ShoCkeyy wrote: Literally Rayn shot Jee cause she’s the only one that apparently would go against Rayn. Zey looks like she would never go against Rayn unless Jee says so. It’s ridiculous, but hey, abuse the system!
So you still think rayn is scum. Please tell me where I got wrong then. Why did rayn say on the N2 that he thinks that me and Vivax are town? Why he decided as scum to make such opinions that he is forced to vote you (which is so unlikely to get any townies votes (if the case is that he is scum with TT)) or his scumpartner?
ShoCkeyy wrote: Literally Rayn shot Jee cause she’s the only one that apparently would go against Rayn. Zey looks like she would never go against Rayn unless Jee says so. It’s ridiculous, but hey, abuse the system!
So you still think rayn is scum. Please tell me where I got wrong then. Why did rayn say on the N2 that he thinks that me and Vivax are town? Why he decided as scum to make such opinions that he is forced to vote you (which is so unlikely to get any townies votes (if the case is that he is scum with TT)) or his scumpartner?
Well no he isn't forced to vote Shockeyy. He could vote TT too, but decided not to for reasons I can only guess.
It's such a strange question. The only team that could be floating around your head is Shockeyy + Vivax if you think Shockeyy is mafia. Maybe Shockeyy + TickTock, in which case you should have no problem voting TickTock like now.
Like from most probable to least probable given the current situation is:
1. Rayn + TT: Jeekaka at night was growing skeptical of rayn, so got iced. Also nice N1 blue snipe on Jock. Meanwhile rayn worked to win over your (zeys) vote for LYLO, successfully. 2. TT + Zey: Jeekaka started growing skeptical of zey, so got iced. Jock called zeys entrance scummy, so got iced, or maybe was too townread. Rayn got into a town zey tunnel and will never lynch zey, so he is kept alive.
3. There is no 3. Those are the possible combinations, because I'm sure Shockeyy is town.
If you are town zey, I inform you that lynching Shockeyy imo will lose the game, but that's just me.
Vivax wrote: Well no he isn't forced to vote Shockeyy. He could vote TT too, but decided not to for reasons I can only guess.
Well that's my point (except you shouldn't guess reasons anymore because rayn already told us why he is voting Sho). If Sho thinks that TT and rayn are scums together then why rayn decided N2 to say that he thinks that you and me are town. Because then he can D3 only vote TT (his scumpartner) or Sho (and nobody townies wants to lynch him). So what is scum-rayns plan for victory?
Vivax wrote: Can you tell me why you don't want to vote TT if you think he could be scum?
I haven't said that I don't want to vote TT.
Vivax wrote: It's such a strange question. The only team that could be floating around your head is Shockeyy + Vivax if you think Shockeyy is mafia. Maybe Shockeyy + TickTock, in which case you should have no problem voting TickTock like now.
I don't understand. Whose mind? And if somebody thinks that scumteam is Shovax or ShoTock he should always vote Sho, not Tictock?
Vivax wrote: Well no he isn't forced to vote Shockeyy. He could vote TT too, but decided not to for reasons I can only guess.
Well that's my point (except you shouldn't guess reasons anymore because rayn already told us why he is voting Sho)
His only reason for voting Sho is true only if rayn is town which you think is always true. He didn't give a single reason for Sho to be mafia. Just said he can be the only mafia besides TT, so he should vote TT, but he votes Sho instead.
His entire Shockeyy vote is based on who can be mafia with TT, so he should vote TT, but votes Shockeyy instead. Very weak reasoning when he's treating TT as the confirmed mafia.
On June 03 2020 11:07 Tictock wrote: Oh cool I'm caught up.
So pretty solid on Cake/Rayn/Jock being my towncircle.
I still wanna call trfel town, but there is a wifom thing that has wondering if I'm giving him a pass too easy.
Vivax has made almost zero impression on me despite seeming to think I'm mafia?
Jeeka feels odd to me, but I'm glad rayn made that language post because both Jeeka and Zey have been a little hard for me to read as I'm not totally sure I'm following their post logic.
Sho is clearly actively doing nothing and shitting up the game. It's actually confounding to me that nobody else has called it out. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy
mafia post.
My sentiment:
On June 04 2020 02:37 Vivax wrote: This has to be a troll game right.
Okay. I'm going to walk with my dog now but before that I want to say this: I don't think there is any change that Vivax is town because either he isn't reading posts at all or he just twist things how ever he wants. Either way it's scummy as hell.
On June 09 2020 01:27 Zey wrote: Okay. I'm going to walk with my dog now but before that I want to say this: I don't think there is any change that Vivax is town because either he isn't reading posts at all or he just twist things how ever he wants. Either way it's scummy as hell.
rayn, wouldn't you be okay with voting Vivax?
Ok this is probably the towniest post I have seen from you recently. Because really, I'm bringing out the big guns and only derpy town could see it as scummy.
By the way, let me rephrase what rayn is saying:
TT IS MAFIA BUT ONLY SHOCKEYY CAN BE MAFIA WITH HIM, SO LET'S VOTE SHOCKEYY.
Now I'll throw you a bone: Rayn is scum, TT is scum. Where is TT, and why does rayn not say why Shockeyy is mafia for his play.
But whatever, it appears we play 'friendship mafia'. Thanks rayn. Good move killing Jee so it wasn't too obvious. Let's just all fill all future games with people we know from somewhere else and help our cults win.
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On June 09 2020 01:27 Zey wrote: Okay. I'm going to walk with my dog now but before that I want to say this: I don't think there is any change that Vivax is town because either he isn't reading posts at all or he just twist things how ever he wants. Either way it's scummy as hell.
rayn, wouldn't you be okay with voting Vivax?
Not really, no. Just because i dont know which one of him and TT is mafia, i sm working an evening shift and i have to get our stuff to the new apartment during the week. I honestly dont see any reason for vivax + tt to act like they did especially during D1 of they weew both mafia.
I dont eeally have a "good" case on shockeyy. I just dont think he has done pretty much anything aside from omgusing whoever happens to suspect him all game.
Also people tend to die for a reason. Jeekaka scumread shockeyy + vivax and townread rayn + tt. So there is that. Now people are gonna claim (shockeyy) that mafia is framing people and nor actually killing people who are solving the game, just like glowingbear got obviously "framed" last game *cough cough*
Here's how i see it zey: If vivax is town none of this matters and regardless of what you two do here doesnt matter. If vivax is not town then you can either pick right or wrong. But i am not going to vote for vivax here. We're probably gonna lose if TT flips mafia today and that's gonna be mostly on me then. But inam still not going to risk a vote on vivax here because i am very certain that my answer is right here.
Vivax wrote: So it's either you + TT and rayn is not playing to win, or it's rayn + TT but you think of rayn as your tip town friend without reconsidering.
If you want me to reconsider rayn you need to do more than just twist rayns words, repeat yourself and act like a child.
Zey seriously? Have you even read any of Vivax vs Rayn posts? I don't care if you don't reconsider Rayn at this moment, PLEASE JUST LOOK AT TICTOCK. If you don't believe TicTock is scum, then read one of Jee's final posts and you'll see EXACTLY why she was night killed. It's right in front of you.
On June 08 2020 03:44 jeekaka wrote: rayn what do you think of Tictock?
Probably mafia tbh.
He thinks Tictock is mafia but votes for me?
EVERYONE that has died at night has literally looked at tictock as scum. Trfel turned out town who started to second guess tictock right before he was lynched by you.
Even if you don't think Rayn is mafia, is there a reason you don't think Tictock is mafia? Like being AFK practically all of D2 into D3 should be the biggest tell, yet you're here still defending them.
Rayn hasn't made any attempt to actually solve the game. He's literally just saying these people are mafia because "I said so" and you're following along.
I can't stay out of this because I obviously want town to win.
Vivax wrote: So it's either you + TT and rayn is not playing to win, or it's rayn + TT but you think of rayn as your tip town friend without reconsidering.
If you want me to reconsider rayn you need to do more than just twist rayns words, repeat yourself and act like a child.
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Literally TicTock and Rayn voting together here to remove Vivax from game because he's the strongest town player here.
Sho wrote: EVERYONE that has died at night has literally looked at tictock as scum.
Except jeekaka said that TT is her top town. So you are lying here.
Sho wrote: Even if you don't think Rayn is mafia, is there a reason you don't think Tictock is mafia?
If rayn isn't mafia, then there is left only you, Vivax and TT. So at least one of you and Vivax must to be mafia. And you both seem soooo desperate to lynch TT that I'm thinking that I might be wrong about TT and you and Vivax are mafia together after all.
On June 09 2020 01:08 Vivax wrote: Rayn is probably town and just ruining another game [....]
If this your attitude i wont even bother. It's disgraceful since i havent done anything of that sort for a long long time. Last gave i was easily the best town player when i was alive. People who ruin the games are people who wont bother even voting or quit the game instantly when they get get called as mafia. I am neither.
When I say I'm going to bring out the big guns it's because being civil and restrained clearly wasn't working.
Zey wasn't receptive to arguments against rayn brought forth in a civil manner, and neither in an uncivil manner. Zey thinks she's going to help people she knows and likes, and that's playing mafia?
I think Zey is "helping me" because youre scummy and shockeyt hasnt done shit other than omgus. I dont know what shockeyy would or wouldnt do as town or as mafia, i just know he doesnt look town and i have my poe. The game before last one i would have easily lynched trfel over shockeyy in lylo. Thankfully he was dumb enough to leave hapa alive instead of me.
Like i dont even fucking think either of vivax or shockeyy are even TRYING to read my posts.... Both of them have just decided what my scumreads really are roflmao.
Like the only reason I can think of why Zey willingly ignores Rayn as scum is because she knows that Rayn is town, and Tictock is mafia since Zey is mafia.
Sho wrote: Can you Zey just add your vote on me then? Just vote me out already so the game can end already.
Okay.
Vivax wrote: And you also know that zey is helping you for no reason other 'but muh forum friend'
Yeah. I have been playing 10 years with only friends and still I don't know how to lynch them or do anything else but what they tell me. And yeah I haven't told any reason (like pointed out that there is no sense that rayn would say N2 that both of you and me are town but somehow you and Sho hasn't been able to show how I'm wrong) except that he is my friend. Yep, you got that right. So now I'm going to do what true friend does: I have no brains on my own so I'm gonna listen little voice of rayn and gonna vote Sho.
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Vivax just vote for me. I don't want to spend another day trying to convince people. I already have to deal enough with the U.S cops throwing bombs outside of my window every night, and getting no sleep.
Nah, I'm not that upset after cooling down a little. So I guess I'll apologize for being a dick, though I tried to be one to see how much emotion I could bring into a dead thread. Also hope it was mildly entertaining for some.
Jeekaka and zey are clearly more used to the relaxed type of games, and I am kind of in the wrong game to tryhard I guess?
On June 09 2020 05:53 ShoCkeyy wrote: Vivax just vote for me. I don't want to spend another day trying to convince people. I already have to deal enough with the U.S cops throwing bombs outside of my window every night, and getting no sleep.
Alright fam. Let's call it a game. Try to get some rest.
Btw I'm afraid for the US. Weird forces at work there.
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Apologies all, I partied all Sat night - Sun and took all of yesterday to recoup and slowly be ready to be part of the world again.
I fucked up my Day planning, thought I could come back today and have half a cycle still to read.
Since I had that as plan I am gunna go ahead and get myself caught up here, but looks like the game died almost a day ago and everyone is piled on Sho. I have to asssume everyone thinks Sho/Me are the team here, but since I know we are not I have to assume both mafia are piled on a town!Sho train here.
Tictock wrote: I have to asssume everyone thinks Sho/Me are the team here, but since I know we are not I have to assume both mafia are piled on a town!Sho train here.
Actually I think that Vivax/Sho are the team here because I don't see a reason why sum!rayn would have said that he thinks me and Vivax are town at N2 (and either Vivax or Sho hasn't been able to tell me good reason either). So if rayn is town either Sho or Vivax needs to be scum here but both were yesterday so desperate to lynch you that I think it would be more likely that you are town here. I would prefer lynching Vivax because he has twisted rayns words so much that it's remarkable how good his imagination is. There is no way that Vivax is town here. But apparently rayn is more confident about Sho and I don't think it's good idea to divide votes so I'm voting Sho. To me this thing were Sho and Vivax join voting Sho seems their last try to make people think that they can't be scums here.
Because Vivax did yesterday everything he could to make me vote you.
I did as well, but that was only because I had blinders on. After seeing how much you defend Rayn with Rayn not being on the chopping block is a huge tell...
Still some of me thinks that you still could be (not so likely than Sho and I think here my stubborness comes around and it might be only that I don't like being wrong :D) and I would prefer to lynch Vivax but rayn isn't gonna change his vote and dividing votes isn't option here because it's lylo and even one wrong vote will give scums victory. So I'm kinda trusting you and kinda afraid that after all suspect you still are going to win. :')
On June 10 2020 03:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: It's cool Tictock as soon as I die, the game is over since I'm VT. I also think Zey/Rayn are the scum team.
As much as I'd like to read and not feel like I've missed a week of this game (even though it's only 2 days and 10 pages), I can't help but just wanna roll with this. Feels so honest, and I have a hard time believing a Vivax/Sho team just accepts defeat and rolls over when they would be one lynch from a win.
I seriously thought Tictock would just not show up again, and was ready to lose the game, but Tictock showing up gave me new life to win the game as town for once.
On June 10 2020 03:27 Vivax wrote: I don't know how you didn't see my massive tantrum TT.
Granted I think both Sho and zey are losing lynches and you aren't questioning why rayn is alive, but killing zey would give me some satisfaction.
I am still skimming/reading what happened since Trfel lynch.
And to be totally honest I just can't look at where the game is at right now and believe Sho is scum. Which means I haven't voted for scum all game, and I'd really like to fix that.
Okay TicTock, can you read posts #711-#721? I think it's good for making example their bad reasoning. And I will try to tell what happened if you have time. After those posts Shos answer was:
Sho wrote #723: “Sure”, basically you and Ticktock are no where to be seen for these two days, yet I’m mafia... it all lies on Zey, and she isn’t going to vote outside of anybody you’re not voting for. This game is pretty much over and I rather not waste my time anymore.
Sho wrote #724: Literally Rayn shot Jee cause she’s the only one that apparently would go against Rayn. Zey looks like she would never go against Rayn unless Jee says so. It’s ridiculous, but hey, abuse the system!
Sho wrote #725: I’m going to not come back till d3 is over, I’m not moving my vote. Ticktock sudden absence is telling and Zey would rather ignore it cause Rayn thinks I’m mafia...
So he couldn't argue against my points. As town I would think he would say ok, you have point here or something. Or argue why I'm wrong. He didn't do either he just ignored and get grumpy.
On June 10 2020 03:27 Vivax wrote: Granted I think both Sho and zey are losing lynches and you aren't questioning why rayn is alive, but killing zey would give me some satisfaction.
Actually wait, so you think both your votes end the game, think I could be scum with rayn, but are just cool with letting things go the way the are right now?
Vivax if I am scum here, why in the hell aren't I just letting the game afk on Sho?
rayn wrote #722: Its very simple. Zey is not mafia and Tt and vivax are not in a million years mafia together. Basically shockeyy has to be mafia with either one of them.
Vivax wrote #731 about rayn: Well no he isn't forced to vote Shockeyy. He could vote TT too, but decided not to for reasons I can only guess.
Okay, maybe he didn't see yet rayns reasoning. But
Vivax wrote #741: By the way, let me rephrase what rayn is saying:
TT IS MAFIA BUT ONLY SHOCKEYY CAN BE MAFIA WITH HIM, SO LET'S VOTE SHOCKEYY.
Here he must have seen rayns post because he is rephrasing that again -- except he is just ignoring what rayn said.
Vivax wrote #732: It's such a strange question. The only team that could be floating around your head is Shockeyy + Vivax if you think Shockeyy is mafia. Maybe Shockeyy + TickTock, in which case you should have no problem voting TickTock like now.
If somebody thinks Sho/Vivax and Sho/Tik are the only possible scumpartners then why that person would never vote anybody else than Sho at lylo? Vivax is just trying to give reasoning but it just doesn't make any sense.
On June 10 2020 03:27 Vivax wrote: Granted I think both Sho and zey are losing lynches and you aren't questioning why rayn is alive, but killing zey would give me some satisfaction.
Actually wait, so you think both your votes end the game, think I could be scum with rayn, but are just cool with letting things go the way the are right now?
Vivax if I am scum here, why in the hell aren't I just letting the game afk on Sho?
Well for one I would think it would look bad if I just piled on the top wagon after being afk for a long time without at least pretending to be questioning things.
And next I'm cool with letting things go either way because I have given up on winning the game yesterday.
Vivax wrote #744: And do you know what pocketing means? It means rayn lulled you in by playing like he's your bodyguard.
It's like you two play together at all times.
So it's either you + TT and rayn is not playing to win, or it's rayn + TT but you think of rayn as your tip town friend without reconsidering.
Vivax wrote #743: But whatever, it appears we play 'friendship mafia'.
So instead of pointing where I got wrong (and I was willing to discuss and asking where my deduction went wrong if rayn is scum) he just accuse me not reconsidering rayn and just accusing about friendship mafia. If he is town and he think rayn is scum why doesn't he try to explain why my opinion about rayn is wrong, where my deduction is wrong. But nothing. It seems to me that there is anything wrong so he couldn't say anything and only thing he could was trying to appeal to emotions.
Zey reading into those posts, I'm not sure why that makes Sho scum. Like he seemed to be pretty locked into a world where Rayn/I are the scumteam and your points on rayn dont make a ton of sense to me.
It actually does seem more to me like you spent a lot of time defending rayn there, and that is the main thing I get from those posts.
What do you think about what I last noted about Vivax?
Vivax wrote #743: But whatever, it appears we play 'friendship mafia'.
So instead of pointing where I got wrong (and I was willing to discuss and asking where my deduction went wrong if rayn is scum) he just accuse me not reconsidering rayn and just accusing about friendship mafia. If he is town and he think rayn is scum why doesn't he try to explain why my opinion about rayn is wrong, where my deduction is wrong. But nothing. It seems to me that there is anything wrong so he couldn't say anything and only thing he could was trying to appeal to emotions.
We didn't want you to consider rayn, we wanted you to consider TicTock, but you were so focused that Vivax and I were mafia instead of even trying to look into Tictock that some how managed you defending Rayn from who knows where. You say I didn't talk to you but my post here says otherwise:
On June 09 2020 04:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: Zey seriously? Have you even read any of Vivax vs Rayn posts? I don't care if you don't reconsider Rayn at this moment, PLEASE JUST LOOK AT TICTOCK. If you don't believe TicTock is scum, then read one of Jee's final posts and you'll see EXACTLY why she was night killed. It's right in front of you.
On June 08 2020 03:44 jeekaka wrote: rayn what do you think of Tictock?
Probably mafia tbh.
He thinks Tictock is mafia but votes for me?
EVERYONE that has died at night has literally looked at tictock as scum. Trfel turned out town who started to second guess tictock right before he was lynched by you.
Even if you don't think Rayn is mafia, is there a reason you don't think Tictock is mafia? Like being AFK practically all of D2 into D3 should be the biggest tell, yet you're here still defending them.
Rayn hasn't made any attempt to actually solve the game. He's literally just saying these people are mafia because "I said so" and you're following along.
I can't stay out of this because I obviously want town to win.
Vivax wrote #743: But whatever, it appears we play 'friendship mafia'.
So instead of pointing where I got wrong (and I was willing to discuss and asking where my deduction went wrong if rayn is scum) he just accuse me not reconsidering rayn and just accusing about friendship mafia. If he is town and he think rayn is scum why doesn't he try to explain why my opinion about rayn is wrong, where my deduction is wrong. But nothing. It seems to me that there is anything wrong so he couldn't say anything and only thing he could was trying to appeal to emotions.
What I pointed out that made rayn at least sketchy you rebutted with 'twisting words'. Then you copied it for yourself.
I really don't know why TT is bothering. You could post a mafia role pm and zey would still vote for Shockeyy because both her and rayn think that Shockeyy is mafia because he's the only one who can be scum with TT.
Somehow they push the narrative that the game is TT + X and we always lynch X first.
Humm the pages of arguments between Rayn/Vivax are kinda interesting, pg 31ish.
I mean it's a bit all over the place since there is clearly a fair bit of jumping to assumptions and misreading what the other has said. I just get the feeling that rayn is beating his head on a wall and Vivax is much more aloof.
Then given the last few posts from Vivax today, think he could very easily be mafia here. I dunno who he's be mafia with though, would have said Zey but he put his vote on Zey so quick with me today I don't think that possible. Oh and these arguments mean for sure Vivax/Rayn are not a team.
Does anyone have solid reasons to think rayn is mafia here? I mean I put him in my yolo team since he and Zey were first on the Shop wagon, but tbh the thing that makes me consider scum!rayn is the fear due to him still being alive.
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On June 10 2020 04:25 Tictock wrote: Humm the pages of arguments between Rayn/Vivax are kinda interesting, pg 31ish.
I mean it's a bit all over the place since there is clearly a fair bit of jumping to assumptions and misreading what the other has said. I just get the feeling that rayn is beating his head on a wall and Vivax is much more aloof.
Then given the last few posts from Vivax today, think he could very easily be mafia here. I dunno who he's be mafia with though, would have said Zey but he put his vote on Zey so quick with me today I don't think that possible. Oh and these arguments mean for sure Vivax/Rayn are not a team.
Does anyone have solid reasons to think rayn is mafia here? I mean I put him in my yolo team since he and Zey were first on the Shop wagon, but tbh the thing that makes me consider scum!rayn is the fear due to him still being alive.
Just stop pretending because you're bored, do the last minute switch or don't, because both wagons are wrong. Even rayn has the decency to not give a damn right now, why can't you.
jeekaka wrote #668: Because they are basically my strongest town candidates right now XD
So clearly jeekaka didn't think you are scum.
Interesting, Jeeka being the NK did remove the last person to TR me as well. I kinda assumed he was killed for being pretty well townread like Jock, maybe he was killed to remove opposition to the scum teams preffered townies to lynch.
Tictock wrote: Zey reading into those posts, I'm not sure why that makes Sho scum. Like he seemed to be pretty locked into a world where Rayn/I are the scumteam and your points on rayn dont make a ton of sense to me.
Okay. Imagine that you and rayn are scums. Why rayn won't stick with his opinion about Vivax being scum and didn't vote Vivax when day beginned? Why voting Sho will win the game for you and rayn? Sho shouldn't vote himself, right? Sho wasn't my top scumread so why would you and rayn think that I would vote Sho? And Vivax was 100 % sure that Sho is town so he wouldn't vote Sho either. So who is the town whose vote sum!you and scum!Sho will get that you will win the game? But if scum!rayn wouldn't said that Vivax is town and if scum!rayn would vote Vivax there would be good change that you would get me to vote Vivax (town here) and win the game. Please tell me where I'm going wrong here or why wasn't Sho intrested enough to ask more about my reasoning here (if I were unclear) or pointed out (with good reasoning) where my thinking was wrong and why you and rayn really are the scums?
Tictock wrote: It actually does seem more to me like you spent a lot of time defending rayn there, and that is the main thing I get from those posts.
I did because I believed (and still believe) that rayn is town. At the beginning of the day I thought you and Vivax were the most likely scums and Sho most likely to be town. So if Sho, rayn and I want to win all of us needs to vote the same person because if someone votes town then town loses. So that's why I thought it would be necessary that Sho believe that rayn is town and rayn also will vote you (or Vivax if that's more preferred by Sho or rayn). But I was also asking why my reasoning would be wrong that if there really is good reasoning why my deduction sucks I could reconsider rayn again. But that reasoning never came.
Tictock wrote: What do you think about what I last noted about Vivax?
I think you have a point and I think Vivax dodge your question.
On June 10 2020 04:25 Tictock wrote: Humm the pages of arguments between Rayn/Vivax are kinda interesting, pg 31ish.
I mean it's a bit all over the place since there is clearly a fair bit of jumping to assumptions and misreading what the other has said. I just get the feeling that rayn is beating his head on a wall and Vivax is much more aloof.
Then given the last few posts from Vivax today, think he could very easily be mafia here. I dunno who he's be mafia with though, would have said Zey but he put his vote on Zey so quick with me today I don't think that possible. Oh and these arguments mean for sure Vivax/Rayn are not a team.
Does anyone have solid reasons to think rayn is mafia here? I mean I put him in my yolo team since he and Zey were first on the Shop wagon, but tbh the thing that makes me consider scum!rayn is the fear due to him still being alive.
Just stop pretending because you're bored, do the last minute switch or don't, because both wagons are wrong. Even rayn has the decency to not give a damn right now, why can't you.
Telling me to fuck off and stop playing eh?
I mean I can understand when you've started to show face and see me start to suspect you.
I'll bite. Hell maybe it is Vivax/Sho, or Vivax/Rayn and they decided to just fight each other all game to distance. Zey I can at least respect for putting in some effort to work with me a bit today. If Zey is mafia here, good on her, well played.
At this point I've been holding off eating so I can put in effort to this game that I feel bad for dropping off from for the past few days, but now I'm tempted to just grab some food and read while I wait for EoD.
I'll eat my words if I'm wrong but it's rayn + TT and zey is just rayn's helper no matter their alignment. If anything they can be ashamed of their win.
raynpelikoneet wrote: TT you need to vote for shockeyy if you're town.
I think it's okay because with Vivax and Sho scumteam they don't have a change of win if town votes only scums and even if they decide to vote some town the first one getting two votes (in this case Sho) will die.
But I still would like to vote Vivax, but I need you rayn vote also because I'm still not sure if TT is going to keep his vote on Vivax.
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Now this is for later. I am done telling why i think people are town so here's why people are mafia. This is what i said at the start of the day:
On June 08 2020 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its very simple. Zey is not mafia and Tt and vivax are not in a million years mafia together. Basically shockeyy has to be mafia with either one of them. I probably gave keys to mafia!vivax for winning the game if he is indeed mafia but i really didnt anticipate jeekaka to die. But it is what it is now.
This is what Vivax' "interpretation" of what i said is:
Vivax wrote: Well no he isn't forced to vote Shockeyy. He could vote TT too, but decided not to for reasons I can only guess.
Well that's my point (except you shouldn't guess reasons anymore because rayn already told us why he is voting Sho)
His only reason for voting Sho is true only if rayn is town which you think is always true. He didn't give a single reason for Sho to be mafia. Just said he can be the only mafia besides TT, so he should vote TT, but he votes Sho instead.
On June 09 2020 01:08 Vivax wrote: His entire Shockeyy vote is based on who can be mafia with TT, so he should vote TT, but votes Shockeyy instead. Very weak reasoning when he's treating TT as the confirmed mafia.
On June 10 2020 04:18 Vivax wrote: I really don't know why TT is bothering. You could post a mafia role pm and zey would still vote for Shockeyy because both her and rayn think that Shockeyy is mafia because he's the only one who can be scum with TT.
Somehow they push the narrative that the game is TT + X and we always lynch X first.
And I'm saying this for the third or fourth time.
I have never in this game said TT is confirmed mafia. I have never in this game said mafia is TT + X. Whoever can go to my filter and read what i said. IF Vivax thinks my read progression is bullshit he should say it's bullshit but he isn't saying so. He is just straight out fucking lying of what my read progression is while being pointed out multiple times it was NEVER what i even EVER said.
Then this is what shockeyy says about who i think are mafia:
On June 09 2020 05:22 ShoCkeyy wrote: Rayn, if you're town, you obviously think Vivax and Tictock are mafia, why don't you vote for Tictock? Or do you really think I'm mafia?
Like what is this even? Can this dude even read the posts or what? Before this he claims i have scumread everyone left in the game. Right or wrong idc, but i then i should think TT is definitely mafia otherwise it makes me mafia if i dont???? And once again shockeyy has literally done nothing but omgus people whoever were suspicious of him all game long. Go read his filter and look at his literally every single scumread ever.
And Vivax claims this dude is definitely town guised under his master PoE (which btw i am also part of).
I call 100x bullshit. So stop being an idiot TT. Okay?
Here's another point. Do you realise that Shockeyy GAVE UP before TT ever arrived back to the thread. There is simply no reason to give up for shockeyy at that point (as the votes are 2-2) unless shockeyy thinks TT is mafia and that would mean one of me and zey is town (and voting for him -> giving mafia a win). But when TT comes back and votes for Zey, hooray the mafia team suddenly changes into rayn + zey!
Like there is simply no reason ever shockeyy should just buy that at face value, because for GIVING UP he must be REALLY FUCKING SURE that TT is mafia.
On June 10 2020 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here's another point. Do you realise that Shockeyy GAVE UP before TT ever arrived back to the thread. There is simply no reason to give up for shockeyy at that point (as the votes are 2-2) unless shockeyy thinks TT is mafia and that would mean one of me and zey is town (and voting for him -> giving mafia a win). But when TT comes back and votes for Zey, hooray the mafia team suddenly changes into rayn + zey!
Like there is simply no reason ever shockeyy should just buy that at face value, because for GIVING UP he must be REALLY FUCKING SURE that TT is mafia.
Well if you're town and the only who appears to be coming in to rescue you is TT, why wouldn't you think TT is town?
I understand that shockeyy regardless of alignment is going to vote for whoever is not himself but it STILL doesnt mean his reads should change like that. I doesnt make sense in any townie world.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. TT + rayn. And TT is really obvious, rayn only because he's alive and voted town three days straight.
On June 10 2020 05:45 Vivax wrote: The winner of this game is rayns third party of forum friends that play to help, not to win.
Can you at least stop being a massive dick towards people who actually play the game, in contrary to your laziness and ignorance to realise what posts that are clearly written actually say? Not only did you call me a rame ruiner for some unknown reason, but you also had to attack Zey personally because of her trying to politely ask you to explain comments that are straight out bullshit. I dont even know what you have against jeekaka? Maybe you're mad because she called you mafia or some other shit that's in your head....
Don't blame other people for your own bad play, regardless of your alignment. Because you did play bad. As town or as mafia. I am not the nicest person here but you were really really being a dick here when you had no reason to be one other than your own bad play. Especially in case you're town.
Had fun playing with the knowledge that mafia was on my team from the get go for once.
Also shoutouts to the new players, they got pocketed hard by mafia but I think both are potentially great players. Really nobody played badly this game imo, just town never coalesced. Ya'll were close around the start of D3 with pushing me though.
Oh good on you for putting your vote back on me Vivax. I get why the end of the game was frustrating especially when you see the answer but town wont listen, but marytering in lylo is pretty meh.
"Last point: Shockey is listening to him. Why don't they just focus on voting rayn/TT instead of being upset all the time?"
Because we literally had some one who only played with Rayn... Like Zey didn't even try. She just stuck her fingers in her ear and was "LALALALA" There's no reason to keep trying after that. This game is very upsetting because Rayn abused it, and knew Zey wasn't going to go against him...
I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again.
Pretty simple narrative on this game. Town wasn't too active and ate itself alive while mafia watched. I don't think mafia had to push any objectives this game (except for mayyyybe LYLO).
I noticed that throughout the early stages of this game (early D1 and early D2), town seemed very reluctant to vote and push suspicions. This inevitably led to a scramble to vote in the last hours of the day. While active towns can get away with these scrambles, the inactivity of the town made these lynches very easy to manipulate. Mafia could simply divert suspicion off of a mafia lynch, and ignore the town while townies lynched themselves.
"Last point: Shockey is listening to him. Why don't they just focus on voting rayn/TT instead of being upset all the time?"
Because we literally had some one who only played with Rayn... Like Zey didn't even try. She just stuck her fingers in her ear and was "LALALALA" There's no reason to keep trying after that. This game is very upsetting because Rayn abused it, and knew Zey wasn't going to go against him...
I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again.
I understand you both being upset, but from someone who doesn't know your alignment, it felt suspicious to me.
Edit: I mean, you could've just piled on TT and let Zey decide and come back near deadline. Throwing the game made you look more suspicious
On June 10 2020 06:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again.
Well she was the most factually correct poster in the game D3. You and Vivax just created bullshit on the fly (as town lol) and tried to shove it down people's throats. Regardless of if you were right or wrong doesn't matter, i think i would have voted either of you in the end 100 times out of 100 if i was in her position.
"Last point: Shockey is listening to him. Why don't they just focus on voting rayn/TT instead of being upset all the time?"
Because we literally had some one who only played with Rayn... Like Zey didn't even try. She just stuck her fingers in her ear and was "LALALALA" There's no reason to keep trying after that. This game is very upsetting because Rayn abused it, and knew Zey wasn't going to go against him...
I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again.
I understand you both being upset, but from someone who doesn't know your alignment, it felt suspicious to me.
Edit: I mean, you could've just piled on TT and let Zey decide and come back near deadline. Throwing the game made you look more suspicious
Bro, its not even about being suspicious, she barely played and as soon as Jee died, she immediately backed rayn for no reason. It's ridiculous. She didn't try to read anything that Rayn or Tictock posted, only Vivax and I. She literally only defended Rayn after Jee's death.
GB you were observer but if like me and Shockeyy you put effort expecting a fair game and instead get to face mafias personal army that happen to be newcomers you would be upset too. The jeekaka kill was also a joke.
I'd also rather have obsed this game than being trolled by rayn bringing his yes-men to a game.
As someone who's been in a "helpless" LYLO situation as town, I do sympathize with the raw frustration of watching a game slowly end over 48 hours.
That being said, I didn't get any sense that this game was marred by "cheating" or anything of the sort. It is natural for players to gravitate to what they are familiar with.
A clowny game or two is the price to pay for some new blood on the site. I would caution anyone from driving players away based on a "bad performance" in their first game on TL. I think it is easier for people to shift the blame on one person rather than blaming the town collectively for their mistakes... one person didn't mislynch 3 people single-handedly after all.
On June 10 2020 06:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again.
Well she was the most factually correct poster in the game D3. You and Vivax just created bullshit on the fly (as town lol) and tried to shove it down people's throats. Regardless of if you were right or wrong doesn't matter, i think i would have voted either of you in the end 100 times out of 100 if i was in her position.
On June 06 2020 15:51 Trfel wrote: I dunno Tictock, I'm having trouble getting much useful information from the posts you spoilered. Sorry
But seriously, I don't know why people really think I am mafia here. I can understand not thinking I am town, but I don't understand why everyone is so convinced I am mafia.
Yes, my activity was quite poor earlier. However, I've changed that now. I'm here, I'm present, I'm playing, I'm contributing quality thoughts. That's more than you can say for many of the players in this game.
So what if I find different things interesting than other people? Isn't that the beauty of the game, that different things stick out to different players? What a boring game it would be otherwise. How does that make me mafia?
Yes, my reads can change quickly. If you want meta, that's been a major mark of my town play the past few years (and unfortunately, is one of the main reasons why my lynch % has increased significantly), because I don't spend the time to review every little thing like I used to, so new information/new perspectives readily changes my reads. Fluid reads is generally considered a towny trait, as mafia have trouble changing their reads quickly. Especially when justified.
The one suspicious thing I've done is being wrong on CopCake. Granted, that was quite poor, and for that I (once again) apologize to all. But understand that I was in a rush to try and find something, as voting is mandatory in this game. Look at my play here, trying to analyze all of the possibilities and figure out the best lynch. This is how I play when I have more time and can analyze things more effectively. But in a five minute window or so, I'm not really sure what you expect from me.
I am really hesitant to say this, because saying this was a huge part of why I got lynched last game, but I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow Which basically paints a huge target on my back saying "here mafia, come and lynch me." But it's unavoidable, I am busy with my family. Which is a lot of why I am spending so much time tonight trying to figure out the best lynch, because I can't tomorrow.
So there. Do whatever you want. But I think I've played a very reasonable game, I think I've put forth a decent scum pool and as time permits I'll keep working to find the mafia. I encourage everyone to re-evaluate and take a look at what I've posted. I encourage those scumreading Vivax to take another look. I am confident that mafia is riding all of the easy Trfel/Vivax scumreads and not justifying them well, just following thread sentiment (because they aren't well-justified reads). If you lynch me, that's on you.
So Trfel does a last minute switch to Zey but honestly, this was the most useful post of Trfel before he got voted off. I'm on the possible TicTock/? team. Zey and Jee keep voting together which is understandable if they've played together before. They rather piggy back off each other especially with one being AFK most of the time.
So if I look here, there's a definite three town on the copcake kill. Vivax to me actually feels very towny here, since town could of easily mislynched here and mafia didn't even want to touch with a twelve foot pool. Rayn sticks to Vivax D1 builds a "rapport" about Vivax to try and continue into D3 lynch.
I see the need for tictock as mafia to vote for Trfel. They need to kill off Trfel and Jee and Zey were easily going to follow since they voted for Trfel anyways in the previous vote. Rayn wasn't going to move because he didn't even want to save Trfel.
It's honestly believable that Tictock and Rayn are the scumteam.
"Last point: Shockey is listening to him. Why don't they just focus on voting rayn/TT instead of being upset all the time?"
Because we literally had some one who only played with Rayn... Like Zey didn't even try. She just stuck her fingers in her ear and was "LALALALA" There's no reason to keep trying after that. This game is very upsetting because Rayn abused it, and knew Zey wasn't going to go against him...
I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again.
No.
Stop. Don't take the game seriously and don't attack people personally.
Pretty simple narrative on this game. Town wasn't too active and ate itself alive while mafia watched. I don't think mafia had to push any objectives this game (except for mayyyybe LYLO).
I noticed that throughout the early stages of this game (early D1 and early D2), town seemed very reluctant to vote and push suspicions. This inevitably led to a scramble to vote in the last hours of the day. While active towns can get away with these scrambles, the inactivity of the town made these lynches very easy to manipulate. Mafia could simply divert suspicion off of a mafia lynch, and ignore the town while townies lynched themselves.
I dont think we manipulated anything? I didn't really have to do anything D1 because Vivax read me town for sauying "hi" and "no"... D2 i couldn't do anything. D3 vivax and shockeyy just buried themselves with straight out lying for ???? reason :D
Pretty simple narrative on this game. Town wasn't too active and ate itself alive while mafia watched. I don't think mafia had to push any objectives this game (except for mayyyybe LYLO).
I noticed that throughout the early stages of this game (early D1 and early D2), town seemed very reluctant to vote and push suspicions. This inevitably led to a scramble to vote in the last hours of the day. While active towns can get away with these scrambles, the inactivity of the town made these lynches very easy to manipulate. Mafia could simply divert suspicion off of a mafia lynch, and ignore the town while townies lynched themselves.
I dont think we manipulated anything? I didn't really have to do anything D1 because Vivax read me town for sauying "hi" and "no"... D2 i couldn't do anything. D3 vivax and shockeyy just buried themselves with straight out lying for ???? reason :D
I wasn't entirely clear.
I more meant that in an inactive town, mafia can easily manipulate a last-minute lynch if they need to. You didn't have to this game.
"Last point: Shockey is listening to him. Why don't they just focus on voting rayn/TT instead of being upset all the time?"
Because we literally had some one who only played with Rayn... Like Zey didn't even try. She just stuck her fingers in her ear and was "LALALALA" There's no reason to keep trying after that. This game is very upsetting because Rayn abused it, and knew Zey wasn't going to go against him...
I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again.
I understand you both being upset, but from someone who doesn't know your alignment, it felt suspicious to me.
Edit: I mean, you could've just piled on TT and let Zey decide and come back near deadline. Throwing the game made you look more suspicious
Bro, its not even about being suspicious, she barely played and as soon as Jee died, she immediately backed rayn for no reason. It's ridiculous. She didn't try to read anything that Rayn or Tictock posted, only Vivax and I. She literally only defended Rayn after Jee's death.
I'm not judging you, and I'm not judging her either. I'm just saying that, objectively, the way you both reacted to that didn't help your case. If you both thought Zey was helpless, then voting rayn until the very end was would have the same result, but at least would give you a better chance to win the game
On June 10 2020 06:15 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding the Drama...
As someone who's been in a "helpless" LYLO situation as town, I do sympathize with the raw frustration of watching a game slowly end over 48 hours.
That being said, I didn't get any sense that this game was marred by "cheating" or anything of the sort. It is natural for players to gravitate to what they are familiar with.
A clowny game or two is the price to pay for some new blood on the site. I would caution anyone from driving players away based on a "bad performance" in their first game on TL. I think it is easier for people to shift the blame on one person rather than blaming the town collectively for their mistakes... one person didn't mislynch 3 people single-handedly after all.
It's bullshit because any good player reevaluates their reads with new information, she never did. It was always Vivax and I were mafia while she was pied piper by Rayn...
On June 10 2020 06:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again.
Well she was the most factually correct poster in the game D3. You and Vivax just created bullshit on the fly (as town lol) and tried to shove it down people's throats. Regardless of if you were right or wrong doesn't matter, i think i would have voted either of you in the end 100 times out of 100 if i was in her position.
On June 06 2020 15:51 Trfel wrote: I dunno Tictock, I'm having trouble getting much useful information from the posts you spoilered. Sorry
But seriously, I don't know why people really think I am mafia here. I can understand not thinking I am town, but I don't understand why everyone is so convinced I am mafia.
Yes, my activity was quite poor earlier. However, I've changed that now. I'm here, I'm present, I'm playing, I'm contributing quality thoughts. That's more than you can say for many of the players in this game.
So what if I find different things interesting than other people? Isn't that the beauty of the game, that different things stick out to different players? What a boring game it would be otherwise. How does that make me mafia?
Yes, my reads can change quickly. If you want meta, that's been a major mark of my town play the past few years (and unfortunately, is one of the main reasons why my lynch % has increased significantly), because I don't spend the time to review every little thing like I used to, so new information/new perspectives readily changes my reads. Fluid reads is generally considered a towny trait, as mafia have trouble changing their reads quickly. Especially when justified.
The one suspicious thing I've done is being wrong on CopCake. Granted, that was quite poor, and for that I (once again) apologize to all. But understand that I was in a rush to try and find something, as voting is mandatory in this game. Look at my play here, trying to analyze all of the possibilities and figure out the best lynch. This is how I play when I have more time and can analyze things more effectively. But in a five minute window or so, I'm not really sure what you expect from me.
I am really hesitant to say this, because saying this was a huge part of why I got lynched last game, but I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow Which basically paints a huge target on my back saying "here mafia, come and lynch me." But it's unavoidable, I am busy with my family. Which is a lot of why I am spending so much time tonight trying to figure out the best lynch, because I can't tomorrow.
So there. Do whatever you want. But I think I've played a very reasonable game, I think I've put forth a decent scum pool and as time permits I'll keep working to find the mafia. I encourage everyone to re-evaluate and take a look at what I've posted. I encourage those scumreading Vivax to take another look. I am confident that mafia is riding all of the easy Trfel/Vivax scumreads and not justifying them well, just following thread sentiment (because they aren't well-justified reads). If you lynch me, that's on you.
So Trfel does a last minute switch to Zey but honestly, this was the most useful post of Trfel before he got voted off. I'm on the possible TicTock/? team. Zey and Jee keep voting together which is understandable if they've played together before. They rather piggy back off each other especially with one being AFK most of the time.
So if I look here, there's a definite three town on the copcake kill. Vivax to me actually feels very towny here, since town could of easily mislynched here and mafia didn't even want to touch with a twelve foot pool. Rayn sticks to Vivax D1 builds a "rapport" about Vivax to try and continue into D3 lynch.
I see the need for tictock as mafia to vote for Trfel. They need to kill off Trfel and Jee and Zey were easily going to follow since they voted for Trfel anyways in the previous vote. Rayn wasn't going to move because he didn't even want to save Trfel.
It's honestly believable that Tictock and Rayn are the scumteam.
She completely ignored anything we posted.
yes it was bullshit. why the fuck do we need to kill trfel???? Just because you think something doesnt mean that TT "needs to do something".
On June 10 2020 06:15 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding the Drama...
As someone who's been in a "helpless" LYLO situation as town, I do sympathize with the raw frustration of watching a game slowly end over 48 hours.
That being said, I didn't get any sense that this game was marred by "cheating" or anything of the sort. It is natural for players to gravitate to what they are familiar with.
A clowny game or two is the price to pay for some new blood on the site. I would caution anyone from driving players away based on a "bad performance" in their first game on TL. I think it is easier for people to shift the blame on one person rather than blaming the town collectively for their mistakes... one person didn't mislynch 3 people single-handedly after all.
It's bullshit because any good player reevaluates their reads with new information, she never did. It was always Vivax and I were mafia while she was pied piper by Rayn...
Being "tunneled" is a part of this game. Rayn was simply more persuasive than you. That is all.
Cake's post above shows that Zey wasn't really following Rayn blindly to begin with.
I understand the frustration with Jeeka and Zey not being willing to look at a world with Rayn being scum, but I mean... WE played it that way kinda.
I know I made a couple mild attempts to pocket Jeeka at some point, and I have to assume rayn would be doing the same with ppl he has history with.
Besides, thats what a good mafia team does going into LyLo, making sure you have one townie pretty locked on your side or already convinced of the world you want to sell. To that point I have to give credit to Rayn picking Jeeka as the N2 kill, Vivax dying would have cleared up a ton of resistance in the game for us but Jeeka's townreads on us left the door open for wifom.
On June 10 2020 06:15 Vivax wrote: GB you were observer but if like me and Shockeyy you put effort expecting a fair game and instead get to face mafias personal army that happen to be newcomers you would be upset too. The jeekaka kill was also a joke.
I'd also rather have obsed this game than being trolled by rayn bringing his yes-men to a game.
Not just that, he thinks he won fairly LOL
As I said, I'm not saying you shouldn't be upset and I understand the OMGUSing. I'm not judging you. I'm just saying it also helped mafia.
Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day? It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
On June 10 2020 06:15 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding the Drama...
As someone who's been in a "helpless" LYLO situation as town, I do sympathize with the raw frustration of watching a game slowly end over 48 hours.
That being said, I didn't get any sense that this game was marred by "cheating" or anything of the sort. It is natural for players to gravitate to what they are familiar with.
A clowny game or two is the price to pay for some new blood on the site. I would caution anyone from driving players away based on a "bad performance" in their first game on TL. I think it is easier for people to shift the blame on one person rather than blaming the town collectively for their mistakes... one person didn't mislynch 3 people single-handedly after all.
On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote: Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day? It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
This... We literally suggested lynching Tictock, and she didn't want too, but some how kept defending Rayn who was also missing for an entire day. The most obvious scum tell, and she completely ignores it.
It's not cheating, but it's definitely abuse of bringing "friends" to play with you.
On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote: Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day? It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
Because you filled your D3 reads with bullshit and she thought you are mafia which means i am not because you called me mafia for bullshit reasons and she had no choice other than to vote for shockeyy because i refused to vote for you until the end.
On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote: Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day? It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
This... We literally suggested lynching Tictock, and she didn't want too, but some how kept defending Rayn who was also missing for an entire day. The most obvious scum tell, and she completely ignores it.
It's not cheating, but it's definitely abuse of bringing "friends" to play with you.
People bringing "friends" is how this site grows. Hell, bring your friends and have them play! Yeah, it'll probably be a trainwreck their first game here, but I think it's worth it.
On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote: Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day? It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
Because you filled your D3 reads with bullshit and she thought you are mafia which means i am not because you called me mafia for bullshit reasons and she had no choice other than to vote for shockeyy because i refused to vote for you until the end.
You should actually read the game some time.
Yea just call everything I say bullshit, but I didn't weasel my way to an unfair win and then act high and mighty.
Like i am super amused even if i made a post with big red letters in it these two idiots don't even realise they were just posting something that was and is entirely wrong.
Zey clearly didn't even want to believe the results after Hapa announced it. She was never going to switch to Rayn even if we lynched one mafia correctly.
On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote: Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day? It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
This... We literally suggested lynching Tictock, and she didn't want too, but some how kept defending Rayn who was also missing for an entire day. The most obvious scum tell, and she completely ignores it.
It's not cheating, but it's definitely abuse of bringing "friends" to play with you.
People bringing "friends" is how this site grows. Hell, bring your friends and have them play! Yeah, it'll probably be a trainwreck their first game here, but I think it's worth it.
I play irl with them, here they'd just lynch me for the schadenfreude and tbh not many have the english required.
On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote: Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day? It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
Because you filled your D3 reads with bullshit and she thought you are mafia which means i am not because you called me mafia for bullshit reasons and she had no choice other than to vote for shockeyy because i refused to vote for you until the end.
You should actually read the game some time.
It wasn't bullshit reads though, you were mafia...
On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote: Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day? It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
Sometimes when you get nothing new from somebody they become more of a background thought.
Still though, Viv and Sho, again I get the frustration but haven't you ever been fooled and been sure somebody was town then they turned out to be mafia.
You guys had the game solved and are frustrated that you couldn't pull that into a win. I've been there, but Zey doesn't deserve any less blame for the end of game than Jock does for swapping to Cake D1. In other words, it's a game, people are wrong, don't make it personal.
I didn't see anything wrong with the way rayn's friends played. They didn't get the mafia but it wasn't due to some troll game or collusion. Mafia played decently and were more persuasive than vivax/shockey who played scummy/abrasively. Can't fault them for that.
Hopefully they play more games. This wasn't a classic but any game is better than none.
Ty for saving the game Hapa. Don't rely on slam games.
On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote: Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day? It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
This... We literally suggested lynching Tictock, and she didn't want too, but some how kept defending Rayn who was also missing for an entire day. The most obvious scum tell, and she completely ignores it.
It's not cheating, but it's definitely abuse of bringing "friends" to play with you.
People bringing "friends" is how this site grows. Hell, bring your friends and have them play! Yeah, it'll probably be a trainwreck their first game here, but I think it's worth it.
Ohh, a "friends only" game where vets can obs their friends and snigger at how bad they are?
Now if only I had friends...
Actually I try and mention mafia to any friend I think would enjoy it, but usually it's just an "interesting idea" rather than something they want to try.
On June 10 2020 06:27 Vivax wrote: Like sure, you can keep the new blood, I know that I'm not touching any game that has rayn and his friends, rather accomplices in it.
On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote: Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day? It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
This... We literally suggested lynching Tictock, and she didn't want too, but some how kept defending Rayn who was also missing for an entire day. The most obvious scum tell, and she completely ignores it.
It's not cheating, but it's definitely abuse of bringing "friends" to play with you.
People bringing "friends" is how this site grows. Hell, bring your friends and have them play! Yeah, it'll probably be a trainwreck their first game here, but I think it's worth it.
I play irl with them, here they'd just lynch me for the schadenfreude and tbh not many have the english required.
Is "schadenfreude" kinda like, shits n giggles? I think I've heard the term before
On June 10 2020 06:27 Vivax wrote: Like sure, you can keep the new blood, I know that I'm not touching any game that has rayn and his friends, rather accomplices in it.
On June 10 2020 06:25 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2020 06:24 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote: Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day? It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
This... We literally suggested lynching Tictock, and she didn't want too, but some how kept defending Rayn who was also missing for an entire day. The most obvious scum tell, and she completely ignores it.
It's not cheating, but it's definitely abuse of bringing "friends" to play with you.
People bringing "friends" is how this site grows. Hell, bring your friends and have them play! Yeah, it'll probably be a trainwreck their first game here, but I think it's worth it.
I play irl with them, here they'd just lynch me for the schadenfreude and tbh not many have the english required.
Is "schadenfreude" kinda like, shits n giggles? I think I've heard the term before
More like taking joy from others misery. The ones who would maybe play mafia would get on my nerves just for fun. It's like bringing zey and jeekaka but then they work against you, because it's so funny when I get a temper.
It was evident that Rayn shot Jee here right before the night ended, and I asked Zey to reconsider. I even tried to show her how Rayn was mafia, but she never budged.
Ah, I've actually heard a few theories of humor that suggest misery, or at least some misfortune. is somewhat key for humor to exist.
I personally think that fails to consider the "zany-mad-cap humor" or the so wierd and bizzar you have to laugh, but maybe they are just different "flavors" of humor.
It was evident that Rayn shot Jee here right before the night ended, and I asked Zey to reconsider. I even tried to show her how Rayn was mafia, but she never budged.
So rayn realized Zey was gullible for being his friend and acted accordingly. That is an okay strategy as mafia.
Again, you have all the right to be upset, but being gullible isn't cheating...
I suggest drop it for a bit guys, though on the other hand there is probably somebody who enjoys seeing you all upset and riled so maybe keep it up for their amusement?
Sho wrote: How was it bullshit? Our reads were correct no matter what. You and Tictock were mafia, Zey was never going to vote against you, it's simple as that.
Good for you being correct. And yep I wasn't going against rayn at least not with reasons "rayn is scum because he is alive" and some made up stuff. If you want me believe someone is scum try to tell good reasons why he is or at least try to discuss about it. There were so many questions that you guys just ignored and that isn't good way to convince anybody.
Sorry for being wrong about mafia but I did my best and in my perspective your and Vivaxs behavior was more scummy than Tictocks and rayns. I didn't vote you or Vivax because rayn is my friend, I did it because I thought you were scums. Sorry for being wrong.
On June 10 2020 06:53 Tictock wrote: I suggest drop it for a bit guys, though on the other hand there is probably somebody who enjoys seeing you all upset and riled so maybe keep it up for their amusement?
Sho wrote: How was it bullshit? Our reads were correct no matter what. You and Tictock were mafia, Zey was never going to vote against you, it's simple as that.
Good for you being correct. And yep I wasn't going against rayn at least not with reasons "rayn is scum because he is alive" and some made up stuff. If you want me believe someone is scum try to tell good reasons why he is or at least try to discuss about it. There were so many questions that you guys just ignored and that isn't good way to convince anybody.
Sorry for being wrong about mafia but I did my best and in my perspective your and Vivaxs behavior was more scummy than Tictocks and rayns. I didn't vote you or Vivax because rayn is my friend, I did it because I thought you were scums. Sorry for being wrong.
I mean, even if you thought we were scummy, AT LEAST consider the fact that Rayn could of been mafia. You never tried once, and that's what I'm extremely frustrated about.
Didn't we have an own thread for drama or something. I didn't start playing in a snake pit of assholery back when marv and a few others were around without a reason. This game is about arguing, and arguments without emotion are boring. Looking back, the most funny things like Tunkegs rage-poem in the game iamp quit mafia (I think) were some of the funniest things I have experienced.
On December 15 2012 02:47 Tunkeg wrote: Half a league half a league, Half a league onward, All in the valley of Death Rode the six hundred: 'Forward, the Light Brigade! Charge for the guns' he said: Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!' Was there a man dismay'd ? Not tho' the soldier knew Some one had blunder'd: Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do & die, Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon in front of them Volley'd & thunder'd; Storm'd at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of Hell Rode the six hundred.
Flash'd all their sabres bare, Flash'd as they turn'd in air Sabring the gunners there, Charging an army while All the world wonder'd: Plunged in the battery-smoke Right thro' the line they broke; Cossack & Russian Reel'd from the sabre-stroke, Shatter'd & sunder'd. Then they rode back, but not Not the six hundred.
Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon behind them Volley'd and thunder'd; Storm'd at with shot and shell, While horse & hero fell, They that had fought so well Came thro' the jaws of Death, Back from the mouth of Hell, All that was left of them, Left of six hundred.
When can their glory fade? O the wild charge they made! All the world wonder'd. Honour the charge they made! Honour the Light Brigade, Noble six hundred!
In other word follow your leader, Palmar, even if he dropped the ball on this one, and got talked around by the most overrated player on TL Mafia. He won't do it again this game. Follow him for the rest of the time he is here. Also lynch VE and Hapa.
On December 15 2012 02:51 marvellosity wrote: Hey Tunkeg! Go walk off a cliff and die, you scummy, arrogant, awful little shit.
Sho wrote: How was it bullshit? Our reads were correct no matter what. You and Tictock were mafia, Zey was never going to vote against you, it's simple as that.
Good for you being correct. And yep I wasn't going against rayn at least not with reasons "rayn is scum because he is alive" and some made up stuff. If you want me believe someone is scum try to tell good reasons why he is or at least try to discuss about it. There were so many questions that you guys just ignored and that isn't good way to convince anybody.
Sorry for being wrong about mafia but I did my best and in my perspective your and Vivaxs behavior was more scummy than Tictocks and rayns. I didn't vote you or Vivax because rayn is my friend, I did it because I thought you were scums. Sorry for being wrong.
I mean, even if you thought we were scummy, AT LEAST consider the fact that Rayn could of been mafia. You never tried once, and that's what I'm extremely frustrated about.
I think the problem is that for her Vivax was too scummy. I mean like, forget everything for now. Then read this post (on Vivax, the stuff on you was just something i made up on the fly when i saw TT actually went and posted and i had to do something): + Show Spoiler +
On June 10 2020 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now this is for later. I am done telling why i think people are town so here's why people are mafia. This is what i said at the start of the day:
On June 08 2020 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its very simple. Zey is not mafia and Tt and vivax are not in a million years mafia together. Basically shockeyy has to be mafia with either one of them. I probably gave keys to mafia!vivax for winning the game if he is indeed mafia but i really didnt anticipate jeekaka to die. But it is what it is now.
This is what Vivax' "interpretation" of what i said is:
Vivax wrote: Well no he isn't forced to vote Shockeyy. He could vote TT too, but decided not to for reasons I can only guess.
Well that's my point (except you shouldn't guess reasons anymore because rayn already told us why he is voting Sho)
His only reason for voting Sho is true only if rayn is town which you think is always true. He didn't give a single reason for Sho to be mafia. Just said he can be the only mafia besides TT, so he should vote TT, but he votes Sho instead.
On June 09 2020 01:08 Vivax wrote: His entire Shockeyy vote is based on who can be mafia with TT, so he should vote TT, but votes Shockeyy instead. Very weak reasoning when he's treating TT as the confirmed mafia.
On June 10 2020 04:18 Vivax wrote: I really don't know why TT is bothering. You could post a mafia role pm and zey would still vote for Shockeyy because both her and rayn think that Shockeyy is mafia because he's the only one who can be scum with TT.
Somehow they push the narrative that the game is TT + X and we always lynch X first.
And I'm saying this for the third or fourth time.
I have never in this game said TT is confirmed mafia. I have never in this game said mafia is TT + X. Whoever can go to my filter and read what i said. IF Vivax thinks my read progression is bullshit he should say it's bullshit but he isn't saying so. He is just straight out fucking lying of what my read progression is while being pointed out multiple times it was NEVER what i even EVER said.
Then this is what shockeyy says about who i think are mafia:
On June 09 2020 05:22 ShoCkeyy wrote: Rayn, if you're town, you obviously think Vivax and Tictock are mafia, why don't you vote for Tictock? Or do you really think I'm mafia?
Like what is this even? Can this dude even read the posts or what? Before this he claims i have scumread everyone left in the game. Right or wrong idc, but i then i should think TT is definitely mafia otherwise it makes me mafia if i dont???? And once again shockeyy has literally done nothing but omgus people whoever were suspicious of him all game long. Go read his filter and look at his literally every single scumread ever.
And Vivax claims this dude is definitely town guised under his master PoE (which btw i am also part of).
I call 100x bullshit. So stop being an idiot TT. Okay?
Actually read the part on Vivax. Zey was questioning Vivax for this all day 3. Vivax only responded in saying the same (incorrect stuff) he did before. What is she supposed to think? I mean like i didn't even have to lie writing that post because Vivax made it too easy for me.
On June 10 2020 07:01 Vivax wrote: Didn't we have an own thread for drama or something. I didn't start playing in a snake pit of assholery back when marv and a few others were around without a reason. This game is about arguing, and arguments without emotion are boring. Looking back, the most funny things like Tunkegs rage-poem in the game iamp quit mafia (I think) were some of the funniest things I have experienced.
Or Imperial mafia with the 100 pages D1.
I will never ever forget the game that I was detective with two red checks (one being Holyflare), getting mislynched, flipped, only to see town in LYLO not lynching any of my checks because they thought Holyflare was a miller.
On June 10 2020 07:01 Vivax wrote: Didn't we have an own thread for drama or something. I didn't start playing in a snake pit of assholery back when marv and a few others were around without a reason. This game is about arguing, and arguments without emotion are boring. Looking back, the most funny things like Tunkegs rage-poem in the game iamp quit mafia (I think) were some of the funniest things I have experienced.
Or Imperial mafia with the 100 pages D1.
I will never ever forget the game that I was detective with two red checks (one being Holyflare), getting mislynched, flipped, only to see town in LYLO not lynching any of my checks because they thought Holyflare was a miller.
Almost as bad as you not voting when being confirmed town in lylo. E: no actually you are right that game was worse
On June 10 2020 07:01 Vivax wrote: Didn't we have an own thread for drama or something. I didn't start playing in a snake pit of assholery back when marv and a few others were around without a reason. This game is about arguing, and arguments without emotion are boring. Looking back, the most funny things like Tunkegs rage-poem in the game iamp quit mafia (I think) were some of the funniest things I have experienced.
Or Imperial mafia with the 100 pages D1.
I will never ever forget the game that I was detective with two red checks (one being Holyflare), getting mislynched, flipped, only to see town in LYLO not lynching any of my checks because they thought Holyflare was a miller.
I did a huge move, it was just godlike genius, and they threw it away in the trash can.
On June 10 2020 07:01 Vivax wrote: Didn't we have an own thread for drama or something. I didn't start playing in a snake pit of assholery back when marv and a few others were around without a reason. This game is about arguing, and arguments without emotion are boring. Looking back, the most funny things like Tunkegs rage-poem in the game iamp quit mafia (I think) were some of the funniest things I have experienced.
Or Imperial mafia with the 100 pages D1.
I will never ever forget the game that I was detective with two red checks (one being Holyflare), getting mislynched, flipped, only to see town in LYLO not lynching any of my checks because they thought Holyflare was a miller.
Almost as bad as you not voting when being confirmed town in lylo.
On June 10 2020 07:01 Vivax wrote: Didn't we have an own thread for drama or something. I didn't start playing in a snake pit of assholery back when marv and a few others were around without a reason. This game is about arguing, and arguments without emotion are boring. Looking back, the most funny things like Tunkegs rage-poem in the game iamp quit mafia (I think) were some of the funniest things I have experienced.
Or Imperial mafia with the 100 pages D1.
I will never ever forget the game that I was detective with two red checks (one being Holyflare), getting mislynched, flipped, only to see town in LYLO not lynching any of my checks because they thought Holyflare was a miller.
Almost as bad as you not voting when being confirmed town in lylo.
Sho wrote: I mean, even if you thought we were scummy, AT LEAST consider the fact that Rayn could of been mafia.
I told you why I thought that rayn is mafia and was asking you many times why my deduction about him is wrong. How that isn't considering? If you would have been able to give me good reason why my deduction was wrong of course I would have thought rayns role again.
Sho wrote: I mean, even if you thought we were scummy, AT LEAST consider the fact that Rayn could of been mafia.
I told you why I thought that rayn is mafia and was asking you many times why my deduction about him is wrong. How that isn't considering? If you would have been able to give me good reason why my deduction was wrong of course I would have thought rayns role again.
Can you post that? I don’t recall you ever thinking Rayn was possibly mafia.
On June 10 2020 07:01 Vivax wrote: Didn't we have an own thread for drama or something. I didn't start playing in a snake pit of assholery back when marv and a few others were around without a reason. This game is about arguing, and arguments without emotion are boring. Looking back, the most funny things like Tunkegs rage-poem in the game iamp quit mafia (I think) were some of the funniest things I have experienced.
Or Imperial mafia with the 100 pages D1.
I will never ever forget the game that I was detective with two red checks (one being Holyflare), getting mislynched, flipped, only to see town in LYLO not lynching any of my checks because they thought Holyflare was a miller.
I did a huge move, it was just godlike genius, and they threw it away in the trash can.
I still mourn this loss RIP
Post UK passport with the check next time. Seriously what's with this game and english people.
On June 10 2020 06:59 CopCake wrote: I honestly lived in the world in which TT wanted to look town and tried to "save" me to get town cred.
Apparently that wasn't a strategy but after that I for some reason mafia read him forever.
That's disappointing, because I feel like that is something I 💯 percent do as town especially on D1. Like if I come back and see and EoD shennanie onto somebody I have a solid townfeel on I will always swap to a null read to save them.
Sho wrote: I mean, even if you thought we were scummy, AT LEAST consider the fact that Rayn could of been mafia.
I told you why I thought that rayn is mafia and was asking you many times why my deduction about him is wrong. How that isn't considering? If you would have been able to give me good reason why my deduction was wrong of course I would have thought rayns role again.
Not biased but I think you did well, sorry shockey but even with the confusion I think I would have lynched you for changing your reads for the Rayn+TT are mafia to Rayn+Zey are mafia >,< as soon as TT appeared.
Btw TT, why did you decided to move the waters if you had the victory secured?
On June 10 2020 07:01 Vivax wrote: Didn't we have an own thread for drama or something. I didn't start playing in a snake pit of assholery back when marv and a few others were around without a reason. This game is about arguing, and arguments without emotion are boring. Looking back, the most funny things like Tunkegs rage-poem in the game iamp quit mafia (I think) were some of the funniest things I have experienced.
Or Imperial mafia with the 100 pages D1.
I will never ever forget the game that I was detective with two red checks (one being Holyflare), getting mislynched, flipped, only to see town in LYLO not lynching any of my checks because they thought Holyflare was a miller.
Almost as bad as you not voting when being confirmed town in lylo.
I don't remember this.
Was that me?
yeah last summer.
Oooooh I remember. It was actually 2018. I forgot that I didn't have the password to my main account and I was going to travel. I couldn't retreive it before I traveled. So I created a second account, Glowingbeer, so I could keep playing. Then TL banned this account
Sho wrote: I mean, even if you thought we were scummy, AT LEAST consider the fact that Rayn could of been mafia.
I told you why I thought that rayn is mafia and was asking you many times why my deduction about him is wrong. How that isn't considering? If you would have been able to give me good reason why my deduction was wrong of course I would have thought rayns role again.
Can you post that? I don’t recall you ever thinking Rayn was possibly mafia.
I think she is meaning "isn't" instead of first "is"? Nevertheless she was giving reasons for me to be town and asking you to debunk them which you apparently never did?
On June 10 2020 06:59 CopCake wrote: I honestly lived in the world in which TT wanted to look town and tried to "save" me to get town cred.
Apparently that wasn't a strategy but after that I for some reason mafia read him forever.
That's disappointing, because I feel like that is something I 💯 percent do as town especially on D1. Like if I come back and see and EoD shennanie onto somebody I have a solid townfeel on I will always swap to a null read to save them.
If fact, I probably have done it.
I am super odds with my reads :p
It has something to do also with the "times", you just randomly appeared and said you would save me like wtf?
On June 10 2020 07:01 Vivax wrote: Didn't we have an own thread for drama or something. I didn't start playing in a snake pit of assholery back when marv and a few others were around without a reason. This game is about arguing, and arguments without emotion are boring. Looking back, the most funny things like Tunkegs rage-poem in the game iamp quit mafia (I think) were some of the funniest things I have experienced.
Or Imperial mafia with the 100 pages D1.
I will never ever forget the game that I was detective with two red checks (one being Holyflare), getting mislynched, flipped, only to see town in LYLO not lynching any of my checks because they thought Holyflare was a miller.
I did a huge move, it was just godlike genius, and they threw it away in the trash can.
I still mourn this loss RIP
Post UK passport with the check next time. Seriously what's with this game and english people.
IKR?
After that I basically call Holyflare scum in every game ROFL
On June 10 2020 07:01 Vivax wrote: Didn't we have an own thread for drama or something. I didn't start playing in a snake pit of assholery back when marv and a few others were around without a reason. This game is about arguing, and arguments without emotion are boring. Looking back, the most funny things like Tunkegs rage-poem in the game iamp quit mafia (I think) were some of the funniest things I have experienced.
Or Imperial mafia with the 100 pages D1.
I will never ever forget the game that I was detective with two red checks (one being Holyflare), getting mislynched, flipped, only to see town in LYLO not lynching any of my checks because they thought Holyflare was a miller.
I did a huge move, it was just godlike genius, and they threw it away in the trash can.
I still mourn this loss RIP
Post UK passport with the check next time. Seriously what's with this game and english people.
IKR?
After that I basically call Holyflare scum in every game ROFL
raynpelikoneet wrote: I think she is meaning "isn't" instead of first "is"? Nevertheless she was giving reasons for me to be town and asking you to debunk them which you apparently never did?
Well the reasoning was that you are alive (and even I as a scum would have kept you alive), you weren't so active as usually (but you don't move every day so...) and you are pocketing me (and if you believe that reason it would mean that you can never think that somebody is town) so... :D
Sho wrote: I mean, even if you thought we were scummy, AT LEAST consider the fact that Rayn could of been mafia.
I told you why I thought that rayn is mafia and was asking you many times why my deduction about him is wrong. How that isn't considering? If you would have been able to give me good reason why my deduction was wrong of course I would have thought rayns role again.
Not biased but I think you did well, sorry shockey but even with the confusion I think I would have lynched you for changing your reads for the Rayn+TT are mafia to Rayn+Zey are mafia >,< as soon as TT appeared.
Btw TT, why did you decided to move the waters if you had the victory secured?
I suggest you read Scum QT, I started putting some of my thinking in there.
On June 10 2020 07:01 Vivax wrote: Didn't we have an own thread for drama or something. I didn't start playing in a snake pit of assholery back when marv and a few others were around without a reason. This game is about arguing, and arguments without emotion are boring. Looking back, the most funny things like Tunkegs rage-poem in the game iamp quit mafia (I think) were some of the funniest things I have experienced.
Or Imperial mafia with the 100 pages D1.
I will never ever forget the game that I was detective with two red checks (one being Holyflare), getting mislynched, flipped, only to see town in LYLO not lynching any of my checks because they thought Holyflare was a miller.
I did a huge move, it was just godlike genius, and they threw it away in the trash can.
I still mourn this loss RIP
Post UK passport with the check next time. Seriously what's with this game and english people.
IKR?
After that I basically call Holyflare scum in every game ROFL
Dont you do that already?
Yeah, it's been 5 years calling Holyflare scum in every game
raynpelikoneet wrote: I think she is meaning "isn't" instead of first "is"? Nevertheless she was giving reasons for me to be town and asking you to debunk them which you apparently never did?
Well the reasoning was that you are alive (and even I as a scum would have kept you alive), you weren't so active as usually (but you don't move every day so...) and you are pocketing me (and if you believe that reason it would mean that you can never think that somebody is town) so... :D
We didn't really have any "good" shots. I was actually in favor of not shooting anyone N1 (but TT made a good call on jock being a power role). N2 we only shot jeekaka because maybe it will make you think vivax/shockeyy is actually mafia (without me saying that). I was actually considering shooting you instead (TT wanted to shoot noone), i could have always painted vivax mafia quite reasonably imo. I just thought jeekaka being dead would enforce the case on vivax + shockeyy more than the other way around. Well they helped me (at least vivax did) on D3.
raynpelikoneet wrote: We didn't really have any "good" shots. I was actually in favor of not shooting anyone N1 (but TT made a good call on jock being a power role). N2 we only shot jeekaka because maybe it will make you think vivax/shockeyy is actually mafia (without me saying that). I was actually considering shooting you instead (TT wanted to shoot noone), i could have always painted vivax mafia quite reasonably imo. I just thought jeekaka being dead would enforce the case on vivax + shockeyy more than the other way around. Well they helped me (at least vivax did) on D3.
Well it's too bad that you didn't shoot me. I was all night just hoping that I would die and I wouldn't need to read english anymore. x)
Btw why did you say that you think Vivax is town end of N2?
BIO: I don't know what to write here. I'm TL.net's last resort, probably the worst mafia player you've ever seen. I've won no awards and get lynched frequently. I'm probably the easiest mafia to spot in the world. So, why am I here? Well, someone had to represent our dying website and I'm it. I'm just here to have a good time, post conservatively and make friends with everyone. If I clam up and write nothing, lynch me, I'm mafia. Some fun stats for you all:
I've won 1/15 games that I've rolled mafia in and I was lynched day 1 and got carried hard. I'm voted consistently each year, "Least likely to improve" by my peers (thanks guys).
BIO: I don't know what to write here. I'm TL.net's last resort, probably the worst mafia player you've ever seen. I've won no awards and get lynched frequently. I'm probably the easiest mafia to spot in the world. So, why am I here? Well, someone had to represent our dying website and I'm it. I'm just here to have a good time, post conservatively and make friends with everyone. If I clam up and write nothing, lynch me, I'm mafia. Some fun stats for you all:
I've won 1/15 games that I've rolled mafia in and I was lynched day 1 and got carried hard. I'm voted consistently each year, "Least likely to improve" by my peers (thanks guys).
XDDDDDDDDDDD
I said the same: 12:13 AM] raynpelikoneet!: ahahahaha the trolling is real! :slight_smile: [12:13 AM] Holyflare: :D
Thanks for thinking I was townreading rayn when I literally said he's my top 2 scummiest person N2 XD
But yeah I probably would have 100% ended up voting for Vivax last day just because how he acted. Like lol you really decided to make it super easy for mafia.
I think that for me hardest part was people making townreads like "he could be scum but no he's just town here", I get that it makes sense if you have played a lot together, but for a newcomer that just feels too odd : P And mafia is a team game, losing Jock and Cake in the beginning really broke down my town core when I was also really wrong about Tictock : (
And sorry you feel the way you do Vivax. rayn has honestly fooled me since our first game together lol so it's never had anything to do with us being friends. Here I was even pocketed less than usual because I start to know I have to be really cautious in townreading him :D
You know, it's most of the times a lot easier to figure out mafia in the obs qt than it is in the game. Because the mafia in the game are playing against people in the game and not in the obs qt. Anyways pretty impressive, but you still threw it
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