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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:47 GMT
#1081
On December 04 2015 09:44 Fidei86 wrote:
I've flipped on Trfel btw because he has basically 100% scum read half the game so far, and his super in depth reads change every time, whenever someone makes the most off-hand points.
I'd lynch him last though, 1. because he could be erratic town and 2. I'd feel horrible if we mislynched him, given how much work he has put into the game (that's actually a crap reason, but there we go).


check out newbie 11...he's capable of such as mafia.
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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 04 2015 00:47 GMT
#1082
On December 04 2015 09:43 The Shining wrote:
Fuuuuuuuuu. I'm out of thread for an hour or so. I'm at work as usual and UPS(package delivery service) just slammed me with over 40 boxes to scan, log and store. I hate holiday season.

NM I think I like where you're going with this HtS read. But you did promise a full case. Are you still going to do that?

Trfels last post on HtS read progression makes me think he's tryharding and idk if I see scumTrfel going this hard, so maybe you're both onto something with her. I'll have to read her filter for myself.

I'm liking DYH's last few posts too.

I'm also not buying the LS confirmed town because of EoD stuff. I don't want to delve too much into NK analysis because I'm not good at it but there is also reason for LS to kill Damdred and immortalize that read if he's scum.

I guess right now my most suspicious lie in HTS, LS, Fidei, Palmar. Rels and disfo is middle ground. NM, FF, Trfel, DYH likely town.

I'll be back

Just want to point out LS that you and me have basically exactly the same read list (other than you scumming me and me scumming Trfel). And you followed me onto Kush. And you were going to join me on LS when I was thinking about it.

It just seems to me that if you're Mafia, I must be very wrong in how I'm reading this game. The same must go the other way right?
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 04 2015 00:48 GMT
#1083
On December 04 2015 09:46 NocturneMage wrote:
The LS filter is trash but the main argument I'm reading is that could he have intentionally tried that? Someone was saying he was getting coaching from the mafia QT on that shit?

I think he has enough games he could pull it off?

Thank you!

Someone else who understand that a minute is a long time in the context of a shenanigan eod
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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 04 2015 00:48 GMT
#1084
On December 04 2015 09:47 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:43 The Shining wrote:
Fuuuuuuuuu. I'm out of thread for an hour or so. I'm at work as usual and UPS(package delivery service) just slammed me with over 40 boxes to scan, log and store. I hate holiday season.

NM I think I like where you're going with this HtS read. But you did promise a full case. Are you still going to do that?

Trfels last post on HtS read progression makes me think he's tryharding and idk if I see scumTrfel going this hard, so maybe you're both onto something with her. I'll have to read her filter for myself.

I'm liking DYH's last few posts too.

I'm also not buying the LS confirmed town because of EoD stuff. I don't want to delve too much into NK analysis because I'm not good at it but there is also reason for LS to kill Damdred and immortalize that read if he's scum.

I guess right now my most suspicious lie in HTS, LS, Fidei, Palmar. Rels and disfo is middle ground. NM, FF, Trfel, DYH likely town.

I'll be back

Just want to point out LS that you and me have basically exactly the same read list (other than you scumming me and me scumming Trfel). And you followed me onto Kush. And you were going to join me on LS when I was thinking about it.

It just seems to me that if you're Mafia, I must be very wrong in how I'm reading this game. The same must go the other way right?

Uh, meant "Just want to point out TS..."
Not LS. Obv.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 00:48 GMT
#1085
On December 04 2015 09:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
So basically you all have 3.25 hours with the great mind of fecalfeast before he goes home and accidentally plays fallout until 5am without making dinner.

I'm not going to read the thread from the start so someone make me do something because work is boring as fuck

Why you have to be lazy feast right now
+ Show Spoiler +
We had MD into DYH/Me as the main wagons until we shannied to Kush because of his over explanation for voting me lol....
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:48 GMT
#1086
On December 04 2015 09:46 LightningStrike wrote:
I will admit I do have some WIFOM knowledge but I would of shot Tfrel or HTS if I was scum just because of meta.


HOLY SHIT PEOPLE WILL YOU JUST STOP WITH THE META??!?!?!?!?!?!??
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:49 GMT
#1087
well to be fair, part of my argument on HTS is based on meta, but at least I'm trying to make what I'm saying sort of relevant to this game.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 00:49 GMT
#1088
On December 04 2015 09:48 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:47 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:43 The Shining wrote:
Fuuuuuuuuu. I'm out of thread for an hour or so. I'm at work as usual and UPS(package delivery service) just slammed me with over 40 boxes to scan, log and store. I hate holiday season.

NM I think I like where you're going with this HtS read. But you did promise a full case. Are you still going to do that?

Trfels last post on HtS read progression makes me think he's tryharding and idk if I see scumTrfel going this hard, so maybe you're both onto something with her. I'll have to read her filter for myself.

I'm liking DYH's last few posts too.

I'm also not buying the LS confirmed town because of EoD stuff. I don't want to delve too much into NK analysis because I'm not good at it but there is also reason for LS to kill Damdred and immortalize that read if he's scum.

I guess right now my most suspicious lie in HTS, LS, Fidei, Palmar. Rels and disfo is middle ground. NM, FF, Trfel, DYH likely town.

I'll be back

Just want to point out LS that you and me have basically exactly the same read list (other than you scumming me and me scumming Trfel). And you followed me onto Kush. And you were going to join me on LS when I was thinking about it.

It just seems to me that if you're Mafia, I must be very wrong in how I'm reading this game. The same must go the other way right?

Uh, meant "Just want to point out TS..."
Not LS. Obv.

LOL I didn't even notice this.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:50 GMT
#1089
EBWOP - Actually that post from LS is bad (1080) because it is self-meta. Still.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 04 2015 00:51 GMT
#1090
On December 04 2015 09:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
So basically you all have 3.25 hours with the great mind of fecalfeast before he goes home and accidentally plays fallout until 5am without making dinner.

I'm not going to read the thread from the start so someone make me do something because work is boring as fuck

Why you have to be lazy feast right now
+ Show Spoiler +
We had MD into DYH/Me as the main wagons until we shannied to Kush because of his over explanation for voting me lol....

[active game] took a lot of my energy and playing as town makes me less worried about doing enough work to look good lol

What do you think of the shenanigan? fidei/shining/palmar/hts were all early switchers with the first two being instigators. Have you weighed in on that?
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 04 2015 00:53 GMT
#1091
Actually this trfel shit is really bugging me but how on earth does someone produce a million pages of filter, multiple cases with references and then throw it all away based on night kill wifom as scum?

Am I not giving trfel enough credit?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 00:56 GMT
#1092
On December 04 2015 09:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
So basically you all have 3.25 hours with the great mind of fecalfeast before he goes home and accidentally plays fallout until 5am without making dinner.

I'm not going to read the thread from the start so someone make me do something because work is boring as fuck

Why you have to be lazy feast right now
+ Show Spoiler +
We had MD into DYH/Me as the main wagons until we shannied to Kush because of his over explanation for voting me lol....

[active game] took a lot of my energy and playing as town makes me less worried about doing enough work to look good lol

What do you think of the shenanigan? fidei/shining/palmar/hts were all early switchers with the first two being instigators. Have you weighed in on that?

I honestly think it happened because kush's post regarding his reason to lynch me rubbed everyone the wrong way due to over explanation from his part. HTS felt like it the lynch on me was weird if I remember what her thoughts was before her switch. Palmar didn't like kush's comment hence why he went to kush. Shining rather had lynched Kush at the time over me. James what he did he say again about kush(will reread his filter soon).
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 04 2015 00:58 GMT
#1093
That's exactly the incoherent stream of consciousness I expected. carry on
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:59 GMT
#1094
On December 04 2015 09:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
So basically you all have 3.25 hours with the great mind of fecalfeast before he goes home and accidentally plays fallout until 5am without making dinner.

I'm not going to read the thread from the start so someone make me do something because work is boring as fuck

Why you have to be lazy feast right now
+ Show Spoiler +
We had MD into DYH/Me as the main wagons until we shannied to Kush because of his over explanation for voting me lol....

[active game] took a lot of my energy and playing as town makes me less worried about doing enough work to look good lol

What do you think of the shenanigan? fidei/shining/palmar/hts were all early switchers with the first two being instigators. Have you weighed in on that?

I honestly think it happened because kush's post regarding his reason to lynch me rubbed everyone the wrong way due to over explanation from his part. HTS felt like it the lynch on me was weird if I remember what her thoughts was before her switch. Palmar didn't like kush's comment hence why he went to kush. Shining rather had lynched Kush at the time over me. James what he did he say again about kush(will reread his filter soon).


Okay, this is just dumb.

How are you saying overexplanation? I had a huge problem with Palmar saying the same thing about Kush actually because his argument about you using shitty meta was quite valid. Or at the very least meta that is very hard to understand the basis for your reads for even if it is valid. It was a valid argument and I don't even recall that argument being very wordy.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 04 2015 01:06 GMT
#1095
Now you're just making me feel bad Alex. You speak truths regarding the lynch.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 04 2015 01:06 GMT
#1096
Also, I'm going to bed now. Night all.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 01:07 GMT
#1097
On December 04 2015 09:59 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:56 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
So basically you all have 3.25 hours with the great mind of fecalfeast before he goes home and accidentally plays fallout until 5am without making dinner.

I'm not going to read the thread from the start so someone make me do something because work is boring as fuck

Why you have to be lazy feast right now
+ Show Spoiler +
We had MD into DYH/Me as the main wagons until we shannied to Kush because of his over explanation for voting me lol....

[active game] took a lot of my energy and playing as town makes me less worried about doing enough work to look good lol

What do you think of the shenanigan? fidei/shining/palmar/hts were all early switchers with the first two being instigators. Have you weighed in on that?

I honestly think it happened because kush's post regarding his reason to lynch me rubbed everyone the wrong way due to over explanation from his part. HTS felt like it the lynch on me was weird if I remember what her thoughts was before her switch. Palmar didn't like kush's comment hence why he went to kush. Shining rather had lynched Kush at the time over me. James what he did he say again about kush(will reread his filter soon).


Okay, this is just dumb.

How are you saying overexplanation? I had a huge problem with Palmar saying the same thing about Kush actually because his argument about you using shitty meta was quite valid. Or at the very least meta that is very hard to understand the basis for your reads for even if it is valid. It was a valid argument and I don't even recall that argument being very wordy.

Here was kush's post on his reason to vote me:
On December 03 2015 07:29 kushm4sta wrote:
I think the LS lynch is good.

I looked over his filter again. His arguments are always"so and so was like that in that game, and he's similar/different in this game, therefore he's town/scum" That's an overreliance on bad meta.
Those are very easy arguments for scum to make.

A little to wordy I think plus here was some earlier posts from Kush regarding me before he made the quote above:
On December 03 2015 03:20 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:
On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:
On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:
On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.

I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return.
First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon.

Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta?
Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him?
Why did your read on me (Trfel) change?

read her filter if you want to see her progression on me
+ Show Spoiler +
She thinks I town.
And where did you get that conclusion from?

On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:
On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted.
On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -

LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.

I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.

You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason.

I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him.


Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him.

Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though.

Yeah....

"I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either.

Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread?

Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him.


I don't think LS' assumption is scummy. As for the self consiousness, that's not scummy either. Both alignments pay attention when others are talking about them.

May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 04 2015 01:09 GMT
#1098
Vote Count D1



Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm
LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel
Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu

So. I would assume that at least 1 mafia is on the Kushm4sta train.

Let us look at the read progression on kush..


Fidei86
  1. "I don't know kush very well."
    + Show Spoiler +
    On December 01 2015 09:01 Fidei86 wrote:
    Evening all. Usual plea for everyone to avoid spam if possible - if few meaningful posts was good enough for Foolishness in that game he played in the guide, it's good enough for us. Also I know at least me and Dani work quite intense jobs, so it's very hard to keep up if there's 10 new pages every time I come back.

    So that people know, the people in the game I know best are Half the Sky and Rels. I've been town with both, supervised both when I GMed and was Mafia with Rels once. I also have played with a lot of the rest of you before, including Moosy, Lightning Strike, Onegu and Damdred. I don't know DYH, trfel, dis, Kush or Palmar very well.

    Early on, I'd say the easiest scum read is Shining. He posted asking why he was here, then about trumpets, then he went quiet. It's early, so it's lean.

    DYH's question of Rels seems towny, although I also think Rels' entrance was kind of towny, albeit wrongheaded. When he's Mafia Rels buddies up with everyone he likes and relentlessly fights with anyone who calls him out. I wouldn't expect a Mafia Rels to jump in and start picking fights so early, even about blues.

    Everyone else is null.

    I'm on GMT so it's way past my bed-time. Night all.

  2. Calls a post by kush "worst post ever"
    + Show Spoiler +
    On December 02 2015 03:25 Fidei86 wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On December 02 2015 02:45 kushm4sta wrote:
    Yes I use my own experience as scum to predict how other people will act as scum. But actually I was accusing him of a standard scumtell, over defense.

    Don't put too much stock in what I say, because I don't have any sort of handle on this game so far. I am looking forward to playing in a few days after the herd has been thinned.

    My vote stays on Rels for now. Probably he isn't scum but maybe he is and on my phone it takes a lot of effort to change my vote.

    Okay this is probably the worst thing I've ever read from someone on this site ever. You want to lynch someone who you don't think is scum because you can't be bothered to change your vote???

  3. Throws kush into the "useless" pile
    + Show Spoiler +
    On December 03 2015 04:08 Fidei86 wrote:
    Town
    Shining - He was winning townie plaudits for his fight with Palmar, but rather than carry it on (and continuing to crap up the thread) he stopped (or at least tried to) and gave a good read post at #229. I like his read on dis, which I agree with. He asks Kush and Moosy to do more, at a stage where the better Mafia play would have been to ignore them and let town coalesce towards a "lynch all idiots" lynch. (Disclaimer: I previously called him out for not stopping the fight, but a re-read of his filter shows he was trying to stop it but Palmar wouldn't let it go.)

    Trfel - Rels is right, for someone with over 3k posts Trfel sure apologises a lot. He seems to have some sort of reason for his early LS read, which I don't really care about. I actually like is read on Rels "why is he just throwing shit everywhere." Maybe town side of null. His later posts show quite nuanced reasoning. Moved to town for now, otherwise mostly everyone would be null

    Dis - he and Trfel are playing similarly in my view. Both reading the thread, giving thoughts relatively fearlessly. Nothing that particularly jumps out as scummy. Lean read.

    Null
    Damdred - underwhelmed by his reads, which seem to mostly have been of Shining. Need to filter dive. No sense in lynching today.

    Damdred - whole filter is super underwhelming. Says he has town reads, but then just gives me and Shining without and further explanation. Lacklustre but posts come off as condescending. Scum side of null but wouldn't lynch yet.

    HTS - I am scared of a Mafia Dani, and that is probably colouring my read of her. One thing I'm not sure of is why she voted for DYH having just excoriated kush for his dumbass post about voting for Rels.

    Palmar - his entire first act was fighting with Shining. He made his point, and I agreed with it. But he kept pushing and pushing beyond when it was reasonable. I also didn't like that he called my first post "fine" and "null" but at another point said I was a "tow read". Says he doesn't want to lynch into me, then later says I'd be an okay lynch? Huh? I had him in Mafia, but his last few reads on Damdred and

    Rels - I'm all over the place on Rels. I've made the point that Mafia Rels tends to buddy harder than he is here. But in this game he seems to be talking in complete parallel to the thread, raising points others aren't but not engaging in the same sort of manner I would expect from a town Rels. But I actually really like his DYH read and vote.

    Mafia

    LS - his entry list was all nulls ("I need more time on Moosy" -- no shit!) and basic basic points that display no particular thought. #431 says the game is hard but hasn't really given a read on anyone? O

    Useless
    Kush - he is going to have to do a lot to get back from "not changing my Rels vote even though he might be town because changing votes is hard"
    Moosy - only sensible post is pushing Shining on his read of me. When he'd explained it like 8 times and I'd only made one post.
    DYH - Lots of town-reads and afk promises. Hardly encouraging. Was not really a fan of his Trfel read.
    Onegu. It's O-word dude. Hands up if you're surprised.

  4. Shenanies happen, Fidei86 switches and further explains that he dislikes kush's progression on LS.
    + Show Spoiler +
    On December 03 2015 07:56 Fidei86 wrote:
    Switch to kush

    On December 03 2015 07:58 Fidei86 wrote:
    I'll consolidate if needed but kush's progression on LS screams scum. He only gives reads on a few ppl, one of whom is LS, who he says is town. Then he switches when people start piling on.





LightningStrike
  1. "Wish kush would be doing stuff"
    + Show Spoiler +
    On December 02 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:
    Back from class after some relaxation.
    Show nested quote +
    On December 02 2015 07:18 Rels wrote:
    LS: if you had to name a team of 3 mafias, who would that be and why ?

    Idk yet this game is getting a little hard. I wish that Onegu and Kush actually do stuff so I can flesh them out in terms of alignment. Otherwise after considering that he did his thing on me as a trap(if I reading this correctly) Tfrel moved to null for now but still it was kind of a weird thing to do for him. Idk why people having trouble with DYS? I see him more of a newbie player than a veteran player honestly so(shrugs). So nothing yet for a team.

  2. "VOTE KUSH"
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    On December 03 2015 07:59 LightningStrike wrote:
    FUcCK IT MOVE OVER TO KUSH NOW GUYS




The Shining
  1. Dislikes how kush got onto the LS wagon
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    On December 03 2015 07:52 The Shining wrote:
    Yeah I don't really like the way kush and DYH got onto the LS wagon. And what disfo just said about everyone voting LS. It took off really quickly. Damdred hasn't come back either and LS is pretty much his wagon.

    Ugh.

  2. Switches to kush
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    On December 03 2015 07:57 The Shining wrote:
    Fuck it. I'm down. Shenanny onto kush. Let's do it.




Rels
  1. kush = useless
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    On December 01 2015 19:12 Rels wrote:
    Useful List of Useless People
    Onegu
    kushmasta
    DoYouHas

    Do stuff or be lynched.

    On December 02 2015 01:32 Rels wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On December 02 2015 01:27 Trfel wrote:
    On December 01 2015 18:50 Rels wrote:
    On December 01 2015 18:44 Trfel wrote:
    On December 01 2015 18:41 Rels wrote:
    On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:
    I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time.

    1 - this is sooooo non commital.
    2 - we're right on the period Shining has no internet. So I have no idea what additionnal info you will have when he AFK for 24 hours.
    What part of the "not lynching The Shining" part did you miss?

    I thought I read "I kind of want to lynch The Shining" somewhere in that post.
    This part about Shining reads to me as "I'm OK lynching Shining but I'll need someone to convince me."
    Under normal circumstances, I'd be suspicious of The Shining here and would be maybe willing to lynch him Day 1. However, since The Shining probably won't be able to play much today, and wasn't 100% there yesterday, I think that giving him a Day 1 pass is probably best.

    Sorry that wasn't clear in my initial posts.



    Is anyone else kind of suspicious of Rels? The way that he has been throwing suspicions at everyone feels like he's trying to keep his options open to lynch anyone he chooses. I don't recall him posting a single townread (which isn't that important), but the way he's been pressuring so many people without follow through or without a serious push seem so strange. The vote on DoYouHas feels extremely opportunistic, as well.

    I was really hoping that DoYouHas wouldn't be brought up for a while, I wanted to see what he did if he wasn't bothered. I remember checking the exact same thing that Rels mentioned earlier, and I'm not entirely on board, but I'll let DoYouHas speak for himself.

    Yep I'm suspicious of too many people. I would lynch Damdred or DYH right now; fidei is weird; HTS' post on LS makes a lot of sense. Onegu and kush are useless.

  2. switches
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    On December 03 2015 07:58 Rels wrote:
    OK I'll switch to kush




Half the Sky
  1. "Not sure I like this reaction from kush
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    On December 02 2015 00:17 Half the Sky wrote:
    James, right now, I'd say town given how he's broken down the case.

    On DYH, definitely odd how looking at timestamps, that progression. I looked at his filter quickly and he responds on things related to Palmar/Shining but didn't reconsider Trfel or at least that reaction in conjunction with something else, since I believe Trfel was up late in skimming. Unless there was reason not to, there was a lack of followup there.

    Show nested quote +
    On December 01 2015 11:40 kushm4sta wrote:
    Shining looking like a decent d1 lynch I guess. Reasoning is that if Palmer called me 100 percent scum I'd be like lol.
    Instead he doth protest too much,


    Not sure I like this reaction from kushmasta either. He makes an assumption that Shining would or should react the same way he does. It is why I asked Shining what his other reads were, and they looked reasonable at first glance last night. Also begs the question why he's still voting Rels or why he feels Rels initial push was worse than Shining's.

    I'm lying down for a few hours, any more questions, fire away.

  2. kush got TMI?
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    On December 02 2015 03:40 Half the Sky wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On December 02 2015 02:45 kushm4sta wrote:
    Yes I use my own experience as scum to predict how other people will act as scum. But actually I was accusing him of a standard scumtell, over defense.

    Don't put too much stock in what I say, because I don't have any sort of handle on this game so far. I am looking forward to playing in a few days after the herd has been thinned.

    My vote stays on Rels for now. Probably he isn't scum but maybe he is and on my phone it takes a lot of effort to change my vote.


    Phoneposting from my bed - aside from the obvious you two (Fabian and James) just hashed out, do you or anyone else think the bolded is TMI? As in, he is posting as such he knows he won't die.

  3. kush being on her lynch list
    + Show Spoiler +
    On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
    I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads.

    Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere.

    Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case.

  4. switches votes
    + Show Spoiler +
    On December 03 2015 06:56 Half the Sky wrote:
    I'll switch votes as well.

    LS can you comment more on why Trfel is null for you based on what you said or possibly his current gameplay now if he was someone you focused on?




Palmar
  1. kush useless baddy, good lynch
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    On December 02 2015 05:04 Palmar wrote:
    So I misread DYH and his post is not as atrocious as I thought it was while phonereading today.

    Still bad, still a good default lynch.

    I'm not actually putting a ton of effort into this game but I don't want to lynch into this list: Trfel, Fidei, HTS, disformation. Maybe Rels belongs there too. This is in no way a "these people are town" list, just a "I have seen something that makes me not want to lynch them right now".

    Damdred is being a bit weird but I'm not gonna call him mafia yet.

    Also, Kush and Onegu are useless baddies who will be useless throughout the game. Flipping a coin and lynching one of them is a good play


  2. "So wann lynch onegu or kush instead?"
    + Show Spoiler +
    On December 03 2015 06:36 Palmar wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On December 03 2015 06:35 Damdred wrote:
    On December 03 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote:
    On December 03 2015 06:29 Damdred wrote:
    Sadly that's just how he and a lot of the newer players play now Palmar. Its really annoying and sadly moosey is actually a good player when he decides to play, something about keeping a clean scum meta.

    I think hes worth a power role move perhaps at night but I wouldn't lynch him today.

    What do you think of LS Palmar.

    I haven't read him.

    Also, we have Onegu to deal with, our vigi can't shoot two people.


    Thing that moosey will start playing n1-d2 in my experience

    Ok so wanna kill kush or onegu instead?





So. Nearly all ppl had multiple mentions of kush as useless and/or expressed some degree of willingness to lynch him before the EoD trouble.
LightningStrike didn't, but him voting kush was for survival and pretty NAI.
For Palmar it is in line with his desire to lynch inactive baddies.

Rels and The Shining have the least amount of previous mentions of kush before, but I don't see anything suggesting a scum mindset for the switch either...
The kush thing also happend in a few minutes, so I am not sure if the order/timing of votes does have much impact either...
Hope I can add some red colour to my next attempt at VCA as this one wasn't significant.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 04 2015 01:15 GMT
#1099
I replaced into one of these high effort games eh?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 01:17 GMT
#1100
bah fuck it's 1am...let me try and bang out this case on dani since some people here aren't convinced.

ALSO LS, for the love of everything good, do you have any bloody scumreads? or conclusions? I mean, seriously any?!?!!?!??!?!?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
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