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On November 22 2014 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 02:07 KillerSOS wrote:On November 22 2014 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like seriously don't waste a lynch on a fucking townie.
If lian continues to be an useless asshole shoot him dead. That's what vigis are for... That's the exact level 2 kind of meta that would be an amazing play for a mafia member. So do you think that's what is going on? Do you think rayn is mafia and making some sort of amazing play? Is that what this post implies?
No I meant that his description of Lian represented a line of thought that would clear Lian for his obviously less than useful remarks, I didn't mean anything at all about Rayn's actual remark.
Poor usage of quotes I fear.
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On November 22 2014 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 02:07 KillerSOS wrote:On November 22 2014 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like seriously don't waste a lynch on a fucking townie.
If lian continues to be an useless asshole shoot him dead. That's what vigis are for... That's the exact level 2 kind of meta that would be an amazing play for a mafia member. So do you think that's what is going on? Do you think rayn is mafia and making some sort of amazing play? Is that what this post implies?
No I meant that his description of Lian represented a line of thought that would clear Lian for his obviously less than useful remarks, I didn't mean anything at all about Rayn's actual remark.
Poor usage of quotes I fear.
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On November 22 2014 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's not ignoring me he's correctly reading me town.
Regardless of whether you're town or mafia, mafia is more likely to read you town than town is because you confused the issue for half of the entire day.
So basically, you sheeping someone is a really bad idea
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Any reason, or are you just sheeping?
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Vote Templar for greatest town glory. :D
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I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia.
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On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia.
sort of unfortunate you don't have a normal game where I was mafia to compare too
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Well why are you town. I had you on my scum list I dont think you should be shocked. I can always unvote if you come off towny here
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On November 22 2014 03:15 sicklucker wrote:
Well why are you town. I had you on my scum list I dont think you should be shocked. I can always unvote if you come off towny here
No you didn't...
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On November 22 2014 03:23 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 03:15 sicklucker wrote:
Well why are you town. I had you on my scum list I dont think you should be shocked. I can always unvote if you come off towny here No you didn't...
You took credit for someone else mentioning that I could be scum, then you said "I'm bored of templar let's talk about someone else"
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If you haven't voted, you have to vote.
If you haven't put up a non-voting paint pic, you have to do so.
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MysteryMeat, your paint skills are inferior to sentinel 
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Hf why are ya wasting yourvote and not pushing your lynch?
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Templar thats just a lie quote plz I think your mistaking me for someone else
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On November 22 2014 04:04 sicklucker wrote:
Templar thats just a lie quote plz I think your mistaking me for someone else
No, you're right. I misread your post due to bad spelling
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On November 21 2014 04:50 sicklucker wrote:
Ok im on bored the templar scum train. Not rushing through the thread this time. Saying your bad in the second line of your first post and you didnt read it properly. I dont expect this from a 30k post guy. I expect him to have played a few games before can anyone tell me the meta here?. He never commits to his reads which is what id expect mafia to do. Also gives a end of post excuse to ignore the game and not read it in "the right direction"
I thought this said "Ok I am bored of the templar scum train"
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This post is mostly a further case on VE, and the rest is a defense. Since a lot of my activity this game has involved VE being very obviously scummy, the two are intertwined.
The main problem with not voting VE is that he's not only inconsistent and overconfident, he's also blowing things out of proportion and even occasionally lying.
On November 20 2014 18:08 The_Templar wrote:I woke up and read the thread but I'm so confused now. I see your scum reads but I actually do not understand why anyone looks scummy at all for the first three hours. Pretty much entirely neutral reads save maybe one or two in that time period, maybe I should read it again. Pre-post edit: I read the last few pages in reverse order and it mostly made sense. Hmm. This post is being made using information up to this post.VE looks suspicious to me. Disclaimer: I am a terrible player Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Holyflare knows that me being sure of my reads doesn't make me scum. He knows this. I can't fathom why he'd call me scummy if he's town. I literally can't. Because, in some games of mafia, people use slightly different logic and games turn out differently than others! Woah! Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town.
Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ.
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. I think this is a terrible mindset! There are 44 hours left in the day and you believe solved part of the game with certainty? Well, I would not give up your vote this soon in the day. It makes you look really weird in my eyes because you're only doing it to make your point that you believe that Holyflare is scummy... which you've already established pretty well. Should he show himself to be towny later on, you'd feel silly. So are you going to continue pressure on Hopeless or do you think he's made enough mistakes to look mafia until you vote him off? Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:51 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 17:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not you, I don't 100% commit to my reads that easily I'm not 100% committed to my read. LMAO Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. Which of these is the lie? Also Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not even dealing in absolutes. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 16:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 16:38 Alakaslam wrote:
VE what about hopeless1der He's probably still mafia. But HF first. Because he's a danger to town. Hopeless is just a danger of being annoyingly defensive. HF will lead you into oblivion. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I know that these posts are an hour apart, but I don't think you can say someone is probably mafia but predict they will flip town. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez drew a picture of me <3
Chez top town FOR LIFE!!!!!! This is a useless post, but it's OK because you 'contributed' and didn't start out with filler. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Post 100 in this quicktopic proves that Hopeless CAN NOT think I'm mafia here for thinking he's mafia because he's seen me play this game THIS WAY RECENTLY. It's true that the circumstances are a little different, I had replaced into that game and there was a lot of stuff to draw from in the thread - the salient point though is that I found a mafia for what may SEEM to be shaky reasoning IMMEDIATELY and pushed on it hard against one of the louder voices in the thread. IMMEDIATELY. He knows this is how I play as town, and now he would have you believe that he thinks I'm mafia. Don't believe his lies. I don't play metagame mafia (because I can't) but I'm interested in how definitive this post sounds. Anyway I don't have time right now for the rest of you because the Hot6ix cup is on, but I just found it interesting how much VE has dominated the thread while being... inconsistent.
My first post after the game began.
Some of the points that are considered weird/bad/scummy:
-The disclaimer
-The link to the previous post
-I misread this post, which made part of my case more confusing On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
-I called out VE for bad posting which is apparently blasphemous
Now, I believe that I already explained the disclaimer and the link, and nobody seemed to actually read my post -.-' so the clarity is unimportant.
My reasoning for making this post was that I would prefer to start out the game with some measure of clarity. When VE opened in the way he did, it pushed half of the players in the game completely out of my field of vision solely because of how many different things he said. I didn't even realize that some players like Chezinu had made posts, even after I re-read, even though he makes some of the first posts in the game. This made me feel uncomfortable to say the least.
VE has consistently tried to take, at the very least, more than his fair share of the spotlight. First he hinted at reasoning behind agreeing with someone in order to grab attention. Then he came up with a moderately large analysis post out of almost nothing. He refuses to actually change his mind about anything so far, and when he wants to, he just switches to a different subject that has a partly established opinion to look like his opinions are stronger or more correct.
Especially this, which I feel the need to bring up again since he has randomly decided that sheeping Rayn is a good idea instead of actually showing his *real* evidence against HF. And yes, he is sheeping Rayn, that's pretty obvious at this point I think.
On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town.
Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ.
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle.
This is also the last thing he said concerning me before randomly agreeing with rayn.
On November 20 2014 18:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Templar's post is bad, but I don't think it makes him mafia. It's an awful big post and a lot of effort for mafia to go to. IF he's mafia then why does he make that post? Like, I'm not the lynch today in any world, ever. If he wants to fight me about that fine - but why does he do that as mafia?
As he has not explained a damn thing since 5am yesterday morning, I don't expect him to actually answer this with anything but "you're so wrong", but I would like to ask: Why has one of rayn's case on me, which has not changed, or liancourt being "town", which is a really bad thing to assume, suddenly convinced you that I would be a good lynch? Is there some reason I'm not seeing at all?
And don't answer that it was your idea that Lian is town. That would be referring to this post:
On November 21 2014 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 03:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
absolutely riveting VE. anything new with your reads? Rayns posting makes him look town to me. I think I agree with his townread of lian, but mainly because in the last game he was scum and was much more amicable with town...in a pacifying kind of way. Very unlike what he's doing in this game. I don't like necessarily what he's doing in the thread (just trying to make everyone angry) but like rayn I think he's probably town.
Your case in this post is that since he was trying in a game where he happened to be mafia, he shouldn't be mafia since he's not trying. That is a terrible case.
I am only pointing this sheep out because VE was extremely confident at the beginning of the day but doesn't seem to have an original idea at this point to follow. So, something about his play at the beginning of the day is justifiably off, as I said.
Back to the post I made at the beginning:
I think this is a terrible mindset! There are 44 hours left in the day and you believe solved part of the game with certainty? Well, I would not give up your vote this soon in the day. It makes you look really weird in my eyes because you're only doing it to make your point that you believe that Holyflare is scummy... which you've already established pretty well. Should he show himself to be towny later on, you'd feel silly.
So are you going to continue pressure on Hopeless or do you think he's made enough mistakes to look mafia until you vote him off?
My point at this part of the post is that VE is suspicious as he pushed Holyflare until he over-reacted. This is justified by the fact that, after I wrote this, he continued to push HF but never actually made a REAL, detailed case on him, only repeating over and over that he was obviously bad.
Now, I only think this is suspicious because of partly where and mostly when it happened. The beginning of day 1 is not the time to say you are quite sure about something, you don't say you're keeping your vote on someone for the remaining 44 hours of the day, and you DON'T make "strong early reads" at the beginning of the game, at least not in the way he was doing it. His original vote was based on...
A bad paint drawing.
On November 20 2014 13:54 Chezinu wrote:
On November 20 2014 13:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
is that an iceberg or a water monster?
As my serious side showed up for this game and not my entertaining side, I would rather not distinguish between the one person that makes paint in response to paint, and the person that asks for clarification on the paint. Heck, you could reverse your opinion and say that asking for clarification is towny and that imitation of someone else's work in such a way is scummy.
On November 20 2014 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
VE ELABORATE OR I LYNCH YOU
On November 20 2014 14:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
so hopeless wundurr is scum because he tried to be serious? (Just mentioning that this was completely ignored despite being a huge overreaction)
Now, Hopeless's reaction was actually really far from an overreaction.
On November 20 2014 15:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE colored me green, I see no reason to comment further.
(Obviously not serious)
On November 20 2014 15:10 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
And yo, Chez is the one with the case on you Hopeless. Gotta respond to him. I just agree with him. lol wut. there is no case, there's me seeing a ridiculous picture and wondering "what the fuck?"
I'm guessing this is the one line response that you see as the "overreaction". I'll come back to this.
On November 20 2014 15:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.
What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture? Is that going to help you get a read on Chez?
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town. I think you are overjustifying way too hard.
Unless you have huge knowledge bombs to drop, I don't see anything wrong with this in context. You are voting him based on a few bad paints that other people made, after all. Making a serious case based on that an hour into the game is easily perceived as trying too hard.
Back to the most serious post he made in that time period. Since the paint is unclear, I don't see any problem with wondering "what the hell is this supposed to be?" After all, I thought the same thing while re-reading the thread. I'm pretty sure most of us did. And he was the only person to even respond to that particular post, fecal was focusing on mysterious snowflakes.
On November 20 2014 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.
What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture? Is that going to help you get a read on Chez?
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town. I think you are overjustifying way too hard. It's one observation. How can ONE observation about ONE thing you've done be "overjustification"? That's complete nonsense LMAO
This is an overreaction to the "overreaction". Isn't that funny.
So basically, VE makes a case based on general human behavior and votes hopeless, who doesn't think that anything that has been done matters at this point. Honestly, I'm OK with the pressure vote, but after that he was clearly tunneling and trying to find a reason to keep pushing his case which shouldn't be the case.
Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez drew a picture of me <3
Chez top town FOR LIFE!!!!!!
This is a useless post, but it's OK because you 'contributed' and didn't start out with filler.
I said this in jest to try to make the point that his picture-drawning case was completely worthless. He was obviously trying to take his case too far.
I don't play metagame mafia (because I can't) but I'm interested in how definitive this post sounds.
Anyway I don't have time right now for the rest of you because the Hot6ix cup is on, but I just found it interesting how much VE has dominated the thread while being... inconsistent.
Yes this part looks dumb. I said this because I made a mistake in Mission mafia by making a large post similar to this before leaving for a while without clarifying anything, and people said my post looked scum. So at the time, I thought that clarifying that I wouldn't be able to answer questions about it would be better.
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lol im not on the vote count or the list of people to vote
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