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On November 15 2014 03:10 KillerSOS wrote:
Noob at paint or mafia? 
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On November 15 2014 03:11 KillerSOS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2014 03:11 The_Templar wrote:On November 15 2014 03:10 KillerSOS wrote: Noob at paint or mafia? Both q_q
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On November 15 2014 03:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Jesus if you write like I'll never be able to read you
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On November 15 2014 05:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/B7k0x3a.png) No excuses Templar. I'm on a trackpad too.
On a laptop? >.>
Also I'm using paintbrush
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On November 15 2014 23:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Meh
I've downloaded a paint app but I can't copy the URL imgur gives to me.
Does anyone have any idea of what to do?
I have the same problem on my phone T_T
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On November 17 2014 13:05 Damdred wrote:
I'm tempted
Do it, the 4 hour game was very disappointing
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On November 17 2014 13:25 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2014 13:06 The_Templar wrote:On November 17 2014 13:05 Damdred wrote:
I'm tempted Do it, the 4 hour game was very disappointing IDK it was a pretty satisfying 20 minutes for me
Weren't you drunk/afk the entire game? :D
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On November 17 2014 13:33 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2014 13:28 The_Templar wrote:On November 17 2014 13:25 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 17 2014 13:06 The_Templar wrote:On November 17 2014 13:05 Damdred wrote:
I'm tempted Do it, the 4 hour game was very disappointing IDK it was a pretty satisfying 20 minutes for me Weren't you drunk/afk the entire game? :D + Show Spoiler +
You should have done this in MSpaint, would be better IMO
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By the way, there's a 50/50 chance I'm not taking this game seriously 
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On November 18 2014 12:33 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2014 12:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm not sure if the novelty of paint votes and such won't wear off before the end. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Po5CIS0.png)
The_Templar level of paint skill right here
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I'll be there right up until the deadline (unless my schedule is odd) but then I'll be gone for 6-8 hours because of sleep.
On days that I'm LR'ing in the morning or I have an early class, I will miss the deadline by 2-4 hours
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Update: I may not be here very much until about 16-17 hours after day 1 begins. If I am, it will be a few hours after day 1 begins, tomorrow is pretty packed.
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I woke up and read the thread but I'm so confused now. I see your scum reads but I actually do not understand why anyone looks scummy at all for the first three hours. Pretty much entirely neutral reads save maybe one or two in that time period, maybe I should read it again.
Pre-post edit: I read the last few pages in reverse order and it mostly made sense. Hmm. This post is being made using information up to this post.
VE looks suspicious to me. Disclaimer: I am a terrible player
On November 20 2014 17:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Holyflare knows that me being sure of my reads doesn't make me scum. He knows this. I can't fathom why he'd call me scummy if he's town. I literally can't.
Because, in some games of mafia, people use slightly different logic and games turn out differently than others! Woah!
On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town.
Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ.
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle.
I think this is a terrible mindset! There are 44 hours left in the day and you believe solved part of the game with certainty? Well, I would not give up your vote this soon in the day. It makes you look really weird in my eyes because you're only doing it to make your point that you believe that Holyflare is scummy... which you've already established pretty well. Should he show himself to be towny later on, you'd feel silly.
So are you going to continue pressure on Hopeless or do you think he's made enough mistakes to look mafia until you vote him off?
On November 20 2014 17:51 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not you, I don't 100% commit to my reads that easily I'm not 100% committed to my read. LMAO
On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle.
Which of these is the lie? Also
On November 20 2014 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not even dealing in absolutes.
On November 20 2014 16:39 VisceraEyes wrote:He's probably still mafia. But HF first. Because he's a danger to town. Hopeless is just a danger of being annoyingly defensive. HF will lead you into oblivion.
On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I know that these posts are an hour apart, but I don't think you can say someone is probably mafia but predict they will flip town.
On November 20 2014 15:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez drew a picture of me <3
Chez top town FOR LIFE!!!!!!
This is a useless post, but it's OK because you 'contributed' and didn't start out with filler.
On November 20 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Post 100 in this quicktopic proves that Hopeless CAN NOT think I'm mafia here for thinking he's mafia because he's seen me play this game THIS WAY RECENTLY. It's true that the circumstances are a little different, I had replaced into that game and there was a lot of stuff to draw from in the thread - the salient point though is that I found a mafia for what may SEEM to be shaky reasoning IMMEDIATELY and pushed on it hard against one of the louder voices in the thread. IMMEDIATELY. He knows this is how I play as town, and now he would have you believe that he thinks I'm mafia. Don't believe his lies.
I don't play metagame mafia (because I can't) but I'm interested in how definitive this post sounds.
Anyway I don't have time right now for the rest of you because the Hot6ix cup is on, but I just found it interesting how much VE has dominated the thread while being... inconsistent.
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On November 20 2014 18:22 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:08 The_Templar wrote:
Disclaimer: I am a terrible player
Sorry man, this is all I got out of that post. Like, this isn't hard. I think HF is mafia. I think Hopeless is mafia. I prefer to lynch Holyflare. I did lie when I said I would vote no one else. That's me trying to manipulate the rest of town into voting for Holyflare. I'm absolutely also willing to lynch Hopeless. I'm very inconsistent. But that doesn't make me mafia. I don't expect you to know that, since you gave the disclaimer and all.
Considering the entire post was about you, I'm not surprised you only read the disclaimer.
As I said, I don't know anyone's meta and I'm not interested in it. I only pointed out your inconsistency despite seeming certain all the time.
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HF, do you think I am scummy?
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On November 20 2014 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:29 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wwhy the fuck would being absolute be scummy?
i must be mafia in every game then.... are you dense or some shit? read the thread No u. I know exactly what ve has said and there is nothing scummy in it. So either you are twisting the facts which makes you mafia, or maybe you should read the thread... Or maybe you just went insane. Idk yet. But we should still kill templar. I'll explain when i get off work and then you can all sheep me and i can be confirmed town.
You're pretty confident in me being mafia off one post
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On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:really wtf is with the votes
Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad?
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On November 20 2014 18:59 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6nl9cSB.png?2) really wtf is with the votes Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad? stop trying to look active. what are u going to achieve by asking me these questions? There is no reason to vote hope the votes are bad same thing LOL What was the point of your question mafia? i change my vote templar is mafai
Those are completely different. I am not active, because you said I'm not active, so I won't bother to answer your post now. Maybe if you remind me later I will
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On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote:
So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up.
VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.
I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.
liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
Rayn confirmed that I am mafia based on that one post because he is such a good town player.
I rarely see games where a town will act like liancourt is right now, especially on day 1. Will he really try to contribute to the discussion at all? He doesn't even seem to have a reason for doing this, but he is OK with calling me out for being mafia based on inactivity when I'm trying my best to ask questions that are somewhat relevant.
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On November 20 2014 19:32 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:28 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 19:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 19:22 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 19:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 19:00 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't understand how you can call someone mafia for defending someone WHEN YOU ADMIT YOU EXAGGERATED EVERYTHING TO PRESSURE HIM. looooooooooool I didn't exaggerate my read Holyflare, I still think he's mafia for it. I was just exaggerating how certain I am of it - I'm NOT certain of it, it's just my read. And further, I'm not saying you're mafia FOR defending Hopeless. My reasoning is clear and explicit. I'm saying your mafia for defending Hopeless FOR BAD REASON (saying that something that IS objectively scummy is NOT objectively scummy) AT A WEIRD TIME (right after you acquired a scumread of him yourself, in response to MY pressure of him) WHILE SCUMREADING HIM! Holyflare Jesus Christ, I never have to spell shit out for you multiple times like this. Maybe you are town. :/ Feigning contribution is scummy yes, but nowhere did he do that at the time you had said he had done that. The start of the game does not count towards feigning contribution when all he's done is comment on a snowflake in the first hour of the game. That doesn't make anyone mafia ever and was a bs EXAGGERATED read that I do not and will not ever agree on. People have done the exact same thing as town in many many many many many more games so it's not OBJECTIVELY scummy at all, it's entirely subjective because it's what you think which goes against the actual facts. There's quite a difference between scum reading someone for what you said and scum reading him for something entirely different. He might not end up being scum and then I can look back and remember that your pressure was far more exacerbated than it should have been in that situation. Telling you that your initial logic for scum reading him was bad has nothing to do with him looking scummy for his reaction. It's an observation. Well bolded is just your opinion just like my opinion is that Hopeless' early posting is scummy. I don't think the read is exaggerated at all, I think the posts I pointed out CLEARLY illustrate Hopeless trying to blend in. But I guess you're right, that's my opinion. But the italicized is obviously an exaggeration because no one has ever made the post Hopeless made in response to Chez because Hopeless has never made that post in any other game in response to Chez. People have done SIMILAR things, but no one has done "the exact same" thing ever. See how easy that is to just switch on? Like, it doesn't matter if you're exaggerating or not, you're just making a point right? My logic wasn't bad - you disagree with the severity of the infringement in the posts I pointed out, but the logic is fucking sound Holyflare. That's why I say you're repeatedly trying to discredit me...because you're saying things that are blatantly untrue in an attempt to make me look bad - WHILE I find someone who YOU find suspicious...suspicious. Why? Why are you doing that? your read is crap VE. because if you actually believe your read then you should have the same one on me; yet i didn't even make the reads post of yours. your read is predicated on HF not finding hopeless scummy for the reasons you pointed out early, but finding him scummy for his reaction to being called out. which is almost the exact same response i had. remember where i was calling you out until hopeless reacted to you and then i rescinded on you cuz i found his post crap? that was the basis or your original read on HF, so it should also be on me. the fact that you don't evenly apply it means you're mafia or you're fabricating to push your OGI feelings. I don't even know what you just said here. Which read are you even referring to? My read of Holyflare? So you think Holyflare is town then I guess? Cool. I disagree. I don't have to think you're the same alignment because you're different players and Holyflare is a MUCH better player than you are. No offense intended. I am saying that your initial holyflare is scum read was: VE thinks hopeless is scum for early posts and reactions. HF thinks hopeless is scum only for the reactions. VE thinks HF is scummy for that. I had literally the exact same process and even argued it with you, but you didn't apply the scum read to me. I am saying that you're not applying your criteria for someone being scum evenly, which is suspect. capital much is a bit much, i will accept lower-case much. I did though, for a second. Remember back when I asked you if you thought I was mafia and you dodged the question? That happened man. But the way you backed off it after Hopeless' reaction made me lean town on you, where HF deigned to continue to call me scummy for it. See the difference?
I suppose that is reasonable.
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On November 20 2014 19:41 liancourt wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ctst7UP.png)
I can't read this
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On November 20 2014 19:43 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:40 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote:
So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up.
VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.
I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.
liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
Rayn confirmed that I am mafia based on that one post because he is such a good town player. I rarely see games where a town will act like liancourt is right now, especially on day 1. Will he really try to contribute to the discussion at all? He doesn't even seem to have a reason for doing this, but he is OK with calling me out for being mafia based on inactivity when I'm trying my best to ask questions that are somewhat relevant. put ur vote where ur mouth is stop beating around the bush
I'm busy right now working on the LR for the Hot6ix cup. I'll vote later
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On November 20 2014 19:50 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:40 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote:
So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up.
VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.
I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.
liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
Rayn confirmed that I am mafia based on that one post because he is such a good town player. I rarely see games where a town will act like liancourt is right now, especially on day 1. Will he really try to contribute to the discussion at all? He doesn't even seem to have a reason for doing this, but he is OK with calling me out for being mafia based on inactivity when I'm trying my best to ask questions that are somewhat relevant. No let me clarify I said your post means nothing to me, as in I dont see it making you town or scum. Thats why I said both rayn and you were null for me. Im just curious what rayn has to say
I'm saying Rayn already saw my post and said I was mafia based on it. Then he started posting everything based on my being mafia.
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On November 20 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town. Slam is town.
We can kill Templar because of that mafia post.
ritoky i am the king of vague statements.
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Admittedly you only made one post after that one that even referred to your 100% mafia read on me
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On November 20 2014 19:05 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:01 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 18:59 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote: really wtf is with the votes Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad? stop trying to look active. what are u going to achieve by asking me these questions? There is no reason to vote hope the votes are bad same thing LOL What was the point of your question mafia? i change my vote templar is mafai Those are completely different. I am not active, because you said I'm not active, so I won't bother to answer your post now. Maybe if you remind me later I will ur reacting like a mafia who's been caught red handed u arent reacting to pressure very well = mafia u are fucking off and ignoring what players say = mafia temp[lar = mafia
- Since when have I ever reacted to pressure well? In any game.
- No, I'm ignoring what you say, because your posting is effortless.
- Your second point is pretty close to what you're doing.
I don't like your posts.
On November 20 2014 19:50 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:43 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 19:40 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote:
So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up.
VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.
I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.
liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
Rayn confirmed that I am mafia based on that one post because he is such a good town player. I rarely see games where a town will act like liancourt is right now, especially on day 1. Will he really try to contribute to the discussion at all? He doesn't even seem to have a reason for doing this, but he is OK with calling me out for being mafia based on inactivity when I'm trying my best to ask questions that are somewhat relevant. put ur vote where ur mouth is stop beating around the bush I'm busy right now working on the LR for the Hot6ix cup. I'll vote later all words with no back up ur afraid to vote me first because u know i'm town arent u mafia want to bandwagon their votes and u want to bandwagon me when there are a few votes on me. My lynch hasn't gotten traction yet and ur making excuses to postpone ur voting so u dont look suspicious when u vote me Everyone is shitting themselves because they really have no fucking idea what the fuck I'm doing and u are shitting bricks
This is the worst in a series of low-content, low-effort, low-grammar posts that you've made today.
If I wanted to lynch you immediately, I would have voted you right there and then. Order isn't important when voting, and only agreeing to vote when I get someone else to vote first always looks suspicious. Your last sentence is garbage.
Most of your other points are basically related to my play style and are null.
Know that I only vote when I have a good reason and someone is pressuring me to vote.
On November 20 2014 19:46 liancourt wrote:
i'm playing the be the biggest dick in the thread so that everyone votes me meta
is it working guys?
has my douche persona reached ur darling hearts?
Here I'll help you
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I don't want to play with jerks.
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On November 21 2014 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
well instead (seeing as you are under pressure of being scummy) you should perhaps be answering the questions you are posing to other people instead or at least talking about anything that's happened in the entire game seeing as you've only defended yourself and then gone to bed and returned to ask a few questions I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie. had to post this... lol you don't even know why i think he is mafia. which in and of itself bothers me. I have 1 post to go on for "why rayn thinks templar is mafia". I think that post was townie, so I disagree with you and think you look bad. It can wait, have your conversation with holyflare. So you are claiming scum? Why is my case bad? You called it bad now tell me why is it bad.
You haven't made your case yet, so it's bad until you show him it's good. That's what I think anyway.
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Rayn, I said that I didn't understand the thread at first and it only made any sense if I read it backwards.
I have lots of excuses for being a bad player because, surprise, I am a bad player. We can't all be as good as you are.
I linked that post because I wrote for a long time and I expected more activity
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On November 21 2014 02:23 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote:
HOpeless rayn has posed his case will ou please answer me now? Templar isnt deadset on scumreading VE, he's just pointing out a bunch of things that show VE to be inconsistent. He's not really pushing an agenda, and I agree with basically everything he posted. Scum dont make that kind of post, they either call VE scum or pressure or do something. Templar just drops it at the end like he couldnt care less.
I said "here's what I think about one player, but I can't discuss it right now." I certainly care about what I write...
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On November 21 2014 02:27 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:23 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote:
HOpeless rayn has posed his case will ou please answer me now? Templar isnt deadset on scumreading VE, he's just pointing out a bunch of things that show VE to be inconsistent. He's not really pushing an agenda, and I agree with basically everything he posted. Scum dont make that kind of post, they either call VE scum or pressure or do something. Templar just drops it at the end like he couldnt care less. I said "here's what I think about one player, but I can't discuss it right now." I certainly care about what I write...
Ebwop: didn't you just town read me? This post looks like reasoning for a vote
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On November 21 2014 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:25 The_Templar wrote:
Rayn, I said that I didn't understand the thread at first and it only made any sense if I read it backwards.
I have lots of excuses for being a bad player because, surprise, I am a bad player. We can't all be as good as you are.
I linked that post because I wrote for a long time and I expected more activity Also this: What did you think would happen in a full 20 minutes? Like VE just claims town everywhere and your case becomes really bad?
I don't know Rayn, it was 4am
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On November 21 2014 02:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So templar did you or did you not think VE is mafia when you made your post?
I was leaning mafia
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On November 21 2014 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also also why are you voting for a townie? Over a dude you have a case on?
I'm threatening lian since he doesn't seem to want to play the game. I am probably not lynching him, and I would rather lynch VE currently
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On November 21 2014 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:41 The_Templar wrote:On November 21 2014 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 02:25 The_Templar wrote:
Rayn, I said that I didn't understand the thread at first and it only made any sense if I read it backwards.
I have lots of excuses for being a bad player because, surprise, I am a bad player. We can't all be as good as you are.
I linked that post because I wrote for a long time and I expected more activity Also this: What did you think would happen in a full 20 minutes? Like VE just claims town everywhere and your case becomes really bad? I don't know Rayn, it was 4am Of course you know. You wrote the thing in question. thrawn is the only one who can use the "idk" excuse and he has 2/3 strikes already.
Fine. I thought my case might be obsolete by the time I posted it as I was going pretty slowly.
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On November 21 2014 03:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
really dislike sicklucker
"VE totally believes what he's saying"
"I have no idea what VE said or why he said it"
Those aren't exclusive.
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On November 21 2014 04:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
I kinda like rayn's posts on templar. Can anyone tell me how many games templar has played? If not I'll just check the database.
I'll admit I skimmed over a few of the essays people posted but from what I can tell VE is cool, rayn is cool, HF is ok, cheeze disappeared after realizing his art is inferior to mine so meh/null. Lian is lame but probably just lame town like others have said. Does slam have any meta regarding activity? It seems he has excuses for now but I wish he would post more.
I kinda want to policy lynch licksucker but that's based on an active game so it can wait.
no hard scumreads atm but people I will be looking at:
sicklucker
templar
hopeless
slam
cheeze sandwich
and the lurkers
and yes I am caught up
I played a TL+ game, Twitterverse Mini, Mission Mini, and 4 hour mafia. The TL+ one is not listed. I can try to describe it if you'd like.
On November 21 2014 04:50 sicklucker wrote:
Ok im on bored the templar scum train. Not rushing through the thread this time. Saying your bad in the second line of your first post and you didnt read it properly. I dont expect this from a 30k post guy. I expect him to have played a few games before can anyone tell me the meta here?. He never commits to his reads which is what id expect mafia to do. Also gives a end of post excuse to ignore the game and not read it in "the right direction"
30k posts is completely irrelevant. I am still not a good mafia player and I admit it.
I would like you to admit you made up that bolded part, because I said I didn't have time for everyone else at that time.
On November 21 2014 04:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
Okay I'll accept your olive branch but less blue hunting and random percentages that don't help, please.
Who is this directed at?
On November 21 2014 05:32 sicklucker wrote:
Random ok heres who I like.
Rayn- Like his reads doing his usual aggressive townshit the fact he was the first one to call ve town I liked verymuch
FF- He accepted peace after a rocky game thats very towny to me
ve- Insanely confident I have a hard time believing he goes that hard on nothing if hes mafia.
ritoky - My top town I think Hes trying to keep the peace and get that horribly overreacted fight done with. I dont think a mafia ever has the balls or the motive to keep the peace when we have people threatening to veggie shoot people two hours into the gamee.
Who I dont like
Lian- Pretty self explanatory+ I already said why
templar - Said a few posts back
Holyflare - Over defensive not willing to commit to a scum read
Rest are null
I find these to be very bad reads.
AFAIK Rayn always plays like this so I am still reading him as null. He is probably the only person I will check through a previous game of, preferably one of his games as mafia so I can see any differences.
FF: Don't base your reads on other games.
VE: No comment but I disagree.
ritoky: He's trying to keep the peace? Since when is peace helpful? Those vig shot threats were surely meant to create chaos?
Lian: No comment
Holyflare: I interpreted this as 6 scum reads. He's being defensive... because he's being accused. Big surprise there.
On November 21 2014 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 05:50 Holyflare wrote:
Towny looking
7. VisceraEyes
6. raynpelikoneet
14. Alakaslam
8. Fecalfeast
4. liancourt
Could be towny
13. ritoky (maybe up a tier)
11. Chezinu (undecided whether up or down so middle but townyISH)
meh
2. The_Templar
3. KillerSOS
5. Hopeless1der
9. sicklucker
10. GlowingBear
12. Damdred
4 mafia is quite large heh.. you don't have a single scumread?  "how can you miss an obvious scum in templar?" that would be a quite exact quote from FFL2.
What?
On November 21 2014 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 06:16 Damdred wrote:On November 21 2014 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 06:00 Damdred wrote:
I'd have to look but I said aggressive style which a titanic game we played fits the bill rayn.
You always have a meh read on me on d1 hf but i shitposted in that game and tried to "protect" marv/HF as long as i could. i didn't post anything, i just posted a shitton and almost all of the people read me as town and then some fucking dumb vigi (who also read me as town but "didn't like me") shot me. so no, there is nothing like this game. in Titanic IV i posted absolutely 0 analysis on anything. Yes I would agree with you overall but you were still reasonably aggressive, which is what SL is townreading you on being aggressive. I think its null from you and not worth town reading you on content is your key I think but i found mafia. everyone remember this post and lynch (shoot) damdred when i lynch templar and he flips scum.
Too bad that's not happening.
Reading through GB's filter right now.
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Oops, I meant to write more on that first one.
On November 21 2014 04:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
I kinda like rayn's posts on templar. Can anyone tell me how many games templar has played? If not I'll just check the database.
I'll admit I skimmed over a few of the essays people posted but from what I can tell VE is cool, rayn is cool, HF is ok, cheeze disappeared after realizing his art is inferior to mine so meh/null. Lian is lame but probably just lame town like others have said. Does slam have any meta regarding activity? It seems he has excuses for now but I wish he would post more.
I kinda want to policy lynch licksucker but that's based on an active game so it can wait.
no hard scumreads atm but people I will be looking at:
sicklucker
templar
hopeless
slam
cheeze sandwich
and the lurkers
and yes I am caught up
You should go back and re-read VE/Rayn/HF considering they all seem to find huge flaws in each others' arguments from the very beginning.
Why do you want to policy lynch sicklucker?
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On November 21 2014 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi Rayn
I love you
Who is scum?
How common is sheeping Rayn? I haven't actually seen many of his games.
On November 21 2014 02:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok so we are discussing obs qt posts?
Because that's not very accurate instrument to catch mafia. Opinions change from game to game. The solidest proof of what I'm saying was damdreds case on me on Hearthstone. He read me scum for having different opinion from the one I had on FFL 2 mafia, and I was town in both.
Bring me something solid and constant, and thread-only. Reads differ from obs to thread because there is a difference on pressure.
I like this post the most, and it's why I don't like meta-reads. People do change ideas, methods of playing, and the players they are playing against (and their opinions of them), sort of every game. I prefer to stay only inside the thread, so I'm ok with most of the reads on me so far. (Although I have a pretty obvious style of play as both mafia and town that I refuse to/can't change).
While this isn't particularly relevant, it's how I am viewing the game which is probably important if Rayn fails to lynch me today.
On November 21 2014 06:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chezinu following the Chezinu Rule is pretty townie Chezinu imo. Anyone disagree? Like yeah, he could do it as both alignments...but if you assume he's mafia then what do you think that means about Hopeless? And why does he unvote Hopeless only to vote sicklucker if he's mafia?
Anyone disagree with my line of thinking here? Like, if Chez is mafia then the assumption is that Hopeless is town (based on Chez voting for him), so Chez voting for sicklucker (also presumably town for Chez vote) doesn't make much sense if he's mafia. It doesn't really make sense from any perspective other than Hopeless/Chez mafia, which if that's the case then why does he vote for him in the first place?
For the moment I'm going to go ahead and say that I'll never lynch Chezinu today. 1st Paragraph) it's easier for mafia to follow a rule (or policy) than actually putting thought on the game. Following rules seems to be more scummy than townie to me. I can't understand your insistence in calling Chezinu town. I also don't understand why you say that Chezinu is probably town and then assumes it's a null tell right after and justifies calling him town using associative reads. Are you calling him town for using a rule or because you're doing associative reads? These are two different sources of read. Unvoting hopeless to vote sicklucker is a null tell. 2nd) Unflipped association. Lol. I prefer to think this way: "can this be done by a mafia? Is it more likely, less likely or equally likely to do as mafia?" And my answer is Yes and Equally likely. 3rd) For the moment or you're never going to lynch Chezinu? VE, you simply repeated your idea on both first and second paragraph. Your writing style doesn't look fluid, but fabricated, full of hesitation ("does anyone agree?" " for the moment I'll say I'll never lynch him) Meh, I found this post horrible.
Not much to say other than I completely agree with this post. I like how Rayn completely disagreed, and then read it again and suddenly agreed. What the hell did he misread in order to change his opinion that much?
On November 21 2014 06:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i misread something.
That post from VE is a big pile of ???????????????????????????????????????
VE, wtf? LOL NO.
Explain this post
(this is the equivalent of getting being a 6 year old getting called to the principal's office)
On November 21 2014 06:24 GlowingBear wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Us9aAH8.png)
I don't understand this picture.
And no there is no vote count.
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On November 21 2014 08:05 ritoky wrote:
don't like:
lian - claimed mafia, being an unproductive dick. play the game or die. some people said "him being a dick means he is town"; i think that is garbage, i have been a giant dick before as mafia and so have many others. he is clearly reading the thread and refusing to provide content, can't get much worse than that d1. OH WAIT, he claimed mafia with his first post.
hopeless - shit reactions to pressure, overly defensive, made one post recently that was okay; but i don't let go of things very easily, so his shitty reaction sticks with me
fecalfeast - you my friend, were the first person to suggest lynching lurkers! congratulations, welcome to the only policy i have. the person who first suggests lynching lurkers is mafia 86% of the time.
don't understand:
chezinu - why is anyone town reading this guy? like people are hard defending him...and i don't even understand how they got a leaning town on him to begin with.
sicklucker - don't really understand your read on me in the slightest, i spent the early game fighting with VE; i don't feel like a propagator of peace
damdred - weak reads by his standards, fairly passive by his standards, has very narrow focus. not really sure what the hell he is doing right now.
I'm going to look into the bolded ones first, probably followed by sicklucker.
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Liancourt
On November 20 2014 18:20 liancourt wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8NBC8aU.png)
Sick opening post
Figure out how many of the next 6 posts is claiming mafia. Hint: more than 5.
On November 20 2014 18:24 liancourt wrote:
##vote holyflare
just cos i can
On November 20 2014 18:31 liancourt wrote:
i'm bussing u HF :D
to get that sweet town cred :D
On November 20 2014 18:35 liancourt wrote:
no such thing as reasoning on day 1
u go with the chupazi lol
On November 20 2014 18:41 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:39 Holyflare wrote:
lian do something productive please no. i aint reading through past shit. never helped me in the past and no one listened to me anyway so fuck it lol i'm tunneling u for sweet town cred
On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:really wtf is with the votes
On November 20 2014 18:52 liancourt wrote:
stop voting for bloody mafai i'm telling you to bus HF like we had that chat in the quicktopic goddamn it.
Hey look, a decent post!
On November 20 2014 18:56 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 16:04 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 16:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:56 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:53 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:52 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:50 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:49 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:
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claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is.
you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours. This is LITERALLY what you just did to me. I didn't "gotcha" anything about Hopeless, he did some things, and I explained why I thought they made him mafia. I didn't "catch" him doing anything. You're the one who is saying I'm mafia for doing this, and YOU are doing this. What does that make you ritoky? and i think your description of how you formulated a read on hopeless is the exact same process as to how i formed a read on you. doesn't really matter now though, i am less skeptical of you just making crap up after hopeless overreacted. Why do you say I overreacted? On November 20 2014 15:33 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.
What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture? I wanted to know what the painting was in the first one, and then wondered wtf the snowflake was about. On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Is that going to help you get a read on Chez? Not really. On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town. "Implying?" What the fuck is this VE, you have no grounds to call me scum and yet already you're turning confirmation bias bullshit. bolded part is a massive overreaction to someone calling you scum for a shaky reason at best 1 hour in. to me overreactions imply a person has something to hide. He took an already shaky premise and twisted the word "we" into a scumread. That is fucking ludicrous and I will not stand for it. then advance the game in a more positive direction rather than just sitting there whining about it and being defensive? that falls in the OMGUS VE category. But you don't think I'm mafia Hopeless, and if you do that PROVES you're mafia. Because you're a good player and you know that this is how I play as town. As mafia I'm totally different, I lurk hard, and I come in with big posts and then play defense. That's my style, and that's how I win. OR lose. what kind of logic is that lol i think ur mafia, so i must be mafia too lmao
...well it's actually trying to make a point. I approve of this post because it points out how recklessly confident VE is, to the point of being ridiculous. Saying, "I always play like this as town, so you shouldn't think I'm mafia" is basically claiming town. It's also WIFOM, if I correctly understand the definition of this. So, liancourt is perfectly reasonable to ridicule this post.
Continuing wall of 0-content posts:
On November 20 2014 18:59 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote: really wtf is with the votes Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad? stop trying to look active. what are u going to achieve by asking me these questions? There is no reason to vote hope the votes are bad same thing LOL What was the point of your question mafia? i change my vote templar is mafai
NOT ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS
On November 20 2014 19:02 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah this has been pretty productive.
In summary:
I think Hopeless is mafia based on interactions/reaction.
I think Holyflare is mafia based on him defending Hopeless at a weird time (right after he reacts poorly to my pressure) for a weird reason (apparently feigning contribution to appear contributory is NOT scummy?), and under weird circumstances (he agrees that the reaction to his only other scumread is scummy). On top of everything else, he just keeps trying to discredit everything I do and say as senseless when I've been very clear about everything I've done this game.
I think Chez is town because he drew a very cool picture of me. Also he pointed out Hopeless and I agreed with him.
Rayn will explain his thoughts and then I'll give my read on rayn.
I have no idea what lian is doing. But he's voting for HF so we can be friends for now.
Templar's post is bad, but I don't think it makes him mafia. It's an awful big post and a lot of effort for mafia to go to. IF he's mafia then why does he make that post? Like, I'm not the lynch today in any world, ever. If he wants to fight me about that fine - but why does he do that as mafia?
Yes I've exaggerated a bit about how sure I am of my reads, but the reasoning is in the thread - if you disagree with it fine, just say why. Yo Mafia is bussing each other like hard ons ve hf hope templar mafia
He asked everyone "wtf are you voting hopeless" earlier. I don't think he clarified why he subtly switched to mafia.
On November 20 2014 19:08 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm going to bed, liancourt seems scummy to me. I'd unvote ve but im on my phone. fucks off and gives no reason why i'm scummy just flinging shit around = mafia
Reminds me of someone...
On November 20 2014 19:58 liancourt wrote:
u dont even know whats so scummy about me
u just dont understand why i'm doing this so u vote me lol
no wait...ur voting me because i piggy backed on someone calling u salty
stop being salty and play the game
We are only 1/3 of the way through day 1 so having this many terrible, scummy posts is actually quite impressive.
Anyway, I have a gut feeling that he might come back and start cleaning up his mess instead of spreading it across the room, but I'm likely to be keeping my vote on him until he either does so or dies.
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On November 21 2014 08:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Templur, it's a red rain.
I thought it was self explanatory
Oh. I thought blood for some reason >.>
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On November 21 2014 08:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm just going to throw it out there that I didn't say we should lynch the lurkers, I said I wanted to look at them. Which means I want them to post.
I liked that part of the post
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On November 21 2014 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh I didn't see your question templar. I want(ed) to lynch licksucker because of things that may or may not change based on the result of the other active game. Which, again I will not talk about.
Right, sorry.
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On November 21 2014 08:33 liancourt wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vUPCbOE.png)
Replace lian with Templar and you've got it!
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On November 21 2014 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:
I find funny that people are ignoring my scumread on both VE and Rayn. Lol
I find that perfectly reasonable though
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On November 21 2014 08:51 liancourt wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KC1ZMHN.png)
are you actually reading my posts?
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On November 21 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:
No, he is just cluttering the thread :/
Ok just checking. You know, you're sort of doing that too.
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On November 21 2014 08:30 liancourt wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rIhsh8D.png)
Are you saying I'm going OMGUS?
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On November 21 2014 09:08 liancourt wrote:
damn straight
i first accused you and now ur accusing me of things that are universally true.
not that hard to make a case on me lol
Maybe you should start playing the game then.
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On November 21 2014 20:58 sicklucker wrote:
That was just an inside joke because I just mislynched him and he was salty about it. In that game he also tried to vote me out with all the new players because of a "scumslip" Those reads are terrible from my limited experience.
The fact I was the bigger man and made peace with him when he was actually pissed at me... Thats where I got my ff read from
Can we not base our reads on stuff related to other games, unless it's important meta?
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On November 21 2014 23:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've been a part of every MAJOR interaction in the game. You call me mafia when you are giving reads without reading the fucking game. I've been giving reads and giving reasoning for my reads all game. ALL game. My INTRO into the game was me giving my opinion about someone. There is literallly zero reason to think I'm mafia, if you only read the game.
On November 20 2014 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
So my first instinct when I want to appear active as mafia is to just get in the thread and comment on something - ANYTHING. Like, it doesn't even have to be important, it just has to be a random comment about something happening in the thread.
As town to appear active your first instinct is to just post. But that's different from the above. What mafia want to do is comment on something. Because it can be seen as some kind of contribution. Townies will post just anything.
Hmmm...
So VE, when are you going to explain your vote? Or did I just miss it?
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On November 22 2014 00:07 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 00:04 Holyflare wrote:
you've done nothing to say why i'm mafia at all and have stuck to that useless read for the entire game for no reason despite me explaining everything perfectly adequately That's the problem. You're "explaining it adequately" HF you're not telling the truth. You're "expaining" everything, not giving the truth. imo
He explained his actions "perfectly adequately". There's no difference in telling the truth about what he did and explaining it, except the latter might give more detail.
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On November 22 2014 00:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyone saying that I'm suspicious is wrong. Everything I've done has been townie. LMAO
Except refusing to ever, ever change your vote because of a read you did a few hours into the game... Now we've spent the majority of day 1 talking about this one scum read you have of him and ignoring half the players in the game.
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Rayn,
learn to read.
On November 21 2014 02:42 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also also why are you voting for a townie? Over a dude you have a case on? I'm threatening lian since he doesn't seem to want to play the game. I am probably not lynching him, and I would rather lynch VE currently
Since lian is still doing nothing despite having led in votes, I'm going to go with my scum read.
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EBWOP
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EBWOP #2 since I linked the wrong image
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On November 22 2014 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's not ignoring me he's correctly reading me town.
Regardless of whether you're town or mafia, mafia is more likely to read you town than town is because you confused the issue for half of the entire day.
So basically, you sheeping someone is a really bad idea
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Any reason, or are you just sheeping?
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On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia.
sort of unfortunate you don't have a normal game where I was mafia to compare too
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On November 22 2014 03:15 sicklucker wrote:
Well why are you town. I had you on my scum list I dont think you should be shocked. I can always unvote if you come off towny here
No you didn't...
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On November 22 2014 03:23 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 03:15 sicklucker wrote:
Well why are you town. I had you on my scum list I dont think you should be shocked. I can always unvote if you come off towny here No you didn't...
You took credit for someone else mentioning that I could be scum, then you said "I'm bored of templar let's talk about someone else"
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MysteryMeat, your paint skills are inferior to sentinel
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On November 22 2014 04:04 sicklucker wrote:
Templar thats just a lie quote plz I think your mistaking me for someone else
No, you're right. I misread your post due to bad spelling
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On November 21 2014 04:50 sicklucker wrote:
Ok im on bored the templar scum train. Not rushing through the thread this time. Saying your bad in the second line of your first post and you didnt read it properly. I dont expect this from a 30k post guy. I expect him to have played a few games before can anyone tell me the meta here?. He never commits to his reads which is what id expect mafia to do. Also gives a end of post excuse to ignore the game and not read it in "the right direction"
I thought this said "Ok I am bored of the templar scum train"
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This post is mostly a further case on VE, and the rest is a defense. Since a lot of my activity this game has involved VE being very obviously scummy, the two are intertwined.
The main problem with not voting VE is that he's not only inconsistent and overconfident, he's also blowing things out of proportion and even occasionally lying.
On November 20 2014 18:08 The_Templar wrote:I woke up and read the thread but I'm so confused now. I see your scum reads but I actually do not understand why anyone looks scummy at all for the first three hours. Pretty much entirely neutral reads save maybe one or two in that time period, maybe I should read it again. Pre-post edit: I read the last few pages in reverse order and it mostly made sense. Hmm. This post is being made using information up to this post.VE looks suspicious to me. Disclaimer: I am a terrible player Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Holyflare knows that me being sure of my reads doesn't make me scum. He knows this. I can't fathom why he'd call me scummy if he's town. I literally can't. Because, in some games of mafia, people use slightly different logic and games turn out differently than others! Woah! Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town.
Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ.
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. I think this is a terrible mindset! There are 44 hours left in the day and you believe solved part of the game with certainty? Well, I would not give up your vote this soon in the day. It makes you look really weird in my eyes because you're only doing it to make your point that you believe that Holyflare is scummy... which you've already established pretty well. Should he show himself to be towny later on, you'd feel silly. So are you going to continue pressure on Hopeless or do you think he's made enough mistakes to look mafia until you vote him off? Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:51 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 17:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not you, I don't 100% commit to my reads that easily I'm not 100% committed to my read. LMAO Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. Which of these is the lie? Also Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not even dealing in absolutes. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 16:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 16:38 Alakaslam wrote:
VE what about hopeless1der He's probably still mafia. But HF first. Because he's a danger to town. Hopeless is just a danger of being annoyingly defensive. HF will lead you into oblivion. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I know that these posts are an hour apart, but I don't think you can say someone is probably mafia but predict they will flip town. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez drew a picture of me <3
Chez top town FOR LIFE!!!!!! This is a useless post, but it's OK because you 'contributed' and didn't start out with filler. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Post 100 in this quicktopic proves that Hopeless CAN NOT think I'm mafia here for thinking he's mafia because he's seen me play this game THIS WAY RECENTLY. It's true that the circumstances are a little different, I had replaced into that game and there was a lot of stuff to draw from in the thread - the salient point though is that I found a mafia for what may SEEM to be shaky reasoning IMMEDIATELY and pushed on it hard against one of the louder voices in the thread. IMMEDIATELY. He knows this is how I play as town, and now he would have you believe that he thinks I'm mafia. Don't believe his lies. I don't play metagame mafia (because I can't) but I'm interested in how definitive this post sounds. Anyway I don't have time right now for the rest of you because the Hot6ix cup is on, but I just found it interesting how much VE has dominated the thread while being... inconsistent.
My first post after the game began.
Some of the points that are considered weird/bad/scummy:
-The disclaimer
-The link to the previous post
-I misread this post, which made part of my case more confusing On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
-I called out VE for bad posting which is apparently blasphemous
Now, I believe that I already explained the disclaimer and the link, and nobody seemed to actually read my post -.-' so the clarity is unimportant.
My reasoning for making this post was that I would prefer to start out the game with some measure of clarity. When VE opened in the way he did, it pushed half of the players in the game completely out of my field of vision solely because of how many different things he said. I didn't even realize that some players like Chezinu had made posts, even after I re-read, even though he makes some of the first posts in the game. This made me feel uncomfortable to say the least.
VE has consistently tried to take, at the very least, more than his fair share of the spotlight. First he hinted at reasoning behind agreeing with someone in order to grab attention. Then he came up with a moderately large analysis post out of almost nothing. He refuses to actually change his mind about anything so far, and when he wants to, he just switches to a different subject that has a partly established opinion to look like his opinions are stronger or more correct.
Especially this, which I feel the need to bring up again since he has randomly decided that sheeping Rayn is a good idea instead of actually showing his *real* evidence against HF. And yes, he is sheeping Rayn, that's pretty obvious at this point I think.
On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town.
Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ.
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle.
This is also the last thing he said concerning me before randomly agreeing with rayn.
On November 20 2014 18:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Templar's post is bad, but I don't think it makes him mafia. It's an awful big post and a lot of effort for mafia to go to. IF he's mafia then why does he make that post? Like, I'm not the lynch today in any world, ever. If he wants to fight me about that fine - but why does he do that as mafia?
As he has not explained a damn thing since 5am yesterday morning, I don't expect him to actually answer this with anything but "you're so wrong", but I would like to ask: Why has one of rayn's case on me, which has not changed, or liancourt being "town", which is a really bad thing to assume, suddenly convinced you that I would be a good lynch? Is there some reason I'm not seeing at all?
And don't answer that it was your idea that Lian is town. That would be referring to this post:
On November 21 2014 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 03:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
absolutely riveting VE. anything new with your reads? Rayns posting makes him look town to me. I think I agree with his townread of lian, but mainly because in the last game he was scum and was much more amicable with town...in a pacifying kind of way. Very unlike what he's doing in this game. I don't like necessarily what he's doing in the thread (just trying to make everyone angry) but like rayn I think he's probably town.
Your case in this post is that since he was trying in a game where he happened to be mafia, he shouldn't be mafia since he's not trying. That is a terrible case.
I am only pointing this sheep out because VE was extremely confident at the beginning of the day but doesn't seem to have an original idea at this point to follow. So, something about his play at the beginning of the day is justifiably off, as I said.
Back to the post I made at the beginning:
I think this is a terrible mindset! There are 44 hours left in the day and you believe solved part of the game with certainty? Well, I would not give up your vote this soon in the day. It makes you look really weird in my eyes because you're only doing it to make your point that you believe that Holyflare is scummy... which you've already established pretty well. Should he show himself to be towny later on, you'd feel silly.
So are you going to continue pressure on Hopeless or do you think he's made enough mistakes to look mafia until you vote him off?
My point at this part of the post is that VE is suspicious as he pushed Holyflare until he over-reacted. This is justified by the fact that, after I wrote this, he continued to push HF but never actually made a REAL, detailed case on him, only repeating over and over that he was obviously bad.
Now, I only think this is suspicious because of partly where and mostly when it happened. The beginning of day 1 is not the time to say you are quite sure about something, you don't say you're keeping your vote on someone for the remaining 44 hours of the day, and you DON'T make "strong early reads" at the beginning of the game, at least not in the way he was doing it. His original vote was based on...
A bad paint drawing.
On November 20 2014 13:54 Chezinu wrote:
On November 20 2014 13:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
is that an iceberg or a water monster?
As my serious side showed up for this game and not my entertaining side, I would rather not distinguish between the one person that makes paint in response to paint, and the person that asks for clarification on the paint. Heck, you could reverse your opinion and say that asking for clarification is towny and that imitation of someone else's work in such a way is scummy.
On November 20 2014 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
VE ELABORATE OR I LYNCH YOU
On November 20 2014 14:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
so hopeless wundurr is scum because he tried to be serious? (Just mentioning that this was completely ignored despite being a huge overreaction)
Now, Hopeless's reaction was actually really far from an overreaction.
On November 20 2014 15:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE colored me green, I see no reason to comment further.
(Obviously not serious)
On November 20 2014 15:10 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
And yo, Chez is the one with the case on you Hopeless. Gotta respond to him. I just agree with him. lol wut. there is no case, there's me seeing a ridiculous picture and wondering "what the fuck?"
I'm guessing this is the one line response that you see as the "overreaction". I'll come back to this.
On November 20 2014 15:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.
What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture? Is that going to help you get a read on Chez?
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town. I think you are overjustifying way too hard.
Unless you have huge knowledge bombs to drop, I don't see anything wrong with this in context. You are voting him based on a few bad paints that other people made, after all. Making a serious case based on that an hour into the game is easily perceived as trying too hard.
Back to the most serious post he made in that time period. Since the paint is unclear, I don't see any problem with wondering "what the hell is this supposed to be?" After all, I thought the same thing while re-reading the thread. I'm pretty sure most of us did. And he was the only person to even respond to that particular post, fecal was focusing on mysterious snowflakes.
On November 20 2014 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.
What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture? Is that going to help you get a read on Chez?
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town. I think you are overjustifying way too hard. It's one observation. How can ONE observation about ONE thing you've done be "overjustification"? That's complete nonsense LMAO
This is an overreaction to the "overreaction". Isn't that funny.
So basically, VE makes a case based on general human behavior and votes hopeless, who doesn't think that anything that has been done matters at this point. Honestly, I'm OK with the pressure vote, but after that he was clearly tunneling and trying to find a reason to keep pushing his case which shouldn't be the case.
Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez drew a picture of me <3
Chez top town FOR LIFE!!!!!!
This is a useless post, but it's OK because you 'contributed' and didn't start out with filler.
I said this in jest to try to make the point that his picture-drawning case was completely worthless. He was obviously trying to take his case too far.
I don't play metagame mafia (because I can't) but I'm interested in how definitive this post sounds.
Anyway I don't have time right now for the rest of you because the Hot6ix cup is on, but I just found it interesting how much VE has dominated the thread while being... inconsistent.
Yes this part looks dumb. I said this because I made a mistake in Mission mafia by making a large post similar to this before leaving for a while without clarifying anything, and people said my post looked scum. So at the time, I thought that clarifying that I wouldn't be able to answer questions about it would be better.
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On November 22 2014 04:59 sicklucker wrote:
I think asumeing Lian is town because hes playing so badly is a really bad idea. I can understand people thinking hes null because of it but town?
I agree with this by the way
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Further defense since that last post ended up accusing VE more than anything else:
On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote: really wtf is with the votes Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad? On November 20 2014 18:59 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote: really wtf is with the votes Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad? stop trying to look active. what are u going to achieve by asking me these questions? There is no reason to vote hope the votes are bad same thing LOL What was the point of your question mafia? i change my vote templar is mafai
I asked this question because:
-the reasoning on the votes that liancourtboy was surprised at was shaky, and I wanted to know what he actually thought about Hopeless instead of dodging the issue while criticizing people. He might have been thinking Hopeless could be mafia, for a completely different reason.
-I wanted to know if liancourtyboy was paying any attention or if he was more likely to be a liability to the town.
So NO, liancourtyboy, there is definitely a difference. Next time pay attention. If I was seriously asking a question as simple as that one looked to a casual such as yourself, I would serve no purpose in this game so you have no reason to laugh at me.
On November 20 2014 19:58 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:50 sicklucker wrote:On November 20 2014 19:40 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote:
So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up.
VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.
I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.
liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
Rayn confirmed that I am mafia based on that one post because he is such a good town player. I rarely see games where a town will act like liancourt is right now, especially on day 1. Will he really try to contribute to the discussion at all? He doesn't even seem to have a reason for doing this, but he is OK with calling me out for being mafia based on inactivity when I'm trying my best to ask questions that are somewhat relevant. No let me clarify I said your post means nothing to me, as in I dont see it making you town or scum. Thats why I said both rayn and you were null for me. Im just curious what rayn has to say I'm saying Rayn already saw my post and said I was mafia based on it. Then he started posting everything based on my being mafia.
On November 20 2014 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:58 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:50 sicklucker wrote:On November 20 2014 19:40 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote:
So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up.
VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.
I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.
liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
Rayn confirmed that I am mafia based on that one post because he is such a good town player. I rarely see games where a town will act like liancourt is right now, especially on day 1. Will he really try to contribute to the discussion at all? He doesn't even seem to have a reason for doing this, but he is OK with calling me out for being mafia based on inactivity when I'm trying my best to ask questions that are somewhat relevant. No let me clarify I said your post means nothing to me, as in I dont see it making you town or scum. Thats why I said both rayn and you were null for me. Im just curious what rayn has to say I'm saying Rayn already saw my post and said I was mafia based on it. Then he started posting everything based on my being mafia. So wrong.
He made just 3 posts after the post I was referring to. Two of them involved me being mafia and/or killing me.
I continued to try to push liancourtyboy in order to get him to play the game.
On November 21 2014 00:27 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:05 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 19:01 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 18:59 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote: really wtf is with the votes Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad? stop trying to look active. what are u going to achieve by asking me these questions? There is no reason to vote hope the votes are bad same thing LOL What was the point of your question mafia? i change my vote templar is mafai Those are completely different. I am not active, because you said I'm not active, so I won't bother to answer your post now. Maybe if you remind me later I will ur reacting like a mafia who's been caught red handed u arent reacting to pressure very well = mafia u are fucking off and ignoring what players say = mafia temp[lar = mafia - Since when have I ever reacted to pressure well? In any game.
- No, I'm ignoring what you say, because your posting is effortless.
- Your second point is pretty close to what you're doing.
I don't like your posts. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:50 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 19:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:43 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 19:40 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote:
So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up.
VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.
I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.
liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
Rayn confirmed that I am mafia based on that one post because he is such a good town player. I rarely see games where a town will act like liancourt is right now, especially on day 1. Will he really try to contribute to the discussion at all? He doesn't even seem to have a reason for doing this, but he is OK with calling me out for being mafia based on inactivity when I'm trying my best to ask questions that are somewhat relevant. put ur vote where ur mouth is stop beating around the bush I'm busy right now working on the LR for the Hot6ix cup. I'll vote later all words with no back up ur afraid to vote me first because u know i'm town arent u mafia want to bandwagon their votes and u want to bandwagon me when there are a few votes on me. My lynch hasn't gotten traction yet and ur making excuses to postpone ur voting so u dont look suspicious when u vote me Everyone is shitting themselves because they really have no fucking idea what the fuck I'm doing and u are shitting bricks This is the worst in a series of low-content, low-effort, low-grammar posts that you've made today. If I wanted to lynch you immediately, I would have voted you right there and then. Order isn't important when voting, and only agreeing to vote when I get someone else to vote first always looks suspicious. Your last sentence is garbage. Most of your other points are basically related to my play style and are null. Know that I only vote when I have a good reason and someone is pressuring me to vote. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:46 liancourt wrote:
i'm playing the be the biggest dick in the thread so that everyone votes me meta
is it working guys?
has my douche persona reached ur darling hearts? Here I'll help you I don't want to play with jerks.
I really don't see anything wrong with making it very clear that I don't want to play this game with anyone that simply refuses to be helpful, type in complete sentences, or even bother reading the thread and stating an opinion. Even one of those would be so much nicer to have.
More on why I want him to shape up or be replaced can be found here, so I'm not going to go too deeply into that.
Since then, everyone has completely ignored me while the votes on me have piled up. Nice.
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On November 22 2014 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's a long as post that says "VE might be mafia based on this"
Interestingly, I don't have to respond to any of it because all of it also says "VE might be town based on this" in context.
Here, let me fix this post
On November 22 2014 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's a long as post that says "VE is probably mafia based on this, this, and this"
Interestingly, I should probably respond to some of it because some of it also says "VE could be town based on this" in context.
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On November 22 2014 05:07 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 21 2014 03:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
absolutely riveting VE. anything new with your reads? Rayns posting makes him look town to me. I think I agree with his townread of lian, but mainly because in the last game he was scum and was much more amicable with town...in a pacifying kind of way. Very unlike what he's doing in this game. I don't like necessarily what he's doing in the thread (just trying to make everyone angry) but like rayn I think he's probably town. This is how it's different. He was much more blendy in the scumgame. He doesn't look to be "blending in" very well in this game.
You can't compare him in this game to how he played in another game, because he's obviously not trying
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On November 22 2014 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 05:08 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's a long as post that says "VE might be mafia based on this"
Interestingly, I don't have to respond to any of it because all of it also says "VE might be town based on this" in context. Here, let me fix this post On November 22 2014 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's a long as post that says "VE is probably mafia based on this, this, and this"
Interestingly, I should probably respond to some of it because some of it also says "VE could be town based on this" in context. There's nothing to respond to in there Templar, you're misrepresenting my actions according to what you THINK my scum motivations are when I've made my (real) town motivations clear and explicit in the thread. Everything about me that you have a problem with is made clear in my filter. You cherrypicking things that made you suspicious initially doesn't change the fact that I've been in here discussing the game and giving reads all game.
If you had actually done this, I might not have had a problem with you the entire game
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On November 22 2014 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 05:11 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 22 2014 05:08 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's a long as post that says "VE might be mafia based on this"
Interestingly, I don't have to respond to any of it because all of it also says "VE might be town based on this" in context. Here, let me fix this post On November 22 2014 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's a long as post that says "VE is probably mafia based on this, this, and this"
Interestingly, I should probably respond to some of it because some of it also says "VE could be town based on this" in context. There's nothing to respond to in there Templar, you're misrepresenting my actions according to what you THINK my scum motivations are when I've made my (real) town motivations clear and explicit in the thread. Everything about me that you have a problem with is made clear in my filter. You cherrypicking things that made you suspicious initially doesn't change the fact that I've been in here discussing the game and giving reads all game. If you had actually done this, I might not have had a problem with you the entire game That's the other thing - one of you main points of contention with me is that I haven't "reevaluated" Holyflare all game, but you haven't reevaluated on me THE ENTIRE game from your (bad) intro case on me on. It's been the same tired arguments that don't make me mafia over and over again. It's really boring.
My last post IS a re-evaluation. I arrived at roughly the same conclusion.
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On November 22 2014 05:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 05:09 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 05:07 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 21 2014 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 21 2014 03:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
absolutely riveting VE. anything new with your reads? Rayns posting makes him look town to me. I think I agree with his townread of lian, but mainly because in the last game he was scum and was much more amicable with town...in a pacifying kind of way. Very unlike what he's doing in this game. I don't like necessarily what he's doing in the thread (just trying to make everyone angry) but like rayn I think he's probably town. This is how it's different. He was much more blendy in the scumgame. He doesn't look to be "blending in" very well in this game. You can't compare him in this game to how he played in another game, because he's obviously not trying That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. His play this game looks different from his last game. The easy conclusion to swallow is "he is a different alignment" I don't care how much you don't like playing with him.
Yes, his play looks different, because he's NOT PLAYING. There's nothing that you can actually compare to his last game. If he starts playing instead of whatever he's doing now then I could agree with comparing his play to how he played the previous play
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On November 22 2014 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like it's cool dude - you think I'm mafia. You're wrong. You don't like how I play? That's on you man. I've made it clear to most people that I'm town playing this way, I don't have to convince you.
this is exactly what a mafia would say
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On November 22 2014 05:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why does townVE have to convince you?
I'm not convinced he's townVE. What sort of question is this?
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On November 22 2014 05:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
Templar why are you still focusing on stuff from pages with single digits?
Randomly went to page 18 and one of the posts I used in my defense was there.
To answer your question, since VE "solved" the game in the single-digit pages, clearly there is important stuff there. The last 10-15 pages have mostly been bickering anyway.
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On November 22 2014 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 05:19 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 05:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why does townVE have to convince you? I'm not convinced he's townVE. What sort of question is this? I'm asking you why saying "I don't have to convince you" is something mafia aligned
Town would probably give some actual reasoning for why my case is wrong instead of saying that it makes him look more town aligned, and they would likely not be satisfied with giving up on the person that is under the most pressure.
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On November 22 2014 05:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 05:22 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 05:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
Templar why are you still focusing on stuff from pages with single digits? Randomly went to page 18 and one of the posts I used in my defense was there. To answer your question, since VE "solved" the game in the single-digit pages, clearly there is important stuff there. The last 10-15 pages have mostly been bickering anyway. Oh you're just mad that I'm so "certain" of my early reads? Man it's just something that comes with playing a lot of games, don't be mad about that. I may even be wrong about them, I can own that if/when it happens. But I AM town, that's just something you're going to have to accept if YOU are town. If YOU are town though, you should probably convince ME otherwise because PRESENTLY you're set to die and NOT me. Just sayin.
That's why I also made a defense post.
I am not mad, I am sarcastically pointing out that you were so successful in solving the game early while pointing out that there's still a lot of information to be discussed there.
I may even be wrong about them, I can own that if/when it happens. But I AM town, that's just something you're going to have to accept if YOU are town.
This is pretty much a scum claim
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On November 22 2014 05:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nah I just lynch you. You're putting an awful lot of effort into this fantasy.
You played amazingly by saying my post pointing out a lot of scummy characteristics made you look more town, and then quickly confirming that you were town and that I couldn't do anything about it.
I might also point out I'm not the only one voting you.
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On November 22 2014 06:04 sicklucker wrote:
Oh is that not a vote for Chezinu I was exited
Nope, it's on one of the two players that is currently active
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On November 22 2014 06:08 Alakaslam wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ltFGWIZ.png)
can you please translate this to english?
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On November 22 2014 06:10 Holyflare wrote:
"hey so gimme a hand bro? ktx (k thanks)"
Is he asking for someone to heal him then?
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On November 22 2014 06:12 Alakaslam wrote:
But ignoring htat now.
Why not lynch you sir? You are here; it is glorious
let us tango
Because I'm not ignoring everyone in favor of one "easy" person. I explained why I thought someone that was considered to be town by a large number of the players is probably mafia. I also paid attention to other people and talked to them.
I can be more helpful later in the game than certain other players.
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I may type quickly, but I write slowly -_-
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So this is what it's like to play with the legendary alakaslam
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On November 22 2014 06:19 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 06:16 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 06:12 Alakaslam wrote:
But ignoring htat now.
Why not lynch you sir? You are here; it is glorious
let us tango Because I'm not ignoring everyone in favor of one "easy" person. I explained why I thought someone that was considered to be town by a large number of the players is probably mafia. I also paid attention to other people and talked to them. I can be more helpful later in the game than certain other players. But anyone can this claim make See what I seek is like who were YOU pushing and why I remember VE and HF fite, then VE and U fite, But VE look pretty good to me hey So also rayn So also HF Not so much ye, much wordy many long post. Looks like saddam hussein letters you know? 30,000 pages is not readable hey But then I profess unreadability
I pushed liancourt who didn't ever respond. Then I pushed VE who ridiculed me for it
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On November 22 2014 06:17 Holyflare wrote:
ok templar just write like a mini paraphrased thing on ve for me and then summarise what you think of other ppl VERY briefly
He formed a few opinions early in the game, never really let go of them even when it was really obvious he should have, agreed with rayn and other likely towns about just about everything they said.
He never really justifies his opinion, but instead makes everyone's contradictions seem pointless.
Holyflare: Mostly focused. While a lot of the posts are 1-line or filler, there are a lot of posts that actually explain some sort of thought process instead of admitting there is proof. Town read
The_Templar: --
KillerSOS: Lurker that made a strange post. Null
liancourtyboy: Not playing the game
Hopeless: Null, as all he's done is argue with the same 2-3 people.
rayn: I'm too biased currently to read him
VE: Scum as explained earlier
Fecal: He jumps in whenever he finds a chance to say something really quickly. Not much I can say.
sicklucker: Bad logic in general, sheeping is the basis of the majority of his ideas
GB: Town read, he is focusing too much on one thing at a time but he has the right idea.
Chezinu: Lurker
Damdred: this followed by this is really weird. "I don't know about templar's lynch" generally means he is definitely considering it until very recently. He keeps saying I look better.
ritoky: I didn't even realize he had posted
Alakaslam: Not even the slightest clue how to read him
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On November 22 2014 06:29 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way VEE do you think holy flare is still scum our town? if you think he is down what changed?
Didn't you hear? There's no way he'll even consider unvoting holyflare.
On November 22 2014 01:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
I am willing to lynch The Templar.
Oh
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On November 22 2014 06:33 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 06:31 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 06:19 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 06:16 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 06:12 Alakaslam wrote:
But ignoring htat now.
Why not lynch you sir? You are here; it is glorious
let us tango Because I'm not ignoring everyone in favor of one "easy" person. I explained why I thought someone that was considered to be town by a large number of the players is probably mafia. I also paid attention to other people and talked to them. I can be more helpful later in the game than certain other players. But anyone can this claim make See what I seek is like who were YOU pushing and why I remember VE and HF fite, then VE and U fite, But VE look pretty good to me hey So also rayn So also HF Not so much ye, much wordy many long post. Looks like saddam hussein letters you know? 30,000 pages is not readable hey But then I profess unreadability I pushed liancourt who didn't ever respond. Then I pushed VE who ridiculed me for it HM! Explain to me the Liancourt stuff, freshly. I will not go back where you spoke in the past. I have not seen liancourt I have skimmed, what does he do
claimed mafia, ignored questions, made half of his posts in paint accusing me of being mafia
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On November 22 2014 06:36 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 06:32 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 06:17 Holyflare wrote:
ok templar just write like a mini paraphrased thing on ve for me and then summarise what you think of other ppl VERY briefly He formed a few opinions early in the game, never really let go of them even when it was really obvious he should have, agreed with rayn and other likely towns about just about everything they said. He never really justifies his opinion, but instead makes everyone's contradictions seem pointless. Holyflare: Mostly focused. While a lot of the posts are 1-line or filler, there are a lot of posts that actually explain some sort of thought process instead of admitting there is proof. Town read The_Templar: -- KillerSOS: Lurker that made a strange post. Null liancourtyboy: Not playing the gameHopeless: Null, as all he's done is argue with the same 2-3 people. rayn: I'm too biased currently to read him VE: Nope not considering him being scum TheTemplar! XD Fecal: He jumps in whenever he finds a chance to say something really quickly. Not much I can say. sicklucker: Bad logic in general, sheeping is the basis of the majority of his ideasGB: Town read, he is focusing too much on one thing at a time but he has the right idea. Chezinu: Lurker Damdred: this followed by this is really weird. "I don't know about templar's lynch" generally means he is definitely considering it until very recently. He keeps saying I look better.ritoky: I didn't even realize he had posted Alakaslam: Not even the slightest clue how to read him I am deeply interested in the bolded. Explain to me the sicklucker, I did notice him and was lol at this post where he wanted to mislynch someone. Like really, what is this? Also explain to me this Liancourt, what of him I ask you twice now.
Liancourtyboy: Answered above
sicklucker: Can't talk about his meta much because he's playing in another game until tomorrow, but this post had a lot of reads based on what happened in that game instead of paying attention to anything happening this game. By page 25 you should have more related reads than that. He also sheeps Rayn a lot
Damdred: Just a feeling. Looking at his filter, he has a LOT of posts about sicklucker, more than he should. More importantly, he keeps saying I am looking OK without actually doing anything about it. Examples 1 2 3
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On November 22 2014 06:36 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 06:34 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 06:33 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 06:31 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 06:19 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 06:16 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 06:12 Alakaslam wrote:
But ignoring htat now.
Why not lynch you sir? You are here; it is glorious
let us tango Because I'm not ignoring everyone in favor of one "easy" person. I explained why I thought someone that was considered to be town by a large number of the players is probably mafia. I also paid attention to other people and talked to them. I can be more helpful later in the game than certain other players. But anyone can this claim make See what I seek is like who were YOU pushing and why I remember VE and HF fite, then VE and U fite, But VE look pretty good to me hey So also rayn So also HF Not so much ye, much wordy many long post. Looks like saddam hussein letters you know? 30,000 pages is not readable hey But then I profess unreadability I pushed liancourt who didn't ever respond. Then I pushed VE who ridiculed me for it HM! Explain to me the Liancourt stuff, freshly. I will not go back where you spoke in the past. I have not seen liancourt I have skimmed, what does he do claimed mafia, ignored questions, made half of his posts in paint accusing me of being mafia Literally or superscumtell?
His first post was MAFIA and he made references to bussing and discussing mafia stuff in a QT early on.
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On November 22 2014 06:53 GlowingBear wrote:
I also hate hopeless in this game.
Reason or general vibe?
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On November 22 2014 07:15 Holyflare wrote:
you can't push anyone for having no reads when your ONLY scum read in your entire filter is templar rayn
He's always like this so it's ok
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On November 22 2014 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 07:15 Holyflare wrote:
you can't push anyone for having no reads when your ONLY scum read in your entire filter is templar rayn Again not focused. You are scum. Damdred is scum. Haven't found the last one yet. Maybe it's killersos or smth.
You only said Damdred could be scum. You literally said only that.
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On November 22 2014 07:19 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 07:18 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2014 07:15 Holyflare wrote:
you can't push anyone for having no reads when your ONLY scum read in your entire filter is templar rayn Again not focused. You are scum. Damdred is scum. Haven't found the last one yet. Maybe it's killersos or smth. You only said Damdred could be scum. You literally said only that. na rayn said you damdred and holy + 1 of those two.
The only time he talks about Damdred in any way before that post is him literally saying that he could be mafia, as an afterthought.
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Rayn only thought I was mafia because I made that post originally. He has tried his best to find other reasons though.
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On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads.
Can you be a bit more specific?
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On November 22 2014 08:11 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 06:32 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 06:17 Holyflare wrote:
ok templar just write like a mini paraphrased thing on ve for me and then summarise what you think of other ppl VERY briefly He formed a few opinions early in the game, never really let go of them even when it was really obvious he should have, agreed with rayn and other likely towns about just about everything they said. He never really justifies his opinion, but instead makes everyone's contradictions seem pointless. Holyflare: Mostly focused. While a lot of the posts are 1-line or filler, there are a lot of posts that actually explain some sort of thought process instead of admitting there is proof. Town read The_Templar: -- KillerSOS: Lurker that made a strange post. Null liancourtyboy: Not playing the game Hopeless: Null, as all he's done is argue with the same 2-3 people. rayn: I'm too biased currently to read him VE: Scum as explained earlier Fecal: He jumps in whenever he finds a chance to say something really quickly. Not much I can say. sicklucker: Bad logic in general, sheeping is the basis of the majority of his ideas GB: Town read, he is focusing too much on one thing at a time but he has the right idea. Chezinu: Lurker Damdred: this followed by this is really weird. "I don't know about templar's lynch" generally means he is definitely considering it until very recently. He keeps saying I look better. ritoky: I didn't even realize he had posted Alakaslam: Not even the slightest clue how to read him this doesn't seem like a reads post a mafia about to be lynched would make. although i find it weird that templar has sheeped almost word for word a couple things i have said and responded directly to some of my posts yet doesn't know i exist.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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On November 22 2014 08:20 Alakaslam wrote:
In other words I am starting to actually believe VE is Vig.
And he will shoot holyflare.
Yeah.
No, he'll probably shoot me and fulfill my prophecy
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On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already
This is lazy. Paint takes like 1 minute at most.
What does
We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior
mean?
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On November 22 2014 08:24 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:21 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 08:11 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 06:32 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 06:17 Holyflare wrote:
ok templar just write like a mini paraphrased thing on ve for me and then summarise what you think of other ppl VERY briefly He formed a few opinions early in the game, never really let go of them even when it was really obvious he should have, agreed with rayn and other likely towns about just about everything they said. He never really justifies his opinion, but instead makes everyone's contradictions seem pointless. Holyflare: Mostly focused. While a lot of the posts are 1-line or filler, there are a lot of posts that actually explain some sort of thought process instead of admitting there is proof. Town read The_Templar: -- KillerSOS: Lurker that made a strange post. Null liancourtyboy: Not playing the game Hopeless: Null, as all he's done is argue with the same 2-3 people. rayn: I'm too biased currently to read him VE: Scum as explained earlier Fecal: He jumps in whenever he finds a chance to say something really quickly. Not much I can say. sicklucker: Bad logic in general, sheeping is the basis of the majority of his ideas GB: Town read, he is focusing too much on one thing at a time but he has the right idea. Chezinu: Lurker Damdred: this followed by this is really weird. "I don't know about templar's lynch" generally means he is definitely considering it until very recently. He keeps saying I look better. ritoky: I didn't even realize he had posted Alakaslam: Not even the slightest clue how to read him this doesn't seem like a reads post a mafia about to be lynched would make. although i find it weird that templar has sheeped almost word for word a couple things i have said and responded directly to some of my posts yet doesn't know i exist. I have no idea what you're talking about. Examples: you responding directly to me: Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 08:05 ritoky wrote:
don't like:
lian - claimed mafia, being an unproductive dick. play the game or die. some people said "him being a dick means he is town"; i think that is garbage, i have been a giant dick before as mafia and so have many others. he is clearly reading the thread and refusing to provide content, can't get much worse than that d1. OH WAIT, he claimed mafia with his first post.
hopeless - shit reactions to pressure, overly defensive, made one post recently that was okay; but i don't let go of things very easily, so his shitty reaction sticks with me
fecalfeast - you my friend, were the first person to suggest lynching lurkers! congratulations, welcome to the only policy i have. the person who first suggests lynching lurkers is mafia 86% of the time.
don't understand:
chezinu - why is anyone town reading this guy? like people are hard defending him...and i don't even understand how they got a leaning town on him to begin with.
sicklucker - don't really understand your read on me in the slightest, i spent the early game fighting with VE; i don't feel like a propagator of peace
damdred - weak reads by his standards, fairly passive by his standards, has very narrow focus. not really sure what the hell he is doing right now. I'm going to look into the bolded ones first, probably followed by sicklucker. and your lian read is pretty much word for word my lian read, so uhhhh yeah udun?
Ahhh, didn't realize that was you. I don't really look at usernames much unless it's an argument or vote.
I've had that or a similar opinion on lian for some time now, including before you made that post, but it's not the same. I don't kill lurkers as a general policy, unless they 100% should not be lurking.
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On November 22 2014 08:26 sicklucker wrote:
Glowing bear why do you want to kill towns. Ve now me I feel like im confirmed
You're always confirmed. The host told you so!!!!!!
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On November 22 2014 08:30 sicklucker wrote:
Ive given up hope on ever being a confirmed town in anygame.
Try not saying you're a confirmed town, it works better than you might think
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On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already This is the worst reason not to move. Paint not so hard. Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less. Srsly you make me want to switch to you Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin? His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new. He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town?
Because VE said that he (VE) was confirmed town, therefore he must be town.
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On November 22 2014 08:36 sicklucker wrote:
Glowingbears reason for voting me over his top scum (ve) is because he wants to get out a lurker. Ive had a slow start im not gonna make excuses but feel free to look at my filter in my other on going game. Im not a lurker I post ALOT probably too much.
No, it's because you've been pulling the newbie card all game
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On November 22 2014 08:42 sicklucker wrote:
ritoky your like a super obvious town im really shocked im the only one and everyone hated my read on you I could elaberate if you want
Seems legit
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I checked ritoky's filter. It's not really scummy or townie I think. He's been very passive, but not in a particularly bad way.
On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already This is the worst reason not to move. Paint not so hard. Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less. Srsly you make me want to switch to you Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin? His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new. He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town? So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly? Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz. I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating. He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone. I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads. But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other.
I don't really want to lynch liancourtyboy for two reasons:
1. I don't generally lynch lurkers or people that are refusing to play the game unless there is no hope for them.
2. I like calling him liancourtyboy
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On November 22 2014 08:52 Alakaslam wrote:
like templar, wjho do yo uwant to lynch
VE, followed by either sicklucker or damdred depending on what happens
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On November 22 2014 08:54 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:52 Alakaslam wrote:
like templar, wjho do yo uwant to lynch VE, followed by either sicklucker or damdred depending on what happens
Before I lynch damdred I want to see if he ever does anything more specific than constantly softly mentioning me as towny
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On November 22 2014 08:55 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:54 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 08:52 Alakaslam wrote:
like templar, wjho do yo uwant to lynch VE, followed by either sicklucker or damdred depending on what happens Why are you so stuck on VE
He hasn't changed since I last read him. I'm not going to go full VE and say "I will only vote X no matter what" but I'd like to lynch him.
VE has defined his play today a lot better than either of the other players I mentioned, so I'd like to wait until day 2 for them.
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On November 22 2014 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already This is the worst reason not to move. Paint not so hard. Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less. Srsly you make me want to switch to you Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin? His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new. He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town? So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly? Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz. I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating. He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone.I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads. But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other. GB can you expand on this? i feel confused.
Apparently in hearthstone mafia he actually played the game. He also happened to be mafia.
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On November 22 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already This is the worst reason not to move. Paint not so hard. Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less. Srsly you make me want to switch to you Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin? His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new. He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town? So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly? Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz. I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating. He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone.I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads. But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other. GB can you expand on this? i feel confused. (Why on red?) I'm on the phone so I won't quote the games, but: FFL2 mafia: he claims scum the entire game. He was town. Hearthstone mafia: he shows logical thinking and seriousness. He was mafia.
that's not enough data
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I didn't even notice half of KillerSOS's posts. How did I miss that one?
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On November 22 2014 09:06 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Filter dive me, hope. I've made a list Q. Is liancourt a "lurker"?
I say no because he's not reading the thread either
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Let me finish this paint I'm working on then I'll look at Killer
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Killer you've got about 10 minutes until Templar Justice arrives
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On November 22 2014 09:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:14 KillerSOS wrote:
I was lurking because I had my final paper due for appellate advocacy this evening, I have my life back now you had your life back 3 hours ago according to timestamps.
More like 8 hours
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Why the hell would you go, "Whoops, I missed most of day 1" and then go play Dota? Seriously?
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On November 22 2014 09:24 KillerSOS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:23 The_Templar wrote:
Why the hell would you go, "Whoops, I missed most of day 1" and then go play Dota? Seriously? 5 stack of buddies on the weekend after turnin in a paper? I feel a mini celebration is in order
OK fine. Well, you have 270 minutes to read this thread and defend yourself. Good luck
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On November 22 2014 09:45 GlowingBear wrote:
NO!
NO DAMDY!
WE CAN'T READ OURSELVES AS TOWN WHEN WE ARE BOTH TOWN IN A GAME
YOU'RE BREAKING THE SACRED RULE
what
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On November 22 2014 09:47 KillerSOS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:29 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 09:24 KillerSOS wrote:On November 22 2014 09:23 The_Templar wrote:
Why the hell would you go, "Whoops, I missed most of day 1" and then go play Dota? Seriously? 5 stack of buddies on the weekend after turnin in a paper? I feel a mini celebration is in order OK fine. Well, you have 270 minutes to read this thread and defend yourself. Good luck Looks like I shoulda asked for a coach since I have no idea what I'm doing.
Do it anyway, your situation can't get worse unless you freak out and get modkilled and get perm-banned from TL and everyone laughs at you and you have to move back in with your mother and she kicks you out for being a disgrace during a mafia game and you become a popular internet meme.
You've played mafia before, so you know how to play. Do your best
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Both of you explain your votes a bit better please
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On November 22 2014 09:53 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:23 sicklucker wrote:On November 22 2014 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 09:10 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 09:09 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 09:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Filter dive me, hope. I've made a list Q. Is liancourt a "lurker"? yes but nothing like KSOS hence my vote. I still gravely dislike liancourt. indeed, and sicklucker could do more; @ Lian: Srs no reads or nothing? Join the game yo @ Sicklucker: Explain the damdred read. I am one of those people you mention who reads him as town. Just as you do not understand my read I do not understand yours; make a case if his keyboard has such cooties hey? Ya I dont like damdred at all so far his game has all been one liners that are either asking someone about templar or asking someone about me. like hes trying to push an agenda for a mislynch on the targeted players without committing anything. He also never adds anything about us he just wants to get people talking about us. He has no town reads he might have one scum read on me but even thats not very clear.
Good, that's what I was hoping the response would be considering I mentioned something similar earlier.
What about you GB?
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On November 22 2014 09:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
templar whats your prefered lynch order right now?
mine is:
killer
lian
ve
chez
damred
VE
Killer$O$*
damdred
sicklucker
Liancourtyboy
I need to take a closer look at chez though.
*Only because he's making excuses to not do anything
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On November 22 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:53 The_Templar wrote:
Both of you explain your votes a bit better please Nah, it was just a reaction vote I thought holyflare could be following the thread but not posting, so I tried to bait him into posting. Which didn't work, as you can see.
isn't it 2am where he is?
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Checking Hopeless's filter now
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On November 22 2014 11:58 Holyflare wrote:
The only thing you are doing by not voting hopeless with me after agreeing with damning points on him is claiming mafia with either tmi and hopeless is town or you're partners
Have I agreed with you yet? Don't believe I have, so I am looking now.
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On November 22 2014 11:59 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 11:58 Holyflare wrote:
The only thing you are doing by not voting hopeless with me after agreeing with damning points on him is claiming mafia with either tmi and hopeless is town or you're partners Have I agreed with you yet? Don't believe I have, so I am looking now.
EBWOP: Was this directed at GB?
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I like Hopeless better than SL. They both have thin cases on other people that look scummy too me (Killer$O$ and Damdred), but sicklucker is much more proud of his.
Also, according to the OP, you need to have a paint pic that isn't your vote, so Rayn is short one?
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If Killer$O$ comes back to this thread and starts posting a few minutes before deadline I'm lynching him. Who agrees with this?
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On November 22 2014 12:14 Holyflare wrote:
Why would he even need to return as mafia...? It's far more likely he's town if that happens.
I forgot he voted and posted a picture in the 15 minutes he was here. Hmm
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Can we please have a vote count?
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Approximate Vote count
Lian: sOs, ritoky
Templar: liancourtyboy, rayn
SL: Chez, FF
sOs: Alakaslaman, Hopeless, GB, Temp
Damdred: SL
Hopeless: HF, VE
so Killer$O$ is set to be lynched unless I missed a few things
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Approximate Vote count
Lian: sOs
Templar: liancourtyboy, rayn
SL: Chez, FF
sOs: Alakaslaman, Hopeless, GB, Temp
Damdred: SL
Hopeless: HF, VE, ritoky
there we go?
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On November 22 2014 14:48 liancourt wrote:
i even played scummy as fuck
i even lurked on the second day
do u know what this means?
I'm town because mafia (temp, hopeless) had votes on me but switched to killer.
Temp had votes on me at the beginning saying he was willing to switch to ve and thought that I was town and not playing the game. LOL Did he switch to ve? Nope. A pressure vote to make me play LOL Excuses Excuses No reason why I am scummy. Trying to look like he's actually doing something.
Hopeless came in at some weird ass time and randomly votes me with absolutely no reason at all. Then proceeds to switch votes to killer. LOL What was that all about? It's like your just sheeping temp for some reason. Are you playing the game or are you just playing sheep the vet game? Both scum.
Except I sort of did.
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On November 22 2014 20:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
+ the fact that he straight out lied to me after just calling ve mafia for lying...
I most certainly did not.
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On November 22 2014 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare, it makes perfect sense fot hopeless and templar to be mafia. I actually think it's quite possible because they started the train on killersos when they were both quite viably to get lynched. I believe there has to be at least 1 scum in them and if it was only one, why would the mafia there not sheep me\you onto the other? You, like i, know 100% sure we are not both mafia so the scumdude in them COULD, and probably would sheep me ot you, just because it is what we would want. Get what i am saying?
My problem however becomes next. Let's say we are both right and they are both mafia (which is really likely). The other people on killer were (based on last official votecount) gb and slam. Both of which are scummy as fuck. All scum voted for same target on d1? No fucking hell. Where are we wrong?
Could SL be scum? Damdred? And which one of gb\slam is town? Or both?
I voted VE. Then KillerSOS came in, hopeless pointed him out. So they were definitely not both scum. KillerSOS tells us that he has his life back now, but does nothing for a while. So after waiting a few minutes, hopeless votes him. Meanwhile, I try to pressure him into playing the game as he promised, but he never responded. So, I should have switched back to VE or onto hopeless, as my general policy is to not lynch lurkers, but I made a mistake there.
On November 22 2014 21:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
So Killer was a bad lynch? Afk into excuses into ptomises into afk? Really? Basically what I was thinking.
I read hopeless yesterday very briefly and he looked a little mafia and a little town. Between KillerSOS and him, I preferred lynching KillerSOS.
And be honest, killerSOS could have been anything and he probably would have given up the way he did.
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On November 22 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like this is literally what happened:
rayn: What did you think would happen in a full 20 minutes?
Templar: I don't know Rayn, it was 4am
rayn: Of course you know. You wrote the thing in question.
Templar: Fine. I thought my case might be obsolete by the time I posted it as I was going pretty slowly.
How can you possibly argue you are not lying in either the first response or in the second one?
Yes, I made up a stupid response because you said something stupid. I told you I didn't know and you weren't satisfied with it, so I pleased your huge ego and confidence in people to remember everything they do.
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On November 22 2014 22:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But i thought you thought you are a bad player and therefore the best play for you is to sheep your top townread (Holyflare) instead of voting a null read?
I didn't agree with Holyflare even though he was my top town read.
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On November 22 2014 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like this is literally what happened:
rayn: What did you think would happen in a full 20 minutes?
Templar: I don't know Rayn, it was 4am
rayn: Of course you know. You wrote the thing in question.
Templar: Fine. I thought my case might be obsolete by the time I posted it as I was going pretty slowly.
How can you possibly argue you are not lying in either the first response or in the second one? Yes, I made up a stupid response because you said something stupid. I told you I didn't know and you weren't satisfied with it, so I pleased your huge ego and confidence in people to remember everything they do. So yes, you lied. You lied in a place no townie should lie. Therefore you are mafia.
Would you rather argue for 4 hours, which would "prove" I'm mafia anyway?
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On November 22 2014 22:27 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2014 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like this is literally what happened:
rayn: What did you think would happen in a full 20 minutes?
Templar: I don't know Rayn, it was 4am
rayn: Of course you know. You wrote the thing in question.
Templar: Fine. I thought my case might be obsolete by the time I posted it as I was going pretty slowly.
How can you possibly argue you are not lying in either the first response or in the second one? Yes, I made up a stupid response because you said something stupid. I told you I didn't know and you weren't satisfied with it, so I pleased your huge ego and confidence in people to remember everything they do. So yes, you lied. You lied in a place no townie should lie. Therefore you are mafia. Would you rather argue for 4 hours, which would "prove" I'm mafia anyway?
Because I really didn't remember and I was never going to convince you of that. Lying was forced
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On November 22 2014 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not gonna argue with you about anything because i don't need to convince you you are mafia.
I just showed out other people why you are mafia.
No rayn, you were going to argue with me. It was very obvious that you were trying to argue with me for no real reason and I didn't want that.
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On November 22 2014 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like seriously, can't you people see it?
Templar thinks i might be mafia. Yet he has to lie to me to convince me of something because otherwise it's impossible.
Do you really think I was trying to convince you? If I wanted to, I would have argued for four hours instead.
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On November 22 2014 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would you need to convince me you are telling the truth if i am mafia? Of course i am gonna call you shit if i am mafia and you are town, regardless of what you say. You already treated me as town when you claimed you don't know what to think, if i am town or mafia!!!
Because I don't KNOW that you are mafia. I didn't even read you as mafia.
Bolded: I actually can not find this at all. I think you turned something I said into something else
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Yes, I'm going to look at a game where you were mafia. I didn't need to right away though...
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On November 22 2014 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 22:47 The_Templar wrote:
Yes, I'm going to look at a game where you were mafia. I didn't need to right away though... Right. You didn't. If you don't wanna actually find mafia (as you hadn't found any, except for VE lol) you sure didn't.
Exactly what was I going to find? Some amazing, never before seen trend in your posting that immediately outed you as a mafia in this game?
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- First vote for your null read over your scumread
Which I made very clear was a pressure vote.
+ Show Spoiler +- Then you did shit on me because you thought it was funny
Not seeing this, sorry.
- Then you voted for VE, yes, but you never did anything to convince anyone to follow you
I made a pretty thorough case on him and maintained my opinion. How does everyone ignoring me make me mafia?
- Then you voted for another null-read over another null-read (which you considered as lynch candidates) who was pushed by your top town read while stating before that you consider yourself a bad player (which would make more sense in -> if you have to pick between two null-reads you sheep your town read who ACTUALLY is a good player, not to mention his target is pushing the null read you end up lynching).....
I didn't sheep my town read because I didn't agree with him. I don't see why that's a huge issue.
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On November 22 2014 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 22:54 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2014 22:47 The_Templar wrote:
Yes, I'm going to look at a game where you were mafia. I didn't need to right away though... Right. You didn't. If you don't wanna actually find mafia (as you hadn't found any, except for VE lol) you sure didn't. Exactly what was I going to find? Some amazing, never before seen trend in your posting that immediately outed you as a mafia in this game? So you don't believe you are gonna find anything yet before you claimed you're gonna look at my past games because it helps you figure out my alignment?
It helps, but it doesn't prove anything.
Why are you turning everything I say into an absolute, Rayn?
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On November 22 2014 22:58 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2014 22:54 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2014 22:47 The_Templar wrote:
Yes, I'm going to look at a game where you were mafia. I didn't need to right away though... Right. You didn't. If you don't wanna actually find mafia (as you hadn't found any, except for VE lol) you sure didn't. Exactly what was I going to find? Some amazing, never before seen trend in your posting that immediately outed you as a mafia in this game? So you don't believe you are gonna find anything yet before you claimed you're gonna look at my past games because it helps you figure out my alignment? It helps, but it doesn't prove anything. Why are you turning everything I say into an absolute, Rayn?
Seriously, I said I wasn't going to find anything that would tip the vote all the way to you. I did not say I was not going to find anything; obviously if I wasn't I would not bother to look.
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The point of the game is not to pressure people.
It's to lynch mafia.
Didn't realize I'd be lynching mafia halfway into the day.
gosh. I find it impossible to believe you think this is how the game of mafia is played.
Like if noone listens to you you just sit around and cry in the corner because "boohoo my posts are not being read"?!?!?
For the record you stated, IN YOUR FIRST POST, "i am terrible" which translates directly into "don't listen to me".
Literally, it does. So what do you expect? You tell people not to listen to you then you blame them for not listening to you? haha.
What planet do you live on where this is an absolute? I intended people to consider my reads before blindly agreeing/disagreeing with me, I am not going to say "ignore me" in my opening post.
If you are town you have to admit there is a possibility someone else is right and you are wrong. Because you cannot be right every time otherwise you are the best mafia player of all times. Which you claimed you aren't. So in case you have to decide who to vote on between two null-reads you have two possibilities:
1) Trust your top town read who you think is a good scumhunter and generally a good player, very experienced
2) Trust the (1)'s lynchtarget and vote with him
Why do I have to agree with either of them? I lynched based on MY OWN OPINION.
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Looked through 5-6 of Rayn's previous games. I feel like he acts more certain about his reads as town than as mafia, and uses information from them in his other posts in an attempt to solve the game as quickly as possible, so he could be town here, based on these posts.
On November 21 2014 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 06:16 Damdred wrote:On November 21 2014 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 06:00 Damdred wrote:
I'd have to look but I said aggressive style which a titanic game we played fits the bill rayn.
You always have a meh read on me on d1 hf but i shitposted in that game and tried to "protect" marv/HF as long as i could. i didn't post anything, i just posted a shitton and almost all of the people read me as town and then some fucking dumb vigi (who also read me as town but "didn't like me") shot me. so no, there is nothing like this game. in Titanic IV i posted absolutely 0 analysis on anything. Yes I would agree with you overall but you were still reasonably aggressive, which is what SL is townreading you on being aggressive. I think its null from you and not worth town reading you on content is your key I think but i found mafia. everyone remember this post and lynch (shoot) damdred when i lynch templar and he flips scum.
My problem with this is that he never pushes Damdred any further despite this post.
On November 22 2014 19:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk. Maybe hopeless and templar are both scum.
Just shoot into them tonight.
Holyflare can you look at emplar. He:
-wrote a case and voted for his townread instead
-is more interested in what other people think of him rather than scumhunting
-as you said on hopeless, templar does not follow up with his shit
-definitely not trying to figure out who is mafia despite having 10 null reads
On November 22 2014 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
..unless you're both scum.
like now, you are pointing out stuff that's really fucking scummy on Templar.
You cannot have missed it before because when HF asked you instantly pointed that out.
But still you townread him. herpderp.
I haven't seen him do this in games he was scum.
On November 22 2014 23:41 GlowingBear wrote:You're going to die tonight
Why?
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On November 23 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:
The vigi will probably shoot him
Why won't the vig shoot me?
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On November 23 2014 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 00:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:
The vigi will probably shoot him Why won't the vig shoot me? I bet the vigi won't shoot you. He has no motive to do so.
Several people read me as scum right now. If the vig is one of them, why wouldn't he shoot me?
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On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads.
You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all.
You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct,
On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia.
You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important?
On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying
"Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong."
This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not.
His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point.
When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet.
On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now
Here's what I read.
"I'm busy excuse excuse.
A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people.
I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town."
Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this.
He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL.
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On November 23 2014 00:48 Holyflare wrote:
yehhhhhhhhh any sensible vigi never ever shoot lian please
agreed with this.
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On November 23 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 18:23 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2014 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And holyflare...
He one of the strongest -- if not the strongest -- player in this game. Despite being around nearly all time (especially on EOD) he didn't do shit to actully push any lynch. He's used most of his time arguing agaist me and ve, both of which he thinks are town.
That's mafiaplay. If you don't think i was pushing hopeless then you need some help. There is nothing BUT a hopeless lynch tomorrow that I will push. Slam is actually very likely mafia for sheeping vets all game and not caring but then when I say I'm sure, like VERY VERY SURE that hopeless is mafia slam decided it wasn't good to sheep me despite calling me town all game. GB is scummy for not sheeping me even though he agreed with my hopeless read and then sleeping with his vote on our VET despite me telling him multiple times that his vote was bad and I even explained why a hopeless lynch would be better. I am also absolutely never lynching lian this game. Sheeping vets?!?!? Call me scummy for leading this lynch with hopeless, not for sheeping vets. It's like you are not even actually reading me and forming opinions on me from a different game (because I usually DO sheep vets, just not when they all do nothing but fight each other!) because when I DONT sheep, but rather LEAD a lynch, this is what happens! Did nobody notice I was leading this Lynch?
Yes, but Hopeless noticed it first. No, I don't think you were sheeping a vet with your KillerSOS vote. However, you immediately sheeped a veteran when you returned by voting me before reading.
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On November 23 2014 04:16 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 03:38 sicklucker wrote:
Your calling people scummy for not sheeping you but only liancourt sheeped you of 13 other players. You spent alot of time arguing about people not sheeping you . Wtf i was the one to call out temp as scum first Ray sheeped me Get ur facts straight
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On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case.
Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist.
To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing.
Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null.
I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though.
I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then?
Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing...
I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL.
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On November 23 2014 04:56 liancourt wrote:
Discrediting me wont do you any good temp
You're right. Next time you claim mafia, I'll take everything you say seriously
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On November 23 2014 05:51 liancourt wrote:
ff salty after last game
looks like everyones salty after last game
did mafia both win last game LOL
For SL and FF, "last game" ends in 68 minutes as it is LYLO there.
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On November 23 2014 06:00 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 05:53 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 05:51 liancourt wrote:
ff salty after last game
looks like everyones salty after last game
did mafia both win last game LOL For SL and FF, "last game" ends in 68 minutes as it is LYLO there. you reply to this but ignore everything else...scum
-Doing homework
-Easy to answer question compared to the others
-Most of your other posts are basically calling me scum, including this one
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On November 23 2014 06:01 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:00 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 05:53 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 05:51 liancourt wrote:
ff salty after last game
looks like everyones salty after last game
did mafia both win last game LOL For SL and FF, "last game" ends in 68 minutes as it is LYLO there. you reply to this but ignore everything else...scum -Doing homework -Easy to answer question compared to the others -Most of your other posts are basically calling me scum, including this one
And that is not true either, I replied to Damdred's post even though it took me a while
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On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post.
You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD.
Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either.
I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active).
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On November 23 2014 06:02 liancourt wrote:
because you are scum
i'm only stating facts
This is my favorite contradiction ever
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On November 23 2014 06:05 liancourt wrote:
you're ignoring content that is unfavorable for you to reply to...scum
So are you. Would you like me to read you as scum?
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On November 23 2014 06:11 liancourt wrote:
Are you trying to make an excuse to call me scummy again? OMGUS Deja Vu
Nah, I'm just pointing out the gaping holes in your arguments
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On November 23 2014 06:14 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). I didn't just say Hey this guy is town and go about my day though, I said he looks better after reading his filter.Disagreed with rayn that you hadn't done anything up to that point when it was clear that you had been doing things and at that point HF said basically the same thing I did but you jumped on me instead of HF. Im not sure why its important that when a town read of mine isn't being lynched i need o continually post that they are town. I think ritoky is town does that mean when i'm posting cases or trying to i need to get that in? That whole part makes no sense you defend your town reads when its necessary otherwise you look for scum i'm not sure what you mean on that part. Agreed I wasn't terribly active was a rough week at work, I have reads but I generally hate lists posts and try not to make town cases overall I tried it and just don't like it. I asked HF questions to try to figure out his alignment and he really felt like I was pulling teeth but he gave his thoughts. I agree I didn't follow up with Rayn with his read on hopeless but I did give my thoughts on hopeless answer which was his answer was pretty bad in my mind. Questions help me find alignments and find motives behind whats being said and help me build reads.
I went after you and not HF because you didn't do anything at that point in the game besides say "Oh, Templar could be town". HF changing his mind on me was also more important than you mentioning it because he actually made an effort to get people to unvote me, which sounds a lot less like a mafia trying to come in afterwards, saying "See, I told you he was town".
You do not need to continually post that I am town, but instead give examples and say why. You can say it one time for all I care, if you explain what your reasoning is (with quotes!).
Last paragraph: Fair enough, but I would prefer you giving your thoughts on the answers to your own questions more often than you currently are. Since day 2 begins on a sunday, I expect you to be contributing a fair amount more than you did in day 1
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On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing?
What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? 
It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it.
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On November 23 2014 06:21 Chezinu wrote:
Not the geometric ones
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On November 23 2014 06:27 liancourt wrote:
really what are you doing temp? why are you berating damdred for calling you town?
You're making nonsense by trying to look like you're crtically thinking abou tthe game but all I am seeing is:
Stop calling me town damdred if you don't have any reasons
Really what are you doing?
I'm proving that you aren't reading my posts
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On November 23 2014 06:30 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:22 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:14 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:
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Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). I didn't just say Hey this guy is town and go about my day though, I said he looks better after reading his filter.Disagreed with rayn that you hadn't done anything up to that point when it was clear that you had been doing things and at that point HF said basically the same thing I did but you jumped on me instead of HF. Im not sure why its important that when a town read of mine isn't being lynched i need o continually post that they are town. I think ritoky is town does that mean when i'm posting cases or trying to i need to get that in? That whole part makes no sense you defend your town reads when its necessary otherwise you look for scum i'm not sure what you mean on that part. Agreed I wasn't terribly active was a rough week at work, I have reads but I generally hate lists posts and try not to make town cases overall I tried it and just don't like it. I asked HF questions to try to figure out his alignment and he really felt like I was pulling teeth but he gave his thoughts. I agree I didn't follow up with Rayn with his read on hopeless but I did give my thoughts on hopeless answer which was his answer was pretty bad in my mind. Questions help me find alignments and find motives behind whats being said and help me build reads. I went after you and not HF because you didn't do anything at that point in the game besides say "Oh, Templar could be town". HF changing his mind on me was also more important than you mentioning it because he actually made an effort to get people to unvote me, which sounds a lot less like a mafia trying to come in afterwards, saying "See, I told you he was town". You do not need to continually post that I am town, but instead give examples and say why. You can say it one time for all I care, if you explain what your reasoning is (with quotes!). Last paragraph: Fair enough, but I would prefer you giving your thoughts on the answers to your own questions more often than you currently are. Since day 2 begins on a sunday, I expect you to be contributing a fair amount more than you did in day 1 HF for most of d1 (I still love you HF) was extremely lazy and played like he was going to the dentist to get a root canal. I disagreed with some statements on you and you jumped on me instead of people who did the exact same thing... Your sentence about the mafia coming in afterwards makes no sense, if you had been lynched and I did that your example would make sense but since you did not it really doesn't as I get no such credit from you being alive?I did explain reasoning you disagreed with my reasoning and somehow feel like it hinges on quotes? It won't change the reasoning behind the townread at that point, i felt like the train of thought,activity, defense etc was towny. Sure i'll humor you and spam quotes next time but it won't change the end result.
Bolded: I was likely to be lynched when you made those comments so it was relevant.
It "hinges on quotes" because you haven't provided any specific examples of me doing what you say I'm doing. You're saying things without any proof.
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On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:
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Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~
LOL, if it was hard for him to find good reasons to find me town then he would probably have not read me town.
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On November 23 2014 06:41 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:32 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:30 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:22 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:14 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:
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You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all.
You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct,
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You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important?
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"Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong."
This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not.
His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point.
When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet.
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Here's what I read.
"I'm busy excuse excuse.
A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people.
I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town."
Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this.
He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL.
Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). I didn't just say Hey this guy is town and go about my day though, I said he looks better after reading his filter.Disagreed with rayn that you hadn't done anything up to that point when it was clear that you had been doing things and at that point HF said basically the same thing I did but you jumped on me instead of HF. Im not sure why its important that when a town read of mine isn't being lynched i need o continually post that they are town. I think ritoky is town does that mean when i'm posting cases or trying to i need to get that in? That whole part makes no sense you defend your town reads when its necessary otherwise you look for scum i'm not sure what you mean on that part. Agreed I wasn't terribly active was a rough week at work, I have reads but I generally hate lists posts and try not to make town cases overall I tried it and just don't like it. I asked HF questions to try to figure out his alignment and he really felt like I was pulling teeth but he gave his thoughts. I agree I didn't follow up with Rayn with his read on hopeless but I did give my thoughts on hopeless answer which was his answer was pretty bad in my mind. Questions help me find alignments and find motives behind whats being said and help me build reads. I went after you and not HF because you didn't do anything at that point in the game besides say "Oh, Templar could be town". HF changing his mind on me was also more important than you mentioning it because he actually made an effort to get people to unvote me, which sounds a lot less like a mafia trying to come in afterwards, saying "See, I told you he was town". You do not need to continually post that I am town, but instead give examples and say why. You can say it one time for all I care, if you explain what your reasoning is (with quotes!). Last paragraph: Fair enough, but I would prefer you giving your thoughts on the answers to your own questions more often than you currently are. Since day 2 begins on a sunday, I expect you to be contributing a fair amount more than you did in day 1 HF for most of d1 (I still love you HF) was extremely lazy and played like he was going to the dentist to get a root canal. I disagreed with some statements on you and you jumped on me instead of people who did the exact same thing... Your sentence about the mafia coming in afterwards makes no sense, if you had been lynched and I did that your example would make sense but since you did not it really doesn't as I get no such credit from you being alive?I did explain reasoning you disagreed with my reasoning and somehow feel like it hinges on quotes? It won't change the reasoning behind the townread at that point, i felt like the train of thought,activity, defense etc was towny. Sure i'll humor you and spam quotes next time but it won't change the end result. Bolded: I was likely to be lynched when you made those comments so it was relevant. It "hinges on quotes" because you haven't provided any specific examples of me doing what you say I'm doing. You're saying things without any proof. What are you getting out of this as town? Are you calling him scum? Are you calling him town? You're berating him for calling you town...like wtf are you doing? This is absolutely unproductive and you're shitting out posts which look like crtical thinking to the untrained eye, but my god there is absolutely no content. You're arguing for the sake of arguing with damdred because it isn't hurting you. It makes it look like you're active and posting shit but it's so unproductive you are boring me to death.
I scumread Damdred and explained why, and now he's telling me why he's not scum. I don't really see a problem with this.
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On November 23 2014 06:43 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:34 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:
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You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all.
You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct,
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You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important?
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"Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong."
This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not.
His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point.
When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet.
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Here's what I read.
"I'm busy excuse excuse.
A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people.
I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town."
Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this.
He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL.
Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~ LOL, if it was hard for him to find good reasons to find me town then he would probably have not read me town. what are you saying man? why do you think damdred called you town then?
Because I did towny things?
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On November 23 2014 06:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:43 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:34 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:
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Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist.
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Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null.
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My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though.
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You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then?
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I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~ LOL, if it was hard for him to find good reasons to find me town then he would probably have not read me town. what are you saying man? why do you think damdred called you town then? Because I did towny things? Damdred is scum because he called me town. But I did towny things so its ok for him to call me town but i'll still berate him
When I said Because I did towny things? I obviously meant Because, to him, I did towny things?
That's just nitpicking me.
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On November 23 2014 06:52 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:49 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:47 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:43 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:34 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:
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You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD.
Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either.
I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~ LOL, if it was hard for him to find good reasons to find me town then he would probably have not read me town. what are you saying man? why do you think damdred called you town then? Because I did towny things? Damdred is scum because he called me town. But I did towny things so its ok for him to call me town but i'll still berate him When I said Because I did towny things? I obviously meant Because, to him, I did towny things? That's just nitpicking me. So basically what your doin to everything I post?
I'm not nitpicking your choice of words.
Just provide examples where I did these towny things you speak of. Why is that hard?
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On November 23 2014 06:56 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:49 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:47 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:43 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:34 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:
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You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD.
Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either.
I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~ LOL, if it was hard for him to find good reasons to find me town then he would probably have not read me town. what are you saying man? why do you think damdred called you town then? Because I did towny things? Damdred is scum because he called me town. But I did towny things so its ok for him to call me town but i'll still berate him When I said Because I did towny things? I obviously meant Because, to him, I did towny things? That's just nitpicking me. if you understand that damdred is reading you town because in his POV you did townie things then why are you berating him?
Read literally any post I've made recently and that will tell you the answer
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On November 23 2014 06:57 Holyflare wrote:
you 2 are both arguing pointlessly, do something else
I'm going to go eat something. You're right, this is 100% pointless
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On November 23 2014 07:00 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:58 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:57 Holyflare wrote:
you 2 are both arguing pointlessly, do something else I'm going to go eat something. You're right, this is 100% pointless then wtf were you doing for the past hour? scum
This also seems like a question I might ask you
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On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up.
He made a good case on SL
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On November 23 2014 07:37 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up. He made a good case on SL where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue. i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=58#1141
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On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 08:57 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:37 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up. He made a good case on SL where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue. i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=58#1141 i don't think this is a good case at all. flimsy at best.
What do you dislike about it?
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On November 23 2014 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 12:20 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 11:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 11:21 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:
1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.
By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.
Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention. This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation. Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing. Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town. "why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum. Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play. You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit. I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish. This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well. But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it? VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so... Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this: On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ. then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective. Uhm... I've pointed it out before. VE isn't committed to the game either. The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that. You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum. ??? I voted to lynch hopeless of course i think he is mafia??? and there's a diff btwn pointing it out and forcing the issue. if you really were in deep on that read you would force the issue. and i think you're mafia so of course i think you knew killer was town and hopeless was mafia? Question: when did you really decided I was mafia? i have a 4 page filter, it's not that hard to comb through. but i guess i can do your own work for you: like you're not willing to find it yourself or push your VE read? what are you willing to do? On November 22 2014 18:52 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are town hf i suggest you try to work with me and ve instead of what you've done.
I have ~6 hours to only focus on this after i've eaten and got a laptop so let's find mafia then okay?
Not call each other dumb, scumhunt.
Deal? did you see the part where VE voted on hopeless? appears you're the one on a different page. hopeless is mafia. i agree with HF on GB, like he agreed with the read; i mean even went into detail on the level to which he agreed and still refused to vote on hopeless...because??????????? because the guy was afk and not playing the game????? like what the fuck. i am even tempted to lynch GB in front of hopeless for that shit. man that was tough to find!!!! owait Lol ritoky. You could've think I was scummy before the lynch but still not mention it in the thread. Your stance against me, and this post of yours in particular feels so forced. I'm re reading the game to have a better grasp of my reads, although I think I may die tonight without been able to post them. This is what I'm saying: you're reading me as scum ONLY because killer was town. You repeatedly say that we lynched our blue, implying people knew that. This is forced. You have a scum read on hopeless. I don't wish to vote him day1. Therefore, I'm his partner. Logic fails. Who else is scum, ritoky? I'm partner with hopeless. Two more guys.
Exactly where does he say anything about lynching specifically a blue? That seems to be the basis of your retort here and I can not find it at all.
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On November 23 2014 13:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 13:34 liancourt wrote:
I like how thread sentiment is a pissing contest rather than finding scum I like how you're ignoring my case on VE and not playing the game. I'm constantly forgetting you're playing. You look like a good lynch too as for now
Agree with this.
Liancourtyboy has had about 6000 opportunities to do something other than what he did day 1 (which was basically throw scum accusations at me until I ran out of funny things to reply with). He took none of them.
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On November 23 2014 13:44 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 13:41 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 13:39 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 13:34 liancourt wrote:
I like how thread sentiment is a pissing contest rather than finding scum I like how you're ignoring my case on VE and not playing the game. I'm constantly forgetting you're playing. You look like a good lynch too as for now Agree with this. Liancourtyboy has had about 6000 opportunities to do something other than what he did day 1 (which was basically throw scum accusations at me until I ran out of funny things to reply with). He took none of them. It bothers me that you are reading the whole discussion with ritoky, probably passed by my VE case, but just commented on this, not following up the question you've made me.
I have read it as it's transpired but not analyzed it, I will be working on it at some point tomorrow if I survive the night as I believe it is fairly important.
My opinion on Liancourtyboy was going to be in response to him but you got there first.
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On November 23 2014 13:50 liancourt wrote:
Exactly temps scum he only comes in when it benefits him
just like you!
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On November 23 2014 14:23 liancourt wrote:
Wtf did medic do?
lynch temp
Apparently, the medic did not heal one of those two players.
Got anything to say besides the same thing for the 30th time?
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On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai
1) Meta, not much else to say
2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that.
3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta.
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On November 23 2014 14:37 liancourt wrote:
Me rayn hf read temp scum
hf is dead. Temp scum
He knew hf could lead a lynch on him so he killed him. I betting some hfs reads were correct so they killed him. Hf and rayn were also saying that i wasnt a good lynch on day 1. Temp now wants to lynch me again and got rid of hf who was reading me town. Temp scum
lynch with fyre
So, since HF practically forced people to unvote me towards the end of day 1, I killed him?
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I'm going to bed, I've withstood hours of liancourtyboy repeating the same line over and over again
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On November 23 2014 14:41 Chezinu wrote:
Nor can we confirm or deny the allegation that said weapon was functional. We are currently investigating what took place last night. We were not prepared for this type of infiltration.
Who's we?
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On November 23 2014 14:45 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 14:43 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 14:41 Chezinu wrote:
Nor can we confirm or deny the allegation that said weapon was functional. We are currently investigating what took place last night. We were not prepared for this type of infiltration. Who's we? The BankIt speaks.
sure, but the bank is one entity
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On November 23 2014 14:47 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 14:45 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 14:45 Chezinu wrote:On November 23 2014 14:43 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 14:41 Chezinu wrote:
Nor can we confirm or deny the allegation that said weapon was functional. We are currently investigating what took place last night. We were not prepared for this type of infiltration. Who's we? The BankIt speaks. sure, but the bank is one entity Correct. One, yet has many forms.
ok you've convinced me
good night for real now
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On November 23 2014 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 13:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok town, ok going to sleep. In case I die:
Lynch VE
Lynch FF
Lynch Hopeless, maybe (I don't know, I feel he is scummy but there is something making me hesitant to lynch him. Maybe it's because one scumread of mine [VE] was pushing him since the beginning)
Take a look at: Rayn, sick lucker, Ritoky
Constantly reevaluate HF. See if he is having double standards. If yes, he might be mafia. But he looks townie until now.
Good night. Now that you didn't die all your scumreads are town, and you completely changed everything from asslicking rayn/HF into "here's my thoughts". Now that i didn't die aswell, fucking explain!
What the hell is this post? I seriously hope it's just a joke, because 'not dying' isn't that important for reads.
On November 23 2014 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i don't even have to play.
Lynch Templar. Then lynch Slam. Then ask GB why his reads are/were shit and take a close look at Damdred.
bang game solved, everyone else was town.
Yes you do. Serious overconfidence problem going on here.
On November 23 2014 20:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i don't even have to play.
Lynch Templar. Then lynch Slam. Then ask GB why his reads are/were shit and take a close look at Damdred.
bang game solved, everyone else was town. Well, I was the only one hesitant to lynch hopeless and he flipped town. Maybe my reads are not that shifty. I have no idea why you want to lynch slam.
...That actually doesn't really help your case, GB. According to him, your reads are terrible because they're different than his.
Anyway, a mafia might have seen VE's shot at hopeless coming (assuming he's actually Vig) and made sure he had a town opinion on him.
On November 23 2014 20:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So hey GB who are you gonna push now when all your scumreads or "people you are hesitant about" got confirmed in a way or another? I'm probably with you on Templar. I've pointed out some odd behaviours of him at night and now that you claim being saved, I'm more comfortable with cooperativ with you.
"I pointed tiny things out in order to please you, and in order to avoid conflict I completely ignored his response"
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On November 23 2014 23:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Nah, Templar. I didn't ignore it. I just don't think they are strong answers. Those are not meta reads.
Anyway, this game is pretty much confusing and boring. A lot of people aren't even trying to solve the game. It's happening too much lately. I don't understand why they even bother signing in.
They _are_ meta though, so I can't really say anything else about it.
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On November 23 2014 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai 1) Meta, not much else to say 2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that. 3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta. 1) Not meta, we are talking about your overall gameplay in this game, not anyother. 2) You have no reason to not share it with the thread as, as you can see, town is very disorganised and any contribution is valuable. You weren't hesitant with my opening. You said I was locked in one certain theme but that I was town. 3) Again, I'm not talking about other games of yours. I'm saying that it is suspicious that someone, at night, locks on a breadcrumb like that. Not meta. Meta is saying that you're playing like our newbie game together, which you are. This is meta.
It's meta because I do it every game?
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On November 24 2014 00:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 00:06 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai 1) Meta, not much else to say 2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that. 3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta. 1) Not meta, we are talking about your overall gameplay in this game, not anyother. 2) You have no reason to not share it with the thread as, as you can see, town is very disorganised and any contribution is valuable. You weren't hesitant with my opening. You said I was locked in one certain theme but that I was town. 3) Again, I'm not talking about other games of yours. I'm saying that it is suspicious that someone, at night, locks on a breadcrumb like that. Not meta. Meta is saying that you're playing like our newbie game together, which you are. This is meta. It's meta because I do it every game? I'm confused. Are you trying to say that this isn't alignment indicative because you do the 3 stated things every game?
Yes, but only #s 1 and 3.
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On November 24 2014 00:14 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 00:09 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 00:06 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai 1) Meta, not much else to say 2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that. 3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta. 1) Not meta, we are talking about your overall gameplay in this game, not anyother. 2) You have no reason to not share it with the thread as, as you can see, town is very disorganised and any contribution is valuable. You weren't hesitant with my opening. You said I was locked in one certain theme but that I was town. 3) Again, I'm not talking about other games of yours. I'm saying that it is suspicious that someone, at night, locks on a breadcrumb like that. Not meta. Meta is saying that you're playing like our newbie game together, which you are. This is meta. It's meta because I do it every game? I'm confused. Are you trying to say that this isn't alignment indicative because you do the 3 stated things every game? Yes, but only #s 1 and 3.
The one hour game was different because there was actually no time to get anything done, so I tried to take action.
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On November 24 2014 00:21 Damdred wrote:
Why would you berate me all night and part of yesterday for not throwing all of my reads out their and now you say you are to hesitant to discuss all of your reads now?
I'm hesitant to discuss them with GB.
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On November 24 2014 00:29 Damdred wrote:
Are you scum reading GB? Why does it matter as long as they are in the thread?
Null and I don't know what your second question is asking.
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sicklucker
OK, I have a usable meta read on SL now that Campus mafia has finished, so now I'm re-evaluating what I think of him.
As town, he was extremely confident in how town he was, and basically used that "fact" in order to make cases and form reads. He also pretty much ignored WIFOM to do this.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 07 2014 05:24 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 02:47 sicklucker wrote:
I think sentinal would be a better lynch then ima. He was who I ment when I think there were better targets earlier. He seemed so active in this game before I entered but since I have been I think hes posted once or twice. Hes the likely leader for alot of the mafia teams as he seems more experienced.
I feel like he went mute because he was caught in a bad spot because of kelsiers high risk high reward play and he doesint think hes on the chopping block yet or has just given up.
I think its more likely imma is a bad town then sentinel is a bad town. Maybe someone whos played with him before can give us more ok I misread your message so disregard the second part. Actually the fact sentinel saved cricket from the vote is very town to me Because I know im town. Im gonna have to take another look at sentinel Sentinel where are you???! (Note: he replaced Cricketer12) On November 08 2014 04:01 sicklucker wrote:
lol now that was an acual "slip" even tho im town are watcher or medic should come out On November 08 2014 05:03 sicklucker wrote:
Im not a good lynch today . Right now in both your mind im just this solo arrogant bad guy but you cant peice together any logical team mates for me because im town. On November 11 2014 09:29 sicklucker wrote:
I think if breskes or another longshot is mafia he wins even with 3 lynches. He will just leave serejai me and elvis as the towns and they will just off me.
Infact theres 0% chance I dont get mislynched if this game goes on and I know im town so we really only have 2 chances to hit mafia in this game from my perspective.
I think this next lynch is very important ff and this is not the auto win your making it out to be, but then again you dont belive im town so.. On November 11 2014 15:00 sicklucker wrote:
So something we can go on is who do you think, would think that serejai is the medic? Because thats are last mafia. Im sure whoever was deciding who to block is are last one left since kush and sent didnt care about this game.
I know this is gonna get turned on me but im bringing it up anyway (because im town) but who do you think woulda thought serejai was the medic on day 2 and 3? Give a reason.
Im thinking he was targeted because he pushed me for something I said about the medic.
The list goes on. He also defended himself by saying "I would never do X if I was mafia so I must be town" in various ways. So basically, he based the entire game on him being town and actually took action based on this.
He also read players based on their actions based on their reads instead of commenting that these actions should be looked at by other people. So, his thoughts, however bad they might have been, were at least out there before he asked for opinions, at least when the people he was commenting on were talking about him in some way.
Now, let's look at this game.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2014 20:49 sicklucker wrote:
Holy this is my first day one. Im giving my first reaction reads because im trying to help. Im sorry if there not up to your standards. Try to see that im trying with my inexperience I could lurk all day and no one would care. On November 22 2014 07:02 sicklucker wrote:
The templars defense has stepped up some, I always sheep rayn its what I do im easily the newest player in the game. That being said his reads after his first 2 I liked really sucked. Sheep mode off On November 22 2014 08:36 sicklucker wrote:
Glowingbears reason for voting me over his top scum (ve) is because he wants to get out a lurker. Ive had a slow start im not gonna make excuses but feel free to look at my filter in my other on going game. Im not a lurker I post ALOT probably too much. On November 22 2014 14:01 sicklucker wrote:
FF why did you vote me anyway. I basically played the same this game if anyone here knows im a standard terrible town its you... On November 23 2014 07:44 sicklucker wrote:
GB is a mafia in so many worlds. He voted for 3 towns or 2 if you dont believe me
As you can see, his play has been completely different. He seems to suddenly not confirm he's town all the time, but instead keeps pulling the newbie card. Since he barely did this at all in Campus, it's very suspicious that he would suddenly lose all confidence in his town play as town.
He did not re-evaluate for any of the first four after the previous game ended as those four posts were before Campus mafia LYLO was finished.
So, my belief is that he has been playing completely differently than how he played in Campus at almost the same time, and is therefore a different alignment.
Additionally, I agree with a lot of this case by Damdred, which is a decent scum read on SL.
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On November 24 2014 00:37 Damdred wrote:
Ok. Basically why are you hesitant to discuss them with a null read to see if you can determine their alignment.
Also the thread could discuss them so why hold back
I didn't realize people would be discussing anything
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Thank god someone actually saw that hole in the logic. It was intentional.
I am not having fun this game.
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On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch?
No.
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On November 24 2014 01:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:31 The_Templar wrote:
Thank god someone actually saw that hole in the logic. It was intentional.
I am not having fun this game. Wait, what?
Why is doing something I don't like to do extremely scummy?
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On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch? No. What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town?
I'm pretty sure you like to lynch lurkers regardless of what alignment you are. And this post is serious bait because you don't actually believe that.
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On November 24 2014 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:36 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:33 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:31 The_Templar wrote:
Thank god someone actually saw that hole in the logic. It was intentional.
I am not having fun this game. Wait, what? Why is doing something I don't like to do extremely scummy? If you say that you don't like meta reads, it means you think they are flawed and you use different methods. I would expect that you would came with a stronger, objective read, but what you did was exactly calling someone scum for something you believe is not alignment indicative, which is pretty weird.
The bolded is wrong because I would not be considering other peoples' meta reads if this was the case. In fact, I generally find it difficult to read someone's past games reliable and I don't bother, but SL was a pretty open book in that area so I gave it a shot.
And I called someone scum because I found his play to be COMPLETELY different than the game he just played as town. Not because of something I believe is not alignment indicative.
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On November 24 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:37 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch? No. What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town? I'm pretty sure you like to lynch lurkers regardless of what alignment you are. And this post is serious bait because you don't actually believe that. I don't actually believe what?
That your vote on KillerSOS is scummy.
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On November 24 2014 01:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:45 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:37 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch? No. What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town? I'm pretty sure you like to lynch lurkers regardless of what alignment you are. And this post is serious bait because you don't actually believe that. I don't actually believe what? That your vote on KillerSOS is scummy. Well, I don't find it scummy because I'm town so, lol.But if I was someone else, I would be suspicious of this.
You literally just said it was scummy.
On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch? No. What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town?
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On November 24 2014 01:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:49 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:47 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:45 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:37 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch? No. What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town? I'm pretty sure you like to lynch lurkers regardless of what alignment you are. And this post is serious bait because you don't actually believe that. I don't actually believe what? That your vote on KillerSOS is scummy. Well, I don't find it scummy because I'm town so, lol.But if I was someone else, I would be suspicious of this. You literally just said it was scummy. On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch? No. What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town? It is, objectively. It's not on my perspective because my role pm says I'm town. That's what I'm trying to say. I know what you tried to do here but it differs a lot from what I've brought from you. Another question: what in my gameplay makes you think I'm town?
Nothing in particular, which is why I am reading you null.
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On November 24 2014 02:27 GlowingBear wrote:You're lacking scumreads
Those are the red arrows
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Really liancourtyboy, it took you 17 hours to decide on lynching me?
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On November 24 2014 07:04 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 07:00 The_Templar wrote:
Really liancourtyboy, it took you 17 hours to decide on lynching me? low and behold you turn up when i post you aren't trying to figure the game out, you are just deflecting whatever i say discrediting me by being condescending.
yes, because there was so much going on that I should have been involved
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On November 24 2014 07:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Who said i was confied town? Lol
Obviously, you're confirmed town because you might vote me
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On November 24 2014 07:21 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 07:15 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 07:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Who said i was confied town? Lol Obviously, you're confirmed town because you might vote me ... He just had an arrow pointing from me to "not confirmed town" I was asking why I was being unconfirmed town when I was never confirmed at all.
Oh. He read you town but it wasn't confirmed by the night actions I guess
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On November 24 2014 07:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Are you even reading the game, temp?
No, I'm doing a project right now
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On November 24 2014 07:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 07:35 liancourt wrote:On November 24 2014 07:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Please lynch slam.
Pls pls pls. after temp dies can u vote temp Nope, I town read him.
no you don't
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On November 24 2014 07:45 GlowingBear wrote:
You're really not fucking reading the game lol
No, I'm not currently. I might also note that I might have seen that post better if you bothered to unvote me.
Interesting that you voted me and then read me town based on the exact same post, though
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This also confused me. By the way, you only put red/green/blue names once they're confirmed.
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On November 24 2014 07:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 07:47 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 07:45 GlowingBear wrote:
You're really not fucking reading the game lol No, I'm not currently. I might also note that I might have seen that post better if you bothered to unvote me. Interesting that you voted me and then read me town based on the exact same post, though I VOTED SLAM WITH A HUGE PICTURE A HUGE PICTURE WITH A BASKETBALL BALL BECAUSE SLAM DUNK
I missed that... sorry
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On November 24 2014 07:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, Templar, lets vote slam?
I can't find why you wanted to lynch him in the first place, explain?
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On November 24 2014 09:24 liancourt wrote:
@temp
was your SL case bait?
You said you don't like meta reads and yet you did a case based on one.
And you make a "sarcastic" post saying gb found the flaw in your case. WTF is this all about?
Personally, I don't trust meta reads done by other people, but I trust my own meta reads on people I've played with before. I don't trust your meta read on SL. Unless other people can back up your meta read on SL i'm not taking that case into consideration.
No, my post before emphasizing how much I dislike meta reads was the 'bait'. The primary purpose was to see who was actually reading. Unfortunately, GB found it too quickly so it was pointless
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On November 24 2014 10:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 10:03 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 09:24 liancourt wrote:
@temp
was your SL case bait?
You said you don't like meta reads and yet you did a case based on one.
And you make a "sarcastic" post saying gb found the flaw in your case. WTF is this all about?
Personally, I don't trust meta reads done by other people, but I trust my own meta reads on people I've played with before. I don't trust your meta read on SL. Unless other people can back up your meta read on SL i'm not taking that case into consideration. No, my post before emphasizing how much I dislike meta reads was the 'bait'. The primary purpose was to see who was actually reading. Unfortunately, GB found it too quickly so it was pointless This doesn't make sense. 1) What can you draw from people actually reading? 2) Why is it unfortunately, as it proved someone was reading?
I was trying to figure out who wasn't paying any attention. So, someone actually reading didn't help.
In retrospect, it was a really bad idea, but I was not lying about it, I would have done exactly the same thing without thinking about it except I wouldn't have made that comment.
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On November 24 2014 10:21 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +I like this post the most, and it's why I don't like meta-reads. People do change ideas, methods of playing, and the players they are playing against (and their opinions of them), sort of every game. I prefer to stay only inside the thread, so I'm ok with most of the reads on me so far. (Although I have a pretty obvious style of play as both mafia and town that I refuse to/can't change).
While this isn't particularly relevant, it's how I am viewing the game which is probably important if Rayn fails to lynch me today. so temp ur saying this post was bait for the case on SL????
Yes
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On November 24 2014 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Do you see why your "trap" was do bad templar. I just pointed out lian missing something that I clearly noticed but I didnt need to risk getting lynched to do it. Im not buying it.
Yes, I see it. >.>
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On November 24 2014 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm out people.
Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.
Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome. Templar, please comment on damdred. How do you read him?Damdred, please comment on Templar. How do you read him?Templar and Damdred, please comment on Slam. What do you think of him? How do you read himIf you guys keep ignoring these questions I'll lynch both.
Bookmarked. I'm not going to be available for most of tonight but they will be answered tomorrow well before deadline
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On November 24 2014 10:59 liancourt wrote:
look he's fucking off again under pressure while making scum excuses for his future absence
Yes, because I would do this over and over for no good reason
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On November 24 2014 22:56 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2014 22:41 ritoky wrote:On November 24 2014 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hosts can you confirm whether or not a doctor save is informed in case they get shot. regardless of if the host says yes or no, the fact that you posted this gives me a town boner Why? If the hosts say "no" i am mafia so what the fuck are you talking about?!?! you asked can you confirm this, if host says no, that would be the host saying "i can't confirm it", which is different from "not notified" am i right or am i tired? only reason i came back was i remembered i need to post a picture, so i offer this very realistic rendition of a tree: + Show Spoiler +
You're tired. If the host says no, as in a doctor save is not informed, Rayn is almost certainly mafia. They're not saying whether a save is informed or whether they can confirm this.
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On November 24 2014 22:28 ritoky wrote:
people posting around the time of that post:
rayn, GB, templar, damdred, slam
@damdred, slam, templar - why did you not question rayn in regards to his save claim particularly when there's nothing in the rules about it and someone even pointed it out?
I was not around until 4 hours after that post was made....
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On November 24 2014 23:16 GlowingBear wrote:
This connection between you an VE is also unfounded lol.
YOU'RE TRYING TO LYNCH OBVIOUS TOWN AND YOU KNOE IT. YOU'RE TRYING NOTHIG TO CONFIRM YOUR READ ON ME OR TO SOLVE THE REST OF THE GAMD. YOU JUST WANT TO LYNCH THE SHIT OUT OF ME BECAUSE YOU'RE MAFIA OR INSANELY BAD THIS GAME
yes, because this is obviously how Rayn usually plays...
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On November 24 2014 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm out people.
Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.
Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome. Templar, please comment on damdred. How do you read him?Damdred, please comment on Templar. How do you read him?Templar and Damdred, please comment on Slam. What do you think of him? How do you read himIf you guys keep ignoring these questions I'll lynch both.
Damdred is a null read, Alakaslam is a town --> null --> slight scum read as I read through his filter.
Damdred's responses to my pressure are towny, although they take a while to get anywhere.
My first problem with him now is his response here.
On November 24 2014 11:49 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm out people.
Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.
Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome. Templar, please comment on damdred. How do you read him?Damdred, please comment on Templar. How do you read him?Templar and Damdred, please comment on Slam. What do you think of him? How do you read himIf you guys keep ignoring these questions I'll lynch both. Sorry just got home from work crazy day. I'll start off with Slam. I really don't know how to read slam, Oats or VE told me you can tell something about slams alignment how freely he posts and if he makes posts that actually make sense. If thats actually correct then he looks townish even if he was wrong on the kos. Templars is a really hard alignment for me, i had a town read going into the night with him with how he was thinking. But his night activity with hitting me over the head for thinking he was towny really set me back on him and left a bad taste in my mouth. He read me as pinkish at one point during the night (mafia lean) I take it, but now has me null by his last drawing, his case for today was some form of trap for people to stumble into which doesn't make much sense to me. He also said last night that if my play did not improve dramatically he would lynch me but besides a few posts in response to me hasn't really pushed me or tried to get me lynched despite my activity being low again today in fact he only mentioned my scum read SL and I think hes willing to vote with me. All of its really weird play when you consider last night and today and fell off activity wise so i'm moving him into my scum lean category
So first of all, he doesn't actually answer your question about slam. He also tried to make me look worse than I should look for pressuring him over the night. Let me put something very clearly right now: I was not reading him as a slight pink solely because he was saying I was town, but because he was trying to look like he was contributing without providing any substance.
He ridiculed my pressure of him in its aftermath which is extremely confusing, acting as if I should have never tried. So, I read him null at the time as these two conflict quite a bit.
Also,
On November 24 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:
Also was just rereading something to see if i remembered correctly, besides SL and his paint Temp hasn't given reads today even though hes asked and dodged a lot today about them. Also his read on SL is just a trap so not sure
Why didn't you go at him again about those reads he was hesitant to share with you before GB?
I already said this was an actual meta-read, and that it didn't exist for the sole purpose of being a trap. I said this multiple times so I don't know why he's mentioning anything else.
Alakaslam:
I don't really know him at all and he's extremely confusing.
That said, his posts towards the end of day one gave me a town vibe as he was active, asking questions to gather current data instead of merely reading the thread to catch up (although it seems he did both). The exception:
On November 22 2014 08:15 Alakaslam wrote:
Let's kill Liancourt.
Because why not. Someone defense him for to FITE ME because I dont' think he will even defend himself.
Followed by a "You don't want to lynch him? Then who do you want to lynch?" post towards me, followed by switching to lead the lynch on the other lurker. If he was going to lynch a lurker, why did he bother to do anything besides figure out why he should unvote me?
On November 22 2014 11:21 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 11:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Ritoky have you ever been in a game with Chezinu Izhunizech?
I can't remember if I spelled that right, sorry C
Please answer promptly ritoky. nope, no idea who that is ... Chezinu... Anyway so Chezinu does as he does. He plays according to the House of Brown. He is the founder, I visit on occasion. He sees VERY clearly with the eyes of CHUPAZI, my own vision is about 20:20 left eye, 20:32 right eye. However Chezinu sees with a clarity unsurpassed at 20:10 both eyes. As scum he is to be feared. He will snipe every blue and guide the RB, allowing the blues to live just long enough that they do not realize they are compromised. As town he is indecipherable to the scum, suddenly he knows your alignment and you do not know how, but he simply KNOWS. I fear him more when I roll scum than just about anyone on the site. He is not to be lost Day1.
Also, I'm curious on this post. I have seen no evidence of what Chezinu has been said to be capable of in this thread. All he is doing is posting images of various geometric shapes, save one large list of reads. So unless he "knows" the mafia the above post is just filler.
His day 2 activity is similarly confusing to me. His activity pre-page o' spam mainly consists of talking about the night actions and not actually doing anything about the reads flying around, as he did in day 1.
On November 24 2014 15:18 Alakaslam wrote:
Deli rean is actually pretty slow.
You know I find that often, when vets early in the game make a read but it gets ignored and is followed by a mislynch, the read was actually correct.
Having been humbled, and finding all The vets are most likely town, I will vote Templar with my phone paint
In case sent doesn't recognize it
Nice explanation of voting me... wait
Most of his posts that aren't talking about the night actions are "I will consider this" followed by not really doing anything about it, filler, asking for help figuring people out, or stuff I actually can't read like this
On November 24 2014 15:30 Alakaslam wrote:Oh! True I haven't given reads... So I would say Sicklucker and Lian aren't cool, but Lian wants to lynch temp, similar to vets, doubt he would bus after attention fell away. So can't both be scum! Glowing bro b mah brodda, seems he wouldn't like that; guess he just that HAWT gal in high school dat iz lieks by erry body but h8s ppl, including me  Den vets praktikal konfirm SSON; town actually in a very good place. I give Chezinu much  earlier you should know how I see him Who is left? Ah damdred I dunno I DINNAE see him
The thing about the Chezinu read in this post is that we don't know how Alakaslam sees him. We just know that he respects him as a player, nothing he has said about Chezinu is actually alignment-indicative.
I don't know, he seems like he is dodging doing anything helpful that makes sense. His list of reads looks rushed (and I can barely read it) and he hasn't done anything original since day 1 at all except filler. I feel like this heavily depends on his meta but I've already been driven to madness by looking through his filter here.
On November 24 2014 23:41 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 22:41 ritoky wrote:On November 24 2014 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hosts can you confirm whether or not a doctor save is informed in case they get shot. regardless of if the host says yes or no, the fact that you posted this gives me a town boner +1 rayn
Will you still have this opinion if Rayn is basically confirmed as mafia by the host? (Although I seriously doubt that will happen as mafia Rayn probably asked by PM, no?)
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On November 24 2014 23:48 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 23:40 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2014 22:28 ritoky wrote:
people posting around the time of that post:
rayn, GB, templar, damdred, slam
@damdred, slam, templar - why did you not question rayn in regards to his save claim particularly when there's nothing in the rules about it and someone even pointed it out? Hi. This is a good point. I actually wasn't here, but it is something I had already considered. It is highly unlikely to be false however and a really dangerous move for scum to pull because the medic knows who they saved. Therefore, while not holding Rayn 100% confirmed, I am basically consid- Oh yeah. Rayn also sees well with the eyes of Hijole; though different from Chupazi the way of Hijole is not useless. For tthis i then say ÁNDALE PUES RAYN You know, medic could actually save mafia Rayn. Anyway, this will confirm itself throghout the game. WHO ARE WE LYNCHING TODAY?
You mean, medic saves the mafia Rayn from vig, mafia shoots Holyflare and janitor shoots hopeless (who was not generally considered to be towny)?
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On November 25 2014 00:04 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 23:59 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 23:48 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 23:40 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2014 22:28 ritoky wrote:
people posting around the time of that post:
rayn, GB, templar, damdred, slam
@damdred, slam, templar - why did you not question rayn in regards to his save claim particularly when there's nothing in the rules about it and someone even pointed it out? Hi. This is a good point. I actually wasn't here, but it is something I had already considered. It is highly unlikely to be false however and a really dangerous move for scum to pull because the medic knows who they saved. Therefore, while not holding Rayn 100% confirmed, I am basically consid- Oh yeah. Rayn also sees well with the eyes of Hijole; though different from Chupazi the way of Hijole is not useless. For tthis i then say ÁNDALE PUES RAYN You know, medic could actually save mafia Rayn. Anyway, this will confirm itself throghout the game. WHO ARE WE LYNCHING TODAY? You mean, medic saves the mafia Rayn from vig, mafia shoots Holyflare and janitor shoots hopeless (who was not generally considered to be towny)? Nope. Vigi shoots hopeless Mafia shoots holyflare Luger fails (50% chance) Mafia Rayn is healed by the doctor. He gets the notification. He sees the Luger failed and claims he was shot AND healed, confirming himself as town. It's more likely that his claim is real, tbh. But this is a possibility, if everytime someone is healed, they know it, even if they aren't shot.
Seriously doubt that you would get notified a doctor healed you unless you were actually shot.
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On November 25 2014 04:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 10:19 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 10:15 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 10:03 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 09:24 liancourt wrote:
@temp
was your SL case bait?
You said you don't like meta reads and yet you did a case based on one.
And you make a "sarcastic" post saying gb found the flaw in your case. WTF is this all about?
Personally, I don't trust meta reads done by other people, but I trust my own meta reads on people I've played with before. I don't trust your meta read on SL. Unless other people can back up your meta read on SL i'm not taking that case into consideration. No, my post before emphasizing how much I dislike meta reads was the 'bait'. The primary purpose was to see who was actually reading. Unfortunately, GB found it too quickly so it was pointless This doesn't make sense. 1) What can you draw from people actually reading? 2) Why is it unfortunately, as it proved someone was reading? I was trying to figure out who wasn't paying any attention. So, someone actually reading didn't help. In retrospect, it was a really bad idea, but I was not lying about it, I would have done exactly the same thing without thinking about it except I wouldn't have made that comment. This post...the bolded bit actually. In this post Templar claims mafia by saying what he would have done as town. Literally the bolded statement should end (in context) with "...if I were town" Or am I reading it wrong somehow?
"If I hadn't thought of it, I would have done exactly the same thing" is the intention
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lian what do you think about GB now that you've interacted with him a ton?
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On November 25 2014 10:00 liancourt wrote:
have you given up defending yourself and trying spread disdain throughout the lands to make us paranoid scum?
Answer the damn question
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On November 25 2014 10:00 liancourt wrote:
have you given up defending yourself and trying spread disdain throughout the lands to make us paranoid scum?
Yes, I have given up defending myself. It is a waste of time at this point and I'm cramming several assignments due tomorrow.
"Spreading disdain" lol, this is a game of mafia. Any number of people can create an infinite amount of disdain on their own.
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On November 25 2014 11:22 GlowingBear wrote:
I BET Templar is town.
Lets make a bet.
I bet I am town too. Do I win?
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Chezinu, it seems like you hadn't actually voted anyone, you don't need to unvote do you?
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On November 25 2014 13:10 sicklucker wrote:
chez had someone random voted like always he came to do a mafia hammer
yeah, but I can't find the actual vote...
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On November 25 2014 13:12 sicklucker wrote:
Like sign this is some mafia last ditch effort. Temp and ff put your vote on gb since too many are asleep to vote chez
so you're more certain that I'm not mafia than GB's not mafia?
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On November 25 2014 13:16 liancourt wrote:
Slam chez ff temp
scum team trying to shenanie
Where the fuck is everyone else
why am I the fourth name on your list and not the first
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On November 25 2014 13:17 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 13:16 liancourt wrote:
Slam chez ff temp
scum team trying to shenanie
Where the fuck is everyone else why am I the fourth name on your list and not the first
like seriously, you were tunneling me so hard I drew three arrows from your name to mine instead of one
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FF if you read me scum why did you unvote me anyway?
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On November 25 2014 13:20 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 13:06 The_Templar wrote:
Chezinu, it seems like you hadn't actually voted anyone, you don't need to unvote do you? I didn't want to die. Wasn't sure when deadline was and already had that image saved.
Ah, well it seems the host had you as voting liancourtyboy although I can't find that vote.
Why did you vote me?
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On November 25 2014 13:23 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 13:22 The_Templar wrote:
FF if you read me scum why did you unvote me anyway? I like shenannigans
seems totally legit
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liancourtyboy
sicklucker
ff
chez/slam
I believe that exactly 3 of these are mafia
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I'm VT by the way, in case any of you were wondering
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gg gl, sorry I didn't have that much time during day 2
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Does this mean I win my first game of mafia?
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On December 04 2014 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
like there was literally no way any of ritoky, ve, me, or ff was going to be mafia (when that was the case).
why the FUCK did mafia kill lian & gb?????
they were the ONLY mislynches IN THE WHOLE GAME you could POSSIBLY push.. ^^
Glad to see I wasn't the only person confused about that.
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