Newbie Student Mafia XXVI - Page 60

On June 07 2017 03:06 Prison Break wrote:
sorry about the long posts btw :/

I should use bulletpoints, spoilers etc. more

On June 07 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:

If he flips cop, we don't have a cop.
Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop.
If all those claims are real, ofc.

If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop.
I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum?

On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:


Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point

On June 07 2017 03:15 Holyflare wrote:


You should press the quote button on the posts you want to quote because it's hard to decipher between what you write and what's a quote.

On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:

I just don't understand how at the very beginning of a 48 hour phase, a lynch on Vivax is already locked and will happen 100% of the time. The "If" you say there is a super big one.
Also why not simply cc the doc in Tumblewood and argue people into that? Vivax should be capable of that.

On June 07 2017 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
It's super fishy that noone is inclined to believe that claim especially since Vivax just pissed off and doesn't care about this game. I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship

also keep in mind yes one scum is down but we have wonky claims in tw/vivax, we have players that are super capable of bussing (BH/Onegu) and there's a lot of things to be paranoid about. In no way is this going to be easy, especially if we lynch Vivax and he flips cop because hell HF is capable of talking himself out of a check. In a cop/doc situation, a framer might be in, right?

On June 07 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:


Because if you're playing the same game you'd know vivax was bad fake claiming or mafia.

He even says in his post he's going to rescind.

At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments.

On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:

And he knows that from Generic II. This guy is absolutely scummy.

Also, I understand that your timezone doesn't match up with the start of the game, but what are you going to get by pushing me, who is not experienced at all at Mafia, and making me post more? What about the other half of the thread that isn't making any sort of post that you can push for more information as well?

I'd also like to give Fidei the benefit of the doubt b/c I was cited in the past as acting pretty scummy here when I was floundering about from inactivity and lack of confidence. I would rather have on the board some confidence and a deconstruction of my post from Fidei to support your scumtell so you can push it harder to let me argue and refine your read on me.

yet btdt and fidei are readily pressuring me either for explaining my situation, or calling me scummy by making conclusions from my post that I can't really see from rereading my post

Fidei might be scum, but I'm not sure. I find it really suspicious he's not giving me a benefit of the doubt and looking to push me as scum with one post on my end. Not saying I deserve a free town pass because I suck and I'm a newbie, but my experience in 2012 showed me that most experienced players ignored me as just that: a newbie until it became important for me to step up and contribute.

PB are your thoughts on BTDT the same? I honestly don't see how his play works out by tunneling me-- I think it's just a weak play at best if I end up getting lynched and flipping town, so I'm inclined to believe he's town but idk. I don't think lynching him today is going to get us anywhere, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

The two I think are Mafia are BH and TW.

TW because I didn't like any of his posts about town reads. He generally seems rather disinterested in doing anything on doing any useful reads, lazily labels people as town, doesn't build a case on anyone, and doesn't seem to do much except make the occassional post here and there.

I still find BH's play super weird-- comical or not (which I can't tell), he's been doing nothing as well and with the arguments happening here, I feel like making posts for people to push/question is the way to clear yourself up.

The last one is a pretty big tossup, but I'm leaning towards PB. He hasn't changed his view on BTDT and put off his analysis, but I'm not very confident on this one.

Also I don't think BTDT is mafia, which I mentioned at least once already. just that the tunnel on me felt weird, which is why I asked PB about his opinion on him

I'm placing a vote on PB.

I don't know if I should lynch TW with a blue claim, and for some reason BH is being fought over and makes me doubt if I'll really get anything out of a D1 lynch who made almost no informative posts and people fighting over his meta, which I have no idea about

PB still isn't here 24 mins before the deadline, so there's my vote. I'm boarding a flight now so I won't be available until after night.

PrisonBreak:

I really, really dislike his play. IDK if that’s because he’s just busy, he’s not caring as much about this game, or he’s scum trying to fly under the radar. I’m seeing a lot of disingenuous posts from him (saying he will post his reads later, still hasn’t done so) and then blames his inactivity based on something “not happening” when he checks the thread. Before the deadline he makes two posts on the vote count, doesn’t do anything to dissuade votes off of him, and doesn’t make any informative posts (Onegu/Tubesock is town—Onegu lead the “shenanigan” lynch whatever that is, Tumblewood is town). Questions Grack, makes some prods at BTDT and leaves.

His play looks really sloppy from what he did in Generic II, but honestly there were some easy questions I made to you that you could have answered way before deadline was approaching. I asked you to post reads and asked you why you still think BTDT is scum, and he just disappeared and posted whatever he did before deadline.

Really suspicious to me.

OK so I avoided reading TW because I thought he'd get NK'd with his doctor claim.. do we lynch him?

I'm super fine with lynching PB, this guy smells like scum. The overall tone of his post is so super soft, so not-pushy, so calm, so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

really lynch pb

Here's where I'm at:

(no particular order right now)

Don't lynch:
Vivax
Fidei

Lynch:
Prison Break
+ Show Spoiler +

Tubesock
+ Show Spoiler +

Others:
Conversion - hmm. His filter is full of stuff, so there's more to read into, so I'd just wait a bit. The mobile stuff still makes me headache and I think he's getting away too easy with some stuff but I realize that this is super generic. I'm not filter diving him right now.

I still think PB is scum tho :O

And HF might also be because he was super duper late on Fidei

On June 07 2017 03:19 Blazinghand wrote:



"I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship" he literally is the kind of guy to do that

"HF is capable of talking himself out of a check" not with me around kiddo

" a framer might be in, right" literally impossible under the rules

On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:

Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker.

By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax.

On June 07 2017 03:20 Holyflare wrote:


How on earth is going through all that effort to make your post unreadable scummy? I think you need to take a chill pill on your scum tells.

On June 07 2017 03:21 beentheredonethat wrote:

ah you're right.

super good, lynch HF, no way he has been framed, so no way for Vivax to talk himself out of anything should HF flip green

On June 07 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:

Point me to that.


He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf.

I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia".

On June 07 2017 03:21 Blazinghand wrote:


GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop.

Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad

On June 07 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote:


We
Lynched
Mafia
And
He
Says
It's
Cos
Onegu
Made
Good
Points
And
Everyone
Sheeped
Onegu

So why is he mad at all that fidei, the mafia, got lynched based on content. It was 0% random AND UNAVOIDABLE BECAUSE THE MAIN WAGON CLAIMED BLUE.

He makes it out like he's pissed off from an unavoidable situation that he played no part in to help. Then he says at the end of the day after everyone picks a side in the cop battle we'll lynch someone random. Because he is going to rescind and say it's all a joke to make us flail like day 1.

On June 07 2017 03:24 beentheredonethat wrote:

Don't call me bad, I get tilted super fast and then I get worse.
There's no need for a host to put in a GF when there is no investigative role. Can be a goon. Why would you actively mislead scum? In setups with cop/doc, it's even balance-wise important for mafia to know what's going on because they'll never be able to fake claim in a meaningful way if they don't know the setup.

On June 07 2017 03:22 Blazinghand wrote:


So you think it's more likely HF will flip scum than Vivax will flip scum, based on their contributions to the game and Vivax's claim? Just to be clear here, you think HF is more likely to be scum than Vivax is? please explicitly answer directly.