TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells

On December 07 2014 19:31 Tubesock wrote:
What the hell.

/IN

As the game hasn't started I'm assuming I can go back and edit my first post?

On December 08 2014 07:43 Xatalos wrote:
We'll see if I can hold my trend of longest D1 filter this time around

On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.

RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.

On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.

On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred

Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.

And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?

While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that.

On December 09 2014 08:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:


I'm not brushing it off, I' trying to look at it objectively. I think what he said makes sense. A. I know what he said. I said he was talking about policy lynching and lurkers. I never specifically said what he thought about it.

I don't think it's scummy. I think people are making something scummy out of nothing.

Thanks for the vote I knew it was to happen eventually, but I figured Ritoky would be the first to do it!

And I will enjoy my date Food and alcohol. what's better?

On December 09 2014 08:46 KelsierSC wrote:
So i have noticed something with this set up. If you are scrooge just claim.

On December 09 2014 08:50 KelsierSC wrote:

where is the contradiction?

she seems to be saying other people might find it scummy \flag him but she doesn't think it is?

On December 09 2014 09:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Lmao. Okay, Templar top town for the rst of the day. I don't even care he voted me.That was the best thing I have evver read.

As for being naughty on my date... well well well. We will just have to see;)

He'll be here in five minutes so I'll leave you with this:

Templar Town
Damdred Town
Slam semitownie

Those I need to look more at:
HF
Vivax
Kelsier

Iffy:
Froggy
Kita (I expected more than just hey)
Fecal

I don't really like how two people jumped to defend me. That always makes me skeptical. Don't get me wrong, thank you for that, because it's absolutely true and makes sense.

HF is making something out of nothing. Idk if it's reaction testing? Or backlash for me calling him out on his post.

tbh, I'm not counting how many posts I make. I type a lot, I ask a lot of questions. If I get near my cap, well then, atleast I know I made a difference in the beginning of the day, instead of arguing later.

Have fun everyone, and see you tomorrow!

On December 09 2014 09:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm liking holyflare now, i didn't like his post about how he wasn't going to post, seemed like a good excuse to lurk. But he has backed it up with actual pressure.his pressure on nb is actually strong and the explanation is good. It also feels like town hf to me.

On December 09 2014 09:31 batsnacks wrote:
HTS is looking awful

There is no way she:

1. agrees with HF
2. thinks froggy is null
3. thinks bunnies is scummy
4. agrees with what bunnies said

On December 09 2014 09:49 KelsierSC wrote:


yeh people always say that but he analysed what she was saying and pointed out flaws, no one else did that and that is good d1 town play. I also dont like hts so

On December 09 2014 10:09 KelsierSC wrote:


i gave you and bats as town right

my ff read isn't an easy read at all.

so I'm not throwing out easy reads at all. Anyway I explained bats did the analysis on hts and it felt towny to me. Plus his manner feels like the other town games bats has played

On December 09 2014 10:10 batsnacks wrote:


Agreeing with you and nb simultaneously about what froggy said is a contradiction, especially considering that what nb said about froggy was a contradiction in itself. I think HTS is scummy for that.

On December 09 2014 10:20 batsnacks wrote:
HF can we do that thing this game where I'll tell you if I think you're flying off the rails?

On December 09 2014 10:20 KelsierSC wrote:


well no i dont have perfect information on you. But if your play feels like it did when you are town, and you do towny actions then I'm happy,d1 to add you to my town circle. That us what i did with you and bats.
yes bats didn't analyze vixen, but he did anslyse hts and i agreed with it, it reminded me of town bats.

i generally. Make a large town circle d1, my ff read was using specific information about his play d1

On December 09 2014 10:41 rsoultin wrote:


Have to agree with someone to read them town? All xmas happy children are right all the time, so says the holy one.

On December 09 2014 10:30 batsnacks wrote:


True that

##unvote
##vote: 27ninjabunnies

On December 09 2014 11:24 GlowingBear wrote:


Uhm, I've never called them town?

I've called bats scum and slam only reveals himself as scum at later days . You won't have a read on him day one.
Bats is scum for that wasted post on my entrance. Pointless and wishy washy (hey this guy is calling himself scum! Or color blind? Oh nevermind, SUDDEN REALISATION, BB code says blue)

Slam, you're scum because you haven't post any insights yet.
Defend thyself.

On December 09 2014 12:13 kitaman27 wrote:


He claims that his joy role gives out presents. OP states that joy role does not, hence the lie.

I'm asking if its one of those silly town lies that he thinks is doing good or if he has the mafia's present and is trying to benefit the cred of a fake claim.

On December 09 2014 15:43 Damdred wrote:
Said its a weak scum read in the post.

votes an hour later? No reap thoughts?

On December 09 2014 21:17 Oatsmaster wrote:

Vivax defended bunnies then called her scum without referring to his defence of her at all.

You spend like 5 posts talking about how she called someone town but that he did scummy shit. You realise that its not mutually exclusive?

You can do scummy shit and still be town.

Im totes not defending bunnies but there are better people to lynch today.
^^

And seriously so many posts asking people what they think of bunnies.
Its clearly working but its making feel like you dont know what you are doing.

On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum

On December 10 2014 02:50 Damdred wrote:
Actually on another read through even though i'm slightly suspicious of Xata i'd probably never lynch him today Ritoky is a strange struggle read for me right now i'm not sure if hes town this time

On December 10 2014 00:26 Oatsmaster wrote:

Vivax called bunnies scum for a superficial reason.
That reason was that bunnies switched to fit in.

However, there is no indication that bunnies intentionally did that. In fact, she doesnt even explain her vote which is townie imo.

Vivax defended bunnies earlier but now is calling her scum.
Its the exact thing he said.

And it looks a ton like he is bandwagoning.

Scummmyyyyy.

I dislike HF at the moment more than froggy for his entrance post. Tbh, I understand there is a cap to posts (which I am probably rapidly approacing), but you shouldn't come into the game with the mindset that you aren't going to post much because of the cap. However, I did post a post just recently saying why I like HF now, for his view on Kelsier.

On December 11 2014 04:11 KelsierSC wrote:
So when nb said "i could just claim" i was pretty fucking mad about that but reading it now. Either she is a role or scum right, saying that as vt is just really anti town Imo.
for that reason i don't think she should be the lynch d1 and we should focus other targets now and see exactly what play nb makes d2. Interested to hear more thoughts on my ff read.

On December 11 2014 04:15 KelsierSC wrote:


I can't but she did basically claim a role and I think we get more information if we look elsewhere today and see what nb does d2

On December 11 2014 04:29 liancourt wrote:
Nope ninja posted a vid of carol singers

oh yes this is role claiming

On December 11 2014 04:47 kitaman27 wrote:


Are we at the point where we are ready to issue her an ultimatum to claim or do we give it 1-2 more hours. I certainly don't want her showing up 5 minutes before the lynch and claiming that she is Arnold or something.

I'm not saying that we listen to her claim and it suddenly makes her town, but if she is going to go around saying that she might "claim to save herself" then I don't see the point of keeping quiet with so many votes on her with a few hours left. I'd rather digest what she has to say now.

On December 11 2014 05:13 Koshi wrote:
There are major signs that this is a town lynch. But what can we do?

On December 11 2014 06:10 sicklucker wrote:
Like if it wAsint for that carol singer post I might be scared here. Like who randomly posts a video of themself carol singing it was a claim. Shes mafia back tracking.

On December 11 2014 06:16 kitaman27 wrote:


Do you have a few minutes now to tell us what you think? Filter isn't very large.

On December 09 2014 09:03 Fecalfeast wrote:

Constant stream of nothing from you after already saying you're doing it for WIFOM. You'll run out of posts very soon at this rate.

Why are you fishing for marley specifically?

On December 11 2014 06:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't really care much for this nb wagon, but I don't really know where else I would deflect the vote.

On December 11 2014 06:51 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm tempted to move over to Fecal for the sake of wagon of justice.

On December 11 2014 07:04 Trfel wrote:
Explanation of 27ninjabunnies vote:

I'm currently on page 40. I was definitely not ready for the amount of posts that would be in a game with so few people. But at this rate, I will not be able to catch up in the thread by the voting deadline.

I will keep checking the voting thread, and if it seems that 27ninjabunnies comes closer to not being lynched, I will change my vote.

On December 11 2014 07:13 batsnacks wrote:


If we're policying someone I missed it.

On December 11 2014 10:17 Trfel wrote:

I will add batsnacks and Fecalfeast to my list of tentative townreads.

Need to head out now, but the main people I plan on investigating are Koshi, Damdred, Xatalos, LightningStrike, Tubesock, and KelsierSC.

On December 11 2014 08:21 liancourt wrote:
well kel is now 100% mafia

On December 11 2014 10:37 Holyflare wrote:


I wouldn't say 100% but he's very likely mafia for all the things he was saying pre-flip

On December 11 2014 11:13 ritoky wrote:
HF can you start getting salty so i can read you as town already? you're doing town things, but you're not angry at idiots for lynching town....why?

On December 11 2014 11:45 ritoky wrote:


you do that a lot...lol. especially when people listen to you for bad reasons and when you got people like koshi saying they are okay with it and rsoultin saying i told you so and kels pre-emptively saying i told you so.

On December 11 2014 11:56 ritoky wrote:


OMGUS, not angry, content on a stagnant read lynch, 0 development on bunnies read even after she posted, pushing other people but not moving your vote...thank you for making up my mind for me. you're feigning townie things, you're mafia.

On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:


she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep.

further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia.

On December 11 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay Oatsmaster I got a Null read on him due to him not as much as he did on his town games but I guess the limit on the post number on each persons filter making try to conserve his posts a lot more than normal he did have some nice questions but he also made a weird call on Vivax being scum so idk what the true nature of his read on him is.
KSC I got him scum right now since most of his posts were more fluff than anything and he didn't ask good questions except once towards me but he also had a I told you so attitude on the lynch of 27ninja before the lynch which one of the scum members in the Campus Mafia game said about me when I was getting lynched kind of tells me he is scum at this point.

On December 12 2014 00:21 Half the Sky wrote:


Ritoky, do you have links to these games? I have not played with Holyflare (or really a lot of the players here) before.

On December 11 2014 05:13 Koshi wrote:
There are major signs that this is a town lynch. But what can we do?

On December 12 2014 05:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hf's post on every single person off the nb wagon being suspicious is really weird, but I can kind of see it from town.

If he keeps spreading his scumreads out like that, be wary.

I don't understand why Oats still had his vote on Vivax either, especially after he called Vivax town earlier.

Also, am conducting a reread. Will be back and forth a couple of times. Will answer questions and whatnot.

On December 12 2014 09:11 Trfel wrote:
I still don't see very much reason to lynch Fecalfeast. Yes, his play hasn't been amazing yet, and I disagree with many of his reads, but I can still see where he is coming from. I would rather give him some more time before looking back at that lynch.

On December 12 2014 09:18 Trfel wrote:

Yes, I have. I have also filter read his posts multiple times.

If you would like, I can elaborate, but unfortunately I will be really busy for a bit. In summary, his play is mostly fluff, but that doesn't incriminate someone (see Alakaslam, batsnacks, for example). And in the remaining posts, while I disagree, I see little reason to believe that those are his honest opinions after searching for scum.

On December 12 2014 09:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Holy this is Trfel's 2nd game here on TL Mafia his first was at Student Mafia and seen here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=Trfel
I believe he is town based on his play on Student Mafia it just he had a later start than we liked but still I think he is town never less.

On December 12 2014 10:00 sicklucker wrote:
[B]##vote ritoky[B/] tell us the wonders of the present because based on the night actions its probably a role check and I dont get why you dont tell us.

On December 12 2014 10:04 sicklucker wrote:
I just dont see any scenario where ritoky didnt use his present last night (esp after he claimed he had one for no reason) Its very suspicious to me im looking for scum.

On December 12 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Holyflare

Your reads on froggynoddy and vivax, please.

On December 12 2014 10:16 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm impressed you're not questioning Ritoky for claiming being GIVAN PREZANT, HF.

What do you think of it?

On December 12 2014 10:14 sicklucker wrote:
Like these presents are super valuable now that the death present is probably gone with dandred. Their basically are best roles left besides santa. And He just comes out and says it? Hes either being a huge donkey or hes mafia.

On December 12 2014 10:30 GlowingBear wrote:


You know I'm not talking about getting a present or not. I gave him the present. I'm talking about claiming opening a present. It will make his role useless night2.

You've called him mafia with a great amount if certainty but you're not pushing something that is relevant. Now that everybody knows he has a power, it doesn't matter which power he has. He can claim so we can know his night action night 2.

This is so contradictory from you.

On December 12 2014 10:37 ritoky wrote:


have you played with HF before when he is scum?

i was masoned with him when he was scum in HS mafia, i got to see how he works behind the scenes a bit, this is HF mafia.

On December 12 2014 10:47 Half the Sky wrote:


No I haven't, but upon reading Hearthstone, his behaviour/posting in that game is a more choppy compared to the way he's picking out things here and fleshing things out. This is why I don't understand your comparison of him. But more of an issue to me is that you also accused him of not pushing Xatalos etc when he already explained why he wasn't doing it. He said he didn't even agree with the case on Xatalos so how are you expecting him to push Xatalos?

On December 12 2014 10:57 Half the Sky wrote:




That is the quote I was referring to, unless you understood him differently.

On December 12 2014 11:05 ritoky wrote:


in regards to vivax, kels, and xat; i meant he is pushing on them in the thread, but following it up with 0 vote pressure in terms of actually trying to lynch them. read my more recent post to understand a little bit more.

On December 12 2014 11:10 ritoky wrote:


in hearthstone i asked you directly why you weren't angry, and then you got angry 3 posts after it.

On December 12 2014 11:52 sicklucker wrote:
And holy. ritoky is basically an uncced veg/cop with 1 bullet or check. Why are you voting him? Your looking more scummy then him for doing it.

On December 12 2014 12:02 sicklucker wrote:


Dude your the equivalent of a un cced veg to me. We dont kill un cced veggies.

On December 12 2014 12:09 rsoultin wrote:


That was FF. Dude -_- I am really getting people mixed up this game. Too many new faces, too many posts. Fair enough. I retract my nonsensical statement lol.

On December 12 2014 12:20 sicklucker wrote:


That would be even better. We would hit a for sure mafia tomorrow(him) and hopefully one today! We should set it up so he has to prove himself if he lives the night. If we vote him now its like a 50/50 in my mind or worse. Why not wait till the odds are better?

On December 12 2014 12:49 sicklucker wrote:
Actually mafia knows when dandred dies the kill presents probably gone. So ya ritoky could totally do this as mafia unfortunately.

On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.

His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me.

His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me.

On December 11 2014 11:53 batsnacks wrote:


I found him first.

On December 12 2014 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
Kush
Ritoky
HF

probable scum team. Posting for cred.

On December 13 2014 03:32 batsnacks wrote:
HTS is mafia. Ritoky isn't.

On December 13 2014 10:19 batsnacks wrote:
I think HF is mafia though

On December 13 2014 12:32 batsnacks wrote:
Vivax vote Trfel with me?

Or maybe rsoultin. He has a stick up his ass this game. He was a lot calmer last game. I've never seen anyone engage me as calmly as he did in Student Mafia and I was out in full force.

On December 13 2014 13:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


That's only the first part of his case, though.

On December 13 2014 13:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


That's cool.

Let him post the second part. Then you can tear it down relentlessly and I can analyze the value in what he's saying.

On December 13 2014 13:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I'm not shitting on anything. I just want to see the second part of GB's case before I start tackling this predicament.

I'm kind of annoyed that he's doing it this way, tbh. I'm probably not going to be able to look at it until after deadline which really upsets me.

On December 13 2014 13:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


He just said he was at a party, and now he's drunk...

...

I have no idea how this warrants a vote.

On December 13 2014 13:40 rsoultin wrote:
Viva, if you have questions for me, I am here to answer them, so it's a good time to ask.

I will say, though, that GB looks like a good lynch to me today. Drunk or not. He's managed to have an excuse all game...not sitting well with me at all.

On December 13 2014 13:51 GlowingBear wrote:


U have a townread on you. Don't make me rescind that.

You're not considering the present giving mechanics. It tells a lot about alignment,


I'm sure HF is mafia

On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about.

On December 13 2014 14:07 batsnacks wrote:


I don't agree with lynching ritoky, which is most of what you've talked about today, and there was a great deal of talking about it. You haven't said anything today that I remember agreeing with. So I just left it alone.

On December 13 2014 14:07 batsnacks wrote:


I don't agree with lynching ritoky, which is most of what you've talked about today, and there was a great deal of talking about it. You haven't said anything today that I remember agreeing with. So I just left it alone.

On December 13 2014 14:22 batsnacks wrote:


I agreed with one of your reads, 27nb. Approx. half the game did.

If I felt that strongly about you being mafia I would try a lot harder to get you lynched. I just think you might be mafia, and I have this idea that other people (not GB) might have that feeling too but are keeping quiet about it because they're scared or smth.

I voted HTS because I couldn't remember a single thing she posted except for asking for MORE reading material.

I might have voted tubesock for saying there are 5 mafia.

I was the first person this game to point out Trfel is not himself. I still think Trfel is not himself. Vivax has said he doesn't think Trfel is himself, and Vivax coached him last game. So I was wondering if Vivax wanted to vote Trfel with me. He apparently doesn't because he has other "gut reads" to worry about or something.

On December 13 2014 14:37 sicklucker wrote:


Lie I want the original holder to claim not who has it now and since no ones claiming its proving my point its in mafias hands. It may be annoying but i have gained as much info if not more then anyone in this game.

On December 13 2014 14:39 batsnacks wrote:


WELL it makes me supremely unhappy because all of my scum reads are completely out of the spotlight, and they're not even that strong.

Like, ritoky claiming present is suboptimal, but I can't vote him after how he defended himself.

GB I don't even think is being that bad.

FF... maybe he's mafia? How does anyone know he's not just apathetic? I am... why wouldn't he be?

On December 13 2014 14:53 batsnacks wrote:


I remember everything Lonemeow said.

You'd vote FF over Trfel though?

On December 13 2014 14:53 batsnacks wrote:


I remember everything Lonemeow said.

You'd vote FF over Trfel though?

On December 12 2014 08:40 Vivax wrote:
I've looked at the dead guys filters and I think I'll just sheep onto their scumreads, namely

ritoky, FF, Oats for kita
Obi, froggy and FF for lone
I think ritoky for Koshi
Kush got killed by Marley and played horribly.

Gonna evaluate them individually.

If we have a vig he's stupid for not killing Alakaslam.

On December 13 2014 15:08 Vivax wrote:


Cause he claimed joyful child or w/e it's called and I figured mafia mostly killed him for being a named VT and not for his reads.

Tho in my latest post I also considered his reads, given that other JC claims didn't die.

On December 14 2014 08:16 liancourt wrote:
hey rit shoot hf

On December 13 2014 08:26 Holyflare wrote:



The first part (not pushing ritoky) is false and it's all I did all night. Not to mention I had multiple arguments with sicklucker telling him that ritoky should die even while having the present open.

The rest of the points are terrible:

A) because the likeliest place in the entire game a mafia will be is off of the town bandwagon that you say was pushed for "bad reasons" (funny how you only start to bring up that it had no reasons and push this after bunnies flipped and not before) and even if it wasn't it's by far the best place to look for mafia as a starting reference point.

B) I don't see how a mislynch that had less than half of the games players on it plays against me at all when 2 flipped townies who are actually good at this game were also on the same wagon and there are 11 people on it. Unless you're saying they are mafia too then this reason means nothing. Not to mention it's incredibly weird that you call the person who kept bringing up points on her all game mafia instead of looking at any of the people on the wagon that just did nothing towards the lynch. It's one thing to say it was a bad lynch with bad reasons but it's another to pick the person who was giving out reasons that 10 people sheeped. I don't even see how you call the mislynch bad and having 0 points when she was incredibly scummy anyway and soft claimed like 3 roles conveniently.


You also push some dumb read on how i now semi town read froggy after scum reading him. I never scum read him this entire game I just said his vote looks the worst along with yours etc because you were all wasting your votes pointlessly. Congratulations on pointing out that I researched him and updated my read though.



This also doesn't make sense at all becausw vivax agreed with the points on bunnies. His original post on froggy just said froggy was null so I don't see how that is a contradiction that needed picking on or how you even compare it to bunnies.



Your attempts to get a bandwagon on me are pitiful especially as you ONLY just started after I said I wouldn't be around till late because I was driving to Belgium.

On December 14 2014 08:29 liancourt wrote:


anyone could have switched and caused shennanigans

but no one did...why?

i'm inlcined to think hf is mafia too. And it's really scummy that he comes right after the flip.

What was he doing not defending himself or trying to convince others to vote kel or ff to save himself.

Instead he lurked until the flip and suddenly comes in.

HF's game thus far has been really underwhelming and a HF that makes IRL excuses and being underwhelming non pushing and just overall having a bad game is really hurting town and i'm really inclined to think that it's scum HF playing like this.

He poses a big threat to town if he's scum, and right now he's been practically useless.

On December 14 2014 08:36 liancourt wrote:


obi is super town or super bussed his team mate.

but since i think HF is scum and the fact that obi didnt want to vote HF earlier before thread sentiment was on kel i'm inlcined to think obi super bussed kel.

But lets see how HF flips.

Rit shoot HF

Vig can find someone else hopefully. Oh wait mafia might have RB so...vig shoot HF and rit find someone else to shoot.

On December 14 2014 08:52 liancourt wrote:


sorry hf but you're really detrimental to town right now

town benefits from ur godlike analysis and pushing power and thread presence

but you have none of that this game and sure you have IRL stuff going on.

Even you have said in the past that mafia like to make IRL excuses for their inactiveness or untownlilike play.

I'm sorry HF but I think it's a heavy burden for town to keep you alive.

On December 14 2014 08:57 liancourt wrote:


stop defending yourself and shoiw me your past greatness

On December 14 2014 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why claim at night, though? I mean sure vig may get you but now mafia will for sure, right?

On December 14 2014 09:04 liancourt wrote:


no, i'm reading you now and you're being absolutely useless this game.

and the way you came back to the thread was horrible.

what does it matter what I think?

If you want to redeem yourself why not show us you're town by scum hunting instead of replying to my useless posts

Possible scum, in order of scumminness:
HF
Obi
JAT
Superbia
Marv

Half of the game lololololol

I can't wait.

Geript case on HF is spot on, IMO.

On December 14 2014 09:15 GlowingBear wrote:


Lololol
I loved your photo by the way.

You didn't debunked my case, HF, your defense was bullshit, and so is your half-assed claim.

Those points still stands.

Or you think I should say: "I'm sorry, I forgot Belgium has a magical barrier for mafia"?

On December 09 2014 09:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm liking holyflare now, i didn't like his post about how he wasn't going to post, seemed like a good excuse to lurk. But he has backed it up with actual pressure.his pressure on nb is actually strong and the explanation is good. It also feels like town hf to me.

On December 14 2014 11:01 The_Templar wrote:

...at the beginning of day 1 -_-

On December 03 2014 11:01 GlowingBear wrote:


This actually is a huge advice to me.

Kelsier keeping his vote on fecal feast is indicative of ff being town, but you seem not to care.

On December 14 2014 12:27 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm probably being really thick here, but why does KelsierSC saying that Holyflare is town provide any evidence that Holyflare is town? Couldn't he just be trying to make the town opinion favor his mafia buddy?

On December 14 2014 12:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare, your bit about Kelsier calling you town meaning that you're town is awful.

On December 14 2014 12:50 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, dude, seriously? You're going to take that as a batsnacks town read over all the things he's actually said and contributed to this game? Wow.

Viva and GB went eerily silent. Guess they don't care to/or can't find a counter. Or they're taking a really long time to bother to frame a response.

On December 14 2014 12:58 rsoultin wrote:


Beginning to annoy me now. I don't consider two people arguing against one another, both claiming each other is scum and/or defending themselves better content. If I can't make a read on you or someone else by looking at what you've done or said independently and have to choose one of you to parrot...I might as well call you both null and call it a day. Or both scum for damn well wasting my time.

Find another sheep and stop pissing me off.

On December 14 2014 13:39 GlowingBear wrote:
The advice marv gave was to damdred, and it was about listening to what people are saying. Nothing else.
I also never said I was wrong about you and froggy. I said I couldn't find you explicitly calling him scum. I found you calling his entrance out and saying he looks terrible for wasting his vote.
Then you completely ignore those three people you said looked terrible.

On December 14 2014 14:23 Tubesock wrote:


I can ask you the same thing. Why are you so mad that we lynched a mafia? We have 3 days till the next lynch. If you are town, why are you so worried and frustrated? Because town was successful today?

I feel vindicated. Unless you show me some reason to come back and post, I probably won't. I made my case. Your turn.

On December 14 2014 14:52 Trfel wrote:
@Holyflare

Is it really that suspicious that I constructed my own argument without looking at someone else's? I read the posts looking for information based on what KelsierSC said, not for what others said about him. I've already stated that I don't feel like I can read everything as carefully as I would like in such a large game, so I limited myself to KelsierSC's filter and any outside information I deemed necessary while reading the filter.

I will take another look tomorrow to attempt to get a read from this Holyflare/GlowingBear mess. Right now, I won't offer reads about either player since I haven't given the arguments much attention since the lynch. I am sorry that I forgot about the Holyflare defense post, that was pretty sloppy of me.

Also, agreeing with someone doesn't mean you have to townread them. GlowingBear said that he was okay with lynching KelsierSC as well, so do I need to townread both of you?

On December 14 2014 04:36 Trfel wrote:
I agree, I don't really want to lynch Tubesock here. And yes, I realize that makes me a potential #2 in line. I think that we can find something better before the deadline.

I saw your question, rsoultin. I'm reading over Holyflare's filter again, then I'll get to ritoky's filter. I'll post conclusions when I am finished.

On December 14 2014 16:07 rsoultin wrote:
HF...

A mislynch opportunity didn't actually "arise". You and Tube were the options first. Tube started coming off as misguided town (and wasn't a very strong lynch anyway), several of us were uncomfortable voting either of you, and it turned into a who do the people not voting for HF consolidate on.

You should probably actually read what happened before you start throwing accusations around. Not saying Trfel hasn't done some weird things or couldn't have bussed, but yeah. You were always on the chopping block.

On December 14 2014 16:09 Vivax wrote:
Lawdy that looks like a scumslip. I don't know if HF is not scum but I know that Kelsier was scum and HF is..Something so I wrote not-scum.