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Can someone enlighten me to as if there was a game if someone just pulled what Vivax did and was actually cop?
Like does that sort of play actually happen around here?
Again, not playing the newbie card, but a lot of what I read on Mafia here and elsewhere is that you don't want to harm town's environment in encouraging posts and generating content and reading people, even if we're wrong, and I just feel like what Vivax is doing cop, mafia, or town is doing exactly that: harming the town's ability to discuss and talk through our next steps because we're stuck on his Vivax vs. HF thing
Also let's say Vivax is cop and he flips cop after the lynch. How does HF get out of that hole? We're at 7 town, 2 Mafia and let's say that either Vivax or HF are scum.
I see these scenarios:
Vivax is cop, HF is scum:
Vivax gets lynched, flips cop. Someone gets NK'd, HF gets lynched immediately the next day and now we are at 5 town, 1 Mafia
Vivax is scum, HF is town:
Vivax gets lynched, flips scum. NK happens, and now we're at 5 town 1 scum, yet again.
IDK maybe I suck at this game but if I was HF and I was scum, I'd honestly get people off Vivax's case. I don't know about the others here, but I'd push HF really hard if Vivax actually flips cop, and I don't think HF wants to be in situation where he is undeniably a red.
The worst case scenario is Vivax isn't cop at all and is just regular town, in which case we wasted our entire day2 and our lynch on someone who is actively sabotaging town by fake claiming cop, and I have no idea how to proceed in that case. We'll be at 5 town vs 2 scum with an entire day lost of information. I doubt this scenario will happen, but I don't actually know because Vivax isn't posting.
All things considered, Vivax is making the worse play here by claiming and AFKing.
I guess another case here is Vivax and HF are scum, as if we lynch Vivax and he flips red. Not sure if that makes HF an untouchable townie, but the play can be Vivax outs himself to clear HF's name.
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If Vivax flips scum I want to lynch Conversion
Any chance they'd both vote me yesterday? maybe trying to get my lynched over fidei
In that case I could maybe see btdt being town despite playing scummy, because he also wants to kill vivax here
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ok conversion also wants vivax dead so that's not really a point in favor of him over btdt tbh, I retract that part
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Blazinghand
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The question isn't whether Vivax is playing anti town: he obviously is. The question is whether he's scum or not.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 04:30 Blazinghand wrote:
The question isn't whether Vivax is playing anti town: he obviously is. The question is whether he's scum or not.
Like the possibility of angry low effort cop or sabotaging malicious townie is real. I think scum makes most sense though
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On June 07 2017 04:19 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:06 Holyflare wrote:
Like how are you even reading the same game?
You cannot write this and expect me to continue reading. nah HF you have my vote as long as no counter claim happens.
You're saying we should lynch a town over a fake claiming town/mafia despite him posting absolutely nothing of meaningful content the entire game and has pretty much the opposite reads to 90% of the game even when evidence is presented that should alter his read.
Sorry that I'm not gonna let you idly kill me because you have some pre-conceived notion that we should always lynch the red check.
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No matter who you lynch it's always going to be a 1 for 1 trade but one of us is and has been producing meaningful content whereas the other one has afkd into oblivion and made the game a stale discussion.
I sure know who I'd like to keep around.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 04:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:19 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 04:06 Holyflare wrote:
Like how are you even reading the same game?
You cannot write this and expect me to continue reading. nah HF you have my vote as long as no counter claim happens. You're saying we should lynch a town over a fake claiming town/mafia despite him posting absolutely nothing of meaningful content the entire game and has pretty much the opposite reads to 90% of the game even when evidence is presented that should alter his read. Sorry that I'm not gonna let you idly kill me because you have some pre-conceived notion that we should always lynch the red check.
Ok I mean to be fair, it's not THAT unusual to lynch the red check. Many people have strong pre-conceived notion of "follow the cop" and it often works out quite well. We just happen to be in a potentially unusual situation where this is not necessarily the best strat.
And you know, even in the worst case here Holyflare, if you're town, we lynch you then we lynch Vivax, which still leaves us a lot of breathing room to go after the final scum. I suppose the REAL worst case scenario is that Vivax is in fact town but also is lying, so we lynch you, then we lynch HIM and there are two scum left and we have no cop. that would be hilarious. But I think that's unlikely.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 04:45 Holyflare wrote:
No matter who you lynch it's always going to be a 1 for 1 trade but one of us is and has been producing meaningful content whereas the other one has afkd into oblivion and made the game a stale discussion.
I sure know who I'd like to keep around.
It's not ALWAYS going to be a 1 for 1 since you could concievably both be town (Vivax as the malicious townie or cop who checked me and got green and is faking a red on you) or you could both be scum (incredible bus attempt to end all bus attempts)
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 04:50 Holyflare wrote:
well I'm town soooooo
I mean don't worry about me HF, I'm all over Vivax, I think he's highly likely to be Mafia. I'm just saying, there are many possibilities. And you know as well as I do Vivax could be some kind of malicious town-aligned guy. I still think we gotta lynch him but them's the facts.
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nah I get it but lynching me would be bad for various reasons™
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lol why is Blazinghand getting triggered over the name of the setup type.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 04:54 Grackaroni wrote:
lol why is Blazinghand getting triggered over the name of the setup type.
Basically I loathe setup speculation, but I have a particularly huge loathing for incorrect setup speculation. So pointing out that it's incorrect then having someone also point out incorrect setup names bothers me too.
Anyways Grack don't worry we'll get to you after we got Vivax brodooski 
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On June 07 2017 04:58 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:54 Grackaroni wrote:
lol why is Blazinghand getting triggered over the name of the setup type. Basically I loathe setup speculation, but I have a particularly huge loathing for incorrect setup speculation. So pointing out that it's incorrect then having someone also point out incorrect setup names bothers me too. Anyways Grack don't worry we'll get to you after we got Vivax brodooski
That leaves me another 36 hours worth of shit posting.
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Err I mean 96?
Stupid math.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:58 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 04:54 Grackaroni wrote:
lol why is Blazinghand getting triggered over the name of the setup type. Basically I loathe setup speculation, but I have a particularly huge loathing for incorrect setup speculation. So pointing out that it's incorrect then having someone also point out incorrect setup names bothers me too. Anyways Grack don't worry we'll get to you after we got Vivax brodooski That leaves me another 36 hours worth of shit posting.
That's the spirit!
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If we're absolutely lynching between Vivax and HF then I'm lynching HF.
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it's kind of ironic vivax picked me in a way because it will fully bite him in the arse
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