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On June 15 2015 20:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rels just did his go through the thread and reply to every single post thing again.
And in the end, I have no idea who he thinks is scum, only numerous townreads.
I'm not replying to every post. A lot of people has expressed the feeling that I didn't answer the cases and questions about me. So I replied to every posts attacking me and asking me something.
I will repeat: I will finish answering every post attacking me or asking me, and THEN I will analyze.
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OK I feel dumb responding you like that ... 'cause I finished reading the whole thread and there is no more attack or questions to me. (=
So. If somehow I missed a case or a question, requote it. If anyone say I didn't answer something without quoting it, I will link him this post. If that person says it twice, he's probably scum.
Now it's time for some analyzis. I will read the filters of each players in the game and post an analyzis of him. For fun here is my mind before doing the filter diving:
Town
Sulfurus
Trfel
WaveofShadow
Town lean
ruxxar
Damdred
Oatsmaster
batsnacks
Scum lean
Kickstart
Scum
moosy
scott
Gonna afk 30 minutes to eat, then the analyzis will start. We'll see after that if the list has changed.
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On June 15 2015 21:46 batsnacks wrote:
Rels back up to the stuff I said n1. You said in your response just now that sulfu voting opportunistically is a point against him, and that is the reason you would have voted sulfu over me. The whole point of the case I made is that you said twice that sulfu voting opportunistically does not make him mafia, and is not a point against him, because he did the same thing last game d1 to SL and Breshke. After saying that twice, you switched to saying that sulfu voting me was opportunistic and it is points against him.
Is it unreasonable for me to think that your defense here actually re-enforces what I said?
I don't really understand what you are saying. I suppose you're saying that:
1- I said that one of the points against Sulfu is that his vote on you was opportunistic
2- You voted on Sulfu because his vote on you was opportunistic
3- I voted you because I felt your vote on Sulfu was bad
4- Therefore there is a contradition: I cannot be mad at you for voting Sulfu for reason X, when I admit reason X is something against Sulfu
Is that it ?
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Yes that's true.
Before I went to sleep, I said that Sulfu's vote was townie to me 'cause it matched its meta.
On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.
##unvote
##vote Sulfurus If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically. But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. And I don't think he misreprented your plays. Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions.
After I slept, I re evaluated on this and agreed that Sulfu's vote was opportunistic and could be a point against him.
On June 13 2015 18:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did you see the quality of those posts though. Cause in this game, there is quantity but practically no quality. I agree. But quality is not the reason I'm unvoting him. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think it's pretty unlikely we have a PGO.
Hey rels, what made you look through bats last few games?
Also, who do you want to lynch now? Just Bats seems like the easy target so I wanted to look at him more. The two posts I quote are statements he made to defend himself, so I wanted to see if he was lying to defend. No idea who I want to lynch. Two of my three town reads are voting sulfurus. I'm suspicious of Sulfu for two reasons: - The "case" on KS on his first post doesn't exist - The vote on BS is opportunist But to me he's playing the same as last game I played with him. So I don't know. Two suspicious people are geript and Damdred. Reasons for Damdred are easy, he didn't anything, so it's so weak. I'm reading geript's filter right now.
Look at the timestamps if you doubt this story.
Now, I thought and still think Sulfu is town. I didn't say Sulfu's vote was opportunistic because I was suspecting him. I did so because:
I thought your reason for voting Sulfu was bad before going to sleep.
After sleeping, I realized that your reason for voting Sulfu wasn't bad.
Voilà. What you say is true, I went back to my words. I re evaluated Sulfu's vote from townie to opportunistic. Doesn't mean I don't think he's town though.
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Hehe sure. I'm still checking if new posts have come from times to times.
I'm suspicious of moosy and scott voting me over Sulfu and doing so while praising noobking's post. I'm also suspicious of them because even before reading their posts, they were the most likely mafia with kickstart in my mind.
I'm actually reading their filters right now, so I'll see if my suspicions are match by their posts.
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Kickstart
I think the guy is mafia for these reasons:
1. Lots of fluff and not a lot of analysis. I didn't believe that before rerading his filter but that is true: there is almost no analysis in it.
2. This case is super forced 4 hours into the game.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 11:16 Kickstart wrote:Here's something of a mini-case on why I am scum reading ruXxar atm. First several posts he seems quite concerned about the scum team! Why is this. This doesn't seem to be normal new town player concerns to me. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:22 ruXxar wrote:
Well if the mafia are just going to lynch themselves then this should be an easy game! Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:26 ruXxar wrote:I actually believe in the right of individual freedom, so as long as the mafia just stick to themselves and don't hurt anyone, I don't mind having them around  . *slaps himself* No, stop daydreaming ruxx! Then there was his answering question slip which has been the topic of much debate. It is really weird because I said I don't like people answering questions directed at others, Trfel asks me why, and then ruxx answers -______-. I think a townie would read that and be wary of answering because they see me saying that answering for others is a bad thing. My take on it is that ruxx maybe saw an easy opportunity to seem helpful and didn't even pay attention to the interaction going on there. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. Another post which doesn't seem like a town mindset at all to me. Why would town try to defend lying. This seems like scum saying "lying is ok" but trying to make it seem like something town just does all the time too, it isn't, and this is scum mindset imo. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
Why don't you like liars? Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. This goes for both sides. Deception is not a thing reserved only for mafia. What you meant to say is that you don't like liars that have conflicting interests from you. And yet another on the lying thing that I just don't see a townie making. This just stinks of scum mindset to me again. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:04 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:50 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. Wait.... So you are serious about your explanation for not answering a question directed at someone else, because it helps them answer the question if they are scum. But in saying this, you answered a question directed at someone else, your scum read? This explanation is going to be good. Yes my answer was serious. I see now how that actually denied us information from kick start. It was a mistake on my part to actually answer that question. Can you please clarify, why are you scumreading Kickstart? I didn't like his statement about not liking liars. This whole game is based on the concept of deception. If you don't like that aspect of the game, why are you here? You might claim that you like hunting lying mafia, But it's not a given beforehand what role you will be, so that doesn't make sense either. I have no prior info about any of the players here, so he might have some personal conviction for why he said that, but to me it didn't seem like a genuine well thought through statement. And here is a ton of WIFOM that is literally useless to town. Ended with a pointless question to me. Again to me it is just obvious why as town you don't like people to lie, I even explained a few times what I meant by the statement, so he is either not reading or pressing a nonsensical point. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:43 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote:ruXxar1. Answered a question directed to someone else, while explaining why answering questions directed at others hurts town + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. RuXxar provided a reasonable explanation for why it is bad to answer questions directed at other people. However, this explanation was an answer to my question directed at Kickstart. In this very post, he's doing why he says that this is bad. He's confident enough to ignore any potential purpose that I had for this question, confident enough in Kickstart's alignment that he doesn't want to hear Kickstart's answer, but not confident enough to leave the post without stating that this is what he thinks, implying that he could be wrong. 2. The person he answered a question for is now his scumread + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. When he is questioned, ruxXar throws out a scum lean. However, he does this on Kickstart, the same player he just answered a question for. Imagine that ruXxar is town. He sees Kickstart make a post, but doesn't try to look into his alignment. Then he sees me (Trfel) ask a question to Kickstart about that post, then immediately answers the question without stopping to realize that this is the same behavior criticized in his explanation (and he realizes that his play hurt town here). Only after answering my question to Kickstart does he bother to actually think about Kickstart's alignment. I can't see this coming from a town mindset, from someone who is actually interested in determining people's alignments. Furthermore, he hasn't made any alignment-related comments about anyone in the game other than Kickstart. RuXxar is being contradictory, cautious, and is showing a mindset that isn't towny at all. He's not interested in thinking about people's alignments. I beg to differ. I've been leading an open and active discussion, answering and asking questions. If I was scum I would be very careful not to expose myself like that. I already admitted that I missed the logical inconsistency in answering kick starts question. If I had been mafia then I would have been way more careful in considering my response and not make such an obvious error. The only one that has made any statements that I don't understand / agree with so far is kick start. He's also dodged my question so far. Liers means if you say you are going to do something but don't when it comes to forum mafia. Also good job breaking one of my rules, He only explained what it means, not why he said it. So @ kickstart. Please explain why you don't like liars. On its own this post isn't too bad but coupled with his general tone I think this just adds to it. A tell that a lot of new scum players fall for is proclaiming their inexperience. He does this a lot in his earlier posts in the way of justifying various things because of not knowing the game or the players, and in this post he does it again when it is needless imo. Saying I agree would have sufficed but for some reason he feels the need to proclaim his inexperience, something that everyone in the game knows. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 08:46 n00bKing wrote:On June 12 2015 08:24 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not voting on anyone yet, it's way too early for that.
I'm gathering information to base my reads upon.
I can only evaluate what I've read so far.
Putting pressure on people is also a good thing, not necessarily because you believe they are scum, but to see how they react in tense situations.
You're right, putting pressure on people can be a good thing, to see how they react. That's why you're wrong, it is not too early to vote. I agree. As said, it's my first time playing mafia and I haven't been in many situations lately where i have to formulate sharp logical arguments. I am usually forgiving to players I don't know or newer players, but to me there are so many things that seem scummy to me that I can't do that in ruXxars case. Thoughts?
3. Posted a lot day 1 and left a good impression on everyone, then left. Came back multiple times with an excuse but didn't a whole lot and left again. Even worse, promised something and never did it.
+ Show Spoiler +First time he came, he promised an analysis of bats filter that never came. On June 13 2015 05:37 Kickstart wrote:
Damn I went back to sleep and slept forever. 2 replacements already whata game. Still think ruXxar is slightly scummy but several people think he isn't so that's that. Sulfuris did come in and logic up his posts but that still leaves me baffled about his initial vote. If he is so concerned with the logic of his arguments and reads then how the hell did he make that post with that mindset. Seems like he did something scummy then tried to logic his way out. Seems the idea of a bats lynch is gathering steam. I actually thought his posting was weird but I have only played with him in 1 other game to go off of. I'll reread his filter at some point before EoD and see if I still get that impression. On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
4. This post seems forced to me too. It's about how he doesn't like noobking's posting. Not sure about that one though.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 16:38 Kickstart wrote:
Eh got some beauty sleep so I'm a bit calmer, lets see how long that lasts. Don't like n00bKing's posting in general. First game here, very lectury. Goes out of his way to tell people not to post fluff, yet posts nothing in the way of reads.
@king
Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum?
5. His progression of his read on me is so bad. I think at least one of the people pushing me is doing so because I'm an easy mislynch. And I think kickstart is the most opportunistic person that came into my train. Here is his train of thought regarding me. Please read at least the last quote in the spoiler, it's hilarious as hell.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 16:53 Kickstart wrote:
Either Rels is second smartest person in here behind me or he is trying real hard to pocket me D:. Everything hes posted has been in line with my thinking as well. On June 13 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Wheres does scotts 'wouldn't lynch rels' read come from. U wot.
Gosh i rly dont like list posts with no reasoning in them. Are me and rels suspicious to you but not enough to not vote and that is why we aren't in your 'like' list or what. On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
On June 15 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
meant to go ahead and vote.
##Vote Rels On June 15 2015 07:34 Kickstart wrote:
Yeah I don't agree with everything in noobs large post but I tend to agree that the most likely scum trio to me atm is sulf, ruxx, rels. And if one of them flips red it makes the other 2 look even scummier. On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long.
Conclusion: Mafia
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On June 16 2015 00:08 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 23:19 Rels wrote:KickstartI think the guy is mafia for these reasons: 1. Lots of fluff and not a lot of analysis. I didn't believe that before rerading his filter but that is true: there is almost no analysis in it. 2. This case is super forced 4 hours into the game. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 11:16 Kickstart wrote:Here's something of a mini-case on why I am scum reading ruXxar atm. First several posts he seems quite concerned about the scum team! Why is this. This doesn't seem to be normal new town player concerns to me. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:22 ruXxar wrote:
Well if the mafia are just going to lynch themselves then this should be an easy game! Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:26 ruXxar wrote:I actually believe in the right of individual freedom, so as long as the mafia just stick to themselves and don't hurt anyone, I don't mind having them around . *slaps himself* No, stop daydreaming ruxx! Then there was his answering question slip which has been the topic of much debate. It is really weird because I said I don't like people answering questions directed at others, Trfel asks me why, and then ruxx answers -______-. I think a townie would read that and be wary of answering because they see me saying that answering for others is a bad thing. My take on it is that ruxx maybe saw an easy opportunity to seem helpful and didn't even pay attention to the interaction going on there. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. Another post which doesn't seem like a town mindset at all to me. Why would town try to defend lying. This seems like scum saying "lying is ok" but trying to make it seem like something town just does all the time too, it isn't, and this is scum mindset imo. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
Why don't you like liars? Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. This goes for both sides. Deception is not a thing reserved only for mafia. What you meant to say is that you don't like liars that have conflicting interests from you. And yet another on the lying thing that I just don't see a townie making. This just stinks of scum mindset to me again. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:04 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:50 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. Wait.... So you are serious about your explanation for not answering a question directed at someone else, because it helps them answer the question if they are scum. But in saying this, you answered a question directed at someone else, your scum read? This explanation is going to be good. Yes my answer was serious. I see now how that actually denied us information from kick start. It was a mistake on my part to actually answer that question. Can you please clarify, why are you scumreading Kickstart? I didn't like his statement about not liking liars. This whole game is based on the concept of deception. If you don't like that aspect of the game, why are you here? You might claim that you like hunting lying mafia, But it's not a given beforehand what role you will be, so that doesn't make sense either. I have no prior info about any of the players here, so he might have some personal conviction for why he said that, but to me it didn't seem like a genuine well thought through statement. And here is a ton of WIFOM that is literally useless to town. Ended with a pointless question to me. Again to me it is just obvious why as town you don't like people to lie, I even explained a few times what I meant by the statement, so he is either not reading or pressing a nonsensical point. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:43 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote:ruXxar1. Answered a question directed to someone else, while explaining why answering questions directed at others hurts town + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. RuXxar provided a reasonable explanation for why it is bad to answer questions directed at other people. However, this explanation was an answer to my question directed at Kickstart. In this very post, he's doing why he says that this is bad. He's confident enough to ignore any potential purpose that I had for this question, confident enough in Kickstart's alignment that he doesn't want to hear Kickstart's answer, but not confident enough to leave the post without stating that this is what he thinks, implying that he could be wrong. 2. The person he answered a question for is now his scumread + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. When he is questioned, ruxXar throws out a scum lean. However, he does this on Kickstart, the same player he just answered a question for. Imagine that ruXxar is town. He sees Kickstart make a post, but doesn't try to look into his alignment. Then he sees me (Trfel) ask a question to Kickstart about that post, then immediately answers the question without stopping to realize that this is the same behavior criticized in his explanation (and he realizes that his play hurt town here). Only after answering my question to Kickstart does he bother to actually think about Kickstart's alignment. I can't see this coming from a town mindset, from someone who is actually interested in determining people's alignments. Furthermore, he hasn't made any alignment-related comments about anyone in the game other than Kickstart. RuXxar is being contradictory, cautious, and is showing a mindset that isn't towny at all. He's not interested in thinking about people's alignments. I beg to differ. I've been leading an open and active discussion, answering and asking questions. If I was scum I would be very careful not to expose myself like that. I already admitted that I missed the logical inconsistency in answering kick starts question. If I had been mafia then I would have been way more careful in considering my response and not make such an obvious error. The only one that has made any statements that I don't understand / agree with so far is kick start. He's also dodged my question so far. Liers means if you say you are going to do something but don't when it comes to forum mafia. Also good job breaking one of my rules, He only explained what it means, not why he said it. So @ kickstart. Please explain why you don't like liars. On its own this post isn't too bad but coupled with his general tone I think this just adds to it. A tell that a lot of new scum players fall for is proclaiming their inexperience. He does this a lot in his earlier posts in the way of justifying various things because of not knowing the game or the players, and in this post he does it again when it is needless imo. Saying I agree would have sufficed but for some reason he feels the need to proclaim his inexperience, something that everyone in the game knows. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 08:46 n00bKing wrote:On June 12 2015 08:24 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not voting on anyone yet, it's way too early for that.
I'm gathering information to base my reads upon.
I can only evaluate what I've read so far.
Putting pressure on people is also a good thing, not necessarily because you believe they are scum, but to see how they react in tense situations.
You're right, putting pressure on people can be a good thing, to see how they react. That's why you're wrong, it is not too early to vote. I agree. As said, it's my first time playing mafia and I haven't been in many situations lately where i have to formulate sharp logical arguments. I am usually forgiving to players I don't know or newer players, but to me there are so many things that seem scummy to me that I can't do that in ruXxars case. Thoughts? 3. Posted a lot day 1 and left a good impression on everyone, then left. Came back multiple times with an excuse but didn't a whole lot and left again. Even worse, promised something and never did it. + Show Spoiler +First time he came, he promised an analysis of bats filter that never came. On June 13 2015 05:37 Kickstart wrote:
Damn I went back to sleep and slept forever. 2 replacements already whata game. Still think ruXxar is slightly scummy but several people think he isn't so that's that. Sulfuris did come in and logic up his posts but that still leaves me baffled about his initial vote. If he is so concerned with the logic of his arguments and reads then how the hell did he make that post with that mindset. Seems like he did something scummy then tried to logic his way out. Seems the idea of a bats lynch is gathering steam. I actually thought his posting was weird but I have only played with him in 1 other game to go off of. I'll reread his filter at some point before EoD and see if I still get that impression. On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
4. This post seems forced to me too. It's about how he doesn't like noobking's posting. Not sure about that one though. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 16:38 Kickstart wrote:
Eh got some beauty sleep so I'm a bit calmer, lets see how long that lasts. Don't like n00bKing's posting in general. First game here, very lectury. Goes out of his way to tell people not to post fluff, yet posts nothing in the way of reads.
@king
Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum? 5. His progression of his read on me is so bad. I think at least one of the people pushing me is doing so because I'm an easy mislynch. And I think kickstart is the most opportunistic person that came into my train. Here is his train of thought regarding me. Please read at least the last quote in the spoiler, it's hilarious as hell. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 16:53 Kickstart wrote:
Either Rels is second smartest person in here behind me or he is trying real hard to pocket me D:. Everything hes posted has been in line with my thinking as well. On June 13 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Wheres does scotts 'wouldn't lynch rels' read come from. U wot.
Gosh i rly dont like list posts with no reasoning in them. Are me and rels suspicious to you but not enough to not vote and that is why we aren't in your 'like' list or what. On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
On June 15 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
meant to go ahead and vote.
##Vote Rels On June 15 2015 07:34 Kickstart wrote:
Yeah I don't agree with everything in noobs large post but I tend to agree that the most likely scum trio to me atm is sulf, ruxx, rels. And if one of them flips red it makes the other 2 look even scummier. On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Conclusion: Mafia What happened to moose and Scott?
scott's case coming very soon. (=
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scott31337
I think scott is mafia for these reasons
1. You knew it was coming (= scott's predecessor, plants, had only one post, and that post was super bad.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Show nested quote +Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:OK I finally found a mafia. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph. What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points: - He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him. - His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot.
2. scott hoped on the "lynch Rels" train too easily for my taste. His only arguments were "Trfel's case is good" and "he didn't answer my question". Furthermore, the Trfel's case he's sheeping is not the initial one but a super bad one. Even noobking said so. See here for more info on case. In spoiler you'll find the evolution of scott's read on me.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. On June 13 2015 06:56 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town?
I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more. On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.
I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.
He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added) So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny? On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.
You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player. This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early. ##unvoteOn June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!
I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon. I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic. On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this? On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town. I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him. I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content. On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is... Clearly that guy is 3P. I don't know what 3P means either. Third party. Let me rephrase this since I see what you are saying but I didn't type that properly. Rels made a case on my replacement slot that he believed in, and caught Plants in a "lie" - I saw him a slight town read for believing in his case. I meant more of (even if he is calling out my replacement slot). On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. What the fuck is that thing. Say how we played differently or don't say anything at all. His next post is how he changed his reads on me. Just sheep the Trfel. Easy no effort would do again. On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! On June 15 2015 03:55 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 02:33 batsnacks wrote:On June 15 2015 02:26 n00bKing wrote:On June 15 2015 02:05 batsnacks wrote:
n00bking you read a lot of newbie mafia X right? Who would you say your play style this game most closely resembles in that game? That's a very unusual question. I guess I hadn't thought about it. Without going back to look at that thread, I guess I would say my play in this game is a closest match for...Rels, in that game? I remember often thinking that Breschke and Barakos were saying things that made me think they were Town. But they weren't always saying things that I had myself been thinking before they posted it. Rels was. (P.S. I still can't believe you guys lynched Bill Murray over ninjabunnies. I was almost yelling at the screen, toward the end of that Phase. lol) BM was a fine lynch he didn't do anything to prevent it and we had a green check on bunnies. Your posting this game is very similar to boxerfred. He spent tons of effort speculating about roles instead of focusing on finding mafia and we all just gave him a pass because he was new and at least he was posting a lot. I don't know if he read the mafia QT either, but it was all a ruse to get newbtowncred. This brings up a very good point. So even in my question to rels (who has not answered yet) Sulfurus still hasn't posted anything. All there is are a couple posts on lynch Trfel (who I townread and is mostly townread at this time) so I'm doubtful this is going to happen. - so make a case or try again. I'm down for a Sulf or a Rels lynch. Where I'm at - BS looks- okay? even if we was incorrect Damdred is trying to solve the game WoS and Trfel are up there as well, I like WoS list post. Oats has a little defensive attitude, but slight town also Kickstart just feels so much more different then his last game as town which makes me wonder about him n00bking is a slight town read but a lot of wordy fluff in his posts Moosy I'm still a toss up on Ruxxar - His bluehunting was terrible. I want to smack him in the head with a trout. Donkey town? On June 15 2015 07:09 scott31337 wrote:
What an awesome post, n00b. I haven't felt good about Sulf or Rels, and Rels didn't reply to anything, just went to sleep.
##Vote Rels On June 15 2015 13:08 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 15 2015 12:03 scott31337 wrote:On June 15 2015 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): RelsGeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruxxar, Scott Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript, scott11331373737373771317371373Not Voting (0):K so to begin with, Rels and Oats are the first two on. Circumstances: Rels - came up with sorta-novel reasons to vote Geript once I was already off of him. This is probably actually a point in his favour overall as it was probably easier to do so while I was on him (though then again maybe it's just because he wasn't on while all my shit with him was going down? meh. He also asks me why I stopped voting him) The vote itself isn't bad is what I'm saying here. Oats - Just switched on to him with no exposition as I mentioned earlier. When asked his response was: On June 14 2015 10:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHat you want wave?
Geript flipped town. Sucks. Move on.
If you are asking why Geript as opposed to other people, basically what I explained earlier. He didn't post before I slept so yeah, that's where my read was. On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.
Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.
This is believable actually, and he had a good reason to switch I suppose, I just didn't bother to look back initially when accusing him. This also fits with his 'more-likely-townplay' of switching reads around constantly. Now comes the shitstorm. I'm fine with Bat's vote so I'm not going to bother here. Important to note though that he already has 3 people on him when Bats votes so scum can now see this is as a likely mislynch. Trfel - First to jump on the wake of Bat's 'discovery.' Eh. On looking through I thought he was on Rels all day and then dropped his amazing case instantly in favor of even after this post: On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels But he was onto batsnacks as well at one point. It does kinda look as though he almost doesn't believe his own case at times because of his initial dropoff from Rels onto bats, then as bats lost ground back onto rels again and onto Geript. He does put a LOT of effort into his rels push when he is on him though so at the same time it seems doubtful that this is a half-assed push where he was just looking for an out. Not sold either on this one. Also liked his activity around the lynch and his first post after flip. Damdred - This is it. On June 14 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Bats...I am so proud of you Interested to hear what bats himself thinks here of the people who sheeped him actually. I take it you were too excited it about your lynch at the time to see all of this going down? Moosy - Fine with him. Has a monster filter, constant discussion of the lynch while it was going down. Ruxxar - Ah, I remember pointing this one out before. On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Wow bats... I'm speechless. I had you and geript as my top two scum. I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard. You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes. I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript. ##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript I also remember not liking his post after the flip. Just looks like he's making more excuses and feigning... something.Ugh I know I've been calling him town due to the moosy business but the more I watch those two the more I think SOMETHING has to be going on here. Ruxxar more likely scum than moosy by a huge factor. Scott - Actually just ninjavoted. Didn't even say a thing about Geript. That's interesting. Ballsy for scum but apparently nobody picked up on it so far? Personally thinking Damdred and Ruxxar come out looking the worst on geript train analysis. Both jump on after the train has begun to gather steam and help to push it past the crucial point (Damdred more so than even Ruxxar) But ruxxar's posting around it was pretty terrible while Damdred's is minimal and while not great, I COULD just see it coming from non-self-conscious town. I'm kind of glad I did, when I came back to the thread the flip was already there. I could've got modkilled for failure to vote with the hour earlier confusion. Batsnacks case made sense at the time and I sheeped it. was there any reason you didnt feel a need to post in the thread around that time? Who are your scumreads now? I did but indirectly. The flipped already happened - I went to re-evaluate. Rels / Sulf / KS - I have asked multiple questions to Rels and he could care less answering mine or the others. Sulf's filter as I've said before has a couple posts and then goes after Trfel KS would be the least of the three, but his game is so much different then last game and he was town.
3. Small filter, that can be explained by the fact that he replaced in. But in his small filters, there is a lot of fluff.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 06:22 scott31337 wrote:
I'm around if you have any questions. On June 13 2015 08:04 scott31337 wrote:
Rels I think you're required to revote after a replacement. On June 14 2015 05:39 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 05:18 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 04:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 04:40 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 04:13 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:
Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position?
Knowing that there is only 1 kp, then i believe there is a case both for and against the PGO to reveal himself. Here are my scenarios for and against : For: The PGO is a weak town player that might get cop checked. The PGO is one of the strongest town players and likely to be targeted by the medic. Against: A semi strong town player is the PGO, but he's not the strongest. Medic will most likely protect the perceived strongest town player. The mafia knowing this will go for some of the second strongest targets they know probably won't be saved by the medic. In this case it's beneficial for the PGO to not reveal himself. That's pretty interesting, considering you had just said this: ruXxar wrote: After reducing kill power to 1 I would agree that Carl revealing himself is a good play. In my first post I was just taking into consideration that mafia with 1 kp perform 1 target action per night and that town has 2 with cop and medic. It wasn't until my last post that i thought about it more deeply and tried to figure out the real scenarios. I'm also not used to mafia with more roles than mafia, cop, medic, vigilante and town. A lot of my thinking right now is automatically based around just having those roles in the game, since that's what i've had the most exposure to. I'm trying to rectify this. You're moving in the opposite direction of what would make sense, though. You assumed the Town had only Cop and Doctor. And said that once the Mafia was down to 1kp, it makes sense for Carl to claim. Now, nevermind the fact that a discussion OF the Carl role ALREADY destroys your notion that the Town only has Cop and Doctor as its non-vanilla roles. When you add in Dr. Weird and Frylock as additional Town roles that could be killed by Carl (both of which would kill Carl at the same time!) it becomes way MORE obvious that Carl needs to claim. Instead, when you thought about it more, you start to see a case for and against him claiming? That doesn't make any sense. Please make sense. My scenarios make sense in the isolated scope i presented. I'm trying to make sense of the role listed posted on the first page but it's confusing me. scum team - "Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday"
context: + Show Spoiler +
Roleblocker - Cybernectic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future:
Every night, you may choose a player to roleblock, which will prevent them from performing actions and visits that night. The roleblocked player will be notified, even if s/he is vanilla. + Show Spoiler +
Rolecop -Happy Time Harry:
Every night you may choose a player to role check. You will get a result saying what role they have.+ Show Spoiler +
Godfather - Ignignokt the mooninite:
You return "town" to cop checks, as though you were a vanilla townie. + Show Spoiler +
Vigilante - rabbot:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. + Show Spoiler +
Goon - plutionian (Emory and Ogelthorpe) + Show Spoiler +
Town
Mad Hatter - Dr. Weird:
You have 1 bomb. At night you can place that bomb on another player, or move the bomb. When you die, the bomb blows up killing them. If your target is lynched, your bomb is lost. If your target is shot, the bomb is returned to you. You win with the town.+ Show Spoiler +
Cop - Allen (Alien):
Each night phase, you may choose a player to investigate. You will visit the player and receive "Town" or "Anti-town" as a result. Your results are guaranteed to be accurate. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
Veteran - Master Shake:
You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
Vigilante - frylock:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. You win with the town.
+ Show Spoiler +
Paranoid Gun Owner - Carl:
The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets it during the Night. You win with town.+ Show Spoiler +
Doctor - Neil:
Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to protect. You will visit the player, and if the mafia attempt to kill a player you are protecting on the same night, the kill will fail. Neither you nor the target will be notified if you prevent a kill. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
VT - Meatwad piece + Show Spoiler +
According to this, it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles: Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon. Or does it mean that there are 3 mafia PLUS possibly 5 other roles that are not mafia, but win when mafia wins? Please help me understand. Your first sentence is correct - "it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles: Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon." and It's usually going to be two roles and a goon, and one will probably be a roleblocker. But the hosts could have some crazy setup as well, you never know, this is just based on past TL mafia games. On June 15 2015 06:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 05:50 ruXxar wrote:
Here's some food for thought.
So far we have scum reads on 2 mafia, Rels and Sulfu.
Both are newbies.
How likely do you think that all 3 mafia are in the newbie group?
Would it not make sense that at least 1 mafia is part of the veteran group?
People who have played previous newbie games, what is usually the distribution of mafia on newbie/veteran side? In theory it's RNG. IX was all newbies until Holyflare replaced in.
4. Even more troubling than small filters with fluff posts, scott has a lot of his posts asking question. And he never did anything with the answer he got. Seriously, if scott asked you a question, look if he did anything with his answer.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 02:13 scott31337 wrote:
You have three votes Bats, how do you feel about those people? (N00b, ruxxar, Oats) On June 13 2015 07:22 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie. So it sounds like you have been thru the thread. Any other thoughts? On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats? On June 13 2015 14:45 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 14:12 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats? What about batsnacks' posting is towny? Self-meta? A lot of his posting recently- for an example Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:37 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:34 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:26 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote:
I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?
Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet. Okay. Well nope, I continue to agree with you that you're a reasonably good lynch target for Day 1. Also, you're aware that the player you're voting against now was not anywhere on your "would lynch" list, an hour ago? Trfel really turned your whole world upside down that quickly? Yes he did Trfel makes awesome cases. Also I made that list before I started reading filters. If you follow the thread you can verify that. Do you think this is just a pocket or he is mafia? On June 14 2015 09:49 scott31337 wrote:I want to re-read Sulf and Rels again among others. What would your reasons for this be?
5. That list post without any explanation. After I asked, he gave some one liners to explain each scum leans he has. His scum lean on ruxxar is not explained, given that he stated that he has a town lean on him before.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar On June 13 2015 08:58 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. Could you comment on this list post of yours: On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar Could you please add justifications for the "could lynch" nominees ? Batsnacks - Been on the wagon most of the day and play is different then his normal town. His last few posts have been slightly better though so that's why I haven't voted him yet. Geript - Hasn't taken much of a stance - his list post wasn't that great - He's a good mafia player but really has a IDGAF mode this game so far. MoosyDoosy - pretty down the line middle - the "Sulfurus is the easiest to make a case" post, "wishy-washy" Sulfurus - has like four posts - unsure if he's legit AFK/IRL or just shitting the bed - and none of them were that great, and quick start vote. Probably leaning the most ATM RuXxar-3/4's of his thread is about liars and and the rest is pretty blah - Hopefully he'll show up tonight. Before this list post, here is the only time he gives his opinion on ruxxar: On June 13 2015 02:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town. This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read
6. This post. This is such a bad post. Either you say what's different or you don't say anything at all.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder.
7. Voted geript 40 minutes before the deadline, without ever referencing him before. In his lynch list, Sulfu was the scummier. Two hours before EOD, he said he would lynch me over Sulfu.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! Here is his explanation for that: On June 15 2015 12:03 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): RelsGeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruxxar, Scott Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript, scott11331373737373771317371373Not Voting (0):K so to begin with, Rels and Oats are the first two on. Circumstances: Rels - came up with sorta-novel reasons to vote Geript once I was already off of him. This is probably actually a point in his favour overall as it was probably easier to do so while I was on him (though then again maybe it's just because he wasn't on while all my shit with him was going down? meh. He also asks me why I stopped voting him) The vote itself isn't bad is what I'm saying here. Oats - Just switched on to him with no exposition as I mentioned earlier. When asked his response was: On June 14 2015 10:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHat you want wave?
Geript flipped town. Sucks. Move on.
If you are asking why Geript as opposed to other people, basically what I explained earlier. He didn't post before I slept so yeah, that's where my read was. On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.
Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.
This is believable actually, and he had a good reason to switch I suppose, I just didn't bother to look back initially when accusing him. This also fits with his 'more-likely-townplay' of switching reads around constantly. Now comes the shitstorm. I'm fine with Bat's vote so I'm not going to bother here. Important to note though that he already has 3 people on him when Bats votes so scum can now see this is as a likely mislynch. Trfel - First to jump on the wake of Bat's 'discovery.' Eh. On looking through I thought he was on Rels all day and then dropped his amazing case instantly in favor of even after this post: On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels But he was onto batsnacks as well at one point. It does kinda look as though he almost doesn't believe his own case at times because of his initial dropoff from Rels onto bats, then as bats lost ground back onto rels again and onto Geript. He does put a LOT of effort into his rels push when he is on him though so at the same time it seems doubtful that this is a half-assed push where he was just looking for an out. Not sold either on this one. Also liked his activity around the lynch and his first post after flip. Damdred - This is it. On June 14 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Bats...I am so proud of you Interested to hear what bats himself thinks here of the people who sheeped him actually. I take it you were too excited it about your lynch at the time to see all of this going down? Moosy - Fine with him. Has a monster filter, constant discussion of the lynch while it was going down. Ruxxar - Ah, I remember pointing this one out before. On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Wow bats... I'm speechless. I had you and geript as my top two scum. I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard. You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes. I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript. ##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript I also remember not liking his post after the flip. Just looks like he's making more excuses and feigning... something.Ugh I know I've been calling him town due to the moosy business but the more I watch those two the more I think SOMETHING has to be going on here. Ruxxar more likely scum than moosy by a huge factor. Scott - Actually just ninjavoted. Didn't even say a thing about Geript. That's interesting. Ballsy for scum but apparently nobody picked up on it so far? Personally thinking Damdred and Ruxxar come out looking the worst on geript train analysis. Both jump on after the train has begun to gather steam and help to push it past the crucial point (Damdred more so than even Ruxxar) But ruxxar's posting around it was pretty terrible while Damdred's is minimal and while not great, I COULD just see it coming from non-self-conscious town. I'm kind of glad I did, when I came back to the thread the flip was already there. I could've got modkilled for failure to vote with the hour earlier confusion. Batsnacks case made sense at the time and I sheeped it.
8. This post were I put the theory of moosy and scott being mafia for acclaiming noobking's super play, but not following his last will. This is kinda weak on its own, but in addition to the other points that theory makes sense.
Conclusion: Mafia
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I'm leaving work in 30 minutes so I don't have the time to finish a full analysis of moosy's filter, as it is pretty enormous. Didn't think these two posts on scott and on kickstart would take me that long.
Here is what I'm going to do:
- In the time I have before going home, I'll analyse my hard town reads
- I'll do the moosy analysis when I get home, so you can expect it in 3 hours max. For the other players that will take longer as I also have to take care of my sick GF. I'll definitely do everybody before sleeping though, so I'll have posted analysis on everyone in 9 hours max.
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Here are some quicker analysis then KS' and scott's. Quicker 'cause I think these players are town.
Sulfurus
I think Sulfu is town for two reasons
1. Sulfu's play match his play on the newbie X game. Seriously, go read his filter on that game if you doubt that.
2. Sulfurus has been on a lot of pressure starting on the latter part of day 1. He could easily have been lynched. But he still hardefended me all game, even today where we are the two wagons. Noobking post pushed me even harder in this direction and I'm now sure Sulfu is town.
On June 15 2015 20:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
[...]
And it's a GOOD question. If Sulfurus is scum and trying to avoid the noose, why is he protecting this new potential target (Rels)? Well, one explanation that would make sense is: If Rels is ALSO scum.
[...]
But this is convincing me that Sulfu is town even more. If Sulfu is mafia, there is no way he's defending me so hard, when, as noobking said, I'm a easy train de hop on and we're two likely candidates for lynch.
Conclusion : Town
Trfel
Wow. His filter is so good. Every action is backed up by reasons.
I'm not gonna quote or list reasons 'cause it's going to be quick.
Initially, I thought the only suspicious thing about him was how he changed his scumreads so many times during the end of day 1. But reading his filter, every change of opinion is clearly explicated. From me, then batsnacks mafia, then batsnacks town, then geript mafia ... the way he thinks is very clear.
I would very much like that he stopped on confirmation bias on me though. His initial reasons and BS reasons for suspecting me were good at the time, but then he went to evaluate a lot of my posts as mafia when there was no good reasons to. Talking about this and this.
Conclusion: Town
WaveofShadow
This guy is so universally read as town that that's going to be super quick too.
To be short:
- we can see his train of thought super easily
- he's pressuring people with good questions
- he's not jumping on my train even though it was so easy to do so at the start of day 2
Conclusion: Town
ruxxar
I think he's town because:
1. Post his thought very clearly on the thread.
2. I cannot see a mafia making this post.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town.
3. Tried to solve the game with arguments I understand and post questions.
+ Show Spoiler +I'll leave this post as example of solving. On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus. I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment. I went through the voting history to see who voted for him. The kickstart vote was too early to judge for me, so I ignored it. The next one to vote is geript. Reading through geripts filter I get a bad vibe. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. He pointed out that since noone jumped on moosy for this post, then moosy is mafia. This makes no sense to me. To me that post is filled with genuine excitement from a newbie. Seeing as I'm a newbie too i understand all to well how he must've felt in his early posts. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript I don't understand how you go from seemingly town-->scum-->town on moosy without any real change in anything he has done. Not following thought processes with you at all, though I think that actually might be standard for you and it annoys me. Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso: 1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum 2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum 3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Did you look at this post at all? He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card. It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to: "I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?" I don't see even newer town players do that often. Then he gets into an argument with waveofshadow who also picks up on his inconsistency in alignment on moosy. I can't see his reasoning for voting on sulfurous. Basically he said 2 things about sulfurous: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. and Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. Then kickstart says this which aligns with my own thinking. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange. This give me a townlean on kickstart. I still think bats is our best lynch for day 1, but geript has raised a red flag for me. I want to know why he's voting for sulfurus.
BUT one point against him: I find extremely weird that he spends so many post wondering about blues, cops, if moosy is doctor, setups. It creates length of filter for no info at all
+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 00:55 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 00:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote:So first off. I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected. It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it. I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it. All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far. I can't help but feel like i've been fooled. I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily. If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread. After reading all the filters again I also get a bad vibe off moosy. I had you as a town read early on since you so accurately read me with the IRL mafia association and came from the point of view as a newbie, but somehow I feel like that has blinded me from looking at the overarching lines of your play. -Pulls the noob card a lot, too much imo. I can't excuse that you thought there were only 2 mafia in the game, nor that you missed that geript flipped. Missing that geript flipped as town has nothing to do with being a newb, but seems to me that you're trying to ride that excuse for a lot of things. -Indecisive, passive play, says he wants to be careful with his vote. A lot of his comments are just very superficial questions which he backs off very easily. Almost like he's trying to pretend like he's helping but not really. He makes it seem like he's contributing by asking players their opinions, but makes no hard accusations of his own. The only time he follows an accusation is when other people already started a wagon. Wants other people to make a case for him: On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
The last couple of hours are such a disappointment. Had 6 votes on one player and 5 on another. Now there are 4 different players with at least 3 votes on them, none of which have more than a 1-vote lead on any other. Who wants to post a trainwreck pic? Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point? Trying to misrepresent what geript actually said(he said that the post about his slip was dumb, not the post he himself made was dumb). On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read. You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum. This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost. That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself. Then he posts this gem: On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time. I'm trying to imagine a world where moosy and bat are mafia together. It seems possible. There's more points to be made about moosy which some people have already made, including n00bking and rels. For now Moosy is climbing up as my #2 scum after bat. Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death. 1. Pulling the noob card I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help. - When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior. - geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up. - Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use. 2. Indecisive, passive play - Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out. - Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument. - Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context. 3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.
Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder. The bold part makes me think you have a power role... Actually, I don't just think so, it seems like very strong evidence for a power role. I'm curious if you actually are the medic. On June 15 2015 05:50 ruXxar wrote:
Here's some food for thought.
So far we have scum reads on 2 mafia, Rels and Sulfu.
Both are newbies.
How likely do you think that all 3 mafia are in the newbie group?
Would it not make sense that at least 1 mafia is part of the veteran group?
People who have played previous newbie games, what is usually the distribution of mafia on newbie/veteran side?
I think this guy is town. But the enormous amount of posts him discussing setups, blues, mafia teams ... is offsetting me a little bit. I rushed to finish this case so I didn't quote every post where he does that in the spoiler, but there is more.
Conclusion: Town lean
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Obviously I agree with ruxxar's post on Sulfu.
Alright time to go home, see you in a few hours. (=
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On June 16 2015 02:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 20:55 Rels wrote:On June 15 2015 07:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##vote Rels
Good job n00bKing you did well. On June 15 2015 07:09 scott31337 wrote:
What an awesome post, n00b. I haven't felt good about Sulf or Rels, and Rels didn't reply to anything, just went to sleep.
##Vote Rels Hahaha that is so good (= I'm so happy to read these two posts. I think the two posters are scum. Here is why. All the suspicions noobkind put on me start with the premise that Sulfu is town. He himself say to lynch Sulfu first, then IF Sulfu is mafia, to lynch ruxxar or me day 3. He also says than ruxxar would be a better lynch than me day 3. Don't believe me ? On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
Sulfurus would be my top lynch on Day 2. If he flips Red, is it better to go after ruXxar or Rels next? That's tough. The ties between Sulfurus and ruXxar are definitely stronger than the ties between Sulfurus and Rels. But Rels is being read by more people as being generally scummy right now, so he might be the easier lynch, even if ruXxar could be the more logical lynch.
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If Sulfurus flips Green, then it's back to the drawing board, to some extent. Hopefully that would mean a batsnacks scum team, and he's paired with either Moosy or damdred. But that case is tougher to make than Sulfurus/ruXxar/Rels.
So. Just after this post, noobking dies and here is what happens: 1 - moosy and scott both expressed good feelings about noobking's post. 2 - noobking's post say to lynch Sulfu day 2, and if he flips mafia, to lynch ruxxar and me, ruxxar being the stronger lynch 3 - moosy and scott vote me instead. You know what is even funnier ? Let me quote this moosy post that happens just after his vote to me. Please read it carefully. On June 15 2015 07:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright guys, Rels first then Sulfurus. After that, we re-look over n00bKing's post then decide on the next person. I'm inclined to trust him though. That analysis was so good. That "so good analysis" that moosy is talking about says to lynch Sulfu first, and that I'm not mafia unless Sulfu is too. But moosy wants to lynch me first. Then he wants to lynch Sulfu. And finally ruxxar. I can see a scum agenda here. How ? Let's consider this timeline: 1 - we lynch Sulfu, he flips green 2 - if we follow noobking post, we're not lynching me nor ruxxar anymore. Conclusion: we only mislynched once. moosy seems to be pushing for a better timeline for mafia: 1 - we lynch me, I flip green 2 - too bad! Let's follow noobking post again ... mm that's true he asked for sulfu's lynch first. 3 - we lynch sulfu, I flip green Conclusion: two mislynches Yeh, again, that wasn't my intention. The reason why I voted to lynch you first was because there were already arguments from me, Trfel, batsnacks, and now n00bKing. Comparatively, no one really made any cases against Sulfurus which is why I felt it would be safer to be lynching you.
Alright I can accept this explanation. I responded all the cases you mentioned, did that change your read on me ?
The thing about linking your cases to noobking's is still a little, little bit scummy. Obviously it's weak so nobody will lynch you for only this.
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On June 16 2015 02:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 02:50 Rels wrote:On June 16 2015 02:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 20:55 Rels wrote:On June 15 2015 07:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##vote Rels
Good job n00bKing you did well. On June 15 2015 07:09 scott31337 wrote:
What an awesome post, n00b. I haven't felt good about Sulf or Rels, and Rels didn't reply to anything, just went to sleep.
##Vote Rels Hahaha that is so good (= I'm so happy to read these two posts. I think the two posters are scum. Here is why. All the suspicions noobkind put on me start with the premise that Sulfu is town. He himself say to lynch Sulfu first, then IF Sulfu is mafia, to lynch ruxxar or me day 3. He also says than ruxxar would be a better lynch than me day 3. Don't believe me ? On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
Sulfurus would be my top lynch on Day 2. If he flips Red, is it better to go after ruXxar or Rels next? That's tough. The ties between Sulfurus and ruXxar are definitely stronger than the ties between Sulfurus and Rels. But Rels is being read by more people as being generally scummy right now, so he might be the easier lynch, even if ruXxar could be the more logical lynch.
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If Sulfurus flips Green, then it's back to the drawing board, to some extent. Hopefully that would mean a batsnacks scum team, and he's paired with either Moosy or damdred. But that case is tougher to make than Sulfurus/ruXxar/Rels.
So. Just after this post, noobking dies and here is what happens: 1 - moosy and scott both expressed good feelings about noobking's post. 2 - noobking's post say to lynch Sulfu day 2, and if he flips mafia, to lynch ruxxar and me, ruxxar being the stronger lynch 3 - moosy and scott vote me instead. You know what is even funnier ? Let me quote this moosy post that happens just after his vote to me. Please read it carefully. On June 15 2015 07:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright guys, Rels first then Sulfurus. After that, we re-look over n00bKing's post then decide on the next person. I'm inclined to trust him though. That analysis was so good. That "so good analysis" that moosy is talking about says to lynch Sulfu first, and that I'm not mafia unless Sulfu is too. But moosy wants to lynch me first. Then he wants to lynch Sulfu. And finally ruxxar. I can see a scum agenda here. How ? Let's consider this timeline: 1 - we lynch Sulfu, he flips green 2 - if we follow noobking post, we're not lynching me nor ruxxar anymore. Conclusion: we only mislynched once. moosy seems to be pushing for a better timeline for mafia: 1 - we lynch me, I flip green 2 - too bad! Let's follow noobking post again ... mm that's true he asked for sulfu's lynch first. 3 - we lynch sulfu, I flip green Conclusion: two mislynches Yeh, again, that wasn't my intention. The reason why I voted to lynch you first was because there were already arguments from me, Trfel, batsnacks, and now n00bKing. Comparatively, no one really made any cases against Sulfurus which is why I felt it would be safer to be lynching you. Alright I can accept this explanation. I responded all the cases you mentioned, did that change your read on me ? The thing about linking your cases to noobking's is still a little, little bit scummy. Obviously it's weak so nobody will lynch you for only this. If anything, linking my cases to n00bKing's is the opposite of scummy considering that he turned out to be VT as well. Since it seems that no one exactly wants to immediately chop off my head, I'll go back and re-read over everything carefully.
Now that you just admitted that your case and noobking's were different, I find it more opportunistic than good. That's why I called it a small scum hint.
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On June 16 2015 03:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 02:58 Rels wrote:On June 16 2015 02:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 16 2015 02:50 Rels wrote:On June 16 2015 02:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 20:55 Rels wrote:On June 15 2015 07:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##vote Rels
Good job n00bKing you did well. On June 15 2015 07:09 scott31337 wrote:
What an awesome post, n00b. I haven't felt good about Sulf or Rels, and Rels didn't reply to anything, just went to sleep.
##Vote Rels Hahaha that is so good (= I'm so happy to read these two posts. I think the two posters are scum. Here is why. All the suspicions noobkind put on me start with the premise that Sulfu is town. He himself say to lynch Sulfu first, then IF Sulfu is mafia, to lynch ruxxar or me day 3. He also says than ruxxar would be a better lynch than me day 3. Don't believe me ? On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
Sulfurus would be my top lynch on Day 2. If he flips Red, is it better to go after ruXxar or Rels next? That's tough. The ties between Sulfurus and ruXxar are definitely stronger than the ties between Sulfurus and Rels. But Rels is being read by more people as being generally scummy right now, so he might be the easier lynch, even if ruXxar could be the more logical lynch.
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If Sulfurus flips Green, then it's back to the drawing board, to some extent. Hopefully that would mean a batsnacks scum team, and he's paired with either Moosy or damdred. But that case is tougher to make than Sulfurus/ruXxar/Rels.
So. Just after this post, noobking dies and here is what happens: 1 - moosy and scott both expressed good feelings about noobking's post. 2 - noobking's post say to lynch Sulfu day 2, and if he flips mafia, to lynch ruxxar and me, ruxxar being the stronger lynch 3 - moosy and scott vote me instead. You know what is even funnier ? Let me quote this moosy post that happens just after his vote to me. Please read it carefully. On June 15 2015 07:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright guys, Rels first then Sulfurus. After that, we re-look over n00bKing's post then decide on the next person. I'm inclined to trust him though. That analysis was so good. That "so good analysis" that moosy is talking about says to lynch Sulfu first, and that I'm not mafia unless Sulfu is too. But moosy wants to lynch me first. Then he wants to lynch Sulfu. And finally ruxxar. I can see a scum agenda here. How ? Let's consider this timeline: 1 - we lynch Sulfu, he flips green 2 - if we follow noobking post, we're not lynching me nor ruxxar anymore. Conclusion: we only mislynched once. moosy seems to be pushing for a better timeline for mafia: 1 - we lynch me, I flip green 2 - too bad! Let's follow noobking post again ... mm that's true he asked for sulfu's lynch first. 3 - we lynch sulfu, I flip green Conclusion: two mislynches Yeh, again, that wasn't my intention. The reason why I voted to lynch you first was because there were already arguments from me, Trfel, batsnacks, and now n00bKing. Comparatively, no one really made any cases against Sulfurus which is why I felt it would be safer to be lynching you. Alright I can accept this explanation. I responded all the cases you mentioned, did that change your read on me ? The thing about linking your cases to noobking's is still a little, little bit scummy. Obviously it's weak so nobody will lynch you for only this. If anything, linking my cases to n00bKing's is the opposite of scummy considering that he turned out to be VT as well. Since it seems that no one exactly wants to immediately chop off my head, I'll go back and re-read over everything carefully. Now that you just admitted that your case and noobking's were different, I find it more opportunistic than good. That's why I called it a small scum hint. Where did I say mine and n00bKing's cases were different? I was just saying that if you're linking mine and n00bKing's cases together, it would only show that I'm not scum because n00bKing turned out to be VT.
I'm not linking your case to noobking's. You did it yourself.
On June 16 2015 02:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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I also admit, I was a bit excited over the fact that we caught Mafia which is why I linked mine, n00bKing's, and batsnack's arguments to Kickstart, since it seemed that he was wondering what had gone down over the course of the thread. And if anything else, arguments against a certain Mafia is the most important part of the game.
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I don't really know about him. Will list for what reasons I find him scummy, and what reasons he could be town too.
Reasons for me suspecting him:
1. His first post. It's bad, long and weird.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves.
2. He refers himself as a newbie several times. Not as much as I thought day 1, but there is still a number of times he does it. In addition, he either dumbtells a few times and didn't read the OP carefully.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 13 2015 03:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 02:43 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 02:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Is this a dumbtell and didn't read the OP? Did he read boxerfred's last game and took all his ideas (Ie I'll act like I'm so newb everybody will just read me over for a few days) On June 13 2015 00:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
What I want to do is find out why geript stopped posting after WaveofShadow had a scumread on him.
@batsnacks, I mean, I'm pretty sure I made it clear I was a town but sure, go ahead and waste your vote. I sure am not seeing this "I made it clear". "Go ahead and waste your vote" is a very interesting way to word a vote on you if you are town. On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
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##vote moosygoosy On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. Making sense? He quoted one post and said talk about this. I like Oat's post about "N00bking" looking townie since didn't stop his advice posting even when people stopped him - that makes a lot of sense. Bats and Geript bussing Moose? looks like the most logical conclusion I see at this time. ## Batsnacks / Geript / MoosyDoosy but that would be too ez. But not liking Batsnacks. Anyone have any questions or want to point out things I may have missed? Ok, let's get this straight. As I said multiple times before, I'm new to TL and online Mafia. Either way, I'll address your points. 1. You say geript is a good Mafia from previous games and he's too obvious here leading to the conclusion he's not Mafia. If that's the case, how would you expect me to know that? I've never played TL Mafia before and never played with geript so I wouldn't know. 2. All I know about boxerfred is from his post here where he said he couldn't play and from his lack of posts. I don't even know what games he was previously in. The only person I know is Trfel who goes on Bnet forums from time to time which is where I commonly post. 3. I don't see how "Go ahead and waste your vote" is weird. I'm clearly a town so I don't see why batsnacks would vote for me. 4. I already explained why I worded my first post in my first Mafia game in the way I did. I've obviously seen why that's a bad thing to do (Mafia will find a way to point it out and lynch me) so I'm obviously not going to do that in the future. Is there anything else? 1. I was not saying either way - but Geript is a good mafia player.Is he AFK or uninterested or mafia or both? That's what we're trying to figure out. If you have free time and would like, the TL Mafia Database has a listing of peoples games here and links. 2. I'll rephrase - Boxerfred posted a lot of newbie/dumb questions and skated on this for a few days until people got suspicious of him. It was a ruse. You have read the whole OP (first post) now right? You know what roles CAN be in the game? 3. You just said it again. "I'm clearly a town" - if you say it enough I'll start to believe it? People who keep saying lines like this irk me. "The Most Basic Form of Mind Control is Repetition" 4. Fair enough point, thank you. scott, bottom line is that most of your reasoning is based on the belief that I'll know how others play or how to play. And what I keep saying is that I'm new to online Mafia and don't know how to play or how others play. On June 14 2015 03:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 18:17 ruXxar wrote:
I disagree.
There are 3 Mafia and 2 town roles.
I believe that reducing kill power from 2 to 1 is the single most important factor in us winning the game.
This would buy us so much time that we should have overwhelming odds of winning.
The chance of targeting Carl is very low.
I'm ok with taking the odds of a power role checking Carl if it means we increase our chances of killing mafia. Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position? Also, where are you getting that there are "2 town roles?" I see absolutely nothing that would indicate there are 8 VTs and 2 non-Vanilla Town roles, if that is what you are saying. Sorry for this newbie question which I should have asked earlier but which slipped my mind because I had to do something else. What's a Carl?
3. WIFOM point: 3 hours before noobking was killed, moosy did two posts to say noobking was town. Could be he knew that noobking was going to be confirmed town, and wanted the towncred of listing as town before he died.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 03:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Nah, I think n00bKing's a townie. He's been decent at pressuring people although he's pretty bossy and gives way too much advice. Not to mention his posts are super wordy. Either way, I still think Rels/Sulfurus deserve another look. When Rels comes back, we should ask him to defend himself against Trfel's points. We should be able to get a read on the defense. On June 15 2015 04:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Okay, did a reading of n00bKing and I don't think he's Mafia.
Personality read: Likes to be in control, dislikes change, rather bossy. As can be evidenced in his posts lamenting changes in people's opinion, how he gives so much advice, and how he always tries and tell people what to do. I think his personality is what affects so much of his posting which is why most of it is convoluted and he feels the need to pursue even the trivial. Like really? Arguing with batsnacks over "advice"?
Town read: Very consistent. At the start, yes he floods the thread with advice, but when he starts pressuring people, he remains consistent. It seems that he suspected batsnacks, me, and Plants at the start for our behavior and strange post(s). As the game continues and even to this very point, he has been pressuring me and batsnacks and has remained consistent in doing so.
In fact, this may be his downfall more than most. While it seems that he agrees that Rels/Sulf exhibit suspicious behavior, he still seems intent on finding ways to bring me and batsnacks down per how he read us at the very start of the thread. As for other people's posts, he seems content to question a couple but mostly agree or add on to their posts.
Conclusion: n00bking's filter just shows consistency in what he's been doing. He gets caught in the trivial, he's bossy, and he gave a bit too much advice at the start, but he is definitely a townie that's trying to catch the Mafia.
4. This post where I make the theory that moosy is using noobking's legacy to push his own case, even though it's not the same.
5. He was very wishy washy day 1, and argumented it was his style. Then night 1 and day 2 he changed pretty hardly and is now pushing ruxxar hard for my lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 09:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:14 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 09:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Rels, any comments on my posts? Still confused why you don't think I'm townie. OK sorry in advance, but in my mind it's actually pretty good where you're at. I was so sure you were mafia with your first post that me imagining you at null read is a pretty good deal. When I made this post with the two points I was thinking I was going to destroy you. I think I was clouded by my first impression of you. You won't ever be a town lean in my mind until you either make a case on someone and defend it, or sheep a case on someone and explain why. Not taking stances = I can't judge you 100%. Unfortunately I'm trying to be careful with my vote so it looks like that won't happen anytime soon. -.- At least I'm glad to see you're finally starting to realize I'm a townie. On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary.
Reasons that he could be town:
1. He posts questions to people, but contrary to scott, he follows up with analysis of the answer. He shows a willingness to solve the game, or at least he's faking that willingness.
2. Didn't solely sheep the cases on me, but made his own. OK, the points are not clear, but he worked on it. He even addressed a point nobody else did: the fact that I wasn't that much engaged on a geript's lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 05:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:Okay, I started reading filters and I especially looked at Rels/Sulfurus as people have been implying. I REALLY think they're both Mafia. Rels first comes into the thread and directs all attention to the passive posts from both me and Fake)Plants. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:OK I finally found a mafia. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph. What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points: - He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him. - His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot. Then he tries to switch the case onto me-geript-batsnacks which is the next best scapegoat from a newbie who only posted once and never again. Not only that, but notice how he attempts to bring this under the light while trying to cover for Sulfurus who is beginning to become suspected. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:22 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie. So it sounds like you have been thru the thread. Any other thoughts? I have strong town reads on wos and KS. I have town reads on ruxxar, oats and trfel. I really want to like Sulfu as he had the same attitude of "not posting a lot but ask question" last game, and he was town. But I think he has less than 5 posts atm, that's really not a lot. Everybody I have not talk about I have either no read or mafia lean. It's especially hard on the moosy - geript - bats situation. I don't like moosy for : - his first post - his multiple times stating he is a newbie But geript's reasoning for voting him is super bad. And batsnacks' one is so weird, involving double bus at one point. Well. Here is my brain atm. Then he tries to make a case on me once people tell him me-geript-batsnacks was never a thing. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 08:25 Rels wrote:Fuck I was making a case on you moosy but reading your filter a lot of my points are false. Like I was saying you kept repeating that you were newb. Actually it's not true. I still have two things left in my suspicion of you, so could you please comment on them. First pointYou don't take any stand. Not against me nor anyone else. More than that, a few hours ago, you discussed people you wanted to make a case on but you're still undecided. In particular what is this post: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:44 Kickstart wrote:On June 13 2015 05:42 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote:
~7 hours batty Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me. Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~ What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me. Here's would lynch: 3)MoosyDoosy 4)Sulfurus 7)Fake)Plants 2)batsnacks 3)Trfel here's idk can't form opinion: 6)damdred 1)Rels 4)WaveofShadow 5)geript 5)ruXxar Here's would not lynch: 2)n00bKing 1)Kickstart 6)Oatsmaster HELP Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. I hate that you are giving him targets on the basis of "you only need to convince two guys for those targets". Almost look like you want him to make a case, join him, and push the blame on him later. I also hate this sentence: "Sulfurus looks easiest is you want to make a case." Go make one yourself if you're so confident. Plus, you make this post to the guy voting you. Really, I liked your filter way than expected, but I hate this post. Second pointI find it weird that you say the following: newbie must be on mafia team, because otherwise they would have pushed on my first post. I find it weird that you felt the need to say it, against a super weak attack ("mafia should have pushed this post and didn't so moosy is mafia", more or less). Here are the posts I'm talking about: Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yo, also keep in mind a newbie might be Mafia which is why he's not jumping on my post. Seems like something Mafia should do from reading the guide. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 03:34 geript wrote:
Nah. It'd be pretty odd if there wasn't at least 1 veteran on the mafia team. I'm re-reading posts right now to make a list, but the veteran(s) had to be inactive at the start to not point it out. On the other hand, any newbie might be the Mafia. After this, he leaves the thread for a bit and posts a list of people he suspects in order to pretend to be active. Then WaveofShadow, Oats, and me begin to defend batsnacks whereupon a case begins to form around geript and Sulfurus. Rels decides upon lynching geript and not Sulfurus. Note that before this he is also defending Sulfurus by saying he played the same way in "the previous game". However, batsnacks provided several examples where Sulfurus was providing better critical analysis whereupon Rels is forced to remain quiet. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript As Trfel already pointed out, Rels also does not really seem to support this vote as he already knows who Mafia REALLY is. + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that. Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post. Please answer this post: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:Geript could you expand on two things when you come back ? 1On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. On June 12 2015 10:30 Kickstart wrote:
Because I've had the urge to troll you since I came back to playing mafia Oats. I can't help myself. Don't worry though the 2 scums atm are ruxxar and sulfurus so you are not in my tunnel atm. [...] Oooh Damdred replaced in. That guy's town 100%. ezpz. On June 13 2015 06:41 geript wrote:
Nah. Damdred is 100% town. He's gotten pretty easy to read. It's pretty cool that you can read damdred (= but this game he's impossible for to read atm due to lack of posts. Were you saying that if he's town you're going to know it for sure later ? And do you read damdred town right now ? 2On June 13 2015 06:56 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 06:47 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 06:47 geript wrote:
Wave not making association cases would be far more concerning. Not a fan of trfel Why don't you like Trfel? Not really something something I can put my finger on. Feels I guess. Maybe my impression of his meta is off from his actual meta since I don't think I've played a game with him for a bit. [...] I would be super interested if you took the time to reread Trfel's past game with you and expand on that. If you don't have the time to do that, could you at least try to explain this more ? And from this point, Rels disappears, never addresses Trfel's point and he never really answered any other questions as well. I'm curious to see his response when he comes back although I believe a strong case can be made against both Rels and Sulfurus as a team of Mafia.
3. WOS, one of my town hard read, has a hard read on moosy. Quoted in the spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Moosydoosy
For all of the reasons I've stated previously. Moosy's play has just been extremely consistent with a very new player overall. Yes it is POSSIBLE scum can replicate this, but not without messing up somewhere down the line and certainly not with this level of activity. (The caveat here which might have to be looked into eventually that I find kind of interesting is this 'bait' he pulled off recently. Is a Moosy who is so nooby as to not realize geript flipped town for example, able to pull off a play like that? Food for thought, but not tomorrow.)
At the end of the day, I find that his wishy washiness disappeared a little bit too fast when he started pushing me hard. So I'm not definite he's scum, but if I was at LYLO with him and anyone other than Kickstart and scott, I would lynch him.
Conclusion: Mafia lean
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On June 16 2015 03:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 03:28 Rels wrote:MoosyDoosyI don't really know about him. Will list for what reasons I find him scummy, and what reasons he could be town too. Reasons for me suspecting him: 1. His first post. It's bad, long and weird. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. 2. He refers himself as a newbie several times. Not as much as I thought day 1, but there is still a number of times he does it. In addition, he either dumbtells a few times and didn't read the OP carefully. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 13 2015 03:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 02:43 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 02:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Is this a dumbtell and didn't read the OP? Did he read boxerfred's last game and took all his ideas (Ie I'll act like I'm so newb everybody will just read me over for a few days) On June 13 2015 00:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
What I want to do is find out why geript stopped posting after WaveofShadow had a scumread on him.
@batsnacks, I mean, I'm pretty sure I made it clear I was a town but sure, go ahead and waste your vote. I sure am not seeing this "I made it clear". "Go ahead and waste your vote" is a very interesting way to word a vote on you if you are town. On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
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##vote moosygoosy On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. Making sense? He quoted one post and said talk about this. I like Oat's post about "N00bking" looking townie since didn't stop his advice posting even when people stopped him - that makes a lot of sense. Bats and Geript bussing Moose? looks like the most logical conclusion I see at this time. ## Batsnacks / Geript / MoosyDoosy but that would be too ez. But not liking Batsnacks. Anyone have any questions or want to point out things I may have missed? Ok, let's get this straight. As I said multiple times before, I'm new to TL and online Mafia. Either way, I'll address your points. 1. You say geript is a good Mafia from previous games and he's too obvious here leading to the conclusion he's not Mafia. If that's the case, how would you expect me to know that? I've never played TL Mafia before and never played with geript so I wouldn't know. 2. All I know about boxerfred is from his post here where he said he couldn't play and from his lack of posts. I don't even know what games he was previously in. The only person I know is Trfel who goes on Bnet forums from time to time which is where I commonly post. 3. I don't see how "Go ahead and waste your vote" is weird. I'm clearly a town so I don't see why batsnacks would vote for me. 4. I already explained why I worded my first post in my first Mafia game in the way I did. I've obviously seen why that's a bad thing to do (Mafia will find a way to point it out and lynch me) so I'm obviously not going to do that in the future. Is there anything else? 1. I was not saying either way - but Geript is a good mafia player.Is he AFK or uninterested or mafia or both? That's what we're trying to figure out. If you have free time and would like, the TL Mafia Database has a listing of peoples games here and links. 2. I'll rephrase - Boxerfred posted a lot of newbie/dumb questions and skated on this for a few days until people got suspicious of him. It was a ruse. You have read the whole OP (first post) now right? You know what roles CAN be in the game? 3. You just said it again. "I'm clearly a town" - if you say it enough I'll start to believe it? People who keep saying lines like this irk me. "The Most Basic Form of Mind Control is Repetition" 4. Fair enough point, thank you. scott, bottom line is that most of your reasoning is based on the belief that I'll know how others play or how to play. And what I keep saying is that I'm new to online Mafia and don't know how to play or how others play. On June 14 2015 03:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 18:17 ruXxar wrote:
I disagree.
There are 3 Mafia and 2 town roles.
I believe that reducing kill power from 2 to 1 is the single most important factor in us winning the game.
This would buy us so much time that we should have overwhelming odds of winning.
The chance of targeting Carl is very low.
I'm ok with taking the odds of a power role checking Carl if it means we increase our chances of killing mafia. Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position? Also, where are you getting that there are "2 town roles?" I see absolutely nothing that would indicate there are 8 VTs and 2 non-Vanilla Town roles, if that is what you are saying. Sorry for this newbie question which I should have asked earlier but which slipped my mind because I had to do something else. What's a Carl? 3. WIFOM point: 3 hours before noobking was killed, moosy did two posts to say noobking was town. Could be he knew that noobking was going to be confirmed town, and wanted the towncred of listing as town before he died. + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 03:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Nah, I think n00bKing's a townie. He's been decent at pressuring people although he's pretty bossy and gives way too much advice. Not to mention his posts are super wordy. Either way, I still think Rels/Sulfurus deserve another look. When Rels comes back, we should ask him to defend himself against Trfel's points. We should be able to get a read on the defense. On June 15 2015 04:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Okay, did a reading of n00bKing and I don't think he's Mafia.
Personality read: Likes to be in control, dislikes change, rather bossy. As can be evidenced in his posts lamenting changes in people's opinion, how he gives so much advice, and how he always tries and tell people what to do. I think his personality is what affects so much of his posting which is why most of it is convoluted and he feels the need to pursue even the trivial. Like really? Arguing with batsnacks over "advice"?
Town read: Very consistent. At the start, yes he floods the thread with advice, but when he starts pressuring people, he remains consistent. It seems that he suspected batsnacks, me, and Plants at the start for our behavior and strange post(s). As the game continues and even to this very point, he has been pressuring me and batsnacks and has remained consistent in doing so.
In fact, this may be his downfall more than most. While it seems that he agrees that Rels/Sulf exhibit suspicious behavior, he still seems intent on finding ways to bring me and batsnacks down per how he read us at the very start of the thread. As for other people's posts, he seems content to question a couple but mostly agree or add on to their posts.
Conclusion: n00bking's filter just shows consistency in what he's been doing. He gets caught in the trivial, he's bossy, and he gave a bit too much advice at the start, but he is definitely a townie that's trying to catch the Mafia. 4. This post where I make the theory that moosy is using noobking's legacy to push his own case, even though it's not the same. 5. He was very wishy washy day 1, and argumented it was his style. Then night 1 and day 2 he changed pretty hardly and is now pushing ruxxar hard for my lynch. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 09:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:14 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 09:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Rels, any comments on my posts? Still confused why you don't think I'm townie. OK sorry in advance, but in my mind it's actually pretty good where you're at. I was so sure you were mafia with your first post that me imagining you at null read is a pretty good deal. When I made this post with the two points I was thinking I was going to destroy you. I think I was clouded by my first impression of you. You won't ever be a town lean in my mind until you either make a case on someone and defend it, or sheep a case on someone and explain why. Not taking stances = I can't judge you 100%. Unfortunately I'm trying to be careful with my vote so it looks like that won't happen anytime soon. -.- At least I'm glad to see you're finally starting to realize I'm a townie. On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. Reasons that he could be town: 1. He posts questions to people, but contrary to scott, he follows up with analysis of the answer. He shows a willingness to solve the game, or at least he's faking that willingness. 2. Didn't solely sheep the cases on me, but made his own. OK, the points are not clear, but he worked on it. He even addressed a point nobody else did: the fact that I wasn't that much engaged on a geript's lynch. + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 05:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:Okay, I started reading filters and I especially looked at Rels/Sulfurus as people have been implying. I REALLY think they're both Mafia. Rels first comes into the thread and directs all attention to the passive posts from both me and Fake)Plants. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:OK I finally found a mafia. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph. What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points: - He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him. - His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot. Then he tries to switch the case onto me-geript-batsnacks which is the next best scapegoat from a newbie who only posted once and never again. Not only that, but notice how he attempts to bring this under the light while trying to cover for Sulfurus who is beginning to become suspected. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:22 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie. So it sounds like you have been thru the thread. Any other thoughts? I have strong town reads on wos and KS. I have town reads on ruxxar, oats and trfel. I really want to like Sulfu as he had the same attitude of "not posting a lot but ask question" last game, and he was town. But I think he has less than 5 posts atm, that's really not a lot. Everybody I have not talk about I have either no read or mafia lean. It's especially hard on the moosy - geript - bats situation. I don't like moosy for : - his first post - his multiple times stating he is a newbie But geript's reasoning for voting him is super bad. And batsnacks' one is so weird, involving double bus at one point. Well. Here is my brain atm. Then he tries to make a case on me once people tell him me-geript-batsnacks was never a thing. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 08:25 Rels wrote:Fuck I was making a case on you moosy but reading your filter a lot of my points are false. Like I was saying you kept repeating that you were newb. Actually it's not true. I still have two things left in my suspicion of you, so could you please comment on them. First pointYou don't take any stand. Not against me nor anyone else. More than that, a few hours ago, you discussed people you wanted to make a case on but you're still undecided. In particular what is this post: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:44 Kickstart wrote:On June 13 2015 05:42 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote:
~7 hours batty Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me. Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~ What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me. Here's would lynch: 3)MoosyDoosy 4)Sulfurus 7)Fake)Plants 2)batsnacks 3)Trfel here's idk can't form opinion: 6)damdred 1)Rels 4)WaveofShadow 5)geript 5)ruXxar Here's would not lynch: 2)n00bKing 1)Kickstart 6)Oatsmaster HELP Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. I hate that you are giving him targets on the basis of "you only need to convince two guys for those targets". Almost look like you want him to make a case, join him, and push the blame on him later. I also hate this sentence: "Sulfurus looks easiest is you want to make a case." Go make one yourself if you're so confident. Plus, you make this post to the guy voting you. Really, I liked your filter way than expected, but I hate this post. Second pointI find it weird that you say the following: newbie must be on mafia team, because otherwise they would have pushed on my first post. I find it weird that you felt the need to say it, against a super weak attack ("mafia should have pushed this post and didn't so moosy is mafia", more or less). Here are the posts I'm talking about: Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yo, also keep in mind a newbie might be Mafia which is why he's not jumping on my post. Seems like something Mafia should do from reading the guide. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 03:34 geript wrote:
Nah. It'd be pretty odd if there wasn't at least 1 veteran on the mafia team. I'm re-reading posts right now to make a list, but the veteran(s) had to be inactive at the start to not point it out. On the other hand, any newbie might be the Mafia. After this, he leaves the thread for a bit and posts a list of people he suspects in order to pretend to be active. Then WaveofShadow, Oats, and me begin to defend batsnacks whereupon a case begins to form around geript and Sulfurus. Rels decides upon lynching geript and not Sulfurus. Note that before this he is also defending Sulfurus by saying he played the same way in "the previous game". However, batsnacks provided several examples where Sulfurus was providing better critical analysis whereupon Rels is forced to remain quiet. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript As Trfel already pointed out, Rels also does not really seem to support this vote as he already knows who Mafia REALLY is. + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that. Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post. Please answer this post: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:Geript could you expand on two things when you come back ? 1On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. On June 12 2015 10:30 Kickstart wrote:
Because I've had the urge to troll you since I came back to playing mafia Oats. I can't help myself. Don't worry though the 2 scums atm are ruxxar and sulfurus so you are not in my tunnel atm. [...] Oooh Damdred replaced in. That guy's town 100%. ezpz. On June 13 2015 06:41 geript wrote:
Nah. Damdred is 100% town. He's gotten pretty easy to read. It's pretty cool that you can read damdred (= but this game he's impossible for to read atm due to lack of posts. Were you saying that if he's town you're going to know it for sure later ? And do you read damdred town right now ? 2On June 13 2015 06:56 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 06:47 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 06:47 geript wrote:
Wave not making association cases would be far more concerning. Not a fan of trfel Why don't you like Trfel? Not really something something I can put my finger on. Feels I guess. Maybe my impression of his meta is off from his actual meta since I don't think I've played a game with him for a bit. [...] I would be super interested if you took the time to reread Trfel's past game with you and expand on that. If you don't have the time to do that, could you at least try to explain this more ? And from this point, Rels disappears, never addresses Trfel's point and he never really answered any other questions as well. I'm curious to see his response when he comes back although I believe a strong case can be made against both Rels and Sulfurus as a team of Mafia. 3. WOS, one of my town hard read, has a hard read on moosy. Quoted in the spoiler. + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Moosydoosy
For all of the reasons I've stated previously. Moosy's play has just been extremely consistent with a very new player overall. Yes it is POSSIBLE scum can replicate this, but not without messing up somewhere down the line and certainly not with this level of activity. (The caveat here which might have to be looked into eventually that I find kind of interesting is this 'bait' he pulled off recently. Is a Moosy who is so nooby as to not realize geript flipped town for example, able to pull off a play like that? Food for thought, but not tomorrow.)
At the end of the day, I find that his wishy washiness disappeared a little bit too fast when he started pushing me hard. So I'm not definite he's scum, but if I was at LYLO with him and anyone other than Kickstart and scott, I would lynch him. Conclusion: Mafia lean 1. Newbie post. I know you hate me saying it, but it is a newbie post. As a note, I was interested in finding out their perspectives which is why I asked. I would understand if it was a completely empty and passive post, but I was trying to get in on the conversation, and it's enough that you keep harping on it after this long. 2. I was attempting to help my fellow newbies escape a mislynch based on their first posts like you seem intent on doing with my first post. 3. Someone said that we should look at n00bKing which the first quote was a response to. That someone (I think Damdred?) then asked for reasoning which I provided with second quote. So it wasn't me trying to associate with n00bKing but me answering someone's questions and replying to that someone. 4. Yeh, that's already refuted because I felt it was safer to assume that the person with more cases against him was Mafia. 5. I figured it was time to take movement. I'm still a passive player, but you can still see hints of that aggression in my defense in Day 1. I was also uncertain if ruXxar was a Mafia or not which is what I was pressuring him for. I wasn't pressuring him to lynch you two (he said he would, but backed out of it just as fast) but I was trying to see if I could get a slip to know if he's Mafia or not. I'm still not sure about it, but his defense was terrible and he ran away at the end. Does that answer your points or would you like specifics?
Point 1, 2 and 4, you're going to say that even if you're mafia, so your answers don't solve nor aggravate the points. By themselves they don't make you hard scum, they just make me suspicious of you.
Point 3, I'll check, if you're right then this point is null.
Point 5, I'll see how you evolved as the day goes on.
On June 16 2015 03:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:Also Rels I'd like you to take a look at this. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol also this moosy vs ruxxar business.
I gotta say moosy you're scaring me a little because if I'm going to get burned by one of you it looks like you'd be the one. I can visibly see you improving in the middle of this game and part of me wonders if it's because you were sandbagging all along. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 11:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol also this moosy vs ruxxar business.
I gotta say moosy you're scaring me a little because if I'm going to get burned by one of you it looks like you'd be the one. I can visibly see you improving in the middle of this game and part of me wonders if it's because you were sandbagging all along. ^.^ Nah. idk if you'll necessarily trust me since this is a game of Mafia, but I'm not scum. Either way, thanks for the compliment. The only reason why I've been improving this much is because I have a whole host of role models and examples in this thread to look at.
That's NAI but touching (= whatever your alignment I can see you're improving and having fun, so it's pretty cool.
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Alright it's GOT time (= I'll be back later to finish what I promised, namely the 3 filter analysis left. Take care everyone.
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On June 16 2015 04:08 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 00:19 Rels wrote:scott31337I think scott is mafia for these reasons 1. You knew it was coming (= scott's predecessor, plants, had only one post, and that post was super bad. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Show nested quote +Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:OK I finally found a mafia. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph. What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points: - He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him. - His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot. 2. scott hoped on the "lynch Rels" train too easily for my taste. His only arguments were "Trfel's case is good" and "he didn't answer my question". Furthermore, the Trfel's case he's sheeping is not the initial one but a super bad one. Even noobking said so. See here for more info on case. In spoiler you'll find the evolution of scott's read on me. That's fair - You have looked a bit better in the last few pages - It's appreciated. I was ready to lynch you. I haven't read anything on KS either since this post. The thing I'm not liking is how you try to convince Sulf is town. We will figure this out. His wall of text sounded convincing, and yes, I did see N00b actually wanted Sulf lynched first. Look what happened?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. On June 13 2015 06:56 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town?
I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more. On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.
I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.
He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added) So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny? On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.
You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player. This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early. ##unvoteOn June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!
I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon. I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic. On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this? On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town. I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him. I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content. On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is... Clearly that guy is 3P. I don't know what 3P means either. Third party. Let me rephrase this since I see what you are saying but I didn't type that properly. Rels made a case on my replacement slot that he believed in, and caught Plants in a "lie" - I saw him a slight town read for believing in his case. I meant more of (even if he is calling out my replacement slot). On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. What the fuck is that thing. Say how we played differently or don't say anything at all. His next post is how he changed his reads on me. Just sheep the Trfel. Easy no effort would do again. On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! On June 15 2015 03:55 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 02:33 batsnacks wrote:On June 15 2015 02:26 n00bKing wrote:On June 15 2015 02:05 batsnacks wrote:
n00bking you read a lot of newbie mafia X right? Who would you say your play style this game most closely resembles in that game? That's a very unusual question. I guess I hadn't thought about it. Without going back to look at that thread, I guess I would say my play in this game is a closest match for...Rels, in that game? I remember often thinking that Breschke and Barakos were saying things that made me think they were Town. But they weren't always saying things that I had myself been thinking before they posted it. Rels was. (P.S. I still can't believe you guys lynched Bill Murray over ninjabunnies. I was almost yelling at the screen, toward the end of that Phase. lol) BM was a fine lynch he didn't do anything to prevent it and we had a green check on bunnies. Your posting this game is very similar to boxerfred. He spent tons of effort speculating about roles instead of focusing on finding mafia and we all just gave him a pass because he was new and at least he was posting a lot. I don't know if he read the mafia QT either, but it was all a ruse to get newbtowncred. This brings up a very good point. So even in my question to rels (who has not answered yet) Sulfurus still hasn't posted anything. All there is are a couple posts on lynch Trfel (who I townread and is mostly townread at this time) so I'm doubtful this is going to happen. - so make a case or try again. I'm down for a Sulf or a Rels lynch. Where I'm at - BS looks- okay? even if we was incorrect Damdred is trying to solve the game WoS and Trfel are up there as well, I like WoS list post. Oats has a little defensive attitude, but slight town also Kickstart just feels so much more different then his last game as town which makes me wonder about him n00bking is a slight town read but a lot of wordy fluff in his posts Moosy I'm still a toss up on Ruxxar - His bluehunting was terrible. I want to smack him in the head with a trout. Donkey town? On June 15 2015 07:09 scott31337 wrote:
What an awesome post, n00b. I haven't felt good about Sulf or Rels, and Rels didn't reply to anything, just went to sleep.
##Vote Rels On June 15 2015 13:08 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 15 2015 12:03 scott31337 wrote:On June 15 2015 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): RelsGeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruxxar, Scott Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript, scott11331373737373771317371373Not Voting (0):K so to begin with, Rels and Oats are the first two on. Circumstances: Rels - came up with sorta-novel reasons to vote Geript once I was already off of him. This is probably actually a point in his favour overall as it was probably easier to do so while I was on him (though then again maybe it's just because he wasn't on while all my shit with him was going down? meh. He also asks me why I stopped voting him) The vote itself isn't bad is what I'm saying here. Oats - Just switched on to him with no exposition as I mentioned earlier. When asked his response was: On June 14 2015 10:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHat you want wave?
Geript flipped town. Sucks. Move on.
If you are asking why Geript as opposed to other people, basically what I explained earlier. He didn't post before I slept so yeah, that's where my read was. On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.
Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.
This is believable actually, and he had a good reason to switch I suppose, I just didn't bother to look back initially when accusing him. This also fits with his 'more-likely-townplay' of switching reads around constantly. Now comes the shitstorm. I'm fine with Bat's vote so I'm not going to bother here. Important to note though that he already has 3 people on him when Bats votes so scum can now see this is as a likely mislynch. Trfel - First to jump on the wake of Bat's 'discovery.' Eh. On looking through I thought he was on Rels all day and then dropped his amazing case instantly in favor of even after this post: On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels But he was onto batsnacks as well at one point. It does kinda look as though he almost doesn't believe his own case at times because of his initial dropoff from Rels onto bats, then as bats lost ground back onto rels again and onto Geript. He does put a LOT of effort into his rels push when he is on him though so at the same time it seems doubtful that this is a half-assed push where he was just looking for an out. Not sold either on this one. Also liked his activity around the lynch and his first post after flip. Damdred - This is it. On June 14 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Bats...I am so proud of you Interested to hear what bats himself thinks here of the people who sheeped him actually. I take it you were too excited it about your lynch at the time to see all of this going down? Moosy - Fine with him. Has a monster filter, constant discussion of the lynch while it was going down. Ruxxar - Ah, I remember pointing this one out before. On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Wow bats... I'm speechless. I had you and geript as my top two scum. I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard. You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes. I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript. ##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript I also remember not liking his post after the flip. Just looks like he's making more excuses and feigning... something.Ugh I know I've been calling him town due to the moosy business but the more I watch those two the more I think SOMETHING has to be going on here. Ruxxar more likely scum than moosy by a huge factor. Scott - Actually just ninjavoted. Didn't even say a thing about Geript. That's interesting. Ballsy for scum but apparently nobody picked up on it so far? Personally thinking Damdred and Ruxxar come out looking the worst on geript train analysis. Both jump on after the train has begun to gather steam and help to push it past the crucial point (Damdred more so than even Ruxxar) But ruxxar's posting around it was pretty terrible while Damdred's is minimal and while not great, I COULD just see it coming from non-self-conscious town. I'm kind of glad I did, when I came back to the thread the flip was already there. I could've got modkilled for failure to vote with the hour earlier confusion. Batsnacks case made sense at the time and I sheeped it. was there any reason you didnt feel a need to post in the thread around that time? Who are your scumreads now? I did but indirectly. The flipped already happened - I went to re-evaluate. Rels / Sulf / KS - I have asked multiple questions to Rels and he could care less answering mine or the others. Sulf's filter as I've said before has a couple posts and then goes after Trfel KS would be the least of the three, but his game is so much different then last game and he was town. 3. Small filter, that can be explained by the fact that he replaced in. But in his small filters, there is a lot of fluff. I'll work on this, no worries.+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 06:22 scott31337 wrote:
I'm around if you have any questions. On June 13 2015 08:04 scott31337 wrote:
Rels I think you're required to revote after a replacement. On June 14 2015 05:39 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 05:18 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 04:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 04:40 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 04:13 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:
Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position?
Knowing that there is only 1 kp, then i believe there is a case both for and against the PGO to reveal himself. Here are my scenarios for and against : For: The PGO is a weak town player that might get cop checked. The PGO is one of the strongest town players and likely to be targeted by the medic. Against: A semi strong town player is the PGO, but he's not the strongest. Medic will most likely protect the perceived strongest town player. The mafia knowing this will go for some of the second strongest targets they know probably won't be saved by the medic. In this case it's beneficial for the PGO to not reveal himself. That's pretty interesting, considering you had just said this: ruXxar wrote: After reducing kill power to 1 I would agree that Carl revealing himself is a good play. In my first post I was just taking into consideration that mafia with 1 kp perform 1 target action per night and that town has 2 with cop and medic. It wasn't until my last post that i thought about it more deeply and tried to figure out the real scenarios. I'm also not used to mafia with more roles than mafia, cop, medic, vigilante and town. A lot of my thinking right now is automatically based around just having those roles in the game, since that's what i've had the most exposure to. I'm trying to rectify this. You're moving in the opposite direction of what would make sense, though. You assumed the Town had only Cop and Doctor. And said that once the Mafia was down to 1kp, it makes sense for Carl to claim. Now, nevermind the fact that a discussion OF the Carl role ALREADY destroys your notion that the Town only has Cop and Doctor as its non-vanilla roles. When you add in Dr. Weird and Frylock as additional Town roles that could be killed by Carl (both of which would kill Carl at the same time!) it becomes way MORE obvious that Carl needs to claim. Instead, when you thought about it more, you start to see a case for and against him claiming? That doesn't make any sense. Please make sense. My scenarios make sense in the isolated scope i presented. I'm trying to make sense of the role listed posted on the first page but it's confusing me. scum team - "Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday"
context: + Show Spoiler +
Roleblocker - Cybernectic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future:
Every night, you may choose a player to roleblock, which will prevent them from performing actions and visits that night. The roleblocked player will be notified, even if s/he is vanilla. + Show Spoiler +
Rolecop -Happy Time Harry:
Every night you may choose a player to role check. You will get a result saying what role they have.+ Show Spoiler +
Godfather - Ignignokt the mooninite:
You return "town" to cop checks, as though you were a vanilla townie. + Show Spoiler +
Vigilante - rabbot:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. + Show Spoiler +
Goon - plutionian (Emory and Ogelthorpe) + Show Spoiler +
Town
Mad Hatter - Dr. Weird:
You have 1 bomb. At night you can place that bomb on another player, or move the bomb. When you die, the bomb blows up killing them. If your target is lynched, your bomb is lost. If your target is shot, the bomb is returned to you. You win with the town.+ Show Spoiler +
Cop - Allen (Alien):
Each night phase, you may choose a player to investigate. You will visit the player and receive "Town" or "Anti-town" as a result. Your results are guaranteed to be accurate. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
Veteran - Master Shake:
You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
Vigilante - frylock:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. You win with the town.
+ Show Spoiler +
Paranoid Gun Owner - Carl:
The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets it during the Night. You win with town.+ Show Spoiler +
Doctor - Neil:
Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to protect. You will visit the player, and if the mafia attempt to kill a player you are protecting on the same night, the kill will fail. Neither you nor the target will be notified if you prevent a kill. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
VT - Meatwad piece + Show Spoiler +
According to this, it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles: Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon. Or does it mean that there are 3 mafia PLUS possibly 5 other roles that are not mafia, but win when mafia wins? Please help me understand. Your first sentence is correct - "it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles: Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon." and It's usually going to be two roles and a goon, and one will probably be a roleblocker. But the hosts could have some crazy setup as well, you never know, this is just based on past TL mafia games. On June 15 2015 06:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 05:50 ruXxar wrote:
Here's some food for thought.
So far we have scum reads on 2 mafia, Rels and Sulfu.
Both are newbies.
How likely do you think that all 3 mafia are in the newbie group?
Would it not make sense that at least 1 mafia is part of the veteran group?
People who have played previous newbie games, what is usually the distribution of mafia on newbie/veteran side? In theory it's RNG. IX was all newbies until Holyflare replaced in. 4. Even more troubling than small filters with fluff posts, scott has a lot of his posts asking question. And he never did anything with the answer he got. Seriously, if scott asked you a question, look if he did anything with his answer. I didn't have anything to reply, they answered their questions to my satisfaction, when they did. Is your question I asked you in here? Nope.
Did Oats ever respond to my question? Nope - but I'm fine with that, I think he was just trying for a reaction. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 02:13 scott31337 wrote:
You have three votes Bats, how do you feel about those people? (N00b, ruxxar, Oats) On June 13 2015 07:22 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie. So it sounds like you have been thru the thread. Any other thoughts? On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats? On June 13 2015 14:45 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 14:12 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats? What about batsnacks' posting is towny? Self-meta? A lot of his posting recently- for an example Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:37 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:34 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:26 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote:
I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?
Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet. Okay. Well nope, I continue to agree with you that you're a reasonably good lynch target for Day 1. Also, you're aware that the player you're voting against now was not anywhere on your "would lynch" list, an hour ago? Trfel really turned your whole world upside down that quickly? Yes he did Trfel makes awesome cases. Also I made that list before I started reading filters. If you follow the thread you can verify that. Do you think this is just a pocket or he is mafia? On June 14 2015 09:49 scott31337 wrote:I want to re-read Sulf and Rels again among others. What would your reasons for this be? 5. That list post without any explanation. After I asked, he gave some one liners to explain each scum leans he has. His scum lean on ruxxar is not explained, given that he stated that he has a town lean on him before. I wanted to let the town know how I was feeling at that time - so this makes me scummy? I don't see where you are going from this. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar On June 13 2015 08:58 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. Could you comment on this list post of yours: On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar Could you please add justifications for the "could lynch" nominees ? Batsnacks - Been on the wagon most of the day and play is different then his normal town. His last few posts have been slightly better though so that's why I haven't voted him yet. Geript - Hasn't taken much of a stance - his list post wasn't that great - He's a good mafia player but really has a IDGAF mode this game so far. MoosyDoosy - pretty down the line middle - the "Sulfurus is the easiest to make a case" post, "wishy-washy" Sulfurus - has like four posts - unsure if he's legit AFK/IRL or just shitting the bed - and none of them were that great, and quick start vote. Probably leaning the most ATM RuXxar-3/4's of his thread is about liars and and the rest is pretty blah - Hopefully he'll show up tonight. Before this list post, here is the only time he gives his opinion on ruxxar: On June 13 2015 02:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town. This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read 6. This post. This is such a bad post. Either you say what's different or you don't say anything at all. I wanted to make it a point, but because your name is included and probably the reason you commented on it - I'll elaborate. KS had a lot of critical analysis, was being mostly scumread and I read him as town because I saw it in him. It feels the opposite this game. It's ongoing so I won't get any more into it at this time.
Although I got lynched - you were a lot different in that game on your D1. You are starting to show parts of that game now, unlike KS.+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. 7. Voted geript 40 minutes before the deadline, without ever referencing him before. In his lynch list, Sulfu was the scummier. Two hours before EOD, he said he would lynch me over Sulfu. I don't even know when the fucking deadline was, including the rest. There's a post on this already - I'd probably be modkilled if I didn't vote. Batsnacks's case look like he believed in it, BS looked townie, I believed in it and sheeped it. Oats thinks to do this would be ballsy as mafia - and I would agree - you think it's reason in a case. hmmm.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! Here is his explanation for that: On June 15 2015 12:03 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): RelsGeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruxxar, Scott Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript, scott11331373737373771317371373Not Voting (0):K so to begin with, Rels and Oats are the first two on. Circumstances: Rels - came up with sorta-novel reasons to vote Geript once I was already off of him. This is probably actually a point in his favour overall as it was probably easier to do so while I was on him (though then again maybe it's just because he wasn't on while all my shit with him was going down? meh. He also asks me why I stopped voting him) The vote itself isn't bad is what I'm saying here. Oats - Just switched on to him with no exposition as I mentioned earlier. When asked his response was: On June 14 2015 10:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHat you want wave?
Geript flipped town. Sucks. Move on.
If you are asking why Geript as opposed to other people, basically what I explained earlier. He didn't post before I slept so yeah, that's where my read was. On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.
Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.
This is believable actually, and he had a good reason to switch I suppose, I just didn't bother to look back initially when accusing him. This also fits with his 'more-likely-townplay' of switching reads around constantly. Now comes the shitstorm. I'm fine with Bat's vote so I'm not going to bother here. Important to note though that he already has 3 people on him when Bats votes so scum can now see this is as a likely mislynch. Trfel - First to jump on the wake of Bat's 'discovery.' Eh. On looking through I thought he was on Rels all day and then dropped his amazing case instantly in favor of even after this post: On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels But he was onto batsnacks as well at one point. It does kinda look as though he almost doesn't believe his own case at times because of his initial dropoff from Rels onto bats, then as bats lost ground back onto rels again and onto Geript. He does put a LOT of effort into his rels push when he is on him though so at the same time it seems doubtful that this is a half-assed push where he was just looking for an out. Not sold either on this one. Also liked his activity around the lynch and his first post after flip. Damdred - This is it. On June 14 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Bats...I am so proud of you Interested to hear what bats himself thinks here of the people who sheeped him actually. I take it you were too excited it about your lynch at the time to see all of this going down? Moosy - Fine with him. Has a monster filter, constant discussion of the lynch while it was going down. Ruxxar - Ah, I remember pointing this one out before. On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Wow bats... I'm speechless. I had you and geript as my top two scum. I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard. You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes. I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript. ##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript I also remember not liking his post after the flip. Just looks like he's making more excuses and feigning... something.Ugh I know I've been calling him town due to the moosy business but the more I watch those two the more I think SOMETHING has to be going on here. Ruxxar more likely scum than moosy by a huge factor. Scott - Actually just ninjavoted. Didn't even say a thing about Geript. That's interesting. Ballsy for scum but apparently nobody picked up on it so far? Personally thinking Damdred and Ruxxar come out looking the worst on geript train analysis. Both jump on after the train has begun to gather steam and help to push it past the crucial point (Damdred more so than even Ruxxar) But ruxxar's posting around it was pretty terrible while Damdred's is minimal and while not great, I COULD just see it coming from non-self-conscious town. I'm kind of glad I did, when I came back to the thread the flip was already there. I could've got modkilled for failure to vote with the hour earlier confusion. Batsnacks case made sense at the time and I sheeped it. 8. This post were I put the theory of moosy and scott being mafia for acclaiming noobking's super play, but not following his last will. This is kinda weak on its own, but in addition to the other points that theory makes sense. Conclusion: Mafia So I put the replies in bold above, just so they aren't missed, people have been before. You have put a lot of effort in to your thoughts - espically how you have the same thoughts on Kickstart. Let me finish reading the thread. ##Unvote
Reading your answers, I see that points 3, 4 and 5 of my case were super weak, so I'll discard them from my mind. I'll discard point 6 too 'cause you explained it.
The 4 other points still stand.
plants' first post is bad, you can't do anything about it.
You jumped on my wagon on a weak case - to me you're the second most opportunistic guy to jump on my train, the first being Kickstarter.
You have a good explanation for your last minute vote on geript afterwards, but as we cannot know if that's true that's moot. Your vote is still opportunistic.
And you praised noobking's last will but didn't follow it.
You answered well to the case. To me you're still the second most likely mafia, but I would lynch KS over you at the moment.
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On June 16 2015 05:32 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:31 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've already said I haven't read much of Rels' posts.
Top scum is still absolutely Sulf. If the only reason to not lynch him is because 'oh well he did this shit in another game,' then that's not nearly enough.
Not much else has changed to be honest, other than the fact that I'd probably bump Rels up on my list to that muddle of 'null' players.
Other two are more than likely amongst Damdred/you(ruxxar)/Rels/Scott/Kickstart. I think Oats re-gets a townread for feels and you move down slightly because I dunno how you could be voting moosy and calling Sulf town without some shenanigans going on. And why won't you read rels posts?!.... As a town it's your duty to stay informed so you can make a judgement based on as much information as possible. Because they're long, boring, and mostly useless clearly. Can you explain to me what makes them particularly important in the grand scheme of things?
You're right you shouldn't read my defense posts if I'm not your lynch target. They're useless by themselves.
You should read the cases I made on the other people though, and reply to them with what you agree and disagree. They're not very long.
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Alright it's getting late so the last filters are gonna be rushed.
batsnacks
I have no idea. He could be town because:
1. meta. I'll quote my post in spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:I went through batsnacks past games and I have two things to share with you all. First thingShow nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:39 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 09:34 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:
Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions. Yeah you're totally wrong and that is points against you. The only time I posted nonsense that game was at night and that's because I was the cop and did not want to get killed. Definitely not true. I expect he is talking about this steaming pile here, which was posted early in Day 1, and not at night: batsnacks wrote:
above is THE JOYOUS, LAKE
below is KEEPING STILL, MOUNTAIN
Influence. Success.
When a weak element is above (the lake) and a strong element is below (the mountain), their powers attract each other so that they unite. This brings about success, for all success depends on the effect of mutual attraction
Perseverance furthers.
By keeping still within while experiencing joy without, one can prevent the joy from going to excess and hold it within proper bounds. This is the meaning of, "Perseverance furthers."
To take a maiden to wife brings good fortune
Heaven and earth attract each other and thus all creatures come into being. From the attractions they exert we can learn the nature of all beings in heaven and on earth.
A lake on the mountain:
The image of influence.
Thus the superior man encourages people to approach him
By his readiness to receive them.
A mountain with a lake on its summit is stimulated by the moisture from the lake. It has this advantage because its summit does not jut out as a peak but is sunken. The image counsels that the mind should be kept humble and free, so that it may remain receptive to good advice. People soon give up counseling a man who thinks that he knows everything better than anyone else.
The influence shows itself in the calves of the legs.
Misfortune.
Tarrying brings good fortune.
In movement, the calf of the leg follows the foot; by itself it can neither go forward nor stand still. Since the movement is not self-governed, it bodes ill. One should wait quietly until one is impelled to action by a real influence. Then one remains uninjured. Your philosophical post about danger in this game looks a bit like a forced attempt to duplicate the same kind of nonsense you kicked off the last game with (since it was very recent, and people will remember you were Town). Meanwhile, you never answered my question about approximately how many times you've been assigned a scum role in these games. [...] Also I only provide iching commentary when I'm town so I thank you for bringing this up. That's true. I found 3 games where I did something similar, all of them town. Posts in spoiler if you're curious. + Show Spoiler +Second thingShow nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:23 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 08:18 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote:
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.
Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.
Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta. Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried? Last time I tried was the Ver game and I was right. I have learned a thing or two since my first game of mafia ever, thank you very much. You don't have to believe this is my normal town meta because it's not, but you can't believe my scum meta is to post this much. I am a 1 page per day scum poster not a post more than anyone else scum poster. That's not as extreme as he's saying, but it is true. In particular, look at the size of the filters of these two games. In both he got lynched D1. Can you guess in which one he was scum ? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474082-imperial-mafia?user=batsnackshttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469267-fantasy-football-mafia-mini-2?user=batsnacksIf you don't wanna play the guessing game: he has two times more post in the first game, where he was town. ConclusionBy meta I don't think BS is mafia this game. ##Unvote
2. The two cases he did were pretty good I felt. I mean, there were on geript and me, so they were wrong; but the cases themselves were good, exploiting contradiction each time.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. On June 15 2015 05:12 batsnacks wrote:Alright Rels is mafia. His read progression on sulfurus goes like this: - First I voted sulfurus for voting me opportunistically. Rels responds to me saying that if it were anyone but sulfurus then he would consider this scummy, but since sulfurus voted opportunistically last game then it is not scummy.
Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically.
But Sulfu played exactly like that last game.
- Rels posts a list post where sulfurus is a town lean.
- Rels repeats that if anyone but sulfurus had voted me the way that sulfurus did, he would consider it scummy. However since sulfurus voted SL and Breshke opportunistically last game as town, then he is not scum reading sulfurus for it.
Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yeah I would have agreed if someone else voted you like that. But Sulfu did that day 1 last game. On Breshke and SL.
- Rels suddenly says he is suspicious of sulfurus for voting opportunistically, directly contradicting two posts he made earlier explaining that sulfurus voting opportunistically does not make him mafia since he did the same thing in his last game.
Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +No idea who I want to lynch. Two of my three town reads are voting sulfurus. I'm suspicious of Sulfu for two reasons:
- The "case" on KS on his first post doesn't exist
- The vote on BS is opportunist
- Rels votes geript and says if the wagon on geript doesn't go anywhere, that he will be switching to sulfurus.
Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript
Chronological order: + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.
##unvote
##vote Sulfurus If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically.But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. On June 13 2015 09:07 Rels wrote:
Town lean
Trfel
Sulfu
Oats
ruxxar
On June 13 2015 09:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:07 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.
##unvote
##vote Sulfurus If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically. But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. And I don't think he misreprented your plays. Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions. You just voted me for saying something you agree with!!! Yeah I would have agreed if someone else voted you like that. But Sulfu did that day 1 last game. On Breshke and SL. On June 13 2015 18:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did you see the quality of those posts though. Cause in this game, there is quantity but practically no quality. I agree. But quality is not the reason I'm unvoting him. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think it's pretty unlikely we have a PGO.
Hey rels, what made you look through bats last few games?
Also, who do you want to lynch now? No idea who I want to lynch. Two of my three town reads are voting sulfurus. I'm suspicious of Sulfu for two reasons: - The "case" on KS on his first post doesn't exist - The vote on BS is opportunist On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript
3. Damdred's post about him being town.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
Yeah bats is a completely stupid lynch, here. (Never use this again bats is to smart a player)
If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up.
1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts.
In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread.
2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point.
Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out.
3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught.
He's not doing this here.
Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads.
Leave the bats alone
BUT
There is a lot of things that could be wrong with him. They are:
1. The only two cases he made were wrong. In fact, I liked his case on me, but noobking didn't like it at all.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read. You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum. This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost.
2. 90% of his posts are not scumhunting. I think everybody agrees to that. Here is some posts from noobking and oats in the subject:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:16 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 21:51 batsnacks wrote:
That isn't a scum read. That is me being concerned that ruxxar and n00b are making mistakes that could cost town the game. They should have a dialog with me before the lynch because I'm town and I can convince them I'm town, or at the very least not the best lynch today. Okay? We're waiting. Let's have a dialogue. Convince me that you're Town. Again, I was very excited to see you follow through on your promise to destroy the thread, if you stayed in the vote lead. And the scummiest thing Rels has done this entire game is panic after that promise, and start reading your posts in other games so that he could manufacture a flimsy excuse to move his vote off of you. As a Town player, I couldn't WAIT for you to blow up the thread. But if I were scum, that idea might be pretty concerning to me. And I might try to figure out a way to get you out of the vote lead, so you'll shut up. Show nested quote +batsnacks wrote:
I completely disagree that most of what I've posted is useless I think I have easily contributed more to this game than anyone else Clicking the "Post" button a bunch of times does not mean you are making worthwhile contributions. You keep yapping about your long filter, but NOTHING kicks, fights, bites and screams more than a mafia player that is in vote trouble without there being concrete evidence behind it. Staring down the noose MIGHT spur an inactive Town player into action, but not nearly as much (or as consistently) as it spurs mafia players into action. You talk like people are voting against you only because of your poor open, but that they aren't reassessing bases on the posts you've made since. I've read every post you've made. There isn't anything that counteracts your poor open. You've been told this by multiple players already, so it's not like I am blind to what those others see. On June 13 2015 18:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did you see the quality of those posts though. Cause in this game, there is quantity but practically no quality.
3. Meta is not that decisive on judging people. Trfel made me think twice about it here:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 03:12 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 16:20 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 15:22 Trfel wrote:
There is some scum motivation not to do that, but there's a lot more scum motivation TO do it. A whole lot more than the town motivation, anyway. Please explain further. What is the scum motivation to do that? It makes him look active, and makes him look like he's doing stuff. Posts without purpose. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 16:20 n00bKing wrote:
Rels? Dunno, man. He looks a lot to me like he did in Newbie X, when he was Town. But some of the veterans in this game are seeing stuff from him they don't like. I'm not ready to try and pass judgment on Rels, I'll just have to keep watching him. Hm, okay, I'll take a look at that game then.
Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I went through batsnacks past games and I have two things to share with you all. First thingOn June 13 2015 09:39 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:34 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:
Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions. Yeah you're totally wrong and that is points against you. The only time I posted nonsense that game was at night and that's because I was the cop and did not want to get killed. Definitely not true. I expect he is talking about this steaming pile here, which was posted early in Day 1, and not at night: batsnacks wrote:
above is THE JOYOUS, LAKE
below is KEEPING STILL, MOUNTAIN
Influence. Success.
When a weak element is above (the lake) and a strong element is below (the mountain), their powers attract each other so that they unite. This brings about success, for all success depends on the effect of mutual attraction
Perseverance furthers.
By keeping still within while experiencing joy without, one can prevent the joy from going to excess and hold it within proper bounds. This is the meaning of, "Perseverance furthers."
To take a maiden to wife brings good fortune
Heaven and earth attract each other and thus all creatures come into being. From the attractions they exert we can learn the nature of all beings in heaven and on earth.
A lake on the mountain:
The image of influence.
Thus the superior man encourages people to approach him
By his readiness to receive them.
A mountain with a lake on its summit is stimulated by the moisture from the lake. It has this advantage because its summit does not jut out as a peak but is sunken. The image counsels that the mind should be kept humble and free, so that it may remain receptive to good advice. People soon give up counseling a man who thinks that he knows everything better than anyone else.
The influence shows itself in the calves of the legs.
Misfortune.
Tarrying brings good fortune.
In movement, the calf of the leg follows the foot; by itself it can neither go forward nor stand still. Since the movement is not self-governed, it bodes ill. One should wait quietly until one is impelled to action by a real influence. Then one remains uninjured. Your philosophical post about danger in this game looks a bit like a forced attempt to duplicate the same kind of nonsense you kicked off the last game with (since it was very recent, and people will remember you were Town). Meanwhile, you never answered my question about approximately how many times you've been assigned a scum role in these games. [...] Also I only provide iching commentary when I'm town so I thank you for bringing this up. That's true. I found 3 games where I did something similar, all of them town. Posts in spoiler if you're curious. + Show Spoiler +Second thingOn June 13 2015 08:23 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:18 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote:
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.
Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.
Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta. Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried? Last time I tried was the Ver game and I was right. I have learned a thing or two since my first game of mafia ever, thank you very much. You don't have to believe this is my normal town meta because it's not, but you can't believe my scum meta is to post this much. I am a 1 page per day scum poster not a post more than anyone else scum poster. That's not as extreme as he's saying, but it is true. In particular, look at the size of the filters of these two games. In both he got lynched D1. Can you guess in which one he was scum ? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474082-imperial-mafia?user=batsnackshttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469267-fantasy-football-mafia-mini-2?user=batsnacksIf you don't wanna play the guessing game: he has two times more post in the first game, where he was town. ConclusionBy meta I don't think BS is mafia this game. ##Unvote Your first point is technically correct, but it doesn't mean anything. It's extremely easy for mafia!batsnacks to post this as scum. One good example of this is Onegu, who was known for a long time to only claim VT as town, and never as scum. Well, one game he did it as scum. If someone has a meta that "makes" them town, it's useless unless there's an actual reason why they can't do the same thing as scum. As for the second point, again, the post quality is important, not just the quantity. Damdred's post on batsnacks is really interesting, those are things that I didn't check. However, comparing the two games that Rels linked, I don't see batsnacks fitting Damdred's description that much. Notably because while he's always been a leading wagon, it's always been very close. Looking at Imperial Mafia (town!batsnacks), I noticed that batsnacks' filter at End of Day was extremely productive and focused, and I'm not seeing that from batsnacks this game. I'll take a look at batsnacks' scum reads now. Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 03:08 batsnacks wrote:
Here are the final vote counts from the first two days of newbie X, notice how sulfurus is off doing his own thing Why does this matter? He did something generally considered to be bad, he got lynched for it, and I'd really hope he didn't do the same thing in his next game. Were his reasons for voting those people original, or sheeping others (even if not in the final vote)?
So ... batsnacks has the longest filter in the game, and he's the player I am the least sure about. My opinion of him can change very easily in good or bad depending on his actions and other's reactions.
Conclusion: Null
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