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On March 26 2016 01:54 Trfel wrote:I almost want to play just so I can mislynch you.....
I almost want you to play just so I can mislynch you too <3
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On March 08 2016 06:00 Shapelog wrote:SET UP AND GAME INFORMATION [b]This game uses a semi-open C9++ setup. The list of possible roles will be revealed, but the number of each role will not. All roles aren't necessarily present. Multiple players may share the same role. The mafia will not be informed of the setup ahead of time. For this set up, I will random.org 7 numbers from 1-100. Depending on the number, they fall in certain categories: • 1-50 = T (Townie. This actually directly influences scum powerroles. and mafia strength) • 51-65 = C (Cop) • 66-75 = D (Doctor) • 76-85 = V (Vigilante) • 86-100 =N (Vet/Name VT)
I think an average of 3.5 blue roles is quite town favoured. Even if you add mafia roles to compensate, the fact that they can be claimed and that blue roles tend not to be lynched as well as the strength of cops vs mafia setups without a framer or godfather, or how strong 2 1-shot vigi's would be, I think you should reconsider the setup.
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On March 31 2016 07:50 Shapelog wrote:Have to put you in as replacement due to it being full if you do.
I'd imagine it's an idea to fill the rest up with vets though. Worried the newbies might leave if we don't start soonish.
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Are we starting tonight if we fill up?
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On April 01 2016 23:00 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 22:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Are we starting tonight if we fill up? I was thinking a Monday start cuz fuck weekend starts but if enough people petition it, i can start it today. I am flexible minus the dead line.
Sounds good to me. Did you pick a deadline time yet? You hven't updated the OP yet if so.
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Hello friends! I'm Town and absolutely not Mafia. Let's hunt those evil doers down!
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Through objective analysis I've deduced that Tumblewood, Spikasaur and Race Bannon are our 3 scum players. You may ask me why in the morning.
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On April 05 2016 10:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2016 10:51 LightningStrike wrote:On April 05 2016 10:41 GlowingBear wrote:On April 05 2016 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hello friends! I'm Town and absolutely not Mafia. Let's hunt those evil doers down! ##Vote: Artanis Ugh why the vote? I know he got his color mixed and all that but he probably was just looking for a reaction. It's always fun to vote artanis. + that joke was awkward
You're an awkward joke.
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On April 05 2016 16:14 boxerfred wrote:
Hey guys. Im town. Artanis thread entry sparks up discussion but he couldve done this without the color mix. I like TWs reaction and i dont like Standard GB yolo vote. Also Damdreds entry is useless banter without any use to it which doesnt feel like usual town damdred stuff.
Uh, how would my opening without the colours have sparked up any discussion?
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On April 06 2016 01:29 Spikasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2016 22:56 LightningStrike wrote:On April 05 2016 17:18 Spikasaur wrote:
Morning all Morning any thoughts so far? Eh... You were quick to go on about getting your wish to be town, which could easily be a seed planted for you to refer back to later on. Artanis was quick to throw some people under the bus based on ?? but then again I fully appreciate it gets a game rolling. I just wouldn't say it's massively townie type play though? DoYouHas so far seems pretty townie? I could easily be wrong, it's early days. "If we can get the newbies active they won't be easy scapegoats for scum and we should have a more productive d1." - if is how he really feels, that's gotta be townie, no? However Gossemerr does make a good counter point I guess. Not sure on others yet.
What exactly are you referring to when you say I'm throwing people under the bus?
On April 06 2016 03:45 CHodge wrote:
"...but it did spark discussion" is not an argument. I was hopeful people would actually discussing things by now.
We're discussing whether it sparked discussion or not.
Speaking of discussion, you seem to be throwing out a bunch of people you call good lynches but don't substantiate it with anything. Why don't you start?
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On April 06 2016 06:59 Spikasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2016 05:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 06 2016 01:29 Spikasaur wrote:On April 05 2016 22:56 LightningStrike wrote:On April 05 2016 17:18 Spikasaur wrote:
Morning all Morning any thoughts so far? Eh... You were quick to go on about getting your wish to be town, which could easily be a seed planted for you to refer back to later on. Artanis was quick to throw some people under the bus based on ?? but then again I fully appreciate it gets a game rolling. I just wouldn't say it's massively townie type play though? DoYouHas so far seems pretty townie? I could easily be wrong, it's early days. "If we can get the newbies active they won't be easy scapegoats for scum and we should have a more productive d1." - if is how he really feels, that's gotta be townie, no? However Gossemerr does make a good counter point I guess. Not sure on others yet. What exactly are you referring to when you say I'm throwing people under the bus?On April 06 2016 03:45 CHodge wrote:
"...but it did spark discussion" is not an argument. I was hopeful people would actually discussing things by now. We're discussing whether it sparked discussion or not. Speaking of discussion, you seem to be throwing out a bunch of people you call good lynches but don't substantiate it with anything. Why don't you start? You were right in with a shot based on nothing yet. Also apparently real world phrasing means something different on mafia. Just meant 'you placed blame' or what have you. \/ Show nested quote +On April 05 2016 09:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Through objective analysis I've deduced that Tumblewood, Spikasaur and Race Bannon are our 3 scum players. You may ask me why in the morning.
Well, the reasoning is purely objective. I am the paragon of townieness and my nickname starts with the first letter of the alphabet. Conclusively, we must deduct that the scummiest players are on the opposite side of the alphabet. Therefore there is no doubt in my mind that these three are our scummers.
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On April 06 2016 14:20 CHodge wrote:
For Artanis[Xp] being someone who seems to be deferred to for some extent of players, he/she has basically spent time doing relatively nothing. Interesting that for someone who seems to be a mainstay in these parts would neither drive nor lead discussion. Not an awful lynch, however I'm not terribly interested in lynching protoss. I'd rather nuke them if the option came up.
Pretending not to know me is pretty boring.
There's basically no one I have a strong opinion on so far. I find your strong opinion on RB to be pretty baseless. The comments you compared him with I find less interesting than RB's reads.
Liking DYH. I don't agree with his strong scumread on TW, but I think he believes what he's saying.
TW looks a little townie to me as well. The confidence in this post mostly:
On April 06 2016 13:57 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2016 13:21 DoYouHas wrote:I think TW is likely scum. His "damn, caught me" comment to Artanis' list caught my eye. Mafia are more likely to play off pressure (even fake pressure) as a joke instead of flatly denying. On April 05 2016 12:48 Tumblewood wrote:On April 05 2016 12:25 GlowingBear wrote:
What's your opinion on his opening, Tumblewood? I'm going to go case-read on this because I can't really judge which case it is yet. Case 1: Artanis is town and is using that post to judge people's reactions. Case 2: Artanis is town and is using that post to lighten up the thread and get things started. Case 3: Artanis is scum and is using that post to appear that he's trying to get reactions. Case 4: Artanis is scum and is using that post to appear carefree. Of these, case 4 is the worst and case 1 is probably the best. I think that his opening is NAI [for newbies, that stands for "Not Alignment Indicative"] for now. Your vote is entirely throwaway or entirely overweighted. Really it's just D1 start and we're reading into nothing. This post doesn't do anything. It's made to look like it does something but it argues itself into nothing. Step 1: let's analyze Art's play. Step 2: GB's vote was a waste and we are reading into nothing. ##Vote: TumblewoodThis also makes me suspicious of Art, but that is unflipped association for now. - @Damdred, I'm usually riding the same mental groove as you by now. I'm hoping you just aren't trying yet, because I disagree with you on LS, who seems pretty townie to me. - @The rest of you. Get talking. We can do better than the standard heavy activity right before deadline and a lame 47 other hours. If I end up being the activity police here we are in trouble. 1. That was a joke and also my first post. People respond like that all the time as both alignments. There is nothing alignment-indicative in that comment, so don't act like there is. 2. Funny, because you're similarly trying to make a read out of nothing. I knew there was no case there, the point was to prove that so we could stop trying to read it. I understand that it's a quiet D1 and there's nothing to go off of, but you're grasping at straws really hard here.
Basically taunting DYH into tunneling him more. I feel Mafia is likely to be more careful.
Prob willing to lynch GB or Spikasaur currently. GB because I thought he was going with my opening of starting up the game by pretending to be suspicious of me, but then doing nothing with it. Spikasaur because of the wishywashiness that CHodge already pointed out.
Putting my vote on GB for now. As I said pregame I intend to spend less time on the game because I tend to get carried away. Will be back from one hour before deadline till deadline.
##Vote GlowingBear
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Stop pretending to be marv, hf.
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On April 07 2016 04:30 Damdred wrote:
I actually think race has a good shot at bring town here, he seems pretty transparent even with a faulty process. But I understand it.
Ok so maybe gb could be a good lynch!
I have a pretty large pool atm I want to lynch into
And I still keep going back yo artanis basically doing nothing htm.
Almost the entire game including you has done basically nothing. Why are you singling me out? I don't get it especially since I indicated I wasn't going to put as much time in beforehand.
What do you think of gb?
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On April 07 2016 03:48 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 03:20 Race Bannon wrote:
I'm assuming mafia is a game where skill matters and you get better the more you play so if the majority is town and they converge and agree on someone being scummy the chance of being on to something is higher but even if notmit provides data for analysis. See, if the wisdom of crowds effect only occurs when people form ideas independently. If you make a read influenced by someone else agreeing, then the positive effect of majority weakens.
Do you believe RB believed what he said?
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GB you said that you didn't believe my intent was to gather reactions. What do you believe my intent was and why did you think it was scummy?
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On April 07 2016 04:52 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 04:30 Damdred wrote:
I actually think race has a good shot at bring town here, he seems pretty transparent even with a faulty process. But I understand it.
Ok so maybe gb could be a good lynch!
I have a pretty large pool atm I want to lynch into
And I still keep going back yo artanis basically doing nothing htm. Almost the entire game including you has done basically nothing. Why are you singling me out? I don't get it especially since I indicated I wasn't going to put as much time in beforehand. What do you think of gb? Because my expectations even with smaller effort is high for you. And to say I'm only singling you out is more than likely anexageration. As for gb could maybe lynch.
If you think I can do much in half an hour in a 5 page thread in which most people are discussing whether my opening sparked discussion or not I'm not sure what to say. Also yes, on that specific point you are singling me out.
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On April 07 2016 05:12 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 04:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
GB you said that you didn't believe my intent was to gather reactions. What do you believe my intent was and why did you think it was scummy? Art, I was just trying to develop discussion, I don't actually believe your opening have anything to read into. I do that kind of thing everytime as both alignment
I can actually buy that. I think you would as either alignment. I just think you would actually have some form of followup as town.
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On April 07 2016 05:17 Damdred wrote:
Obvious discrediting by gb is a go.
Anyway art I've mentioned several other people in the thread at different points I could lynch besides yourself so nah.
Like ls could lynch him to sadly.
Not the point. Point is you pinged me specifically for something that given what I said pregame and what has happened feels very arbitrary since you didn't call anyone else out for that reason.
The unfortunate part is that I don't think it actually makes you scum. It annoys me though.
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On April 07 2016 07:02 CHodge wrote:
I endorse glowingbear as the candidate to leave the island.
I endorse this endorsement.
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I'm also taking full credit when GB flips scum.
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On April 07 2016 07:16 Tumblewood wrote:
I don't understand this case for GB... It's because he did something to stir discussion but didn't make a play on it? I'm just not seeing very much there.
Basically for me it's:
-Pretend to be playing along with my discussion starter
-Does fuck all after
-Comes back to the thread with reads, never did anything with said discussion starter
-Calls boxerfred scum citing that he usually plays as scum and doesn't as town when he hasn't really done much at all yet. Also he hasn't dropped the Damdred read at all unlike what GB said.
Basically he hasn't followed up on what he said he was doing and his read on BF seems made up.
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On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip?
I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy.
RB, can you explain why that sequence happened?
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On April 07 2016 07:31 Damdred wrote:
And I vote boxer like a baddie.
Tumble and kur are interesting, I'd be willing to switch to either I think.
I don't really want to lynch either of them.
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Bleh his last post was 4 hours ago, he's probably not here 
Very annoying that both people I want to lynch are afk.
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Considering Fidei shenannies. Depends on if he rolled scum recently and would use dota as an excuse not to post D1.
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On April 07 2016 07:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Considering Fidei shenannies. Depends on if he rolled scum recently and would use dota as an excuse not to post D1.
Yeah his last game was Newbie XVIII where he rolled scum.
also dog barking goddamnit brb
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Okay I'm back.
Who's up for shenannies?
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Do we have the people to switch to Fidei? I really actually believe in him being far more likely to start playing dota 2h before deadline and not check in before as scum than as town.
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Let's do this
##Unvote
##Vote Fidei86
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On April 07 2016 07:50 CHodge wrote:
What about Race?
Could do Race too.
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Who would support a Race lynch?
Who would support a Fidei lynch?
Speak up asap.
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Okay let's see..
I'm fine with GB/Fidei/RB with no real preference, maybe slightly for Fidei
CHodge is fine with GB/Fidei/RB with a slight preference for RB
Spikasaur is fine with Fidei, ? on GB/RB
Damdred is fine with Fidei, not fine with GB/RB
Tumble is fine with GB, meh on Fidei, ? on RB
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With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town.
Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back:
On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened?
Fidei, please shit townie rainbows if you're actually town.
GlowingBear, please explain your BF read and thought process.
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On April 07 2016 08:08 Shapelog wrote:
[b]Boxer, Buster!, M9's test dummy and a veteran mythbuster! died
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2foUyup.gif)
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On April 07 2016 08:13 Damdred wrote:
I think fid kinda confirmed himself town almost with his last few posts when he thought he was dead hrm
When the votes were still this fluid and clearly not set in stone I can easily see it as scum.
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Regarding switching during deadline: Yeah, I switched because both GB and RB weren't there to defend themselves which, presumably, they actually couldn't be at. Fidei made it clear he could be there but then elected to play DotA instead 2 hours before deadline in a very small thread, which I found to be mafia indicative. I still think there's a chance he's scum but I'm not quite as excited as before. Fact that he put in a bunch of effort during the night as well as his flip in his read on me means I'm not really interested in lynching him atm.
Fidei, what's this link between me and Tumble you brought up, and are you still scumreading him? I saw something in your later posts about you being wrong on him. Does that mean you townread him now? And was your entire reasoning for scumreading me association with Tumble?
On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point?
Point is:
-You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably)
-You proceed to do the exact same thing
Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain.
Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above.
Still want to lynch GB and RB.
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DoYouHas do you have any new opinions since the flip? Who are your top scumreads?
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On April 08 2016 08:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Figured he was town based on some of his posts. Oh well. Time for hunting scum. Lex if you are here who you think is scum and why?
GB and RB. Stated so already in my earlier post at the bottom of the previous page.
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On April 08 2016 13:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? Fidei, please shit townie rainbows if you're actually town. GlowingBear, please explain your BF read and thought process. I can't be more clear than I have been, art. I thought his read progression was scummy then I voted him. That's all
You said in your read progression that he dropped his Damdred read which is not true at all since he said he still considered Damdred scummy. He just considered Tumblewood a better lynch as evidenced in his goddamn vote post.
On April 06 2016 17:05 boxerfred wrote:
Would lynch Damdred or Tumblewood thus far. Damdred basically for not being as good as town Damdred is normally, Tumblewood because he's switching between rational arguments, "you're bad/wrong" and this uncommiting wishywashyness.
##vote Tumblewood
Or, any lurker.
What did not make sense about his read progression, GB? Spell it out for me.
On April 08 2016 13:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I've read almost everything, kinda got bored at the last 3 pages.
Artanis how does it feel to be mafia?
You tell me m8.
Why am I mafia?
Fidei is your only reason for TRing GB that people have been going after him? That feels like a pretty shitty reason, especially given everyone abandoned ship on him in the end.
Also can you please stop townreading either RB or GB so we can lynch one of them? That would be nice.
Also also DYH where are you?
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On April 08 2016 17:39 Fidei86 wrote:
Yeah my reasons for town reading GB are seriously "eh".
I was sort of just hoping that there would be one scum between you, Damdred and GB and that you'd figure it out and tell me.
I'm quite sure Damdred isn't mafia. He had this little emotional bit where he lashed out at me for being annoyed at him and then apologized for it shortly after. If he was mafia, he either wouldn't have gotten upset about it or he wouldn't have apologized as it would've been intentional.
I'm also pretty sold on GB, especially if you're not mafia and with the way the votes moved. Despite a bunch of people not really liking GB, he never got more than 4 votes and no one really tried to get him lynched but me. I'm pretty sure his wagon was pure.
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On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS
Wait, you say you've changed your mind suggesting that you did actually think that pointing out his towniness was something scum would be more likely to do, yet afterwards you say that LS' motivation for it was scummy. Did you ever believe pointing out CHodge being town is scummy in itself or did it require context?
Do you have any scumreads beyond LS?
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Also what do you think of GB?
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On April 08 2016 19:44 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 19:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS Wait, you say you've changed your mind suggesting that you did actually think that pointing out his towniness was something scum would be more likely to do, yet afterwards you say that LS' motivation for it was scummy. Did you ever believe pointing out CHodge being town is scummy in itself or did it require context? Do you have any scumreads beyond LS? No, why aren't you scumreading LS? :
He's just meh to me, nothing really jumps out. I don't really have anything solid and I think GB and you look worse.
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On April 08 2016 19:48 Race Bannon wrote:Out of the 4 who lynched boxer maybe Damdred He's just not that invested in the game is why people are giving him a bad review I think.
So basically you think he's not invested, but people are being too hard on him?
He just gave a bunch of reads too. What did you think of them? Where do you stand on myself, for example?
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On April 08 2016 19:49 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 19:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:44 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 19:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS Wait, you say you've changed your mind suggesting that you did actually think that pointing out his towniness was something scum would be more likely to do, yet afterwards you say that LS' motivation for it was scummy. Did you ever believe pointing out CHodge being town is scummy in itself or did it require context? Do you have any scumreads beyond LS? No, why aren't you scumreading LS? : He's just meh to me, nothing really jumps out. I don't really have anything solid and I think GB and you look worse. Why?
GB because no followup and his reads are convenient (scumreading the person scumreading him, siding with Fidei, and if you're town defending potential lynchbait without really pushing it hard, TW push feels arbitrary). Feels like he's playing to survive more than anything.
You because I just don't really like most of your reads and some things that feel contradictory. I think I'm feeling slightly better about you though because you seem to be pretty confident in what you're saying.
On that note
##Vote Glowingbear
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On April 08 2016 19:55 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 19:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:48 Race Bannon wrote:Out of the 4 who lynched boxer maybe Damdred On April 08 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also what do you think of GB? He's just not that invested in the game is why people are giving him a bad review I think. So basically you think he's not invested, but people are being too hard on him? He just gave a bunch of reads too. What did you think of them? Where do you stand on myself, for example? I think you have the potential to find scum if you're town, you're just barking at the wrong tree, maybe you're even jealous or something that I have a good reason to vote someone and you're just flailing, I don't know you.
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Your reason for scumreading LS is bad and you didn't explain at all why you don't believe GB is scum. Your presumption that I would get jealous about your reasoning is ridiculous. If I thought you had a good case I would sheep it.
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On April 08 2016 21:33 Fidei86 wrote:
Artanis can you give me the juice on Racer? I'll read his filter now.
On April 08 2016 19:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 19:49 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 19:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:44 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 19:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy.
RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS Wait, you say you've changed your mind suggesting that you did actually think that pointing out his towniness was something scum would be more likely to do, yet afterwards you say that LS' motivation for it was scummy. Did you ever believe pointing out CHodge being town is scummy in itself or did it require context? Do you have any scumreads beyond LS? No, why aren't you scumreading LS? : He's just meh to me, nothing really jumps out. I don't really have anything solid and I think GB and you look worse. Why? GB because no followup and his reads are convenient (scumreading the person scumreading him, siding with Fidei, and if you're town defending potential lynchbait without really pushing it hard, TW push feels arbitrary). Feels like he's playing to survive more than anything. You because I just don't really like most of your reads and some things that feel contradictory. I think I'm feeling slightly better about you though because you seem to be pretty confident in what you're saying.On that note ##Vote Glowingbear
Also CHodge kill suggests that one or both are likely scum. Feeling p confident on dat GB scumread though. Especially since GB and RB are kinda ignoring each other.
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I also have absolutely no idea why GB thinks I'm scum.
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I just went through his filter twice and I don't see it. His initial read was a joke and his follow-up read has never been explained. He just provided a narrative for why I COULD be scum at EoD and hasn't brought up anything else. He's pinged out Damdred for a 'weird question' and then did nothing with it.
GB's filter is filled with things that either come out of nowhere or have no followup whatsoever. He is mafia.
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On April 08 2016 23:14 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 22:08 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS I thought CHodge was town but I didn't tell people to sheep me on that read -_- I guess you need to reread my filter on that part. Let's look at it again then Show nested quote +On April 06 2016 22:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and I think CHodge is Town for a few reasons.
1. His approach to the game is quite different than a normal newbie regarding Vet players like myself and Artanis.
2. He been more thinking critically than me and everyone else up to this point. Not in those words but this is a clear declaration of readyness to outsource scumhunting because he was oh so critical in his thinking, so much better than everyone else. You didn't say sheep him or die, but you would've if you weren't so afraid to get your hands dirty and vote for ke yourself.
It's normal for LS to default to other people's reads. He's lemming'd before when he has strong townreads. It does not make him mafia.
Address my GB read please.
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Get better Ian
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On April 09 2016 04:23 DoYouHas wrote:
Yeah... TW and Art are scum. GB very likely not scum, if only because his opening posts remind me of town GB and it is super unlikely that he would be scum with Art. Give me a bit to put together my cases on them.
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So can you folks who agree with a GB lynch vote for him?
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On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing
I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past.
There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other.
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On April 09 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote:Tumblewood+ Show Spoiler [My original thoughts] +On April 06 2016 13:21 DoYouHas wrote:I think TW is likely scum. His "damn, caught me" comment to Artanis' list caught my eye. Mafia are more likely to play off pressure (even fake pressure) as a joke instead of flatly denying. Show nested quote +On April 05 2016 12:48 Tumblewood wrote:On April 05 2016 12:25 GlowingBear wrote:
What's your opinion on his opening, Tumblewood? I'm going to go case-read on this because I can't really judge which case it is yet. Case 1: Artanis is town and is using that post to judge people's reactions. Case 2: Artanis is town and is using that post to lighten up the thread and get things started. Case 3: Artanis is scum and is using that post to appear that he's trying to get reactions. Case 4: Artanis is scum and is using that post to appear carefree. Of these, case 4 is the worst and case 1 is probably the best. I think that his opening is NAI [for newbies, that stands for "Not Alignment Indicative"] for now. Your vote is entirely throwaway or entirely overweighted. Really it's just D1 start and we're reading into nothing. This post doesn't do anything. It's made to look like it does something but it argues itself into nothing. Step 1: let's analyze Art's play. Step 2: GB's vote was a waste and we are reading into nothing. ##Vote: TumblewoodThis also makes me suspicious of Art, but that is unflipped association for now. He pushes all 3 wagons from D1. 2/3 of which are solid town, 3/3 I think are town. 1. Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 07:08 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm unconvinced by the case on LS, and skeptical of the case on RB (could easily just be a newbie who's not used to this). Boxerfred is a sensible if shallow case... I'm not feeling great about it, but there's really nothing better going on right now. 2. Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 07:25 Tumblewood wrote:On April 07 2016 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:16 Tumblewood wrote:
I don't understand this case for GB... It's because he did something to stir discussion but didn't make a play on it? I'm just not seeing very much there. Basically for me it's: -Pretend to be playing along with my discussion starter -Does fuck all after -Comes back to the thread with reads, never did anything with said discussion starter -Calls boxerfred scum citing that he usually plays as scum and doesn't as town when he hasn't really done much at all yet. Also he hasn't dropped the Damdred read at all unlike what GB said. Basically he hasn't followed up on what he said he was doing and his read on BF seems made up. Damn, looked back at that original BF read... I understand the read progression part, but "usually more useless as town" is not a reason for a read ever. I feel a lot stronger about this than boxerfred. ##Vote GB 3. Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 07:52 Tumblewood wrote:On April 07 2016 07:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay I'm back.
Who's up for shenannies? I assume you mean Fidei? I'd be up for shenannies if I thought they would work, but Fidei is a dice roll at best. Notice that even though he says he would be up for the shenanigans, he doesn't actually move his vote even though there was time, and it would have worked. This fits perfectly with the mafia tendency to split their votes when it is multiple town on the chopping block for EoD. - His list post doesn't add up: Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote:
top scum reads Fidei, Goss
scum leans RB, GB
top town reads CHodge, Damdred
town lean on LS
null on art and DYH
no read on Kura and Spike because they've done nothing yet First off, having Fidei as your top scumread when there is a huge reason to think he is town is dumb. Secondly, Goss is bigger scumread than GB at this point based on 1 post? GB held TW's vote for d1 based on more than that. Most importantly, "null on art". TW has defended Art twice, agreed with Art's case enough to vote for GB, and pushed Art's agenda with the shennanigans. For someone who clearly is siding with Art, a null read is just scum hedging.
That's a whole lotta associating going on around here. There's only a few points that aren't. Him not switching his vote when shenannies were going on (which also only matters if there's a scum in there, or scum can do anything so I'm not sure why you're using that as a point against him when you believe they're town). His defense on me whilst not townreading me is weird though but I didn't really think it was a defense, more of an explanation. Only point you really have going against TW is that he never switched to Fidei when that was his top scumread.
TW, why didn't you switch to Fidei when shenannies were happening?
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On April 09 2016 05:21 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing +1. You just wrote most of my case. I'll add that if Art was genuinely uncertain enough on your lynch that he would lead the shenanigans off of it, he would not have been so quick to jump right back on you. It seems to me that Art was trying to stay ahead of the curve, propose shenanigans before someone else could. Tie up votes on candidates he knew to be town.
Narrative. I switched to GB last minute when Fidei wasn't happening because I much preferred his lynch over BF.
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On April 09 2016 05:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 05:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past. There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other. is there something on day1 that made you think I'm town?
Early Day1 I thought you were aware of my intentions of getting the game started and played along, but then you having absolutely no followups whatsoever changed that. The few reads you threw out there in the last page were meh and this omgus narrative is, as you would put it, kinda boring.
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Might want to scroll down a tiny bit more dear.
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On April 09 2016 05:33 DoYouHas wrote:
Yes, you currently have your vote on GB. I'm talking about the EoD1, where you led the wagon on Fid and did not switch back to GB, which is what you are trying to tell me you did.
Oh, for some reason I remembered that I actually switched back to GB. In that case, what are you talking about in the sense of me being confident to jump back on him? He posted in between. The reason I started pushing him again is that A) Fidei looked better from his EoD posting even though I hated to admit it and B) I wanted to see more content from him. I wasn't certain, no, and I definitely wasn't certain during the night phase when I was pushing him either. I'm still not certain, but I think as time has gone he's more and more likely to be scum for the reasons I've mentioned.
Do you have a read on RB?
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On April 09 2016 05:59 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 05:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 09 2016 05:21 DoYouHas wrote:On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing +1. You just wrote most of my case. I'll add that if Art was genuinely uncertain enough on your lynch that he would lead the shenanigans off of it, he would not have been so quick to jump right back on you. It seems to me that Art was trying to stay ahead of the curve, propose shenanigans before someone else could. Tie up votes on candidates he knew to be town. Narrative. I switched to GB last minute when Fidei wasn't happening because I much preferred his lynch over BF. ??? I had the most votes until the last moment??? ????
When DYH said this thing about me changing back to GB I wasn't sure but figured I did and checked the vote thread before responding to it. When I saw my own vote I was like "yup that's right" and proceeded to fill in the blanks.
It was clear at the very EoD that people were antsy to get off of you again.
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On April 09 2016 06:10 Fidei86 wrote:
I mean that's just not true. Everyone moved onto me and nobody spoke against it. Damdred only moved off me at the last minute, without posting in the thread (has he even explained that yet??)
Then it might be because I was refreshing the thread. I dunno, there's no real reason for me to lie about this either way since it's very easy to check.
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On April 09 2016 06:14 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 09 2016 05:23 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2016 05:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past. There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other. is there something on day1 that made you think I'm town? Early Day1 I thought you were aware of my intentions of getting the game started and played along, but then you having absolutely no followups whatsoever changed that. The few reads you threw out there in the last page were meh and this omgus narrative is, as you would put it, kinda boring. Well, then I just confirm my theory that there wasn't a single thing that would make you be afraid of lynching me. It's not a narrative, Art. You have a guy you think is Mafia but you decide to vote someone else and keep this scumread alive. It doesn't make sense. In other words: what made you think that having shenannies was better than lynching me?
Because shit was hectic and my mind was going everywhere with all the lynches going on. I wanted to hear more from both you and RB and neither of you were there nor had a chance to be there, whereas Fidei did and elected not to. That drove me to want to lynch him.
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On April 09 2016 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 06:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 09 2016 06:14 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2016 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 09 2016 05:23 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2016 05:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past. There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other. is there something on day1 that made you think I'm town? Early Day1 I thought you were aware of my intentions of getting the game started and played along, but then you having absolutely no followups whatsoever changed that. The few reads you threw out there in the last page were meh and this omgus narrative is, as you would put it, kinda boring. Well, then I just confirm my theory that there wasn't a single thing that would make you be afraid of lynching me. It's not a narrative, Art. You have a guy you think is Mafia but you decide to vote someone else and keep this scumread alive. It doesn't make sense. In other words: what made you think that having shenannies was better than lynching me? Because shit was hectic and my mind was going everywhere with all the lynches going on. I wanted to hear more from both you and RB and neither of you were there nor had a chance to be there, whereas Fidei did and elected not to. That drove me to want to lynch him. Did you have any reason to scumread fidei?
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Okay guys, you know who we're not lynching today? Me. I'm going to make a long-ass post right the fuck now and you're all going to read it and realize how bad you were for ever even considering me as scum, after which I will slam dunk scumbear some more. If for whatever reason you don't want to lynch him we can also lynch scum bannon. To keep your interest in this post and read it all the way through, I have uploaded several entertaining images depicting emotions I expect these two fellows to have as they go through this post.
This post will contain narrative and self-meta. Deal with it.
You're mafia because you wanted people to shenanny to Fidei when you were scumreading both GB and RB!
First off, I have never* shenannied as mafia, whereas I have shenannied many times as town. I keep things simple as mafia, going for the safe plays over the fancy plays. I like to have control, not cause even more chaos like what happened. No one could've predicted what would happen at EoD and if any of the lead wagons were scum and Fidei is town, I could end up looking really bad and/or scum ends up getting lynched instead.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/45D0BED.gif) GB casually escaping the thread after realizing he's fucked
But GB brought up this point about how you could push him the day after if you're scum!
That is technically correct. However, it is also narrative. Another explanation is that I simply thought Fidei was the most likely to flip mafia given the fact that Fidei generally tryhards, finds out he's playing a game 2 hours before deadline and doesn't put in any effort to do anything and just starts playing dota. I found that very unlikely to come from town. Since then I have changed my opinion on him given what he's posted during the night.
Regardless, there is clear town motivation for my actions. I tried getting the person I felt was most likely to flip scum lynched. I no longer think he's the most likely person to flip scum, so I'm persuing GRB.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6XMRSM3.gif) Race Bannon realizing the gig is up
But why did you instantly go after GB and RB again? Clearly you're confident enough that they're scum, so why?
GB's return to the thread has been less than impressive. He's tunneling me much like he usually tunnels HF. None of his posts have followup. He said he played along with me in the start, but never followed up on it. He commented on a bunch of things people have been posting, but none of those had followups either. Calls me scum but doesn't actually substantiate it until I call him out on it and doesn't push the issue until he sees that it's gaining some momentum.
So how certain are you that GB is going to flip scum?
Roughly.. 80%? Probably around 60% for RB.
Okay, so say the EoD shenannies don't make you scum. You still did nothing on the first part of D1 leading up to deadline.
I have said in the pregame that I intend to spend less time on this game than before. I still pinged plenty of people and as many have put it, sparked discussion. Reads on DYH, Tumblewood, GB and Spikasaur that weren't posted as prolifically yet as I had as well as poking Damdred and RB. I say that given the amount of time I've put in the game I've done my fair share.
Regardless you misremembered things about EoD!
Shit was hectic and I have bad memory. I don't believe having poor memory is alignment indicative, especially when it's about things that can easily be checked. No reason to lie as either alignment.
So there's basically no good reason to scumread you whatsoever?
Yup, that's kinda what it comes down to. Y'all are jubjubs.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e8pZk3A.gif) Scumbear being chased by the man of the hour
Can you tell us why GB and RB are scum again now?
GlowingBear, I've already mentioned a lot of reasons why he's scum. No followup on anything he's done, and lack of caring in general. He created a narrative in which the actions at EoD make sense for him as town and me as scum, when actually the scenario that would make the most sense is for me to be town as I led a lynch off of him onto someone else whom could be scum. The only townie with the information that that isn't true is Fidei himself, and the fact that GB created this narrative before considering any others suggests an agenda.
Race Bannon has contradicted himself time and time again. Firstly what Gossemerr pointed out about him believing that it was a mafia trait to hard townread CHodge only to do it himself, and his push on LS feels feigned. He doesn't dare to commit on GB because he doesn't want to scumread his scumbuddy. There are no good arguments not to vote on GB especially for him as he was on the table himself and he KNOWS he's town. The fact that he seems so disengaged on all the people that were up for lynch yesterday is concerning.
So who are we lynching?
Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well.
*Exception being Imperial where I shenannied onto Palmar, but if I hadn't scum Marv would've likely gotten lynched. No such risk this game as proven by BF's flip.
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On April 10 2016 04:32 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 02:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Okay guys, you know who we're not lynching today? Me. I'm going to make a long-ass post right the fuck now and you're all going to read it and realize how bad you were for ever even considering me as scum, after which I will slam dunk scumbear some more. If for whatever reason you don't want to lynch him we can also lynch scum bannon. To keep your interest in this post and read it all the way through, I have uploaded several entertaining images depicting emotions I expect these two fellows to have as they go through this post. This post will contain narrative and self-meta. Deal with it. You're mafia because you wanted people to shenanny to Fidei when you were scumreading both GB and RB!First off, I have never* shenannied as mafia, whereas I have shenannied many times as town. I keep things simple as mafia, going for the safe plays over the fancy plays. I like to have control, not cause even more chaos like what happened. No one could've predicted what would happen at EoD and if any of the lead wagons were scum and Fidei is town, I could end up looking really bad and/or scum ends up getting lynched instead. GB casually escaping the thread after realizing he's fucked But GB brought up this point about how you could push him the day after if you're scum!That is technically correct. However, it is also narrative. Another explanation is that I simply thought Fidei was the most likely to flip mafia given the fact that Fidei generally tryhards, finds out he's playing a game 2 hours before deadline and doesn't put in any effort to do anything and just starts playing dota. I found that very unlikely to come from town. Since then I have changed my opinion on him given what he's posted during the night. Regardless, there is clear town motivation for my actions. I tried getting the person I felt was most likely to flip scum lynched. I no longer think he's the most likely person to flip scum, so I'm persuing GRB. Race Bannon realizing the gig is up But why did you instantly go after GB and RB again? Clearly you're confident enough that they're scum, so why?GB's return to the thread has been less than impressive. He's tunneling me much like he usually tunnels HF. None of his posts have followup. He said he played along with me in the start, but never followed up on it. He commented on a bunch of things people have been posting, but none of those had followups either. Calls me scum but doesn't actually substantiate it until I call him out on it and doesn't push the issue until he sees that it's gaining some momentum. So how certain are you that GB is going to flip scum?Roughly.. 80%? Probably around 60% for RB. Okay, so say the EoD shenannies don't make you scum. You still did nothing on the first part of D1 leading up to deadline.I have said in the pregame that I intend to spend less time on this game than before. I still pinged plenty of people and as many have put it, sparked discussion. Reads on DYH, Tumblewood, GB and Spikasaur that weren't posted as prolifically yet as I had as well as poking Damdred and RB. I say that given the amount of time I've put in the game I've done my fair share. Regardless you misremembered things about EoD!Shit was hectic and I have bad memory. I don't believe having poor memory is alignment indicative, especially when it's about things that can easily be checked. No reason to lie as either alignment. So there's basically no good reason to scumread you whatsoever?Yup, that's kinda what it comes down to. Y'all are jubjubs. Scumbear being chased by the man of the hour Can you tell us why GB and RB are scum again now?GlowingBear, I've already mentioned a lot of reasons why he's scum. No followup on anything he's done, and lack of caring in general. He created a narrative in which the actions at EoD make sense for him as town and me as scum, when actually the scenario that would make the most sense is for me to be town as I led a lynch off of him onto someone else whom could be scum. The only townie with the information that that isn't true is Fidei himself, and the fact that GB created this narrative before considering any others suggests an agenda. Race Bannon has contradicted himself time and time again. Firstly what Gossemerr pointed out about him believing that it was a mafia trait to hard townread CHodge only to do it himself, and his push on LS feels feigned. He doesn't dare to commit on GB because he doesn't want to scumread his scumbuddy. There are no good arguments not to vote on GB especially for him as he was on the table himself and he KNOWS he's town. The fact that he seems so disengaged on all the people that were up for lynch yesterday is concerning. So who are we lynching?Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well. *Exception being Imperial where I shenannied onto Palmar, but if I hadn't scum Marv would've likely gotten lynched. No such risk this game as proven by BF's flip. And in Imperial you've made an entire fluff post like this one I'm 100% sure you're Mafia. I hope people understand how your EoD actions doesn't make sense and how your answers to my questions doesn't add up to your story. Btw there are no follow up to SOME of my posts, because I'm simply convinced you're mafia. I've tried to take a grasp of your entire thought process but you've interrupted our conversation when I've asked what made you think Fidei is Mafia. Come on, saying someone is Mafia because he decided to play Dota at EOD is silly. It's not strong enough to grant a shenannie off of a player you're convinced is Mafia (the reasons you present here are the same you'vr brought day1, and you're sure in Mafia solely for that)
Yes and I've never made reads posts like this as town before. Oh wait.
My EoD actions make perfect sense and I explained them just there. You weren't convinced I was mafia earlier and you still had no followup back then. I responded with a gif because I had already repeated 20.000 times why I thought Fidei was mafia at the time. He had literally only made like 2-3 posts and the only thing that he said of any consequence was that he was going to play dota instead of this game right at the deadline, so of course that was the only reason. You asked a question you either already knew the answer of or haven't been reading.
Whether it's silly or not doesn't matter. I believed in it at the time. I also wasn't convinced you were mafia which you'd know if you read my post. I thought you were, and I still think you are. The reasons I've presented have increased in strength by a lot given that you've continued to do nothing useful.
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On April 10 2016 06:20 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 10 2016 04:32 GlowingBear wrote:On April 10 2016 02:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Okay guys, you know who we're not lynching today? Me. I'm going to make a long-ass post right the fuck now and you're all going to read it and realize how bad you were for ever even considering me as scum, after which I will slam dunk scumbear some more. If for whatever reason you don't want to lynch him we can also lynch scum bannon. To keep your interest in this post and read it all the way through, I have uploaded several entertaining images depicting emotions I expect these two fellows to have as they go through this post. This post will contain narrative and self-meta. Deal with it. You're mafia because you wanted people to shenanny to Fidei when you were scumreading both GB and RB!First off, I have never* shenannied as mafia, whereas I have shenannied many times as town. I keep things simple as mafia, going for the safe plays over the fancy plays. I like to have control, not cause even more chaos like what happened. No one could've predicted what would happen at EoD and if any of the lead wagons were scum and Fidei is town, I could end up looking really bad and/or scum ends up getting lynched instead. GB casually escaping the thread after realizing he's fucked But GB brought up this point about how you could push him the day after if you're scum!That is technically correct. However, it is also narrative. Another explanation is that I simply thought Fidei was the most likely to flip mafia given the fact that Fidei generally tryhards, finds out he's playing a game 2 hours before deadline and doesn't put in any effort to do anything and just starts playing dota. I found that very unlikely to come from town. Since then I have changed my opinion on him given what he's posted during the night. Regardless, there is clear town motivation for my actions. I tried getting the person I felt was most likely to flip scum lynched. I no longer think he's the most likely person to flip scum, so I'm persuing GRB. Race Bannon realizing the gig is up But why did you instantly go after GB and RB again? Clearly you're confident enough that they're scum, so why?GB's return to the thread has been less than impressive. He's tunneling me much like he usually tunnels HF. None of his posts have followup. He said he played along with me in the start, but never followed up on it. He commented on a bunch of things people have been posting, but none of those had followups either. Calls me scum but doesn't actually substantiate it until I call him out on it and doesn't push the issue until he sees that it's gaining some momentum. So how certain are you that GB is going to flip scum?Roughly.. 80%? Probably around 60% for RB. Okay, so say the EoD shenannies don't make you scum. You still did nothing on the first part of D1 leading up to deadline.I have said in the pregame that I intend to spend less time on this game than before. I still pinged plenty of people and as many have put it, sparked discussion. Reads on DYH, Tumblewood, GB and Spikasaur that weren't posted as prolifically yet as I had as well as poking Damdred and RB. I say that given the amount of time I've put in the game I've done my fair share. Regardless you misremembered things about EoD!Shit was hectic and I have bad memory. I don't believe having poor memory is alignment indicative, especially when it's about things that can easily be checked. No reason to lie as either alignment. So there's basically no good reason to scumread you whatsoever?Yup, that's kinda what it comes down to. Y'all are jubjubs. Scumbear being chased by the man of the hour Can you tell us why GB and RB are scum again now?GlowingBear, I've already mentioned a lot of reasons why he's scum. No followup on anything he's done, and lack of caring in general. He created a narrative in which the actions at EoD make sense for him as town and me as scum, when actually the scenario that would make the most sense is for me to be town as I led a lynch off of him onto someone else whom could be scum. The only townie with the information that that isn't true is Fidei himself, and the fact that GB created this narrative before considering any others suggests an agenda. Race Bannon has contradicted himself time and time again. Firstly what Gossemerr pointed out about him believing that it was a mafia trait to hard townread CHodge only to do it himself, and his push on LS feels feigned. He doesn't dare to commit on GB because he doesn't want to scumread his scumbuddy. There are no good arguments not to vote on GB especially for him as he was on the table himself and he KNOWS he's town. The fact that he seems so disengaged on all the people that were up for lynch yesterday is concerning. So who are we lynching?Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well. *Exception being Imperial where I shenannied onto Palmar, but if I hadn't scum Marv would've likely gotten lynched. No such risk this game as proven by BF's flip. And in Imperial you've made an entire fluff post like this one I'm 100% sure you're Mafia. I hope people understand how your EoD actions doesn't make sense and how your answers to my questions doesn't add up to your story. Btw there are no follow up to SOME of my posts, because I'm simply convinced you're mafia. I've tried to take a grasp of your entire thought process but you've interrupted our conversation when I've asked what made you think Fidei is Mafia. Come on, saying someone is Mafia because he decided to play Dota at EOD is silly. It's not strong enough to grant a shenannie off of a player you're convinced is Mafia (the reasons you present here are the same you'vr brought day1, and you're sure in Mafia solely for that) Yes and I've never made reads posts like this as town before. Oh wait. My EoD actions make perfect sense and I explained them just there. You weren't convinced I was mafia earlier and you still had no followup back then. I responded with a gif because I had already repeated 20.000 times why I thought Fidei was mafia at the time. He had literally only made like 2-3 posts and the only thing that he said of any consequence was that he was going to play dota instead of this game right at the deadline, so of course that was the only reason. You asked a question you either already knew the answer of or haven't been reading. Whether it's silly or not doesn't matter. I believed in it at the time. I also wasn't convinced you were mafia which you'd know if you read my post. I thought you were, and I still think you are. The reasons I've presented have increased in strength by a lot given that you've continued to do nothing useful. If gb isn't scum other than race who would be scum and why?
I'm not sure. There's a bunch of people where it's hard to tell like Spikasaur and Kura. Might also be you. I'll look for it when we get there.
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On April 10 2016 06:50 Fidei86 wrote:
Artanis - what do you think of LightningStrike?
I really don't know. I think he's meh but would much prefer GB/RB.
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Fidei what's your current read on RB?
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On April 10 2016 07:09 Fidei86 wrote:
Artanis I don't understand your read on LS.
Can you please point me to one towns thing he is done that is beyond cursory.
I don't really have anything but I don't really have much for most of the game. Damdred and Gossemerr are my strong townreads. DYH and you my slightly weaker townreads and then there's a big gap.
Then there's RB.
And then there's GB.
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On April 10 2016 07:10 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok so Tumblewood just guaranteed I am lynched before Artanis. I'm taking a bath and explain in details why Artanis is Mafia so you people can start thinking at least once.
If I die, after my flip, you guys lynch Artanis and Tumblewood. They are pretty hard aligned.
Tumblewood doesn't have a single reason to call me Mafia. As far as I remember, he leaned town on me for most of the game. And now is inexplicably voting me.
Use your brains.
He's probably voting you because you haven't done anything other than OMGUS and he agreed with my case.
Also, bring it.
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On April 10 2016 07:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:On April 10 2016 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, do you have a scum read at least? Or you're just voting between the two leading wagons because it's comfortsble to you? Maybe RB if we follow the LS rule and how he ignored talking about you. What about Artanis never talking about Tumblewood?
Should we mention everyone you haven't talked about either?
You have mentioned your third scumread, Spikasaur, exactly once. You were even more certain on him than on TW yet never brought him up other than this one post.
On April 09 2016 16:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Artanis is mafiaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
So is spikasaur and Tumblewood
Maybs Tumblewood isn't mafis but the other ones certainly are
Says my drunk senses I thubk
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On April 10 2016 07:27 Damdred wrote:
I'm curious how I'm a strong town read of arts.
On April 08 2016 18:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 17:39 Fidei86 wrote:
Yeah my reasons for town reading GB are seriously "eh".
I was sort of just hoping that there would be one scum between you, Damdred and GB and that you'd figure it out and tell me. I'm quite sure Damdred isn't mafia. He had this little emotional bit where he lashed out at me for being annoyed at him and then apologized for it shortly after. If he was mafia, he either wouldn't have gotten upset about it or he wouldn't have apologized as it would've been intentional. I'm also pretty sold on GB, especially if you're not mafia and with the way the votes moved. Despite a bunch of people not really liking GB, he never got more than 4 votes and no one really tried to get him lynched but me. I'm pretty sure his wagon was pure.
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Basically your feigned emotion in Cell that I observed was clearly fake whereas this felt genuine.
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On April 10 2016 07:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:28 LightningStrike wrote:On April 10 2016 07:25 GlowingBear wrote:On April 10 2016 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:On April 10 2016 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, do you have a scum read at least? Or you're just voting between the two leading wagons because it's comfortsble to you? Maybe RB if we follow the LS rule and how he ignored talking about you. Why am I scum? If you are scum it's because you were doing more narratives than I remember you doing. You're just quoting artanis I want you to explain why my arguments are narratives, or you'll just saying things you don't know the meaning.
Your posts are narratives. You create a world in which my actions make sense as scum even though they aren't common for scum to use at all, nor are they the type of things I tend to do. It might be something you would do as scum, but not me.
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On April 10 2016 07:31 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 10 2016 07:25 GlowingBear wrote:On April 10 2016 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:On April 10 2016 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, do you have a scum read at least? Or you're just voting between the two leading wagons because it's comfortsble to you? Maybe RB if we follow the LS rule and how he ignored talking about you. What about Artanis never talking about Tumblewood? Should we mention everyone you haven't talked about either? You have mentioned your third scumread, Spikasaur, exactly once. You were even more certain on him than on TW yet never brought him up other than this one post. On April 09 2016 16:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Artanis is mafiaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
So is spikasaur and Tumblewood
Maybs Tumblewood isn't mafis but the other ones certainly are
Says my drunk senses I thubk I was drunk and I was using my drunk senses, which I do every game I get drunk and you know it. Also I'm starting to believe the third is LS
You said you were more certain of him than TW which is weird given the current state of affairs. Even if you were drunk I'm sure you had SOME reason for it. Why?
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On April 10 2016 07:33 Damdred wrote:
Can we lunch tw first before gb though?
He actually is kind of worrying me with how he's lining up my lynch in case GB is actually town.
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On April 10 2016 07:34 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay, so RB's whole game appears to be "LS called CH town and was right, and his reasons were bad, so he's mafia".
???
LS is ALWAYS BAD in most people's eyes. I don't know why I have to explain this to people still. I've said this like ten times.
The thing I really don't get about RB's push on LS, however, is how he hasn't interacted really with anyone else on it - especially not me. If I was *that* sure someone was mafia, and there was another playing posting incessantly negative things about my target, I'd be hitting them up for support.
That was tortured, but yeah ... I'm starting to dig the Race mafia case. My early read on him was based mostly on his picking out bf early as town, from a crowded field, for reasons that looked good after the fact. But since the middle of day 1 ish, his weird LS tunnel has me concerned.
Still up for a RB lynch but I'd both rather have GB and I don't want to switch over and end up get lynched instead.
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Meanwhile, still waiting for your case GB.
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On April 10 2016 07:39 Gossemerr wrote:
Can someone explain why we are adding lynch targets with 20 minutes left on the Day. We are going to end up with the EOD1 scenario...
Bleh, you're right. Me or GB today guys.
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On April 10 2016 07:40 GlowingBear wrote:Why Artanis is MafiaIt's really simple. You have to think through mindsets. Town mindset is "I have to lynch scum" Artanis was scumreading me the entire day1. I've asked him if there was any time he considered if I could be town and he said it was when I started developing discussion using his post + Show Spoiler +On April 09 2016 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 05:23 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2016 05:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past. There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other. is there something on day1 that made you think I'm town? Early Day1 I thought you were aware of my intentions of getting the game started and played along, but then you having absolutely no followups whatsoever changed that. The few reads you threw out there in the last page were meh and this omgus narrative is, as you would put it, kinda boring. So, basically, he was certain I was scum when I had no follow-up, and there was no other reason to townread me. I was the leading vote on EOD. Artanis had his main scumread going to die. He PROPOSES A SHENANNIE ON A GUY THAT HE NEVER THOUGHT WAS MAFIA. THIS DOESN'T FIT TOWN PERSPECTIVE, because townies want to lynch scum and they won't risk mislynching a townie over a guy that could be town. IT IS SIMPLE AS THIS. I've asked repeated questions to Artanis so he could explain what made him think FIdei could be mafia. He used the excuse that Fidei could be here but decided to play DOTA. Everyone knows that THAT ISN'T ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE. It's the only excuse he could provide to lynching someone else. He said it was also because we weren't here do defend ourselves. From what, I ask? From not having follow ups? He accused me of that 36 hours straight, pratically. So this is the reason: Artanis is Mafia because he tried a shenannie on a guy who didn't display a clear mafia trait instead of killing his main scumread, and this will never fit town mindset.It's not a "narrative", it's pure syllogism: "Town acts like X Artanis didn't act like X Artanis isn't town" SIMPLE AS THAT
This suggests I was certain on you being scum. I wasn't. I'm still not certain, as you would probably know if you read my case just now. I was less certain back then, and Fidei did something I thought was very scum indicative, especially since he rolled scum the game before.
"Everyone knows playing DotA 2 hours before deadline after hearing you just ended up playing a game game when you rolled scum the game before isn't alignment indicative, especially knowing Fidei hates playing scum!"
Yeah that makes sense.
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I'm going to laugh pretty hard if all scum are in the inactive non-voters btw.
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On April 10 2016 07:41 Damdred wrote:
It coups be t v t. Pretty easily I've scanned arts filter and the amount of try hard makes me feel like he's town.
A lot of gb feels nai though but this counter omgus type deal sort of feels like town gb.
But I'm pretty behind,currently so skimming
I've seen him go after people he likes to go after all the time. Usually it's HF. I imagine he decided to pick me this game which makes sense given the opening where he already went after me a bit. I don't believe that that's alignment indicative. I do believe that how much he's tunneled into the read is though.
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On April 10 2016 07:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 10 2016 07:40 GlowingBear wrote:Why Artanis is MafiaIt's really simple. You have to think through mindsets. Town mindset is "I have to lynch scum" Artanis was scumreading me the entire day1. I've asked him if there was any time he considered if I could be town and he said it was when I started developing discussion using his post + Show Spoiler +On April 09 2016 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 05:23 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2016 05:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past. There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other. is there something on day1 that made you think I'm town? Early Day1 I thought you were aware of my intentions of getting the game started and played along, but then you having absolutely no followups whatsoever changed that. The few reads you threw out there in the last page were meh and this omgus narrative is, as you would put it, kinda boring. So, basically, he was certain I was scum when I had no follow-up, and there was no other reason to townread me. I was the leading vote on EOD. Artanis had his main scumread going to die. He PROPOSES A SHENANNIE ON A GUY THAT HE NEVER THOUGHT WAS MAFIA. THIS DOESN'T FIT TOWN PERSPECTIVE, because townies want to lynch scum and they won't risk mislynching a townie over a guy that could be town. IT IS SIMPLE AS THIS. I've asked repeated questions to Artanis so he could explain what made him think FIdei could be mafia. He used the excuse that Fidei could be here but decided to play DOTA. Everyone knows that THAT ISN'T ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE. It's the only excuse he could provide to lynching someone else. He said it was also because we weren't here do defend ourselves. From what, I ask? From not having follow ups? He accused me of that 36 hours straight, pratically. So this is the reason: Artanis is Mafia because he tried a shenannie on a guy who didn't display a clear mafia trait instead of killing his main scumread, and this will never fit town mindset.It's not a "narrative", it's pure syllogism: "Town acts like X Artanis didn't act like X Artanis isn't town" SIMPLE AS THAT This suggests I was certain on you being scum. I wasn't. I'm still not certain, as you would probably know if you read my case just now. I was less certain back then, and Fidei did something I thought was very scum indicative, especially since he rolled scum the game before. "Everyone knows playing DotA 2 hours before deadline after hearing you just ended up playing a game game when you rolled scum the game before isn't alignment indicative, especially knowing Fidei hates playing scum!" Yeah that makes sense. Artanis, I've clearly asked you if you thought I was town for other reasons and you said you didn't. YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T THINK I WAS TOWN FOR NOTHING ELSE. IF YOU ARE NOT CERTAIN I'M MAFIA HOW CAN YOU KEEP PUSHING ME WITHOUT CONSIDERING ANYONE ELSE ROFL PLEASE
So because I didn't have a straight-up reason to read you as town I should've lynched you? I can't lynch half the town at once honeybunny.
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On April 10 2016 07:49 GlowingBear wrote:
GG, fuck this
Artanis, Tumblewood, LS - maybe Spikasaur if I am wrong in one of these.
Race Bannon is town.
To be fair I'm more certain that Tumble is mafia over Artanis. But now it's too late.
Why is RB town?
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On April 10 2016 07:48 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm sorry guys, I cannot catch up before the deadline. A guy just threatened suicide by jumping off the 3rd floor balcony of my apartments. We called the police. He didn't jump. The game is low priority atm.
Ugh, sorry man :/ hope everything ends up alright.
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On April 10 2016 07:51 Damdred wrote:
Gb is town I think I'm voting on tw, art is town I think with a skim
Why is GB town?
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Bleh the only thing I didn't like about TW was the setting up of it always being TvS. If we're both town and he's scum that is an easy thing to push. Just dunno if scum would be so open about it if it was their plan to begin with.
Hasn't TW been mislynched a bunch already?
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On April 10 2016 07:55 Damdred wrote:
Cared enough even though he a being lynched to give a shitty last will.
Tone wise even if his push kinda sucks it does show some thought. Is all over the thread in some regards hands in everything etc. From my skin at least
Basically an appeal to emotion though, there's enough people around and enough people that might want to switch to still weasel out of it. I really don't think that's enough.
On April 10 2016 07:54 GlowingBear wrote:
I've voted tumblewood
Artanis, are you against voting him?
I think he's got a much smaller chance of flipping scum than you do, though definitely not impossible. He's in the null department.
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On April 10 2016 07:56 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Bleh the only thing I didn't like about TW was the setting up of it always being TvS. If we're both town and he's scum that is an easy thing to push. Just dunno if scum would be so open about it if it was their plan to begin with.
Hasn't TW been mislynched a bunch already? Hasn't GB?
I think I'm better at reading you than at TW though. I kinda caught you in the last scumgame we played but then let go of it :/
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I must say that GB's reasonableness is making me itchy too though blsfkjsdf
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On April 10 2016 07:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Lynch rb.
We don't have enough, it's between GB and TW.
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Sorry GB
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Off for the night now. Will make more sense of it tomorrow.
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On April 10 2016 18:11 Fidei86 wrote:
Too much weirdness in that last vote. DYH and Damdred both showing up late and voting TW was curious as well.
Mm, I don't really agree. DYH had a strong scumread on both myself and TW so when that switched, it makes sense. I also don't believe he made that excuse up. I also understand Damdred's switch if he townread both of us.
RB coming in last minute is super sketch though.
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Gonna be afk most of today, heading to a concert. Will try to churn out some content before the flip in case I get shot.
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On April 11 2016 00:09 LightningStrike wrote:
I honestly tried to get you guys off of gb and lex and tried to lynch someone else sadly you guys didn't fucking care :\
This feels kinda genuine tbh.
Ls why did you want to lynch rb?
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On April 11 2016 04:01 Tumblewood wrote:
Incoming "wtf is TW saying":
There's a reason I thought that Art was scum if GB was town: the case was too perfect. What I mean by that is that for every response GB had to the case, Art had a refutation. Perhaps what I'm trying to say is that the case felt very calculated and not organic (there was also virtually no emotion behind Art's words). If that happens, either town really caught scum, or scum is pushing hard for a ML. This is mostly a tone / feel read, but I feel weirdly good about it.
What's funny about this is that I tend to use emotion a lot more as scum than as town since I don't feel it adds much. Feel free to look at past games to confirm that.
Also I'm pretty confident you're town from this.
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Don't have time for elaborated reads unfortunately. Scum leans on RB and I really dunno who else, so I'd default to the inactives. Townleans on Damdred/Fidei/TW/DYH/Gosse/LS roughly in that order. Need to look into Kura and Spike more.
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Welp, that means at least one of my townreads is wrong.
Re-evaling tomorrow. Also we should probably no lynch today. Gives the blue the chance either to check another player or finally shoot someone presuming scum doesn't already know who it is.
If we have a cop with a redcheck they should come forward though.
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Town is not allowed to No lynch.
Oh shit.
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On April 11 2016 05:45 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 05:37 Gossemerr wrote:On April 11 2016 05:33 Race Bannon wrote:On April 11 2016 05:08 Gossemerr wrote:On April 11 2016 00:37 Race Bannon wrote:
##Vote: Shapelog
For not updating the players list and important posts info.
Have you caught up yet? What are your thoughts on Art since you voted him last second. Too scummy to be scum. I think he's town and I'll be taking the piss out of him a lot reminding him of this game. My scumreads are LS Damdred and a lurker. Can you elaborate on what too scummy to be scum means? His cred for once? Everything GB said seems to be true. I know I'm town. He's townreading who I think is probscum and largely ignoring the lurkers. He's done everything wrong, I don't think scum would go full derp like that. And the thing about townreading CH it's ridiculous how he insists on slicing it up and viewing the pieces independently and out of context. Defending LS with meta that he dphimself denounced and now this naive assertion of LS's attempt to get me lynched being genuine and town. My last second vote was due to me being overwhelmed and my tablet clumsiness. I was stuxk with the notion of having to choose between RB and him, didn't evwn register the push on TW until after I pseudo-voted
I presume you meant GB and me rather than yourself.
Why am I too scummy to be scum rather than just scum? You said too scummy to be scum but when did that happen? Why are LS Damdred (and presumably Kura after Spika's flip) mafia?
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We had to put my dog to sleep today. Don't count on me doing much.
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I am not getting my first mislynch ever as town in LYLO. Fuck you all.
On April 12 2016 02:11 Gossemerr wrote:Now that kill seems like a set up for getting ls killed, way 2 obvious since fidei was riding him so hard. Clearly fid was an easy scum kill given that he was one of the few actually contributing. Our best move will be to lynch artanis. Putting us all up to that eod1 shit. After tunneling so hard on gb. Really? Then he moves perfectly back into the gb case and gets him ml’d. (which I certainly fell for as well). artanis = MAFIA, and we need to lynch him. guys/gals we are not going to lose today -- The case against Artanis.Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? Fidei, please shit townie rainbows if you're actually town. GlowingBear, please explain your BF read and thought process. 1. Now this is fucking nitpicking but if you follow his filter you’ll see this; notice how in the above he says With the people not “with how many.” Implying he knows something more than a town would = who is town and who are his SCUM buddies. He doesn’t give a flying fuck that he just caused a ML after tunneling in on a townie that he was so confident was scum (read his filter from D1 if you have any doubts on his thought process that day.) Why would it matter if GB was not there to defend himself, which would be best case scenario to lynch a mafia member when they can’t even talk their way out of it. Read GB’s case again on the matter: Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing 2. This follows that Artanis had a clear intention to set up his lynch targets from the very beginning. Race gets set up and has been poked by Artanis throughout most of this game: Show nested quote +On April 05 2016 09:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Through objective analysis I've deduced that Tumblewood, Spikasaur and Race Bannon are our 3 scum players. You may ask me why in the morning. Obviously D1 early callout means nothing, but it is like that movie with Will Smith where they set the gambler guy to pick a certain number by placing that number in plain sight for the whole week before hand. In this case Art has done it with GB and Race. 3.Read his response to GB’s case – spoilers because its long, well planned, and trys to counter every single point: + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2016 02:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Okay guys, you know who we're not lynching today? Me. I'm going to make a long-ass post right the fuck now and you're all going to read it and realize how bad you were for ever even considering me as scum, after which I will slam dunk scumbear some more. If for whatever reason you don't want to lynch him we can also lynch scum bannon. To keep your interest in this post and read it all the way through, I have uploaded several entertaining images depicting emotions I expect these two fellows to have as they go through this post. This post will contain narrative and self-meta. Deal with it. You're mafia because you wanted people to shenanny to Fidei when you were scumreading both GB and RB!First off, I have never* shenannied as mafia, whereas I have shenannied many times as town. I keep things simple as mafia, going for the safe plays over the fancy plays. I like to have control, not cause even more chaos like what happened. No one could've predicted what would happen at EoD and if any of the lead wagons were scum and Fidei is town, I could end up looking really bad and/or scum ends up getting lynched instead. GB casually escaping the thread after realizing he's fucked But GB brought up this point about how you could push him the day after if you're scum!That is technically correct. However, it is also narrative. Another explanation is that I simply thought Fidei was the most likely to flip mafia given the fact that Fidei generally tryhards, finds out he's playing a game 2 hours before deadline and doesn't put in any effort to do anything and just starts playing dota. I found that very unlikely to come from town. Since then I have changed my opinion on him given what he's posted during the night. Regardless, there is clear town motivation for my actions. I tried getting the person I felt was most likely to flip scum lynched. I no longer think he's the most likely person to flip scum, so I'm persuing GRB. Race Bannon realizing the gig is up But why did you instantly go after GB and RB again? Clearly you're confident enough that they're scum, so why?GB's return to the thread has been less than impressive. He's tunneling me much like he usually tunnels HF. None of his posts have followup. He said he played along with me in the start, but never followed up on it. He commented on a bunch of things people have been posting, but none of those had followups either. Calls me scum but doesn't actually substantiate it until I call him out on it and doesn't push the issue until he sees that it's gaining some momentum. So how certain are you that GB is going to flip scum?Roughly.. 80%? Probably around 60% for RB. Okay, so say the EoD shenannies don't make you scum. You still did nothing on the first part of D1 leading up to deadline.I have said in the pregame that I intend to spend less time on this game than before. I still pinged plenty of people and as many have put it, sparked discussion. Reads on DYH, Tumblewood, GB and Spikasaur that weren't posted as prolifically yet as I had as well as poking Damdred and RB. I say that given the amount of time I've put in the game I've done my fair share. Regardless you misremembered things about EoD!Shit was hectic and I have bad memory. I don't believe having poor memory is alignment indicative, especially when it's about things that can easily be checked. No reason to lie as either alignment. So there's basically no good reason to scumread you whatsoever?Yup, that's kinda what it comes down to. Y'all are jubjubs. Scumbear being chased by the man of the hour Can you tell us why GB and RB are scum again now?GlowingBear, I've already mentioned a lot of reasons why he's scum. No followup on anything he's done, and lack of caring in general. He created a narrative in which the actions at EoD make sense for him as town and me as scum, when actually the scenario that would make the most sense is for me to be town as I led a lynch off of him onto someone else whom could be scum. The only townie with the information that that isn't true is Fidei himself, and the fact that GB created this narrative before considering any others suggests an agenda. Race Bannon has contradicted himself time and time again. Firstly what Gossemerr pointed out about him believing that it was a mafia trait to hard townread CHodge only to do it himself, and his push on LS feels feigned. He doesn't dare to commit on GB because he doesn't want to scumread his scumbuddy. There are no good arguments not to vote on GB especially for him as he was on the table himself and he KNOWS he's town. The fact that he seems so disengaged on all the people that were up for lynch yesterday is concerning. So who are we lynching?Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well. *Exception being Imperial where I shenannied onto Palmar, but if I hadn't scum Marv would've likely gotten lynched. No such risk this game as proven by BF's flip. Going to just pull out one part: Show nested quote + So who are we lynching?
Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well.
Everything about his process is methodical, planned, and leading us to misslynch our town. So many posts about RB. Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Fidei what's your current read on RB? 4. Everyone read this post: Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 10 2016 07:39 Gossemerr wrote:
Can someone explain why we are adding lynch targets with 20 minutes left on the Day. We are going to end up with the EOD1 scenario... Bleh, you're right. Me or GB today guys. This is so NOT something a townie would do. Why would a town basically say its ok to misslynch them. He should be pushing GB super hard right now to make sure his top scum suspect gets the noose. But he doesn't have to here because I ended up doing that for him through my own bad reads and wanting the town to consolidate for once. 5. Backpeddling to fall back on when GB flips town: Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I must say that GB's reasonableness is making me itchy too though blsfkjsdf 5. After the ML: Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Off for the night now. Will make more sense of it tomorrow. Doesn't followup because he doesn't need to make sense of it for us. It DOESN'T as a town. Period. Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 07:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Don't have time for elaborated reads unfortunately. Scum leans on RB and I really dunno who else, so I'd default to the inactives. Townleans on Damdred/Fidei/TW/DYH/Gosse/LS roughly in that order. Need to look into Kura and Spike more. 6. Back on RB. No other analysis on anyone else. Has barely talked about DYH or Dam, and only slightly on TW and LS because he was forced too. In SummaryA. Picks out GB and RB D1 B. Eod1 shenns, doesn’t lynch his top scum C. Calm after ML, perfect response to criticisms D. Back to focusing on GB D2 E. Backpedals near lynch deadline F. N2 Doesn't care about ML, at least in terms of trying to make sense of it and content -- keeping the town muddled and in the dark. G. N2/D3 back to RB push that he set up from the beginning Artanis is mafia. lynch today and we can move forward.
Artanis is not demonstrating any sort of read progressions or deviations from his thoughts since the beginning of the game. IT IS FOLLOWING A PLAN. He is scum and needs to die.P.S: also read TW's case against him: + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2016 04:01 Tumblewood wrote:
Incoming "wtf is TW saying":
There's a reason I thought that Art was scum if GB was town: the case was too perfect. What I mean by that is that for every response GB had to the case, Art had a refutation. Perhaps what I'm trying to say is that the case felt very calculated and not organic (there was also virtually no emotion behind Art's words). If that happens, either town really caught scum, or scum is pushing hard for a ML. This is mostly a tone / feel read, but I feel weirdly good about it.
A. Yes, I had two main scumreads.
B. I had a stronger scumread near EoD.
C. I'm usually calm as town.
D. Fidei started looking more townie so I naturally went back to GB.
E. He said something I found kinda townie but I didn't want to be dissuaded off a GB scum lynch like I had been in Outlaw.
F. I don't think anyone really tried to 'make sense of it' so far. I was trying to figure out whether it meant RB was more likely to be town or not and what it meant for TW. Then TW made a good post and RB has been meh all day again.
G. See F. He's been bad so he's probably scum.
Your case does not make me mafia in the slightest. I have reasons to townread just about anyone but Kura, and until Spikasaur ended up flipping green I had no reasons to doubt my other reads.
Damdred town for reasons I mentioned before regarding tone change.
Tumblewood town because I don't think he expected his case to gain momentum yet he still went after a thread leader.
DYH town because he's been producing decent content (TW cases have a good town process even though I don't think he's scum)
One question for DYH though: Why did you say there was support for LS as scum but only gave Race Bannon "another look"? You say that Damdred gains town points for switching to BF which LS did as well, and other than that LS/RB's voting records are basically identical (voting each other needlessly D2/being offwagon).
I thought Gosse was town but I'm actually starting to change my mind. Reason being that I felt like his cases were decent and had a good process behind them, but it feels like he's just hopping on wagons after they've launched. He was my greatest ally when I was pushing what turned out to be mislynch after mislynch, then suddenly thinks I'm scum after TW makes a case on me. It feels too sudden and far too opportunistic to be true. Feels like he's taking the momentum here.
LS still town for genuine emotions like
On April 12 2016 11:03 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 10:03 DoYouHas wrote:On April 07 2016 08:02 Shapelog wrote:Final vote count
Boxerfred (4): GlowingBear, LightningStrike, Tumblewood, Damdred, Fidei86, Damdred Fidei86 (3): Artanis[Xp]. Damdred, DoYouHas, SpikasuarGlowingBear (2): Artanis[Xp], CHodge, Kuragari42, Tumblewood Tumblewood (1): DoYouHas, boxerfredRace Bannon (1): CHodge, Gossemerr, CHodge, LightningStrike (1): Race Bannon Gossemerr (1): Fidei86,Non-Voters (0): On April 10 2016 08:07 Shapelog wrote:Ye Ole Final vote count
GlowingBear (4): Artanis[XP], Gossemerr,Tumblewood, Fidei86Tumblewood (3):DoYouHas Damdred. GlowingBear, DoYouHas LightningStrike (0): Race Bannon Artanis[Xp] (1): GlowingBear, DoYouHas Race Bannon Spikasaur (0): Fidei86Race Bannon (1): LightningStrike Non-Voters: Kuragari42, Spikasaur Here we go. Day1: Scum split their vote. With 6 lynch candidates with at least 1 vote the odds of all 3 being on different wagons goes up. Unfortunately not to much to be gotten out purely on votes. Damdred gets townpoints for the last second swap back to BF, which at least gave us a bit more information than the Fid lynch. Day2: Art, Goss, and TW all piled onto GB where they ended up on seperate wagons D1. Not too extraordinary since TW followed Art onto GB D1. Race throws his vote onto a non-wagon for a second time. LS throws away his vote on Race. - Support for Art as scum, support for LS as scum, Race needs another look. I tried to get people off GB and Lex 10 mins before EoD but no one fucking listened to me -_-
Kura probably mafia for being a complete non-entity. I saw him play in Cell and I actually felt he had a bunch of decent contributions which are lacking here.
Race Bannon is the easy scum lynch today though.
-Contradicts himself time and time again (Calls LS out on TRing CHodge for no reason, does it himself)
-Tunneled on LS when people were discussing between two mislynches, meaning he would evade suspicion whilst making sure no one actually would sheep him
-Constantly comes into the thread with nothing of added value
-Really goddamn smug
-For no apparent reason has flipped his read on me
-Disengaged
##Vote Race Bannon
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On April 12 2016 18:40 Race Bannon wrote:
Damdred
Rare posts with few short phrases, no cases, no real pushes. Now it's LYLO what is he doing?
Mislynched boxer even though he was a townread of his supposed townread.
Had the hubris of EoD-attempting to derail a GB vs Artanis lynch, following an insufficiently explained statement that he has townreads on them, even though he finds it curious that Art is townreading him. Says well at least he was right about GB.
He kept his options for LYLO open, he could vote for LS, TW or me it seems like without breaking continuity. Makes a vote on LS sound like policy though, and since those aren't likely to happen he's free to hop on TW, who I think is town by process of elimination and me.
Kura is the last scum, a new player would't be so absent as town.
Not lynching someone because he's a townread of a townread is preposterous. Rest of this is a towncase: Voted off the town vs town wagon (though I think Tumble is also town so eh), he liked the explanation of my townread on him so that's not a point. Keeping a perspective on others is fine too.
Also why is Kura scum for being inactive when Spikasaur was just as inactive if not more and flipped town? Why is DYH still town despite being inactive? You can't say PoE either because you consider TW town by PoE.
On April 12 2016 18:47 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 18:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
-Contradicts himself time and time again (Calls LS out on TRing CHodge for no reason, does it himself) I didn't contradict myself then nor anywhen.
Tired of arguing this, you did.
On April 12 2016 18:58 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 18:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
a) -Tunneled on LS when people were discussing between two mislynches, meaning he would evade suspicion whilst making sure no one actually would sheep him
b) -Constantly comes into the thread with nothing of added value
c) -Really goddamn smug
d) -For no apparent reason has flipped his read on me
e) -Disengaged
##Vote Race Bannon a) I made a case on LS and tried to get him lynched. b) See a). I gave reads and have sufficiently explained them c) I pride myself with an impecable cred. You're jelly and a hater. d) I never had a scumread on you. One time I said you need to do more and you did.e) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
a) You didn't seem to try very hard.
b) Your reads on Damdred at least are new, I'll give you that, but it's bad and probably wrong.
d) Then why did you vote me last cycle?
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On April 12 2016 19:59 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 19:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Not lynching someone because he's a townread of a townread is preposterous. Is it? Everyone is working off of the same material so why wouldn't someone at least second guess lynching a townread of a townread?
Okay, who are you townreading?
What are the townreads of all those people?
Have you second guessed all those reads?
Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 19:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also why is Kura scum for being inactive when Spikasaur was just as inactive if not more and flipped town? Why is DYH still town despite being inactive? It makes sense for scum to try to do as little as possible without being first in line to get badmouthed for it. Spika did less than Kura so that made him feel safer. I think he would've been more active if Spika had been more active, if only to avoid being the extremity. I said I was overwhelmed and chose between you and GB, oblivious to the state of the votes because I checked in too late. Do you have other scumreads or will you persist to be a burden to the very end?
Surely Kura would now be aware of that and be trying harder? Why does it make it more likely for him to be scum rather than simply inactive town?
If you fully read my post you'll see my other scumreads are Gosse and Kura.
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Also, since you never scumread me and voted me over GB, that suggests he was a townread.
He scumread TW hard. Have you second guessed whether your townread on TW makes sense?
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On April 12 2016 20:08 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 01:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
We had to put my dog to sleep today. Don't count on me doing much. I'm sincerely sorry about your dog.
Thanks, I do appreciate it. Sorry if I'm coming off as rough, just trying to discern your alignment.
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On April 12 2016 20:14 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 20:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 19:59 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 19:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Not lynching someone because he's a townread of a townread is preposterous. Is it? Everyone is working off of the same material so why wouldn't someone at least second guess lynching a townread of a townread? Okay, who are you townreading? What are the townreads of all those people? Have you second guessed all those reads? On April 12 2016 19:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also why is Kura scum for being inactive when Spikasaur was just as inactive if not more and flipped town? Why is DYH still town despite being inactive? It makes sense for scum to try to do as little as possible without being first in line to get badmouthed for it. Spika did less than Kura so that made him feel safer. I think he would've been more active if Spika had been more active, if only to avoid being the extremity. I said I was overwhelmed and chose between you and GB, oblivious to the state of the votes because I checked in too late. Do you have other scumreads or will you persist to be a burden to the very end? Surely Kura would now be aware of that and be trying harder? Why does it make it more likely for him to be scum rather than simply inactive town? If you fully read my post you'll see my other scumreads are Gosse and Kura. I did not only second guess your meta read of LS, but rationally took the decision to disregard meta in his case based on what he said about his own meta and the fact that Fidei said he can't read him at all. I think I went through that analytical process and second guessing accordingly yes. Indeed, I didn't quite catch that.
The point is, you said you expect every townie to second guess any scumread they have made by any townread they have. Firstly, they may have and just didn't post about it. Secondly, I don't exactly keep track of all of it and that seems silly. I'm pretty sure many people haven't. Thirdly, they might have actually gone through that but haven't posted about it.
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On April 12 2016 20:31 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 20:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Surely Kura would now be aware of that and be trying harder? Why does it make it more likely for him to be scum rather than simply inactive town? The most memorable thing he did is his recent scumread on TW. I just don't think newblood town would be this indifferent and expect to magically find scum.
Okay. Presumably you read Gosse as town and you've said you read me as town. Why do you think his case on me is bad?
What about TW? Why are two, in your eyes townie players casing me and why are you so sure they're wrong, yet seem to be willing to just take the fall and not try to convince them?
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Ughhh
I need someone to come in and make sure I'm not tunneling my ass off. Preferably someone not tunneling on me.
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On April 12 2016 20:41 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 20:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 20:14 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 20:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 19:59 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 19:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Not lynching someone because he's a townread of a townread is preposterous. Is it? Everyone is working off of the same material so why wouldn't someone at least second guess lynching a townread of a townread? Okay, who are you townreading? What are the townreads of all those people? Have you second guessed all those reads? On April 12 2016 19:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also why is Kura scum for being inactive when Spikasaur was just as inactive if not more and flipped town? Why is DYH still town despite being inactive? It makes sense for scum to try to do as little as possible without being first in line to get badmouthed for it. Spika did less than Kura so that made him feel safer. I think he would've been more active if Spika had been more active, if only to avoid being the extremity. I said I was overwhelmed and chose between you and GB, oblivious to the state of the votes because I checked in too late. Do you have other scumreads or will you persist to be a burden to the very end? Surely Kura would now be aware of that and be trying harder? Why does it make it more likely for him to be scum rather than simply inactive town? If you fully read my post you'll see my other scumreads are Gosse and Kura. I did not only second guess your meta read of LS, but rationally took the decision to disregard meta in his case based on what he said about his own meta and the fact that Fidei said he can't read him at all. I think I went through that analytical process and second guessing accordingly yes. Indeed, I didn't quite catch that. The point is, you said you expect every townie to second guess any scumread they have made by any townread they have. Firstly, they may have and just didn't post about it. Secondly, I don't exactly keep track of all of it and that seems silly. I'm pretty sure many people haven't. Thirdly, they might have actually gone through that but haven't posted about it. I expect everyone to do the second-guessing, and maybe Damdred is town and second-guessed his boxer because of me but kept on voting him anyway or not. At the end of the day it's more likely for scum to say they townread someone who townreads their scumread and mislynch that person regardless of what townies say anyway because it's their agenda.
I just find it so oddly specific. Plenty of people have tunneled with townreads saying otherwise. I scumread GB and Damdred, my strongest townread said he's town. You still townread me. Why am I exempt from this but Damdred isn't?
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On April 12 2016 20:47 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 20:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 20:31 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 20:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Surely Kura would now be aware of that and be trying harder? Why does it make it more likely for him to be scum rather than simply inactive town? The most memorable thing he did is his recent scumread on TW. I just don't think newblood town would be this indifferent and expect to magically find scum. Okay. Presumably you read Gosse as town and you've said you read me as town. Why do you think his case on me is bad? What about TW? Why are two, in your eyes townie players casing me and why are you so sure they're wrong, yet seem to be willing to just take the fall and not try to convince them? Because you gave them good reasons to scumread you by being incompetent to deliver scum thus far. What I think they fail to see is scum wouldn't be this bad. They'd be more like the people I've listed as scum.
So your sole reason for townreading me is because I'm too scummy to be scum? Nothing else?
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On April 12 2016 21:02 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 20:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 20:47 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 20:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 20:31 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 20:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Surely Kura would now be aware of that and be trying harder? Why does it make it more likely for him to be scum rather than simply inactive town? The most memorable thing he did is his recent scumread on TW. I just don't think newblood town would be this indifferent and expect to magically find scum. Okay. Presumably you read Gosse as town and you've said you read me as town. Why do you think his case on me is bad? What about TW? Why are two, in your eyes townie players casing me and why are you so sure they're wrong, yet seem to be willing to just take the fall and not try to convince them? Because you gave them good reasons to scumread you by being incompetent to deliver scum thus far. What I think they fail to see is scum wouldn't be this bad. They'd be more like the people I've listed as scum. So your sole reason for townreading me is because I'm too scummy to be scum? Nothing else? And the way you seem to get more and more restless the worse your cred gets, yes. Also PoE.
You keep saying PoE but your scumread on Kura feels PoE-y and not very fleshed out. Also please answer this:
On April 12 2016 20:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 20:41 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 20:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 20:14 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 20:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 19:59 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 19:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Not lynching someone because he's a townread of a townread is preposterous. Is it? Everyone is working off of the same material so why wouldn't someone at least second guess lynching a townread of a townread? Okay, who are you townreading? What are the townreads of all those people? Have you second guessed all those reads? On April 12 2016 19:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also why is Kura scum for being inactive when Spikasaur was just as inactive if not more and flipped town? Why is DYH still town despite being inactive? It makes sense for scum to try to do as little as possible without being first in line to get badmouthed for it. Spika did less than Kura so that made him feel safer. I think he would've been more active if Spika had been more active, if only to avoid being the extremity. I said I was overwhelmed and chose between you and GB, oblivious to the state of the votes because I checked in too late. Do you have other scumreads or will you persist to be a burden to the very end? Surely Kura would now be aware of that and be trying harder? Why does it make it more likely for him to be scum rather than simply inactive town? If you fully read my post you'll see my other scumreads are Gosse and Kura. I did not only second guess your meta read of LS, but rationally took the decision to disregard meta in his case based on what he said about his own meta and the fact that Fidei said he can't read him at all. I think I went through that analytical process and second guessing accordingly yes. Indeed, I didn't quite catch that. The point is, you said you expect every townie to second guess any scumread they have made by any townread they have. Firstly, they may have and just didn't post about it. Secondly, I don't exactly keep track of all of it and that seems silly. I'm pretty sure many people haven't. Thirdly, they might have actually gone through that but haven't posted about it. I expect everyone to do the second-guessing, and maybe Damdred is town and second-guessed his boxer because of me but kept on voting him anyway or not. At the end of the day it's more likely for scum to say they townread someone who townreads their scumread and mislynch that person regardless of what townies say anyway because it's their agenda. I just find it so oddly specific. Plenty of people have tunneled with townreads saying otherwise. I scumread GB and Damdred, my strongest townread said he's town. You still townread me. Why am I exempt from this but Damdred isn't?
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On April 12 2016 21:07 LightningStrike wrote:
I here for a little bit and I do have some interesting thoughts. The first NK implicates GB/RB but the second implicates me very hard. I think scum was trying to push for these mislynches on NK WIFOM it would make sense probably for a full Newbie team on that notion but the problem we don't have a lot of newbies in the game. Also I sorry about your dog too Lex I had a cat that died a couple years ago it affected me a little bit too despite the fact that that cat was kinda mean to me but very niceto my mom but very mean to my dad who bottle fed her as a kitten.
So you're saying you don't think RB is scum anymore?
Also sorry to hear that.
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On April 12 2016 21:12 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 21:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 21:07 LightningStrike wrote:
I here for a little bit and I do have some interesting thoughts. The first NK implicates GB/RB but the second implicates me very hard. I think scum was trying to push for these mislynches on NK WIFOM it would make sense probably for a full Newbie team on that notion but the problem we don't have a lot of newbies in the game. Also I sorry about your dog too Lex I had a cat that died a couple years ago it affected me a little bit too despite the fact that that cat was kinda mean to me but very niceto my mom but very mean to my dad who bottle fed her as a kitten. So you're saying you don't think RB is scum anymore? Also sorry to hear that. No it just something I thought of that was all and trying to make sense of all the NK's based on my WIFOM knowledge. Also no worries at least my cat is a better place as she was suffering from some tumors we didn't even see because that was as fat as Garfield.
Wait, do you think he's scum or not? The way I phrased the question doesn't make it very clear, sorry.
Also what are your other reads? What are your reads on me and Gosse specifically?
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On April 12 2016 21:14 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 21:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 21:02 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 20:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 20:47 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 20:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 20:31 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 20:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Surely Kura would now be aware of that and be trying harder? Why does it make it more likely for him to be scum rather than simply inactive town? The most memorable thing he did is his recent scumread on TW. I just don't think newblood town would be this indifferent and expect to magically find scum. Okay. Presumably you read Gosse as town and you've said you read me as town. Why do you think his case on me is bad? What about TW? Why are two, in your eyes townie players casing me and why are you so sure they're wrong, yet seem to be willing to just take the fall and not try to convince them? Because you gave them good reasons to scumread you by being incompetent to deliver scum thus far. What I think they fail to see is scum wouldn't be this bad. They'd be more like the people I've listed as scum. So your sole reason for townreading me is because I'm too scummy to be scum? Nothing else? And the way you seem to get more and more restless the worse your cred gets, yes. Also PoE. You keep saying PoE but your scumread on Kura feels PoE-y and not very fleshed out. Also please answer this: On April 12 2016 20:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 20:41 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 20:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 20:14 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 20:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 12 2016 19:59 Race Bannon wrote:On April 12 2016 19:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Not lynching someone because he's a townread of a townread is preposterous. Is it? Everyone is working off of the same material so why wouldn't someone at least second guess lynching a townread of a townread? Okay, who are you townreading? What are the townreads of all those people? Have you second guessed all those reads? On April 12 2016 19:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also why is Kura scum for being inactive when Spikasaur was just as inactive if not more and flipped town? Why is DYH still town despite being inactive? It makes sense for scum to try to do as little as possible without being first in line to get badmouthed for it. Spika did less than Kura so that made him feel safer. I think he would've been more active if Spika had been more active, if only to avoid being the extremity. I said I was overwhelmed and chose between you and GB, oblivious to the state of the votes because I checked in too late. Do you have other scumreads or will you persist to be a burden to the very end? Surely Kura would now be aware of that and be trying harder? Why does it make it more likely for him to be scum rather than simply inactive town? If you fully read my post you'll see my other scumreads are Gosse and Kura. I did not only second guess your meta read of LS, but rationally took the decision to disregard meta in his case based on what he said about his own meta and the fact that Fidei said he can't read him at all. I think I went through that analytical process and second guessing accordingly yes. Indeed, I didn't quite catch that. The point is, you said you expect every townie to second guess any scumread they have made by any townread they have. Firstly, they may have and just didn't post about it. Secondly, I don't exactly keep track of all of it and that seems silly. I'm pretty sure many people haven't. Thirdly, they might have actually gone through that but haven't posted about it. I expect everyone to do the second-guessing, and maybe Damdred is town and second-guessed his boxer because of me but kept on voting him anyway or not. At the end of the day it's more likely for scum to say they townread someone who townreads their scumread and mislynch that person regardless of what townies say anyway because it's their agenda. I just find it so oddly specific. Plenty of people have tunneled with townreads saying otherwise. I scumread GB and Damdred, my strongest townread said he's town. You still townread me. Why am I exempt from this but Damdred isn't? Because you were vocal, passionate and confident about it, while Damdred betrays insecurities saying at least he was right about GB. Also there's a hierarchy to my reasons for Dandred being scum and this one is low on the list honestly.
That's fair I suppose.
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On April 13 2016 00:26 Gossemerr wrote:
Art you say your are calm but you are not really -- pretty emotional in that response to my post. And now I'm suddenly one of your top scum picks because I'm actually voting a mafia instead of pushing a player who will flip town.
Guys Art is scum, RB probably town given this scenario.
Well yeah, I've never been mislynched before and the potential of getting mislynched gets me going, especially if it's not for very good reasons. You're not going to lynch me this game, for I am not mafia. I've detailed plenty of reasons throughout the thread.
Also, townreading RB from an unflipped association that is also wrong is awful.
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Look at his play objectively without associations and tell me he hasn't been playing very scummily.
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On April 13 2016 03:03 Kuragari42 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 18:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I am not getting my first mislynch ever as town in LYLO. Fuck you all. On April 12 2016 02:11 Gossemerr wrote:Now that kill seems like a set up for getting ls killed, way 2 obvious since fidei was riding him so hard. Clearly fid was an easy scum kill given that he was one of the few actually contributing. Our best move will be to lynch artanis. Putting us all up to that eod1 shit. After tunneling so hard on gb. Really? Then he moves perfectly back into the gb case and gets him ml’d. (which I certainly fell for as well). artanis = MAFIA, and we need to lynch him. guys/gals we are not going to lose today -- The case against Artanis.Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? Fidei, please shit townie rainbows if you're actually town. GlowingBear, please explain your BF read and thought process. 1. Now this is fucking nitpicking but if you follow his filter you’ll see this; notice how in the above he says With the people not “with how many.” Implying he knows something more than a town would = who is town and who are his SCUM buddies. He doesn’t give a flying fuck that he just caused a ML after tunneling in on a townie that he was so confident was scum (read his filter from D1 if you have any doubts on his thought process that day.) Why would it matter if GB was not there to defend himself, which would be best case scenario to lynch a mafia member when they can’t even talk their way out of it. Read GB’s case again on the matter: Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing 2. This follows that Artanis had a clear intention to set up his lynch targets from the very beginning. Race gets set up and has been poked by Artanis throughout most of this game: Show nested quote +On April 05 2016 09:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Through objective analysis I've deduced that Tumblewood, Spikasaur and Race Bannon are our 3 scum players. You may ask me why in the morning. Obviously D1 early callout means nothing, but it is like that movie with Will Smith where they set the gambler guy to pick a certain number by placing that number in plain sight for the whole week before hand. In this case Art has done it with GB and Race. 3.Read his response to GB’s case – spoilers because its long, well planned, and trys to counter every single point: + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2016 02:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Okay guys, you know who we're not lynching today? Me. I'm going to make a long-ass post right the fuck now and you're all going to read it and realize how bad you were for ever even considering me as scum, after which I will slam dunk scumbear some more. If for whatever reason you don't want to lynch him we can also lynch scum bannon. To keep your interest in this post and read it all the way through, I have uploaded several entertaining images depicting emotions I expect these two fellows to have as they go through this post. This post will contain narrative and self-meta. Deal with it. You're mafia because you wanted people to shenanny to Fidei when you were scumreading both GB and RB!First off, I have never* shenannied as mafia, whereas I have shenannied many times as town. I keep things simple as mafia, going for the safe plays over the fancy plays. I like to have control, not cause even more chaos like what happened. No one could've predicted what would happen at EoD and if any of the lead wagons were scum and Fidei is town, I could end up looking really bad and/or scum ends up getting lynched instead. GB casually escaping the thread after realizing he's fucked But GB brought up this point about how you could push him the day after if you're scum!That is technically correct. However, it is also narrative. Another explanation is that I simply thought Fidei was the most likely to flip mafia given the fact that Fidei generally tryhards, finds out he's playing a game 2 hours before deadline and doesn't put in any effort to do anything and just starts playing dota. I found that very unlikely to come from town. Since then I have changed my opinion on him given what he's posted during the night. Regardless, there is clear town motivation for my actions. I tried getting the person I felt was most likely to flip scum lynched. I no longer think he's the most likely person to flip scum, so I'm persuing GRB. Race Bannon realizing the gig is up But why did you instantly go after GB and RB again? Clearly you're confident enough that they're scum, so why?GB's return to the thread has been less than impressive. He's tunneling me much like he usually tunnels HF. None of his posts have followup. He said he played along with me in the start, but never followed up on it. He commented on a bunch of things people have been posting, but none of those had followups either. Calls me scum but doesn't actually substantiate it until I call him out on it and doesn't push the issue until he sees that it's gaining some momentum. So how certain are you that GB is going to flip scum?Roughly.. 80%? Probably around 60% for RB. Okay, so say the EoD shenannies don't make you scum. You still did nothing on the first part of D1 leading up to deadline.I have said in the pregame that I intend to spend less time on this game than before. I still pinged plenty of people and as many have put it, sparked discussion. Reads on DYH, Tumblewood, GB and Spikasaur that weren't posted as prolifically yet as I had as well as poking Damdred and RB. I say that given the amount of time I've put in the game I've done my fair share. Regardless you misremembered things about EoD!Shit was hectic and I have bad memory. I don't believe having poor memory is alignment indicative, especially when it's about things that can easily be checked. No reason to lie as either alignment. So there's basically no good reason to scumread you whatsoever?Yup, that's kinda what it comes down to. Y'all are jubjubs. Scumbear being chased by the man of the hour Can you tell us why GB and RB are scum again now?GlowingBear, I've already mentioned a lot of reasons why he's scum. No followup on anything he's done, and lack of caring in general. He created a narrative in which the actions at EoD make sense for him as town and me as scum, when actually the scenario that would make the most sense is for me to be town as I led a lynch off of him onto someone else whom could be scum. The only townie with the information that that isn't true is Fidei himself, and the fact that GB created this narrative before considering any others suggests an agenda. Race Bannon has contradicted himself time and time again. Firstly what Gossemerr pointed out about him believing that it was a mafia trait to hard townread CHodge only to do it himself, and his push on LS feels feigned. He doesn't dare to commit on GB because he doesn't want to scumread his scumbuddy. There are no good arguments not to vote on GB especially for him as he was on the table himself and he KNOWS he's town. The fact that he seems so disengaged on all the people that were up for lynch yesterday is concerning. So who are we lynching?Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well. *Exception being Imperial where I shenannied onto Palmar, but if I hadn't scum Marv would've likely gotten lynched. No such risk this game as proven by BF's flip. Going to just pull out one part: Show nested quote + So who are we lynching?
Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well.
Everything about his process is methodical, planned, and leading us to misslynch our town. So many posts about RB. Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Fidei what's your current read on RB? 4. Everyone read this post: Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 10 2016 07:39 Gossemerr wrote:
Can someone explain why we are adding lynch targets with 20 minutes left on the Day. We are going to end up with the EOD1 scenario... Bleh, you're right. Me or GB today guys. This is so NOT something a townie would do. Why would a town basically say its ok to misslynch them. He should be pushing GB super hard right now to make sure his top scum suspect gets the noose. But he doesn't have to here because I ended up doing that for him through my own bad reads and wanting the town to consolidate for once. 5. Backpeddling to fall back on when GB flips town: Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I must say that GB's reasonableness is making me itchy too though blsfkjsdf 5. After the ML: Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Off for the night now. Will make more sense of it tomorrow. Doesn't followup because he doesn't need to make sense of it for us. It DOESN'T as a town. Period. Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 07:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Don't have time for elaborated reads unfortunately. Scum leans on RB and I really dunno who else, so I'd default to the inactives. Townleans on Damdred/Fidei/TW/DYH/Gosse/LS roughly in that order. Need to look into Kura and Spike more. 6. Back on RB. No other analysis on anyone else. Has barely talked about DYH or Dam, and only slightly on TW and LS because he was forced too. In SummaryA. Picks out GB and RB D1 B. Eod1 shenns, doesn’t lynch his top scum C. Calm after ML, perfect response to criticisms D. Back to focusing on GB D2 E. Backpedals near lynch deadline F. N2 Doesn't care about ML, at least in terms of trying to make sense of it and content -- keeping the town muddled and in the dark. G. N2/D3 back to RB push that he set up from the beginning Artanis is mafia. lynch today and we can move forward.
Artanis is not demonstrating any sort of read progressions or deviations from his thoughts since the beginning of the game. IT IS FOLLOWING A PLAN. He is scum and needs to die.P.S: also read TW's case against him: + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2016 04:01 Tumblewood wrote:
Incoming "wtf is TW saying":
There's a reason I thought that Art was scum if GB was town: the case was too perfect. What I mean by that is that for every response GB had to the case, Art had a refutation. Perhaps what I'm trying to say is that the case felt very calculated and not organic (there was also virtually no emotion behind Art's words). If that happens, either town really caught scum, or scum is pushing hard for a ML. This is mostly a tone / feel read, but I feel weirdly good about it. A. Yes, I had two main scumreads. B. I had a stronger scumread near EoD. C. I'm usually calm as town. D. Fidei started looking more townie so I naturally went back to GB. E. He said something I found kinda townie but I didn't want to be dissuaded off a GB scum lynch like I had been in Outlaw. F. I don't think anyone really tried to 'make sense of it' so far. I was trying to figure out whether it meant RB was more likely to be town or not and what it meant for TW. Then TW made a good post and RB has been meh all day again. G. See F. He's been bad so he's probably scum. Your case does not make me mafia in the slightest. I have reasons to townread just about anyone but Kura, and until Spikasaur ended up flipping green I had no reasons to doubt my other reads. Damdred town for reasons I mentioned before regarding tone change. Tumblewood town because I don't think he expected his case to gain momentum yet he still went after a thread leader. DYH town because he's been producing decent content (TW cases have a good town process even though I don't think he's scum) One question for DYH though: Why did you say there was support for LS as scum but only gave Race Bannon "another look"? You say that Damdred gains town points for switching to BF which LS did as well, and other than that LS/RB's voting records are basically identical (voting each other needlessly D2/being offwagon). I thought Gosse was town but I'm actually starting to change my mind. Reason being that I felt like his cases were decent and had a good process behind them, but it feels like he's just hopping on wagons after they've launched. He was my greatest ally when I was pushing what turned out to be mislynch after mislynch, then suddenly thinks I'm scum after TW makes a case on me. It feels too sudden and far too opportunistic to be true. Feels like he's taking the momentum here. LS still town for genuine emotions like On April 12 2016 11:03 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 10:03 DoYouHas wrote:On April 07 2016 08:02 Shapelog wrote:Final vote count
Boxerfred (4): GlowingBear, LightningStrike, Tumblewood, Damdred, Fidei86, Damdred Fidei86 (3): Artanis[Xp]. Damdred, DoYouHas, SpikasuarGlowingBear (2): Artanis[Xp], CHodge, Kuragari42, Tumblewood Tumblewood (1): DoYouHas, boxerfredRace Bannon (1): CHodge, Gossemerr, CHodge, LightningStrike (1): Race Bannon Gossemerr (1): Fidei86,Non-Voters (0): On April 10 2016 08:07 Shapelog wrote:Ye Ole Final vote count
GlowingBear (4): Artanis[XP], Gossemerr,Tumblewood, Fidei86Tumblewood (3):DoYouHas Damdred. GlowingBear, DoYouHas LightningStrike (0): Race Bannon Artanis[Xp] (1): GlowingBear, DoYouHas Race Bannon Spikasaur (0): Fidei86Race Bannon (1): LightningStrike Non-Voters: Kuragari42, Spikasaur Here we go. Day1: Scum split their vote. With 6 lynch candidates with at least 1 vote the odds of all 3 being on different wagons goes up. Unfortunately not to much to be gotten out purely on votes. Damdred gets townpoints for the last second swap back to BF, which at least gave us a bit more information than the Fid lynch. Day2: Art, Goss, and TW all piled onto GB where they ended up on seperate wagons D1. Not too extraordinary since TW followed Art onto GB D1. Race throws his vote onto a non-wagon for a second time. LS throws away his vote on Race. - Support for Art as scum, support for LS as scum, Race needs another look. I tried to get people off GB and Lex 10 mins before EoD but no one fucking listened to me -_- Kura probably mafia for being a complete non-entity. I saw him play in Cell and I actually felt he had a bunch of decent contributions which are lacking here.Hold up. Seriously? I felt as though people overall disliked my play in Cell. + Show Spoiler +Race Bannon is the easy scum lynch today though.
-Contradicts himself time and time again (Calls LS out on TRing CHodge for no reason, does it himself)
-Tunneled on LS when people were discussing between two mislynches, meaning he would evade suspicion whilst making sure no one actually would sheep him
-Constantly comes into the thread with nothing of added value
-Really goddamn smug
-For no apparent reason has flipped his read on me
-Disengaged
##Vote Race Bannon
Pretty sure most people found plenty of reasons to townread you that game, myself included.
Why do YOU think I'm mafia?
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On April 13 2016 04:19 Gossemerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 04:01 Race Bannon wrote:On April 13 2016 03:53 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 03:52 Race Bannon wrote:On April 13 2016 00:28 Gossemerr wrote:
@Race why do you think Art is pushing you so hard?
He has been from the beginning. Get you misslynched and win. I'm not seeing how a more stealthy approach would've been less incriminating. @Art Do you think Kura's recent ahoy in activity is scummy? Right, I'm asking: do you agree that Art is our lynch today? Help me lynch LS, Kura or Damdred FFS! We need to lynch mafia or we lose. Art is def scum.
Where is your certainty coming from?
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On April 13 2016 05:13 Gossemerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 04:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 04:19 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 04:01 Race Bannon wrote:On April 13 2016 03:53 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 03:52 Race Bannon wrote:On April 13 2016 00:28 Gossemerr wrote:
@Race why do you think Art is pushing you so hard?
He has been from the beginning. Get you misslynched and win. I'm not seeing how a more stealthy approach would've been less incriminating. @Art Do you think Kura's recent ahoy in activity is scummy? Right, I'm asking: do you agree that Art is our lynch today? Help me lynch LS, Kura or Damdred FFS! We need to lynch mafia or we lose. Art is def scum. Where is your certainty coming from? You are too good of a player to be leading us this poorly. And everything in my case. +GB's case +TW's little case
Yeah because I've never played badly as town before.
I already refuted your cases, and you're also being contradictory. TW's case states that I've been lacking emotion whereas you called me out on having a lot of emotion earlier. GB also ended up believing TW was more likely scum than I was at the end so you're cherry picking here.
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Anyways, I'm an idiot, but I'm also the cop.
The idiot part because I ended up greenchecking CHodge N1 (believed he was HF and if it was he could definitely be scum and crush us all) and greenchecked RB N2 which is stupid because I want to lynch him anyway. His play lines up well with being a godfather in the sense that he's been very abrasive, basically inviting people to check him.
Can we please lynch someone not me and not immediately lose the game AND cause my first mislynch ever? That would be nice.
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And no I didn't leave any breadcrumbs because I tried that once in I can't believed it's not themed and it looked so awkward it got pinged out immediately.
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On April 13 2016 06:02 Gossemerr wrote:
You didn't have emotion until today with the new heat on you. Why would you check CH and not GB your top scum pick?
I felt confident enough that I could win the game for town if someone like HF wasn't leading the team.
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On April 13 2016 06:03 Gossemerr wrote:
also lol @ cherrypicking.. its not like you are going to come out and say that you are scum. everything just adds up that way
Of course it's cherrypicking. You're taking a dead man's second scumread that he really wasn't that sure about anymore and using it as a reason to scumread me. You also only started pushing this after TW's case came up, and now you're trying to push an uncounterclaimed cop. How tunneled are you?
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On April 13 2016 06:05 Gossemerr wrote:
CH was looking pretty town. HF leading as town would have been fine. Find scum is cop's top job. You coould have check CH N2 or pushed a lynch on him D2 instead of GB. You were so confident in GB scum that you didnt want to N1 check him?
HF leading if he was scum would not be fine. HF is very good at playing scum and he could've definitely deceived the town. If he's scum, I wanted to know as soon as possible.
No, I wasn't certain on GB but this felt more important.
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I also didn't expect it was likely I'd be alive after N2, but then the GB thing happened. Had to know by D2.
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On April 13 2016 06:09 Kuragari42 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 04:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 03:03 Kuragari42 wrote:On April 12 2016 18:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I am not getting my first mislynch ever as town in LYLO. Fuck you all. On April 12 2016 02:11 Gossemerr wrote:Now that kill seems like a set up for getting ls killed, way 2 obvious since fidei was riding him so hard. Clearly fid was an easy scum kill given that he was one of the few actually contributing. Our best move will be to lynch artanis. Putting us all up to that eod1 shit. After tunneling so hard on gb. Really? Then he moves perfectly back into the gb case and gets him ml’d. (which I certainly fell for as well). artanis = MAFIA, and we need to lynch him. guys/gals we are not going to lose today -- The case against Artanis.Show nested quote +On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? Fidei, please shit townie rainbows if you're actually town. GlowingBear, please explain your BF read and thought process. 1. Now this is fucking nitpicking but if you follow his filter you’ll see this; notice how in the above he says With the people not “with how many.” Implying he knows something more than a town would = who is town and who are his SCUM buddies. He doesn’t give a flying fuck that he just caused a ML after tunneling in on a townie that he was so confident was scum (read his filter from D1 if you have any doubts on his thought process that day.) Why would it matter if GB was not there to defend himself, which would be best case scenario to lynch a mafia member when they can’t even talk their way out of it. Read GB’s case again on the matter: Show nested quote +On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)
But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.
The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.
To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing 2. This follows that Artanis had a clear intention to set up his lynch targets from the very beginning. Race gets set up and has been poked by Artanis throughout most of this game: Show nested quote +On April 05 2016 09:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Through objective analysis I've deduced that Tumblewood, Spikasaur and Race Bannon are our 3 scum players. You may ask me why in the morning. Obviously D1 early callout means nothing, but it is like that movie with Will Smith where they set the gambler guy to pick a certain number by placing that number in plain sight for the whole week before hand. In this case Art has done it with GB and Race. 3.Read his response to GB’s case – spoilers because its long, well planned, and trys to counter every single point: + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2016 02:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Okay guys, you know who we're not lynching today? Me. I'm going to make a long-ass post right the fuck now and you're all going to read it and realize how bad you were for ever even considering me as scum, after which I will slam dunk scumbear some more. If for whatever reason you don't want to lynch him we can also lynch scum bannon. To keep your interest in this post and read it all the way through, I have uploaded several entertaining images depicting emotions I expect these two fellows to have as they go through this post. This post will contain narrative and self-meta. Deal with it. You're mafia because you wanted people to shenanny to Fidei when you were scumreading both GB and RB!First off, I have never* shenannied as mafia, whereas I have shenannied many times as town. I keep things simple as mafia, going for the safe plays over the fancy plays. I like to have control, not cause even more chaos like what happened. No one could've predicted what would happen at EoD and if any of the lead wagons were scum and Fidei is town, I could end up looking really bad and/or scum ends up getting lynched instead. GB casually escaping the thread after realizing he's fucked But GB brought up this point about how you could push him the day after if you're scum!That is technically correct. However, it is also narrative. Another explanation is that I simply thought Fidei was the most likely to flip mafia given the fact that Fidei generally tryhards, finds out he's playing a game 2 hours before deadline and doesn't put in any effort to do anything and just starts playing dota. I found that very unlikely to come from town. Since then I have changed my opinion on him given what he's posted during the night. Regardless, there is clear town motivation for my actions. I tried getting the person I felt was most likely to flip scum lynched. I no longer think he's the most likely person to flip scum, so I'm persuing GRB. Race Bannon realizing the gig is up But why did you instantly go after GB and RB again? Clearly you're confident enough that they're scum, so why?GB's return to the thread has been less than impressive. He's tunneling me much like he usually tunnels HF. None of his posts have followup. He said he played along with me in the start, but never followed up on it. He commented on a bunch of things people have been posting, but none of those had followups either. Calls me scum but doesn't actually substantiate it until I call him out on it and doesn't push the issue until he sees that it's gaining some momentum. So how certain are you that GB is going to flip scum?Roughly.. 80%? Probably around 60% for RB. Okay, so say the EoD shenannies don't make you scum. You still did nothing on the first part of D1 leading up to deadline.I have said in the pregame that I intend to spend less time on this game than before. I still pinged plenty of people and as many have put it, sparked discussion. Reads on DYH, Tumblewood, GB and Spikasaur that weren't posted as prolifically yet as I had as well as poking Damdred and RB. I say that given the amount of time I've put in the game I've done my fair share. Regardless you misremembered things about EoD!Shit was hectic and I have bad memory. I don't believe having poor memory is alignment indicative, especially when it's about things that can easily be checked. No reason to lie as either alignment. So there's basically no good reason to scumread you whatsoever?Yup, that's kinda what it comes down to. Y'all are jubjubs. Scumbear being chased by the man of the hour Can you tell us why GB and RB are scum again now?GlowingBear, I've already mentioned a lot of reasons why he's scum. No followup on anything he's done, and lack of caring in general. He created a narrative in which the actions at EoD make sense for him as town and me as scum, when actually the scenario that would make the most sense is for me to be town as I led a lynch off of him onto someone else whom could be scum. The only townie with the information that that isn't true is Fidei himself, and the fact that GB created this narrative before considering any others suggests an agenda. Race Bannon has contradicted himself time and time again. Firstly what Gossemerr pointed out about him believing that it was a mafia trait to hard townread CHodge only to do it himself, and his push on LS feels feigned. He doesn't dare to commit on GB because he doesn't want to scumread his scumbuddy. There are no good arguments not to vote on GB especially for him as he was on the table himself and he KNOWS he's town. The fact that he seems so disengaged on all the people that were up for lynch yesterday is concerning. So who are we lynching?Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well. *Exception being Imperial where I shenannied onto Palmar, but if I hadn't scum Marv would've likely gotten lynched. No such risk this game as proven by BF's flip. Going to just pull out one part: Show nested quote + So who are we lynching?
Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well.
Everything about his process is methodical, planned, and leading us to misslynch our town. So many posts about RB. Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Fidei what's your current read on RB? 4. Everyone read this post: Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 10 2016 07:39 Gossemerr wrote:
Can someone explain why we are adding lynch targets with 20 minutes left on the Day. We are going to end up with the EOD1 scenario... Bleh, you're right. Me or GB today guys. This is so NOT something a townie would do. Why would a town basically say its ok to misslynch them. He should be pushing GB super hard right now to make sure his top scum suspect gets the noose. But he doesn't have to here because I ended up doing that for him through my own bad reads and wanting the town to consolidate for once. 5. Backpeddling to fall back on when GB flips town: Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I must say that GB's reasonableness is making me itchy too though blsfkjsdf 5. After the ML: Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Off for the night now. Will make more sense of it tomorrow. Doesn't followup because he doesn't need to make sense of it for us. It DOESN'T as a town. Period. Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 07:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Don't have time for elaborated reads unfortunately. Scum leans on RB and I really dunno who else, so I'd default to the inactives. Townleans on Damdred/Fidei/TW/DYH/Gosse/LS roughly in that order. Need to look into Kura and Spike more. 6. Back on RB. No other analysis on anyone else. Has barely talked about DYH or Dam, and only slightly on TW and LS because he was forced too. In SummaryA. Picks out GB and RB D1 B. Eod1 shenns, doesn’t lynch his top scum C. Calm after ML, perfect response to criticisms D. Back to focusing on GB D2 E. Backpedals near lynch deadline F. N2 Doesn't care about ML, at least in terms of trying to make sense of it and content -- keeping the town muddled and in the dark. G. N2/D3 back to RB push that he set up from the beginning Artanis is mafia. lynch today and we can move forward.
Artanis is not demonstrating any sort of read progressions or deviations from his thoughts since the beginning of the game. IT IS FOLLOWING A PLAN. He is scum and needs to die.P.S: also read TW's case against him: + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2016 04:01 Tumblewood wrote:
Incoming "wtf is TW saying":
There's a reason I thought that Art was scum if GB was town: the case was too perfect. What I mean by that is that for every response GB had to the case, Art had a refutation. Perhaps what I'm trying to say is that the case felt very calculated and not organic (there was also virtually no emotion behind Art's words). If that happens, either town really caught scum, or scum is pushing hard for a ML. This is mostly a tone / feel read, but I feel weirdly good about it. A. Yes, I had two main scumreads. B. I had a stronger scumread near EoD. C. I'm usually calm as town. D. Fidei started looking more townie so I naturally went back to GB. E. He said something I found kinda townie but I didn't want to be dissuaded off a GB scum lynch like I had been in Outlaw. F. I don't think anyone really tried to 'make sense of it' so far. I was trying to figure out whether it meant RB was more likely to be town or not and what it meant for TW. Then TW made a good post and RB has been meh all day again. G. See F. He's been bad so he's probably scum. Your case does not make me mafia in the slightest. I have reasons to townread just about anyone but Kura, and until Spikasaur ended up flipping green I had no reasons to doubt my other reads. Damdred town for reasons I mentioned before regarding tone change. Tumblewood town because I don't think he expected his case to gain momentum yet he still went after a thread leader. DYH town because he's been producing decent content (TW cases have a good town process even though I don't think he's scum) One question for DYH though: Why did you say there was support for LS as scum but only gave Race Bannon "another look"? You say that Damdred gains town points for switching to BF which LS did as well, and other than that LS/RB's voting records are basically identical (voting each other needlessly D2/being offwagon). I thought Gosse was town but I'm actually starting to change my mind. Reason being that I felt like his cases were decent and had a good process behind them, but it feels like he's just hopping on wagons after they've launched. He was my greatest ally when I was pushing what turned out to be mislynch after mislynch, then suddenly thinks I'm scum after TW makes a case on me. It feels too sudden and far too opportunistic to be true. Feels like he's taking the momentum here. LS still town for genuine emotions like On April 12 2016 11:03 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2016 10:03 DoYouHas wrote:On April 07 2016 08:02 Shapelog wrote:Final vote count
Boxerfred (4): GlowingBear, LightningStrike, Tumblewood, Damdred, Fidei86, Damdred Fidei86 (3): Artanis[Xp]. Damdred, DoYouHas, SpikasuarGlowingBear (2): Artanis[Xp], CHodge, Kuragari42, Tumblewood Tumblewood (1): DoYouHas, boxerfredRace Bannon (1): CHodge, Gossemerr, CHodge, LightningStrike (1): Race Bannon Gossemerr (1): Fidei86,Non-Voters (0): On April 10 2016 08:07 Shapelog wrote:Ye Ole Final vote count
GlowingBear (4): Artanis[XP], Gossemerr,Tumblewood, Fidei86Tumblewood (3):DoYouHas Damdred. GlowingBear, DoYouHas LightningStrike (0): Race Bannon Artanis[Xp] (1): GlowingBear, DoYouHas Race Bannon Spikasaur (0): Fidei86Race Bannon (1): LightningStrike Non-Voters: Kuragari42, Spikasaur Here we go. Day1: Scum split their vote. With 6 lynch candidates with at least 1 vote the odds of all 3 being on different wagons goes up. Unfortunately not to much to be gotten out purely on votes. Damdred gets townpoints for the last second swap back to BF, which at least gave us a bit more information than the Fid lynch. Day2: Art, Goss, and TW all piled onto GB where they ended up on seperate wagons D1. Not too extraordinary since TW followed Art onto GB D1. Race throws his vote onto a non-wagon for a second time. LS throws away his vote on Race. - Support for Art as scum, support for LS as scum, Race needs another look. I tried to get people off GB and Lex 10 mins before EoD but no one fucking listened to me -_- Kura probably mafia for being a complete non-entity. I saw him play in Cell and I actually felt he had a bunch of decent contributions which are lacking here.Hold up. Seriously? I felt as though people overall disliked my play in Cell. + Show Spoiler +Race Bannon is the easy scum lynch today though.
-Contradicts himself time and time again (Calls LS out on TRing CHodge for no reason, does it himself)
-Tunneled on LS when people were discussing between two mislynches, meaning he would evade suspicion whilst making sure no one actually would sheep him
-Constantly comes into the thread with nothing of added value
-Really goddamn smug
-For no apparent reason has flipped his read on me
-Disengaged
##Vote Race Bannon Pretty sure most people found plenty of reasons to townread you that game, myself included. Why do YOU think I'm mafia? Hmm, I would not have thought that. Well, it's more that I have found very little to town read you for. That paired with a couple of "why tf would he do that" moments and your read on RB. However, I'd much rather lynch tumbledore today than you.
Which "why tf would he do that" moments are you talking about?
Also I really don't understand how you can't have found reasons to TR me by now. I've been proactive and pushing shit as much as I can when I'm here and gone above and beyond how much I said I'd be active. I've cared more than just about anyone and I'm still forced to claim because town either wants to lynch me or all the townies are afk.
I don't think TW is mafia. Why do you think he's mafia?
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Wow, you're good at capitalizing random letters in your posts.
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Well that confirms you're mafia.
##Unvote
##Vote Gossemerr
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On April 13 2016 06:15 Gossemerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 06:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wow, you're good at capitalizing random letters in your posts. lol look at the time points, and the speed at which i just did that after you posted. fuck off
Obviously you had all the time in the world to prepare for it since you knew it was LYLO today for ~46 hours already and your plan was to mislynch me to win the game today at all costs.
REMEMBER SCUM ONLY NEEDS ONE MISLYNCH TO WIN THE GAME
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On April 13 2016 06:16 Gossemerr wrote:
if this town was here this would be the easiest post. why the hell would i counter claim as mafia when i wouldnt need to worry about lynching you to win this game.. lol
Obviously you prepared for the situation in which I turned out to be blue since you only need one mislynch. That's not an argument. On the same token, why would I claim to check CHodge N1 when I could've claimed a check on just about anyone?
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On April 13 2016 06:21 Gossemerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 06:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 06:16 Gossemerr wrote:
if this town was here this would be the easiest post. why the hell would i counter claim as mafia when i wouldnt need to worry about lynching you to win this game.. lol Obviously you prepared for the situation in which I turned out to be blue since you only need one mislynch. That's not an argument. On the same token, why would I claim to check CHodge N1 when I could've claimed a check on just about anyone? there is absolutely no reason for me to counter claim as mafia. blue claiming would help the scum team. could easily role block every night or just kill the blue then.
Of course there's reason to counterclaim: You win outright with a mislynch. What more would you need?
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On April 13 2016 06:26 Kuragari42 wrote:
Damn. My brain hurts.
Who's scummier: The people hardpushing mislynches or the people that just taxi on them like Gosse's been doing?
His only original scumread was RB and he never pushed it that hard, and now he's found a reason to stop scumreading him. Very convenient.
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On April 13 2016 06:27 Kuragari42 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 06:21 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 06:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 06:16 Gossemerr wrote:
if this town was here this would be the easiest post. why the hell would i counter claim as mafia when i wouldnt need to worry about lynching you to win this game.. lol Obviously you prepared for the situation in which I turned out to be blue since you only need one mislynch. That's not an argument. On the same token, why would I claim to check CHodge N1 when I could've claimed a check on just about anyone? there is absolutely no reason for me to counter claim as mafia. blue claiming would help the scum team. could easily role block every night or just kill the blue then. But..
The fact that he tried to deny that there's clear scum motivation is pretty telling.
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On April 13 2016 06:25 Gossemerr wrote:
Art why did you have to roll scum. None of the other townies want to help me win this game.
DAT SCUMSLIP
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Lynch this dude with the fire of a thousand suns.
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On April 13 2016 06:30 Gossemerr wrote:
guys seriously look at my filter if you need too. i was scum reading LS hard. then i dropped it almost completely after N1 when the check came back town.
then suddenly after N2 im tunneling art hard. and i mean only art.
Opportunistic. I shut down the LS lynch. TW gave you an entrance into lynching me and the momentum was going against me after the GB flip.
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On April 13 2016 06:31 Gossemerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 06:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 06:25 Gossemerr wrote:
Art why did you have to roll scum. None of the other townies want to help me win this game. DAT SCUMSLIP yes there are 4 other towns here. art is basically trying to bully his way out of this.
There is a reason I never get lynched as town and I often get lynched as scum.
Protip: It's because I just give up as scum but keep trying till the end as town. If I have to 'bully' people into voting you, I will.
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On April 13 2016 06:32 Kuragari42 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 06:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 06:25 Gossemerr wrote:
Art why did you have to roll scum. None of the other townies want to help me win this game. DAT SCUMSLIP What scumslip? Other Townies = townies besides himself Atleast that's what I see.
It read like he was referring to me as other townies compared to me given there's no enter in there at all.
On April 13 2016 06:32 Gossemerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 06:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 06:30 Gossemerr wrote:
guys seriously look at my filter if you need too. i was scum reading LS hard. then i dropped it almost completely after N1 when the check came back town.
then suddenly after N2 im tunneling art hard. and i mean only art.
Opportunistic. I shut down the LS lynch. TW gave you an entrance into lynching me and the momentum was going against me after the GB flip. you have a claim against everything rofl other people please read for yourselves.
I have information you don't. I 100% know he's scum.
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On April 13 2016 06:34 Gossemerr wrote:
you 100% know whos scum?
Well if you could name the other two I'd be much obliged.
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On April 13 2016 06:37 Gossemerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 06:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 06:34 Gossemerr wrote:
you 100% know whos scum? Well if you could name the other two I'd be much obliged. once you are gone, finding out the other two is gonna be a bitch considering nobody talks much in this game lol
But once I'm gone the game ends so that's a bad idea
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On April 13 2016 06:37 Kuragari42 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 06:32 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 06:30 Kuragari42 wrote:On April 13 2016 06:25 Gossemerr wrote:
Art why did you have to roll scum. None of the other townies want to help me win this game. Wtf, I'm finally here and you just ignore me. i mean look at the two cop claims and you tell me when one you think is mafia, art is clearly faking it. one of us has to be mafia obviously lynching TW is dumb at this point I think either of you could be scum.. I am fairly confident TW is scum.
We have to decide today. This situation will never be resolved and he'll just invent new cop checks, or won't even bother if we don't end up lynching the rber since he could just claim rbed.
Lynch Gossemer. Lynch mafia.
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On April 13 2016 06:39 Kuragari42 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 06:34 Tumblewood wrote:
Kura, why do you want to lynch me when there is a guaranteed scum among art and Goss? Because I kind of thought the scum team was You/Art/Goss. I don't trust myself to pick the scum from the 2 of them when I thought they were both scum.
You know, it would be epic if this was some kind of double bus between me and goss that guaranteed the survivor would win at lylo.
Such a shame it isn't true
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On April 13 2016 06:42 Gossemerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 06:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 06:37 Kuragari42 wrote:On April 13 2016 06:32 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 06:30 Kuragari42 wrote:On April 13 2016 06:25 Gossemerr wrote:
Art why did you have to roll scum. None of the other townies want to help me win this game. Wtf, I'm finally here and you just ignore me. i mean look at the two cop claims and you tell me when one you think is mafia, art is clearly faking it. one of us has to be mafia obviously lynching TW is dumb at this point I think either of you could be scum.. I am fairly confident TW is scum. We have to decide today. This situation will never be resolved and he'll just invent new cop checks, or won't even bother if we don't end up lynching the rber since he could just claim rbed. Lynch Gossemer. Lynch mafia. OK OK OK LMAO NOW THERE IS A REAL SCUM SLIP [bhe'll just invent new cop checks] I couldn't invent new scum slips because: 1. the game would be over if you were actually town and we ML you 2. you would be blue cop in that scenario so i couldnt even claim checks - if the game didnt end as in 1 anyways 3. pretty much you just implicated that TW is mafia with you since in this scenario lynching him wouldnt end the fucking game.. so town -- we lynch art today and TW tomorrow [/b]
I'm talking about if we lynch someone that isn't either of us doo doo head.
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And I don't know if lynching TW would end the game since I don't know his alignment.
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Tumblewood, get in here and engage with me. Why do you believe I'm mafia over Gosse?
If you vote wrong and you're town the game is over since mafia can just pile onto me at the end.
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On April 13 2016 06:51 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 06:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Tumblewood, get in here and engage with me. Why do you believe I'm mafia over Gosse?
If you vote wrong and you're town the game is over since mafia can just pile onto me at the end. You saw my case on you, right? I'll tell you why I think Goss is town once I get to a computer.
Yes, I answered it. I don't think it's right. It comes down to "he's playing too perfect" which is a silly argument to make. The reason I had an answer for 'everything' was because it was crystal clear to me why I thought he was scum. I tend to bring things in a manner that isn't very emotional because I don't tend to get emotional unless I'm about to get lynched.
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On April 13 2016 07:14 Damdred wrote:
Art I'll spite lynch you answer my questions
Make me.
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On April 13 2016 07:16 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 07:14 Tumblewood wrote:
Damdred, why do you think any of what you think this game? Because I suck at mafia now. Anyway I really haven't read much so yeah. Gos hard scamming ls early and dropping it plays more like a cop,check than arts checks so far. He should,know better than to claim with green checks.
Flowers don't know bout my green checks.
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On April 13 2016 07:18 Damdred wrote:
Yeah if you can't be respectful to me then you can get lynched.
I only post gifs in response to my most respected of patrons.
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I'm sorry, I meant to post this gif.
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On April 13 2016 07:23 Tumblewood wrote:
I have to go now
Join me in one last prayer session
Disturbing the peace.
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On April 13 2016 07:30 Gossemerr wrote:
lmao art trying to go out in style
Well played scum. You got me mislynched for the first time.
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On April 13 2016 07:36 Gossemerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 07:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 07:30 Gossemerr wrote:
lmao art trying to go out in style Well played scum. You got me mislynched for the first time. you get to ride off into the sunset with your streak still in hand sir! (well as a ghost)
Presuming that's true, this would be how I would feel about that.
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Unfortunately it's not because I'm town
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On April 13 2016 07:47 Gossemerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 07:36 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 07:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 07:30 Gossemerr wrote:
lmao art trying to go out in style Well played scum. You got me mislynched for the first time. you get to ride off into the sunset with your streak still in hand sir! (well as a ghost) Presuming that's true, this would be how I would feel about that. Unfortunately it's not because I'm town you do feel like dat
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On April 13 2016 07:48 Gossemerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 07:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 07:47 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 07:36 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 07:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 07:30 Gossemerr wrote:
lmao art trying to go out in style Well played scum. You got me mislynched for the first time. you get to ride off into the sunset with your streak still in hand sir! (well as a ghost) Presuming that's true, this would be how I would feel about that. Unfortunately it's not because I'm town you do feel like dat no. well in 12 mins you feel dat
I feel the heat
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I leave you with my reads:
Confirmed Town:
Artanis[Xp]
Confirmed Scum:
Gossemer
You're welcome.
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On April 13 2016 07:53 Gossemerr wrote:
Art are you emotional now? better change that meta for next game :D
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On April 13 2016 07:54 Gossemerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 07:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I leave you with my reads:
Confirmed Town:
Artanis[Xp]
Confirmed Scum:
Gossemer
You're welcome. pls confirm other scum
Shapelog
Rsoultin
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On April 13 2016 07:53 Gossemerr wrote:
Art are you emotional now? better change that meta for next game :D
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On April 13 2016 07:56 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 07:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 07:54 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 07:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I leave you with my reads:
Confirmed Town:
Artanis[Xp]
Confirmed Scum:
Gossemer
You're welcome. pls confirm other scum Shapelog
Rsoultin Wait why is your girlfriend scum?
Because she's American!
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On April 13 2016 07:57 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 07:56 LightningStrike wrote:On April 13 2016 07:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 13 2016 07:54 Gossemerr wrote:On April 13 2016 07:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I leave you with my reads:
Confirmed Town:
Artanis[Xp]
Confirmed Scum:
Gossemer
You're welcome. pls confirm other scum Shapelog
Rsoultin Wait why is your girlfriend scum? Because she's American! But I am a American too :o
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'Hel', in Norse mythology, originally the name of the world of the dead; it later came to mean the goddess of death. Hel was one of the children of the trickster god Loki, and her kingdom was said to lie downward and northward. It was called Niflheim, or the World of Darkness, and appears to have been divided into several sections, one of which was Náströnd, the shore of corpses. There stood a castle facing north; it was filled with the venom of serpents, in which murderers, adulterers, and perjurers suffered torment, while the dragon Nidhogg sucked the blood from their bodies. Mention is made in an early poem of the nine worlds of Niflheim. It was said that those who fell in battle did not go to Hel but to the god Odin, in Valhalla, the hall of the slain.
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'Gjöll' is one of the eleven rivers of 'Hel', in Norse mythology, Gjöll is the river that flows closest to the gate of underworld and it's spanned by a bridge (Gjallarbrú), which must be crossed in order to reach 'Hel'. According to Gylfaginning. It is described as a covered bridge, "thatched with glittering gold", which was crossed by 'Hermód' during his quest to retrieve 'Baldr' from the land of the dead. The river is said to be freezing cold and have knives flowing through it.
Hermód was sent to retrieve the fallen god from the land of the dead. When 'Hermód' arrived at the bridge he was challenged by the giant maiden Módgud who demanded that he state his name and business before allowing him to pass.
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On April 15 2016 00:25 Tumblewood wrote:
I don't think Art would tell his partners to vote Goss if it didn't certainly lead to a lynch
/m169 Yes, just do that. Maybe vote for Goss first claiming you thought I was town and don't know what's going on then end up changing it in the end.
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On April 16 2016 12:40 Alakaslam wrote:
I am so coach I don't even need to coach
I just lend my essence to the scumteam and BAM! Victory
Sweet victory
HIJOLE
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