[M][N]Oil Futures Mafia

On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:
Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before?

On April 30 2020 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What do you dislike about my post?

On April 30 2020 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

He was not, and lookiddy-look.

On April 30 2020 00:08 ShoCkeyy wrote:




His post here about dead game being a dead game, then his follow up post here to you Trfel.



Typically as town I act like I don't care, but I do care. As a mafia member, I actually wouldn't care about what town thinks since the end game is winning and killing town.

On April 30 2020 01:45 Fecalfeast wrote:

Can we resolve this

On April 30 2020 05:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

of course.

Here's the thing Koshi, last two games i have completely fucked up because the most obvious people (who did terrible shit) were mafia. I am very very tempted to vote for Jock here because he did something absolutely terrible. Why do you think the whole scheme with his voting and unvoting on you doesn't make him mafia?

On April 30 2020 05:35 Koshi wrote:
GB:
Silly questions
No waves
Bit unfunny oncomfortable gif
Comes out of lurk to devour poor green jock
Excuses to continue lurk

On April 30 2020 05:35 Koshi wrote:

Here

On April 30 2020 07:06 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone actually understand what Vivax is trying to say here? I keep reading this and can't understand it

No, I don't remember what reasons were used last game, the logic here feels so convoluted. I don't think that it makes Vivax mafia (I see no mafia motivation), I'm just really confused.

I'll be back in an hour or two to catch up on the rest of the thread.

On April 30 2020 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

i am not sure if i should play mafia.
I think rayn was doing something to someone, the same thing i did when i was town and it even worked!! But hey let's call rayn scum here because it's so convoluted!!! Because it is. True story guis, rayn is mafia lets murder him with fire.

On April 30 2020 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

because you always do?

On April 30 2020 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did you really see the light now Trfel? Like that post from Vivax explains everything?

On April 30 2020 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have many problems with grackaronis posts.

On April 30 2020 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The whole voting Koshi then unvoting and every piece of it for shit reasons.

On April 30 2020 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't see why he has to townread Koshi? He just has to think he is maybe not mafia anymore.

On May 01 2020 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is simply zero chance Koshi is mafia in this game so there is that. Move on.

On May 01 2020 01:04 Vivax wrote:


If you're caught up, why aren't you voting GB?

On May 01 2020 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's a terrible excuse for not voting for someone.

On April 30 2020 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It's mostly because he seems to be deciding on some reads and then looking for something to fit those reads. Let's see:

There is way more to be said about Vivax than what Grack writes. Anyways that part isn't my main concern.

On Kurumi:

I can understand people thinking Kurumi is town. There is nothing wrong with that. However grack's reasoning here is that because rayn is mafia Kurumi cannot be mafia because Kurumi wouldn't do what he did in regards of Trfel and rayn. It's like absolutely idiotic to say Kurumi is town for that reason (especially when he later on says his read on me isn't even that strong). I think it's just a made up reason.

Then there is the read on me:

Let's see here.. When ever have i had problems making a case on a townie when i am mafia, regardless of who the said person is (note that Grackaroni has already decided that Kurumi is town)? Like, Grack thinks i am mafia because i am afraid of calling Kurumi mafia. Does that sound reasonable knowing me -- to ANYONE? Because it shouldn't.

The second part is also suspicious. Apparently it is suspicious for me that i am trying to win Koshi over? If it's not a thing that makes me suspicious then what is that whole thing doing in Grack's "rayn is mafia" post? Well, the thing here is that let's say this is true and i am mafia trying to win Koshi over. That should automatically translate (or the starting point should be) that Koshi is town. Why would i otherwise try to win Koshi over as mafia? Except that Grackaroni apparently doesn't think Koshi is town because it's not even in his weak town reads with Kurumi and Vivax.

I don't really have a "problem" with the FF read, although i think FF is an easy target to attack here, since he hasn't done that much in comparison to other people. Ironically that's actually a town thing for FF. He is way more focused and "clean" as mafia than he is as town, which was the original reason for me townreading him, that hasn't changed.

Also also.... I feel like GB is just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. Like in almost all of his posts he declares why noone can ever think Kurumi is mafia and how Kurumi is 100% town but he has no indication of trying to ever figure out anything about the people who disagree with him. Knowing GB i would assume him to be fully shouting at me and Trfel at least. Instead of doing that (i mean like something productive) he is more interested in just backing on his own read.

On May 01 2020 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Play the game please. You're gonna fight your lynch if you are town and you're gonna fight your lynch if you're mafia. Unless you want us to just kill you which we will do regardless of your affiliation if you act like this.

Why would you want to build a case on me if you have two bigger scumreads from which at least one has a really decent chance of being lynched?

On May 01 2020 02:07 Trfel wrote:
GlowingBear, my main question to you concerns your townread on Kurumi.

Yes, Kurumi's post was pretty and showed effort. But it was largely a summary of the thread, and only the parts on myself and raynpelikoneet showed any amount of thought whatsoever (not even going to discuss it, but you know my thoughts on that).

Why can't scum put in effort? Especially when it doesn't involve thinking or figuring out who is mafia?

On April 30 2020 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:


I started actually reading the thread and I was posting what it appeared to be more significative, Slam is a scum read because of his wishy washiness. He simply isn't making any hard stances and that's why I think he is probably mafia.
Jock's vote wasn't just super dumb, it simply doesn't make sense from a town perspective. And if it doesn't make sense from a town perspective, he is probably mafia.

I tried to play a bit more but I wasn't feeling well, I did my best to catch up with what is written.

I never called rayn town. I don't like how he is not taking hard stances, but I have a gut feeling he is probably town and I don't want to talk about it for reasons. I'd rather have him alive and think about him later.

I thought Trfel could be mafia if he was actually lazy. My intention with pointing that out was to generate discussion. I think he has being posted a fair amount of information and he is playing more like he is town. I'm not lynching Trfel here.

Kurumi posted the same thoughts I had on Trfel and he kept answering rayn in the same way I was thinking, meaning we are coming from the same perspective - hence, town. His wall of texts has he thought process completely displayed on thread, crystal clear. He's not to be discussed day1 after that. Same thing with Vivax. I had the impression on the beginning of the game that he was acting a bit fake, but he is actively contributing with the thread and clearly displaying his thought process.

I didn't read what Grackaroni posted.
Shockeyy had a bad opening on you, could be mafia, but I wouldn't lynch him today because he does look like mafia as town and he isn't been apologetic for not playing (which I believe is a scum meta for him)

Chez is BROWN <3

FF's post about re-reading the thread and flipping his opinion makes him town.

I don't know who I'm forgetting, let me see

On May 01 2020 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No this doesn't feel right.
##unvote
##vote Kurumi
go with the first thing you had. yolo

On May 01 2020 03:31 Trfel wrote:
GlowingBear is busy at work. He flailed at Koshi for a while, nothing super notable though.

Consider maybe switching to Kurumi? Mostly the same reasons as before. I just feel like Kurumi hasn't contributed much actual thought to the thread.

On May 01 2020 03:42 Koshi wrote:

Ok. I feel you are not connected at all in this game. Maybe I am wrong.

On May 01 2020 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nice that you decided to magically appear just now.

On May 01 2020 03:47 GlowingBear wrote:


Why would your lynch be guaranteed? Nobody was actually hard scumreading you

On May 02 2020 11:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

no

i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.

On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...

On May 03 2020 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:


OK. Thanks for responding. I don't like this argument, at least I can't go along with it, because someone's emotional investment in the game is something you get to know about each individual player and I don't really know GB at all. If I was sure you were town I would be more likely to take your word for it, but I'm not.

As for the other parts of your case:


Point 1 does get my interest. Do you have quotes to back this up?


Point 2 is actually the reason i was townreading GB to start with. I think he would have taken the opportunity to get a mislynch on me rather than just townreading me because I didn't vote. He's reacting to what is happening in the thread. I take it you think these reactions are not genuine looking. Is that because of bad reasoning or just a feeling you get?

Who have pushed shockeyy and why are there no posts in your filter in actually trying to figure out what that means? Or if there are please do point me out to them.

On May 03 2020 00:30 Jockmcplop wrote:
So the people who voted shockeyy are slam, trfel and rayn.

Rayn voted him because he didn't like shockeyy trying to lynch koshi, but rayn also backed down pretty quickly and went for people he was more strongly scumreading (some town points to rayn for this by the way).

Slam's reason seems to be about a beef with shockeyy and the way shockeyy has called him mafia alot. I'm using a particular post slam made to me about it for reference as to slam's reasoning.

Trfel seems like rayn, kind of not really bothered about lynching shockeyy:

Possibly just seeing what would happen with the wagon if he voted there. His point about saying he voted koshi for a pressure vote and also saying koshi's opening was mafia is the only thing i agree looks bad here. I disagree with drawing conclusions from how shockeyy was voting slam while GB was up for lynch. I don't think that looks bad on shockeyy and he never showed interest in particularly trying to save GB, but was voting for a scumread.

I still think shockeyy is town here. I just can't see any case for him being mafia except his early thing with the read on koshi, and that's nowhere near enough to scumread him when his reads have been consistent, and consistent with his voting also.

On May 03 2020 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

wait, why did you want mafia to shoot you if you visited Vivax last night?

On May 03 2020 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

can you just claim if you are claiming or not?

On May 03 2020 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well mafia cannot shoot Chezinu anyways so that's good.
I bbq'd mushrooms yesterday. My son, i am Lucca fucking Ricci:

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 03 2020 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How about we vote for Slam Koshi?

On May 03 2020 20:57 Koshi wrote:

Good news. They are not both mafia.

On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think the following people are town.
Vivax, Trfel, Koshi. I mean like i am just going to assume they are town.

The next important thing is the votecount and GB's alignment. If GB is town, mafia didn't care about the lynch. If GB is mafia, mafia still didn't care about the lynch. I kind of agree with Vivax that GB not voting for the counter wagon -- while incredibly stupid, most likely makes him town. The only person from the "not taking a stance on lynch" by the eod was Slam who was swapping his votes after Kurumi started posting. I don't think that looks townie and i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.

I don't think either of Shockeyy and Grackaroni were reading either of Kurumi/GB mafia. I actually think Shockeyy tried to make people switch to Slam, i think that's minor town points for him. I kind of thought Grack has to be mafia based on him not wanting to do anything about the lynch, especially when his biggest scumread is voting for Kurumi the most obvious decision to make is to try make people vote for either Slam, or join the opposing wagon. However, i have zero understanding of why Grack continued like he did after D1. Basically if Grack is mafia, he built up a scumread on me all game jsut to throw it into the trash for whatever reason come D2??? I don't think that makes any sense at all from mafia perspective.

So GB goes to probably town pile and Grack goes to town pile, Shockeyy goes to possibly town pile and Slam is like ????? maybe scum?

The thing to note is that i still think there is a possibility of GB being mafia, just because FF suspected him, and while he writes a lot of posts pretty much everything he votes for is "because he didn't post in X amount of time" and i think that's super weak. Wasn't it for the eod i would definitely think GB is mafia and i don't think it's completely out of the possible universes that he is in fact mafia. Hell it's definitely in his range of mafia plays to even be mafia with Jock, or Slam.

Anyways the most likely answer based on the above there is, is that:
One of GB/Jock is mafia (my preference is Jock)
One of Slam/Shockeyy is mafia (prefer Slam)
Chezinu is mafia.

The problem i have with Slam is his read change with me and Shockeyy. I switched my vote from Jock to GB to Shockeyy to Kurumi. Sure Slam can think that somehow makes me mafia (it shouldn't), but for that he has some weird association that this ALSO makes Shockeyy town. I dont think he should ever have that association based on what i did. I think this is more likely trying to get Shockeyy back off from him, based on that at the point this happened there were two votes on him (aka possibility of him being lynched -- especially if Shockeyy and Grack are town as i assume if Slam is mafia). Furthermore if this was his genuine thought process i don't have a slightest clue why he changes his vote to vote WITH his biggest scumread rayn???? I know he voted GB in the end but at that point it probably didn't matter anymore and he shouldn't have voted for Kurumi in the first place at all if what he said before that was genuine.

I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...

Chezinu kind of always has to be mafia unless the mafia team is exactly Jock, Gb and Slam. But i don't think that's the most likely answer anyways. Noone is willing to even CONSIDER Chezinu as mafia aside from Vivax and Trfel (who are basically town anyways), so yeah.... I don't think not considering Chezinu mafia as mafia, if Chezinu is not, is a good play for mafia because he is probably almost a free lynch. So i think Chezinu has to be mafia.

##vote Chezinu

On May 04 2020 03:16 Trfel wrote:
I don't really want to put words in ShoCkeyy's mouth, but it's understandable to me that mafia could use a night kill to try and implicate someone and wait for town to lead that wagon. I've seen it happen before (or even not happen if town didn't go that way). Honestly if mafia tries to use the night kill to implicate someone, I think that's the smart way to do it. You don't risk yourself if town doesn't bite.

On May 04 2020 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think this is the strongest point for Shockeyy being mafia.
I still don't think it's as likely as Slam being mafia and there is simply no mafia team where Jock doesn't belong to so basically i am just gonna hope you guys are right then.

On May 04 2020 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's not a bullshit perspective. You said mafia tried to do something and when someone acts just like you said mafia tried to do you don't scumread them.

On May 04 2020 03:06 Vivax wrote:
I think we always kill Shockeyy here with the mason claim.

If he lied, it's one scum down.
If he told the truth and chez doesn't confirm the claim before the flip, we lynch chez.

Guaranteed to have one mafia, no?

##Unvote
##Vote Shockeyy

On May 08 2020 06:14 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyone interested in some post-game analysis/commentary? I can type something up tonight. Open to suggestions as to format (player grades, mafia analysis, game themes, etc.).

On May 08 2020 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because shockeyy is dumb?

On May 08 2020 06:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
No? But I knew I could have been.

On May 08 2020 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For real. If you replace out shut the fuck up and replace out and dont pull shit like that regardless of if youre being voted for or not.

On May 09 2020 07:40 Grackaroni wrote:
Vivax played one of his stronger scum games for sure. I think he played solid.