On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:
[...]
-asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta
-now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
[...]

See these are not "only asking questions" things. Regardless of that, i really liked his thought process on your "meta shenanigans" post. I am waiting to see what kind of meta reads you will cook up. You haven't played in what... three years?

I also heavily dislike your approach towards me, because you seem to be thinking Trfel is not doing anything but asking useless questions, and i am not (before this) giving you pretty much anything on that front except for support on him for "no apparent reason". Why are you talking to me like there is nothing wrong in my behavior?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

April 28 2020 23:02 GMT

#94

To be more clear; Is it normal for a guy who is mafia to say "hey i am gonna lurk and only be around mostly at time X", then question people and follow that up with ANYTHING?

Now i am not saying this CANT be mafia, but like... I think i tried slowwwwwwly try to get Kurumi off that thing in case he genuinely thought that was mafia behavior (in general i mean). I guess no luck, and i think that smells.

raynpelikoneet

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April 28 2020 23:09 GMT

#95

Anyways, i am gonna look at this with fresh eyes tomorrow. night.

raynpelikoneet

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April 29 2020 06:42 GMT

#136

Well at least the two of my initial reads are correct.

raynpelikoneet

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April 29 2020 06:45 GMT

#138

I honestly have zero idea of what youre even talking about vivax. I dont even remember what are the readons you "used on jock"...

raynpelikoneet

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April 29 2020 06:52 GMT

#140

But they are not. I also think FF and Slam are town but i am not that sure about it.

raynpelikoneet

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April 29 2020 07:06 GMT

#143

It's bad teasoning so i'd rather not discuss it yet.

Also i would really like to at least answer your case but i have a hard time understanding what youre accusing me of. Because youre saying i am doing similar things that i did as town or aomeone else did as town in some other game and that makes me MAFIA???

Also i always make reads that people find out to be for flimsy reasons early on in the game. Yes i think youre town and yes i think Trfel is town, whether or noy you like the reasoning that's something i do every single game as town (truth to be told probably in most games as mafia too).

I am also not trying to paint Kurumi mafia. I was simply just questioning the only thing i found to be worth questioning at that point of the game. I dont think i am getting more definite information on that, and i dont know what that makes Kurumi so i am just gonna let it go and see what he does after.

raynpelikoneet

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April 29 2020 07:25 GMT

#144

I am also one more time trying to clarify what is the problem i have with Kurumi. First he ask me about his opinion on Trfel. His opinion seems to be based on the following narrative:
- Mafia is scared to post, therefore making excuses to not post

It's simply no way Kurumi is even remotedly interested in Trfel's opening post unless the above is true. When i give my opinion on Trfel's posting (he had posted more in between), he says this:

Well, I got all bad vibes from this and wanted another pair of eyes on this. Someone declaring at the start of the game that they're going to be lazy feels like a setup for a future cop-out for why they're not putting the effort in.

This is okay alignment wise i think, i mean i can see it coming from a townie too -- the quote in itself not considering other things. The thing that interests me here is that Trfel is not actually being lazy as he claimed at the start of the game. When i confront this Kurumi says:

Oh come on Ray, what kind of reasoning is this? If anything, we should be concerned that someone that has shown less interest in the game changes their behaviour so fast. If that's the whole picture, that is.

Now what? Now we should be interested in Trfel because he ISN'T lazy? Basically throughout the game so far Kurumi has been saying:
- Trfel is mafia because he is lazy and making excuses for not posting
- If that's not true after all he is still mafia because he is actually posting

aka, Trfel is mafia if he is not posting or if he is posting. What gives?

raynpelikoneet

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April 29 2020 07:49 GMT

#146

I am just saying what i think. If you turn it into some weird narrative on what someone else did in some other game then there is nothing i can do about it. Someone has probably done everything as any alignment anyone ever does in this game in some other game.... I am guessing this conversation won't go anywhere so i will just drop it.