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ShoCkkey's reads have been rigid since the start of the game. He posts about Koshi's opening and when Slam attacks him he says that Slam is tag teaming him on behalf of Koshi.
On April 30 2020 00:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So far I have Slam, Koshi, and Kurumi on my possibly mafia list.
He's detached from everything else that happens in the game and he gives an associative read of GB being town based off Koshi/Slam being mafia.
It seems like his same playbook from his last game in the database (I know there are a couple more recent from this year that I'm going to keep looking in to.)
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/534607-chill-hop-mafia?user=ShoCkeyy
In this game at the start of the game Ticktock makes a comment about being unlynchable this game. ShoCkkey says that Ticktock is either mafia or claiming doctor and continues to push Ticktock as mafia from that comment until he gets killed. Calix attacks him and then ShoCkkey ties Calix as a clear partner of Ticktock. After Ticktock flips town Calix gets called mafia for knowing that Ticktock was town.
I'm going to keep reading more games but the mindset he has doesn't seem like a town one to me of taking in new information.
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On May 04 2020 01:31 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, so you believe I'm town and that they tried to frame me. Why would killing FF would implicate I'm mafia? I just need you to answer this. In a very good, good, good good good explanation.
He voted for you and was scum reading you in the beginning of the game. If some one read his posts, then they’d notice that FF was taken out N1 cause mafia was upset FF didn’t help take you out first and instead took Kurumi out, lines up with how upset Koshi got when Kurumi died instead of you GB.
Literally Koshi was the first person to vote for you, then FF, then towards the end of the day he switched Kurumi and died N1. If anything FF death was a mixture of things but I mainly think it was to frame us, and cause mafia was mad they didn’t get their GB kill cause of FF.
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On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think the following people are town.
Vivax, Trfel, Koshi. I mean like i am just going to assume they are town.
The next important thing is the votecount and GB's alignment. If GB is town, mafia didn't care about the lynch. If GB is mafia, mafia still didn't care about the lynch. I kind of agree with Vivax that GB not voting for the counter wagon -- while incredibly stupid, most likely makes him town. The only person from the "not taking a stance on lynch" by the eod was Slam who was swapping his votes after Kurumi started posting. I don't think that looks townie and i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.
I don't think either of Shockeyy and Grackaroni were reading either of Kurumi/GB mafia. I actually think Shockeyy tried to make people switch to Slam, i think that's minor town points for him. I kind of thought Grack has to be mafia based on him not wanting to do anything about the lynch, especially when his biggest scumread is voting for Kurumi the most obvious decision to make is to try make people vote for either Slam, or join the opposing wagon. However, i have zero understanding of why Grack continued like he did after D1. Basically if Grack is mafia, he built up a scumread on me all game jsut to throw it into the trash for whatever reason come D2??? I don't think that makes any sense at all from mafia perspective.
So GB goes to probably town pile and Grack goes to town pile, Shockeyy goes to possibly town pile and Slam is like ????? maybe scum?
The thing to note is that i still think there is a possibility of GB being mafia, just because FF suspected him, and while he writes a lot of posts pretty much everything he votes for is "because he didn't post in X amount of time" and i think that's super weak. Wasn't it for the eod i would definitely think GB is mafia and i don't think it's completely out of the possible universes that he is in fact mafia. Hell it's definitely in his range of mafia plays to even be mafia with Jock, or Slam.
Anyways the most likely answer based on the above there is, is that:
One of GB/Jock is mafia (my preference is Jock)
One of Slam/Shockeyy is mafia (prefer Slam)
Chezinu is mafia.
The problem i have with Slam is his read change with me and Shockeyy. I switched my vote from Jock to GB to Shockeyy to Kurumi. Sure Slam can think that somehow makes me mafia (it shouldn't), but for that he has some weird association that this ALSO makes Shockeyy town. I dont think he should ever have that association based on what i did. I think this is more likely trying to get Shockeyy back off from him, based on that at the point this happened there were two votes on him (aka possibility of him being lynched -- especially if Shockeyy and Grack are town as i assume if Slam is mafia). Furthermore if this was his genuine thought process i don't have a slightest clue why he changes his vote to vote WITH his biggest scumread rayn???? I know he voted GB in the end but at that point it probably didn't matter anymore and he shouldn't have voted for Kurumi in the first place at all if what he said before that was genuine.
I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...
Chezinu kind of always has to be mafia unless the mafia team is exactly Jock, Gb and Slam. But i don't think that's the most likely answer anyways. Noone is willing to even CONSIDER Chezinu as mafia aside from Vivax and Trfel (who are basically town anyways), so yeah.... I don't think not considering Chezinu mafia as mafia, if Chezinu is not, is a good play for mafia because he is probably almost a free lynch. So i think Chezinu has to be mafia.
##vote Chezinu
I don't understad the bolded. Why Shockey is town for that?
Rayn, if jock is mafia, why wouldn't he just follow thread sentiment and vote me?
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On May 04 2020 01:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 01:31 GlowingBear wrote:On May 03 2020 15:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
They tried to frame you. Ok, so you believe I'm town and that they tried to frame me. Why would killing FF would implicate I'm mafia? I just need you to answer this. In a very good, good, good good good explanation. He voted for you and was scum reading you in the beginning of the game. If some one read his posts, then they’d notice that FF was taken out N1 cause mafia was upset FF didn’t help take you out first and instead took Kurumi out, lines up with how upset Koshi got when Kurumi died instead of you GB. Literally Koshi was the first person to vote for you, then FF, then towards the end of the day he switched Kurumi and died N1. If anything FF death was a mixture of things but I mainly think it was to frame us, and cause mafia was mad they didn’t get their GB kill cause of FF.
Why would mafia be mad that they didn't mislynch me day1? They got to mislynch one of the most townie people in thread and keeping suspicions on me day2.
Now, why Koshi, as mafia, wouldn't jump on me right on start of day2? WHy would he backtrack? He basically had an excuse to lock on me today, but he didn't.
Do you think Trfel is mafia?
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On May 04 2020 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 01:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 04 2020 01:31 GlowingBear wrote:On May 03 2020 15:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
They tried to frame you. Ok, so you believe I'm town and that they tried to frame me. Why would killing FF would implicate I'm mafia? I just need you to answer this. In a very good, good, good good good explanation. He voted for you and was scum reading you in the beginning of the game. If some one read his posts, then they’d notice that FF was taken out N1 cause mafia was upset FF didn’t help take you out first and instead took Kurumi out, lines up with how upset Koshi got when Kurumi died instead of you GB. Literally Koshi was the first person to vote for you, then FF, then towards the end of the day he switched Kurumi and died N1. If anything FF death was a mixture of things but I mainly think it was to frame us, and cause mafia was mad they didn’t get their GB kill cause of FF. Why would mafia be mad that they didn't mislynch me day1? They got to mislynch one of the most townie people in thread and keeping suspicions on me day2. Now, why Koshi, as mafia, wouldn't jump on me right on start of day2? WHy would he backtrack? He basically had an excuse to lock on me today, but he didn't. Do you think Trfel is mafia?
I posted this earlier, but it deals with you being a strong town player, Koshi jumping on any easy trains he can form, and atm Trfel is still null. It seems like he’ll sheep Rayn based on D1 votes and discussions.
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Bruh Grack why are you reading other games, my style changes every game. Just read this game...
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On May 04 2020 01:54 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think the following people are town.
Vivax, Trfel, Koshi. I mean like i am just going to assume they are town.
The next important thing is the votecount and GB's alignment. If GB is town, mafia didn't care about the lynch. If GB is mafia, mafia still didn't care about the lynch. I kind of agree with Vivax that GB not voting for the counter wagon -- while incredibly stupid, most likely makes him town. The only person from the "not taking a stance on lynch" by the eod was Slam who was swapping his votes after Kurumi started posting. I don't think that looks townie and i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.
I don't think either of Shockeyy and Grackaroni were reading either of Kurumi/GB mafia. I actually think Shockeyy tried to make people switch to Slam, i think that's minor town points for him. I kind of thought Grack has to be mafia based on him not wanting to do anything about the lynch, especially when his biggest scumread is voting for Kurumi the most obvious decision to make is to try make people vote for either Slam, or join the opposing wagon. However, i have zero understanding of why Grack continued like he did after D1. Basically if Grack is mafia, he built up a scumread on me all game jsut to throw it into the trash for whatever reason come D2??? I don't think that makes any sense at all from mafia perspective.
So GB goes to probably town pile and Grack goes to town pile, Shockeyy goes to possibly town pile and Slam is like ????? maybe scum?
The thing to note is that i still think there is a possibility of GB being mafia, just because FF suspected him, and while he writes a lot of posts pretty much everything he votes for is "because he didn't post in X amount of time" and i think that's super weak. Wasn't it for the eod i would definitely think GB is mafia and i don't think it's completely out of the possible universes that he is in fact mafia. Hell it's definitely in his range of mafia plays to even be mafia with Jock, or Slam.
Anyways the most likely answer based on the above there is, is that:
One of GB/Jock is mafia (my preference is Jock)
One of Slam/Shockeyy is mafia (prefer Slam)
Chezinu is mafia.
The problem i have with Slam is his read change with me and Shockeyy. I switched my vote from Jock to GB to Shockeyy to Kurumi. Sure Slam can think that somehow makes me mafia (it shouldn't), but for that he has some weird association that this ALSO makes Shockeyy town. I dont think he should ever have that association based on what i did. I think this is more likely trying to get Shockeyy back off from him, based on that at the point this happened there were two votes on him (aka possibility of him being lynched -- especially if Shockeyy and Grack are town as i assume if Slam is mafia). Furthermore if this was his genuine thought process i don't have a slightest clue why he changes his vote to vote WITH his biggest scumread rayn???? I know he voted GB in the end but at that point it probably didn't matter anymore and he shouldn't have voted for Kurumi in the first place at all if what he said before that was genuine.
I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...
Chezinu kind of always has to be mafia unless the mafia team is exactly Jock, Gb and Slam. But i don't think that's the most likely answer anyways. Noone is willing to even CONSIDER Chezinu as mafia aside from Vivax and Trfel (who are basically town anyways), so yeah.... I don't think not considering Chezinu mafia as mafia, if Chezinu is not, is a good play for mafia because he is probably almost a free lynch. So i think Chezinu has to be mafia.
##vote Chezinu I don't understad the bolded. Why Shockey is town for that? Rayn, if jock is mafia, why wouldn't he just follow thread sentiment and vote me?
I didnt say that, slam did. Ask him.
Vote you when? Last game he let ho of his scumread to vote NOT his scumread BUT his mafia partner under no pressure and he got lynched for it. I dont know why Jock does what he does when he is mafia and i dont really care even...
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On May 04 2020 02:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 01:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 04 2020 01:31 GlowingBear wrote:On May 03 2020 15:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
They tried to frame you. Ok, so you believe I'm town and that they tried to frame me. Why would killing FF would implicate I'm mafia? I just need you to answer this. In a very good, good, good good good explanation. He voted for you and was scum reading you in the beginning of the game. If some one read his posts, then they’d notice that FF was taken out N1 cause mafia was upset FF didn’t help take you out first and instead took Kurumi out, lines up with how upset Koshi got when Kurumi died instead of you GB. Literally Koshi was the first person to vote for you, then FF, then towards the end of the day he switched Kurumi and died N1. If anything FF death was a mixture of things but I mainly think it was to frame us, and cause mafia was mad they didn’t get their GB kill cause of FF. Why would mafia be mad that they didn't mislynch me day1? They got to mislynch one of the most townie people in thread and keeping suspicions on me day2. Now, why Koshi, as mafia, wouldn't jump on me right on start of day2? WHy would he backtrack? He basically had an excuse to lock on me today, but he didn't. Do you think Trfel is mafia? I posted this earlier, but it deals with you being a strong town player, Koshi jumping on any easy trains he can form, and atm Trfel is still null. It seems like he’ll sheep Rayn based on D1 votes and discussions.
I'm sorry, Shockey, but I don't believe in you. If mafia believes I'm a strong town player, they would have killed me night1 or they would've just continued pushing me today. Under your perspective, if you believe I was framed, then mafia would've instantly restart my wagon day2. The only one that actually threw suspicions at me was Trfel. That would imply you would instantly have him as mafia if you truly believe in what you say.
But you have him as null. It means you at least don't believe in what you're saying. Therefore, you're mafia.
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Vote for me then I don’t care, you’re just going to let mafia win. I’m done then. GL town.
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Btw idk if this matters, but I’m a mason. My brother stopped talking to me D1. So I don’t know who it is. Oh well.
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On May 04 2020 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 01:54 GlowingBear wrote:On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think the following people are town.
Vivax, Trfel, Koshi. I mean like i am just going to assume they are town.
The next important thing is the votecount and GB's alignment. If GB is town, mafia didn't care about the lynch. If GB is mafia, mafia still didn't care about the lynch. I kind of agree with Vivax that GB not voting for the counter wagon -- while incredibly stupid, most likely makes him town. The only person from the "not taking a stance on lynch" by the eod was Slam who was swapping his votes after Kurumi started posting. I don't think that looks townie and i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.
I don't think either of Shockeyy and Grackaroni were reading either of Kurumi/GB mafia. I actually think Shockeyy tried to make people switch to Slam, i think that's minor town points for him. I kind of thought Grack has to be mafia based on him not wanting to do anything about the lynch, especially when his biggest scumread is voting for Kurumi the most obvious decision to make is to try make people vote for either Slam, or join the opposing wagon. However, i have zero understanding of why Grack continued like he did after D1. Basically if Grack is mafia, he built up a scumread on me all game jsut to throw it into the trash for whatever reason come D2??? I don't think that makes any sense at all from mafia perspective.
So GB goes to probably town pile and Grack goes to town pile, Shockeyy goes to possibly town pile and Slam is like ????? maybe scum?
The thing to note is that i still think there is a possibility of GB being mafia, just because FF suspected him, and while he writes a lot of posts pretty much everything he votes for is "because he didn't post in X amount of time" and i think that's super weak. Wasn't it for the eod i would definitely think GB is mafia and i don't think it's completely out of the possible universes that he is in fact mafia. Hell it's definitely in his range of mafia plays to even be mafia with Jock, or Slam.
Anyways the most likely answer based on the above there is, is that:
One of GB/Jock is mafia (my preference is Jock)
One of Slam/Shockeyy is mafia (prefer Slam)
Chezinu is mafia.
The problem i have with Slam is his read change with me and Shockeyy. I switched my vote from Jock to GB to Shockeyy to Kurumi. Sure Slam can think that somehow makes me mafia (it shouldn't), but for that he has some weird association that this ALSO makes Shockeyy town. I dont think he should ever have that association based on what i did. I think this is more likely trying to get Shockeyy back off from him, based on that at the point this happened there were two votes on him (aka possibility of him being lynched -- especially if Shockeyy and Grack are town as i assume if Slam is mafia). Furthermore if this was his genuine thought process i don't have a slightest clue why he changes his vote to vote WITH his biggest scumread rayn???? I know he voted GB in the end but at that point it probably didn't matter anymore and he shouldn't have voted for Kurumi in the first place at all if what he said before that was genuine.
I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...
Chezinu kind of always has to be mafia unless the mafia team is exactly Jock, Gb and Slam. But i don't think that's the most likely answer anyways. Noone is willing to even CONSIDER Chezinu as mafia aside from Vivax and Trfel (who are basically town anyways), so yeah.... I don't think not considering Chezinu mafia as mafia, if Chezinu is not, is a good play for mafia because he is probably almost a free lynch. So i think Chezinu has to be mafia.
##vote Chezinu I don't understad the bolded. Why Shockey is town for that? Rayn, if jock is mafia, why wouldn't he just follow thread sentiment and vote me? I didnt say that, slam did. Ask him. Vote you when? Last game he let ho of his scumread to vote NOT his scumread BUT his mafia partner under no pressure and he got lynched for it. I dont know why Jock does what he does when he is mafia and i dont really care even...
I thought you were saying Shockey was town. I'm a bit confused, do you believe he is town or mafia?
He could've vote me today to guarantee a mislynch. Why would anyone as mafia consider townreading me in early day2?
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On May 04 2020 02:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Btw idk if this matters, but I’m a mason. My brother stopped talking to me D1. So I don’t know who it is. Oh well.
What did the other guy say? Paraphrased ofc.
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On May 03 2020 20:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 10:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Vivax, if rayn wasn't town, then why would he vote for Kurumi even though he was confirmed town with his posts and was most likely going to get modkilled or replaced? Like the way I see it is if rayn was mafia, he would of voted GB out instead because GB would definitely been his biggest opponent, and his biggest problem until N1 kill or something.
GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, Vivax, Alakaslam
If you're town, which I hope you are based on your game play, then that means Kosh or Slam have to be mafia. Trfel seems to be sheeping Rayn or just willing to vote Kurumi based on the same information Rayn had, and he at least is also trying to play the game as well.
Rayn seems to only not be playing recently because people are scum reading him. He did the same thing last game I played where Hap was really pushing he was mafia.
All this has nothing to do with scumhunting but is all association and anthics based. Just read this.... Tje bolded is something ge keeps repeating and the craziest reasons seem to be ok to add to his narritive. Why arent we both mafia anymore? Like slam and I easily could still be mafia together like he claimed before. And maybe we can stilm both be mafia in his eyes but come on.... It's all so little thought through. And the other reads in this post is just things happening. Nothing really convincinh why somebody is scum or not. It doesnt show this guy is critically thinking/searching for mafia.
Exactly.
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On May 04 2020 02:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 02:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Btw idk if this matters, but I’m a mason. My brother stopped talking to me D1. So I don’t know who it is. Oh well. What did the other guy say? Paraphrased ofc.
I will come out of lurk to say masons could be mafia. I hope you know.
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On May 04 2020 02:13 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Vote for me then I don’t care, you’re just going to let mafia win. I’m done then. GL town.
And I'll paraphrase another post because that is actually hilariousnto le:
"Oh damn you saw through that lie, that sucks for me, wifom wifom wifom."
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On May 04 2020 02:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 02:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Btw idk if this matters, but I’m a mason. My brother stopped talking to me D1. So I don’t know who it is. Oh well. What did the other guy say? Paraphrased ofc.
We both just kept talking about how to build trust. His last post to me made me believe they were town. Then I offered to show myself if a condition was met. I’m hoping they’ll come out and save me to help win as town. I posted I was going to help lead the town to win.
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GB vs Shockey is some hilarious shit this game.
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On May 04 2020 02:05 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Bruh Grack why are you reading other games, my style changes every game. Just read this game...
Because a lot of things don't change like how confident a player is able to feel in their reads. A lot of people are having trouble forming strong reads this game and you right off the bad are convinced that Koshi/Slam are both mafia and base all of your future thoughts on that pairing.
That's contrary to your last game where you were much more modest about your opinions. You push HF for his push and go back and forth with him quite a bit but at the end of the day you don't feel confident enough to go through with it. Palmar actually votes you purely to be funny with no reasoning at all and you don't blow it up as him being a clear scum in your vote.
On March 27 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Heh zoom is pretty old, it was really catered to businesses, but finally people are starting to realize that not a lot of things require you to be there 24/7...
Either way I’m in agreement with Chez it’s rough to really play a good game from day 1. That’s why I always found debating who’s mafia and who isn’t on the first day any useful. I think day 2 is where it gets interesting.
On March 27 2020 10:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The only way I can think Trfel is mafia is because he's sheeping HF to try and throw some shade over to HF. HF while yes tries to commit to some discussion, and is known strong player, I can see why Trfel would try and sheep him. In all honesty its still early, people start really coming out when there's like four hours left...
On March 27 2020 15:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 12:53 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 12:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 11:54 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 10:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 10:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:34 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 09:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative. I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia. Ok, why exactly do you think I am/was mafia to begin with? Please just explain it in 3 short bullet points or sentences. 1. You claim you made a case vs Sentinel, but it was barely a case, then instantly swap to KelsierSC for saying your case blows and him voting for you? 2. You're telling people how mafia should be played yet most of us here have played together already for quite some time. 3. I've played with you on the mafia team before, and that post screams end of game posting style from our game together. 1. He voted for me after I made the case on him?? I also didn't only vote him for saying my case blows?? That's literally none of what I write about in my actual case on Kelsier?????? 2. Yet people still don't understand it. 3. Fine. Point 1 is based on memory, but I recall him saying your case on Sentinel blows, then you went off on Kelsier with your case, then voted for him. But what part of my case relies on the premise that I am attacking Kelsier for saying my Sentinel case blows? Ok here we gooooo..... On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. You literally claimed Kelsier would be confirmed mafia here, Kelsier last posts during this time were about him going to work, and about your other case against Sentinel blowing. You didn't really have reasoning here to think he was mafia just yet. His beginning posts which were much literally read as town to me. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/557789-emergency-quarantine-mafia?page=11On this page you decided to jump back to Sentinel On March 26 2020 13:38 Holyflare wrote:
It is not about what I think. It's about what you think. You think it's strong or you do not, you jump on it or do not. That does not bother me. I put my thoughts in the thread for people to see and call out things that should be called out. You are effectively defending Sentinel playing atrociously and even going so far as self-voting when called out to do what? Vote me and say you don't like the way I'm playing right now?
There are three fundamental questions that you need to answer now, Rels:
Do you agree or disagree with the premise that Sentinel has played sub-optimally, flown under the radar and was just not funny?
When I applied pressure to Sentinel and voted him and he self-voted, did he perpetuate the case on him even further or react helpfully?
When Sentinel reacted poorly to pressure did I look worse or better? We actually care what you think, if you're actually town, we should care about what you think. Then directly after this post, you make that huge "case" against Kelsier which literally had almost his only posts. You were flip floppy here between either or trying to get a wagon going. Kelsier seemed like an easier lynch at this point because two players also joined, so let's completely forget about your first push. I don't know what point you're trying to raise to be honest. Do you think that when I created the case on Kelsier those points magically jumped out to me while I was making it or do you think I already had a pre-determined set of points that I wanted to raise in the thread? Trfel asked me about that first quote here: On March 26 2020 15:39 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this. It's not too difficult to understand. I still think the points on Sentinel are apt, he's done nothing but flounder in the thread. What does that make his alignment? Pretty undertermined at this point in truth, unfortunately. Psychologically, and rather egotistically, players are more drawn to seeing their name typed in the thread and reacting to those posts. If you just acknowledge the basic tenets of a mafia player (as I outlined) and extrapolate that all townies should be looking out for that behaviour specifically (because really, that's how you find mafia in every game) then Sentinel should have acknowledged Kelsier's stances on himself. If Sentinel is town, then he should see Kelsier say that the lynch on him is bad but then totally 180 on himself and meekly support it as the best lynch. That is a bad look for Kelsier, if Sentinel is town, because he is lynch bait and Kelsier is jumping on him. Why specifically did I call out Sentinel for it? Mostly for the above, a bit for reaction fishing from other people and also a tad in hopes Kelsier would react (although I think he might of gone to sleep at this point). On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read Sentinel doesn't really understand why I said it so that leaves me with either: Sentinel is not critically thinking about the game in any way, shape or form as a townie. OR Sentinel is mafia and doesn't subconsciously put together the things that naturally come to a townie. I'm hesitant to say it's the latter but we'll see. Kelsier is a great vote at least. I had already determined that Kelsier was mafia and wanted to test the waters with Sentinel some more to see if they were either mafia together or if there was a chance Sentinel could be town. It was entirely inconclusive but that's neither here nor there. I also didn't "jump back to Sentinel", I was questioning (and answering at some point) Rels' questions. You can see how I'm trying to reach a conclusion on RELS (not Sentinel) because I am asking Rels questions in relation to the events. So, no, I didn't become undecided between the two, since none of these questions relate to MY read on Sentinel in the slightest, rather Rels' read progression on me and Sentinel. The point I was trying to make is that you instantly came with a list of his posts, gave your opinion why you think he’s mafia only after being pressured to give reasons, but it’s literally KC first few posts. Essentially what you’re criticizing him for is what you’re doing to him. Giving opinions. But hey you determined he was mafia at some point with only about 10 posts.
On March 28 2020 02:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I'm going to vote Palmar just cause he's barely done anything while just constantly trying to push me for whatever reasons. While my HF scum radar is alive and well, HF at least has been active, and every game I play we tend to always vote out the most active player who flips town, such as GB.
I think your play this game seems very similar to the scum game I quoted earlier, where you choose two people to be scum at the start of the game and tunnel throughout, rather than the way you approached the game in your town game, but we'll have to see. 
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On May 04 2020 02:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Btw idk if this matters, but I’m a mason. My brother stopped talking to me D1. So I don’t know who it is. Oh well.
Awesome. Another reason to have you lynched. If you flip red, the other person is confirmed town.
The other mason should claim now so we can analyse it.
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