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Why does he fake claim today? He sees me calling him definitely mafia and would be lynched, he knows I'll fight a shit tonne and either you guys decide not to lynch the claims (dumb) and lives more cycles or i die and he's made a successful trade of taking out the biggest town voice.
If he rescinds it later then he has stalled conversation to just us two for a whole cycle. Perfect.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:36 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:33 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario
best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway
If he flips cop, we don't have a cop. Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop. If all those claims are real, ofc. If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop. I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum? Because if you're playing the same game you'd know vivax was bad fake claiming or mafia. He even says in his post he's going to rescind. Point me to that. At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments. He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf. I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia". We Lynched Mafia And He Says It's Cos Onegu Made Good Points And Everyone Sheeped Onegu So why is he mad at all that fidei, the mafia, got lynched based on content. It was 0% random AND UNAVOIDABLE BECAUSE THE MAIN WAGON CLAIMED BLUE. He makes it out like he's pissed off from an unavoidable situation that he played no part in to help. Then he says at the end of the day after everyone picks a side in the cop battle we'll lynch someone random. Because he is going to rescind and say it's all a joke to make us flail like day 1. I don't think you're making sense. And I think you're trying to talk me into lynching Vivax. I'm not gonna lynch into the un-cc'ed cop because his red-check told me to do so. It's super madness. If he lied, he'll be lynched next day. If not, HF is scum. Supercool. How does this not make sense to you. You said it makes sense that vivax is frustrated at the randomness. But what reason does he possibly have to be frustrated when he compliments onegu and said he had valid reasons to vote fidei? zero. Then you say he's frustrated because fidei wasn't talked about but no shit, we didn't have time with Tumblewood claiming doctor. But fidei flipped mafia. Why is vivax, the guy who doesn't like to play the game as mafia who had a not so bad start to the game, rage quitting when we kill a mafia super early? Because he was doing well, his team likely in a good spot and fidei "randomly" dies. Bye bye motivation. mumble mumble yeah makes sensebut I don't want to admit that this makes sense lynching the fucking uncc'ed cop is plain bullshit
I mean to be fair, like I said, all things being equal, if HF and Vivax were equally scummy and Vivax claims a red check on HF, the correct move is to lynch HF first. I just don't think all things are equal.
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If Vivax rescinds his claim he's the lynch, no questions asked. At least from my side. Even if that's coming from town, it's super bad, stole a day, and potentially lost the game and should be punished.
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:36 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:33 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario
best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway
If he flips cop, we don't have a cop. Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop. If all those claims are real, ofc. If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop. I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum? Because if you're playing the same game you'd know vivax was bad fake claiming or mafia. He even says in his post he's going to rescind. Point me to that. At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments. He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf. I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia". We Lynched Mafia And He Says It's Cos Onegu Made Good Points And Everyone Sheeped Onegu So why is he mad at all that fidei, the mafia, got lynched based on content. It was 0% random AND UNAVOIDABLE BECAUSE THE MAIN WAGON CLAIMED BLUE. He makes it out like he's pissed off from an unavoidable situation that he played no part in to help. Then he says at the end of the day after everyone picks a side in the cop battle we'll lynch someone random. Because he is going to rescind and say it's all a joke to make us flail like day 1. I don't think you're making sense. And I think you're trying to talk me into lynching Vivax. I'm not gonna lynch into the un-cc'ed cop because his red-check told me to do so. It's super madness. If he lied, he'll be lynched next day. If not, HF is scum. Supercool. How does this not make sense to you. You said it makes sense that vivax is frustrated at the randomness. But what reason does he possibly have to be frustrated when he compliments onegu and said he had valid reasons to vote fidei? zero. Then you say he's frustrated because fidei wasn't talked about but no shit, we didn't have time with Tumblewood claiming doctor. But fidei flipped mafia. Why is vivax, the guy who doesn't like to play the game as mafia who had a not so bad start to the game, rage quitting when we kill a mafia super early? Because he was doing well, his team likely in a good spot and fidei "randomly" dies. Bye bye motivation. mumble mumble yeah makes sensebut I don't want to admit that this makes sense lynching the fucking uncc'ed cop is plain bullshit
It's not bull shit. He's not cop.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:36 Holyflare wrote:
Why does he fake claim today? He sees me calling him definitely mafia and would be lynched, he knows I'll fight a shit tonne and either you guys decide not to lynch the claims (dumb) and lives more cycles or i die and he's made a successful trade of taking out the biggest town voice.
If he rescinds it later then he has stalled conversation to just us two for a whole cycle. Perfect.
FWIW I imagine that if Vivax rescinds it he still gets lynched. We're 18 hours into D1 by now, and he's forced the convo to be about "Vivax vs HF" which... well, it's a very narrow conversation. If he rolls in like 3 hours before lynch and says "lol jk" we lynch him anyways. He knows this. You know this. We all know it. Tremendous. YUGE
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On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote:
I like Fidei's first post cause he reprimands me for forming certain reads he thinks I shouldn't have. I will say that they are preliminary reads based on the little content I had so I think that shows that he isn't suffering from TMI.
Fidei town for now.
HF town I think cause he isn't just yelling about any mistake someone may have made and extending the discussion about it into as much detail as he can to produce endless unproductive arguments. He seems really chill about his scumhunting and thinks he has something on TW. I can see where he's coming from cause imo that post looked overly emotional (if you wanna call it forced, call it forced) but I'm not that sure that it makes TW mafia as he is.
BTDT I'm atm conflicted on cause I don't think Grack played like this in generic. I feel like Grack has slowed down his posting even more than in the last game, and I'm surprised btdt doesn't see it the same way.
I like on the other hand that he's pointing out how PB is making easy posts by saying certain things in a contrived, overly worded way. But I also think that it's something a scum can easily point out esp. emphasizing that PB won a mafia game recently which reads to me like soft fearmongering. I prefer to remain inconclusive on btdt for now and watch more development between him ritoky and PB.
PB on the other hand calls out fidei for the lurker thingy, but says it's only scummy if it's not to move the game forward, which is a statement that cancels itself and ends up not really saying anything. He could ask fidei if that was his intention before explaining that if it was, he could ignore the argument, for example.
I like his idea of discussing how to find mafia early game actually and giving his own opinion on it cause it looks cute at best, pointless at worst and since it's what we are already doing I don't think that it needs to be laid out.
He doesn't latch onto someone instantly like last scum game but prefers a chill start instead so I remain conflicted on him as well.
HF also pointed out that he's asking for help on how to play and shouldn't be auto made out as scummy which looks like what btdt wants to do.
I think in this conversation btdt looks a bit too eager to push PBs post into a scummy light and comes out slightly worse of the two, although superficially, PB has more things you could construe as scummy quickly (and hence possibly qualifies as lynch bait)
Conversion post explaining his absence reads tonally super town explaining without a hint of nervousness why he's playing like he is. Feels safe to townpile for now.
Ritoky's case on btdt seems good and isn't overly adorned and gets straight to the point. Ritoky likey.
Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose).
LS and HFs arguments on LS I'm postponing atm. Also fideis new post doesn't end up where I am at all. I'ma stick around now instead of throwing walls of text at you. And BH?BH whatever, he has a star in his name and is the banlist fuhrer so should probably lynch just to be rebellious.
look at this
for someone who absolutely doesn't like to play scum (as painted), that's quite the effort to do.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
If Vivax rescinds his claim he's the lynch, no questions asked. At least from my side. Even if that's coming from town, it's super bad, stole a day, and potentially lost the game and should be punished.
Well.. IF he rescinds the claim AND we also 100% think he's town somehow, we don't lynch him. But this will never happen. If he rescinds the claim, I just can't see a motivation for that other than being Mafia.
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:39 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote:
I like Fidei's first post cause he reprimands me for forming certain reads he thinks I shouldn't have. I will say that they are preliminary reads based on the little content I had so I think that shows that he isn't suffering from TMI.
Fidei town for now.
HF town I think cause he isn't just yelling about any mistake someone may have made and extending the discussion about it into as much detail as he can to produce endless unproductive arguments. He seems really chill about his scumhunting and thinks he has something on TW. I can see where he's coming from cause imo that post looked overly emotional (if you wanna call it forced, call it forced) but I'm not that sure that it makes TW mafia as he is.
BTDT I'm atm conflicted on cause I don't think Grack played like this in generic. I feel like Grack has slowed down his posting even more than in the last game, and I'm surprised btdt doesn't see it the same way.
I like on the other hand that he's pointing out how PB is making easy posts by saying certain things in a contrived, overly worded way. But I also think that it's something a scum can easily point out esp. emphasizing that PB won a mafia game recently which reads to me like soft fearmongering. I prefer to remain inconclusive on btdt for now and watch more development between him ritoky and PB.
PB on the other hand calls out fidei for the lurker thingy, but says it's only scummy if it's not to move the game forward, which is a statement that cancels itself and ends up not really saying anything. He could ask fidei if that was his intention before explaining that if it was, he could ignore the argument, for example.
I like his idea of discussing how to find mafia early game actually and giving his own opinion on it cause it looks cute at best, pointless at worst and since it's what we are already doing I don't think that it needs to be laid out.
He doesn't latch onto someone instantly like last scum game but prefers a chill start instead so I remain conflicted on him as well.
HF also pointed out that he's asking for help on how to play and shouldn't be auto made out as scummy which looks like what btdt wants to do.
I think in this conversation btdt looks a bit too eager to push PBs post into a scummy light and comes out slightly worse of the two, although superficially, PB has more things you could construe as scummy quickly (and hence possibly qualifies as lynch bait)
Conversion post explaining his absence reads tonally super town explaining without a hint of nervousness why he's playing like he is. Feels safe to townpile for now.
Ritoky's case on btdt seems good and isn't overly adorned and gets straight to the point. Ritoky likey.
Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose).
LS and HFs arguments on LS I'm postponing atm. Also fideis new post doesn't end up where I am at all. I'ma stick around now instead of throwing walls of text at you. And BH?BH whatever, he has a star in his name and is the banlist fuhrer so should probably lynch just to be rebellious. look at this for someone who absolutely doesn't like to play scum (as painted), that's quite the effort to do.
This is literally just a post summary. He doesn't like to play mafia but he isn't a scrub.
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On June 04 2017 07:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner
yes I'm going to bed now
no I'm not scum This reads like real frustration. But no need to be frustrated btdt. Just keep doing your thing!
As scum, I'd just go full frontal "lol btdt you suck" but that's me
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:39 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote:
I like Fidei's first post cause he reprimands me for forming certain reads he thinks I shouldn't have. I will say that they are preliminary reads based on the little content I had so I think that shows that he isn't suffering from TMI.
Fidei town for now.
HF town I think cause he isn't just yelling about any mistake someone may have made and extending the discussion about it into as much detail as he can to produce endless unproductive arguments. He seems really chill about his scumhunting and thinks he has something on TW. I can see where he's coming from cause imo that post looked overly emotional (if you wanna call it forced, call it forced) but I'm not that sure that it makes TW mafia as he is.
BTDT I'm atm conflicted on cause I don't think Grack played like this in generic. I feel like Grack has slowed down his posting even more than in the last game, and I'm surprised btdt doesn't see it the same way.
I like on the other hand that he's pointing out how PB is making easy posts by saying certain things in a contrived, overly worded way. But I also think that it's something a scum can easily point out esp. emphasizing that PB won a mafia game recently which reads to me like soft fearmongering. I prefer to remain inconclusive on btdt for now and watch more development between him ritoky and PB.
PB on the other hand calls out fidei for the lurker thingy, but says it's only scummy if it's not to move the game forward, which is a statement that cancels itself and ends up not really saying anything. He could ask fidei if that was his intention before explaining that if it was, he could ignore the argument, for example.
I like his idea of discussing how to find mafia early game actually and giving his own opinion on it cause it looks cute at best, pointless at worst and since it's what we are already doing I don't think that it needs to be laid out.
He doesn't latch onto someone instantly like last scum game but prefers a chill start instead so I remain conflicted on him as well.
HF also pointed out that he's asking for help on how to play and shouldn't be auto made out as scummy which looks like what btdt wants to do.
I think in this conversation btdt looks a bit too eager to push PBs post into a scummy light and comes out slightly worse of the two, although superficially, PB has more things you could construe as scummy quickly (and hence possibly qualifies as lynch bait)
Conversion post explaining his absence reads tonally super town explaining without a hint of nervousness why he's playing like he is. Feels safe to townpile for now.
Ritoky's case on btdt seems good and isn't overly adorned and gets straight to the point. Ritoky likey.
Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose).
LS and HFs arguments on LS I'm postponing atm. Also fideis new post doesn't end up where I am at all. I'ma stick around now instead of throwing walls of text at you. And BH?BH whatever, he has a star in his name and is the banlist fuhrer so should probably lynch just to be rebellious. look at this for someone who absolutely doesn't like to play scum (as painted), that's quite the effort to do.
It's a list post and therefore imo not a good contribution.
Also, like... I guess let me say this. After the D1 flip, I as a townie, felt energized and excited. Since we lynched a mafia I have been more engaged and eager to play this game. I think we can win this! it was a big morale boost.
How did Vivax react to that?
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:40 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 07:32 Vivax wrote:On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner
yes I'm going to bed now
no I'm not scum This reads like real frustration. But no need to be frustrated btdt. Just keep doing your thing! As scum, I'd just go full frontal "lol btdt you suck" but that's me
As town, I basically just did that :V
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On June 05 2017 03:55 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2017 23:41 beentheredonethat wrote:
stuck on page 11, cooking is done.
ritoky town
hf dunno, can be both, if alive >D3, lynch with fire etc
I don't care about pretty much everyone else, can be lynched
except Onegu, for some super weird reason I think Onegu's town
but I'm not gonna share this reason
holy crap.....this is so bad....this might be too bad to be scum. That's townie as hell. Best example of idgaf attitude.
this is interesting in vivax' filter
like, ritoky says "wtf btdt you're super bad" and he's instabelieving that's me being town not giving a fuck, which is 100% correct and could of course be a scum TMI
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On June 07 2017 03:40 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:39 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote:
I like Fidei's first post cause he reprimands me for forming certain reads he thinks I shouldn't have. I will say that they are preliminary reads based on the little content I had so I think that shows that he isn't suffering from TMI.
Fidei town for now.
HF town I think cause he isn't just yelling about any mistake someone may have made and extending the discussion about it into as much detail as he can to produce endless unproductive arguments. He seems really chill about his scumhunting and thinks he has something on TW. I can see where he's coming from cause imo that post looked overly emotional (if you wanna call it forced, call it forced) but I'm not that sure that it makes TW mafia as he is.
BTDT I'm atm conflicted on cause I don't think Grack played like this in generic. I feel like Grack has slowed down his posting even more than in the last game, and I'm surprised btdt doesn't see it the same way.
I like on the other hand that he's pointing out how PB is making easy posts by saying certain things in a contrived, overly worded way. But I also think that it's something a scum can easily point out esp. emphasizing that PB won a mafia game recently which reads to me like soft fearmongering. I prefer to remain inconclusive on btdt for now and watch more development between him ritoky and PB.
PB on the other hand calls out fidei for the lurker thingy, but says it's only scummy if it's not to move the game forward, which is a statement that cancels itself and ends up not really saying anything. He could ask fidei if that was his intention before explaining that if it was, he could ignore the argument, for example.
I like his idea of discussing how to find mafia early game actually and giving his own opinion on it cause it looks cute at best, pointless at worst and since it's what we are already doing I don't think that it needs to be laid out.
He doesn't latch onto someone instantly like last scum game but prefers a chill start instead so I remain conflicted on him as well.
HF also pointed out that he's asking for help on how to play and shouldn't be auto made out as scummy which looks like what btdt wants to do.
I think in this conversation btdt looks a bit too eager to push PBs post into a scummy light and comes out slightly worse of the two, although superficially, PB has more things you could construe as scummy quickly (and hence possibly qualifies as lynch bait)
Conversion post explaining his absence reads tonally super town explaining without a hint of nervousness why he's playing like he is. Feels safe to townpile for now.
Ritoky's case on btdt seems good and isn't overly adorned and gets straight to the point. Ritoky likey.
Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose).
LS and HFs arguments on LS I'm postponing atm. Also fideis new post doesn't end up where I am at all. I'ma stick around now instead of throwing walls of text at you. And BH?BH whatever, he has a star in his name and is the banlist fuhrer so should probably lynch just to be rebellious. look at this for someone who absolutely doesn't like to play scum (as painted), that's quite the effort to do. It's a list post and therefore imo not a good contribution. Also, like... I guess let me say this. After the D1 flip, I as a townie, felt energized and excited. Since we lynched a mafia I have been more engaged and eager to play this game. I think we can win this! it was a big morale boost. How did Vivax react to that?
I felt super fucked over that flip because I thought that my top town read (or something) just flipped scum and I didn't play for 12hours or so because I thought "meh, I'm the next lynch"
im super negative
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You should just read my filter. It's just full of calling out bull shit.
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Vivax agrees with me or me with him with regard to PB's posts. I think that's why I started townread him, along with the fact that D1, he punched towards a lot of people (tw, ls, grack, onegu, bh, hf, pb)
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On June 07 2017 03:43 Holyflare wrote:
You should just read my filter. It's just full of calling out bull shit.
your filter is super hard to read because you're super conversational and hardly using quotes if you're reacting to something
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On June 05 2017 04:30 Vivax wrote:
I'm already feeling the unstoppable fidei/btdt/Vivax/ritoky train choochooing HF and his scumbois into ze ground
this gives me headache
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On June 07 2017 03:45 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:30 Vivax wrote:
I'm already feeling the unstoppable fidei/btdt/Vivax/ritoky train choochooing HF and his scumbois into ze ground this gives me headache
especially since ritoky even cased me, he doesn't make sense in that list
neither do I of course
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
Jeez I've kinda been a grouch to your btdt sorry
Gonna take a break then come back
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