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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 15:55 GMT
#457
Yeah i read the post above the one i quoted in jock's filter. I dont think it looks quite good on him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 15:59 GMT
#463
Well we have like what, three hours? I want to lynch between GB, Jock, and Grack. I dont think i am gonna vote for anyone else unless it's between two other people. I can do any of this because i think all of them are mafia. I'd like to have Trfel here too.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 16:02 GMT
#464
I lied i can vote for Kurumi too. Not really because i think he is mafia but because he's probably gonna throw hard in case we are both alive later on in the game. Based on his reads so far...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 16:27 GMT
#470
Such confidence
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 16:28 GMT
#471
On May 01 2020 01:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 01:04 Vivax wrote:
On May 01 2020 00:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Caught up to the thread, Vivax I never said I stopped scum reading Koshi, I just wanted to vote slam even more for that ridiculous vote on me.

And in all seriousness, Jock and Shock couldn’t possibly roll mafia together again. The chances of that are stupidly low.


If you're caught up, why aren't you voting GB?


Isn’t he sick? Like I’m playing other games with GB and he just hadn’t been as active. I don’t want to vote GB with GB being a town. He’s not in my scum list to put it in simpler terms.

That's a terrible excuse for not voting for someone.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 16:47 GMT
#481
On May 01 2020 01:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On May 01 2020 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 01 2020 01:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On May 01 2020 01:04 Vivax wrote:
On May 01 2020 00:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Caught up to the thread, Vivax I never said I stopped scum reading Koshi, I just wanted to vote slam even more for that ridiculous vote on me.

And in all seriousness, Jock and Shock couldn’t possibly roll mafia together again. The chances of that are stupidly low.


If you're caught up, why aren't you voting GB?


Isn’t he sick? Like I’m playing other games with GB and he just hadn’t been as active. I don’t want to vote GB with GB being a town. He’s not in my scum list to put it in simpler terms.

That's a terrible excuse for not voting for someone.


Why? What’s your excuse for not thinking Slam is mafia or koshi or vivax? Because you think they’re not mafia? Sounds like the same excuse to me.

If you are interested in my reads on them (which you have been not) you can just ask. However Vivax asked you why you dont want to vote for GB and your answer was 1) because he is sick(?) and 2) because he is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 16:52 GMT
#483
On May 01 2020 01:45 GlowingBear wrote:
I was starting a case on rayn but caught up with work.

I can't keep fighting my lynch, you do what you want. You already know who I think is mafia.

Koshi/Jock/ and one between rayn and slam

Shockeyy could be mafia if he is too apologetic.

GG


Play the game please. You're gonna fight your lynch if you are town and you're gonna fight your lynch if you're mafia. Unless you want us to just kill you which we will do regardless of your affiliation if you act like this.

Why would you want to build a case on me if you have two bigger scumreads from which at least one has a really decent chance of being lynched?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 17:02 GMT
#486
On May 01 2020 01:56 Grackaroni wrote:
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On April 30 2020 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 30 2020 20:45 Trfel wrote:
On April 30 2020 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have many problems with grackaronis posts.
Care to explain? I don't think I felt the same way :/ Though I can always reread.

It's mostly because he seems to be deciding on some reads and then looking for something to fit those reads. Let's see:

There is way more to be said about Vivax than what Grack writes. Anyways that part isn't my main concern.

On Kurumi:
Here I don't see scum trying to explain why they aren't voting for somebody because they think another person might have a role. It doesn't seem like the kind of reasoning that mafia would come up with to justify avoiding voting on a partner.

I can understand people thinking Kurumi is town. There is nothing wrong with that. However grack's reasoning here is that because rayn is mafia Kurumi cannot be mafia because Kurumi wouldn't do what he did in regards of Trfel and rayn. It's like absolutely idiotic to say Kurumi is town for that reason (especially when he later on says his read on me isn't even that strong). I think it's just a made up reason.

Then there is the read on me:
Rayn worries me. I made a note that I felt Rayn seemed defensive about needing to justify his own read more than having a strong scumread on Kurumi
[...]
If Rayn isn't interested in Kurumi that makes me feel stronger about my original interpretation of his post.

It also seemed pretty clear to me that he was trying to win over Koshi while talking to him. Maybe he just has a fairly confident town read on Koshi, or he's got an interest in getting a Jock lynch over GB.

Let's see here.. When ever have i had problems making a case on a townie when i am mafia, regardless of who the said person is (note that Grackaroni has already decided that Kurumi is town)? Like, Grack thinks i am mafia because i am afraid of calling Kurumi mafia. Does that sound reasonable knowing me -- to ANYONE? Because it shouldn't.

The second part is also suspicious. Apparently it is suspicious for me that i am trying to win Koshi over? If it's not a thing that makes me suspicious then what is that whole thing doing in Grack's "rayn is mafia" post? Well, the thing here is that let's say this is true and i am mafia trying to win Koshi over. That should automatically translate (or the starting point should be) that Koshi is town. Why would i otherwise try to win Koshi over as mafia? Except that Grackaroni apparently doesn't think Koshi is town because it's not even in his weak town reads with Kurumi and Vivax.


I don't really have a "problem" with the FF read, although i think FF is an easy target to attack here, since he hasn't done that much in comparison to other people. Ironically that's actually a town thing for FF. He is way more focused and "clean" as mafia than he is as town, which was the original reason for me townreading him, that hasn't changed.

Also also.... I feel like GB is just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. Like in almost all of his posts he declares why noone can ever think Kurumi is mafia and how Kurumi is 100% town but he has no indication of trying to ever figure out anything about the people who disagree with him. Knowing GB i would assume him to be fully shouting at me and Trfel at least. Instead of doing that (i mean like something productive) he is more interested in just backing on his own read.

For Kurumi it's just something that stuck out to me as unusual from his post. Either he is mafia and he felt the need to explain why he's choosing to vote for Trfel and not for you, (my thought would be that he only would feel he has to do this as mafia if you are his teammate) and then he came up with the idea of trfel being a role to justify not voting for you, or he has a strange town thought process. It just seemed convoluted to me to come from a mafia thought process to explain not voting for you.

For you I misread a bit earlier that you already weren't too interested in lynching Kurumi before the first post I quoted. The point wasn't that you are incapable of pushing scumreads as scum. To me it seems like you got in a bit of an argument with Kurumi, a couple of people were sniping on the way you came off in the posts rather than the logic you made, and then when it was already over you came back with the logic of the argument which paints you in a better light, even though you had no interest in using it against Kurumi.

For the Koshi point it was mostly my own bias against you. I was just a bit weary of the way you were interacting with him because he was starting to take control of the thread and you were working hard on influencing him to vote for Jock over GB.

I am sorry i don't think this answers any of my concerns towards you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 17:02 GMT
#488
On May 01 2020 01:56 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think Koshi has done anything outside of his mafia range though

Alright. Since you know Koshi's mafia range so well point me out to a game that's "in range" with this game as per his play on D1?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 17:12 GMT
#496
On May 01 2020 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 01 2020 01:45 GlowingBear wrote:
I was starting a case on rayn but caught up with work.

I can't keep fighting my lynch, you do what you want. You already know who I think is mafia.

Koshi/Jock/ and one between rayn and slam

Shockeyy could be mafia if he is too apologetic.

GG


Play the game please. You're gonna fight your lynch if you are town and you're gonna fight your lynch if you're mafia. Unless you want us to just kill you which we will do regardless of your affiliation if you act like this.

Why would you want to build a case on me if you have two bigger scumreads from which at least one has a really decent chance of being lynched?


It's not that I don't want to play, it's that I can't actually keep reading the game right now because I'm caught up with work. I've already said what I think. And you realized I thought you were blue or mafia. You don't take hard stances, your vote on Jock was because "he can look town while been mafia", you have a scum read on grack and you decided to sheep koshi because "he is certainly town" for bad meta. Your under the radar play here would only make sense here if you have a power role as town.

well okay, everything here is pretty much not right. I am not blue fingers crossed now you can actually call me mafia. Do your best if that's what you want to do.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 17:14 GMT
#500
On May 01 2020 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:
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On May 01 2020 02:07 Trfel wrote:
On May 01 2020 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll be here discussing but don't expect much because I'm working
GlowingBear, my main question to you concerns your townread on Kurumi.

Yes, Kurumi's post was pretty and showed effort. But it was largely a summary of the thread, and only the parts on myself and raynpelikoneet showed any amount of thought whatsoever (not even going to discuss it, but you know my thoughts on that).

Why can't scum put in effort? Especially when it doesn't involve thinking or figuring out who is mafia?


Scum CAN put effort, but they are most likely not. It's not solely effort that I am townreading Kurumi. He also had the same perspective as me in the beginning of the game, which points out to him being the same alignment as me, and his thoughts are always crystal clear, original, and kept discussion going. That's why he is town.

I will let you do your thing after this one, but i have to do this:
Why does that make Kurumi town (aside from him "mindmelding with you" which is really stupid tbh), and why doesn't that make let's say me and Trfel town? Because i can easily apply your narrative to Trfel (and myself but if you want to see myself biased towards me then let's only talk about Trfel).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 17:17 GMT
#502
On May 01 2020 02:13 Trfel wrote:
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On April 30 2020 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 30 2020 23:45 Koshi wrote:
You dont have Slam as a scumread. Merely mentioned him being wishy washy. That is just an observation. Nothing more at all.

Your jock scumread was teiggered by jock doing something super dumb which looked mafia. So you went for the safe jump on jock without thinking twice.

You are not trying to solve this game enough to call you town or to leave you alive.

You make no waves at all. You voted Vivax and it had 0.0000% impact. No explanation no nothing.

You call rayn town and it had 0.000% impact on the game. No explanation no nothing.

Early game you claim to have the same suspicion of tfrel as kurumi, hence the townread, yet when you talk to Tfrel there is absolutely nothing there to support that claim. You backed off from the conversation


I started actually reading the thread and I was posting what it appeared to be more significative, Slam is a scum read because of his wishy washiness. He simply isn't making any hard stances and that's why I think he is probably mafia.
Jock's vote wasn't just super dumb, it simply doesn't make sense from a town perspective. And if it doesn't make sense from a town perspective, he is probably mafia.

I tried to play a bit more but I wasn't feeling well, I did my best to catch up with what is written.

I never called rayn town. I don't like how he is not taking hard stances, but I have a gut feeling he is probably town and I don't want to talk about it for reasons. I'd rather have him alive and think about him later.

I thought Trfel could be mafia if he was actually lazy. My intention with pointing that out was to generate discussion. I think he has being posted a fair amount of information and he is playing more like he is town. I'm not lynching Trfel here.

Kurumi posted the same thoughts I had on Trfel and he kept answering rayn in the same way I was thinking, meaning we are coming from the same perspective - hence, town. His wall of texts has he thought process completely displayed on thread, crystal clear. He's not to be discussed day1 after that. Same thing with Vivax. I had the impression on the beginning of the game that he was acting a bit fake, but he is actively contributing with the thread and clearly displaying his thought process.

I didn't read what Grackaroni posted.
Shockeyy had a bad opening on you, could be mafia, but I wouldn't lynch him today because he does look like mafia as town and he isn't been apologetic for not playing (which I believe is a scum meta for him)

Chez is BROWN <3

FF's post about re-reading the thread and flipping his opinion makes him town.

I don't know who I'm forgetting, let me see
@Vivax and the rest, what makes this post so bad? I get that this wasn't really pertinent to the discussion, but I don't think that makes GlowingBear mafia. The main issue I see with it is that there are a lot of townreads and very few scumreads (really only on Alakaslam), but given that there's only 25 pages in the thread I don't find it completely unreasonable.

My gut says GlowingBear isn't mafia, my head doesn't have great reasons to call him mafia, unless something changes I don't really want to lynch him today.

he says:
jock is mafia
slam is mafia
rayn can be town or mafia
trfel could be town or mafia
well whatever, everything else is someone can be town or mafia aside from Kurumi.

into later "jock and KOSHI are mafia but i am gonna make a case on rayn".

what's GOOD in that?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 17:23 GMT
#507
fine, Trfel, vote Jock?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 17:27 GMT
#511
Grack?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 17:30 GMT
#513
I am not gonna vote for FF.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 17:31 GMT
#515
I am tempted to vote for Kurumi lol
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 17:55 GMT
#523
Okay
##unvote
##vote ShoCkeyy
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 17:56 GMT
#524
I am going to check Grack on N1 btw with my totally not blue role.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 18:04 GMT
#532
On May 01 2020 03:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rayn, please just re-read the thread and the interactions between GB and Koshi. I feel like most people here don't read and just base decisions on others decisions. I'm putting pressure on Slam, because I personally think that Koshi and Slam are partners. Could Jock be in there? sure? But what GB is saying about Koshi relieving pressure on Jock is true. I personally hope that Jock didn't roll mafia again, but that Koshi play right there can be two things. True mafia work, or town work. Slam voting me, 15 mins after not wanting to vote for me screams setup play between the two for D2.

I think you are reading too much into things if youre town here.
I dont think there is any chance Koshi is mafia.
I don't think there is any "setup" for further play unless it involves Jock, because most people don't do that.
If you are town and GB is town then there is not that much pressure on mafia because tbh Vivax, Trfel and Koshi and me are always going to be town. Like you can trust me on this even if i am "wrong" on myself and i am actually mafia, but like those people are town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 30 2020 18:05 GMT
#533
I genuinely don't like you want to lynch Koshi. That's pretty much it.
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