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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On June 07 2017 06:26 Grackaroni wrote: Is that so? It seemed like you were half the way there. well you got there yesterday pretty instantly too...so... you think vivax is a pissed off townie who was trying hard all phase to get one of his lynches, then a bunch of afks showed up and just rando lynched disregarding all his work right? and then he is just throwing a tantrum trying to force a lynch onto his scum read by fake claiming a check and fucking off? where is the upside in that play as VT? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On May 21 2017 21:38 Vivax wrote: Btw palmar no matter your alignment it was as always a great pleasure and privilege to play a game with you. Muchos enjoyable. this is how vivax treats scum reads that put up good fights when he's town | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On June 07 2017 06:34 ritoky wrote: well you got there yesterday pretty instantly too...so... you think vivax is a pissed off townie who was trying hard all phase to get one of his lynches, then a bunch of afks showed up and just rando lynched disregarding all his work right? and then he is just throwing a tantrum trying to force a lynch onto his scum read by fake claiming a check and fucking off? where is the upside in that play as VT? I've seen a lot of tantrums. But that isn't my point. Why are you trying to make me look scummy for arguing Vivax is VT when you were clearly just considering that possibility. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On June 07 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote: I've seen a lot of tantrums. But that isn't my point. Why are you trying to make me look scummy for arguing Vivax is VT when you were clearly just considering that possibility. Sorry I forgot I can't talk to you without you randomly trying to turn everything into an argument. My bad. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On June 07 2017 06:38 ritoky wrote: Sorry I forgot I can't talk to you without you randomly trying to turn everything into an argument. My bad. Seriously? This wasn't me being antagonistic. What would you think if I said "I don't understand how Ritoky got to X scum, but I guess that's to be expected." That's antagonistic imo. I have a genuine question and would like a genuine answer. Clearly you were considering Vivax VT in your earlier post. Either now you're trying to make me look scummy for making that argument and backtracking, or you're just being snarky and then complaining that I questioned you for it. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
Yes it was, you're taking a question of me trying to understand your thought process and how you got to the headspace you're in so that MAYBE one day if there's a cop with 4 green checks on you I can begin to reconsider your alignment; and rather than just answer it, you're trying to make it sound like an accusation and start a fight with me again. "to be expected" is not antagonistic, it is just reality. I think you're the opposite alignment, and I think you're making conclusions then after the fact constructing narratives to support those conclusions. So it is only natural that I don't understand how you got to where you are since in my opinion it is made up. I did this thing, it is called process. I said "well, i am pretty sure he is fake. i am leaning mafia let me consider this further." "if he was vt what does he have to gain from this?" "i can't think of anything right now, so he is probably mafia." "hey this guy thinks he is vt, hey guy who thinks he is vt what upside is there for vivax to make this play if he is vt?"; guy's response: "fuck you fight me, you're mafia" But like I said you are sucking the modicum of joy I get from this game out of it and I don't feel well enough to deal with that, so I am just going to leave. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
If you really just wanted me to elaborate more on my read then you should have done so rather than making what looks like a dig against me. On June 07 2017 06:25 ritoky wrote: voted on vivax i don't understand how grack got to vivax vt, but i guess that's to be expected. And you don't have to respond to this I'm walking off. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
 come on guys we're all in this together unless one of you is scum in which case you should PRETEND to be all in this together ((( | ||
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Vivax
22191 Posts
This is HF from last game (mafia in generic II) attacking his teammate D1 and doing nothing with it. He just jumps from calling this guy mafia to pushing crap on someone else to jumping onto someone else again and again and again basically calling anyone who has any content whatsoever mafia/scummy at some point for whatever reason. A thing which people call driving the game forward cause it's tempting to think that when you see it. But in truth it just means HF doesn't have any real scumreads at any point in the game, just like in this one. On May 11 2017 08:46 Holyflare wrote: Are you saying I'm town without actually saying I'm town? I hate almost everything you wrote. On May 11 2017 08:49 Holyflare wrote: Why has your read on me suddenly flipped when nothing has changed since what you have said about me?? I mean.... 50% of your reads don't even have alignments attached to them so it's almost entirely worthless? On May 11 2017 16:16 Holyflare wrote: Can you explain this then? What exactly were you wrong about and why? This is HF this game (mafia) pushing on his teammate and doing nothing with it. He proceeds to start pushing suspicion on town! LS right afterwards and then somehow at EoD he ends up trying to push a lynch on the doc after defending the alleged coinflip BH all game who did fudge all during D1 and is currently even clueless as to why he's surviving after being openly scummy. On June 04 2017 20:27 Holyflare wrote: How on earth can you have both TW and I as scummy but want to lynch TW when I've been the biggest proponent to his lynch? On June 04 2017 20:29 Holyflare wrote: That list is so bull shit. If you think I haven't done enough then I'm null. But then you want to lynch my scum read for reasons I've outlined and that you apparently support. But I'm mafia on your list instead of null/towny which I should be if you agree with me. No. That doesn't add up at all. On June 04 2017 20:35 Holyflare wrote: This is hot garbage too. Not only is my LS read not wrong (he definitely ignored the interaction and even said so) but I'm pushing the person you directly think is mafia. You even reference he's still looking like mafia in your second paragraph, for more of the reasons I'm still outlining! Your return list post also cites his bad Grack read and BH read, which again, I pushed. No way you can simultaneously think these things in any sort of thought progression but still have me scummy. I was at a wedding and not doing much and pushing your scum read for things you agree about. So why am I still mafia? And this is a TMI post On June 06 2017 15:56 Holyflare wrote: I mean i don't have anything to add other than vote vivax even if he's fake claiming. It's his own fault if he's throwing when we're in a good spot. Not particularly hard to differentiate between us either. Vivax has pushed trash all game and he's mad mafia flipped :D He's been calling me scummy for a variety of reasons all game (like pushing BH doing nothing) and when he sees my claim he should be like "oh, this is vivax going for a 1 on 1 trade." And he should never think that this is me fakeclaiming AS TOWN if any of his previous reasons for me being mafia are something he actually believed in at any time. So this post shouldn't exist in a town!HF world. On June 07 2017 03:54 Holyflare wrote: I will play my trap card if you don't lynch vivax. Nobody wants that. And make him reveal what this trap card is which you won't achieve if you vote for me instead of him. What he's doing here is softing that he's actually blue but he won't see himself forced to claim if you don't threaten him. Threaten HF. I don't care if you decide to be dumb at the end of the day and lynch me instead but this entire day the wagon needs to be on HF and force him to be on the defensive and play with open cards. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On June 07 2017 08:31 Vivax wrote: My butthurt levels have gone down a bit, so I'll play sporadically and maybe (but I don't bank on it) stop you from doing something as monumentally dumb as lynching a cop with no cc. Glad to see you're feeling better, Vivax. If you could possibly spare a moment for me, it would help convince me to potentially vote HF over you. You see, I'm eager to understand the events that lead up to this post: On June 06 2017 12:53 Vivax wrote: Morning. I'm cop and redchecked HF (in spite of his BS vet claim at the end of the night). Now what's going to happen is: You're all going to go ham on whether cop and doc is likely in this setup. Everyone will either vote HF or me as it should be. At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments. Now I will park my vote on HF, and probably afk until the end of the day when I check in to see if he got lynched. I literally don't care who you vote, but it has to be one of us. Overnight, you made a very small number of posts. You made a few just after the end of D1: On June 05 2017 09:11 Vivax wrote: He was green this is a bastard game On June 05 2017 09:17 Vivax wrote: Well I'm not mad cause BH is still mafia. If he is town I will be mad and bad, otherwise I feel no shame for defending fidei. On June 05 2017 09:17 Vivax wrote: So whoever wants to prove I'm bad has to lynch BH. 10/10 argument for lynching BH. And one somewhat into the night: On June 06 2017 05:42 Vivax wrote: Yea well if you think I'm mafia for afking this game shoot me tonight cause I'm pulling a rayn and will be afk. Just gonna vote when either of HF or BH gets lynched and make a token post during the day. Could you tell me when you made the decision to check HF, and how you crumbed it? Also tell me a bit about the rationale you had for claiming cop today. Thanks man, hope you're feeling better, and I really appreciate you coming back to the thread. It's the right thing to do. | ||
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Vivax
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On June 07 2017 08:56 Vivax wrote: BH you can be friendly all you want but if you keep not having an opinion on HF with the evidence posted I don't feel the obligation to answer any of your questions. Please Vivax, PLEASE it's so simple, it's so INTEGRAL to your claim, and you know it! you could have typed it out in the moment it took you to make that post. Come on man, work with me here, not because you're obligated to, but because it's the right thing to do. I can't MAKE you do anything, but if you're town we're on the same side here buddy. Just gimme this much, ok? It'll help! | ||
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Vivax
22191 Posts
On June 07 2017 08:59 Blazinghand wrote: Please Vivax, PLEASE it's so simple, it's so INTEGRAL to your claim, and you know it! you could have typed it out in the moment it took you to make that post. Come on man, work with me here, not because you're obligated to, but because it's the right thing to do. I can't MAKE you do anything, but if you're town we're on the same side here buddy. Just gimme this much, ok? It'll help! 1. I don't crumb. 2. I claim cause I found scum. Now can you type out what makes you townread HF this game? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On June 07 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote: 1. I don't crumb. 2. I claim cause I found scum. Now can you type out what makes you townread HF this game? I really appreciate that reply and I know it wasn't easy for you. Could you also tell me what time you decided to check HF instead of me? Sorry again about the trouble. And, I know you're discussing things in good faith so I'll do so as well. Why not lynch HF? Well, he's basically sounded tryhard, though yes, I know he could do this as Scum, he also called me a 50/50 early on which is pretty accurate (whereas he could have tried to defend me with a legit townread to look good after I flipped if lynched) given the info he had. Yeah, it's not a solid TR on him. But I like him and he's fun to play with, which influences me as well. Really though, not gonna lie here Vivax I think it's a lot more a case of "jesus christ let's just get rid of this guy" when it comes to you. Up until about an hour ago I figured you were gonna AFK all day, and the way you reacted to the D1 lynch seemed at its core not to come from the mindset of a townie. On top of that, RNG, man, RNG. But also when I think about it, you know, the effort put forth from you was really bad. And if you make it a situation where like, either you or HF is scum, it's hard from the PoV of "HF is generally playing well and engaging people for the last 48 hours" and "Vivax has been really down and having trouble being involved, and seemed particularly upset that we lynched scum" to justify a vote on HF. That being said, I can be convinced. But that's basically my reasoning. Like, even if you flip scum for example I don't think that absolves HF, he's a smooth operator. He's a good player. So are you, of course, but HF knows how to talk to talk. I think he could do this as scum, I even think he could do a double bus as scum and try to pull it off. I don't think it's likely you're both scum, but it's possible, and moreso than with like, a normal player. | ||
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Vivax
22191 Posts
On June 07 2017 09:23 Blazinghand wrote: I really appreciate that reply and I know it wasn't easy for you. Could you also tell me what time you decided to check HF instead of me? Sorry again about the trouble. And, I know you're discussing things in good faith so I'll do so as well. Why not lynch HF? Well, he's basically sounded tryhard, though yes, I know he could do this as Scum, he also called me a 50/50 early on which is pretty accurate (whereas he could have tried to defend me with a legit townread to look good after I flipped if lynched) given the info he had. Yeah, it's not a solid TR on him. But I like him and he's fun to play with, which influences me as well. Really though, not gonna lie here Vivax I think it's a lot more a case of "jesus christ let's just get rid of this guy" when it comes to you. Up until about an hour ago I figured you were gonna AFK all day, and the way you reacted to the D1 lynch seemed at its core not to come from the mindset of a townie. On top of that, RNG, man, RNG. But also when I think about it, you know, the effort put forth from you was really bad. And if you make it a situation where like, either you or HF is scum, it's hard from the PoV of "HF is generally playing well and engaging people for the last 48 hours" and "Vivax has been really down and having trouble being involved, and seemed particularly upset that we lynched scum" to justify a vote on HF. That being said, I can be convinced. But that's basically my reasoning. Like, even if you flip scum for example I don't think that absolves HF, he's a smooth operator. He's a good player. So are you, of course, but HF knows how to talk to talk. I think he could do this as scum, I even think he could do a double bus as scum and try to pull it off. I don't think it's likely you're both scum, but it's possible, and moreso than with like, a normal player. Then plynch the cop and be open about it but don't pretend that you're an operator and someone calls 911 and instead of asking where the emergency is and what it is, you ask if it's not a prank and what your favourite ice cream flavour is. Cause "did you crumb" and "why are you claiming cop when you find mafia" are questions of that sort. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On June 07 2017 09:33 Vivax wrote: Then plynch the cop and be open about it but don't pretend that you're an operator and someone calls 911 and instead of asking where the emergency is and what it is, you ask if it's not a prank and what your favourite ice cream flavour is. Cause "did you crumb" and "why are you claiming cop when you find mafia" are questions of that sort. Ah sorry if I came off as overaggressive with those questions. And it's not a policy lynch of "the cop who has a red check on someone" because that's not the policy. In fact, if anything, the policy is to lynch the guy who there's a redcheck on. What's happening right now is a strong push against the policy, because of the unique circumstances. | ||
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Vivax
22191 Posts
On June 07 2017 09:37 Blazinghand wrote: Ah sorry if I came off as overaggressive with those questions. And it's not a policy lynch of "the cop who has a red check on someone" because that's not the policy. In fact, if anything, the policy is to lynch the guy who there's a redcheck on. What's happening right now is a strong push against the policy, because of the unique circumstances. You didn't come off as overaggressive you just come off as trying to generate irrelevant drivel as proven by your opinion not being affected by those questions at all. Cause the answer to those questions is proven 100% irrelevant to you considering this followup. You and HF are 100% mafia. | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On June 07 2017 06:01 Grackaroni wrote: Here's the thing that I think people are overlooking: Vivax was pretty annoyed even before we consolidated on Fidei. So he's mad beforehand that people aren't killing BH for doing nothing, and then he finds out that his read on Fidei was bad and now people are scum reading him. He thinks that he was one of the only ones who put good reasoning and effort into his pushes this game and that other people just got rewarded for playing stupidly. People that think this would be a good strategic play to try to trade 1 for 1 with HF are completely off the mark. Vivax was in a worse spot than he was yesterday but he was very far from the definite lynch today. I think he is legitimately angry and most of the time the angry player is just a butt-hurt townie. (I also don't think he's mafia just because he has had a pretty similar thought process to me throughout the game and has backed up a lot of my reads.) Exactly my thoughts. Im not lynching Vibax over Hf. No way. | ||
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