Witchcraft Mini Mafia III - Page 75

On June 13 2015 23:31 Half the Sky wrote:


+1.

First off, well played town.

I also respectfully disagree with smurfs being a problem, at least the way WBG sees it. That was my mentality when I first joined TL, but there have been some people that smurf because of legit activity reasons - they don't lurk but aren't the super spammy people they normally could be, maybe they have a busy week at school but still want to be involved, they could be in a post-restricted game, some people might legitimately want to try a different method of playing as either alignment.

To me, I treat smurfs as new players to TL. I do tend to fall into the trap of meta sometimes so not being able to meta a smurf means you have to look harder at that person's gameplay in the current game (and some people use meta as a shortcut for better or worse). Also being a smurf means you cannot meta (without giving yourself away) others, so it's an exercise as well for those smurfing.

On June 13 2015 19:53 sicklucker wrote:
So this is what happens when people who usually get lynched d1 all role mafia together

On June 14 2015 12:18 Alakaslam wrote:

I thought you didn't care about stuff that happens here

On June 16 2015 06:31 Blazinghand wrote:
OK so overall here's where I'm at.

1. I think there were some serious behavior issues this game, a non-trivial amount of which stemmed from WBG, but some of which was directed at him as well. No matter what, we can agree WBG was the center of a minor shitstorm starting from partway through D1 and basically continuing in one form or another until the Final Warning that I gave the thread. WBG and I have a lot in common as players, since he and I are literally the same person, so I understand how people can react to his play. He can be caustic and aggressive, and this caused people to get mad at him, which caused him to be mad at other people, and things spiralled out of control. I think I did a good job of calming people down, but in general I'd like to think the town itself did a good job of eventually calming down. Let's do our best to be friendly in the future.

2. There was a lot of anger and confusion going on with the scumteam. It seems some scum were communicating with each other separately via skype, and boxing one guy out, then one of them died, then they started like, trying to PM me and argue over who had the right to choose what KP was submitted. All in all, I am really disappointed in everyone involved in the scumteam. You guys were immature and childish. I used to be much more aggressive with requiring scum to only communicate via QT, but I eventually became more chill about it because I thought people could be mature. You guys getting into some huge dick-measure contest and submitting bad night actions and not communicating was NOT what this game needed, and honestly, I expected better of you. We're all adults here, guys. If I see this kind of thing happening again, I'll bring back the "you can literally only talk in the scum QT and I will modkill if you do otherwise" rule, and nobody liked that.

3. Overall, I think we all know that the game revolved around the 2 Witch Hunter lynches. The strategy that came into play, involving voting and stuff like that-- I don't think this is actually a problem. Typically a Witch Hunter or someone SHOULD be alive for most of the game, this is only a strategy town can use when they're pretty ahead, and are very sure they're about to lynch the last Witch Hunter. This problem might be solved by getting rid of the Witch Hunters and making the 2 Silver Bullets a factional power (that still needs to be delivered individually), but honestly it has only come up once, and if town lynches 2 Witch Hunters in the first two days it's basically game over anyways.

4. Yamato Tracked Bill Murray, who delivered 2 Night Actions during N1, and that only ever happens if Bill Murray is scum. This kind of thing should be fairly rare, but I will be amending the Rodent Familiar role to only tell who the FIRST person someone visits is. So in this case, since Silver Bullet resolves before anything else, he'd have seen the failed attack on WBG.

Overall, many people played well this game, but I feel let down by the way you guys treated each other. I know each of you individually is capable of playing together well, especially the scumteam, and I look forward to great games from everyone here in the future.

3. I just think that something that permits a game to be solved only by mechanics, when Mafia is a game of argumentation, is broken. Just try to get on my perspective once. I put a considerable amount of "good" play, but my team mates doesn't, they die but I live and people are townreading me YAY!
Oh wait, they can figure out I'm Mafia in two days, no matter what I do.
It completely disregards my play, and it felt very unfair to me.

On June 16 2015 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:


2. I will react like that everytime I'm out of a TEAM communication, especially when they are the FIRST TWO LYNCHES OF THE GAME. I will NEVER tolerate letting people that aren't playing well to decide all actions and not even ask my opinion.

3. I just think that something that permits a game to be solved only by mechanics, when Mafia is a game of argumentation, is broken. Just try to get on my perspective once. I put a considerable amount of "good" play, but my team mates doesn't, they die but I live and people are townreading me YAY!
Oh wait, they can figure out I'm Mafia in two days, no matter what I do.
It completely disregards my play, and it felt very unfair to me.