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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 20 2017 17:57 GMT
#3141
On June 20 2017 17:32 Holyflare wrote:
Just afk next time?

Ironically that what kita said >.>
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
June 20 2017 18:00 GMT
#3142
I voted 9 player games although ideally 5-6+ newbies per game is better, but I think making people wait months will scare them away
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 20 2017 20:31 GMT
#3143
Hate you all. I led a Day 1 lynch on Scum. Got shot N1 over HF and BH. Any you dummies still lost.
Try TL Mafia!!!
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 20 2017 23:09 GMT
#3144
On June 21 2017 05:31 Onegu wrote:
Hate you all. I led a Day 1 lynch on Scum. Got shot N1 over HF and BH. Any you dummies still lost.


killed cuz #respekt
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 22 2017 12:24 GMT
#3145
First of all sorry for kitaman for being such a terrible co-host. My shifts got changed for the last two weeks so i had basically time to work and sleep and whenever i could do something it was on phone. Doing votecounts on phone takes like an hour because i hate touch screens. Fortunately all went well, and i just focused on loosely following the game whenever i could and looked everything plays out fine.

That being said i think LS needs a ban for conceding as town and playing against his wincondition in LYLO. There is no way to continue game after that post.

There are also many things to be learnt from this game if anyone cares.

- When someone comes into the game and a few hours into the game calls about 8 people scum they are usually mafia. I got honestly super "wtfffff" when i had read that particular Fidei post, went to the google docs and didn't see ritoky as mafia (as my phone has some ad or some notification that blocks the last few names from the list) since ritoky's reaction to the post was quite telling aswell.

- Grackaroni had the game 90% in the bag on D2. Unfortunately Vivax blew D2 and it all went forgotten. I sent this to kitaman:
See what happened a while ago. Just what i was talking about. Grackaroni gives 3 scumreads and nails both remaining mafia, but "if Vivax is town...". Holyflare, BH and Vivax all agree on that... if only vivax didnt do dumb things...

Then, based on Vivax' claim they get sidetracked onto btdt and other dumb stuff.

Wanna bet this "if vivax flips town then.." transforms into something completely different after vivax dies and noone remembers any of the good shit ppl said d2?

The moral of the story is don't do dumb things like fakeclaim cop because all the good stuff goes forgotten when you waste the day.

- It kinda should have been very easy to tell who is the one of the blues fakeclaiming. The way Holyflare reacted to Vivax' fake check was a strong indicator he is not mafia, and blue. It was like he knew he is not gonna get lynched and not in a way like greens do. It was more like "fuck you, i also have this claim in my back pocket so you literally can't lynch me here ever". If Tumblewood was mafia they would not (well at least i know i never would) waste the roleblock into keeping Tumblewood alive for 2 nights since he can just claim he protted someone else (like HF for example N1) as the night kills were on people not usually protected. It doesn't make Tumblewood look any worse if he says "i was on Holyflare N1 since i think Holyflare is the best player in the game". However ritoky's claim was super sketchy since ritoky posted he doesn't know which one of Tumble and HF is mafia. If that was the case you ALWAYS check into those two as a cop. Always. That's it, that made ritoky's claim fake.

- When you have confirmed mafia you lynch it. Not only was the town's reasoning to NOT lynch ritoky D4 bad, but the town didn't even follow their own reasoning why they didn't lynch him... There is also the moral factor. When you lynch mafia people are like "yeah guys one more to go let's kill the last scum!!!", but if you don't and you hit town, people usually go "fuck we should have just lynched the mafia ". It affects on people and their motivation, it really does.

That's pretty much all. gg and gratz to scum.
table for two on a tv tray
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 22 2017 17:22 GMT
#3146
On June 22 2017 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
First of all sorry for kitaman for being such a terrible co-host. My shifts got changed for the last two weeks so i had basically time to work and sleep and whenever i could do something it was on phone. Doing votecounts on phone takes like an hour because i hate touch screens. Fortunately all went well, and i just focused on loosely following the game whenever i could and looked everything plays out fine.

That being said i think LS needs a ban for conceding as town and playing against his wincondition in LYLO. There is no way to continue game after that post.

There are also many things to be learnt from this game if anyone cares.

- When someone comes into the game and a few hours into the game calls about 8 people scum they are usually mafia. I got honestly super "wtfffff" when i had read that particular Fidei post, went to the google docs and didn't see ritoky as mafia (as my phone has some ad or some notification that blocks the last few names from the list) since ritoky's reaction to the post was quite telling aswell.

- Grackaroni had the game 90% in the bag on D2. Unfortunately Vivax blew D2 and it all went forgotten. I sent this to kitaman:
Show nested quote +
See what happened a while ago. Just what i was talking about. Grackaroni gives 3 scumreads and nails both remaining mafia, but "if Vivax is town...". Holyflare, BH and Vivax all agree on that... if only vivax didnt do dumb things...

Then, based on Vivax' claim they get sidetracked onto btdt and other dumb stuff.

Wanna bet this "if vivax flips town then.." transforms into something completely different after vivax dies and noone remembers any of the good shit ppl said d2?

The moral of the story is don't do dumb things like fakeclaim cop because all the good stuff goes forgotten when you waste the day.

- It kinda should have been very easy to tell who is the one of the blues fakeclaiming. The way Holyflare reacted to Vivax' fake check was a strong indicator he is not mafia, and blue. It was like he knew he is not gonna get lynched and not in a way like greens do. It was more like "fuck you, i also have this claim in my back pocket so you literally can't lynch me here ever". If Tumblewood was mafia they would not (well at least i know i never would) waste the roleblock into keeping Tumblewood alive for 2 nights since he can just claim he protted someone else (like HF for example N1) as the night kills were on people not usually protected. It doesn't make Tumblewood look any worse if he says "i was on Holyflare N1 since i think Holyflare is the best player in the game". However ritoky's claim was super sketchy since ritoky posted he doesn't know which one of Tumble and HF is mafia. If that was the case you ALWAYS check into those two as a cop. Always. That's it, that made ritoky's claim fake.

- When you have confirmed mafia you lynch it. Not only was the town's reasoning to NOT lynch ritoky D4 bad, but the town didn't even follow their own reasoning why they didn't lynch him... There is also the moral factor. When you lynch mafia people are like "yeah guys one more to go let's kill the last scum!!!", but if you don't and you hit town, people usually go "fuck we should have just lynched the mafia ". It affects on people and their motivation, it really does.

That's pretty much all. gg and gratz to scum.

On June 20 2017 05:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Kitaman just put 3 game ban for me post game.

May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
June 22 2017 18:28 GMT
#3147
Speaking as a player and not a ban list manager, I am more concerned that a single town player was even allowed to concede (like why did the hosts even do anything, LS saying "I concede" should be meaningless) than the fact that said town player tried. Were I the host of this game, I'd just ignore any town or mafia player claiming they were "conceding" in the thread. Mafia can concede if all living Mafia agree with it in the QT or in PMs. Town cannot concede.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-22 19:55:40
June 22 2017 19:41 GMT
#3148
I'd say this was more of a modkill than a concession. If this were day one, he would have flipped at the deadline and the game would have continued. Unfortunately, when he was removed there was only 1 mafia and 1 town remaining so it resulted in a mafia victory. Discussing bans while the game is ongoing is against the rules according to the OP. LS was already playing under a warning due to his derogatory remarks earlier in the game.

I think it would be a poor precedent to allow players to post in the thread requesting mod actions in exchange for "town cred". Conversion may have seen those posts and think to himself "Well the game is still going on. If he's mafia then he would have just conceded, so he must be town!". While Conversion may have interpreted those posts as being completely irrelevant to his alignment, I had to make a judgement call that his posts broke the rules. When LS posted about the ban, it clearly shows that he knew what he was doing wasn't allowed. It definitely wasn't the outcome I wanted to see for an otherwise entertaining game either.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-22 19:47:14
June 22 2017 19:46 GMT
#3149
On June 23 2017 04:41 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd say this was more of a modkill than a concession. If this were day one, he would have flipped at the deadline and the game would have continued. Unfortunately, when he was removed there was only 1 mafia and 1 town remaining so it resulted in a mafia victory. Discussing bans while the game is ongoing is against the rules according to the OP. LS was already playing under a warning due to his derogatory remarks earlier in the game.

I think it would be a poor precedent to allow players to post in the thread requesting mod actions in exchange for "town cred". Conversion may have seen those posts and think to himself "Well the game is still going on. If he's mafia then he would have just conceded, so he must be town!". While Conversion may have interpreted those posts as being completely irrelevant to his alignment, I had to make a judgement call that his posts broke the rules. It definitely wasn't the outcome I wanted to see for an otherwise entertaining game either.

And that why I think a 3 game ban is fine. No one but me and you(idk if Rayn knew) knew I was playing under a warning. Anyways have fun next month kita that island is perfect for surfing ;D
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-22 19:55:19
June 22 2017 19:55 GMT
#3150
On June 23 2017 04:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 04:41 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd say this was more of a modkill than a concession. If this were day one, he would have flipped at the deadline and the game would have continued. Unfortunately, when he was removed there was only 1 mafia and 1 town remaining so it resulted in a mafia victory. Discussing bans while the game is ongoing is against the rules according to the OP. LS was already playing under a warning due to his derogatory remarks earlier in the game.

I think it would be a poor precedent to allow players to post in the thread requesting mod actions in exchange for "town cred". Conversion may have seen those posts and think to himself "Well the game is still going on. If he's mafia then he would have just conceded, so he must be town!". While Conversion may have interpreted those posts as being completely irrelevant to his alignment, I had to make a judgement call that his posts broke the rules. It definitely wasn't the outcome I wanted to see for an otherwise entertaining game either.

And that why I think a 3 game ban is fine. No one but me and you(idk if Rayn knew) knew I was playing under a warning. Anyways have fun next month kita that island is perfect for surfing ;D


Thanks! Looking forward to it!

I might have to leave the surfing to the folks that actually know what they're doing though. Maybe I'll start small with a boogie board or something
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
June 22 2017 20:59 GMT
#3151
Understandable. The core issue is "there shouldn't be something that town can say that scum literally can't say" right? It has been some time since I hosted, but were I hosting I generally say that asking things in thread or trying to concede in thread is meaningless and anyone can say it. Scum can only concede via the Scum Quicktopic or PM. So everyone is free to claim they're conceding but it's all just words, words, words.

Of course this is coming from a guy who is willing to fake that he is moving to a new house in order to get out of posting. I'm quite anything-goes in terms of lying.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 22 2017 21:59 GMT
#3152
I think it's general practice that requesting mod actions in the thread is against the rules. There are things you can say to deceive the other team or prove your innocence, but any time that kind of post involves a host it goes against the spirit of the game in my opinion.

The OP states that requesting removal from the game in the thread is against the rules. The pre-game confirmation PM also included a reminder that communication with hosts should be done via PM and not in the thread. LS was already on a warning, knew what he was doing was wrong and I felt that martyring could potentially impact the outcome of the game so I flipped him. It's definitely not a black and white situation though so I can understand if you disagree.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
June 22 2017 22:04 GMT
#3153
Oh yeah he did say that here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi?page=156#3107

yeah that's really no bueno
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 22 2017 22:13 GMT
#3154
Can we just agree on my punishment already 3 games seem about right maybe more.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
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