Newbie Mini Mafia LXI - Page 5

On February 17 2015 03:21 zlefin wrote:

As for the policy lynch issue, while it's only a minor one, town depends on information, and if someone is providing little/no information, that's a problem, and a minor scum indication. I generally check up on things on waking up and going to bed, and usually several times over the day in between, so I tend to treat others as if they could do similarly (even if the check is only cursory).

Unlikely to be scum doesn't mean can't be scum; like I say, anyone between 51%-77% to be town is still more likely to be scum than an RNG guess.

I asked for input on how to handle the policy lynch issue because I wasn't sure, as a lot of that depends on skill level of the people involved, and the local meta on handling such things. Especially if people play at a very basic level such things would be more indicative; what I've found in this game is that people mostly seem moderately experienced, either with mafia games, or with the genre generally, so that they aren't making egregious rookie mistakes.

On February 17 2015 03:43 jarjarbinks wrote:



Sure. Rsoultin's basic strategy every game is to pry at little things in the beginning which accomplishes two things.

1: She appears town to everyone (almost always is accepted as town regardless of alignment)
2: Starts discussion.
3: She is probably the best player in this game I've seen do this, so it appeals to her strengths.

The discussion part helps town, plus she might get someone to slip. I generally don't read her one way or another because of it.

On February 17 2015 03:56 jarjarbinks wrote:


HEY I've held my tongue this game lol

On February 17 2015 03:29 Tere wrote:
Jarjar!

Talk to us Jarjar, where is your head at now

(Hi, BTW)

On February 17 2015 04:12 jarjarbinks wrote:
If you are pressuring Hier to talk, you might be giving him the wrong incentives. Right now it looks like a lost cause. If you truly believe he is bad, keep your vote by all means. If it is only for pressure, too many of you are doing it lol

On February 17 2015 04:20 jarjarbinks wrote:
I haven't talked about Tere and Silver much, so i'll share my thoughts

Tere: You seem like a nice version of my sister lol It looks like you make tonal reads but have some backing to them which is nice. I think what you said about mime has some truth to it. I agree with some of Trf's suspicions of you because some of it reminds me of my sister so I believe you have the ability to fool me. But as of right now count me fooled, I'm giving you a townlean right now.

Silver: I don't know what to think about you so far. I think your excuses are definitely justified, but it does hurt my ability to read you. Some people don't like wall posts, but you will need to get all of your thoughts out when you are here. Voting Hier is justifiable right now, but I don't see that as scumhunting. You have me worried.

On February 17 2015 04:27 jarjarbinks wrote:


Trf has talked a lot, which I generally perceive as town. When I read this earlier, I agreed with it. When you voted Hier later while saying you weren't really into it, but wouldn't find a counter wagon, it reminded me of this quote again.

Do you have better candidates as of now? Who are you willing to change your vote for? Who is your top scumread?

On February 17 2015 04:58 Hier wrote:
As per rsoultin's request I have dove into more detail of my original accusation.

The way scum play is by creating an illusion of healthy contribution, often subsidized by the incestuous demand for other people’s reads. This makes them appear to scum hunt and gives them an overall picture of the scene to know who is safe to make a move against without having suspicion fall on them.

rsoultin provides us with a textbook example of such play.

Prior to me making my first post the highlight of the thread was a set of back and forth comments between rsoultin and Trfel, during which rsoultin called one of Trfel’s comments a null read here, and called him and overall null read here. That was when Trfel and rsoultin were the only people that have begun to play (The Shining hoped in mostly to say hello, his post contentless); what’s the point in insisting to calling someone a null read twice at that stage? In this case “null” serves as a parasitic word that acts as an advert, subconsciously making people believe that its user is making reads and scum hunting, while exerting the least effort.

This tactic is coupled effectively with her tendency to demand immediate reads from people that have just joined the thread, as in the case of jarjarbinks and myself. This would be completely fine if not for her safely hiding behind an array of null reads, including myself, seemingly not to piss anyone off. To immediately establish own neutrality to the players, but aggressively seek others' suspicions is usually a sign of mafia play aimed at identifying potential future bandwagons.

Upon my posting of the Bridge model ElyAs, zlefin, and Trfel have responded negatively. Only jarjarbinks initially thought it was worth the try. Once jarjarbinks has begun to display doubt, rsoultin's stance on me diminished, as if to mirror. Finally, jarjarbinks’s final verdict on the model came in, it being negative. This was a signal to rsoultin, giving her permission to vote against me, as she did almost immediately, accompanied by her infamous phrase and no case made. What’s happening here is something very similar to a tactic used to buy equity; it is beneficial to buy into something early knowing its value will grow. It was beneficial to get on the lynch train early; being the first person to do so guarantees protection from future sheep voting accusations, and with 4 people having shown their discontent with me it was a decently safe assumption that a bandwagon would form.

Having said that, it could very well be possible that rsoultin just isn’t very experienced at the game, like I’ve said here before, and is not watching her actions. As it stands her actions are explainable by either her lack of controlled play or that she is scum. It is unlikely to be anything in between.

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I will be adding The Shining to my probable town list, to join jarjarbinks and Trfel. His actions do not make sense from a mafia perspective. Creating a third lynch candidate with no prior suspicion hovering over zlefin on the grounds of suggesting unlikely scenarios seems to be weak town play.

Finally, like I mentioned in this post, I have been suspecting a scum player to be one of the then inactives, Silverarte and Mimeux. Now that Tere has replaced an inactive player and has begun posting I am more convinced she is, in fact, scum.

On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:

You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it?

In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself.

Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.

Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might.

On February 17 2015 05:24 Hier wrote:
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch.

On February 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:

I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it.

On February 17 2015 05:32 zlefin wrote:
While I'm inclined to vote Hier at the moment, my concern is that one more vote for Hier will not change the outcome, and will not provide any useful information for anyone. However, IIRC, people have said trying to interpret night kills is WIFOM; so I'm not sure that voting anyone else would provide any useful information either (e.g. if I name someone else and am night-killed)

Any thoughts/arguments/ideas on what would provide the most town information?

On February 17 2015 05:37 Trfel wrote:
You're a better player than to get mislynched. Don't be silly. If we actually get enough votes to lynch you, you are going to flip scum, or you gave up on the game.

So I guess we're down to Hier or zlefin? And I really don't like a zlefin lynch.

On February 17 2015 05:40 Hier wrote:

She was reaching with her initial assessments. She needed something to establish convincing player analyses.

Saying jarjarbinks is likely a town player because of his spreadsheet? There was no spreadsheet. Similarly I could have said I made a spreadsheet, would I get points? Not to mention I corrected jarjarbinks's math in one of my posts.

Calling you a "Known town or towny" because of your explanation of WIFOM for zlefin?

Laughable.

On February 17 2015 05:43 Trfel wrote:
I guess I don't want to lynch The Shining at the moment. While I still believe that the things I brought up look scummy, as I stated at the time, several other parts of his filter look like real scumhunting.

Were you actually mislynched twice on the same day??? I have some research to do. One of those was LYLO in Student Mafia V, right?

On February 17 2015 05:51 Trfel wrote:
On the contrary, that seems to be a rather good day for the mafia.

Out of curiosity, how much time do you spend playing mafia per day, across all sites?