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Yes I thought that too but I've seen him tunneled before and it was never to this extent. It's more telling that he admitted his case was wrong/based on things that never happened but almost nobody in the game has pointed that out (apart from rsoul/someone else). Most disappointed in you of all people vivax for sheeping it.
Oats is probably mafia for all his defences of these town people and crazy lurking. Really don't like your xata point of defending me because the case was so wrong against me that it needed looking into.
Really don't remember anything templar has done since his day 1 santa posts will look at later. Froggy came into the thread and agreed with gb's case and was agreeing with gb despite gb basing a lot of connection being me mafia with froggy. I feel like if he was town he'd immediately jump on this false logic and the case was also bad so kind of biased against anyone that liked it. Been pretty afk most of the game too.
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On December 15 2014 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
Yes I thought that too but I've seen him tunneled before and it was never to this extent. It's more telling that he admitted his case was wrong/based on things that never happened but almost nobody in the game has pointed that out (apart from rsoul/someone else). Most disappointed in you of all people vivax for sheeping it.
Oats is probably mafia for all his defences of these town people and crazy lurking. Really don't like your xata point of defending me because the case was so wrong against me that it needed looking into.
Really don't remember anything templar has done since his day 1 santa posts will look at later. Froggy came into the thread and agreed with gb's case and was agreeing with gb despite gb basing a lot of connection being me mafia with froggy. I feel like if he was town he'd immediately jump on this false logic and the case was also bad so kind of biased against anyone that liked it. Been pretty afk most of the game too.
This is a really good point actually. Didn't think about that.
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HF stop making good points it's really hard to scum read you right now.
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Gb has been totally open about the possibility of hf being town. He doesint want to vote him today and didnt want you shot if I recall. I feel like its the other way around your not considering that your both town. If you were more involved in this game it would be easier for me to be on your side.
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On December 15 2014 19:42 sicklucker wrote:
Gb has been totally open about the possibility of hf being town. He doesint want to vote him today and didnt want you shot if I recall. I feel like its the other way around your not considering that your both town. If you were more involved in this game it would be easier for me to be on your side.
I really don't think you're reading the same game
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Where did froggy agreed with my case?
I didn't want vigi to shoot HF because:
1) He could be town (I'm positive he is mafia but I don't have perfect information) and the way he claimed he was a role made me think he was the veteran. That's why I didn't want to talk, at night, exactly WHY HF wasn't a good shot
2) We have questions marks/scummy lurkers that are more worthy of a vigi shot: froggy, oats were the best shots.
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If you're not mafia, I've never seen your town play lacking this consistency, HF.
I remember pretty well you going against Rayn and other players when you thought they are mafia, and you're not doing it this game. Instead, you were picking on ritoky just the way you were picking on obi on hearthstone mafia. You're pushing people because they are "lying", the same excuse you used with obi in that game.
Now, really, you say 3 people are terrible for wasting their votes, does not go against them, scumreads me and ritoky, drops your vote on FF, who was soft confirmed town by Santa.
A scum who was dying wasted his vote instead of trying to survive and kill you.
You don't think all the facts are against you?
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On December 15 2014 22:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Where did froggy agreed with my case?
I think this is what he means. (bolded for emphasis)
[QUOTE]On December 14 2014 00:52 froggynoddy wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider:
Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town
+ Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one.
Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present.
This means:
If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town.
If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair.
That's it guys.
Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them.[/QUOTE]
This is obvious. I think my head matches yours...[/QUOTE]
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On December 15 2014 22:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Where did froggy agreed with my case?
I think this is what he means. (bolded for emphasis)
On December 14 2014 00:52 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider: Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them. This is obvious. I think my head matches yours...
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Ok well I read templar and I'm really not enthused. He spent all of day 2 not particularly doing anything (i also noticed he said he liked kelsier but also gave the caveat that he hadn't really read the thread at all) and gave no input into literally any of the wagons at all. He was so heavily focused on Tubesock and all of his posts but never really with anything else at all. For someone who read the thread he just jumped onto my wagon with ease based on not even gb's case but a small post gb made.
If he hasn't been reading the thread he shouldn't know whether any of the case is true or not and if he did read the thread he'd know it wasn't. He also never bothered to read me at all, never bothered to even check anything about anyone but instead only attacked tubesock for voting on mafia instead of his main read which is so fucking irrelevant when the lynch was between me/ff/kelsier that i find it hard to believe he even cares who he is voting as long as it isn't kelsier.
It's really scummy that he has no real thoughts of his own and was quite happy to sheep onto a mislynch with no real work behind anything other than going after tube.
Tubesock, you crazy.
I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her.
It's also super outrageous that templar says this and then the post he sheeped gb on and agreed with to vote me was saying that i had no reason to be on nb
His filter is also littered with useless comments like when froggy returns with a list post he just ignored any of the content in it and instead just asked an irrelevant "what do you think about x" question
This dude is super scummy.
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I agree with what HF just said. That's my favorite thing he's said all game.
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On December 15 2014 22:18 GlowingBear wrote:
If you're not mafia, I've never seen your town play lacking this consistency, HF.
I remember pretty well you going against Rayn and other players when you thought they are mafia, and you're not doing it this game. Instead, you were picking on ritoky just the way you were picking on obi on hearthstone mafia. You're pushing people because they are "lying", the same excuse you used with obi in that game.
Now, really, you say 3 people are terrible for wasting their votes, does not go against them, scumreads me and ritoky, drops your vote on FF, who was soft confirmed town by Santa.
A scum who was dying wasted his vote instead of trying to survive and kill you.
You don't think all the facts are against you?
Do you think i could lynch you with 0 posts left im the day?
Do you think i could lynch ritoky with 0 posts left in the day?
Did i think fecal had a great chance of being mafia?
Only 1 of those questions has a yes answer. I was also going to check my present at night to see if ritoky actually opened it and whether he was just lying so that's why i didn't push him about his present but you fucked with everything gb.
This game is perfectly different because I'm limited by posts and not only am i on holiday and being forced to fucking post every 5 minutes just to defend myself from your bull shit but it's hard to really follow on when I'm trying to enjoy time with my gf on a romantic trip, I've done what I can and I've pushed DECENT things. Ritoky has a great fucking chance at beinf mafia now that he claimed rb while obi most likely did too but you ignore it. You push all this useless shit. You have no idea what makes me town and what makes me mafia just like last game where you thought i was 100% mafia so different insta lynch and I wasn't. You are literally just dwindling away my post count for your own gain. You haven't done anything you said in regards to my defence. You rescinded your points about me and froggy. You made up bs about me pushing things i would do normally etc. I researched the peoples votes and made extra reads on them when you asked me to and then somehow evolving a read on those people makes me scum but so does my stale vote on bunnies and so does my present sending (which apparently you use a heuristic to town read yourself. Yeh fuck that) nothing you say makes any sense.
I suggest you drop everything. You leave me the fuck alone. You play the rest of the game in a little corner and either do absolutely nothing and admit you are mafia or post reads about actual people that could be mafia. I'm so tired of your useless shit. I'm not responding to you anymore.
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On December 15 2014 22:34 Holyflare wrote:
Ritoky has a great fucking chance at beinf mafia now that he claimed rb while obi most likely did too but you ignore it.
I'm not scumreading you for this HF, but the Vet/JK save possibility has been brought up before by a few of us late last night, with a legit possibility that Rit was RBed. A few of us (myself included) are inclined to feel that this is the more likely scenario. What is your take on that?
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Yes i already posted about that and it was in a fit of rage that i wasn't really thinking about the game and more how gb ignores everything everywhere to just return and say I'm mafia. It probably is true he was jk'd but it doesn't necessarily affect his alignment i think
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On December 15 2014 16:27 Holyflare wrote:
Although if ritoky is mafia then his vig present claim is pretty ridiculous because why wouldn't he use it last night as mafia for a free kp? Especially if they are rbing obi that would just auto set him up today to be lynched by claiming to be rb'd because obi looks super obviously like the vig to them with the lm comments.
There's also the chance that he didn't open the present but if that were the case he super gambled that he got the vig shot and that the other present was the role check.
I dunno what's going on here.
Probably means he WAS jk'd
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I am also having quite a few doubts on Templar, he seems quite determined to stick with Tubesock. Asked him last night about Tubesock, and his explanation seems inadequate to me at best. If I recall correctly, the scumslip part has been beaten to death, so I don't understand the continued tunnel.
Also regarding Oats, I had done some meta work on Oats, and looking at prior TL games, this is by far the least he's been involved. Oats was way more involved even last Student Mafia game (he was VT), and the two TL normal games I looked at where he was scum (LS provided me the links) he was even more involved in that game than he was as town. Second game, not so much, but by far, this game is clearly the lurkiest he's ever been. On meta alone, it would appear inconclusive.
Rasputin is correct that EoD is inconvenient for him, but from what I was reading, generally he would pop in soon AFTER EoD. I recall him popping in a bit like that in Student Mafia, but its not been the case here. On meta alone, I'm smelling a coaster.
Content-wise, he voted for Trfel for his lack of involvement (ironic, given his own prior involvement) and then "pressure voted" Vivax. This is what I really do not like on him.
So as far as I'm concerned it's not good for him either.
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On December 15 2014 22:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 22:18 GlowingBear wrote:
If you're not mafia, I've never seen your town play lacking this consistency, HF.
I remember pretty well you going against Rayn and other players when you thought they are mafia, and you're not doing it this game. Instead, you were picking on ritoky just the way you were picking on obi on hearthstone mafia. You're pushing people because they are "lying", the same excuse you used with obi in that game.
Now, really, you say 3 people are terrible for wasting their votes, does not go against them, scumreads me and ritoky, drops your vote on FF, who was soft confirmed town by Santa.
A scum who was dying wasted his vote instead of trying to survive and kill you.
You don't think all the facts are against you? Do you think i could lynch you with 0 posts left im the day? Do you think i could lynch ritoky with 0 posts left in the day? Did i think fecal had a great chance of being mafia? Only 1 of those questions has a yes answer. I was also going to check my present at night to see if ritoky actually opened it and whether he was just lying so that's why i didn't push him about his present but you fucked with everything gb. This game is perfectly different because I'm limited by posts and not only am i on holiday and being forced to fucking post every 5 minutes just to defend myself from your bull shit but it's hard to really follow on when I'm trying to enjoy time with my gf on a romantic trip, I've done what I can and I've pushed DECENT things. Ritoky has a great fucking chance at beinf mafia now that he claimed rb while obi most likely did too but you ignore it. You push all this useless shit. You have no idea what makes me town and what makes me mafia just like last game where you thought i was 100% mafia so different insta lynch and I wasn't. You are literally just dwindling away my post count for your own gain. You haven't done anything you said in regards to my defence. You rescinded your points about me and froggy. You made up bs about me pushing things i would do normally etc. I researched the peoples votes and made extra reads on them when you asked me to and then somehow evolving a read on those people makes me scum but so does my stale vote on bunnies and so does my present sending (which apparently you use a heuristic to town read yourself. Yeh fuck that) nothing you say makes any sense. I suggest you drop everything. You leave me the fuck alone. You play the rest of the game in a little corner and either do absolutely nothing and admit you are mafia or post reads about actual people that could be mafia. I'm so tired of your useless shit. I'm not responding to you anymore.
Alright. I've made most of my points against you anyway. If I wish to clarify things about you, I'll make one big post about you and you attack it point by point, and we don't waste more posts on this quarrel. Alright?
Let's consider we are town vs town here. Mafia is probably lurking and letting us kill ourselves.
Who are they?
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You don't have to look at meta to see oats is scummy. No idea why you only have a tiny bit based on his content and those things aren't even the things that make oats scummy.
However, bunnies didnt explain shit on her change which makes me think it is really bad. So too scum to be scum.
On December 12 2014 22:13 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.
His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. explain pls. Im not feeling it.
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
It's things like this where he tries to shut down wagons (on conveniently town wagons (pending ff isn't gf or something) based on really just nothing. It's worse when he tries to shit on the ff lynch because of his post count and not the content especially as there were lots of content cases on ff at that point and i don't think it was till after vivax called him out that he started adding more reasons why the lynch was bad (the nk analysis things etc).
He is just uninvolved and downplaying lynches to end up only lynching lurkers.
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I think we have a roleblock in mafia and in town it would be a small chance of that happening and that why we got so few kills last night. There is no medic our set up but we got a roleblock who can save a person life in Nigella Lawson who roleblock and prevents people from dieing when she roleblocks people. There is chance we got her in our power roles left and mafia could have a Patronising Prick who just roleblocks.
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