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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 03 2020 12:41 GMT
#1101
Also in my convzrsation with rayn it felt like it was about more than rayn testing me.


Maybe shitting up the thread. Maybe I was making too many posts about Shockey.


I went from 0 chance of mafia to a "who os the third mafia in our team so I can discredit you with association reads between those 3 names" chance of mafia for rayn
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 03 2020 12:42 GMT
#1102
On May 03 2020 21:40 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 03:53 Koshi wrote:
On May 01 2020 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do people so hard want to ruin the game every single fucking time i am town?

Ignore it. Maybe he does it as mafia.

Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 20:35 Koshi wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:31 Jockmcplop wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 01 2020 14:11 Trfel wrote:
If I stop focusing on GlowingBear's alignment and look at others, I see Koshi being mafia a lot more easily than I see raynpelikoneet being mafia. But I'm listening to what people say about raynpelikoneet, it would be dumb to ignore.

Suspicious of Koshi because:
Says he likes ShoCkeyy possibly even less than GlowingBear, says he could move from GlowingBear to ShoCkeyy at the deadline, then doesn't do so.
Says he votes for the scummiest low-activity poster while voting GlowingBear instead of ShoCkeyy (after GlowingBear's string of update posts).
..............
Calls for vigilante shot on Chezinu instead of ShoCkeyy, who has been his secondary target previously

Thoughts?


If this is suggesting koshi/shockeyy mafia I don't think so. Shockeyy's hard scumread on koshi is too much for early bussing imo.

Otherwise I think the best part of this case is here:+ Show Spoiler +

Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread.
Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself


Its really hard to parse town motivation from these two posts. It looks like there's a contradiction, like don't townread kurumi for that post he made but we shouldn't lynch him but don't stop voting him based on that post.
If you didn't want kurumi lynched, your objective should be to stop town from lynching him. why would you tell rayn to ignore that post and suggest that kurumi might be mafia for posting it?

Kurumi cheated and deserved to die. You shouldnt talk about getting replaced and shit like that. It's 99% times town being truthful over mafia doing a very dirty trick.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2020 21:33 Koshi wrote:
You stabbed me in the back and went for kurumi and the people in your pockets.


##vote: koshi

Better get some votes on shockeyy then koshi

No need friend. I am happy to leave. D1 is the best day anyway. Even though I was very wrong. D3 is just mafia filled bullshit.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 03 2020 12:43 GMT
#1103
On May 03 2020 21:37 Koshi wrote:
These are good shockey posts. Please consider them when you vote for either Shockey or me.

Explain please?
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 03 2020 12:43 GMT
#1104
Jock. It doesnt matter but those 3 posts you quoted... lol. It's all good though.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 03 2020 12:44 GMT
#1105
On May 03 2020 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2020 21:37 Koshi wrote:
These are good shockey posts. Please consider them when you vote for either Shockey or me.

Explain please?

No. Gl hf with this game..
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 03 2020 12:44 GMT
#1106
I dont get the point of the last post?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 03 2020 12:45 GMT
#1107
On May 03 2020 21:36 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2020 20:57 Koshi wrote:
On May 03 2020 14:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On May 03 2020 14:44 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 03 2020 14:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB what are you smoking, I was saying that FF talked about you quite a bit, and with that early vote on you can make it look like one or the other.


How in any way FF's death tells anything about my alignment? A lot of people talked about me.

On May 03 2020 14:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I didn’t do some conspiracy and just throw it out. I voted with my scum read, how is that throwing it out?


Do you think I was framed?


No obviously not, that’s why Koshi is going on the second “easiest” lynch this D2. You were first, and he started the wagon. Now D2 he starts the Shockeyy wagon and fucks off again.

Good news. They are not both mafia.


well this one, i dont know if it was the last or not
table for two on a tv tray
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
May 03 2020 12:46 GMT
#1108
Koshi you called Shockeyy mafia one or two pages ago.
Also why the fudge are you so upset.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
May 03 2020 12:54 GMT
#1109
Dunno, I didn't have a good night of sleep and just want a wagon going that doesn't get derailed because I might crash to bed before.

Typically, that involves the people in the thread finding the scumreads in common, voting them, and if they show up, they try to convince us why someone else is more mafia than them.

Right now it feels more like walking into an argument between a couple.

So, my opinion is that rayn is again turning a blind eye to shockeyy, for some reason. Was like that last game too. Well, Shockeyy was mafia.

Koshi on the other hand is going berserk because Kurumi was mislynched by rayn, presumably.

Is there any read you guys have in common?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 03 2020 13:02 GMT
#1110
On May 03 2020 21:54 Vivax wrote:
Is there any read you guys have in common?

I guess no i think?
I am trying to figure out what Koshi's read on Shockeyy actually is because i value his opinion if he is town. I gave him all the information i can, if he wants to re-evaluate or at least discuss the read, but it doesn't seem like he is willing to. I know i wasn't being completely truthful in what i said about shockeyy because you are right, he didn't really make a case against me ever. I don't know why Koshi isn't standing behind his read though, he should know that i am wrong there if he is as invested as he thinks in his read on Shockeyy. But for some reason it doesn't seem like he is, instead he is taking the defeatist route which he so much hated about Kurumi on D1.
table for two on a tv tray
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
May 03 2020 13:15 GMT
#1111
Day 2 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT
Votes:


ShoCkeyy: (2) Koshi, GlowingBear
Jockmcplop: (2) Raynpelikoneet, Vivax
Koshi: (2) ShoCkeyy, Chezinu, Jockmcplop

GlowingBear: (1) Trfel
Trfel: (1) Alakaslam, Chezinu

Alakaslam: (0) Jockmcplop
raynpelikoneet: (0) Alakaslam, Vivax
Chezinu: (0) Raynpelikoneet
Vivax: (0) Jockmcplop, Chezinu


Not Voting:
Grackaroni, Alakaslam,

ShoCkeyy is set to be lynched with 2 votes.

until End of Day
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 03 2020 13:46 GMT
#1112
On May 03 2020 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2020 06:56 Trfel wrote:
On May 03 2020 06:41 Vivax wrote:
On May 03 2020 06:19 Trfel wrote:
On May 03 2020 05:41 Vivax wrote:
On May 03 2020 05:37 Trfel wrote:
I take it people were very underwhelmed by my post on GlowingBear


Hard to think of something I'm not underwhelmed from.
Which people btw.

##Vote rayn
Just no one commented on it. Maybe I need to rewrite it.

Voting raynpelikoneet if he doesn't play makes sense? Except for a lot of people aren't playing currently


Yeah I'm sorry if I don't pay too much attention to your case right now. I'm also kinda triggered that today to me feels like a circlejerk between you and me.

But if vets I'm used to like Koshi and rayn basically put 1% of the effort they did on D1, coupled with the FF kill, then odds are at least one of them is mafia. And I'm putting my money on rayn, also because of his voting shenanigans yesterday.
Hm, that makes sense, fair enough. I'll keep my vote on GlowingBear for now (I'm most confident he is mafia) but I guess I could vote for raynpelikoneet if things keep going this way.

Also, sorry Jockmcplop, realized I forgot to respond to you. I am sorry for being incorrect. For some reason I'm having trouble finding the posts in your filter. I take it the reason you ask is because you're scumreading Koshi too, so the same logic that it looks suspicious for GlowingBear should look suspicious for you too. That makes sense but I don't think it really applies to this case, since this is more of an emotional point. GlowingBear should be much more emotionally invested in his scumread of Koshi if he is town, and I would expect that to come out much more in his play.


OK. Thanks for responding. I don't like this argument, at least I can't go along with it, because someone's emotional investment in the game is something you get to know about each individual player and I don't really know GB at all. If I was sure you were town I would be more likely to take your word for it, but I'm not.

As for the other parts of your case:
Show nested quote +
1. Scumread Koshi for misconstruing GlowingBear's play. However, note the timing, he scumread Koshi well after this all started. Despite GlowingBear not having a townread on Koshi, he got mad at Koshi and treated Koshi like town and never questioned that he could be mafia until much later, when raynpelikoneet asks him about Koshi. This doesn't feel natural at all. Town tend to be quick to call their accusers scum, especially when they feel misrepresented and ignored and all the things GlowingBear was saying.


Point 1 does get my interest. Do you have quotes to back this up?
Show nested quote +
2. Shifting reads. His scumreads shift in priority in a way that doesn't make sense. First he says Jockmcplop is mafia, and Alakaslam second. Then he says Jockmcplop and Koshi are mafia, and raynpelikoneet or Alakaslam. Then he was making a case on raynpelikoneet to defend himself (huh?). Then most recently raynpelikoneet as top mafia. It doesn't feel like he is putting much thought into his scumreads.


Point 2 is actually the reason i was townreading GB to start with. I think he would have taken the opportunity to get a mislynch on me rather than just townreading me because I didn't vote. He's reacting to what is happening in the thread. I take it you think these reactions are not genuine looking. Is that because of bad reasoning or just a feeling you get?

I woke up too early so I am likely going back to sleep. Still on my phone, I'll provide quotes at a later time.

I don't feel like GlowingBear is responding to the thread with his reads, to me it feels more arbitrary. Like for you, there was no more chance to mislynch you, suspicion on you dropped. So he conveniently came up with (in my opinion) a weak reason to townread you. An awful reason, really.

Still want to kill GlowingBear but I guess no one else agrees
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 03 2020 14:17 GMT
#1113
No, I don't want to lynch Koshi. Of the three people currently at two votes I would most want to lynch Jockmcplop I think. I should probably read his filter again.

And ShoCkeyy's too, for that matter. But I don't really want to vote with GlowingBear But maybe I should accept the possibility that I am wrong.

Bleh, confusing game hurts my head
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 03 2020 15:21 GMT
#1114
On May 03 2020 21:54 Vivax wrote:
Dunno, I didn't have a good night of sleep and just want a wagon going that doesn't get derailed because I might crash to bed before.

Typically, that involves the people in the thread finding the scumreads in common, voting them, and if they show up, they try to convince us why someone else is more mafia than them.

Right now it feels more like walking into an argument between a couple.

So, my opinion is that rayn is again turning a blind eye to shockeyy, for some reason. Was like that last game too. Well, Shockeyy was mafia.

Koshi on the other hand is going berserk because Kurumi was mislynched by rayn, presumably.

Is there any read you guys have in common?

Hey these last few pages have been great. :D
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 03 2020 15:41 GMT
#1115
Koshi is fucking freaking out cause I caught him. If you kill me you’re killing a town, and giving the mafia the win. Easy and simple as that. That’s why Koshi is pushing so hard to kill me now all the sudden.
Life?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
May 03 2020 16:27 GMT
#1116
It feels like the type of noisy day when mafia just disappears in plain sight. Votes are too spread out and someone will come up with EoD-bs again to pick the wagon that suits them.

Need a vote from Grack and Chez to put his vote into something that makes a difference. Slam too. And GB is nowhere to see.

We can't solve the game otherwise. I don't even care who you vote for now, just vote anything that can get into a majority. It helps.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 03 2020 16:29 GMT
#1117
Here I am!

Rock you like a hurricane!
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 03 2020 16:30 GMT
#1118
Catching up
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 03 2020 16:31 GMT
#1119
On May 03 2020 15:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
They tried to frame you.


Ok, so you believe I'm town and that they tried to frame me. Why would killing FF would implicate I'm mafia? I just need you to answer this. In a very good, good, good good good explanation.
I'm adorable.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 03 2020 16:33 GMT
#1120
I'm reading a bunch of ShoCkkey games at the moment. I'm leaning towards him being mafia.
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