Newbie Student Mafia XXVI - Page 66

On June 07 2017 06:26 Grackaroni wrote:

Is that so? It seemed like you were half the way there.

On May 21 2017 21:38 Vivax wrote:
Btw palmar no matter your alignment it was as always a great pleasure and privilege to play a game with you. Muchos enjoyable.

On June 07 2017 06:34 ritoky wrote:


well you got there yesterday pretty instantly too...so...

you think vivax is a pissed off townie who was trying hard all phase to get one of his lynches, then a bunch of afks showed up and just rando lynched disregarding all his work right? and then he is just throwing a tantrum trying to force a lynch onto his scum read by fake claiming a check and fucking off?

where is the upside in that play as VT?

On June 07 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote:

I've seen a lot of tantrums.

But that isn't my point. Why are you trying to make me look scummy for arguing Vivax is VT when you were clearly just considering that possibility.

On June 07 2017 06:38 ritoky wrote:


Sorry I forgot I can't talk to you without you randomly trying to turn everything into an argument. My bad.

On June 07 2017 06:25 ritoky wrote:
voted on vivax

i don't understand how grack got to vivax vt, but i guess that's to be expected.

On May 11 2017 08:45 Holyflare wrote:




U wut?

On May 11 2017 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
Are you saying I'm town without actually saying I'm town? I hate almost everything you wrote.

On May 11 2017 08:49 Holyflare wrote:
Why has your read on me suddenly flipped when nothing has changed since what you have said about me?? I mean.... 50% of your reads don't even have alignments attached to them so it's almost entirely worthless?

On May 11 2017 16:16 Holyflare wrote:


Can you explain this then? What exactly were you wrong about and why?

On June 04 2017 20:27 Holyflare wrote:
How on earth can you have both TW and I as scummy but want to lynch TW when I've been the biggest proponent to his lynch?

On June 04 2017 20:29 Holyflare wrote:
That list is so bull shit. If you think I haven't done enough then I'm null. But then you want to lynch my scum read for reasons I've outlined and that you apparently support.

But I'm mafia on your list instead of null/towny which I should be if you agree with me.

No. That doesn't add up at all.

On June 04 2017 20:35 Holyflare wrote:


This is hot garbage too. Not only is my LS read not wrong (he definitely ignored the interaction and even said so) but I'm pushing the person you directly think is mafia. You even reference he's still looking like mafia in your second paragraph, for more of the reasons I'm still outlining!

Your return list post also cites his bad Grack read and BH read, which again, I pushed.

No way you can simultaneously think these things in any sort of thought progression but still have me scummy. I was at a wedding and not doing much and pushing your scum read for things you agree about.

So why am I still mafia?

On June 06 2017 15:56 Holyflare wrote:
I mean i don't have anything to add other than vote vivax even if he's fake claiming. It's his own fault if he's throwing when we're in a good spot.

Not particularly hard to differentiate between us either. Vivax has pushed trash all game and he's mad mafia flipped :D

On June 07 2017 03:54 Holyflare wrote:
I will play my trap card if you don't lynch vivax. Nobody wants that.

On June 07 2017 08:31 Vivax wrote:
My butthurt levels have gone down a bit, so I'll play sporadically and maybe (but I don't bank on it) stop you from doing something as monumentally dumb as lynching a cop with no cc.

On June 06 2017 12:53 Vivax wrote:
Morning.
I'm cop and redchecked HF (in spite of his BS vet claim at the end of the night).

Now what's going to happen is:

You're all going to go ham on whether cop and doc is likely in this setup.

Everyone will either vote HF or me as it should be.

At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments.

Now I will park my vote on HF, and probably afk until the end of the day when I check in to see if he got lynched. I literally don't care who you vote, but it has to be one of us.

On June 05 2017 09:11 Vivax wrote:
He was green this is a bastard game

On June 05 2017 09:17 Vivax wrote:
Well I'm not mad cause BH is still mafia. If he is town I will be mad and bad, otherwise I feel no shame for defending fidei.

On June 05 2017 09:17 Vivax wrote:
So whoever wants to prove I'm bad has to lynch BH. 10/10 argument for lynching BH.

On June 06 2017 05:42 Vivax wrote:
Yea well if you think I'm mafia for afking this game shoot me tonight cause I'm pulling a rayn and will be afk.
Just gonna vote when either of HF or BH gets lynched and make a token post during the day.

On June 07 2017 08:56 Vivax wrote:
BH you can be friendly all you want but if you keep not having an opinion on HF with the evidence posted I don't feel the obligation to answer any of your questions.

On June 07 2017 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:


Please Vivax, PLEASE it's so simple, it's so INTEGRAL to your claim, and you know it! you could have typed it out in the moment it took you to make that post. Come on man, work with me here, not because you're obligated to, but because it's the right thing to do. I can't MAKE you do anything, but if you're town we're on the same side here buddy. Just gimme this much, ok? It'll help!

On June 07 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:


1. I don't crumb.
2. I claim cause I found scum.

Now can you type out what makes you townread HF this game?

On June 07 2017 09:23 Blazinghand wrote:


I really appreciate that reply and I know it wasn't easy for you. Could you also tell me what time you decided to check HF instead of me? Sorry again about the trouble. And, I know you're discussing things in good faith so I'll do so as well.

Why not lynch HF? Well, he's basically sounded tryhard, though yes, I know he could do this as Scum, he also called me a 50/50 early on which is pretty accurate (whereas he could have tried to defend me with a legit townread to look good after I flipped if lynched) given the info he had. Yeah, it's not a solid TR on him. But I like him and he's fun to play with, which influences me as well.

Really though, not gonna lie here Vivax I think it's a lot more a case of "jesus christ let's just get rid of this guy" when it comes to you. Up until about an hour ago I figured you were gonna AFK all day, and the way you reacted to the D1 lynch seemed at its core not to come from the mindset of a townie. On top of that, RNG, man, RNG. But also when I think about it, you know, the effort put forth from you was really bad. And if you make it a situation where like, either you or HF is scum, it's hard from the PoV of "HF is generally playing well and engaging people for the last 48 hours" and "Vivax has been really down and having trouble being involved, and seemed particularly upset that we lynched scum" to justify a vote on HF.

That being said, I can be convinced. But that's basically my reasoning. Like, even if you flip scum for example I don't think that absolves HF, he's a smooth operator. He's a good player. So are you, of course, but HF knows how to talk to talk. I think he could do this as scum, I even think he could do a double bus as scum and try to pull it off. I don't think it's likely you're both scum, but it's possible, and moreso than with like, a normal player.

On June 07 2017 09:33 Vivax wrote:


Then plynch the cop and be open about it but don't pretend that you're an operator and someone calls 911 and instead of asking where the emergency is and what it is, you ask if it's not a prank and what your favourite ice cream flavour is. Cause "did you crumb" and "why are you claiming cop when you find mafia" are questions of that sort.

On June 07 2017 09:37 Blazinghand wrote:


Ah sorry if I came off as overaggressive with those questions. And it's not a policy lynch of "the cop who has a red check on someone" because that's not the policy. In fact, if anything, the policy is to lynch the guy who there's a redcheck on. What's happening right now is a strong push against the policy, because of the unique circumstances.

On June 07 2017 06:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Here's the thing that I think people are overlooking:
Vivax was pretty annoyed even before we consolidated on Fidei.








So he's mad beforehand that people aren't killing BH for doing nothing, and then he finds out that his read on Fidei was bad and now people are scum reading him. He thinks that he was one of the only ones who put good reasoning and effort into his pushes this game and that other people just got rewarded for playing stupidly.

People that think this would be a good strategic play to try to trade 1 for 1 with HF are completely off the mark. Vivax was in a worse spot than he was yesterday but he was very far from the definite lynch today. I think he is legitimately angry and most of the time the angry player is just a butt-hurt townie.

(I also don't think he's mafia just because he has had a pretty similar thought process to me throughout the game and has backed up a lot of my reads.)