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The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 04 2015 01:18 GMT
#1101
On December 04 2015 09:47 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:43 The Shining wrote:
Fuuuuuuuuu. I'm out of thread for an hour or so. I'm at work as usual and UPS(package delivery service) just slammed me with over 40 boxes to scan, log and store. I hate holiday season.

NM I think I like where you're going with this HtS read. But you did promise a full case. Are you still going to do that?

Trfels last post on HtS read progression makes me think he's tryharding and idk if I see scumTrfel going this hard, so maybe you're both onto something with her. I'll have to read her filter for myself.

I'm liking DYH's last few posts too.

I'm also not buying the LS confirmed town because of EoD stuff. I don't want to delve too much into NK analysis because I'm not good at it but there is also reason for LS to kill Damdred and immortalize that read if he's scum.

I guess right now my most suspicious lie in HTS, LS, Fidei, Palmar. Rels and disfo is middle ground. NM, FF, Trfel, DYH likely town.

I'll be back

Just want to point out LS that you and me have basically exactly the same read list (other than you scumming me and me scumming Trfel). And you followed me onto Kush. And you were going to join me on LS when I was thinking about it.

It just seems to me that if you're Mafia, I must be very wrong in how I'm reading this game. The same must go the other way right?


Actually your thinking about joining the LS wagon is why I was hesitant and asking so many questions beforehand. I was weighing my suspicions on you vs the case and points on him. As for having a lot of the same reads, if I'm being honest, I'm never too confident in them before first scumflip, as my association cases and late game play is where I excel at. D1/D2, I'm used to being wrong and sometimes scum siding on reads without realizing it. So even with our reads being similar, you're in my suspicious pile until I read your filter and can figure out how you arrived to those reads.

As for the Trfel read, he's got 8 pages at the start of D2 and 8 pages total his last scum game. Like I've pointed a few issues I had with some of his reads and posts but he hasn't backed down from me and his willingness to explain and then put in work on his reads, like the stuff on HTS, is giving me trouble on where the scum motivation could come from. He's been under a lot of pressure this game and even though there are some similarities from his last scumgame, one thing that recently stands out to me is the amount of sensible content he's putting out, even under pressure. I don't agree with everything, and had issues with his dropping his NM scumread pretty easily, but its more about the way he's done it and explained it. I could see it coming from town trying to evaluate what's in the thread and I thinking he could be wrong, after being wrong on Damdred.

And following onto kush was a risky play that I took because I didn't like his switch. But you being the instigator before me is one of the main reasons I'm still suspicious. Like I do take some responsibility for it but it also surprised me how many more people were willing to follow once I switched, instead of when you did. Like if you're scum, its possible your team waits for a town to switch(like me) and then pin the responsibility on me(like HtS did).
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 01:20 GMT
#1102
On December 04 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I replaced into one of these high effort games eh?

Aye
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 01:24 GMT
#1103
On December 04 2015 10:17 NocturneMage wrote:
bah fuck it's 1am...let me try and bang out this case on dani since some people here aren't convinced.

ALSO LS, for the love of everything good, do you have any bloody scumreads? or conclusions? I mean, seriously any?!?!!?!??!?!?

Mafia had a field day most likely at EoD prob laughed there asses off when kush flipped boxer. Anyways time to pick FF's brain a little bit.
@FFWhat your thoughts on regarding the shannies regarding the people you had asked me about?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 04 2015 01:24 GMT
#1104
On December 04 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I replaced into one of these high effort games eh?


I don't think I can compete with Trfel.

This HtS thing is super confusing to me right now, so I was trying to find something in the EoD1.
Like Trfel is sending mixed signal, NocturneMage replaced into a super shady looking slot with some shady looking entry posts and the guy I have a scum read on (DYH) hesitates not a second to vote with NM... though after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad... which brings me to the next point: If I ignore HtS's sickness, she doesn't good either.

Can't even hope that Damdred comes in, drops three one liners, and drops some of his logic...

Btw, do you have a read on DYH?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 01:25 GMT
#1105
On December 04 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 10:17 NocturneMage wrote:
bah fuck it's 1am...let me try and bang out this case on dani since some people here aren't convinced.

ALSO LS, for the love of everything good, do you have any bloody scumreads? or conclusions? I mean, seriously any?!?!!?!??!?!?

Mafia had a field day most likely at EoD prob laughed there asses off when kush flipped boxer. Anyways time to pick FF's brain a little bit.
@FFWhat your thoughts on regarding the shannies that place with the people you had asked me about?

May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 01:25 GMT
#1106
On December 04 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
I actually think an LS Dani team makes a hell of a lot of sense here. LS has given us no reason post lynch to think he's anything other than town (deadline thing is terrible). Dani is in the thread desperately trying to open the door to his non-lynch, for no apparent reason, and despite the fact SHE IS VOTING FOR HIM.


Oh wow, I missed this, considering how utter shit tier LS's filter is, and seeing something like this, you might not be as mafia as I think you are.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 01:25 GMT
#1107
On December 04 2015 10:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 04 2015 10:17 NocturneMage wrote:
bah fuck it's 1am...let me try and bang out this case on dani since some people here aren't convinced.

ALSO LS, for the love of everything good, do you have any bloody scumreads? or conclusions? I mean, seriously any?!?!!?!??!?!?

Mafia had a field day most likely at EoD prob laughed there asses off when kush flipped boxer. Anyways time to pick FF's brain a little bit.
@FF What your thoughts on regarding the shannies that place with the people you had asked me about?


Meh spelling and thought errors in terms of right words.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 01:27 GMT
#1108
On December 04 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 10:17 NocturneMage wrote:
bah fuck it's 1am...let me try and bang out this case on dani since some people here aren't convinced.

ALSO LS, for the love of everything good, do you have any bloody scumreads? or conclusions? I mean, seriously any?!?!!?!??!?!?

Mafia had a field day most likely at EoD prob laughed there asses off when kush flipped boxer. Anyways time to pick FF's brain a little bit.
@FFWhat your thoughts on regarding the shannies regarding the people you had asked me about?


no shit??????????

you are basically saying that Moosy (now myself) is town - duh, thank you for telling me something I didn't already know
you are saying that kush is town - duh, he flipped, again, thank you for telling me something I didn't already know
you are saying that you are town, which you have to do as either alignment.

so what are you telling me about the other players?

.................................

do you understand why I'm having trouble thinking that you are town?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 01:29 GMT
#1109
On December 04 2015 10:27 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 04 2015 10:17 NocturneMage wrote:
bah fuck it's 1am...let me try and bang out this case on dani since some people here aren't convinced.

ALSO LS, for the love of everything good, do you have any bloody scumreads? or conclusions? I mean, seriously any?!?!!?!??!?!?

Mafia had a field day most likely at EoD prob laughed there asses off when kush flipped boxer. Anyways time to pick FF's brain a little bit.
@FFWhat your thoughts on regarding the shannies regarding the people you had asked me about?


no shit??????????

you are basically saying that Moosy (now myself) is town - duh, thank you for telling me something I didn't already know
you are saying that kush is town - duh, he flipped, again, thank you for telling me something I didn't already know
you are saying that you are town, which you have to do as either alignment.

so what are you telling me about the other players?

.................................

do you understand why I'm having trouble thinking that you are town?

That mafia could of switched to any of the wagons they want at EoD and still lynch town between me and Kush O_o BTW is this my first time playing with you NM?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 01:31 GMT
#1110
I don't ever recall playing with you.

And you still aren't answering the question. Who are your scumreads? Names, reasons. let's go.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 04 2015 01:31 GMT
#1111
On December 04 2015 10:29 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 10:27 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 04 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 04 2015 10:17 NocturneMage wrote:
bah fuck it's 1am...let me try and bang out this case on dani since some people here aren't convinced.

ALSO LS, for the love of everything good, do you have any bloody scumreads? or conclusions? I mean, seriously any?!?!!?!??!?!?

Mafia had a field day most likely at EoD prob laughed there asses off when kush flipped boxer. Anyways time to pick FF's brain a little bit.
@FFWhat your thoughts on regarding the shannies regarding the people you had asked me about?


no shit??????????

you are basically saying that Moosy (now myself) is town - duh, thank you for telling me something I didn't already know
you are saying that kush is town - duh, he flipped, again, thank you for telling me something I didn't already know
you are saying that you are town, which you have to do as either alignment.

so what are you telling me about the other players?

.................................

do you understand why I'm having trouble thinking that you are town?

That mafia could of switched to any of the wagons they want at EoD and still lynch town between me and Kush O_o BTW is this my first time playing with you NM?


What's the purpose of this question? He's just as likely to know the answer as you are. How is this alignment indicative?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 04 2015 01:32 GMT
#1112
I think fidei's passive 'switch to kush' wasn't actually trying to start shenanigans but the way he's playing it off now makes it suspicious. Like he says here (in the nested quote) that he didn't think people would follow him ontoi that shitty lynch. If it was shitty... Why was he there?

On December 04 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey, I was surprised as everyone else that you all followed me into that shitty lynch. But technically Palmar was the first mover, I was just the first one to urge everyone to switch.

Why did I scowl so hard after reading this post?

That was weird

maybe because it sort of reads like I (a) say you all followed me into the lynch and (b) it actually wasn't my fault. I'm sort of trying to have my cake and eat it. You're right. I wasn't the first person to have the idea, but I probably was the one that caused it. I was wrong and I'm sorry.

Then this pandering to me when I call out the post, without actually voicing any concern. Fidei doesn't ask me to explain he knows he looks bad because he's thinking about his image. He even apologizes to me when I literally said nothing of value about his post.


The shining, I haven't read his filter tbh but he's got a decent tone in his recent posts that makes me think he's town but I skim a lot lol.

HTS was really pushing hard that you(LS) were town and switched to kush pretty easily from what I recall following the EoD before I replaced in. Another filter I'll have to look at.

OK so I only have strong feelings on fidei (scummy) right now I will check out HTS and shining
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 04 2015 01:32 GMT
#1113
On December 04 2015 10:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think fidei's passive 'switch to kush' wasn't actually trying to start shenanigans but the way he's playing it off now makes it suspicious. Like he says here (in the nested quote) that he didn't think people would follow him ontoi that shitty lynch. If it was shitty... Why was he there?

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey, I was surprised as everyone else that you all followed me into that shitty lynch. But technically Palmar was the first mover, I was just the first one to urge everyone to switch.

Why did I scowl so hard after reading this post?

That was weird

maybe because it sort of reads like I (a) say you all followed me into the lynch and (b) it actually wasn't my fault. I'm sort of trying to have my cake and eat it. You're right. I wasn't the first person to have the idea, but I probably was the one that caused it. I was wrong and I'm sorry.

Then this pandering to me when I call out the post, without actually voicing any concern. Fidei doesn't ask me to explain he knows he looks bad because he's thinking about his image. He even apologizes to me when I literally said nothing of value about his post.


The shining, I haven't read his filter tbh but he's got a decent tone in his recent posts that makes me think he's town but I skim a lot lol.

HTS was really pushing hard that you(LS) were town and switched to kush pretty easily from what I recall following the EoD before I replaced in. Another filter I'll have to look at.

OK so I only have strong feelings on fidei (scummy) right now I will check out HTS and shining

This is in response to LS
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 04 2015 01:33 GMT
#1114
On December 04 2015 10:24 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I replaced into one of these high effort games eh?


I don't think I can compete with Trfel.

This HtS thing is super confusing to me right now, so I was trying to find something in the EoD1.
Like Trfel is sending mixed signal, NocturneMage replaced into a super shady looking slot with some shady looking entry posts and the guy I have a scum read on (DYH) hesitates not a second to vote with NM... though after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad... which brings me to the next point: If I ignore HtS's sickness, she doesn't good either.

Can't even hope that Damdred comes in, drops three one liners, and drops some of his logic...

Btw, do you have a read on DYH?

not yet no
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The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 04 2015 01:34 GMT
#1115
On December 04 2015 10:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think fidei's passive 'switch to kush' wasn't actually trying to start shenanigans but the way he's playing it off now makes it suspicious. Like he says here (in the nested quote) that he didn't think people would follow him ontoi that shitty lynch. If it was shitty... Why was he there?

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey, I was surprised as everyone else that you all followed me into that shitty lynch. But technically Palmar was the first mover, I was just the first one to urge everyone to switch.

Why did I scowl so hard after reading this post?

That was weird

maybe because it sort of reads like I (a) say you all followed me into the lynch and (b) it actually wasn't my fault. I'm sort of trying to have my cake and eat it. You're right. I wasn't the first person to have the idea, but I probably was the one that caused it. I was wrong and I'm sorry.

Then this pandering to me when I call out the post, without actually voicing any concern. Fidei doesn't ask me to explain he knows he looks bad because he's thinking about his image. He even apologizes to me when I literally said nothing of value about his post.


The shining, I haven't read his filter tbh but he's got a decent tone in his recent posts that makes me think he's town but I skim a lot lol.

HTS was really pushing hard that you(LS) were town and switched to kush pretty easily from what I recall following the EoD before I replaced in. Another filter I'll have to look at.

OK so I only have strong feelings on fidei (scummy) right now I will check out HTS and shining


I think you had the same issues with Trfels d1, too. Did you definitely lean either way on him?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 04 2015 01:34 GMT
#1116
Ah actually, upon looking at DYH again...
Let me bring up Rels case again. Cause it got kinda lost in the forest.
On December 03 2015 20:19 Rels wrote:
DoYouHas is probably scum: a solid case

1. Agreeing to a setup idea that is benefit to scum; without being the first to propose it

Talking about this post:
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On December 01 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote:
Firstly for the roles, nobody should talk about this besides an opinion going forward, if you are a named towny you should claim asap, it narrows down the pool that we lynch from and also gives us more to work with. however if you are the Vet do not claim unless absolutely necessary. If you are shot claim if you aren't shut the hell up. After you use your power claim straight away your findings if you are one shot obviously do not pussy foot away and give mafia the ability to cause town to second guess you. As such thank you for your time in reading this.

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On December 01 2015 08:32 DoYouHas wrote:
I second the immediate claim by a boxer if we have one.

boxer claiming is (was =X ) bad for town 50% of the time, so this post pushes a scum advantage. Furthermore, he's agreeing with Damdred on that, not taking responsability for the idea.

2. His Trfel's read makes no sense
Already explained here:
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On December 01 2015 22:22 Rels wrote:
I don't like that progression from DoYouHas.

On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote:
On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote:
On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:
On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote:
Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.

Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it?


Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later.

Interesting...
Okay, what the heck.

First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it.

Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment?


I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here.

"Trfel you might be scum."

2 posts later:
On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote:
You are an idiot but you are most likely town.

If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not.

Damdred: "Trfel is most likely town."

1 post later:
On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.

TLDR: you crazy trfel

"Trfel you're crazy." So Trfel is considered town here.

It doesn't add up.
##Vote DoYouHas



3. A total apathy towards the lynch
Here are the two posts DYH made after coming back to EOD:
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On December 03 2015 07:01 DoYouHas wrote:
Catching up now.

I can't see any scum motivation behind Trfel's hard defending of me. It doesn't even look like positioning for my flip is even really a possibility here. I was going after him, voted him, thread sentiment is against me. I'm an easy EASY person for scum trfel to keep the heat on. That he ran the other direction when there is no reason to as mafia is major town points in my book. Unvoting.

Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.

##Vote: LS

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On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.

DYH just didn't care about the lynch. The third post was only made after I tried to get people to vote him. Furthermore, disfo bought a really good point about sheeping his "townreads":
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 08:15 disformation wrote:
On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote:
I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens.
fidei says something about kush and everybody switches.
fuck that I should have yelled


Wanted to switch to DYH, but decided to go into his filter and make a post...
I kinda want to restate that post, because I think he would be a good lynch so:

His reason for voting LS:
On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.


Last mention of me in his filter:
On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.

Gnight folks

@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.


So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from...
Taking a break now.


Conclusion
If we have a vig, you know who to shoot.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 04 2015 01:34 GMT
#1117
Trfels eon1, not d1
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 04 2015 01:36 GMT
#1118
On December 04 2015 10:34 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 10:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think fidei's passive 'switch to kush' wasn't actually trying to start shenanigans but the way he's playing it off now makes it suspicious. Like he says here (in the nested quote) that he didn't think people would follow him ontoi that shitty lynch. If it was shitty... Why was he there?

On December 04 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 04 2015 09:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey, I was surprised as everyone else that you all followed me into that shitty lynch. But technically Palmar was the first mover, I was just the first one to urge everyone to switch.

Why did I scowl so hard after reading this post?

That was weird

maybe because it sort of reads like I (a) say you all followed me into the lynch and (b) it actually wasn't my fault. I'm sort of trying to have my cake and eat it. You're right. I wasn't the first person to have the idea, but I probably was the one that caused it. I was wrong and I'm sorry.

Then this pandering to me when I call out the post, without actually voicing any concern. Fidei doesn't ask me to explain he knows he looks bad because he's thinking about his image. He even apologizes to me when I literally said nothing of value about his post.


The shining, I haven't read his filter tbh but he's got a decent tone in his recent posts that makes me think he's town but I skim a lot lol.

HTS was really pushing hard that you(LS) were town and switched to kush pretty easily from what I recall following the EoD before I replaced in. Another filter I'll have to look at.

OK so I only have strong feelings on fidei (scummy) right now I will check out HTS and shining


I think you had the same issues with Trfels d1, too. Did you definitely lean either way on him?

I'm not sure if I ever put a read in thread but I had him as strong town until his abandonment of his NM/moose read. I'm currently weighing the town feels I got from him against the scummy feels I'm getting from him. It's kinda like he realizes that NM is going to be a much harder sell than MD because NM is playing.

So was strong town, now ????????????????????
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 04 2015 01:36 GMT
#1119
On December 04 2015 10:31 NocturneMage wrote:
I don't ever recall playing with you.

And you still aren't answering the question. Who are your scumreads? Names, reasons. let's go.

Idk I'll be blunt on that. Maybe DYH if I wrong on him.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 01:38 GMT
#1120
On December 04 2015 10:34 disformation wrote:
Ah actually, upon looking at DYH again...
Let me bring up Rels case again. Cause it got kinda lost in the forest.
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 20:19 Rels wrote:
DoYouHas is probably scum: a solid case

1. Agreeing to a setup idea that is benefit to scum; without being the first to propose it

Talking about this post:
On December 01 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote:
Firstly for the roles, nobody should talk about this besides an opinion going forward, if you are a named towny you should claim asap, it narrows down the pool that we lynch from and also gives us more to work with. however if you are the Vet do not claim unless absolutely necessary. If you are shot claim if you aren't shut the hell up. After you use your power claim straight away your findings if you are one shot obviously do not pussy foot away and give mafia the ability to cause town to second guess you. As such thank you for your time in reading this.

On December 01 2015 08:32 DoYouHas wrote:
I second the immediate claim by a boxer if we have one.

boxer claiming is (was =X ) bad for town 50% of the time, so this post pushes a scum advantage. Furthermore, he's agreeing with Damdred on that, not taking responsability for the idea.

2. His Trfel's read makes no sense
Already explained here:
On December 01 2015 22:22 Rels wrote:
I don't like that progression from DoYouHas.

On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote:
On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote:
On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:
On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote:
Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.

Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it?


Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later.

Interesting...
Okay, what the heck.

First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it.

Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment?


I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here.

"Trfel you might be scum."

2 posts later:
On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote:
You are an idiot but you are most likely town.

If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not.

Damdred: "Trfel is most likely town."

1 post later:
On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.

TLDR: you crazy trfel

"Trfel you're crazy." So Trfel is considered town here.

It doesn't add up.
##Vote DoYouHas



3. A total apathy towards the lynch
Here are the two posts DYH made after coming back to EOD:
On December 03 2015 07:01 DoYouHas wrote:
Catching up now.

I can't see any scum motivation behind Trfel's hard defending of me. It doesn't even look like positioning for my flip is even really a possibility here. I was going after him, voted him, thread sentiment is against me. I'm an easy EASY person for scum trfel to keep the heat on. That he ran the other direction when there is no reason to as mafia is major town points in my book. Unvoting.

On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.

##Vote: LS

On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.

DYH just didn't care about the lynch. The third post was only made after I tried to get people to vote him. Furthermore, disfo bought a really good point about sheeping his "townreads":
On December 03 2015 08:15 disformation wrote:
On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote:
I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens.
fidei says something about kush and everybody switches.
fuck that I should have yelled


Wanted to switch to DYH, but decided to go into his filter and make a post...
I kinda want to restate that post, because I think he would be a good lynch so:

His reason for voting LS:
On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.


Last mention of me in his filter:
On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.

Gnight folks

@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.


So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from...
Taking a break now.


Conclusion
If we have a vig, you know who to shoot.


I don't have a definitive read on Rels yet, but are you suggesting that DYH is bussing HTS for cred? I'm saying this because he's called her out for near identical (and obviously less personal but still just as valid) reasons that I know she is mafia. Then again nearly everyone was scumreading him?

Meh I wasn't halfway through the thread when I started breaking on Dani, but what makes you think this?
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