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On April 07 2018 17:56 Skynx wrote: Pregame excuse: I've probably forgot how to play this game btw +1 Pregame excuse #2: My laptop died on me so expect phone posting for the time being. | ||
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On April 08 2018 04:29 Vivax wrote: Make it more challenging and flip a coin at least? Why make it more challenging? I for one need to figure out how to play again. I am pretty rusty | ||
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On April 08 2018 06:27 Eversince wrote: lol, spite vote Calix? What makes you think it was a spite vote? | ||
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On April 08 2018 06:35 Eversince wrote: @Glowing: I just assumed since it is so early probably personal reasons. Never played with GB before. In fact, I don't think I've played with quite a few people on this playerlist. Speaking of GB, have a question. If your read on me is "pure intuition" - which suggests you have no solid basis to scum-read me - then how can you ask Rayn and Eversince if they "see what you see"? That implies you have a more tangible reason to call me mafia. | ||
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On April 08 2018 06:43 Eversince wrote: I don't scum read you at all atm. I actually feel comfortable with you. You can be slightly town Who is this referring to? And can you elaborate on why you town-read whoever? On April 08 2018 06:45 GlowingBear wrote: + Show Spoiler + I can see what you see not— Vision milky, then eyes rot. When you turn, they will be gone, Whispering their hidden song. Then you see what cannot be— Shadows move where light should be. Out of darkness, out of mind, Cast down into the Halls of the Blind. It's not because it's an intuition that other people can't have the same feeling towards a couple of posts. I remember rayn was really good with opening posts, that's why I inquired him. I have an explanation to what I see but I'd rather wait for other people to catch on before exposing it. I'll keep this in mind then. | ||
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Vivax might be mafia because of how he went about his GB read. First he says that "GB saying he can't post for a while after posting a bunch at the start of the day reads defensive to me" which is typically a mafia trait, and when Damdred questions this read and implies a negative view of Vivax because of it ("kinda a meh read from you"), Vivax's reaction is to call both GB AND Damdred town. Weird progression. As I see it, it's one of these scenarios: A) Vivax was always town-reading GB, in which case why did he make the comment about GB being defensive? B) Vivax was scum-leaning GB until Damdred made a point about why it isn't scummy, then Vivax changed his mind. But then why would you say "yeah he's town"? That's not the response you'd make if someone had changed your mind. C) Some other scenario I haven't accounted for. However the two I listed were the ones that came to mind when I first read the exchange. So yes, I'd like an explanation. I also don't see how the reason he gave for Damdred being town ("I don't see why you wouldn't partially agree with me if you were mafia") is AI. I agree that GlowingBear is more likely town than not. His posting reads as spontaneous and unplanned to me. As for his case on me, it's dumb because I DID respond to his vote (after he actually gave reasons) and Eversince's assumption that it was a spite vote was more interesting than a naked vote. I also want a response from Eversince that clarifies that random town-read she doled out to one of GB/ Calix. Both GB and I asked about that and she ignored both queries to post some irrelevant nonsense. So I am asking again. | ||
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I second the "how does knowing who the good players are help you find mafia?" query. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why was it relevant to GB's alignment to group me and eversince there? ? | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also it seems like you dont have aread on me. Which is weird since i (1) made an observation you 100% agree on and (2) i made another (same) observation (to yours) where my conclusion in the opposite to yours. Still you dont have an opinion on me, and youre also not engaging me on (2). I am reserving judgment on you until I have something a bit more substantial. I don't believe that posting every thought I have about people is the most productive approach even in the early game. 1. Seconding the "why does CH need to know who the good players are?" =/= observation. 2. I am not 100% sure what you're referring to here. The Vivax read? You said "Vivax last post was extremely dumb but probably town dumb" yes? I read this as "too scummy to be scum" but correct me if I am wrong. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in GB asking my/eversince's opinion on you, regardless of whatever alignment all three of us are. The post where you started questioning that is the one i actually think you might be mafia for. I have no idea what you are talking about. I never said that it was alignment-indicative for GB to ask for your opinions. I did, however, ask about why he asked you two if they "saw what he did" after saying his read was "pure intuition". Which was asking for clarification. Your mafia read seems half-hearted and isn't elaborated aside from piggy-backing off whatever GB said. Basically I don't give a damn that you apparently "mafia read" me because I barely even noticed that you are. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why was it relevant to GB's alignment to group me and eversince there? Going back to this, why did you completely ignore my points against Vivax? If you think I'm mafia, it would follow that you'd have an opinion when your "mafia read" makes a wall-post accusing someone you called dumb town. Yet you completely ignore this to post this question. And it's not even a good question. | ||
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A questionable progression isn't a reason to suspect someone is mafia? Yes, I said that it 'might' make him mafia as I would like an explanation from him first but there's still plenty of content to comment from. And if you thought it didn't say anything then again, why WOULDN'T you respond to it saying that at the time? Here's what you're claiming. Your mafia read a makes long accusatory post "which doesn't say anything" on someone you town-lean and you're claiming you just ignored it until I prodded you for a response? Yeah, I don't believe you. ##vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry but that's exactly what i did, responded to your post. So your reasoning is made up. Congrats, this is the scummiest post in the thread! Firstly, you only responded after I directly asked why you ignored my post. Doesn't count hun. Secondly, you straight-up accused me of making shit up but you don't even vote me for it? Moreover, why are you apologising? I'M YOUR MAFIA READ. Who you're not voting for! Apologizing is basically you waving a flag reading "I know I'm full of shite". In fact, to highlight how ridiculous and nonsensical it is for you to not be voting me at this point, I've quoted all the times you implied, or outright stated, that I am mafia. Hell, accusing me of making things up should be SUFFICIENT REASON to vote for me WITHOUT any other quotes. But you're dancing around the topic and keep saying I'm doing stuff that mafia does yet you won't commit. And you're doing that because you're trying to evade a confrontation with me Three words for you, boo: Vote me, pussy. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's Calix posts] + GB might be right on Calix but not for that reason. She's arguing about stuff that doesnt make anyone anything, or at least mafia. What Tubesock says its not it. I will explain better when i get off work, got called in for today. Also it seems like you dont have aread on me. Which is weird since i (1) made an observation you 100% agree on and (2) i made another (same) observation (to yours) where my conclusion in the opposite to yours. Still you dont have an opinion on me, and youre also not engaging me on (2). The post where you started questioning that is the one i actually think you might be mafia for. It is because your post doesnt really say anything. You dont explain why Vivax does that as mafia you just say it maybe makes him mafia. Also i am at work and wont be making long posts until i am home. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:03 currentlyhomeless wrote: Do you normally answer questions with more questions? If you can rub your fingers together you can probably figure out for yourself why someone who is obviously smurfing would be interested in knowing the state of the game these days. And in the corner, we have the master of dodging game-solving points! Since you evidently care a lot about this question, I'll offer my two cents so you actually do stuff. HF, rayn, Damdred are who I'd say the "best" players are. But as far as I know, they're all busy these days. That's why you see a lot of short posts, I think. | ||
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Came across as too 'certain'. It reads like you already thought he was town and were just making that explicit. If you had been convinced you'd be more likely to say "yeah good point", or acknowledge if Damdred had changed your mind, or give your own reasons for town reading GB, etc. I also wasn't scum leaning GB particularly. I found his post there defensive and that's it. Damdred came out with a hard townread and I gave him something that would possibly oppose his view, and I found his reaction townie all around. Although with fresh eyes today it probably doesn't mean that much. Was just going off the assumption that mafia Damdred would keep himself the option open for a GB lynch. Will roll with it for the time being though. If you 'weren't scum leaning GB particularly' then what made you change that into a "yeah he's town" response? | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:58 Vivax wrote: The enthusiasm damdred mentioned, you can add the bit where he said he will wait for what rayn say. Though I remember GB as being able to be quite pushy as mafia, his posts come with a more negative tone to them when he is. I think it's quite easy to follow how my attention shifted through those pages. But I'll explicate it in a wild salad of summary: GB somewhere in null land, peaces out. See post from HF about posted from android. Think it's defensive but don't want to scumread him for it alone. Damdred posts townread. Confront him with possible argument for mafia. Nope Vivax. Gloss a bit over GB filter. Agree with GB being town very bluntly worded. Also thinking about what it means for Damdred from that exchange. Damdred can be town too cause not waffly when given opportunity. Okay, I'll accept this explanation for now. I don't think continuing this train of thought will become much more productive. Thoughts on rayn? Any other reads to share? | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:09 Vivax wrote: Nah haven't done much yet. I'm bit puzzled over what rayn meant with townie dumb on Vivax in one of his first posts. Otherwise I haven't really started scumhunting much yet. But no worries, I will deliver. I heavily dislike the fact that rayn decided to judge me on paranoia alone though. Cause paranoia means that I scumread someone who is mostly townie looking and as seen from last game that doesn't mean I'm paranoid. It means that I believe a mafia is being widely townread. Since when is going against the grain paranoia? That's a lot of words to say "I forgot to vote for rayn, I'll get on with that now" fam | ||
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As for your post, Skynx, I do not understand scum motivation for GB giving a reason to exit the thread, only just to violate this rule while under no pressure to do so. Mafia would be more likely to just give a reason and piss off. Keeps their story straight and means they have an excuse to not post innit. | ||
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On April 08 2018 22:07 Skynx wrote: I mean why lie about why you are going away if you're town though? I have some ideas but I'll let GB answer first. | ||
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As I understand it, you're accusing him of asking questions with no follow-up, particularly with regards to something about Damdred (?) and his posts towards currentlyhomeless. I think it's a valid point but then again, I am biased | ||
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On April 09 2018 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like, do you think i as mafia dont push my reads and make "useless questions"? Terrible argument. I don't understand why Vivax randomly pops in to question rayn about time-stamps and then fucks off. Or the actual reasons why rayn "thinks" I am mafia. Yes, there are some smatterings but there is no case as far as I can tell. Or why rayn is defending himself against "never lying about something like that" (???). Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people. Basically I do not understand these two and I don't know what they're trying to do this game. Which makes me want to lynch them. Pretty simple stuff. | ||
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When you asked whether rayn could quote timestamps on his phone. I don't want to bog down the chat with this because it's not that important. I just don't really 'get' why you asked that question out of the blue before rayn entered the thread. | ||
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On April 09 2018 01:07 Vivax wrote: It's a thin border between going guns blazing and openly shit-flinging, Calix. You threatening to scum-read me, Vivax? Because it sure looks it. | ||
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On April 09 2018 01:22 Vivax wrote: Considering you are spreading false facts about me 1. Only talking to rayn about timestamps and 2. Me fucking off while I'm in the thread at the same time it's very tempting. If it helps clarify matters, I wrote that post before I saw you pop back in to town-read ExO_. That's why I thought you had fucked off. | ||
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On April 09 2018 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry but this is what her scumplay looks like. At least it did last time. Super dumb overly emotional arguments and that's it. I'm still reviewing your post but trying to meta-read me off one game...over a year ago...where I stopped posting because of shite internet =/= good meta read. If you're basing even 1% of your read on me because of that, stop. You simply do not know enough about how I play to make a proper judgment there. | ||
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On April 09 2018 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not, but if you are town this game then your town play is as shit as your scum play. K. | ||
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Anyway, the tl;dr of what I was going to say about your wall-post is that I wasn't meaning to 'accuse' GB when I asked him that question. It was just something I found, thought "hey this might be interesting" and posted it because why not, it's the early game. It's not that deep, basically. Vivax was more of an accusation post but not 100% because I wanted clarification first. Dunno, I think the problem here is that you misread my intentions as being more...aggressive? than I intended them to be. And then you think I am scummy because I don't go about doing...whatever it is you think I should be doing. Hard to explain. This doesn't really touch on a lot of what you wrote since, as said, I haven't properly read your post and absorbed it, but you can ask me questions to clarify things I haven't talked about in the meantime. You seem to have more free time now. Also me being a raging hypocrite isn't AI. | ||
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On April 09 2018 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course it is not deep, nothing is at this point. But it really sounded like you gave GB basically no "right" answers. I actually thought it made you a bit townier when you posted the Vivax post and in the same post called GB town but then you stated to call me mafia based on something i think you should realize is basically the opposite of what you said.... If you are really telling the truth about thinking i am mafia because "i should vote for you" why are you not reading Holyflare mafia as he agreed with your case (which if correct makes me mafia) but is not voting for me? I'm aware you have used the 'no right answers' read in the past but that wasn't my intent. All I can really say there. My argument for you being mafia was that you kept calling me things that made me mafia but hadn't really 'committed' yourself to that read which I thought was suspicious. Since a vote would have shown some commitment to the read, I talked about that as an example of 'not showing commitment'. Since you have now cased me, this argument is no longer applicable. I did notice HF not voting for you after calling you "mafia rayn". I just don't have a strong opinion on it other than "that's weird, I'll make a note of that for later" because he hasn't done anything else whereas you had the multiple posts calling me mafia. | ||
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On April 09 2018 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well your "not showing commitment" is what people read me scum for every game nowdays. Hell in my last town game i was scum for not showing commitment and also showing commitment at the same time, as i was in the last game as mafia (yeah, ridiculous). I am not sure why you don't have an opinion on this HF thing? Why is that weird, because from your POV and how you have approached the game i think it should be scummy, no? Also do you think "hasn't done anything else" makes him somehow townier? Because i can't really believe you don't what his (at least) approx skill level is. My comments about your 'level of commitment' have nothing to do with previous game performances. As noted previously, I do not know you well enough to make that judgment call. I do, I said it was weird and that I had filed it away for later but that I didn't have a strong opinion on it. If you're asking why I didn't post "HF not voting is weird" then that's because I wanted to see what HF would do whenever he returned BEFORE saying something. Yes, I am aware of HF's reputation. I don't think him posting almost nothing else means anything at the moment. | ||
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On April 09 2018 02:44 GlowingBear wrote: I like the way this game is going. Skynx, your scumread on me is complete bullshit. I'm trying not to make unflipped association, but daaaamn, that's hard. Rayn, I don't have a read on you but I'm not scumreading you for lack of commitment. Just so you know. Are you saying Skynx and I are on a scum team here? As for my reads, I think you and Skynx are town. I thought rayn and Vivax were scummy but I need to reevaluate given recent posts. Didn't like Eversince ignoring the 'town read' questions. Don't have a strong opinion on anyone else really, HF non-vote aside. | ||
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On April 09 2018 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay i am confused. What HF says when he returns depends on my affiliation right? Which you think (idk if you anymore but at that point did for sure) is mafia. Why does it matter what he says if you think i am mafia? If you are "aware of his reputation" what does it matter if we are either mafia together or i am mafia and he is town? Like.... what difference does his answer make if i am mafia (as you thought) in any case? Yeah I am not so sure on you anymore, lol. I didn't spot any serious incongruencies in your posts when I checked, at least. Why wouldn't it matter? I find out what approach he wants to take with regards to you and then look at how he goes about doing...whatever it is he does. Or that was the plan, anyway p: | ||
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On April 09 2018 02:58 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, but I won't do that. It's bad. If you had to choose someone to lynch right now, who it would be? What's bad is you scum-reading myself and my town-read. For shame No idea. Whoever I'm scum-reading by EOD. And if I don't have a proper mafia read by EOD then I'll vote for some AFK scrub. | ||
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On April 09 2018 03:53 GlowingBear wrote: I skimmed people's posts a bit. I'll read it properly later. I'm asking you these things because... well... that's how I usually play the game. I don't like your read on Skynx, it was way too fast to call him town. I don't understand why you may be calling rayn scum. Vivax being scum for reevaluating stuff that fast doesn't sound scum to me, I actually believe scum would refrain from exposing himself like that. I mean, he gives a scum read, then Damdred says "I don't think you are right because of these reasons", he agrees with those reasons and townreads me. I think it's a reasonable stream of thoughts. That being said, considering your contributions, I'd expect a better scumread. It's easy for mafia to call town people town. Comitting to reasonable calling someone scum, in the other hand, is not safe for mafia. When you posted your scumreads, you said you need to reevaluate. When you posted your townreads, you didn't say anything. It's just... easy to say you're going to lynch someone you find scum by EoD. That's obvious. That's why, although you've contributed, I can't take my weak scumread from you. I admit it's weak, but it is a scumread. Wait, so it's 'way too fast' to call Skynx town but 'you expect a better scum-read' at this point after I just pursued two scum-reads? Really? Is it also not 'way too fast' to call you town as well? I don't know why you think my Skynx town-read is 'too hard and fast' when I've been town-reading you for longer. I posted my scum-reads, then engaged with my scum-reads, then was presented with new information which = reevaluation process. Saying I need to reevaluate after I've had a discussion with my top scum-read is just common sense. Ask better questions then. Also how the fuck am I still a 'weak scumread' for you? That's lame. And hypocritical, if I may say so myself For the fact that you're lecturing me about shit scum-reads, your scum-read on me is shoddy. | ||
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On April 09 2018 04:19 GlowingBear wrote: Uhm, let me express myself better. I'm not arguing about your townread on me. I think it's okay. Skynx, in the other hand, is a townread for a couple of posts that in my POV doesn't make him a strong townread. What he did can be faked (calling someone out then reevaluating right after it, then peacing out). I'd never give a townread on him because of that. I'm okay with your reevaluation process, but until you reevaluate, shouldn't you be lynching who you think it's mafia for now? I'm not lecturing you on anything. I'm as a good player as you are. You have to reevaluate rayn and vivax. I have to reevaluate you. But if you asked me: "who would you be lynching right now?", I would say "Calix", regardless of the need of reevaluation. You have the same weak scumreads as me, but you're not comitting in being lynching anyone. That's... evasive. Non-committal. That is what sounds scummy to me. I hate to break the news to you, but I'm not you. Therefore saying that I'm scummy for reading people for different reasons to you is an invalid argument. I am happy with my town-read on Skynx. Deal with it. Yes, I haven't unvoted and have no plans to. Because unvoting without having someone else to vote for is dumb. But right now, I'm not going to push for a lynch on someone that I am less sure of. So because I didn't respond to a generic question in the way you would, I'm scummy? Again, I'm not you, and accusing me on the basis that I didn't say "Vivax/ rayn" for "best lynches" is pedantic. And non-committal? I've taken more stances than most of the game has. I'm not going to feign confidence in my scum-reads if I am not actually as confident as I used to be. | ||
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On April 09 2018 04:52 GlowingBear wrote: Dude lol calm down. It is a scum-trait to easily call people town and not really comitting to a lynch in the early game. It's not just my opinion. Anyone who has played a lot as mafia knows that calling town people town is a safe play while looking contributive. It's weak, but it is what it is. It's impossible to have a strong scumread when we have less than 20 pages in 24 hours. I'm calm. I'm not sure why people keep thinking I'm not. Must have the verbal equivalent of Resting Bitch Face And yes, this game is ridiculously slow. Can't wait for the inevitable CFDs. Aforementioned slowness is why I am considering lynching some AFK dude even if they're not my strongest scum-read. Lynching a top-poster on D1 is usually a bad idea. And rayn's filter is bigger than mine is. Since you are so concerned about lynch suspects, who among the 'low posters' would you want to lynch aside from Skynx? | ||
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On April 09 2018 04:56 GlowingBear wrote: Like, Calix, did you see the reason why Skynx is scumreading me? He said it didn't make sense that I was euphoric to play but peaced out to go to the theatre (as we all know, starts at specific times), then he said I couldn't possibly be back 5:40 hours later. LOL. Yes, I did. I think I asked him about how that showed scum motivation and then he said there wasn't town motivation for lying and then I said I had some ideas but I'd need to see what you said first. It's not a thought process I agree with but I can see town!Skynx thinking "liars = scum". | ||
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On April 09 2018 05:15 Vivax wrote: I propose to get a wagon on n00bking going to motivate him I'd be fine with an AFK lynch but saying it's gonna 'motivate him' is dumb. Dude has no problem posting as both alignments. | ||
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Secondly, you straight-up accused me of making shit up but you don't even vote me for it? From his wall-post: 2) Yeah i can see how you could believe that as town. Bad wording on my part. It was just the first thought that came to my mind. Do you also go with Holyflare 100% mafia because if he "is not bsing" as you accuse me of he should also always be mafia to you? I'm assuming this is the answer that corresponds with this question since it's point #2. | ||
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On April 09 2018 17:00 Tubesock wrote: I did laugh when his first post is a case on you. I didn’t read past page three on his filter. I’ll accept the point that he will always think you’re scummy in any game (if that’s your point). But the only similarities were the first post is a case about you. The games are a bit different. And if he’s self aware at all, something he likely would try to replicate as mafia. I’m up for lynching someone else I guess. Not HF though. Why not HF? I know you said 'his lack of nitpicking' makes him more likely town but you still have him as 'solid null' so I don't really get why you don't want him lynched. | ||
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On April 09 2018 13:27 Eversince wrote: I'll say now that Calix/Rayn business seems town on town to me. Doesn't make any sense why either Calix would go so rashly against other Rayn (Who is peculiarly tame this game). Both got a huge amount of attention and the time frame that it happened in doesn't make sense for mafia. Sure, late day hard push for an objective would have made sense. But so early in the day? I don't think mafia would have exposed them self in such a noticeable way that early. Also Calix re-eval is something that I do need to think about. Because that was a little weird. But, people can change there minds. I personally think it was genuine. It just happened in such a fast time frame. But ack, I can't give someone a hard time for realizing their mistake and changing their perspective. GB's alright in my book. He had something that gave me questions when I was skimming. I'll post those when I re-read. Not bad enough for me to move off my town impression of him. HF is so scarcely relevant right now that it's kinda scary. My experience with him has been: 1) Very strong points against people as either alignment. 2) Crazy active, this friend's filter at 2 pages after a day and a half r.r..... 3) Very inquisitive. He notices things that other people miss. Like a lot. He usually attacks these things and hammers scum for it. The fact that he's not currently doing it actually makes me think he's town. Even mafia HF exploits people trash comments. HF isn't doing that. He doesn't have any presence at all. So I will give him a light townread for right now (I hope you are ok HF!) Oats is questionable to me r.r Like he pokes holes in lots of things that are easy to poke holes in. Then doesn't elaborate on them at all. But he's 'lukewarm' in the sense that he hasn't really pushed these ideas towards anything. His largest attempt was on Calix and he still didn't even bother trying to start a wagon. Seems unusual from a mafia perspective to complain points idle in thread for no gain. He can be on my fence. Skynx is alright for now. CH has literally no post in the thread that I remember atm. Would lynch. Vivax is different than I remember from the times we last played. I'll give him time though. Tubesock seems alright. Exo_ He did make couple of post that I thought might be constructive. So I'll give him points for that. I'll filter him later and see what those were though. I don't remember r.r I didn't even realize nOObking was in the game before I filtered him. Would lynch. Damdie seems ok to me. I think that covers everything. I'm sorry if I missed something! I will go shower, and be back in about 15 minutes! Very fluffy post. Look at her reads. A lot of them are not even proper reads ("XYZ is ok" is literal fluff to make the post look more impressive). She concludes 'on the fence' for Oats after pointing out legitimately mafia behaviour (doubt-casting without committing to anything) but thinks there's no benefit for mafia to do this?! She only 'wants to lynch' the super low posting AFK types and gives excuses for everyone else. I especially dislike her read on me. The way it's constructed is weird. It seems too tentative. When she says 'the reevaluation was a little weird' but then adds several sentences about why it doesn't mean I am mafia. I also do not like her subsequent heavy defense posts about Skynx and I in lieu of finding a suspect to lynch. Since Skynx and I are currently under moderate amounts of suspicion, I feel she is white-knighting me. I did note that she at least stated 'I don't have any strong scum-reads' but I didn't see any real attempt to change that. Oats vs Eversince was also odd. Looked like Oats thought Eversince was doing something scummy in #376 (in reference to Skynx not getting any traction), Eversince then posts something about Tubesock, and then Oats asks for a response to his post in #386. Which Eversince did not respond to. That's the second time now that she's dodged questions while still obviously being in the thread. + Show Spoiler [Evidence] + On April 09 2018 15:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Explain why the hell skynx' case getting traction or not shows his alignment without talking about the quality of his case. In short: - Wishy-washy - More focused on defending 'suspicious' players over finding mafia - Only wants to lynch low-posters who won't bite back - Evasive - Terrible read on Oatsmaster. Seriously, just look at it ##vote Eversince As a side note: rayn's #405 sounded legit when I saw it and I think Tubesock is Oats gets some town points too but this is mostly because of his Eversince posts lol. | ||
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On April 09 2018 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i don't really think you're mafia anymore and i am a pussy who will not vote for HF most likely on D1 anyways. What changed your mind? "Pussy" and "raynpelikoneet" are not two words I would usually put in the same sentence | ||
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Also I have no experience with this guy so I do not know how to interpret his current behaviour. I would probably not lynch ExO_ or currentlyhomeless unless Eversince does something townie instead of just "okay". And even then, I think Vivax is a better lynch since he has yet to say anything intelligent and has nothing but "okay" posts. Which actually makes him more likely to be mafia now that I reflect on his posting because mafia are always trying to make "okay" posts and not much else. The point about Eversince having a dodgy read on HF is good but I maintain that the Oats read is whack. I just do not comprehend how someone writes that about a player and doesn't think there's mafia motive there. | ||
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On April 09 2018 20:01 Tubesock wrote: My lynch order would be something like: Skynx Currentlyplayless Vivax, Exo, Damdred They’re all pretty much the same really. Doubt i would vote n00bking. Won’t vote for the rest of the game, including Eversince. I think the only legitimate criticisms for her is her weird reads. I don’t understand her conclusions on Skynx, Damdred, Oats (not so much what she said in her list but our conversation), or Exo. When I talked to her I think she was being honest and open about her opinions. So I’m not faulting her for that. Anyway, I think she’s town. What makes you town-read n00bking strongly enough to say that you 'won't vote [him] for the rest of the game'? Or was that comment just referring to Eversince? | ||
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On April 09 2018 20:45 Eversince wrote: ack, i guess i'm misunderstood lol. Calix thinks I'm scum. Rayn think's I'm scum. The people I knighted for have gone against me. Ask your questions, I don't want to be lynched because we misunderstand each other. Could you elaborate on your HF and Oats reads? Because as I noted before, I don't get how you are not mafia-reading Oats. And rayn/ HF do not understand why you're town-reading HF (I think). Also I am rereading your posts. Because n00bking said your theories about mafia coordination were not unusual. When I first read those posts, I thought they were unconvincing (because one cannot tell how active or coordinated a mafia team is) but I wasn't sure whether it meant anything for your alignment. Since it apparently doesn't, it follows that there may be further misunderstandings. | ||
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You said he was on the fence which I interpreted as a nullish read. | ||
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On April 09 2018 20:57 Eversince wrote: Because he hasn't been at all productive with his points. That's a problem. I misword maby? Any of them in particular which you felt were 'not at all productive'? | ||
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Would like some explicit reads so I know where his head's at though. Right now he's consistently made posts which imply I am town, consistently suggests Vivax is mafia, and some posts about a few other players like Eversince. Envisioning that Eversince is scum, then is she also white-knighting Skynx? Or do you think the way she's defending him feels different, and that he's more likely to be a scummate than just another townie she's trying to cozy up to? Generally I do not make pre-flip associations. | ||
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On April 09 2018 21:04 Eversince wrote: Look at his filter. All of it is 'This is wrong' Ignores caring about. Doesn't push. Doesn't fish around (Like right now! I am here but nothing?) Hm, you might have a point. He does have a lot of negative posts in his filter. | ||
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Eversince, who are you gonna vote for? Would also like ExO_'s other mafia reads, or whoever he would vote for outside of his "placeholder" vote. Day 1 Vote count remaining Eversince (3): Calix, raynpelikoneet, ExO_ Calix (2): GlowingBear, Oatsmaster Holyflare (1): currentlyhomeless GlowingBear (1): Skynx n00bking (1): Vivax Vivax (1): n00bking Skynx (1): Tubesock ExO_ (0): Raynpelikoneet (0): Not Voting: Holyflare, Eversince, Damdred Currently Eversince is set to be lynched. Voting is mandatory! Place votes in THIS THREAD (link) | ||
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On April 09 2018 21:22 Vivax wrote: I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath. You also started posting after I voted for you. Coincidence or caught pants down? Either way the fact you are discrediting the way rayn posts really puts you in a bad light for me. I think Calix is town too but busy annoying the raynzo for false reasons and you just chime in taking sides lazily with the above post. What game are you reading? rayn's early posts were not 'very coherent'. Multiple players have agreed with this sentiment. If I was annoying rayn for ""false"" reasons then how am I town? O_______o | ||
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On April 09 2018 21:26 Eversince wrote: None of the most questionable people from my list have wagons. I don't have the time or energy to dedicate into trying. Dunno if you've noticed, luv, but nobody has a wagon so that excuse won't fly. You have three votes. Oats hasn't been discussed aside from Tubesock thinking he's 'solid town' but people have been talking about lynching CH who you would vote for if I recall nicely. | ||
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On April 09 2018 21:32 ExO_ wrote: Right now I don’t think I have any scum reads I’m super confident in but I’m not a fan of Damdreds 4 posts Don't care about 'confident' reads. It's D1. Who else do you think has "above average odds for being mafia"? Why don't you like Damdred's posts? | ||
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On April 09 2018 21:36 Vivax wrote: I've read his big post though where he concludes with a bunch of reads and the second post after where he readresses something he explained poorly. All of that combined screams super town to me. And it is coherent. Why should I only focus on his early stuff where he was at work instead? That has nothing to do with anything I said. I was talking about how his early posts were not coherent. n00bking made his 'I agree that rayn's posts are hard to understand' early on in his catch-up. The quality of his later posts is irrelevant (✿ヘᴥヘ) And don't think just because you asked a rhetorical question about rayn means I'm going to forget that cute evasion of my own question (ʘ‿ʘ✿) If I have false reasons for accusing rayn then how am I town again??? Especially since you ALSO accused me of being full of shite and 'inventing facts' to attack you (◕‿◕✿) | ||
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On April 09 2018 21:44 ExO_ wrote: Damdred has essentially said nothing. He has one post greater than a sentence, and its saying that he doesnt think GB could fake enthusiam. The Damdred I remember is wordy and analytical. He’s not present at all right now. I could see scum Damdred coasting the first couple days, and then try to make some excuse for it He did say he was going to be busy. Don't think his crappy posts are terribly indicative. Since you yourself say you have weak reads, I shall take a different tack. I'd like your opinion on (what you think) the 'big topics' in the thread and what they might say about the players involved. You have not really commented on any of those, preferring to give town-reads on Vivax/ HF and a scum-lean on Damdred if I recall well. | ||
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On April 09 2018 21:49 ExO_ wrote: @Calix, @Vivax I think you guys need to take a step back. I think this is TvT. Don’t tunnel or start name calling. The hell? I asked for a response to a question he dodged. He doesn't even think I'm mafia (for reasons). It's not like we're here for a 1v1 mate. HF why didn't you like that Vivax post? | ||
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On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote: I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? His evasion of his weird-arse read on me. He called my reasons for scum!rayn "false". He had also accused me of making facts up to scum-read him. WHY DOES HE THINK I'M TOWN? | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:02 Eversince wrote: You guys are stupid. Kill the fucking Smith. Great idea. Dude, people are talking about killing Vivax and you do this??? | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:05 Eversince wrote: I do this because I need to sleep. I am out of time. I am lynch. I need to change this. I will die for this which sucks but whatever. I voted for Vivax just before he posted VC. | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:05 ExO_ wrote: The impression I get is this: He thinks you’re wrong, but that it doesn’t make you scum. However the language both of you are using has looked like its getting more heated. In particular right now you seem really frustrated and angry Calix I’ll take another look at Vivaxs filter but he seems towny to me. In the mean time, what do you think of Holyflare right now Calix? I'm not feeling anything in particular. I think people misread the language I use as being 'angry' when it's just how I talk. If I was actually angry then it would be obvious. I agree with his Vivax posts. However I don't really trust him. He accused rayn after I did. Now he accuses Vivax alongside me. Looks like a pattern. Nothing substantial to back it up, just wary. I would probably not want to lynch him today though. Vivax looks well bad even without HF's points. | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:17 Vivax wrote: My guess is Skynx/HF/N00bking If one of these is wrong, Calix is a balls to the wall mafia. But not on D1, she'd have earned that much. So I've gone from 'town with false reasons to attack rayn' to 'potential ballsy mafia I checked your filter to see why n00b was still in there, because you initially voted for him when he hadn't posted, and your reason for scum-reading him sucks. He made some comments about rayn being hard to understand, therefore he's mafia? | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:30 Vivax wrote: Well his post isn't conclusive. He basically says "rayn writes unintelligible stuff ergo he goes against win con as town and for win con as mafia" but he doesn't go ahead and scum read him for it and remains non committal instead. Being a guy who loves to just say "he can be x or y" as mafia in long overly worded posts as mafia, that makes him mafia to me. And you are not worth considering for me for day 1 lynch. I find you very disruptive to solving the game so far but I can't discern if you are genuinely like that as town or doing it cause it helps your team so I prefer to follow a wait and see approach. Will be more fun to lynch you for last anyway if you are mafia cause it must take a tremendous effort to do what you're doing. You said you were scum-reading him for discrediting rayn, not for having no conclusion on rayn. Looks like you shifted the topic there. Questioning players, making cases and following up on unanswered questions is extremely counterproductive to the goal of solving the game. Obviously. You having a laugh mate? I distinctly recall you making a similar point about me in a game where I was actually mafia. And you didn't go about it like this. I should maybe look into that. | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:31 Eversince wrote: I parked my vote noob. I don't honestly know if he's scum but I can't get mislynch. I have to try to survive. And out of the options I think noob is the best place. Admitting Vivax is scum? Why did you call my reads 'good' when I'm going hard at Vivax? Who you town-read? >.> | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:37 Eversince wrote: I agree with your view point to the point I'm offering you a gun. Don't shoot Vivax. So you're planning to give me a gun tonight, yeah? Not rayn. | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:40 Eversince wrote: Oh, I might give it to Rayn. I personally trust Rayn to aim it the right direction. But your willingness to rejudge your reads is enough for me to consider you an option to Something about this claim doesn't add up. | ||
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Wait, never mind. Checked OP and realised I am wrong. | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:47 Eversince wrote: I just claimed a blue.... mafia will kill me. Or next level mafia shit if they have a RB, they can RB me to lead a mislynch cycle 2. I don't know if they have a RB though. If they do not though I will take kp tonight. Scusi, Miss Eversince, but would you like to take the time to filter-dive a player you think is scum and use your new-found influence to lynch one of your less mainstream reads? Or would you rather talk about blues? | ||
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On April 09 2018 23:00 Eversince wrote: Fucking lynch me then. At least then I can laugh after the fact. Then do something instead of talk about blues? srsly In fact can we just not discuss blues? Someone's going to say something stupid sooner or later, lol. | ||
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rayn/ ExO_ will probably unvote once they your claim. There are several hours to go. This is a site where people randomly bandwagon someone at the last minute. So I don't really get why you're panicking about being lynched just because some people are questioning the validity of your claim or some shit. | ||
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On April 09 2018 23:14 Eversince wrote: what makes him mafia HF? A lack of scummy traits =/= town-read, otherwise one would also town-read, I dunno, Damdred. | ||
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On April 09 2018 23:17 currentlyhomeless wrote: why is HF so aware of lynch influence this whole post is just stating facts. my hairs are prickly oh noooooo I made a similar post to the one you're criticising HF for. Why single his post out while ignoring mine? | ||
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On April 09 2018 23:42 Vivax wrote: Rayn is likely sheepable but not on ExO, I think that's an incorrect guess. Since rayn also suspects HF of being mafia there is a decent chance that the wagon will get rolling there. We shall see what GB Oats and Damdred think. Could use more Damdred in here as well. Your rayn sentence is weird. He's currently voting for Eversince. It's a bit odd that you qualify rayn being 'sheepable' by saying you wouldn't vote for ExO_, the person who rayn is most likely to switch his vote to. I also do not know why you think ExO_ is town aside from "too bad to be scum" (?). What did you make of his latest posts? | ||
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On April 09 2018 23:51 Vivax wrote: Given ES claimed GS there is no way she is getting lynched today. That leaves ExO, HF and maybe you as the next candidates for rayn. Since ExO is a no-go for me atm you can guess where I'll be trying to be ending up with rayn, provided he trusts me enough. If you're 'trying to end up on X' with rayn then that's not you thinking rayn is sheepable, is it? And why is ExO_ a no-go? Are you ever going to explain your reads? Because I'm this close to parking my vote on you forever. | ||
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On April 10 2018 00:22 Vivax wrote: It's fucking simple cause the reason I said it is cause I thought HF is mafia going all in with a push on me regardless of who was up for lynch. If it was 'regardless of who was up for lynch' then why add a comment suggesting HF's push was because of circumstances relating to who was up for lynch? | ||
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No you don't. You could just tell us to fuck right off before blowing us away with some intelligent scum-reads. | ||
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On April 10 2018 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Head says leave the claim alive heart says dont because es wants to give gun to probably calix because her reads are good but the difference in pur reads is bas8cally exo and vivax and es hard-townreads vivax who calix scumreads. Yeah I don't get the Vivax discrepancy either. | ||
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On April 10 2018 00:37 Vivax wrote: Then talk about something else. 1) Skynx entry trying to be overly polished in an environment that really wasn't. 2) N00bking talking again like a politician where he says a shitton while saying nothing. 3) HF trying to lynch me on D1 on flimsy arguments he didn't want to engage me in. 1. Maybe a valid point. 2. Isn't this always how he talks? If you have specific quotes from his recent town/ mafia games that showcase a visible difference in how he talks then I'd like to see them. 3. He's been interacting you quite a lot. Is that not engagement? | ||
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On April 10 2018 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Mmmm anyway i think you are town so eh. Wanna lynch calix? Why are you still mafia-reading me exactly? Most of your recent posts have been devoid of anything relating to a "read" aside from some weird mixture of talking about Vivax while not wanting to lynch him three hours before EOD. And it's weird because it shows a lack of priorities. | ||
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Meh point. Given the posts in question were made because I was in a discussion with other players who wanted information about my reads, some repetition would be expected. I'm not getting lynched but sure, you can keep trying. | ||
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On April 10 2018 01:14 Oatsmaster wrote: You also never answered my question What question? | ||
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He's just become weirdly emotional. Weird because HF wasn't actually bullying him. So I don't relate to why he got upset. | ||
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Isn't this just asking why I think Vivax is mafia? My current opinion is that his posts are bland and uninteresting. He hasn't said anything engaging. He has an entire scum-team theory yet I do not give a damn about ANY of his scum-reads. Instead of pushing his reads, he takes on this defeatist attitude about convincing others to vote for his reads. He called me town despite saying I was pushing rayn for false reasons (which is not a town tell ever) and never explained that despite me asking him about 39580670 times. His reaction to being called out about the "HF pushing me because a mafia's on the line" quote looks like flailing scum to me. I also don't get why he's getting emotional. Which is not necessarily scummy by itself but it's not helping me think he's town. | ||
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On April 10 2018 01:21 GlowingBear wrote: I think there is a high probability rayn is mafia in this game Since when??? | ||
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On April 10 2018 01:26 GlowingBear wrote: He wasn't a sure townread, and I think his pushes are totally weird rn. He voted eversince, like, what? Which gives him a "high probability of him being mafia this game" because...? Not being a sure town-read =/= TOTES MAFIAH. | ||
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On April 10 2018 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote: So posts have to be interesting to be town? Sure.... Also you don't care about his reads cause you think he's mafia, it's terrible bias Picking the most 'eccentric' read and acting like that negates all my other points is bad. Since you think he's town, feel free to try and change my mind. Why do you say I'm biased? Reads like you think I am town while you call me scum. | ||
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On April 10 2018 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Wait a minute calix, who do you think is mafia outside of vivax? ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by. Damdred possible third. | ||
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Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts. | ||
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On April 10 2018 01:44 Vivax wrote: Unless you construe that as me saying that you push him for lies which is not what I meant. I just meant to say that your reasons don't make him mafia. Why didn't you clear this up earlier, may I ask? | ||
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Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. | ||
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On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote: It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D | ||
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On April 10 2018 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote: He thinks you are mafia and vivax is town lol, it's super clear You might have a point here. In any case, I noticed you said 'ExO looks terrible' or something to that effect, want to elaborate on that? | ||
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On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote: There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation. | ||
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On April 10 2018 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote: So since he answered it and gave that explanation he isn't scum anymore right? Since that was a significant part of your earlier reasons No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town. Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc. @n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol. | ||
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On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Literally the only resistance to his lynch is me what the heck. I meant with wagons. Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere. I concluded Vivax because his wagon is the one that's most static and somehow hasn't exceeded three votes despite few people properly town-reading or going out on a leg to defend him. | ||
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On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way? | ||
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On April 10 2018 02:41 ExO_ wrote: Enlighten me, why do you want to lynch me? I have 20 minutes left on my lunch. And side note trying to read n00bking filter is obonoxious as hell. I’ve never quite seen somebody consantly feel the need to use 20 words when 2 would suffice. Loves to bash TL mafia and toot his own horn like he’s the second coming in TL mafia, but isn’t really helping anybody. Its very hard to be objective towards him with this attitude. And any good player would know that constantly filling the thread with your own ego is more of a distraction to town than it is helping them. Dunno about rayn but I think you're mafia skirting by. Your reads are safe (e.g., scum-reading Damdred), you don't seem to be doing a lot, and the only read I really remember from you is you insisting Vivax is town. Well, not even that. You have this to say about him: mixed feelings on Vivax, and low post count doesn’t help, but his thoughts on Calix and the reaction he had when Calix responded feel townie to me And you also have a couple posts where you say he 'seems townie' or 'doesn't give me scum vibes'. It's one of the few things you've 'pushed' (for lack of a better word) in the thread and I am not sure why since you haven't explained your read well. I also didn't like that post you made where you tried to break up the Vivax/ Calix thing when it wasn't a fight. Felt out of place. This isn't really a case because it's mostly what you're 'not' doing that concerns me (not making waves, not trying to find scum) more than what you are doing. | ||
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On April 10 2018 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote: He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this. Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all? | ||
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You've interacted with me for like, two pages and you're no more or less convinced on what my alignment is despite me answering a shitload of your questions. Don't think I believe you. | ||
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On April 10 2018 03:07 Oatsmaster wrote: You said changed my read which is no. I'm convinced you are scum, I think that's pretty obvious I said 'changed at all', I think you'll find. I maintain nobody's read remains 100% static after prolonged interaction with them. But since you are apparently 'convinced' that the super-solvy townie with highest post count is mafia, I shall go back to fucking around in the thread. | ||
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When I agree with Vivax on something, you know it's bad, lol. | ||
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On April 10 2018 03:18 n00bKing wrote: Can sure be convinced to lynch Oatsmaster. Choosing you as the best D1 lynch strikes me as pretty ridiculous. He's just as obtuse as Vivax, but it feels more sinister. Vivax is maybe more...directionless, than malicious. Yeah, it's dumb and possibly scummy but I am not lynching anyone with 6-page filter on D1. I think this should be common sense. It's amazing that people are not taking this into account. Mafia like shooting the active high-posting people and leaving the shitty AFK scrubs. Lynching someone who is freely active and not trying to hide on D1 is therefore a terrible idea. This argument is why I am a bad lynch. It's self-serving in my case but who gives a shit, it's not wrong. | ||
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You said you might sheep Oats, lol. I also interpreted that as a scum-read on me. | ||
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On April 10 2018 03:26 Skynx wrote: You really don't have to be a savant to read the thread and come up with the conclusions you did in this case lol. You are parroting Tube, GB, rayn and i don't know who else who called my case shit. | ||
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Isn't he meant to be below-average at the mafia alignment? Dunno why I'm asking - don't you know Vivax's meta well enough to know what he generally does as mafia by now? I wouldn't know from personal experience aside from my first game here. He only stopped doing stuff after D3-ish in that game. And that was after his team-mate died D2, I think. | ||
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On April 10 2018 04:10 Damdred wrote: Just my thought but this vote count is horrendous for town I actually agree with you. It is why I am starting to think Vivax might be town despite what I think of his posting. Because there have been a lot of posts but the votes have been weirdly static. Mafia is either AFK or they do not give a damn. Since you could lynch almost anyone here if you wanted to, I think it's option #2. | ||
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On April 10 2018 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Why don't we consolidate on you? Thanks for your consideration That would be strictly sub-optimal. | ||
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On April 10 2018 04:20 n00bKing wrote: So, Skynx has a very simple path to self-preservation, which is just to vote against Vivax. He votes against me instead, which (regardless of Vivax's own alignment) just SCREAMS "I know someone has my back." Huh? That's like the opposite conclusion to what I had. Seriously, not taking the path of least resistance is what townies do. Mafia would just take the Vivax lynch. It's not like Skynx would get much flak for it cuz self-preservation. | ||
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On April 10 2018 04:24 Vivax wrote: GlowingBeer could be anyone and whoever it is should be modkilled for that vote. Well I unvoted you anyway. I'm now waffling over whether to vote n00b or not. And it's annoying. | ||
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On April 10 2018 04:27 Holyflare wrote: He's not mafia. Why are you even mentioning him now? Because I DON'T know who to vote for. | ||
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On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote: Insert berating comment here "I told you so" after a mislynch is quite scummy, good sir. Flipping your read on me from super-town to super-mafia because I...took a warning over simply voting for someone...makes no sense. | ||
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On April 10 2018 04:42 Holyflare wrote: It makes perfect fucking sense. You backpedal on vivax because (no reasons) to say skynx looks towny for not voting to save himself but then you can't be fucked to vote A LITERALLY AFK PERSON THAT DOES NOTHING because you're waffling over a guy that unvoted the LEAD wagon to vote a new person with 5 minutes to go??? I cited the vote count as a reason to 'backpedal' on Vivax. No reasons is objectively incorrect. I didn't know how many votes n00bking had or whatever you're talking about with him. So I didn't conclude that he unvoted the lead wagon or whatever. Whereas Skynx/ Vivax happened earlier before votes went everywhere. I don't think this is difficult to figure out. And why would "I couldn't be fucked to vote an AFK guy" be a scum tell unless I was literally on a scum team with currentlyhomeless? And if I was on a scum team with currentlyhomeless, why would I not just...vote for n00bking? Your scum-read does not make any sense, lol. | ||
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On April 10 2018 04:47 Holyflare wrote: Vote counts mean shit all. You just saw noobking get lynched based on absolutely nothing. No words to vote him. Why was he lynched? What case? What reason? You think vivax is town because he never got more than three votes, was tried to be pushed off of by multiple people and the vote count was a smattering of 2s and 3s? Makes no sense at all. Nah. I think static votes is a bad sign. If mafia wanted to save Vivax then all they have to do is put some votes on Skynx, or me, or n00b (do you think there's any mafia on his train aside from Vivax btw?). And now that n00b's train DID take off, I'm going to look at that sometime this night. n00b's train happened in like five seconds. Not much time to really take it in. | ||
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On April 10 2018 04:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Static votes is a bad sign but without static votes we lynched town sooo?!? Your point? | ||
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On April 10 2018 04:58 Oatsmaster wrote: You are saying shit that doesn't make sense to justify your waffling I don't see how saying "static votes are a sign that Vivax might be town" and n00bking being turbo-lynched are somehow mutually exclusive. That is actually what makes no sense. I don't even know why you're asking me things and expecting me to respond when you earlier said you were 'convinced' I am mafia despite talking with me a bunch. I don't understand. | ||
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On April 10 2018 05:04 Vivax wrote: Either way I think that the votes should point to me being town unless you argue both my teammates were afk while I was at majority. Looking at the votes at first glance, I'm thinking all the viable wagons [Skynx, you, n00b, myself] were town. Which makes rayn/ CH votes suspicious. ExO_'s naked vote on n00bking is obviously bad so I'll await an explanation for that one. Need to look into the Skynx train more. | ||
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Making the assumption that Vivax is town after explicitly stating in the thread that static votes pointed to Vivax being town? Shocking. | ||
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It also wasn't hard to conclude 'all wagons were town' when I already know 2/4 of the wagons were town and think Vivax/ Skynx are town. | ||
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#morehypotheticalWIFOM You're just pointing out that I made a dumb move at deadline regardless of my alignment. Which I said as much already. I get why people think it's weird because I wasn't thinking logically at deadline. I also get why people could plausibly think I am scummy for it. But I couldn't have been playing optimally as 'mafia' either. I can't really offer a better explanation than "I froze, wasn't thinking properly and made a dumb move" If you want to keep calling me mafia, fine, but at least talk about something else because trying to get me to ""explain"" my EOD is not going to work. | ||
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And if you don't believe me, remember that you scum-read me for LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME REASON in HM 3.0. I might just quote my posts from there to save myself some effort. It's quite amusing. | ||
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On April 10 2018 05:41 Holyflare wrote: I think you're partners with currentlyhomeless because there was absolutely 0 reasons not to vote him. If he's town he's a free vote, if he's mafia you can't vote him. If you are town there should be absolutely no qualms of lynching a guy with like 1 page of filter over noobking, especially since you seemed to say we shouldn't lynch people with big filters over smaller ones!! You chose the not to kill him option. Voting exo is terrible afk useless vote and achieves nothing and makes you look bad for voting off wagons at decision time. It makes you look worse for not voting homeless. Voting noobking is voting with your mafia read exo and your original mafia read vivax. Saying vivax is town because the votes are static when vivax wasn't even in the lead anymore is the most cop out read possible. So basically one giant association read? I also disagree that voting for ExO would look bad. But hypotheticals, eh. As for rayn, I don't know if you're expecting a big post in response to that. I thought [at the time!] that Vivax was more likely town due to vote count. Although looking at votes, you are probably correct that my argument sucks since Vivax voted for n00b after Skynx did. | ||
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On April 10 2018 18:57 Eversince wrote: I guess it's to early for people to be playing but oh well. I'm going to summarize: "Reasons to not lynch ES" 1)Claimed. 2)Un CC 3)Contradiction amass all over the place under direct heat. vs my meta I have little time and everyone who has played with me knows it so why I am not just afk at this point? 4)Has openly lied (in the time frames) to try to divert lynches away from me. Why would mafia do ANY of this? GS isn’t guaranteed to be in the game. You’re also extremely self-aware about your contradictions and bungling of the GS role. And you are currently not doing much but adding a shitload of WIFOM to the game. This is really bad given current game state. I will grant that claiming GS is a really weird thing for mafia to do though. | ||
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On April 10 2018 19:03 Eversince wrote: Exactly. Why would I do this as mafia? I'm making as much noise right now as possible. Mafia wouldn't do this. If people are annoyed with me that is ok. I don't want town to burn a lynch on me. Well they would because, as I said, it causes WIFOM about “were you RBed? Why aren’t you dead yet? Are you mafia or just really careless town?” And so forth. You arguing WIFOM and setup in lieu of talking about players is suspicious. And that has nothing to do with claim. Go find mafia. Talk about what you found when rereading. I don’t care just stop talking about blues pls. | ||
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On April 10 2018 19:38 Holyflare wrote: I chose calix So you think the team is Calix/CH/Eversince then? | ||
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On April 10 2018 19:59 Tubesock wrote: Voted Calex. Calex and Skynx are my top scum. Not sure on the third. This would be less offensive if you hadn’t spelled my name wrong lol. | ||
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On April 10 2018 20:05 ExO_ wrote: I think HF is town. His anger after the vote at Calix is something I don't think Mafia would be able to fake that well. I think eversince is telling the truth. A reading mistake like that is exactly the kind of thing that would happen to me. I think he should have to announce who he is passing the gun to in the thread, and have the player he passes it to confirm they receive it. In this case I think he should give it to HF, as I fully believe he's town. If HF doesn't get the gun, we lynch eversince. Last line scummy. | ||
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I am not voting in poll. And people shouldn’t waste time discussing about guns. | ||
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On April 10 2018 20:06 Tubesock wrote: Ouch, I’ve been misspelling it all game! Apologies tru Since I think you are probably town kindly humour me for a moment. Imagine mod comes down and confirms me town. Who do you look into next? | ||
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On April 10 2018 20:12 ExO_ wrote: I think deciding whether or not eversince is really gunsmith is worth the time. And I think your voting at the end of day yesterday was really damn weird. Ending by unvoting at the end makes no sense to me whatsoever. But that is the thing, we cannot confirm GS because if no gun is given, Eversince can claim RBed. Only way we confirm Eversince is if we use investigative role on her really like Watcher. Or if RBer role dies. And there should be one because GS with no RBer would be well OP for town. Anyway this is why Eversince is a giant ball of WIFOM. You should know this already. Yeah it is weird but is it mafia? | ||
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Care to say what you do think then? All I know is you think I am mafia, that CH is my partner and that ES is mafia for claim. Also that you may or may not scum read Vivax, I do not remember what you said about him. | ||
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On April 10 2018 20:21 ExO_ wrote: The more I read your filter Calix the less I like. You have a lot of posts, and it makes me hesitate. However at the end of day yesterday you didn't seem to care at all. A lot of your posts have been heavily argumentative and geared towards upsetting other players and I think distracting them. Post like this: You stop short of calling HF scum here. You say his action is scummy but don't call him scum. Like wtf is that? I'm not sure who else I'd pair you with right now, but you're at the top of my scum list right now. Another thread sentiment read, ExO? Or is this one because I called your post scummy first? My posts have also not been “disruptive” and I don’t understand why you - or Vivax - say they are. Seems overblown to me. | ||
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You even admit you have no other scum reads outside of me. | ||
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On April 10 2018 20:33 ExO_ wrote: Okay so call me scum then -- make a case. You're hesitating on the last part quite a bit. You've been hesitating a lot throughout the game Look at your post history -- you try to get others to join you on things like a wagon on me for example towards EoD, without placing your own vote there. It's almost as if you didn't care who was lynched at the end of day. And quite frankly, your posts have a very negative tone. I'm not sure if this is intentional, but it comes across as very abrasive. Lastly, I think its bullshit to say I'm doing nothing risky. The hell do you want me to do that's risky? What kind of read right now would be risky -- and how does making a "risky" read make me townier? I don't have all day to read the thread, but to say I'm not trying to solve the game is wrong. Your tone seems to have shifted dramatically after being called out. I’ve made my case. Several times. Doesn’t need to be a long case. You accuse me of being disruptive but you’re also not sure if my “abrasiveness” is AI? Internal inconsistency detected. It’s not just what reads you have, it’s how you present/push them. And I don’t get the sense you care all that much about them. Like this post is the most passionate one you have made all game. | ||
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On April 10 2018 20:35 Tubesock wrote: Thunderstorm rolling through so internet is moody. Skynx is too scum for me. CurrentlyHomeless is completely unreadable so we have to figure out how to get rid of him. I think the last mafia would be in Damdred, or Exo. I think I’m pretty confident HF is town. In the next few days I’ll reevaluate Rayn, GB, Oats. There’s always one in my townpile. But I think more votes and night kills help figure that out. HF has stepped up in my opinion. So probably won’t relook at him till d3 when I wonder why he’s alive. What do you think of Exo vs moi? I disagree with Skynx. He seemed genuinely lost to me at EOD. And I think if he was mafia he’d have more of an idea of game state from having mafia buddies. Did you make anything of Damdred posts? I am having a hard time with reads right now. I might throw most of them out and start D2 clear. I might even have to filter dive properly. Because right now I have good odds of being lynched. Most people think I am mafia. But I know I am a ML so have to use info well and can’t slack off. On phone so please excuse shite grammar. | ||
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On April 10 2018 20:41 ExO_ wrote: Rayn shouldn't just be given a pass. I reread page 3 and 4 of his filter -- and he hardly contributed anything. He wanted to lynch me because he disagreed with my reasoning when I entered the thread: I read this post as saying my reasoning never makes sense, and thus he's scum reading me for it. But if my reasoning doesn't ever make sense (aka last game) when I was town, why am I scum for it now? Furthermore he was happy to just park his vote on me and afk, and do nothing else towards EoD. He's said hardly anything sense. I think I Calix/Rayn are two scum. Another reactive read but sure I’ll take baby steps. You are also breaking every IRONY meter within ten metres. You STILL have not explained your afk vote on noob????? Yet you call Rayn mafia for behaviour YOU did! | ||
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On April 10 2018 20:47 ExO_ wrote: My tone has shifted dramatically after being called again -- I disagree, but again does this make me scum? Are you scum reading me or not? I'm not really sure because you aren't calling me scum. You want to call me out for not caring about reads, but you aren't willing to call me scum right now even. AKA you know I'm town and don't want to commit to a scum read on me. wtf do you mean by the AI line? You're being disruptive and your posts are very abrasive. What is hard to understand here, and where does the AI line come from? I don't give a shit about whether or not you agree or disagree with my reads. I'm not a super great player who can read others -- I don't think I've ever found scum day 1. So I'm sorry if I'm not making a case complete with great evidence and reads from past games, I'm not that player. You seem to be far more guilty of not sticking to reads and actually commit to them, than I am. Yes I am calling you mafia lol. If you think I’m intentionally being disruptive then you would naturally conclude my abrasiveness was AI because it would be part of me “disrupting” the chat. You not concluding that or considering that does not follow from your assumption that I am being intentionally disruptive. That’s not what I said at all, lol. I said you haven’t pushed very hard, not that you need to throw out MVP cases. The last line is also blatantly false. | ||
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I don’t remember why you didn’t like GB lemme go check. | ||
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On April 10 2018 21:03 ExO_ wrote: How the hell can you criticize my vote on n00b without reading my filter?!??!?!?!? I saw you place a vote in vote thread without posting in game thread duh. Do you really think I am going to lie about that unnecessarily? Anyway I checked your filter for GB stuff. You called him out fairly early but then later said you “didn’t have scum reads you were confident in” in the post you talked about Damdred. Then you say something about preferring ES to GB/TS. I didn’t get impression you were that skeeved at GB vote as opposed to you maybe sheepish ES or something but it is not entirely implausible your explanation is truthful. | ||
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On April 10 2018 21:12 ExO_ wrote: You saw me place a vote in the vote thread, but didn't place a vote in the game thread: Clear something up for me real quickly. Did you see me in real time place my vote in the vote thread? I don’t remember when I saw your vote lol. I figured you’d come back and say something because an unexplained vote is obviously scummy and obviously looks bad if you get what I mean. | ||
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On April 10 2018 21:13 Tubesock wrote: Lol that’s fair. I think it would be awesome if Exo and Calix (spelled it right! Yay) were in qt and were like “we both may get lynched. Let’s shitfight and Jedi mindtrick folks.” You know, when pretty much EVERY single scum theory people have made with mafia!Calix consists of “SHE IS HARDCORE BUSSING/ BEING HARDCORE BUSSED” then maybe said theories are shite and something is horribly fucked up somewhere | ||
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On April 10 2018 21:18 Holyflare wrote: Can you actually explain the discrepancies calix? Don't think you have. What changed your mind between those two static vote posts? I did. The difference is timing + blind paranoia at EOD. We have argued over similar stuff before and repeating arguments is boring. And also distracts me from reads. It is documented that I do stupid shit at EOD as town. So while being a retard at EOD doesn’t make me town, it’s not out of my town range. You just don’t like the explanation because it’s not “logical” but it is the best one you are getting. Because discussing it is not productive. Obvious trade off is that I look really suspicious and everyone will think I am “bussing” whenever I so much as glare at someone. But I will take it. | ||
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On April 10 2018 21:25 ExO_ wrote: So you admitted earlier you hadn't read my filter. How would you know why I voted n00b without reading my filter? You criticized me for voting n00bking but never read my filter to see why I voted him -- and have tried to use my vote on n00b to say I'm scum. I don't believe you. I don't believe you were waiting for an explanation for my vote on n00b, I believe you're trying to use my vote after the fact on EoD to say I was scum, when I'm not. You're scum Calix Shallow analysis at best. “Trying to use my vote after the fact on EOD to say I was scum” is generic. Can be said about anything. You haven’t really shown why it would come from mafia me over town me. And there is nothing scummy about spotting a vote without a thread post, saying “that looks obviously scummy” post lynch and deciding to wait for a response from you. | ||
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On April 10 2018 21:35 Holyflare wrote: I don't give a shit about your eod. I care about why like a few hours before deadline you say "all these static votes probably makes one mafia" but then you SWITCHED opinion to say it makes everyone town. Why did you alter that opinion? I just told you, I went paranoid because it was much closer to EOD and the votes were still pretty much the same. Yes yes, in retrospect this was dumb because Vivax did evade the lynch, yadda yadda, but at the time that’s what I felt. | ||
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- That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia. Those were the only people GB said he would vote for (and maybe CH if nobody wanted to lynch rayn/ Skynx). So it's one of those "if both rayn/ Skynx are town then why shoot GB now if he was just gonna vote for a mislynch the next day?" kinda thing. I actually think Skynx is more likely to be mafia here, will have to reread his filter. I say this mostly because that rayn post where he basically tells everyone to fuck off after posting his reads felt townie to me. - I agree that Eversince is likely mafia. Way too much time is being spent fucking around with her claim. And way too little is being spent on what she's actually DOING. Has anyone LOOKED at her reads? She was hardly talking about anyone until recently! Is this the reaction you'd expect from a blue role who thought she might be shot? Nah mate, she'd want to, you know, give some confirmed-town reads and try to guide town a little. Instead she clogs up the chat with unnecessary WIFOM and setup fuckery and when she DOES give reads, they look way too hesitant. She doesn't have any real reason to think I'm not mafia, or that my ""absence"" (aka real life) wasn't scum-motivated, yet makes excuses. Like this is why I don't like her reads. They don't look like she's read the chat and made an opinion based on evidence at all. And who posts fewer reads AFTER claiming anyway? It makes no sense for town to do. Makes sense for a mafia who will likely get caught sooner or later though! She's also a great lynch because it removes the role WIFOM. Seriously, that shit took multiple pages to "resolve" and the conclusion was something a toddler could have figured out sooner. Collective stupidity, thy name is this thread. ##vote Eversince - ExO_ is still mafia and I'd happily lynch him if anyone could possibly tolerate me ""bussing"" him, lol. - Damdred and currentlyhomeless are variables. I didn't hate currentlyhomeless's latest posts (it helps that he agrees Eversince is scummy) and have no opinion on Damdred aside from "modkill bait". - You guys are extremely bad for thinking I'm scum with those horrific team combos. Swear down half the thread thinks the point of being mafia is to lynch your team-mates. Anyway I do not know how to argue against dumb bussing theories and pretty much anything I say will be twisted to look like I'm "bussing" or "being bussed" or whatever until I flip town. | ||
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On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why Damdred is not mafia Calix? He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh. | ||
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On April 11 2018 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay so you are just letting him call you mafia if he keeps playing like he does. gotcha,. "playing" - Good joke. Most people are calling me mafia. Doesn't mean they are all mafia. I don't have the luxury of OMGUSing or thinking most of the people pushing me are scummy when everyone wants me dead. | ||
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On April 11 2018 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: So why do you think Damdred voted for you over anyone else when he did? Like i find is super amusing you seem to be thinking i am more likely to be mafia that Damdred is when he drops a seemingly random vote on you and i share basically every scumread with you other than yourself and Damdred. I don't really get why you are reacting like this to me posting some NK musings that boil down to "one of rayn and Skynx might be mafia for this kill and I think Skynx is more likely, otherwise I don't know why GB died". It's perfectly sensible to consider whether your reads are shit after an unexpected night kill happens. | ||
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On April 10 2018 04:28 Skynx wrote: GB pushed my lynch all day, even pulled out a rayn scumread out of nowhere for it. Now thinks im actually town. GB mafia claim. On April 10 2018 23:09 Skynx wrote: Updated town pile: Oats, HF, GB, ES I think GB is town here. I tried to read him like he was mafia but it just didn't fit together. His general attitude and approach to the game is pretty towny imo. + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2018 00:12 GlowingBear wrote: I must say our votecount looks terrible. Here is a list of people that we should be lynching today: 1. Skynx 4. ExO_ 6. Eversince 7. currentlyhomeless 8. Calix 12. Vivax 13.Damdred In order of my preference: Skynx is the best option. He came to the thread, made a very bad case and instead of choosing his most scumread, he voted me because "rayn had a lot of questions to answer". This is not a townie thought process. A town lynches the scummiest and votes the scummiest. Also, he just peaced out of the game. Vivax doesn't sound like Vivax. Not contributive. Not chasing information in thread. Exo sounds so emotionally dettached from the game. Also calling me out without further pursuing me was weird. He isn't really commenting on the hot topics of the thread, but mostly following his own agenda. Calix, I don't know. I can see her changing her POV on rayn and me. But it feels so weird. Especially when rayn attacks her agreeing with me she looked scummy, then she also scumreads him, and then they both drop their scumreads in a flinch. Currentlyhomeless, currentlyuseless. Damdred, he is simply not playing the game and I hate it. This is an alright list (except exo i guess i don't an opinion on him right now). He keeps bringing up why me and Vivax are scum, trying to convince people to actually lynch us. I can see why stuff on Calix makes sense in his world if he's so keen on seeing my case as shit. I also don't think his eod switch would come from mafia when i go back to evaluate it. Just sit on me comfortably right? My case was shit and lots of scumread on me, no one is going to blame him if he just stayed. He's just town. Pretty meh filter otherwise. I vaguely recall town-reading him (?) for some vote stuff at one point, should probably look at EOD again to see whether that holds up. His latest posts are pretty funny where he claims he'll filter the hot topics of ExO, Calix, Vivax after work and then drops off. | ||
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On April 11 2018 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, this is what you literally said. That by definition means you scumread both of us, otherwise you would have used a different worrding. Damdred is jsut something else and not a real scumread. Like i said early in the game "one of Calix and HF is mafia buth not both". That's when you think only one and not both, in your case you can NEVER claim you think one but not both. So stop dodging the question and why am i more scummy than Damdred is? Damdred is what we call "null". I never said he was a 'real scum-read'. I don't know whether it's one or both of you, or even whether I am correct with my assumption that GB died because of his reads. The "I don't know whether it's one or both of you" is why the "or even both" part is in parentheses. | ||
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On April 10 2018 16:38 Eversince wrote: I didn't start with one. I have claimed too early though. Rereading the role pm I can either make or pass a gun per night. So It might still be of use but I'll have to spend tonight making one and then can pass it N2. But I'm probably dead already so r.r. On April 10 2018 18:15 Eversince wrote: I'm not going to stay awake to fight this. Games been over for me for a while. I don't start with a gun. I can craft one. It workes as a single shot vig. I can pass it to the same player repeating. I can either craft the gun or give one (after crafted) as a night action. Hopefully that's reworded enough it counts as not quoting the role pm. I'm going to sleep. Have a nice night friends. Not sure how you missed the discussion that ensued after this happened but here. She later claimed it was bad English comprehension/ a misunderstanding when she got called out. Or something. Then says she did start with one. I don't believe it because the role PM in OP literally has a sentence saying "starts the game with one gun" so how one misunderstands that is beyond me. On April 11 2018 20:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mhmm... so gb dying doeant make aense UNLESS but not really... i see Calix.. i see. Nothing you have said here shows mafia motivation so acting like it's self-evident before dropping the matter without explaining yourself is weird. | ||
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On April 11 2018 20:53 ExO_ wrote: This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is: Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason. I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow. Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2 TFW your scum buddy's in trouble but you don't want to bus so you make up some nonsensical "why would she do X as scum?" WIFOM where the answer is obvious. | ||
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On April 11 2018 20:59 ExO_ wrote: Trying to think here...going off the assumption ES is town. 1) ES announces he’s giving gun to either Calix or Rayn now if scum team sees that what are their options. - Role Block ES so no gun goes out, if there is RB - Kill him and gun goes out but what if Calix or Rayn is on scum team? They’d want that extra shot. So instead of RB him they let the gun go through, and kill either Calix or Rayn. If both Calix or Rayn is mafia they kill someone completely different. So in short I think night actions confirm that there is a mafia RB, or that Calix and Rayn are both scum. That's a lot of words to say "mafia probably have a Roleblocker" fam. | ||
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On April 12 2018 02:08 Skynx wrote: Calix' Vivax scumread progression is super scum. After our early convo together, she disagrees with Vivax on some minor stuff, Vivax explains then she's ok. Following comes up: Again just disagreement over rayn being "coherent" coherent or whatever. Nothing to imply a scumlean even. None of this makes vivax scum. Then proceeds to sheep this: This further evolves into "I want Vivax dead", like out of nowhere? bolded has been discussed before but its super scummy taking into consideration her earlier heavy scumread of vivax. She then proceeds to townread both me and vivax out of tone, leaving noob as her only implied scumread but she doesn't vote??? An impressive number of falsehoods in this post. - That first post was demanding an answer to a question, not making a case. Anyone reading the post would realise this. - I didn't sheep HF's posts. - I didn't scum-read n00b. - I didn't town-read Vivax and you because of tone. Did you actually read my filter or were you hoping nobody would check? Your post doesn't even make sense as a narrative since none of the 'evidence' provided shows anything weird about my Vivax progression. And most of it is based on shit that isn't true at all. Amazing. Saying it's ""super scummy"" multiple times won't make it so. | ||
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On April 12 2018 02:22 Holyflare wrote: Why you just repeating things, Skynx? I suggested the night kill pointed to him first | ||
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On April 12 2018 02:29 Skynx wrote: Where exactly you ever scumread Vivax? After tr'ing me and Vivax, that leaves only n00b as a scumread. You purely townread me for tone. Not gona look for it now but "he seems genuinely lost" something along those lines. If you didn't townread Vivax for tone can you please show why you cleared him? I scum-read Vivax for most of the time in the hours leading up to EOD. And then got stupid paranoid about votes and changed my mind. Again, if you actually read my filter then you would know this already, lol. That was more of a hypothetical point. I didn't literally have a POE with you three. But I can see someone think I scum-read n00b from that. | ||
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On April 12 2018 02:28 Holyflare wrote: Why are you repeatedly dodging vivax posts? I am checking your filters to see for myself. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 11 2018 01:27 Vivax wrote: I'm sort of more laid back today and have more room in my head to consider other options. Basically though there's a bunch of shit I don't like when going through HF which really prevent me from doing that for his case. -.he attacks ES blue claim over some stupid forgetting the RBer argument when the timing in my opinion wasn't scummy at all as claiming for mafia is a last resort and is not something they would dare doing early in the day with few votes on them. The claim read all around fine to me and is something that can be discussed after one or two nights anyway when it's proven or not so the mafia motivation for HF to get a D1 lynch on the gunsmith going is there. On April 11 2018 09:29 Vivax wrote: DOesn't gun smith make a gun every night that only activates the day after? THe way she worded it actually sounds off On April 11 2018 09:31 Vivax wrote: No actually nobody would get a gun on the first but the gunsmith can create one and pass that one on the next night. The fishyness is increasing. On April 11 2018 09:36 Vivax wrote: You can't have had a gun??? Role info from OP says that first you have to make one (phase1) and can pass it on afterwards (phase2). You skipped creating your gun in your version? On April 11 2018 09:44 Vivax wrote: It doesn't confirm you though. If you flip mafia then town!rayn would never receive a gun and neither would mafia rayn. If you are town then mafia rayn can lie about it. On April 11 2018 09:44 Vivax wrote: really strange reasoning there ES On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote: Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum. Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics. On April 11 2018 09:59 Vivax wrote: Noteworthy that Sickkusher jumps the gun here and goes from "Hard game cause HF is mafia fuck must kill HF" to "well I'd rather lynch ES over a mechanics misunderstanding". On April 11 2018 10:01 Vivax wrote: That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action. On April 11 2018 10:25 Vivax wrote: Deep inside I still believe it's a bad idea to lynch her D2 over the devilish holyflare On April 11 2018 10:34 Vivax wrote: That's the feeling I get from it as well. But I could totally understand why anyone would scumread her for them. Tis a difficult case. But idk I just don't get the feeling she's mafia or why she would have claimed so early as mafia. Meh fuck it going with gut here and declaring that I'm not going to vote for that. On April 11 2018 10:37 Vivax wrote: No Oats he has a point cause since the information is in the OP which can be read BY BOTH ALIGNMENTS she would make the mistakes she made no matter her alignment. Cause it doesn't matter what her alignment is if she misreads it either way. So generally skeptical but eventually concludes Eversince would fuck up as both alignments. Then Vivax pops in to say this: On April 11 2018 22:47 Vivax wrote: Voted ES suggest you do the same cause CH isn't mafia. By the way nice catch on ES shoulda found it myself :| I couldn't remember off the top of my head what rayn's 'catch' was so looked for that: + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2018 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: roflmao this actually makes sense. Eversince elaborate please? On April 11 2018 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: So at the same time Eversince does know there were not 2 flips at night but then she doesn't know Glowingbear died. On April 11 2018 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: The only way she would know, without looking at the daypost, that i "didn't shoot anyone" as she claims, is if she didn't actually even try to give me a gun. I don't think it's as scummy as HF makes it out to be. Vivax said he wasn't going to vote Eversince based on the mistakes she made with the GS role. Then currentlyhomeless and rayn point out that Eversince knew there weren't two flips while also claiming to not know who died. That doesn't have anything to do with 'not reading the role card' correctly. Don't see the incongruency because it's not "the exact same reason" really. | ||
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On April 12 2018 03:02 Skynx wrote: I also don't like Exo one bit. His vote looks very bad now. Although I don't think they are ever mafia together with Calix. Think you're the first person who hasn't jumped to WICKED MAD bussing theories. You are scum-reading the townie of the two of us but you at least acknowledge it's not SvS. Baby steps. | ||
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On April 12 2018 03:12 Skynx wrote: I don't think its svs because you brought up most of the points why his vote sucked at the time even before n00b flipped. Hard to bus like that without reason. Alright. May I ask why you still town-read Eversince? As in, why do you not find the point about the NK/ daypost discrepancy to be suspicious? | ||
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On April 12 2018 03:20 Skynx wrote: I agree with i dunno who brought it up that Eversince should just be ignored. After screwing up the claim like that either alignment knows he fucked up and will react like he did. Impossible to reach a conclusion and he's completely untrustworthy whatever he does from now on. What to do with him I'm not really sure though. I'd argue that leaving Eversince alive is extremely risky and will distract town when it comes to scum-reads and making worlds. Because you will always be unsure whether she is legitimate or not. And unless we lynch a Roleblocker then this will not sort itself out. If you think situation is messy now then just think about potential LYLO scenarios. The fact that she's done LESS game-solving since she claimed is also quite damning IMO. Who is your 'POE' for third mafia? | ||
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On April 12 2018 03:24 Holyflare wrote: That's all his posts today. Look at his post accusing me. You mean this part from his wall-post? he attacks ES blue claim over some stupid forgetting the RBer argument when the timing in my opinion wasn't scummy at all as claiming for mafia is a last resort and is not something they would dare doing early in the day with few votes on them. The claim read all around fine to me and is something that can be discussed after one or two nights anyway when it's proven or not so the mafia motivation for HF to get a D1 lynch on the gunsmith going is there. I know you said you were not attacking ES over the RBer thing. But you're going to have to ELI5 since I don't follow how this quote strengthens your argument. | ||
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On April 12 2018 03:30 Holyflare wrote: Vivax says "hf is attacking obvious townies es/rayn/damdred" after es claims she did not have a gun to give out on night one and I questioned the shit out of it. Vivax attacks rayn today, flips read on es and says she is mafia because of a situation where she didn't know her role mechanics. Vivax's reasons to scum read me are fabricated and now he is using the same reasoning he called me out for to put a vote on es. It is true that Vivax scum-reads rayn yet votes for Eversince based on a reason he attributes to rayn. I don't agree that Vivax called ES mafia for role mechanics. As noted earlier, rayn's point which Vivax refers to relates to an information gap with the day-post. Which is a reason you couldn't have used because the day-post stuff happened later. | ||
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On April 12 2018 03:39 Skynx wrote: In meantime I'll vote for you ma'am begging your pardon. Who do you think COULD be third mafia by Process Of Eliminating the people you think are town. | ||
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On April 12 2018 03:54 Holyflare wrote: The whole point last night was that es didn't know gunsmith has a gun n1. The whole point today is that es is mafia because (i don't actually know the reason? That she didn't claim she still had a gun and waffled?) Last night was a better reason and vivax said I was mafia for pushing it. Today is a what reason? I literally quoted the reasons rayn gave in my initial post. | ||
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On April 12 2018 04:02 Skynx wrote: Thx. I'm still yet to have an opinion on Vivax and homeless, tube is also null to me right now, probably one of them (and/or ES). I'll actually just put out what i have atm: HF, Oats, rayn tube, vivax, homeless Damdred, Calix/Exo (tvs) ignore: ES I'll definitely won't lynch into my town pile until 1 mafia is left and/or ES is dead. I've never actually played with scum!hf. scum!oats and scum!rayn fooled me once i think, so there are player capable of pulling off what they did so far as scum but I won't consider that possibility until dire need. Well go get an opinion then P: Or at least on Vivax, because he has posted enough content that you should be able to get some read on him by now. I think Tubesock is more likely town. But there is one weird thing relating to him. And it's that nobody in this game seems to give a fuck that he's playing. Damdred and currentlyhomeless have more people analysing them and this was even when CH was hardly posting. Meanwhile Tubesock takes stances. He asks questions. He's doing stuff. But it seems like most of the thread doesn't feel strongly about him one way or the other. If he was just written off as "obviously town" then this would be fine but that isn't what happened. | ||
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On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote: Hang on. Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too. Huh? | ||
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On April 12 2018 04:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Vivax' switch is absolutely freaking terrible though. I believed in him..... ??? | ||
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Rayn and I just explained why it makes sense though. While I'm here, I have a question. Who the fuck are you even scum-reading right now? Because it sounds like you have way more than three scum-reads. As for town-reads? Nah. | ||
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On April 12 2018 04:19 Skynx wrote: I'll go back to his filter with what i think is good and bad about you guys, I'm yet to do that so thats why. I'll be applying some paint early tomorrow and have the rest of the day off for it to dry so i should be around most of the day leaving me plenty of time to do that. Great...? I'm probably not going to see it. I have to wake up super-early tomorrow and go halfway across the bloody country to London. Fun times. | ||
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On April 12 2018 04:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Es stuff is similar to the night phase stuff, I don't see how one is more convincing than the other, either you think it's all scummy from the start or it's just another mindless mistake. Ever town, tube town, skynx town, vivax is sliddding away but still town for now. Because this actually doesn't relate to her reading the GS role PM incorrectly. For once. No seriously, who ARE you scum-reading? Hipster reads detected with "tube town, skynx town". Pls elaborate. | ||
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On April 12 2018 04:41 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm fairly sure I've said why I think you are scum Don't play stupid. You've talked enough shit about other players that I'm sure you must have more. Who are my supposed team mates? | ||
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On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote: If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear. Okay that makes more sense. | ||
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Calix (4): Oatsmaster, Tubesock, Holyflare, Skynx Eversince (4): currentlyhomeless, Calix, Vivax, raynpelikoneet Holyflare (0): currentlyhomeless (0): Skynx (0): Not Voting (3): ExO_, Eversince, Damdred | ||
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On April 12 2018 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I made this set of posts. I know i didn't "push it" because there was nothing else to say at that time and i was arguing with Calix and homelessdude. Yeah speaking of that, where were you even going with that 'I see, I see' post wrt Damdred? I didn't get it. | ||
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On April 12 2018 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol if mafia is just not voting at the moment Actually possible too, lmao. On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote: This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking. It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time Nobody said she's faking all her mistakes about Gunsmith. I think Oats is the only person who ever suggested Eversince was 'trying to act too bad to be scum' and he doesn't even think that anymore. It's been established that she could fuck up with reading comprehension as any alignment. Get with the times innit. Eversince has played more than one game on TL, lol? Why are you more focused on defending Eversince than finding scum or engaging with your scum reads? | ||
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On April 12 2018 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Youre talking about this. You clearly implied i am (and skynx) more scummy than Damdred is because you literally said "That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia" and Damdred is just something else and not a real scumread . When i confront you about it you say actually you are not sure if i am mafia or even if skynx is mafia which doesn't make any sense to me. So like you first concluded gb kill doesn't make any sense UNLESS skynx or rayn or both are mafia, and now you are not really sure fi rayn or even skynx is mafia when nothing on that front hasn't changed (it's impossible to change tbh because regardless of what we have posted after gb was still the night kill and someone shot him -- and you were ONLY talking about that). The last post was sarcastic because i tried many posts and you managed to never answer my question i asked you in the first place and just backpedalled from your earlier conclusion for imo no apparent reason. I suck at detecting sarcasm unless it's obvious FTR. I still think GB kill is weird as fuck because, as noted previously, he didn't have much thread presence. But I am electing to shelf it for now. Because ExO/ Eversince are openly scumming it up in the thread. It is hard to look past that because of NK analysis. Especially when I only have one kill to analyse. And I will probably be dead before I have to worry too much about NK analysis lol. | ||
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On April 12 2018 05:28 ExO_ wrote: Because I believe ES is town. I didn’t realize ES hadn’t played before on TL, I thought I read this was first time playing on TL. and I mistaken? I’ve never been great at reading scum. Right now I’m suspicious of You, Rayn, Vivax. I think I can definetely see you and Rayn together. What I’m more certain of tho is that HF is town, and ES is town. And I think HF thinks ES is probably scum. So I think its important I try to defend ES since I don’t think ES is scum. Other than that Ill probably be sheeping HF. No she's definitely played games here before. 'I've never been great at reading scum' - I call bullshit on this. I've seen you play before and you were definitely not a wimp when it came to scum-reading people. Your passive tone here is a stark contrast. Also it's obvious you're going to vote for me. I don't know why you're limping into it. It's a close tie between your town-read and your biggest scum-read and YOU'RE STILL ACTING LIKE YOU'RE DECIDING? "probably be sheeping HF" my fucking arse. | ||
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On April 12 2018 05:38 ExO_ wrote: I’m not acting like I’m deciding at all, I will 100% hands down vote you over ES. Where the hell do you come off saying im acting like im deciding? If you're "probably sheeping HF" then that means you're not 100% sure BY DEFINITION. | ||
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On April 12 2018 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you think Damdred is null and there is nothing to say about him why didn't you call bs on this then? The only thing you managed to say about this and the whole post is that "anger seems genuine" which is honestly super weak because it is the most informative post i have made in this game. Because I'm aware other people will disagree that there's nothing to say about him, duh. I personally think giving a read on him is pointless because he is AFK, has explained nothing, etc. But not everyone thinks like me. That's why I don't necessarily think it's weird if anyone else has a read on him. | ||
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On April 12 2018 05:43 ExO_ wrote: Is this helping town in any way? Does this somehow make me scummier? You’re nit picking my wording. Im not sheeping HF if he votes ES, or if something changes my mind. Ergo im probably sheeping HF. The hell are you hoping to accomplish with a post like this? Are the reams of defense posts you're making about ES helping town in any way? It's rich that you're saying that when you are not even scum-hunting lol. | ||
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On April 12 2018 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: So when is the time in your opinion to lynch / start calling afk people mafia to lynch them? LYLO? After game? In Damdred's case, after he gets modkilled most likely Otherwise it depends on game state. Right now, I don't particularly care for a Damdred lynch because I think ExO/ Eversince are mafia. If they suddenly do townie shit then Damdred becomes a good lynch option. If everyone who is active seems like town then he becomes a good lynch option. You get the point. | ||
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On April 12 2018 10:23 Tubesock wrote: HF, you said Calix is mafia and never forget. Can you kill ES tomorrow? Are you that more certain ES is mafia over Calix? “Can you mislynch one more person before we finally kill obvious mafia?” - Translated this post for you. Why kill Eversince tomorrow when you can do it now and NOT ML? :D Anyone on the fence here needs to consider that Eversince is being defended so incredibly hard right now. Despite having worst claim in history. She probably has an important scum role. Meanwhile NOBODY has been defending me. There have been NO comments about how I am “too scummy to be scum” or “just made a mistake”. Nobody has said that my actions are so blatantly bad that mafia would never do it. The people on Eversince train just think she is MORE mafia than I am. But when it’s Eversince she suddenly gets hard defended by Tubesock, ExO, Oats, Skynx to an extent, etc. Seriously look into this when I flip town. | ||
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On phone but will give thoughts quickly. Eversince/ ExO are likely two of the mafia and need to be lynched with fire. CH is probably town on right track here. Not 100% on third. Would think either Damdred or someone who has stayed above suspicion. Tubesock or Oats would fit that profile. Tubesock literally offering to lynch outside of me and ES is really really really scummy in particular. WE HAVE CLOSE VOTES. Always lynch one of us today. (Also nobody CFD please. Lynch Everscum) I am not sure whether all the mafia would go hard on defending Eversince though. Since they will all look awful once I flip town in heavily contested vote. But it is very possible. As for HF, Vivax, I think TvT mostly. Think Rayn likely town too. If they all stay alive then treat their arguments with a grain of salt though. Don’t just believe what they say without checking the facts. | ||
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On April 12 2018 14:05 Tubesock wrote: I am the only person hard defending her. Nice try. Every single post ES made could be used in a case on her. Either not reading, or making really weird conclusions. Every single one. That’s a huge difference between your singular mistake. And the other stuff on you isn’t about “mistakes”. You miss EXO saying he made it his aim to defend ever? I am running out of time so cannot even read your post. But you are scum siding very hard right now. I am town. You are voting me over someone who is not giving many reads and prefers role WIFOM to scum hunting. Very very bad. | ||
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On April 12 2018 14:17 Tubesock wrote: What is “CFD”? Chinese fire drill where you rapidly switch votes onto someone who was not likely a lynch before. | ||
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Anyway I am off. Not claiming role because if I get lynched over scummy AF Eversince then I played bad and deserve lynch, anyway. Break a leg :p | ||
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I think town just loses here. Because I die D3 and then town goes into triple LYLO. So this isn't great. To be perfectly honest with you guys, I do not really want to play. But if I do not then people will be tilted post-flip for not trying harder so I feel obliged to put in some effort. I know that the only viable D2 wagons were town. And I am the only townie who knows this. I'm probably going to look at the Eversince progressions that people had. Mostly because people didn't really 'change' their reads on me. Aside from HF, rayn (I think) putting aside their scum-read on me. Off the top of my head, I remember ExO's reads shifting on ES when I was catching up. I think there is at least one mafia in the people defending Eversince using bad WIFOM. Tubesock is possible. I read his case and all he did was regurgitate points that HF made on N1. ExO probably mafia regardless of Eversince's alignment just because he literally spent most of D2 defending Eversince for bad reasons. Oats looks townie for sticking to his guns and not having retarded read progressions but I need to reread him. I know Skynx posted some reads but I don't recall them so I also have to filter him. | ||
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On April 13 2018 05:02 Vivax wrote: If you are town your only obligation is to push a lynch on HF or there is no recovery from this. It will have my support and possibly CHs. And what you say makes ExO mafia can be applied to a lot of people and they can't all be mafia. I listed most of the people who were defending Eversince at some point. My point on ExO is that defending ExO is the ONLY thing he really did on D2. Well technically he argued with Skynx but I didn't really understand that interaction on first read. The other people I listed at least did some other stuff and didn't make defending Eversince their main gig. Even Tubesock. I am pretty tired so I won't be doing much tonight. But I have some free time at the weekend so I can probably look at your filter and HF filter. Actually looking. With quotes and fact-checking and bells and whistles. | ||
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Just want to ask one thing. Can people who think ExO is town or who do not have ExO in their scum teams explain why he is town? I do not see it. I looked at some of his recent town games and think you guys should too. Because the way he posts and gives scum reads has changed IMO. I know he said he was trying to tunnel less in Classic Mafia but even there his style is not the same. But maybe I am confirmation biasing myself. | ||
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Anyway I am VT. I will have more time over the weekend to look into things. But I will have sparse internet access for the foreseeable future so you are just going to have to deal with me mostly posting in the evening. I mention it a lot to make it really fucking clear that no, I cannot spam the thread like I usually do. ANYWAY it is possible that ExO is legit and that might be why he is posting weirdly. Another point in his favour would be the kills. I am THEORISING that Vivax/ HF/ rayn very likely contain mafia even without ExO claim because none of them are dying. These kills look like status quo shots. Like if I was mafia, I'd only shoot a replacement if I didn't want to upset the current game state. It is possible that ExO is making a strategic fake claim but setup-wise, it makes sense to have a direct investigative role (yes yes, even if GS is 'technically' investigative). Not 100% convinced he's telling the truth - it would make sense for mafia to claim in his spot - but it looks alright at first glance. Don't think Tubesock's claim was that bad although claiming Vet outright was dumb. If he genuinely thought I had softed blue then it would make sense for him to think "hm there are too many blue claims, I'm going to claim" after ExO claimed. | ||
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On April 14 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote: Absolutely amazing wall of text that had a completely nothing conclusion on the two checks. Yes, I've only skimmed the thread. Actual filtering will happen tomorrow. Because it is half ten and I have not even had dinner yet. | ||
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On April 14 2018 06:35 Holyflare wrote: I will never believe this wasn't a blue soft. You're entitled to your wrong conclusion. If you guys are going to lynch me over something this dumb then let me know please so I don't waste my time on this game. | ||
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On April 14 2018 06:37 Holyflare wrote: You've only skimmed the thread but pretty much weighed in on everything that wasn't relevant. How about where you stand with the claims off the top of your head. Snap judgement. I gave my opinion on ExO/ Tubesock? If you're asking about the two checks then I think you would be the mafia on first skim. Because a) rayn's reaction (where he's a bit skeptical and like "well okay but I think HF is town and this claim would be good for mafia so idfk man") seemed townie because he's showing doubt at the right time. You kinda did this too with saying "well your softs don't make sense m8" on ExO but you wanting to lynch outside of the claimed PC/ checks is pretty bad. Like either ExO is telling the truth, in which case rayn should be very likely scum to you, or ExO is full of shit and is mafia. So saying I am somehow the superior lynch for a not-really-a-blue-soft is off from town!HF perspective. Because you have this 1v1 kinda situation where there is definitely mafia somewhere FYPOV and you want to lynch me instead. | ||
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On April 14 2018 06:43 Tubesock wrote: While I know people said you dropped off, but that’s not he primary reason you’re being scummed. It’s your EOD1. Your activity doesn’t matter but starting off active and dropping off is more scum indicative than town. But again, the primary reason isn’t your activity. Great, how's that working out for you? You have never reconsidered - incorrectly and arrogantly, if you are town - and have not deigned to analyse my D2 content so there is zero way for your read to ever progress. Hardly anyone has. It is like I am talking to walls. Feeling like nobody gives a shit about what you are saying usually makes for a dull game. | ||
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On April 14 2018 06:51 Holyflare wrote: There's framer, miller etc. I think lynching outside the claims isn't bad at all. Statistically speaking, the odds of this affecting results are extremely low so using that as an excuse is weak as fuck. | ||
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On April 14 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote: Why is it weak? If there's a framer rayn isn't a bad frame n1 or me n2. Miller is statistically low odds but not unheard of at all. Just because something in a game is improbable doesn't make it bad in the slightest. It's worse to blindly follow probability. It is weak because you have decided to lynch outside of claims unreasonably quickly without properly evaluating the two players. If one were to evaluate the cop claim and the other check and go "well actually I think both are town, we probably just have a mind-fuck cop check somewhere?" or something before voting elsewhere then this would make more sense. Also mafia people who get checked tend to bring up Framer/ Miller/ Godfather/ etc more often than town people do in this situation. Because it gives them a chance of escaping the constraints of a 1v1. Of course, it is POSSIBLE that Framer/ Miller/ Godfather/ whatever fucked with ExO's results. But going "this unlikely scenario could have happened therefore we should leave all the involved parties alive" is not sensible. | ||
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On April 14 2018 07:04 Tubesock wrote: Lol people have been telling me they don’t read any of my posts either. Get over it. I hated your last day 2 post. The rest of your posts were whining that people can’t scum you because of bussing/getting bussed. Not doing towny stuff. "Everyone's been ignoring me for some reason but let me take the piss when you get frustrated at people ignoring you too!" Your 'hatred' of my last D2 post is based on a false assumption and that's a terrible summary of my D2 posts. | ||
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Also lol at you trying to convince me that you're legit when you supposedly think I'm mafia who ""fake-claimed" a soft or some bullshit. I'll make it real clear. I am NEVER going to find you convincing when you're claiming that I'm a better lynch than the literal PC claim or the guy he's claiming is a different alignment to you. FMPOV you are mafia who is trying to get one more ML in before dealing with that awkward 1v1-esque claim. | ||
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On April 14 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote: When did I ever say they were both town? Now THAT is a distinct lack of reading comprehension. No, I am saying that is the only explanation for not voting within the claim scenario that has even a modicum of town motivation behind it. Any other explanation is bullshit by default. Even if I had claimed that you said both were town, you only have yourself to blame for asking for my opinions when I admitted I hadn't properly read the thread On April 14 2018 08:03 Holyflare wrote: I also think it's quite likely you'll lynch me, I'll flip town and then you lynch rayn and the game could theoretically be over if any of those scenarios happened. I think it's a far far better play to find two mafia outside of the claims and let it resolve itself. Yes but you're not doing that, sweetie. Anyhow, much as I'd love to continue talking with the ever-delightful Holyflare, I am leaving to catch my beauty sleep. Lord knows I need it | ||
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On April 14 2018 18:43 Oatsmaster wrote: exos shady af what more do you need to know? Also 3 blue roles is bad balance Then vote ExO wtf. If you think he's lying then he should be 100% mafia to you, lol. I also have no idea what people are smoking. Instead of trying to figure out what alignments HF and rayn (who are like RLY GUD AT SCUM) are, or whether ExO claim makes sense (hint: it does), half the thread's dismissing the checks because of implausible role WIFOM. If HF/ rayn/ ExO actually WERE all town, why would mafia NOT try and vote one of them off? They'd have the perfect excuse. It's almost like there actually is a mafia in those names and they are stalling super-hard right now. Which is why I'm somehow getting lynched despite there being an unresolved cop claim. We have already seen how detrimental Eversince's unresolved claim (with the WIFOM, the mistakes, the implausible scenarios, the gun fuckery WHICH IS STILL A THING) was so anyone who thinks that leaving the cop claim/ checks around is either retarded or mafia. No matter how you spin it, the odds that the checks are legit are considerably higher and no amount of prattle about "Millers" or "Framers" is going to change that. | ||
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LEAVING CLAIMS UNRESOLVED = BAD. USING ROLE WIFOM OVER ANALYSIS = ALSO BAD. | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:05 Holyflare wrote: Calix. There are three claimed blue players in a 13 player game. What roles do you think mafia have? So we have confirmed GS. And then PC and Vet. I don't think the current claimed setup is that bad. And nobody else is claiming blue. RBer, Role Cop, Framer/ Godfather seems alright. I say RC to help with finding the hypothetical three blues. I'm not sure whether Miller would be a thing. Two anti-cop roles against Parity Cop seems like overkill. Which is why I don't find the role hype convincing. Just my two cents. | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:06 Holyflare wrote: You're not even evaluating the cop checks properly at all. You think we should "resolve" it but that means lynching me or rayn and if you lynch me you auto rayn next cycle and if one of those roles do exist you just lose. I think one of you two should be the lynch as it stands, yes. Unless someone drops a case for scum!ExO. But if that results in a ML then you never ever auto next cycle since that would be LYLO. | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote: Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims. 9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason. 5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in: Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats. I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia. Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia? I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it. I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know. | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:15 Holyflare wrote: So resolve the claim arbitrarily and then do analysis on whether the other person is mafia :D The plan is to analyse you guys today and only consider whether role fuckery happened if someone gets MLed :D Because right now I couldn't give two shits about that as a possibility tbh. Role mechanics talk is boring and repetitive. I'm only talking about it because people keep making it a thing. | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote: If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that? In that world, there's always the possibility that you reconsider and end up lynching mafia instead. | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:23 Holyflare wrote: Why analyse us and mislynch when you have a 66-100% chance of finding mafia outside it? What the fuck kind of nonsense are you peddling. You've made the assumption that I'd analyse, have none of my reads change, and then keep voting for you, presumed townie. This is not necessarily the case. But there is no way I am leaving cop stuff unresolved and ripe for MORE WIFOM unless I filter dive and conclude that you're both leprechaun green and there must have just obviously been a false check somewhere. And yeah, I'd obviously look at CH, Skynx, Vivax, Oats, etc, too. I have a lot of stuff to reread. | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:33 Holyflare wrote: Which you keep making excuses for not doing and then making decisions based on bad premises. I'm busy and don't really give a damn about whether I'm lynched or not. But as said before, I am required to put in some effort so that people don't go "omg why didn't she try harder" post-lynch. | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote: If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that? On April 14 2018 19:24 Holyflare wrote: If vivax is stubborn town mule and is shitting up the thread and will only ever vote hf why would mafia kill him? As for rayn...? | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:39 Holyflare wrote: Not scum read n1 likely to be protected n2. Can you name another person on n2 that could be a likely medic save? You've also still not seen my bait a few pages back which is quite worrying for your alignment. I don't have a fucking clue who would have been shot. Someone who actually posted would have been my guess. Had claims not gone down, I would probably not be town-reading anyone right now. | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:45 Holyflare wrote: No town reads, if vivax is town we're pushing town and if the alternative is you and you're town why change the game? You guys are kinda the closest thing we have to the 'leader' players in this game so if the thread is murky, full of suspicious-looking people and the 'town leader' players only seem to be making the problem worse then that points to at least one of you guys being scum. Possibly two if there's some 'shit up the thread' strategy. HF/ rayn/ Vivax would be pretty sick but that's a bit too tinfoil and is incredibly unlikely anyway given cop stuff. | ||
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Although I am going to ask about the gun stuff. Because I also don't understand why rayn can't have a gun. I thought the "we should PL rayn" stuff was dumb (just lynch scum-reads) but I'm not seeing what stops a scum!rayn from having a gun. | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:57 Holyflare wrote: If a gunsmith is roleblocked they get the gun back. Rayn enters the thread and says he doesn't have a gun. He asks Eversince if she has a gun or not to confirm whether she's telling the truth or not. Eversince doesn't reply. If rayn was mafia with a gun why would he come in the thread and lie that he doesn't have a gun when town Eversince can just confirm otherwise. Oh, GS actually gets notified on that? lolme. Well that makes sense then. | ||
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On April 14 2018 20:05 Holyflare wrote: Really wish you'd try harder You mocking me or something? You think I'm mafia and you're not happy that I'm not really trying? | ||
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On April 14 2018 20:10 Tubesock wrote: Yeah. I’d be down for killing Skynx. At least Calix is playing and trying something. ??? Don't you think I am 100% mafia though? lol. | ||
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Anyway the reason I opened Oats' filter was because when I first read, I noticed that Oats seemed to be soft-defending HF quite a lot. I thought this was weird because I didn't recall him ever town-reading HF. So I went and checked. On April 11 2018 06:07 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think HF is mafia, unless you are mafia and he engineered an insanely risky switch. Thinks HF isn't mafia. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2018 09:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Why would scum HF bother switching the vote to you when town!vivax dies without his intervention? On April 11 2018 09:58 Oatsmaster wrote: but he also looks terrible if you flip town and he doesnt die n1?!? Again, totally normal posts since he doesn't think HF is mafia. On April 12 2018 04:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Es stuff is similar to the night phase stuff, I don't see how one is more convincing than the other, either you think it's all scummy from the start or it's just another mindless mistake. Ever town, tube town, skynx town, vivax is sliddding away but still town for now. Doesn't have HF as town here. One could reasonably conclude that he null reads HF. + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2018 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: calix/ch/exo/ why would HF switch off of you if hes mafia?!? On April 13 2018 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote: WHY IS HF MAFIA WHEN HE DIDNT ACTUALLY WANNA LYNCH YOU?!?> On April 13 2018 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote: like i dont understand how you can keep calling HF scum when he does stuff like that On April 13 2018 01:48 Oatsmaster wrote: so hes the strongest scum player on the site, yet he is only townread by like 3 people? On April 13 2018 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: you're kidding right? town hf gets off on people thinking he is town and sheeping him On April 13 2018 02:01 Oatsmaster wrote: just gets really mad people arent listening to him On April 13 2018 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote: I mean, he doesnt care why people are townreading him as any alignment obviously Then makes all these posts (in response to Vivax's scum-read on HF) where he's defending HF but not really defending or town-reading him. When I read it I was like "why are you doing this exactly if you don't really think HF is townie?" I get that a lot of the conversation was him responding to Vivax but even in that context, it's odd that Oats brings up some meta points about how HF plays but still doesn't have a strong opinion of him one way or the other. Nor does he ever use the meta points to talk about how HF's play this game is similar or different compared to his usual town or scum play. On another note, him not voting for ExO despite thinking he's lying is still really really bad. | ||
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But think about it. I'm already being scum-read to hell and back. If I was mafia, the last thing I'm gonna care about is Hopeless reading the thread and picking up on some scum slips that will get me lynched. With this in mind, the Hopeless kill points to someone who hasn't been under much suspicion and who was worried that Hopeless might find something incriminating. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Day 1 Vote count Vivax (0): Eversince (0): Calix (2): Holyflare (1): currentlyhomeless GlowingBear (0): n00bking (4): Skynx (2): Tubesock, Glowingbear, ExO_ (1): Raynpelikoneet (0): currentlyhomeless (2):Holyflare, n00bKing Not Voting (1): Calix Day 2 Vote count Calix (4): Oatsmaster, Tubesock, Eversince (6): currentlyhomeless, Calix, vivax, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, Eversince Holyflare (0): currentlyhomeless (0): Skynx (0): Not Voting (1): Damdred This is what it looks like if you think ExO and Tubesock are telling the truth. Day 1 Vote count Vivax (0): Eversince (0): Calix (2): Holyflare (1): currentlyhomeless GlowingBear (0): n00bking (4): Skynx (2): Tubesock, Glowingbear, ExO_ (1): Raynpelikoneet (0): currentlyhomeless (2):Holyflare, n00bKing Not Voting (1): Calix I don't think CH and HF ever go for some weird double bus here. So unless the scum team is Oats, rayn, one of CH/ HF then Skynx/ Vivax is never TvT. Skynx and Vivax votes actually look WORSE in retrospect than they did on N1. To reiterate, Vivax was the leading wagon and if Skynx hadn't voted for n00b then Vivax would have likely died. I checked Skynx's filter and his EOD was this: - Said he'll sheep Oats or Eversince. Oats was scum-reading me (and Skynx wasn't) while Eversince, as rayn pointed out earlier, had no case on n00b - Squabbled a bit with Vivax, led nowhere because of some misunderstanding - Didn't actually explain why he thought Vivax wasn't mafia - Then sheeped Eversince with this post: On April 10 2018 04:16 Skynx wrote: Currently I'm voting n00bking for 3 reasons 1) Sheep ES. 2) Him scumreading Oats. 3) All the talk about how claim doesn't make ES town and he can be lynched. Mafia making a blind claim when he was so far from danger is actually impossible. - Asked why Vivax thought he looks 'more town' - Claimed GB was 'trying to save n00b'. Smells of bullshit. Skynx didn't have any real reasons to think n00b was mafia. On April 12 2018 04:02 Skynx wrote: Thx. I'm still yet to have an opinion on Vivax and homeless, tube is also null to me right now, probably one of them (and/or ES). I'll actually just put out what i have atm: HF, Oats, rayn tube, vivax, homeless Damdred, Calix/Exo (tvs) ignore: ES Let's not forget that Skynx forgot to put his night kill in his reads list Conclusion: Mafia. As for whether Vivax/ Skynx is TvS or SvS, no idea. I haven't opened Vivax's filter. Well I did but then saw it was 15 pages and went "fuck that". But there is obvious incentive for Skynx to save mafia!Vivax. And the Vivax posts that I actually read are pretty crappy. So I now see why people keep putting those two on a team. | ||
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On April 14 2018 21:55 currentlyhomeless wrote: Skynx if you actually believed calix/exo is tvs then shouldnt you be sure calix is scum now ##vote skynx Oh shit yeah, didn't even notice that. | ||
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On April 14 2018 22:00 Holyflare wrote: I'm almost certain that this list changed to skynx scum reading vivax at some point. Am I wrong? Yeah he wrote a bunch of words about Vivax where he goes 'u is well scum m8' | ||
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On April 12 2018 23:27 Skynx wrote: Vivax can you explain what you've done since n00bking flip?. There is no scumhunting at all. It's like you're living on your own world to make up reasons that fit with whatever you're saying. Hipster reads like this, you throw them away like candies. You townread Damdred for whatever reason while damdy was around in first hours of the game. This is the second mention of Damdred in the filter after calling for damdred to be more active nearly 3 days ago... then you just incliude a random Damdred townread out of nowhere??? Is there a coherent thought process behind your scum pile? Something like "lol does these actually makes sense with eachother" ? I wanna know how you go between these two and now that you're voting ES, who does that clear and why/ on rayn sr: This is pretty much saying "I'm scumreading x, these must be scum team in light of recent events" no reasoning for the scumreads except the bolded. I mean isn't this where you point out whats wrong with nk's and how they relate to rayn being scum? Or perhaps explain the recent events? on clearing homeless: Rest pls look at the exchange, p65-67. I mean homeless just scumreads HF cuz hf tr's ES? I don't see how homeless suddenly gets a 100% read switch like rayn just like that. On me: Have you done a re-read? What makes you think there is a chance of me being scum along with trio above? You've been shouting stuff like this after the flip: I mean if you believe what happens there so blindly, shouldn't that warrant like "skynx locked town" or something? But instead we get "chance of skynx mafia somewhere". Explain pls. On April 12 2018 23:44 Skynx wrote: Actually don't worry. Even without rayn and homeless stuff I believe you fabricated skynx scumlean and damdred townread out of thin air so i think that makes you mafia. | ||
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On April 15 2018 01:10 Skynx wrote: Yeh, my level of care has gone down to zero. Enjoy your lynch, worst town I've seen in a while. Is self-voting the new TL meta now or something? I've seen it quite a bit in recent games. | ||
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On April 15 2018 02:52 Vivax wrote: Although looking at the wagons calix + hf + ch could make sense here. lmao | ||
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On April 15 2018 03:01 Vivax wrote: It isn't such a funny thing to think. CH was flailing for a counterwagon and he gladly jumped on SKynx now. HIs read on you is pretty much undeveloped. All three of you don't care there is a cop check. HF seems to suspect rayn but doesn't do anything about it instead he prefers to follow CH onto skynx. I don't even know how this retarded argument is in the room -> Cause Skynx has been voting HF all day. I do care about the cop checks. I just think Skynx forgetting to add the night kill to his reads list and changing his GB read from scum to town before he died is incredibly damning. What does Skynx voting for HF have to do with the Calix/ ExO thing? | ||
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On April 15 2018 03:06 Vivax wrote: Then you shouldn't be sure calix is scum now? is what he says when skynx has been voting HF so it's an outlandish thing to think his primary scumread is you. And the forgetting to add NK is something that happened to ES so you have an in game example of it not making people mafia and you're still using that? It's a good point. He hadn't said that HF and I are on a mafia team. A town player doing X scummy thing is not a valid reason to excuse another player when they also do X. Not only did he forget about the night kill (before it happened) but he changed his read of GB from scum to town. How likely is it that you forget about a player you used to scum read and who you go on to town read? And that's the only player he forgot about and that player was the kill. Way too fishy to be a coincidence. It's not the same thing as Eversince. This shows he knows things before he should. | ||
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On April 15 2018 03:10 Vivax wrote: And I scumread Oats and CH both for bending the facts they based their HF reads upon. You got any particular examples for that? | ||
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On April 15 2018 04:36 Oatsmaster wrote: whats the conclusion here and why isnt it "oats is mafia"? What a ridiculous response. Vivax just called you a bunch of things that mafia does and uses language that heavily implies a mafia read, 'pretending to care' and 'Oats wouldn't keep getting away' being two examples. You also haven't refuted any of his points. | ||
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I'm starting to waffle with that group again. There has to be mafia or two in there. Which is why I want Vivax to talk about them mostly. And much as I'd like to go for the obvious answer and say the mafia is Vivax, I'm really not sure. He's way too abrasive and doesn't care if he pisses off the entire thread. Don't really get the vibe that he's defending a mafia buddy either. He's not trying hard enough to be persuasive. Damn it, now I'm having the opposite problem to the one I had earlier. I have reasons to think all four players could be town -.- | ||
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Anyhow since hardly anyone is actually explaining themselves, preferring to whine in lieu of doing anything, guess I will just have to Do It Myself. So I’ll go filter HF sometime this morning. I don’t really think he’s scum. Had quite a few moments where he said stuff I could relate to. But no sense in not covering your bases in case the super emotional antagonistic unhelpful people are all scrub townies. I’ll look at Rayn too but since all the unhelpful people want HF’s head he goes first. And given how game state is right now I am not going to get lazy and go “oh it is SvS” and leave it at that. It probably isn’t. If it was SvS then I’d expect more pushes towards a third wagon. Like me! But nobody is trying to do that. | ||
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rayn/ Skynx would make more sense. Maybe Oats as a third there. Also this is tinfoil but HF talking about how 'there's two mafia outside the claims' just gets me to wondering if HF/ rayn is SvS and one of them is Godfather and HF is pushing the idea because the chance of hitting mafia outside the claim is actually lower. That would be hilarious | ||
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On April 15 2018 17:57 Holyflare wrote: I also didn't say 2 Mafia. I said there could be 2-3. You said 2 mafia like twice and only mentioned the possibility of '66-100% chance of mafia outside of claims' once which is why I didn't recall it. Also currently on your D2 and not really seeing the mafia so far. | ||
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On April 15 2018 18:04 Holyflare wrote: it's probably because I'm blatantly not mafia Gotta make sure though. Because if it's not you then it almost has to be rayn and then mafia team is Skynx/ rayn/ Oats. Because Vivax, while being a pain in the neck, doesn't seem to be pushing a mafia agenda. Or if he is, he's doing a really shite job at it. And nobody's said anything convincing for mafia!CH. | ||
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I see pretty much nothing voting-wise which would contradict this world. rayn basically called Skynx the Town Tard but hasn't interacted much with Oats/ Skynx. Skynx had that weird 'rayn and GB are scum but rayn's under fire so I'll vote for GB' post. Scum-reads rayn early on but then drops it abruptly. He probably wasn't meaning to 'save' Vivax because Skynx had dropped his rayn/ GB scum-reads by EOD and was probably just looking for somewhere to vote. + Show Spoiler [Some posts relating to rayn and Oats] + On April 10 2018 23:09 Skynx wrote: Updated town pile: Oats, HF, GB, ES HF is on equal grounds with Oats right now, came out guns blazing out of his earlygame trolling. Constantly pushing people and reading his stuff kinda makes sense right now. As long as he's playing like this I'm not lynching him. I think GB is town here. I tried to read him like he was mafia but it just didn't fit together. His general attitude and approach to the game is pretty towny imo. + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2018 00:12 GlowingBear wrote: I must say our votecount looks terrible. Here is a list of people that we should be lynching today: 1. Skynx 4. ExO_ 6. Eversince 7. currentlyhomeless 8. Calix 12. Vivax 13.Damdred In order of my preference: Skynx is the best option. He came to the thread, made a very bad case and instead of choosing his most scumread, he voted me because "rayn had a lot of questions to answer". This is not a townie thought process. A town lynches the scummiest and votes the scummiest. Also, he just peaced out of the game. Vivax doesn't sound like Vivax. Not contributive. Not chasing information in thread. Exo sounds so emotionally dettached from the game. Also calling me out without further pursuing me was weird. He isn't really commenting on the hot topics of the thread, but mostly following his own agenda. Calix, I don't know. I can see her changing her POV on rayn and me. But it feels so weird. Especially when rayn attacks her agreeing with me she looked scummy, then she also scumreads him, and then they both drop their scumreads in a flinch. Currentlyhomeless, currentlyuseless. Damdred, he is simply not playing the game and I hate it. This is an alright list (except exo i guess i don't an opinion on him right now). He keeps bringing up why me and Vivax are scum, trying to convince people to actually lynch us. I can see why stuff on Calix makes sense in his world if he's so keen on seeing my case as shit. I also don't think his eod switch would come from mafia when i go back to evaluate it. Just sit on me comfortably right? My case was shit and lots of scumread on me, no one is going to blame him if he just stayed. He's just town. ES i guess we just have to believe his claim for now. His paranoia and stress can be faked (well not faked but if i actually claimed and fucked up like that thats the only move left to do) but I find it genuine. Plus yeah claiming there is really bad if you're mafia. And i liked his defence of me against Tube before he claimed. On April 10 2018 23:14 Skynx wrote: I'd like to put rayn in there aswell but I think he kinda fell off last 12hours of yesterday. His earlier stuff on me i liked, such as bringing up the last game where i did something similar, felt like that was impossible to come from mafia unless someone else brought it up. However, him switching back to ES when claim is uncc'd felt very odd to me, when he had other scumreds such as Exo. His Vivax townread is mostly based on meta which i don't like as he seems to be using pure meta reads as a front against others. On April 12 2018 04:02 Skynx wrote: Thx. I'm still yet to have an opinion on Vivax and homeless, tube is also null to me right now, probably one of them (and/or ES). I'll actually just put out what i have atm: HF, Oats, rayn tube, vivax, homeless Damdred, Calix/Exo (tvs) ignore: ES I'll definitely won't lynch into my town pile until 1 mafia is left and/or ES is dead. I've never actually played with scum!hf. scum!oats and scum!rayn fooled me once i think, so there are player capable of pulling off what they did so far as scum but I won't consider that possibility until dire need. "I won't lynch into my town pile (which I put my scum buddies in, aren't I clever?) until there's only one mafia left or ES, the person I don't want to lynch, dies. But everyone in my town pile is LIKE RLY GUD and could TOTES BE SCUM but I'm just going to put off that possibility for reasons." Dunno why Skynx goes full retard and votes himself here, thus putting him ahead of his scum-read HF. But whatever. He has self-voted before as mafia. It was in NSM XXIV and I was also in that game. As for Oats, he's been pushing pretty much nothing but townies in this world. Almost never discusses Skynx aside from a throwaway town-read (???) and calls rayn 'nullish scum' at one point but doesn't really go anywhere with that. Yeah, this works. tl;dr: I have found a world which DOESN'T require absurd levels of bussing to work. I win! | ||
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On April 16 2018 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: The voting from D1 suggests that A team of Calix / Vivax / Exo is definitely possible. Thw voting form D2 however does not suggest Exo and Calix are both mafia. Now i don't know how possible it is that Exo realizes Calix isn't going to be lynched after all, maybe he could, considering Damdred is not voting and assumed to come back, and because it is assumed Eversince wouldn't be staying on herself until the end. Actually it is probably as likely as that they are not mafia together. Calix/ Vivax/ ExO could be a thing based on D1 but D2 suggests Calix/ ExO aren't mafia together. Rest of this paragraph is nonsense. The reason i am talking about this is because of this wagon that happened yesterday: There is always, always mafia here. And Tubesock is not mafia. I can never ever understand why these people chose not to vote for Eversince yesterday. tubesock's role suggests that his vote makes sense. Exo's vote however doesn't. If there is a gunsmith in the game a parity cop should be extremely vary of the claim espoecially considering all the things that happened regarding the claim. There was never any reason to townread Eversince after she forgot GB died, never. So all these votes imply TMI. Tubesock's TMI i understand completely since gunsmith is technically a KP role and he is most likely anti-KP, his actions make sense. Exo's TMI or "TMI" as per his assumed role should lead him to the opposite conclusion. Oats and Skynx i don't even know... There's always a mafia in the people voting for Calix [Oats, Tube, ExO, Skynx] + some nonsense about roles. Who gives a shit? There's nothing stopping Parity Cop and Gunsmith from being a thing. Like this is either "town can't be this dumb so i vote for my scumbuddy and assume them not get lynched" or just plain out fear to vote for someone you know to be town power role. The second option is in my opinion more likely and i think it makes Calix look a bit more townie. But then again her eod1 was horrible and makes not any sense at all so idk. D2 votes point to town!Calix but actually no because her D1 was bad. Inconclusive as fuck. I think Holyflare's case on Skynx is good. I can't find any reason for town Skynx to do what he does here. Regarding other people as well i am gonna say this. The people in this pool; Skynx, Exo, Vivax, Calix, Eversince. If you are town you are the reason i am i cannot possibly scumread Holyflare in this game. The other reason is the last town game i played in and tried to think with the mindset "people being irrational and doing stupid stuff isn't necessarily mafia" made me facepalm after the game because i ended up thinking Holyflare is mafia for pushing (all the correct) people for the opposite of this reasoning. I won't do it again and if Holyflare is mafia in this game then you all failed by being extremely illogical at times. What's sad about this is that at least, with Eversince, at least two of those people have to be town. "I'm sheeping HF's points on Skynx. Now let me regale you with some exciting and completely irrelevant nonsense about how all the super-illogical people are making HF look really townie in comparison. There's no reason for you to give a shit that this paragraph exists." So yeah, especially Exo here, if he is town he should probably think to himself why do the two people one of which he has "red checked" don't wanna lynch each other. Newsflash, it's your fault, because you're just scummy as fuck, or plain out scum. Your posts don't make sense, your reads are based on shady reasoning, your votes are based on shady reasoning, and you made a retarded connection theory at the start of the game, one that noone should ever make as town because either you don't have all the information or if you do you should know there is absolutely nothing that backs up your thought process. Either way, we always end up with there is nothing to back up your thought process. "ExO sucks at the game. By the way I scum-read this dude. But instead of persuading people to vote for ExO, I'll just call him shit." I also find it sad people are saying my D1 was weak. Because it wasn't. Idk, maybe it's my fault for not "pushing Exo harder" since noone seems to be understanding why the original read on GB/me was so fucking full of shit, so i am sorry for that, i simply just didn't have enough time. Some defense stuff. Someone was also saying i read people based on meta and only meta. that's wrong. I read certain people based on meta because if i try to read them by their content i will always end up thinking they are mafia and i know i can aswell go wrong on them than not. Those people are, and have been Skynx, Vivax and Oatsmaster. If i try to logically think / argue they are mafia or town i will always end up thinking they are mafia because that's always the correct answer logically speaking. Yes, it is. You can argue that "ofc if you're mafia with those people you can use it as a reason to not read them" which is correct, but the fact is i can't be mafia with all of them even if i was mafia. Does any of you understand that if i was mafia, in the pool of those people there is always at least one townie and i could easily create "content" by pointing out the flaws in logic there á la Holyflare style, and look good doing so? "I use meta reads because Skynx, Oats, Vivax are so illogical that I'd scum-read them every game using logic." Also what the actual Christ is that last sentence. Literally nobody was accusing you of that nor did anyone give a shit??? I think the people who scumread Holyflare are dumb, and if the reasoning is anything other than "one of him and rayn is mafia and rayn looks better" it is dumb. To be honest i am almost willing to lynchy myself over Holyflare since maybe then he can see why Exo is very very very likely to be mafia and not waffle around with some other lynches. Or i end up facepalming again if he is in fact mafia... "I'm going to follow in Skynx's footsteps and martyr needlessly but not really instead of convincing people to lynch ExO." Well okay, Skynx isn't a bad lynch, neither is Calix. Maybe they are even both mafia. I genuinely don't understand why Skynx would feel the need to rage over his top 3 mafia having a wagon on him and martyr. That just seems super fucking fake. Waffling. Calix and Vivax. Mehhhhhhh... Now i really hate Eversince fucked up majorly, even more than before. It is true that Calix' D3 looks better than before but still, i can't get over the eod1 shit and i would have probably voted for Calix D2 if there wasn't the eversince stuff. I honestly don't jsut care about Vivax anymore. Whatever. I am tired of trying to argue with him when his arguments are driven by who calls him scum at times and then he wants to atalk about something but it is only him talking and not listening. It is terrible if he is town. "I'm going to pretend Calix isn't pissing town all over the thread when almost everyone else has concluded this by now." Oats could actually be mafia. I don't have any specific reason because this is pretty much how his town play looks like, and as i said he is usually much funnier to play with when he is scum because he is actually doing something that makes sense and actaully discussing shit. But if there are two townies in Skynx/Calix/Vivax/Exo, Oats is definitely mafia. Just because he isn't calling me mafia enough, as that's what he does as town and not so much as mafia as he cannot actually find reasons for me to be mafia since he can somewhat read me lol. "Oats can be mafia now that people are talking about him. I'll write a whole paragraph about him that doesn't really say anything and contributes nothing." Out of the lynch options, i think: Skynx is the best lynch. Calix is maybe not mafia Holyflare is not mafia. Exo is my preferred lynch but i am going to vote for Skynx out of those three if for some reason Exo isn't an option. Actually there is another reason for Skynx to be mafia but it's bad so i don't wanna say that outloud. You can maybe find it by looking at the voting thread D1 around the time i voted for Exo and compare it to my posts on D1. WHY ARE YOU NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE US TO KILL EXO? He's your main scum-read wtf. And how did you write such a long post and not mention currentlyhomeless ONCE? Impressive. But for real, this post was way too aimless, fluffy, talked too much about irrelevant stuff, whatever you want to call it. And it's quite forgettable despite being the biggest wall-post this game. | ||
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On April 16 2018 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah kill me then i dont care Is anyone actually going to play mafia or are they just going to post "fuck this I don't care" and nothing else whenever someone accuses them? It's a wee bit annoying. | ||
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On April 16 2018 02:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Calix you are by definition nonsensical by yourself based on D1 when you can't even follow your own fucking principles so you even coming in and having nerve telling me i am saying one thing and doing something else is fucked up as fuck. Go away. Appeal to Hypocrisy thy name is this post. Just because I was inconsistent doesn't mitigate your own inconsistency. Or whatever it is you're saying here. You actually going to do anything other than insult people for not being hyper-logical robots? lol | ||
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On April 16 2018 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also this will be the last mafia game i play here, promise. Nice playing with you. See you next game. | ||
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On April 16 2018 02:54 Skynx wrote: Hard claiming Donald Trump. I win with town. Used my 1-shot power last night. It read as "for next 48 hours everyone will have tin foils forced on their skull and have their vision clouded. Complete and utter witblock, no one will be making any sense whatsoever and HF the mafia will be victorious once more." Additionally, HF also has the ability to make everyone rage-quit whenever someone calls that person mafia. It's definitely not a conscious choice on behalf of the player being scum-read, not at all, good sir. | ||
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Lovely to see you've got your eye appointment booked for this week since you're clearly blind to my townieness How's the boat going? | ||
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On April 16 2018 03:00 Skynx wrote: Pretty good, no more sanding after tuesday hopefully. Nice to hear things are going well on that front | ||
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On April 16 2018 03:03 Vivax wrote: Good shit guys headed straight for the martyring townie. He has only martyred as scum before, lol? Skynx is welcome to correct me if he actually has a town game where he did this shit but this is well within his scum range, my friend. | ||
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On April 16 2018 03:03 Vivax wrote: Looks like you have arrived at the solution, wanna vote any of them? What happened to your CH scum read? | ||
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The ATE is really weak here, Skynx. | ||
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On April 16 2018 03:05 Vivax wrote: Vanished yesterday when he was like yo let's do vivax after this. Pretty sure you still called him mafia after that post though. But whatever. | ||
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On April 16 2018 03:13 Skynx wrote: I don't have the consent of my teammates. Cannot tell whether sarcasm or not. I guess we will find out soon enough. | ||
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On April 16 2018 03:47 Skynx wrote: Yeh what a walkover. I won't even be mad if you're somehow town lol. Let's all just blame the weekend start #lynchthehosts | ||
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The irony is strong in this post. I wouldn't say anyone has played particularly well this game, town or otherwise. | ||
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On April 16 2018 03:52 Skynx wrote: Let me point out once more that at least 2 town other than me are killing someone else when there is an uncc'd different check and one of them is HF. Then vote for rayn, lol. | ||
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On April 16 2018 03:56 Skynx wrote: I don't need to say anything lol you have a redcheck on you. The six votes on you say otherwise with regards to the first part, friend. | ||
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If he's mafia then he is running marathons around your bitch arses. Embarrassing! | ||
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And you keep posting so you must still care somewhat ;p | ||
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On April 16 2018 04:06 Skynx wrote: Hey calix and HF, look at all the town members caring so much by being here... I dunno what point you're trying to prove here You keep saying you don't give a damn about the game yet you keep making emo posts instead of just going "well guess I'm dead" and doing something else. I am not really 'doing' anything here since you're the lynch by a long shot and you're not spewing yourself as town. | ||
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But if that's the game we have then we're well fucked lol. So not gonna sweat it. | ||
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Which would result in the following worlds being possible: + Show Spoiler + CH, Vivax, HF CH, Vivax, rayn CH, Vivax, Oats CH, HF, rayn CH, HF, Oats CH, rayn, Oats Vivax, HF, rayn Vivax, HF, Oats Vivax, rayn, Oats HF, rayn, Oats So not that many to choose from unless I missed out any. If the blues do contain mafia then GG. | ||
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On April 16 2018 12:39 currentlyhomeless wrote: yes the only non mafia in this game are me tube and rayn or maybe the jole is we are all town and there are no mafia at all. every night one person just randomly gets killed and in the end ff was just trollign us all along this explains why we lynch obvious scum and they fucking flip green Second part is relatable :p Anyway I haven’t seen much to change my reads and I don’t think anyone is in the mood to work with others regardless. Town is just yelling at each other, trying to pin the blame for the “shit game guise” and promoting a poor atmosphere while accusing each other of being the cause. I think it’s reasonable to conclude that everyone made some mistakes this game. But most people are too emotionally invested in the game to admit that right now so I don’t know if I can change much. So I’m just going to be around, not worrying too much about what happens, asking off topic questions and lynching one of Rayn/Oats tomorrow. | ||
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On April 16 2018 17:40 currentlyhomeless wrote: rayn’s wall of text has some weird shit in it but actually i think it makes more sense if he is town than if he is scum. the weirdest shit in there are the exo and calix reads. i have a hard time believing scum would write that shit. exo is playing shitty but theres no way a scum wiuld come in eod and claim exo is scum here imo. thats too ballsy. the simpler explanation is that rayn is town and omgusing exo a bit too hard since he was complaining about exo and vivax reading him incorrectly before the self lynch shit and the reaction after i also dont think scum would post. really though the real reason rayn cant be scum here is because of the way the gun fallout occurred. like there is literally 0 reason rayn would as scum try to confirm whether ever was telling the truth, then proceed to explain to everyone else why ever was scummy. given these same actions also proved he doesnt have a gun, assuming the game doesnt end tn (ie we havent already lost) then it becomes further very unlikely he was scum because that means scum rbed ever. if rayn was scum when the only indication was that ever woild give the gun to rayn, scum would not have rbed ever. moving on, actually the scummiest posts in recency are yours Calix. posting right before flip that you think skynx might be town? posting right after flip with no emotion and throwing in a line about “if mafia doesnt shoot me”? i see what you did there. theres no way you would die tn even if you are town, everybody fucking knows that rayn is a pretty easy target tmrw but given that hes basically confirmed town that makes you scum Defending a scum buddy? You didn’t use the “too bad to be scum” argument with Skynx or Ever so why does Rayn suddenly get a pass? Lol. Nothing you said actually makes him town, let alone confirmed town. I am not buying role WIFOM as a reason to read anyone. And there is no way that someone looks at Rayn’s recent posts and conclude “super townie” like ever. | ||
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On April 16 2018 17:52 currentlyhomeless wrote: wtf does this even mean you like easy targets dont you I’ve been voting the same people as you the past two days pretty sure. And I’m saying that if his post is super townie then he isn’t an easy target because all you do is explain how he is super townie and voila, everyone will be convinced. Only your reasoning is absolute crap and shows you’re bullshitting. Because that post was terrible. | ||
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On April 16 2018 17:55 currentlyhomeless wrote: anyone reading this exchange who doubts whether calix is scum please tell me where i called rayn too bad to be scum Your opening lines? Technically “too weird to be scum” but my point stands that your defense of the post is bad. To give an example, you say that “scum wouldn’t post the self lynch stuff” (why didn’t you say this for Skynx when he literally self voted?) when Rayn had no votes and Skynx had like 5. So it’s a really easy thing for scum to say. And he would scum read ExO because that’s been his scum read since SOD3 so why wouldn’t he continue that read? Writing on phone is hard lemme find a computer | ||
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On April 16 2018 17:57 currentlyhomeless wrote: yeah you fucking sheeped me. what does voting the same people have to do with having good reads his post is super townie to me. obviously scum would not understand that. which is great cause you outed yourself nice projection tho You said I liked the 'easy targets' which makes no sense since we've been voting for the same people, lol. So you basically said you also voted for the easy targets. So HF, ExO and I are the mafia team? Because we ALL hated that post and nobody else thinks it's townie at all. Because it isn't. It's a pile of aimless nonsense and you defending it this hard and attacking me = showing face. Dunno why you think I am getting MLed though. You'd have better luck pushing HF. | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:10 Holyflare wrote: Speak for yourself. All I've done is try only to have people whine that they don't want to. Cheer up. CH just scum-claimed | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:10 currentlyhomeless wrote: theres a huge difference between self voting when you are already dead and claiming youll kill yourself to make a point when youre not in any danger of dying skynx voting himself is completely null because he was already fucking dead. mafia bus each other and disappear from the thread when they are about to die too just like skynx disappeared. why would any scum invite attention to tjemselves by saying they will self lynch to prove a point when they have no votes on them as for the continuation of the exo read, he did continue his read??? you claim im writing bs but you just wrote something that fucking proves my point Uh no. Skynx voted for himself and PUT HIMSELF AHEAD OF HOLYFLARE as of voting. You are just making shit up, fam. You said you didn't get why mafia would "come in at EOD and say ExO is scum" and I answered by saying he was already reading ExO as scum so him coming in and making zero progression in his read is easy as fuck for a mafia to do. You looked at something that doesn't mean much for his alignment and concluded it makes him town. Agenda driving at its finest. | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:17 currentlyhomeless wrote: holy fuck this is so disingenious we most definitely didnt vote the same people d1, because on d1 iirc i was trying to kill hf and no one wanted to kill hf cause hf is a bad d1 lynch or whatever other bs. d2 you sheeped me onto ever. sheeping doesnt require effort and i had a solid case on ever. i would lynch ever again in the same spot for the same reasons. d3 hf was probably the easiest target at the beginning but when people statted finding you scummy you managed to slip out of it and voted on the wagon with skynx. for someone who talked about static voting earlier your votes are pretty fucking static themselves. just more projection huh I literally clarified earlier that we voted for the same people 'on D2 and D3'. Nice reading comprehension. I did vote for Eversince because of a point you made, correct. However I was the person that filter-dived Skynx, spotted the GB thing and then voted in quick succession with you and HF. Way to downplay my involvement there. That last line makes zero sense as a point for me being scum or as a witty jab. | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:22 currentlyhomeless wrote: more bs at the time he has 3 votes and he self votes making it 4 even if it gives him the lead to me i thought if hes scum he knows hes dead. as soon as people started leaving hf and voting skynx i was pretty sure i had a solid case on him. if i thiught that then i figured scum knew he was dead too. so why would i fucking change my read at that point knowinf that he flipped town doesnt fucking change that because at the time i didnt know he would flip town So you admit I'm right but shift the goalposts from "Skynx self-voted when he was already dead" (which I disproved and your rebuttal is still incorrect since mafia could have lynched into the checks/ cop instead) to "Skynx self-voting wouldn't make me change my read" (nobody said you should have changed your read so this is just a diversion). | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:26 Holyflare wrote: I really have no idea what you guys are arguing about. Rayn's post was bad and you should feel bad for liking it. Trying to confirm a blue doesn't make him town and is well within his scum read. I called CH's post scummy for the horrible rayn defense and we are now saber-rattling. I call it saber-rattling because he's mafia and I'm countering the bullshit he's saying for fun. Also so people know that he's mafia. But mostly for fun. | ||
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I can agree to stop though since HF didn't have a clue what we were on about. | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:39 currentlyhomeless wrote: and yeah sure mafia could lynch into the cop claim. what kind of bs statement is that, no one wanted to lynch exo except rayn and hf So two of your town-reads + three mafia = five votes when nine people were alive, and then you say ExO couldn't have been lynched in this nonsensical world you're building here?????? REALLY? | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:49 currentlyhomeless wrote: sure. me tube and rayn are confirmed. exo is 70% town. that leaves you, oats, vivax, hf. of those players you are 100% scum and the others are equally likely at this point. Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Rayn is not confirmed at all and I'm not mafia, let alone "100% scum". I'm noting that you have not tried to find a world that makes sense. Probably because a world with Calix/ Vivax/ HF or Calix/ Oats/ Vivax or Calix/ Oats/ HF or whatever falls apart like a house of cards. | ||
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On April 16 2018 19:10 currentlyhomeless wrote: actually all of those scum teams make sense esp due to the d2 vote, someone was probably bussing Calix d2 cause scum almost never 100% aligns their votes in a 2 wagon scenario. since skynx flipped and tube & exo are prob town that means oats is likely to be scum. exo is 70% cause if he is still alive on d5 it was probably a fake claim. so that will resolve itself since if he’s alive d4 hes more likely to be scum but he’s not the most likely. assuming exo is town the real question is whether its vivax or hf who is the last one. simplest answer is its HF and vivax is just not able to read but vivax has been playing antitown all fucking game. anyway i’ll be dead before we have to make a decision on hf & vivax and i guarantee they will still be alive d5/d6 since there is no way scum will shoot the townie among the two before then in the offchance that scum didnt bus calix at all d2 then the team is calix & vivax & hf and we probably lost although calix & vivax & hf would push oats here since that would be a perfect win and the ballsy scum approach would have already worked so far. but anyway tube rayn exo who do you think is the best lynch tomorrow Now that I've actually thought about night kills, I think ExO is most likely to die tonight. Or else there's some shit going down with this game tbh. Nah. Calix/ Vivax means I tried to lynch mafia at EOD1 before botching the bus for ???reasons???. Calix and Oats is not a thing since Oats would have thrown away his vote by voting for me every single day without trying to vote for a 'mislynch' once iirc. Calix/ HF is the only one I can actually see someone observing the game going "that could work" since we agree on a lot of things. But it's still not that logical and if I don't make sense with anyone else then it doesn't matter. I am ride-or-die with town!Vivax at this point so FMPOV there are only four worlds that can make sense. And since I'm fairly sure HF is town because of lots of mind-melding stuff, that just leaves you/ rayn/ Oats. | ||
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On April 16 2018 19:23 ExO_ wrote: HF or Rayn, b/c one of them is scum Who do you think could be scum with them? | ||
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On April 16 2018 20:04 ExO_ wrote: Rayn/CH if gf in game HF, if not, oats. lynching outside of HF/Rayn is silly. If we lynched one today and it was wrong, we’d come into today with a guaranteed scum lynch. Instead we’re in lylo....or you guys will be. Wait, I'm not sure which names go with which mafia player possibility. Formatting unclear. Also if you are not shot tonight then you will get your wish tomorrow. Because town all has to vote together and you will never vote for anyone outside of those two. | ||
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On April 16 2018 20:08 Tubesock wrote: I’m most likely voting Oats tomorrow. I don’t know about the rest. I think CH and Calix are town. Vivax too. And HF. Bleh. You still think CH is town for the mind-melding stuff, right? What did you make of his latest posts? | ||
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On April 16 2018 20:16 Tubesock wrote: Not mind melding really. He set up a play that in theory would force a scum rayn with a gun to shoot because we were going to lynch him the next day. I don’t actually think even if scum rayn had the gun that he would use it unless it was game ending as he would be scum claiming if there were two kills. So not effective but I liked the idea so went with it. Sure a scum could do that subtle play to pocket someone but that seems like a stretch to me. Better types of plays to be had. For some reason I had to reread this post a few times before I understood what you were referring to. I just disregarded the idea since D3 policy lynch + scum-claiming if he shot + not really scum-read at that point meant it was unlikely rayn would die over the gun thing alone since the best play for mafia!rayn there would be to not shoot still and talk your way out of it. So dunno how credible that is really. I rarely think in terms of 'plays' so I took those posts at face value. As for skimming the thread and wrapping yourself in tinfoil, I've been there | ||
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On April 16 2018 20:54 ExO_ wrote: What’s the setup here? Parity Cop and Gunsmith vs Roleblocker+Framer? That’s too much in my opinion, and I don’t believe thats the setup. I think it's PC, GS, Veteran vs Roleblocker, Role Cop, Framer/ Godfather myself. But I think this discussion is not productive. We are not the ones hosting. Fecalfeast is. He probably has balance ideas that differ from ours. Making assumptions about the role distribution is not a smart idea because we do not know what the hosts consider 'balanced'. Last game, town made this mistake when they assumed that Mafia Veteran was probably not a thing. It was | ||
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Surely you saw this yourself lol. | ||
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On April 16 2018 21:10 currentlyhomeless wrote: if rayn lied about having a gun then 1. he’s scum 2. we already lost since we are still here talking that means either scum hasnt sent their actions in or...gasp. rayn didn’t lie and he doesnmr have a gun also. if you read the fucking game you’d already know he can’t possibly have a gun, or be scum for that matter because of what happened d2. he literally asked ES to confirm if she had a gun. why the fuck would he do that if he is scum and knows already whether she has a gun or not To pretend that he doesn't know? This really isn't AI and it's insulting rayn's scum play to suggest that this is somehow out of his mafia range, lmao. Do you also town-read people for not knowing who the mafia shot? After all, why would they pretend not to know who died when they already know? I agree that game would already be over if rayn had a gun though. | ||
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On April 16 2018 21:14 Tubesock wrote: Ok so full confession. I’m tin foiling Oats, Rayn, Exo. Going back three months is Skynx’ Vendee game. Town impressively lynched three mafia in three days. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia#1 RB, Framer vs parity cop and medic. So basically, if this town somehow makes it to final three and Exo is alive he must die. What does a Skynx-hosted game where mafia got steam-rolled have to do with ExO being mafia? Also that was three months ago already? Time flies, lol. | ||
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On April 16 2018 21:39 currentlyhomeless wrote: i actually dont understand this game anymore we havent lost yet but rayn has a gun what kind of weirdass world is this Uh it's not that hard to think of scenarios. One is Fecalfeast checking that mafia have a pulse. Two is rayn bluffing about the gun as either alignment. Three is rayn having a gun as town. | ||
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On April 16 2018 21:47 currentlyhomeless wrote: are you trying to argue with me for the sake of arguing rayn lied about having a gun. hes scum I was responding to you pontificating about "rayn has a gun but we haven't lost yet? I cannot imagine why." Calm your tits, dude. | ||
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On April 16 2018 21:49 currentlyhomeless wrote: i cant actually believe you might be town here and still write this horseshit Better start believing it then, sweetheart. I'll stop taking the piss now, fam. You seem a bit shell-shocked by it all Or maybe not, because you are entertaining when you get all aggro. | ||
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On April 16 2018 22:50 currentlyhomeless wrote: and you sheeped it if we’re both town who’s worse? like if rayn is scum here which looks like he is, you’re 95% town everyone calls you good but youre actually trash Obviously he should take some advice from you, super-pro player who is arguing with a town-read over some irrelevant nonsense. Now that you think rayn is mafia, who are his partners? You've just had one of your main reads do a 180. Where is game solving? Where is reevaluation of reads? I don't get how arguing over this with HF does any of those things as opposed to cluttering the thread. | ||
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Guess we'll just wave the white flag, skip around a maypole, and wait for EON then. | ||
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Why do you want CH dead? | ||
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Anything else? Using D1 stuff on N3-D4 is not going to get you very far m8 | ||
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You taking the piss? lol | ||
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On April 17 2018 03:19 Oatsmaster wrote: no, tell me why it matters if I decide VIvax is mafia over you at this stage? Because it's triple LYLO and you have to get the entire scum team and it might help other people read you if you're not actually mafia? You already know this, probably. If you're of the opinion that "town is already fucked" and "I'm getting lynched anyway" then I'm not convincing you of anything. | ||
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I look forward to the reams of amazing content that you're sure to produce once it's not nighttime, I guess? | ||
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On April 17 2018 03:47 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont understand how being night means that im not making amazing content. I also dont know why "reams" makes me town, are you looking at this game or no? I was being facetious with my last line. I'm just a bit frustrated you're not easier to read and I basically have you as mafia because of POE and making some dodgy comments. Not exactly a water-tight case that fills me with confidence. Anyway these posts are just me whining about how Game Is Hard because I'm restless so I'll leave you to do whatever it is you want to do. | ||
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On April 17 2018 04:33 Holyflare wrote: The only way they kill the parity cop is so they can play me vs rayn at lylo. Fucking failure nk. Who else would they shoot? If they kill Tubesock then they have to roleblock him and that means ExO gets another check off. And mafia are not likely to shoot elsewhere. I don't think it means much other than shooting someone you can't lynch. | ||
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He uses lots of WIFOM arguments when defending himself, such as with comments like "I wouldn't do X as mafia" and his latest posts were lacking in substance. By this I mean he introduced gun WIFOM (something which nobody else can confirm or disprove ever) which can only confuse, not clarify, matters for the town. This isn't a case because that implies I want a response from rayn. I just want him dead. I am open to an Oats lynch today as well but I do not actually have a good case on him aside from "POE + dodgy comments + could be scum with most people" so I'm feeling a bit waffly there. | ||
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I'm still concluding that both are mafia. I may be tunneled at this point, lol. | ||
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On April 17 2018 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tubesock go read this again because: First part is the definition of reasoning that makes people mafia and i am mafia for using that line of reasoning? Second one doesn't say anything, like ofc i will say i never do X as mafia because i don't. I don't shoot my mislynches lol. This isn't a case she just wants me dead. mhm.. okay. But she doesn't apparently really want me dead because she can also vote for Oatsmaster but is waffling? What's the point of writing the post when it doesn't end anywhere despite providing a conclusion even before the post ends? 1. What I am saying there is that you are picking things which 'don't make sense' but you don't go the extra mile to prove how they make people mafia. It's just "this guy made a mistake/ logical error, therefore I scum-read him". Your analysis is not quite surface-level but it's close because you're not putting actual thought into your reads. Your wall-post is a good example of what I am talking about. 2. Yes, it's saying your defense arguments aren't grounded in anything you've done in the game and those are the PRIMARY arguments you are using. Instead you defend yourself using unfalsifiable arguments which essentially mean nothing. You might as well not have bothered. 3. I want both of you dead. I want you dead more. I am letting people know I can also vote for Oats. Do you have anything worth reading or are you and CH going to nitpick my wording to paint me as mafia? Because that's not going to get you very far. | ||
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On April 17 2018 22:21 currentlyhomeless wrote: what a stupid line of thought, literally no one decent at scum would shoot any of those players so scum are all baddies? its just wifom calix you are pretty aware of what wifom is. i think of all players in the game you said it more than everyone else combined. so why is it that when it conveniences you to throw shade on others for using wifom thats them being scum or wasting time but when you use it, it makes you town I'm not arguing it makes me town. I literally said earlier in the thread that the night-kills do not confirm me as town. Rayn is defending himself by saying "well I'd never make these kills as mafia" so I am demanding to know why I, as his scum-read, would make those kills as mafia when it makes way less sense for me to have killed those people. | ||
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On April 17 2018 22:28 currentlyhomeless wrote: so youre not arguing it makes you town but youre arguing it makes you town jesus if you actually are town youre seriously so stupid That's not what I said. If you are town you should learn how to work with people. Or read. Because you just look like you're trying to argue over irrelevancies and piss people off over anything else. | ||
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On April 17 2018 22:32 currentlyhomeless wrote: i can read fine. you are not making a case for rayn beig scum here you are just defending yourself with wifom No, you can't. I am using rayn's 'internal logic' against him. He apparently thinks that defending himself via NKs is fine. I'm applying the reasoning THAT HE IS USING to ask why I am mafia who makes those NKs. You do not need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure that one out. Also rayn has been using a shitton of WIFOM in his defense and you think he's scum. Why am I the only person you are attacking for this? I do not understand the difference. According to you, using NK WIFOM is bad. rayn is using NK WIFOM. You think I am using NK WIFOM. Why only talk about what I said exactly when, in your eyes, we were both doing the same thing? | ||
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On April 17 2018 22:38 currentlyhomeless wrote: where did he call you scum based on the nks What? I'm not saying that he's calling me scum based on NKs. I don't care what nitpicking you do to make it sound like I did because I did not. I'm being very clear with what I'm saying here. You're either obtuse or just mafia. I'm going with the second option. | ||
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Glad to hear it then. | ||
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On April 18 2018 00:19 Holyflare wrote: I've dropped confirmed town hints/crumbs all game. Does nobody read role pms? You could have told us that the VT PM isn’t in the OP, lol. Like yeah, you are technically confirmed town now but I didn’t think you needed to do that and it’s unfair to the mafia team, almost as bad as Vivax. | ||
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This sounds crazy but I believe it :p | ||
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On April 18 2018 02:12 Holyflare wrote: I'm thinking ch is their power role and you fucked uo not voting him. I'm also not entirely convinced rayn is mafia and it might be vivax/ch/oats and vivax just spams nonsense and gets town read through filter length. Yes, CH being mafia adds insult to injury regarding my D1 lol. I still think Vivax is town because of Dick Move Analysis but given he’s done nothing and continues to not give a single fuck I can’t blame people for being skeptical. | ||
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But it is what it is. My old site went a similar way. | ||
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On April 18 2018 05:32 Vivax wrote: Even if we lynch mafia two days in a row now we will be stuck with Rayn vs HF at lylo cause you lynched skynx and I don't have a guarantee in my mind that they're not both mafia even though I'm tentatively town on rayn now. Vote for Rayn then if you think that’s going to be a problem in 2v1. This is a thing. Or at least explain how anything he has posted today is townie. | ||
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On April 18 2018 05:41 Vivax wrote: Why would I vote for the guy I'm more town on than HF. You're not telling my I should believe that the crumb makes him town. No, I was referring to your comment about how you're not sure whether both are mafia or not. I was saying that if that's how you feel then vote for one of them and deal with the problem now rather than at 2v1. Because 'tentatively town on rayn' doesn't sound like you think only one of them is mafia moreso than both. I think HF's overall progression this game is more likely town than mafia. The way he reacts to new information seems authentic to me. And he has agreed with a lot of things I have said and said stuff I would have said had I been in the thread. I doubt you will find these points convincing though because you think I am mafia. But who knows, we might be able to reconcile our differences. Also I am not going to tell you that you should town-read HF based on the VT thing because using that as a reason is a bit BM for mafia. | ||
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On April 18 2018 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: I mean, hes the one complaining about people not responding to cases and whatever when hes pretty much just gone like "screw this game, i dont care anymore, im voting oats". Not sure how i can respond to that. Nobody has any reasons why they want to lynch me. Go post some intelligent thoughts on what the best mafia teams are using post analysis or VCA or something related to mafia. Whining about being lynched when you aren't doing anything does not make one sympathetic to your plight. And if you're just posting to avoid mod-kill then at least add some cute animal pictures | ||
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On April 18 2018 06:23 Oatsmaster wrote: This game is solved already what are you talking about. Okay then? Dunno why I keep trying to talk to you. Never does anything. | ||
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He even said so himself when he “found something” before making up some inane theory about blue softing. It’s quite blatant. | ||
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On April 18 2018 15:23 currentlyhomeless wrote: ah yes i as scum would out myself by saying “i found somethingl brilliant analysis You’re outing yourself by pushing stuff you didn’t care about earlier and which makes no sense from scum POV. Also by calling me “confirmed scum” for shit which doesn’t make people scum. Your reads have changed at the drop of a hat today. First Rayn is mafia and so is Oats, then you suddenly make an about-turn to attack me over how I word my posts. When nobody found that convincing you started talking shit about HF and suddenly Rayn and Oats can be town here. Despite Oats being all but outed mafia. For shame. | ||
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On April 18 2018 15:25 currentlyhomeless wrote: also if i am scum and you are town why would you want me to reread your post anyway you dont need to convince me if im scum ??? | ||
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I’m cutting the argument short because I need to catch the train. I should be around for EOD though. | ||
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On April 18 2018 19:27 Tubesock wrote: I read CH town. I don’t read his last posts as slinging shade to see what will stick. I see him in the exact spot I’m in. We’re on the verge of being swept. I think it’s a natural time to be reevaluating and looking in different places. Oatsmaster has only voted for Calix. I find that super weird if he’s scum. I’ve seen town do that. Not sure I’ve seen scum do it. I’m going to check to see if he’s ever done that. CH isn’t evaluating our alignments though. He’s trying to find something that will make a town player switch votes from mafia to HF/me. Oats has scumread me forever, not that weird. You’re making the mistake of looking at WHAT he’s doing and not WHY he’s doing it. Bad idea. Anyway I am changing my vote to Oats. Votes are not great right now. | ||
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Like that is the game. HF/ Calix vs rayn/ CH/ Oats. Nobody is compromising from this point onward. Basically you two will decide who wins the game. Instead of looking at individual posts ('micro'), look at what everyone has done this game ('macro'). Look at what HF and myself have been doing this game. Then look at how little rayn and Oats have done. Look at who actually CARES about solving the game and you will have the answer. And Oats is always mafia here, lol. There is no magical tinfoil world where he is town who just decides to diddle himself at LYLO. He's hardly posting anything because he doesn't want to compromise mafia agenda. | ||
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On April 18 2018 19:49 Tubesock wrote: I disagree with you about CH not caring about the game. To me he’s very much trying to solve it. Yeah, he is definitely trying, but he's defending all the wrong players (rayn, Oats!) and digging up 'dirt' on the townies. He's formed his conclusion (HF/ Calix = mafia) and is manipulating and distorting the facts to fit his agenda. That's why he is mafia. I will probably have to get out the wall-posts at some point to show what I am talking about because you don't see what I see. But when I was talking to him, I could tell he didn't give a flying fuck about whether I was wrong-headed town or mafia. I know when someone's trying to understand my perspective and he was not doing that. Because he already knows I am town and he has to twist what I say to make it look like I'M the mafia instead. I will give him this though, he brings a mean scum game. | ||
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On April 18 2018 16:08 currentlyhomeless wrote: if hes right we need to kill hf eventually anyway also we need to decide within the next few hours cause i wont be around at deadline to swap my vote. i’m going to be gone after about another 2 hours. anyway i think its pretty simple. there is one scum between vivax oats and rayn. and at this point the least likely to be scum between them is probably vivax cause rayn could be scum with hf & calix if one of them is gf like exo said. which means killing oats today is not the best choice. calix is somehow saying oats is outed scum here but voting rayn. if calix actually believes oats is 100% outed scum then why the fuck is calix voting someone non-guaranteed-scum when we need to be unanimous? predictably calix will probably switch to oats when no one is going to vote rayn and its still clear oats is the lynch today, which either means we lose bc oats is town or we get another day to decide between calix hf rayn and whoever else is alive. instead the best choice is for us to kill either hf or calix. i’m fine with either since we have to kill both eventually, though i really wanna see hf flip scum :p Also I feel compelled to point out that the bolded paragraph is hot trash. He asserts that "there is 1 scum between Vivax/ Oats/ rayn" and he rules out Vivax because of...something to do with Godfathers and HF/ rayn? K. Apparently NOTHING Vivax has posted makes him town. There isn't anything game-solving here. He's writing words to make it look like he's considering the game but there is no thought. Vivax could have posted monkey pictures and it wouldn't change this paragraph at all because Vivax's posts are completely irrelevant to the 'reasoning' behind why he's I invite you to look at the wording in particular. Vivax is 'least likely mafia' (not town) because of associations. Hedged read that leaves CH a way out if thread sentiment turns against Vivax later. AND THEN SUDDENLY he says that the Vivax/ HF/ rayn thing "means" killing Oats isn't the best choice. Somehow the information in the preceding paragraph has something to do with ruling Oats out as a lynch. I have no idea what. There is no logical progression here. As for the rest of this post, it's basically him trying to push through a HF lynch in the last few hours before EOD. There is no attempt to convince the thread that Oats can be town (because it is not possible) or explaining how HF's macro game makes him mafia. Instead he's spinning some narrative about how HF fake-claiming makes him mafia (when it's NAI for HF) and pushing it in the hopes that Vivax or Tubesock finally fuck up and vote for a townie. | ||
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I don't think CH is DF or disformation because neither of them are that aggressive. It doesn't matter though. Also I didn't run through the numbers when it came to the Veteran thing. I just figured that stopping mafia from one-shotting the Veteran by trying to kill the Roleblocker was a good idea. But rayn is correct that it doesn't give town another ML so scrap that idea. I'll stop trying to be fancy with lynching mafia | ||
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That also means rayn and HF are never SvS, yeah? I can't think of a scenario where that's possible now that Godfather can't have tampered with results. | ||
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Makes no sense to argue that Oats threw away his vote on mafia Calix almost every day without even TRYING to vote for a townie. He never wavered or wanted to move. Occam’s razor points to me being a townie he wanted to ML, not to some insane bussing plan. | ||
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So I will ask you one thing. Why are you still alive? Because right now you’re claiming we leave around a guy who scumreads 2 mafia and decide to shoot GB instead on N1. Who was never going to vote for mafia the next day in a HF/Calix world since he would only vote for Rayn, Skynx and maybe CH. (which includes 2/3 mafia in Rayn/CH world) And not only this, but we decide to leave you around until N4 at least. But you still haven’t considered that MAYBE nobody wants you dead because your reads are well off. | ||
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On April 19 2018 16:42 currentlyhomeless wrote: and again let me do the same thing why is HF still alive? rofl Not even remotely close to the same thing. HF was primarily mafia reading town for a lot of the game. Vivax is claiming here that Vivax found 2 mafia BY N1. But somehow wasn’t shot ever. | ||
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On April 19 2018 16:44 currentlyhomeless wrote: if youre town youve got to be better than this hf can’t be town here. and his teammate is asking why vivax is still alive when the real question is why hf is still alive lol ROFL at this hedge. Going “If you’re town” on the obvtown Veteran. | ||
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Vivax is probably the kingmaker or whatever it’s called here. This is annoying as he isn’t scumreading a single mafia and isn’t open to anything HF and I say. I would not mind so much if Vivax had some informed reasons to think HF and I and Oats are a team but he does not. His reads have not changed much over the days and the huge amounts of new information roll off him like water off a car. I do not see how someone like that will change his ways at D5 LYLO. | ||
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Sorry I mean, that’s a great plan, scum. You should definitely two shot Tubesock :D | ||
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Because if it's 100% rayn/ CH then they've kinda fucked themselves over by not shooting one of the three people who will vote for them tomorrow. But maybe they made the kill in the hopes that one of HF/ Calix/ Tubesock get paranoid for this very reason and vote elsewhere. And this would make sense because mafia can try WIFOMing the thread with NKs. You get the point. I'm cautiously going ahead with rayn/ CH for now but I might do some actual filter-diving this cycle just to double-check. Because post analysis and votes and shit > NK WIFOM in the end. And I will have the time to do so. P.S: I agree that the 'no shoot' discussion was super-weird still. | ||
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On April 20 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote: It's finally one mafia kill I agree with at least. Why? Also I don't quite follow your Roleblocker argument. Why would mafia not having a Roleblocker mean they propagate the 'no kill' idea in the thread? | ||
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On April 20 2018 18:44 currentlyhomeless wrote: tube said he is in asia or 1 time zone ahead of me or smth hf said oats was in asia too one is tinfoil one is occam’s razor occam’s razor: hf scumslipped cause afaik oats is american tinfoil: tube & rayn are scum so the reason they didnt swap to hf is because tube cant be around for deadline Oats used to live in Singapore, I think. | ||
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But I still want rayn dead. Gotta resolve those cop checks before we hopefully head into our last LYLO and resolve Veteran vs Jailer... There is too much role WIFOM this game. Annoying. It's been a really busy day for me today and I'm also enjoying the rare bout of sunshine in the UK. I'll be back with some actual thoughts this evening. | ||
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Sure, CH's claim seems too dumb to come from scum but it also doesn't make any sense coming from town. His uncritical acceptance of Tubesock's D3 claim, for example, does not seem legitimate to me. You can evaluate Tubesock and conclude he's more likely town after filter-diving or something but thinking he's just straight up town despite his 2nd Protective claim doesn't square up from a Jailkeeper's POV to me. In short, I'm concluding that if there's no town motivation behind the claim then it must be mafia even if it makes little sense from mafia perspective. Rayn can still be mafia because he's seemingly just done a total 180 on his HF read and now thinks one of HF/ himself is Miller (?) but couldn't care less who the hypothetical second mafia in a CH/??? world would be. This post isn't that intelligent, insightful or even necessarily coherent but I'm too tired right now to care. If Tubesock and/ or HF are mafia then they can count themselves blessed for having the worst town evah! ##vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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On April 21 2018 12:02 currentlyhomeless wrote: rayn why would your first assumption be me & Calix instead of the more obvious me & HF how are you so sure one of you is a miller? He claims you're lying and that since HF would never allow you to make the JK claim, HF must be town. It's a dumb argument but it's indicative of the quality of rayn's arguments this game so no surprises there. | ||
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On April 21 2018 07:50 currentlyhomeless wrote: have you actually read my posts? Like you say I misrepresent you and then you write that I accepted tube as town with no critical thinking lol. Go back and reread my posts. I toneread tube as town going into d3, before he claimed. Specifically, I thought max one of tube/exo/skynx was scum. Also due to the way D3 tube and exo claim, we killed Skynx. I didn’t really talk about it much in thread except for the miller shit, but I was skeptical of exo at that point more than I was skeptical of tube. However I decided to accept both of the claims eventually because I thought the timing was too good to be scum. Clearly I was wrong. After that, we flipped skynx and I had to reeval. I became less confident in all my townreads, but that’s not something I talk about in thread because townreads are easily manipulable. At the time I thought Vivax might be scum due to the fact that I felt he wasn’t reading the thread at all. Anyway you can go back and reread my posts if you like. Town motivation for my claim is pretty clear. Vivax posted some scenarios before dying. I actually thought he had solved the game with HF & Calix scumteam and that’s why he was going to get shot. If I were scum I would have no reason to shoot Vivax, and then claim jailer when I could have just shot tube and then voted HF with Vivax and rayn. Yes, I did read your posts and noticed how little you talked about Tubesock up to and including D3. And given that a lot of your defense here is "I didn't post XYZ in the thread/ didn't want to talk about XYZ" it's a bit silly to berate me for 'not reading your posts'. On April 21 2018 07:56 currentlyhomeless wrote: also Calix, Vivax hadn’t changed his opinion all game. If I am scum why would I post before day that I think everyone will be alive? If it’s because I am scum, then first of all I would know that not everyone will be alive, and then I claim jailer with a prot on Vivax anyway?? That’s just stupid and makes no sense. If I were scum and tube is really a vet why wouldn’t I just leave Vivax alive by shooting tube so that my claim comes out stronger? Like look at Tube’s reaction to my claim. He doesn’t try to refute anything, he just laughs at me saying I protted Vivax and Vivax died on the same night as if that means I’m lying. Why the fuck have scum done anything this game? Who knows? It's already established that using the "why would I do X as mafia?" argument means almost nothing for anyone's alignments so don't think that's going to work as a defense now. The only thing that's going to save your hide is you going into Tubesock's filter and telling me how his entire game play comes from mafia. Tubesock is invited to do the same with you. I'm going to filter Tubesock now. Have been meaning to do this for a while but real life comes first. Also I have to do it within the next hour or two so that Tubesock can see and respond to it. | ||
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Some things I liked: - Decent early game, seems thoughtful and not opportunistic. - Interactions with Eversince are good. He doesn't try dirt-shoveling Eversince for defending his scum-reads (Skynx, Calix), he doesn't attack Eversince for disagreeing with him, he just says what he thinks and then 'agrees to disagree'. - Takes strong stances (scum-reading Skynx, town-reading Eversince, scum-reading me, etc) but shows a willingness to consider other opinions. - Remarkably consistent. Things I did not like: - Those two big wall-posts about Eversince and Calix. Anyone who writes a post that is larger than my own wall-posts better have a good reason for it. And the two wall-posts Tubesock made just reiterated arguments that were already in the thread. - Hard defended Oats and rayn a lot for pretty much the entire game. Later goes and has CH as "more town than ExO" during D3. Scum-read townies for pretty much the entire game. - His switch from scum-reading me to town-reading me was weird and not that well-explained aside from "I liked Calix's recent [D3] posts". - Not doing much in LYLO. - Seemed intimately familiar with Vivax's recent reads when it came to defending himself against night kill WIFOM. + Show Spoiler [Some relevant Tubesock posts] + On April 08 2018 14:58 Tubesock wrote: Hi! Glad you’re playing again. I like that you pointed out the awkward exchange concerning Calix, but I just don’t agree it’s indicative. I think a mafia would be more scared about getting a vote placed on them this early and a town wouldn’t really care. Town will/should be able to get their town light to shine. On April 09 2018 06:58 Tubesock wrote: Skynx, I feel like your case on GB and Rayn was 1/2 trolly 1/2 real. Rayne answered you, and you seem appeased. Are you townreading him? Have your thoughts on GB changed at all? I’m comfortable townreading Rayne and GB. Calix I don’t know about. I didn’t agree with any of the Rayne criticism and they seemed a tad nit picky. It reminded me of noobking in my last game (noob was scum). But I do like the activity and she seems to be looking at everything. On April 09 2018 12:30 Tubesock wrote: Unsure. I want to hear Skynx’s answer to my questions. But if eod was now, I’d vote him. But I can vote anyone but GB, Rayne, you. I don’t like HF as a day 1 lynch, so pretty doubtful I’d vote him (83.7839% certainty) I still think GB is funny. So tone read I guess. I’ve liked everything I’ve seen Rayne say. I think you and I are pretty much on the same page concerning Skynx and Calex. With the exception that I want to see more from Calex as the game goes on. I’m uncertain if her “reevaluating” is genuine or not. She’s mentioned it enough in other reads that I feel like she’s projecting her strategy if she is mafia. But it seems to me that people get called out less for tunneling so being obstinate would benefit her if she were scum rather than reevaluating. I do not like her vote at all. Especially since she doesn’t even scum read Rayne anymore. On April 09 2018 14:25 Tubesock wrote: HF is solid null to me. I think your point concerning lack of nit picking makes him more likely town. I’m super unlikely to vote him. Exo, n00b, CH I would support lynching. It’s policy though. I was really hoping CH was BH and would post pics of moving boxes to be hilariously trolly. But it’s Kush. Who I generally find super funny too though so still fun. If he played. I really liked Oats stuff on Skynx and Calex. I like his straight to the point tone. He’s solid town for me. On April 09 2018 14:37 Tubesock wrote: Start at the mid portion of page 15. Oats points out the backpedaling. And the easy townreading from Calex on Skynx. On April 09 2018 15:11 Tubesock wrote: Last comment about this I swear. 1) its a terrible case. Why? Time stamps lies. Time stamps is a super nit picky thing, right? Do you think scum have to fabricate their cases, sometimes by finding any little thing so they can to fabricate a case? I do. And I think Skynx fabricated it so he could look productive. I also think he did it to blend in without risking too much attention. We will have to agree to disagree. On April 09 2018 16:52 Tubesock wrote: Sooo Currentlyhomeless is actively lurking and blatantly not playing. I’m not even sure mafia would be that blatant. On April 09 2018 17:00 Tubesock wrote: I did laugh when his first post is a case on you. I didn’t read past page three on his filter. I’ll accept the point that he will always think you’re scummy in any game (if that’s your point). But the only similarities were the first post is a case about you. The games are a bit different. And if he’s self aware at all, something he likely would try to replicate as mafia. I’m up for lynching someone else I guess. Not HF though. On April 09 2018 18:51 Tubesock wrote: I feel somewhat confident I can read him eventually. I think he tries harder as mafia, but also I think the damage a living fairly inactive mafiaHF is less than killing a townHF who just hasn’t had much time to play. He hasn’t done anything that I think makes him town, but so far he’s on the greener shade of null. However, well within his scum range. On April 09 2018 20:01 Tubesock wrote: My lynch order would be something like: Skynx Currentlyplayless Vivax, Exo, Damdred They’re all pretty much the same really. Doubt i would vote n00bking. Won’t vote for the rest of the game, including Eversince. I think the only legitimate criticisms for her is her weird reads. I don’t understand her conclusions on Skynx, Damdred, Oats (not so much what she said in her list but our conversation), or Exo. When I talked to her I think she was being honest and open about her opinions. So I’m not faulting her for that. Anyway, I think she’s town. On April 10 2018 09:45 Tubesock wrote: HF is right. Posts #1003 & 1004 demonstrate pretty clearly that Calex was just talking to be active and appearing hip. She froze up cause she didn’t know where to make her vote look the best. Last two n00b votes were at 14 and 7 minutes prior to deadline. Exo’s was at 21 minutes prior. Fairly last minute I guess, I can see how that could feel like 5 seconds. But I don’t get why she wouldn’t just vote exo or Damdred as they were scummed by her and also basically AFK players if she were town. Her filter is actually quite barren of scum reads. Eversince, I hope you give the gun to Rayn. I’d be fine with HF also. I’d just shoot Calex, currentlyhomeless, or Skynx with it. I don’t even know if I’d shoot Skynx with it. I want to see what he does in the next 36 hours. On April 10 2018 09:52 Tubesock wrote: Huh? I don’t think you’re seeing Vivax objectively. Like he is trying to respond to you but you keep burying him with stuff. Isn’t the old Vivax famous for inconsistencies and tin foils? I’m too dumb to understand why he’s being any different this game. But I do like pretty much all his reads. On April 10 2018 15:46 Tubesock wrote: I don’t agree with you concerning rayn. They’re all pretty subjective points that add up to him not being the wrecking force he normally is right? If that’s your point, I think it’s due to being busier in life. Same thing happened to HF and why he plays differently now. I also don’t really agree with the points you brought up. I think he dropped homeless once he realized Kush was trolling. Eversince’s reads are a hot mess, so not sure how his reasonings are weak (you even scum read her, what are your strong reasons?), he posted several times to get Exo lynched. “Try” I guess would be subjective. On April 10 2018 20:35 Tubesock wrote: Thunderstorm rolling through so internet is moody. Skynx is too scum for me. CurrentlyHomeless is completely unreadable so we have to figure out how to get rid of him. I think the last mafia would be in Damdred, or Exo. I think I’m pretty confident HF is town. In the next few days I’ll reevaluate Rayn, GB, Oats. There’s always one in my townpile. But I think more votes and night kills help figure that out. HF has stepped up in my opinion. So probably won’t relook at him till d3 when I wonder why he’s alive. On April 10 2018 20:56 Tubesock wrote: I have a really tough time with your eod. I’ve only seen two people drop a vote like that and freeze. They were both mafia. I also don’t think I’d ever agree about your reasoning to jump off Vivax. That being said, Exo’s being pretty opportunistic here and I’d jump his ass pretty hard if you didn’t have that eod you did. Or I thought your reasoning was logical. Or you still held the vote. You have 55 hours or whatever to make up for it though. Exo looks more scummy than he was before. I don’t like his rayn attack either. Damdred’s been totally worthless and forgettable. He vanishes a lot due to real life though which is sad, but it’s still anti town. On April 10 2018 21:07 Tubesock wrote: I’ve been saying he’s town all game. My reasonings haven’t changed at all. I’m willing to bet his “chill and do nothing” is him living a life outside of mafia. Otherwise known as just busy. And frankly, you can not criticize him for not being around all the time. On April 10 2018 21:29 Tubesock wrote: The only thing I didn’t like about rayn was his final read on Eversince. I didn’t think Calix’ case was that good. The only things Calix had right in it were weird reads. Arguably, you can say her point about Eversince only scumming AFK’s is true. But so is the entire game soooooo....yeah. I read you scummy for your first case. Scumming you for your case wasn’t weak, your case was that bad. On April 11 2018 09:24 Tubesock wrote: Oats, your filter isn’t exactly a friendly place to find your reads. Are you still at mafia = Calix, CH*, You’re townreading HF, Damdred (annoyed), Vivax I can’t really tell what you think about rayn or Eversince or Skynx. On April 11 2018 09:31 Tubesock wrote: Do HF and you mostly fight it out like this every game? I don’t play often but I remember two of my last few games you two did this and were both town. One of the games you were blue, fakeclaimed, he CC’d as vigi (actually was) and town killed you. Basically, is this not very normal so I should look deeper into this or not? I think you’re both town. On April 11 2018 10:26 Tubesock wrote: Also ##Vote Skynx. Add GB’s dying wish and killing n00b for no reason to the scummy list. Plus he hasn’t done anything and will probably let this Eversince distraction keep going. On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote: Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones. On April 11 2018 13:01 Tubesock wrote: Oats, I don’t think rayn is sleeping. What do you mean? I didn’t think his last big post was weird at all. I liked his case on Exo and the rest of his comments. Like the eod criticism he got and his activity level. Especially when it’s from someone who has half the activity. But that’s speaking from someone who’s been lynched many times because I had to leave thread for extended periods of time. On April 12 2018 09:03 Tubesock wrote: You guys are wrong on Eversince. tl;dr 1. Eversince is busy and sleep deprived. 2. Sleep deprivation makes for dumb and forgetful. 3. Saw GB nk, but forgetful and limited brain resources spent focusing on rayn. 4. If actually blue, better she absorbs rb than other blue. 5. If scum will die soon anyway I think the world we live in is the one where Eversince is insanely busy in real life. If she’s the one I am thinking of she’s friends with rsoultin from another website. She said she was busy due to career then. She has said this much this game (“I work 12-18 hrs”)and since she doesn’t play often, I think it also backs up this reality. working 12-18 hrs a day will drain you. And trying to play this adds to that. Plus without sleeping that makes you forgetful and do dumb things. I believe her when she said she had to leave prior to deadline. And at the time I think she was the leading lynch. So yeah she was rightfully afraid and claimed. I would have too. Concerning reading the daypost. It was clear she was concentrating on rayn getting the gun and shooting someone. I can see a sleep deprived person checking to see if two kills were made and glossing over who died. Then she obsessed over why that confirms her and rayn as town. She said she forgot GB was the nk. She admitted reading that and forgot. Cause she was focused on rayn. Same reasoning explains her misreading of her pm or missing if she starts with a gun or not. I understand the arguments. And in a vacuum I do agree not understanding if you start with a gun or not or if she still has a gun is indicative of a fakeclaimer. I get it. I think my world is truth. I also think that if she is liar liar pants afire, the real blue is freely able to do whatever they can do, and when the time comes they can claim and we will kill Ever first cause there is literally no way to have a worse claim than hers. Or a real blue dies then she will be lynched. If she is town, mafia already knows and are either roleblocking her or will kill her. And if that’s true then if there is another blue (in a 13 player game generally there are two) they will operate without needing to consider being roleblocked. I think that’s fucking awesome for town and out weighs the negative of her actually being mafia. On April 12 2018 14:01 Tubesock wrote: CALIX Scumreads Vivax all day one. To justify her vote, she says the wagons are too static not to have one being mafia. Probably Vivax’s. Then later says Vivax is town because the votes are weirdly static. She unvotes and is frozen on who to vote next. Scumreading Vivax Evidence + Show Spoiler [First Vivax Case] + On April 08 2018 18:08 Calix wrote: Have access to a keyboard, thank God. [red]Vivax might be mafia because of how he went about his GB read. First he says that "GB saying he can't post for a while after posting a bunch at the start of the day reads defensive to me" which is typically a mafia trait, and when Damdred questions this read and implies a negative view of Vivax because of it ("kinda a meh read from you"), Vivax's reaction is to call both GB AND Damdred town. Weird progression. As I see it, it's one of these scenarios: A) Vivax was always town-reading GB, in which case why did he make the comment about GB being defensive? B) Vivax was scum-leaning GB until Damdred made a point about why it isn't scummy, then Vivax changed his mind. But then why would you say "yeah he's town"? That's not the response you'd make if someone had changed your mind. C) Some other scenario I haven't accounted for. However the two I listed were the ones that came to mind when I first read the exchange. So yes, I'd like an explanation. I also don't see how the reason he gave for Damdred being town ("I don't see why you wouldn't partially agree with me if you were mafia") is AI. I agree that GlowingBear is more likely town than not. His posting reads as spontaneous and unplanned to me. As for his case on me, it's dumb because I DID respond to his vote (after he actually gave reasons) and Eversince's assumption that it was a spite vote was more interesting than a naked vote. I also want a response from Eversince that clarifies that random town-read she doled out to one of GB/ Calix. Both GB and I asked about that and she ignored both queries to post some irrelevant nonsense. So I am asking again. + Show Spoiler [thought Vivax, need reeval] + On April 09 2018 02:54 Calix wrote: Are you saying Skynx and I are on a scum team here? As for my reads, I think you and Skynx are town. I thought rayn and Vivax were scummy but I need to reevaluate given recent posts. Didn't like Eversince ignoring the 'town read' questions. Don't have a strong opinion on anyone else really, HF non-vote aside. + Show Spoiler [Vivax is a better lynch] + On April 09 2018 19:19 Calix wrote: After EXTENSIVE research - which involved opening some kush filters and ctrl+f-ing "HF" - I have concluded that I only found one game (Holyf***e Mafia) where kush correctly read HF as mafia. But I only looked at some of his recent games in the database. Also I have no experience with this guy so I do not know how to interpret his current behaviour. I would probably not lynch ExO_ or currentlyhomeless unless Eversince does something townie instead of just "okay". And even then, I think Vivax is a better lynch since he has yet to say anything intelligent and has nothing but "okay" posts. Which actually makes him more likely to be mafia now that I reflect on his posting because mafia are always trying to make "okay" posts and not much else. The point about Eversince having a dodgy read on HF is good but I maintain that the Oats read is whack. I just do not comprehend how someone writes that about a player and doesn't think there's mafia motive there. + Show Spoiler [Vivax vote + reasoning] + On April 09 2018 22:17 Calix wrote: I'm not feeling anything in particular. I think people misread the language I use as being 'angry' when it's just how I talk. If I was actually angry then it would be obvious. I agree with his Vivax posts. However I don't really trust him. He accused rayn after I did. Now he accuses Vivax alongside me. Looks like a pattern. Nothing substantial to back it up, just wary. I would probably not want to lynch him today though. Vivax looks well bad even without HF's points. + Show Spoiler [Going hard on Vivax] + On April 09 2018 22:35 Calix wrote: Admitting Vivax is scum? Why did you call my reads 'good' when I'm going hard at Vivax? Who you town-read? I >.> + Show Spoiler [close to parking vote forever] + On April 09 2018 23:53 Calix wrote: If you're 'trying to end up on X' with rayn then that's not you thinking rayn is sheepable, is it? And why is ExO_ a no-go? Are you ever going to explain your reads? Because I'm this close to parking my vote on you forever. On April 09 2018 23:57 Calix wrote: So you share a QT with ExO_, that's nice + Show Spoiler [Vivax hasn’t done anything townie] + On April 10 2018 01:16 Calix wrote: I don't like the push for Skynx when Vivax hasn't actually done anything townie. He's just become weirdly emotional. Weird because HF wasn't actually bullying him. So I don't relate to why he got upset. + Show Spoiler [explains to Oats V read] + On April 10 2018 01:23 Calix wrote: Isn't this just asking why I think Vivax is mafia? My current opinion is that his posts are bland and uninteresting. He hasn't said anything engaging. He has an entire scum-team theory yet I do not give a damn about ANY of his scum-reads. Instead of pushing his reads, he takes on this defeatist attitude about convincing others to vote for his reads. He called me town despite saying I was pushing rayn for false reasons (which is not a town tell ever) and never explained that despite me asking him about 39580670 times. His reaction to being called out about the "HF pushing me because a mafia's on the line" quote looks like flailing scum to me. I also don't get why he's getting emotional. Which is not necessarily scummy by itself but it's not helping me think he's town. + Show Spoiler [want V dead or spew town] + On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote: Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. + Show Spoiler [Resistance to V lynch] + On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote: No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town. Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc. @n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol. + Show Spoiler [static votes mean V scum] + On April 10 2018 02:20 Calix wrote: I meant with wagons. Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere. I concluded Vivax because his wagon is the one that's most static and somehow hasn't exceeded three votes despite few people properly town-reading or going out on a leg to defend him. Basically for 47 of the 48 hours of D1 Calix spent scumreading Vivax. You can see her talking about him quite a lot, she also interacts with him. Her points are reasonable enough. she has ample time and content to re-evaluate. She maintains his scumminess. Of note are the last two posts “Reistance to V lynch” and “static votes mean V scum”. She basically says that because Vivax only has three votes, mafia must be resisting. Despite also saying no one is really going out on a limb to defend him. Scondary Scum Reads + Show Spoiler [vote for some AFK scrub] + On April 09 2018 03:05 Calix wrote: What's bad is you scum-reading myself and my town-read. For shame No idea. Whoever I'm scum-reading by EOD. And if I don't have a proper mafia read by EOD then I'll vote for some AFK scrub. + Show Spoiler [Consider some AFK] + On April 09 2018 04:59 Calix wrote: I'm calm. I'm not sure why people keep thinking I'm not. Must have the verbal equivalent of Resting Bitch Face And yes, this game is ridiculously slow. Can't wait for the inevitable CFDs. Aforementioned slowness is why I am considering lynching some AFK dude even if they're not my strongest scum-read. Lynching a top-poster on D1 is usually a bad idea. And rayn's filter is bigger than mine is. Since you are so concerned about lynch suspects, who among the 'low posters' would you want to lynch aside from Skynx? + Show Spoiler [fine w/afk lynch] + On April 09 2018 05:29 Calix wrote: I'd be fine with an AFK lynch but saying it's gonna 'motivate him' is dumb. Dude has no problem posting as both alignments. + Show Spoiler [scum Exo, maybe Damdred] + On April 10 2018 01:40 Calix wrote: ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by. Damdred possible third. + Show Spoiler [no other mafia] + On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote: Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts. + Show Spoiler [Let’s vote Exo or something] + On April 10 2018 04:17 Calix wrote: We could like, vote ExO or something. A lot of people here think he's scummy but he's never really gained traction. Here is what I could find of her scum reads and what would happen if Vivax couldn’t be lynched. Three times she said she would be fine with voting an AFK player. She scums Exo and maybe Damdred. Damdred is basically an AFK dude. Her posts did seem like she was confident that she would have a secondary target. Comfortable with AFK, Exo, or Damdred. The Vivax Towning + Show Spoiler [Weirdly static is town] + On April 10 2018 04:12 Calix wrote: I actually agree with you. It is why I am starting to think Vivax might be town despite what I think of his posting. Because there have been a lot of posts but the votes have been weirdly static. Mafia is either AFK or they do not give a damn. Since you could lynch almost anyone here if you wanted to, I think it's option #2. This is the singular post and argument that unravels 47 hours of thinking and deliberating. Nothing really changed, the votes were still static. Even IF she never posted or thought static votes were indicative of resistance, I don’t see how town!Calix could override her previous thinking. Vote Freeze + Show Spoiler [UNVOTING WITHOUT SOMEONE IS DUMB] + On April 09 2018 04:29 Calix wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On April 09 2018 04:19 GlowingBear wrote: Uhm, let me express myself better. I'm not arguing about your townread on me. I think it's okay. Skynx, in the other hand, is a townread for a couple of posts that in my POV doesn't make him a strong townread. What he did can be faked (calling someone out then reevaluating right after it, then peacing out). I'd never give a townread on him because of that. I'm okay with your reevaluation process, but until you reevaluate, shouldn't you be lynching who you think it's mafia for now? I'm not lecturing you on anything. I'm as a good player as you are. You have to reevaluate rayn and vivax. I have to reevaluate you. But if you asked me: "who would you be lynching right now?", I would say "Calix", regardless of the need of reevaluation. You have the same weak scumreads as me, but you're not comitting in being lynching anyone. That's... evasive. Non-committal. That is what sounds scummy to me. I hate to break the news to you, but I'm not you. Therefore saying that I'm scummy for reading people for different reasons to you is an invalid argument. I am happy with my town-read on Skynx. Deal with it. Yes, I haven't unvoted and have no plans to. Because unvoting without having someone else to vote for is dumb. But right now, I'm not going to push for a lynch on someone that I am less sure of. + Show Spoiler + So because I didn't respond to a generic question in the way you would, I'm scummy? Again, I'm not you, and accusing me on the basis that I didn't say "Vivax/ rayn" for "best lynches" is pedantic. And non-committal? I've taken more stances than most of the game has. I'm not going to feign confidence in my scum-reads if I am not actually as confident as I used to be. + Show Spoiler [waffling n00b] + On April 10 2018 04:25 Calix wrote: Well I unvoted you anyway. I'm now waffling over whether to vote n00b or not. And it's annoying. + Show Spoiler [DON’T know who to vote] + Earlier in the day Calix said unvoting someone unless you have someone else in mind is dumb. I think she actually believes that. There’s zero mafia motivation to lie about it. She had other scum reads and options she REPEATEDLY mentioned. She waffled voting n00b whom she NEVER scummed. She was willing to follow her previous strongest scum read onto n00b. No fucking way will town be willing to vote someone they’ve only said towny things about. It would have been one thing if n00b was an AFKer. But in the posts about AFKers she says lynching an afk dude is better than a top poster (rayn at the time). N00b may not have been a top poster, but he was active and she towned him!! There would be zero consideration for lynching n00b let alone “waffling”. Despite showing confidence she would just vote an afk if nothing else presented she froze on no one. She unvoted someone she spent a lot of time scumreading without another target. She says that’s dumb. It’s dumb for town, but when you’re mafia you need to look good as possible. And she knew she screwed up when she got off the wagon and was unsure who to vote because all votes would look bad. I also think the backpedal she did on rayn was super bad too. + Show Spoiler [Oats calling Backpedal] + + Show Spoiler [More Backpedal] + + Show Spoiler [Backpedal Complete] + Already talked about and I quoted Oats for easy finding and cred. I think she got off rayn partly because he would fight hard, people would listen, and no one really agreed. Contrast with Vivax who was semi afk, most people kinda scummed him, and the HF really scummed him. Scumming Vivax is fucking safe. Keeping rayn scummed when he fights back is not safe. Conclusion, Calix is mafia. PSDS it isn’t bussing unless you actually vote them. “Oh, but I can’t be scum to you because it would mean I am getting bussed by my team!” On April 13 2018 08:14 Tubesock wrote: I’m failing to see how Oats is scum for thinking HF could have lynched you if he really wanted to. HF wasn’t really pushing that hard compared what he’s done in the past. So, fine, HF tried and tried and tried really hard to kill you. Oats disagrees in the effort level. How is he scum for that? On April 14 2018 10:31 Tubesock wrote: You are wrong. Unmolested checks means 1of HF or rayn is mafia. That’s correct. But I think it’s pretty likely that mafia has a framer or Godfather. Or if not we could have a miller. We have a pretty good POE pool now. Basically, two of Calix, Skynx and Vivax can be scum and at most 1 scum in HF or rayn with great odds of both HF and rayn being town. CurrentlyHomeless is confirmed to me cause we mindmelded. So tldr, we have 66% to hit scum outside of the HF/rayn pool or 50/50 at best in just rayn or HF. On April 14 2018 10:34 Tubesock wrote: I forgot Oats. He’s not confirmed. So different math, but I think HF and rayn are town right now so that’s basically three in the pool of 4 who are left. And the. The NK’s will further narrow that down for better deciding on Hf and rayn. On April 14 2018 20:09 Tubesock wrote: Rayns filter looks fine too. There’s only two things I see that I think could be construed as scummy but in the context I think he did it as town. Mainly, his two weird defense posts. The first one where Calix scummed him in the beginning of the game, and he was like “I defending this not because I should but in case HF derps, and makes other derpy towns derp and kill me”. I think it’s ok because I know some towns love to kill the top players day one for some reason. The other was the Exo case which Oats talked about as super weird. But I thought he was talking to three different people in one post, so that’s not that weird at all. And I really liked the rest of what he said. Well, except the whole kill ES bits. But I understand. On April 14 2018 20:10 Tubesock wrote: Yeah. I’d be down for killing Skynx. At least Calix is playing and trying something. On April 14 2018 20:26 Tubesock wrote: Close enough. But Skynx high as well. And you’re playing. I have been wrong before, unless I’m mistaken. On April 15 2018 08:56 Tubesock wrote: This perfectly demonstrates Vivax’s entire game: You can just about take any of his comments at random and research it, and it’s because he misread or misconstrues it. 0% chance I will vote for CurrentlyHomeless for the rest of the game. Holyflare might as well be 0%. So they’re basically confirmed. And I think Calix is most likely town. rayn kinda too, but he has had slips. That leaves Skynx, Vivax, Oats. With rayn alternate. But I could probably change my thinking in 15 minutes. You're all welcome to filter him yourself | ||
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On April 22 2018 00:48 currentlyhomeless wrote: btw Calix if you want another example of how I think you have consistently misrepresented me this game, the comment about me not talking about tube at all is one of them. if I still thought you had any chance of being scum here that would make me tunnel the shit out of you. but anyway IIRC you yourself said there is no point to posting all your thoughts all the time and I agree with that statement. In particular I don’t find it useful to talk about when I am reading someone as town or why I am reading them as town unless that has some relevance to what’s happening in thread (for example if my townread is being scumread and I strongly believe they will be mislynched) anyway as phone posting is incredibly hard I cannot easily quote my own posts and format nicely for you so if you want to see proof that what I am saying is actually the truth and not some made up scum bs you can go find in my filter any post where I talk to tube directly d2 or d3. Probably p4 in my filter is a good place to start. For instance I asked him why he was townreading ever. Based on what I’ve just told you about my thought process on ever and how tube defended ever why do you think I would have asked him that at that stage in the game if I were scum? If I were scum I could have just let it be because I would have no need to figure out the game. Secondly if you read my posts with tube you can easily tell I was townreading him even though I didn’t say it because of 1. how I actually interacted with him and wanted to know his thought process and 2. when I talked about the off-wagon voters scumreading each other despite having the same reads I specifically said tube looked the best Well now that you've explained some of your game philosophy, I think it's NAI. I don't think people lie about things like that usually. | ||
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On April 22 2018 01:44 currentlyhomeless wrote: I agree, I don’t think people lie about how they play. However I hope you realize that if you are saying this in response to my scum bs comment, I wasn’t referring to my playstyle, I was referring to my read progression on tube. I was not responding to your Tubesock progression directly. I'm starting to think we are clashing a lot over playstyle/ culture differences. For example, you use arguments like this when referring to yourself: For instance I asked him why he was townreading ever. Based on what I’ve just told you about my thought process on ever and how tube defended ever why do you think I would have asked him that at that stage in the game if I were scum? If I were scum I could have just let it be because I would have no need to figure out the game. Things like this give me the impression that you play mafia [the game, not alignment] very deliberately and don't post without having a very specific purpose ever and don't explicitly state everything you're doing. Therefore you think asking X at Y specific time is a town tell. And it seems like you genuinely think this. You getting annoyed at me for 'misrepresenting' and 'not picking up on things' you did which showed you actually did think XYZ is also making me think we're clashing over NAI stuff. Anyway, I (well, HF and Tubesock too) don't find these arguments convincing because it is within most players' mafia range to ask these sorts of questions that look like they're solving the game a lot. So we just see them as NAI for the most part. If you're wondering what the point of this post is, it's me thinking "hm I might be scum-reading you for reasons which aren't actually scummy for you because of how you approach the game so I should probably try and understand how you play and not just rely on how I scum-hunt, especially since I'm probably the person deciding the game if we get to 2v1." | ||
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Anyway, that confirms HF as town for sure. I'm pretty much confirmed too because of the Veteran/ Jailkeeper thing. HF, you're probably dead tonight. Talk to me please. I'm feeling the uncertainty creep in P: | ||
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Think about it. Bugs is claiming Jailkeeper. If he's town, he knows Tubesock is mafia. He just roleblocks Tubesock to block the kill. If Tubesock is town then Bugs just shoots Tubesock once and claims that he roleblocked Tubesock. So looks like it'll be a 3v1. | ||
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I don't. I'm saying he has to enforce a no-kill regardless of his alignment. | ||
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It just means there's an extra confirmed town voice tomorrow. | ||
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My alignment doesn't need clearing up either P: But as said, it doesn't matter too much whatever happens tonight. | ||
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On April 22 2018 20:44 Holyflare wrote: Where does it say that? Also didn’t we establish that Jailer actually can target the same person on consecutive nights? | ||
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In any case, time to sit back and chill. CH is welcome to come at me with the night kill so I get to see the observer QT sooner. Who wants to bet it’s mostly salt? :D | ||
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1. I enjoyed playing with Tubesock. He was pretty chill. 2. Tag-teaming mafia with Holyflare was neat. Usually we just argue with each other a bunch and then one of us dies early :D 3. I have respect for wherebugsgo's scum game. His persistence and improvisation made this game ten times more enjoyable, I think. 4. I also liked n00bking when he was in the game even though I didn't appreciate this at the time, lol. Maybe one day he'll survive past Day 2 on this site as town! | ||
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In this instance, I think the GB kill was fine but following that up with killing the AFK replacement was a massive tip-off that the mafia was fine with the current game state. I'd argue that's more information given than just killing someone with good reads or who is solvy because it tells town that they're on the wrong track. | ||
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On April 26 2018 17:33 currentlyhomeless wrote: he had a red check on him. He would have died because of that combined with “if he is town why is he still alive” I assumed you were referring to killing HF at ANY point in the game, my bad. If you're saying that killing HF on N1, for instance, would have lost you the game then I will say that it wasn't guaranteed that ExO would check rayn N2 in that scenario because his reads (and everyone else's) would be influenced by the kill to an extent. ExO might have checked a suspicious townie (or Oats) which could also have massively influenced the game. On April 26 2018 17:35 currentlyhomeless wrote: we didn’t lose because of the kills, that much is for sure. the only kill that was objectively bad was the Vivax one but we were already in a losing position. If there is a single action that lost us the game it was the RB. Everything else was down to our play. I don't think anyone would argue that roleblocking a PR (in isolation) is ever a bad play though. If rayn had received the gun then Eversince would not have been lynched D2 and either I get lynched or I try-hard and get someone else lynched. Roleblocking Eversince definitely changed the game a lot in that sense. This is a lot of words to say "even one night kill/ action can influence the game a lot" lol. I think town would almost certainly have lost without the PRs this game. Parity Cop definitely swung the game around in town's favour and that's not something mafia had a great deal of control over. In retrospect, ExO's play was more blue-oriented (he was never VT with his play but I thought he was mafia not blue) but you'd need meta to figure that one out and you hadn't played with him before. So it would have been difficult for the mafia to have found him early, I think. In general, I think alignment-checking roles are OP and should not be used ever because they require no skill and deny mafia mislynches. Godfather/ Miller/ Framer are not good 'counters' in my opinion. | ||
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On April 27 2018 03:58 NocturneMage wrote: not much to say, followed the game from the sidelines and kinda agree with gb here...got the impression wrongly that hf/rayn were both mafia shitting up the thread. rayn's filter was disjointed enough from the get go and think it lacked his town passion that at least I'm used to in town rayn. just my opinion. re: setup, this struck me this game didn't seem unbalanced. not bh here but some insights on tl blue role play. like can't really get into hts' brain as to why she balanced the game this way, but this is probably one of the few times - maybe the only time - where I've seen a parity cop get those checks off this early. there are some people on this site who are extremely good at blue hunting too. also unlucky for scum that gf flipped....had it been anyone else, they at least had the option of wifoming a miller somewhat in the setup. inv roles on this site don't think have been played nearly as well as you may think, most cops myself included will check lurkers and not "sleepers" or the hail mary play, and and there's been lots of lurkers in tl games all around. people do even worse as tracker. I remember when I first joined tl there was some thread going down about town losing or some shit because blue play on this site is generally awful. can't say it's better or worse, but inv roles have not directly correlated slam dunk town wins. even when inv roles do make "good" checks. + Show Spoiler + and this game didn't even have a rolecop. the mafia rolecops I've seen generally help with at least one blue nk. also most blues on this site claim way too early before they can get critical information out as needed. like I cohosted once with bh and bh says that alignment cop is op but not so much parity. fwiw. idk tldr here is that inv roles exist for a reason. no reason she couldn't have just knocked out gunsmith and just gone cop versus framer. or done tracker gunsmith, but I've played enough hts games where I know she absolutely would have made gf untrackable. I wasn't calling the setup unbalanced. Setup is fine by TL standards. I was saying that Parity Cop was what turned the tides in town's favour. That isn't unbalanced in this setup. That's the natural result of a Parity Cop getting off unmolested checks on two living players despite Roleblocker and Godfather existing. But I, personally, dislike alignment-checking roles because they make mafia's job harder while not adding much more in terms of gameplay. If I want to add investigative roles then I would use Tracker or a killing role or an extremely neutered Investigative role like Motion Detector, etc. The non-killing ones add a bit more ambiguity to investigative results and the killing ones rely on reads, not mechanics. Players being shit with blue roles doesn't mean we add stronger blue roles. It means players should learn to get good at playing blue I actually think your sentence about the Godfather/ Miller WIFOM strengthens my argument. No game has been improved by the addition of "is the cop check legit or is that player a Miller/ Godfather?" discussion ever. It is repetitive because the obvious answer is just to evaluate the player's posts. Since that's what you should be doing anyway, it's reasonable to conclude that Cop just adds unnecessary mechanics discussion to the game. It usually confirms the Cop as town but there are better ways of going about that with almost any other blue role. Anyway, I am writing this to explain my anti-Cop stance, not to talk shit about how people balance their games. I don't expect to suddenly convert TL Mafia to my way of thinking. | ||
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