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On December 04 2015 09:10 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 08:55 DoYouHas wrote:On December 04 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
I actually think an LS Dani team makes a hell of a lot of sense here. LS has given us no reason post lynch to think he's anything other than town (deadline thing is terrible). Dani is in the thread desperately trying to open the door to his non-lynch, for no apparent reason, and despite the fact SHE IS VOTING FOR HIM. The is a bad association, not just because they are unflipped. The problem with HtS's EoD isn't what you are saying here. The problem is that her sentiment and action don't match. Her sentiment is that she has major doubts that the lynch is a good one. Her action is to stay on the wagon when she has plenty of reasons, based on her own reads, to go for another lynch on me, kush, or moosy. This is positioning for a townflip while doing nothing substantial to stop it. I see what you are saying here but there are people here saying she is town for that, and there are proven cases of her doing this as town when she doesn't have an alternative scumread. She has mislynched people as town/town-oriented third party trying to do stuff like this. The problem is where she actually goes and why. She would have mislynched LS if it was in her best interest to mislynch him, the reason she went to kush is because kush was scumreading her. This is what I was saying before, she has a track record of wanting to kill people who want her dead. The reason I asked you before what her role was in the lynch is because generally her play as mafia is to do one of two things - make a bunch of cases and do nothing with it, or ferret people and do nothing with it, or she WILL push someone but she won't do it until ridiculously close to end of cycle.
One thing I did find interesting about her switch from LS to kush was her pinning it on me. Arguably yes, I was the one who started that shenanny onto kush but I wasn't the first one to bring it up. Fidei was. But when she did it, she posted "Done, Shining" as if to absolve herself of a potential ML and pin it on me, when Fidei suggested it first. Why didn't she(or anyone else, for that matter) refer to Fidei instead of me during that shenanny? I'll have to go reread EoD now, too.
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On December 04 2015 08:59 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 08:55 DoYouHas wrote:On December 04 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
I actually think an LS Dani team makes a hell of a lot of sense here. LS has given us no reason post lynch to think he's anything other than town (deadline thing is terrible). Dani is in the thread desperately trying to open the door to his non-lynch, for no apparent reason, and despite the fact SHE IS VOTING FOR HIM. The is a bad association, not just because they are unflipped. The problem with HtS's EoD isn't what you are saying here. The problem is that her sentiment and action don't match. Her sentiment is that she has major doubts that the lynch is a good one. Her action is to stay on the wagon when she has plenty of reasons, based on her own reads, to go for another lynch on me, kush, or moosy. This is positioning for a townflip while doing nothing substantial to stop it. Heh, that actually makes a lot more sense than my point. Damn. What was HTS' read of Kush before EOD *goes to filter*
She was scumreading him, I went to that too, they were both scumreading each other. In theory, the move doesn't look bad, because she can always say that she was going to vote a scumread. But see, that's the thing. it's because kush is scumreading her, and she eliminates a thread. She looks good, and escapes culpability (is that a word?)
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EBWOP - She eliminates a threat.
fuck it I don't think culpability is a word, but I meant to say she escapes potential blame for the mislynch.
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Alex I have two questions for you. One of them is unfair, but I'll let you beat me at RL Mafia to make it up to you.
1. What is your case on Dani? Because I personally find it extremely weird that you come into the thread with a "100% Dani is Mafia" read, but don't really flesh it out. The first thing you said substantively was basically copied from someone else. In Resistance V your read on her was spot on, and it was quick and to the point. Ditto on your reads when we played together in Newbie - the Fidei throw edition. The more you go on, the more it sort of seems like you're trying to get her lynched because she might correctly read you.
2. I don't think it's likely that Dani would intentionally play up being ill to win a game. She has certainly liberally sprinkled Og knowledge in game before. But here it seems like pretty much every other post she makes references it. I really hope she gets well soon (<3) but is it possible she is subconsciously playing it up to win sympathy?
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On December 04 2015 09:17 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 09:10 NocturneMage wrote:On December 04 2015 08:55 DoYouHas wrote:On December 04 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
I actually think an LS Dani team makes a hell of a lot of sense here. LS has given us no reason post lynch to think he's anything other than town (deadline thing is terrible). Dani is in the thread desperately trying to open the door to his non-lynch, for no apparent reason, and despite the fact SHE IS VOTING FOR HIM. The is a bad association, not just because they are unflipped. The problem with HtS's EoD isn't what you are saying here. The problem is that her sentiment and action don't match. Her sentiment is that she has major doubts that the lynch is a good one. Her action is to stay on the wagon when she has plenty of reasons, based on her own reads, to go for another lynch on me, kush, or moosy. This is positioning for a townflip while doing nothing substantial to stop it. I see what you are saying here but there are people here saying she is town for that, and there are proven cases of her doing this as town when she doesn't have an alternative scumread. She has mislynched people as town/town-oriented third party trying to do stuff like this. The problem is where she actually goes and why. She would have mislynched LS if it was in her best interest to mislynch him, the reason she went to kush is because kush was scumreading her. This is what I was saying before, she has a track record of wanting to kill people who want her dead. The reason I asked you before what her role was in the lynch is because generally her play as mafia is to do one of two things - make a bunch of cases and do nothing with it, or ferret people and do nothing with it, or she WILL push someone but she won't do it until ridiculously close to end of cycle. One thing I did find interesting about her switch from LS to kush was her pinning it on me. Arguably yes, I was the one who started that shenanny onto kush but I wasn't the first one to bring it up. Fidei was. But when she did it, she posted "Done, Shining" as if to absolve herself of a potential ML and pin it on me, when Fidei suggested it first. Why didn't she(or anyone else, for that matter) refer to Fidei instead of me during that shenanny? I'll have to go reread EoD now, too.
Because she and Fidei are both scum? 
Alright, seriously I didn't even catch that, but that lends more credibility to a Fidei/HTS scumteam.
I am really liking this now.
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On December 04 2015 09:10 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 08:55 DoYouHas wrote:On December 04 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
I actually think an LS Dani team makes a hell of a lot of sense here. LS has given us no reason post lynch to think he's anything other than town (deadline thing is terrible). Dani is in the thread desperately trying to open the door to his non-lynch, for no apparent reason, and despite the fact SHE IS VOTING FOR HIM. The is a bad association, not just because they are unflipped. The problem with HtS's EoD isn't what you are saying here. The problem is that her sentiment and action don't match. Her sentiment is that she has major doubts that the lynch is a good one. Her action is to stay on the wagon when she has plenty of reasons, based on her own reads, to go for another lynch on me, kush, or moosy. This is positioning for a townflip while doing nothing substantial to stop it. I see what you are saying here but there are people here saying she is town for that, and there are proven cases of her doing this as town when she doesn't have an alternative scumread. She has mislynched people as town/town-oriented third party trying to do stuff like this. The problem is where she actually goes and why. She would have mislynched LS if it was in her best interest to mislynch him, the reason she went to kush is because kush was scumreading her. This is what I was saying before, she has a track record of wanting to kill people who want her dead. The reason I asked you before what her role was in the lynch is because generally her play as mafia is to do one of two things - make a bunch of cases and do nothing with it, or ferret people and do nothing with it, or she WILL push someone but she won't do it until ridiculously close to end of cycle.
I feel like we are arguing semantics but I want to be right about this.
-She does have alternative scumreads as well as a perfectly good policy lynch in moosy as options.
-It is in her best interest to lynch him, because she was positioning for a townflip
On December 03 2015 07:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Shining - checking the Drams filter then. I think he was in school at that time so that should normalise for his being afk.
.....and this is why I stated he had 30 minutes to talk to us. Or whatever I said, it's more than enough time to discuss and run an alternate lynch. He does freak out at the slightest bit of pressure and he claims prematurely when he's blue, here he claimed VT though.
Paraphrasing, "I'm giving him plenty of time to convince me otherwise, not my fault, I'm reasonable with the person I'm lynching"
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Can someone give me a key for all the IRL names people are using?
dani = hts
alex = ?
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Hey, I was surprised as everyone else that you all followed me into that shitty lynch. But technically Palmar was the first mover, I was just the first one to urge everyone to switch.
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Not sure if this is a good way to go about this, meh..
Half the Sky's read progression/scumhunting
+ Show Spoiler +Suspicious of Trfel (covering something up with LightningStrike early on), suspicious of disformation (not taking many stances), null on Rels, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, FIdei86 (why so many null reads?!?!) Investigating the Palmar/The Shining argument, no conclusion yetPalmar's post resolves Half the Sky's question about why Palmar's push on The Shining doesn't make sense (no conclusion yet) Half the Sky questions one of Trfel's suspicions of Damdred (accuses it of being a reach) Above statement clarified to be a misunderstanding (still no conclusion) Says that she was initially suspicious of Palmar for his push on The Shining (at least it seems to read this way?) but is within the realm of his town play (seems to be sort of suspicious of both of them but not enough to push it?) Fidei86 is town for how he "broke down the case" (not sure what case, I'll check later), suspicious of DoYouHas for lack of followup on Trfel, suspicious of kushm4sta for bad assumption (later clarifies to be scum leans) Question to disformation about The ShiningNull/scum lean on LightningStrike, pending some questionsA bit suspicious of kushm4sta for TMIMore suspicious of kushm4sta for not changing his voteQuestions to LightningStrikeQuestions to LightningStrike (seems to accept answers for the Palmar questions above) Needs to reread Trfel, Damdred, Fidei86, disformation, LightningStrike; lynch list is kushm4sta and DoYouHas, maybe policy Onegu, townread on PalmarAgrees with LightningStrike about his answer to one of her standing questionsDecides that she doesn't agree with LightningStrike's read on Palmar, but doesn't think that he is mafia for thisVotes for DoYouHasSeems to not want to lynch Trfel and LightningStrike, answers my question (why vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta) by saying she's suspicious of both of themBack to a null on Trfel (maybe I misread the previous post where I thought she said she didn't want to lynch Trfel?) Doesn't really want to lynch MoosyDoosy, a bit nervous of Fidei86, maybe has to resort to policy lynch, revisiting DoYouHas (why still discussing Trfel and Fidei86, not her top suspects, less than two hours to the deadline?) Thinks that there's a contradiction in these two LightningStrike postsApparently the above was enough to make Half the Sky switch votes.. what??Question to Fidei86 about LightningStrike readDoubt about lynching LightningStrikeSuspicious of LightningStrike for meta comparison with a town gameDecides that LightningStrike is a bad lynchSwitches votes to kushm4sta, presumably at The Shining's request
For now, this seems like scum. The progression isn't there, there is no focus at all. This is the original "boring Half the Sky is mafia Half the Sky" read that Holyflare and marvellosity used.
However I am in a rush, so I will take a look over this again later.
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On December 04 2015 09:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey, I was surprised as everyone else that you all followed me into that shitty lynch. But technically Palmar was the first mover, I was just the first one to urge everyone to switch.
Why did I scowl so hard after reading this post?
That was weird
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Dani - HTS
Alex - NocturneMage
James - Me
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On December 04 2015 09:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Can someone give me a key for all the IRL names people are using?
dani = hts
alex = ?
Dani HtS
Alex NM
Fidei James
I think that's right
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On December 04 2015 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 09:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey, I was surprised as everyone else that you all followed me into that shitty lynch. But technically Palmar was the first mover, I was just the first one to urge everyone to switch. Why did I scowl so hard after reading this post? That was weird
maybe because it sort of reads like I (a) say you all followed me into the lynch and (b) it actually wasn't my fault. I'm sort of trying to have my cake and eat it. You're right. I wasn't the first person to have the idea, but I probably was the one that caused it. I was wrong and I'm sorry.
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On December 04 2015 09:26 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 09:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Can someone give me a key for all the IRL names people are using?
dani = hts
alex = ? Dani HtS Alex NM Fidei James I think that's right
Dani called me Fabian in one of her posts, too. :p
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Jesus H Christ Trfel how are you generating this much content this quickly.
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On December 04 2015 09:29 Fidei86 wrote:
Jesus H Christ Trfel how are you generating this much content this quickly.
I was just about to say...
Maybe the reason you feel like you're being ignored is because your walls of text are critting the fuck out of everyone's brains
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On December 04 2015 09:21 Fidei86 wrote:
Alex I have two questions for you. One of them is unfair, but I'll let you beat me at RL Mafia to make it up to you.
1. What is your case on Dani? Because I personally find it extremely weird that you come into the thread with a "100% Dani is Mafia" read, but don't really flesh it out. The first thing you said substantively was basically copied from someone else. In Resistance V your read on her was spot on, and it was quick and to the point. Ditto on your reads when we played together in Newbie - the Fidei throw edition. The more you go on, the more it sort of seems like you're trying to get her lynched because she might correctly read you.
2. I don't think it's likely that Dani would intentionally play up being ill to win a game. She has certainly liberally sprinkled Og knowledge in game before. But here it seems like pretty much every other post she makes references it. I really hope she gets well soon (<3) but is it possible she is subconsciously playing it up to win sympathy?
Regarding (1) I did not have a read on her, but when I entered the thread, it was RIGHT AFTER DYH posted his thing on Kush. When I saw that, the first thing that leapt to my mind was her scumgames, and that gave me the first clue, because nearly every time she tries to eliminate in some way someone who knows her well, or could get her down late game or whatever, she does a sneaky job of trying to eliminate them. I did not have a read on her.
My case was based on four things - meta, which I just described. To sum up the personality argument, she is a quant-type and very analytical person. That was lacking in some of her decision making, even with the shallower stuff you might see some sort of pro/con type comparison, the motives I also explained I think in my last two posts and the voting part was her vote on kush who would be more of a threat to her than LS as he called her out most blatantly day 1.
(2) No. She has made a lot of RL excuses before, and Resistance it was work related. She was abroad. She does not lie about whatever she is doing and I would argue what she is dealing with right now is bad enough I am a little surprised she hasn't left the game, but I think I can fathom to what extent why she hasn't left the game and it's not because of her alignment or her status in this game period.
I'll give you a hint, she is a long-distance runner. If you know why she is involved in that, she qualified for Boston last April actually, and you can think a modicum outside the box, you might be able to understand what I am referencing to.
I do not want to get too personal with this, and I strongly suggest you talk to her when you play dota with her because what she is dealing with right now is really really terrible. This is the worst it has been in the last three years.
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Just realized, NocturneMage would definitely bus Half the Sky here.
So yeah, I really don't know about NocturneMage but for now I think that lynching Half the Sky is better.
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On December 04 2015 09:24 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 09:10 NocturneMage wrote:On December 04 2015 08:55 DoYouHas wrote:On December 04 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
I actually think an LS Dani team makes a hell of a lot of sense here. LS has given us no reason post lynch to think he's anything other than town (deadline thing is terrible). Dani is in the thread desperately trying to open the door to his non-lynch, for no apparent reason, and despite the fact SHE IS VOTING FOR HIM. The is a bad association, not just because they are unflipped. The problem with HtS's EoD isn't what you are saying here. The problem is that her sentiment and action don't match. Her sentiment is that she has major doubts that the lynch is a good one. Her action is to stay on the wagon when she has plenty of reasons, based on her own reads, to go for another lynch on me, kush, or moosy. This is positioning for a townflip while doing nothing substantial to stop it. I see what you are saying here but there are people here saying she is town for that, and there are proven cases of her doing this as town when she doesn't have an alternative scumread. She has mislynched people as town/town-oriented third party trying to do stuff like this. The problem is where she actually goes and why. She would have mislynched LS if it was in her best interest to mislynch him, the reason she went to kush is because kush was scumreading her. This is what I was saying before, she has a track record of wanting to kill people who want her dead. The reason I asked you before what her role was in the lynch is because generally her play as mafia is to do one of two things - make a bunch of cases and do nothing with it, or ferret people and do nothing with it, or she WILL push someone but she won't do it until ridiculously close to end of cycle. I feel like we are arguing semantics but I want to be right about this. -She does have alternative scumreads as well as a perfectly good policy lynch in moosy as options. -It is in her best interest to lynch him, because she was positioning for a townflip Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Shining - checking the Drams filter then. I think he was in school at that time so that should normalise for his being afk.
.....and this is why I stated he had 30 minutes to talk to us. Or whatever I said, it's more than enough time to discuss and run an alternate lynch. He does freak out at the slightest bit of pressure and he claims prematurely when he's blue, here he claimed VT though. Paraphrasing, "I'm giving him plenty of time to convince me otherwise, not my fault, I'm reasonable with the person I'm lynching"
She would have positioned for a townflip either way....so you are still right.
I'm not fighting you at all DYH, but if you are so convinced she's mafia, why don't you vote her with me?
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