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Sorry for question spam but I don't like ambiguous rules. | ||
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So I'm assuming meta-information is allowed, given this game is a mix of noobs and veterans, seems good to have an idea of who's which.
I think that's it, I just Ctrl-F'ed the Mafia library. | ||
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The only concrete information I can see is if a cop announces himself and someone he's confirmed innocent, and then the cop is killed, confirming the Townie. What am I missing? | ||
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p.s. Ghandi, decide if you want Blue or White as your champion. League will decide my vote! Same goes for Wave, first post gets first pick! | ||
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I assume there's a bunch of euros we won't hear from for awhile, who is there other than frenchie? | ||
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You said that you didn't 'expect that from me,' meaning that you must have some expectations as to how I play, yet I don't see how you could have any expectations since you don't know how I play. I mean, part of the reason I mentioned games played is we can actually look at them. Apparently you guys are particularly suspicious of me when I tryhard and get information, but we can just look at past game threads and see how Wave posts when he's mafia vs town. | ||
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Or at least, a bunch seem suspicious that I would post meta-information at all, and there's too many of you saying that for you to all be scum. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:54 jcarlsoniv wrote: But you're not getting useful information, you're just doing things that are seemingly helpful. Who are your scum reads? So... Wave isn't very suspicious to me, as the veteran player he made big early post to set some atmosphere, I wouldn't infer anything from that. Undecided. Ghandi has only posted one-liner posts, accusing Wave most of the time. My current suspect. You (soniv) actually seem to making the most direct posts/questions. No evasiness or wishy-washiness. Most likely Townie. ketchup's pretty generic. I would be suspicious of him for being suspicious of me but there's a bunch of you who seem to hate meta-information, so I think he's actually Town. Playing League, more deductions later. | ||
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On October 11 2014 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Alzadar why does Jeff's posting make him scum? He's trying extra hard to appear like a shitposter. | ||
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On October 11 2014 21:52 Cixah wrote: Question for Alzadar: How Town is Wave for you? Wave is 70% Town. At this point he's really driving the discussion, I don't think he would such a central role if he was scum. I'd like to mention that MoonBear and ComaDose have made only the same kind of "observation with no conclusion" style posts that you all seem suspicious of me for. Which leads me to say - I feel like there must be some scum among those who are suspicious of me: after Wave and Soniv declared their suspicion I became an easy target for people to say "oh I'm suspicious of Alz" without actually contributing anything new. ketchup in particular has focused entirely on Wave and myself (both of us already being under suspicion when he did), and has basically only repeated arguments other people had already said. | ||
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More suspicious is Cixah, who showed up to the Alzaparty after you three, repeated what you'd already said and then voted. Then there's this kind of stupid post padding: On October 11 2014 11:14 Cixah wrote: Wave: 55% Scum, 45% Town. Ketchup: Reads town to me right now. Only slightly though, 51% T 49% S. 55-45? 51-49? These aren't reads... | ||
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On October 11 2014 18:11 Dandel Ion wrote: Vote Count GhandiEAGLE (1): WaveofShadow WaveofShadow (1): GhandiEAGLE Alzadar (1): Cixah Not voting (11): The rest Currently, GhandiEAGLE is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in Remember that voting is mandatory. Probably important side-note: you missed a vote when counting: On October 11 2014 11:12 Lord Tolkien wrote: Right then Lynch wav gaiz. #vote WaveofShadow | ||
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I don't see why townies would bother to bandwagon at all. But if you were all mafia you'd be pretty stupid to all do the same thing. So I think one of you three at least is scum, but need more posts from Requizen to get a firm opinion on him. So let me ask you three: other than my posting meta-information and suggesting it's useful (which I still believe, but no point in going down there if everyone disagrees), what makes you suspicious of me? Please avoid repeating things Soniv and Wave have said. | ||
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On October 10 2014 00:33 Dandel Ion wrote: I should probably note that that is absolutely not required since I'm going to completely RNG the roles and alignments We shouldn't base anything off of "what would Dandelion pick", because he said it's random. Still waiting for Cixah or Req to explain what made them suspicious of me without resorting to repeating Wave and Soniv. And claiming innocence based on noobiness is garbage because we're almost all noobs here. | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:25 Lord Tolkien wrote: It was also wrong. Clearly had a 67% margin of error at least. Numbers taken straight from the database in this subforum, I just looked them up. They may be inaccurate, but the point wasn't fine precision number of games. Still nothing from Cixah to shake my scum feeling. He's just repeating things Wave said, trying to look constructive while adding nothing. So tentatively... ##Vote: Cixah | ||
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Strategic talk: if you hold the oldest vote on someone (as Ghandhi did), you shouldn't change it arbitrarily, you're giving up tiebreak power. | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:48 Cixah wrote: 40 minute drive home op. I'm role claiming. Innocent Child While this doesn't have really any effect unless you buy into it and let me live until morning That's your call. Can we talk about this? Given that he's the current lynch candidate, it's either a gambit as Mafia Vigilante/Poisoner to get off his kill or he's telling the truth. I assume, Cixah, that you'll have this confirmed for day 2? I think we can be sure there aren't TWO innocent children, so I'm willing to believe Cixah on this unless someone else comes forward as Innoncent Child. Of course, there could be no Child at all and we'd be letting Cixah bluff his way into blowing one of our brains out. | ||
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I'm keeping my vote for now until I decide who a better pick is. | ||
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On October 12 2014 22:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:Mordek/Alzadar - do you still think 6ah is a worthy vote? Why? Would you want him dead over MoonBear? Do you have a scum read/reason for someone other than MoonBear? No. I'm satisfied with the Innocent Child claim for now, since nobody has disputed it. ##Unvote: Cixah Anyways: OWB is fully lurker atm, hopefully he shows up later today. Coma's semi-lurking but he's Canadian so he gets a pass for this weekend. Now I know it seems I'm hopping on a bandwagon here, but I've been thinking this for awhile and it's my strongest read yet: Lord Tolkien. Everything he's done so far has been empty distraction tactics: -already noted, but constantly saying "we should policy lynch lurkers, but I don't like policy lynch", even when at the time he was the only one even mentioning policy lynchings. He's trying to distance himself from it while still indirectly pushing for a lynch on OWB/Coma. -random video spam, this is just annoying and shits up the topic and his filter -he keeps repeating how my games played list was inaccurate. Why? I've already said I just took the numbers from the database, if those are wrong I can't help it. The point of the list wasn't to plug the numbers into an equation sqrt(x/y) = scum, just to point out "these guys are vets, these guys have played a bit, the rest of us are forum mafia nooblords". Despite everyone (except Coma) deriding that post I still think it's worth knowing - it's just extra information to take note of, obviously it shouldn't solely colour your judgement. -I don't know what I think about his wall post last page. He does end with a vote so it's not just fluff like some other previous, but it doesn't feel like a hugely insightful post either. ##Vote: Lord Tolkien My only misgiving is his voting for MoonBear, who is my second pick for scum. | ||
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MoonBear, what do you think of Lord Tolkien? Is he scummier than you? | ||
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We're <5h from deadline and we need to start consolidating So, we've got two 3-votes and a bunch of 1s. How do you lean between the 3s? Heads-up: I'm going to a friend's for another Thanksgiving dinner at 5ish EDT, and very likely won't be back before 8. So it's T-1:30 on my vote. I'm sticking to Tolkien for now but I see Moon as pretty scummy so I'll change if that's how the town leans. | ||
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You guys were all discussing what to do if MB didn't show up, whether to lynch + modkill or just kill MB. Then MB came and voted, making the discussion moot. Wave says "stfu about that now, let's talk about relevant stuff", and then ketchup pulls this "nu-uh, you're not my mom" bullshit. There's nothing wrong with trying to refocus the thread back towards the impending vote once the modkill was no longer going to happen. This doesn't make me think ketchup is scum but it's definitely not helping us to jump down Wave's throat in an instance when his direction is obviously legitimate. | ||
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If you want to hear a new line of thought Soniv could you explain what you meant here: On October 13 2014 08:37 jcarlsoniv wrote: nah man, I'm comfortable leaving my vote where it is. There was a wagon on LT, given momentum by you. There was a subsequent re-wagon on Jeff. Wanna know who gave that one momentum? You. *gasp* If the Bear bleeds like I think he will, I'm comin' for ya buddy On October 13 2014 08:44 jcarlsoniv wrote: (PS - I think MB will flip red) | ||
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On October 13 2014 09:26 WaveofShadow wrote: I won't discuss what I think people should be doing at night or not because again I'll probably be yelled at. Do what you want. i.e. useful discussion being stifled, which is anti-town even if it's not intentional scum. | ||
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On October 13 2014 20:38 jcarlsoniv wrote: Explain what? I thought moonbear would flip red ("bleed red"), and that if he did, there was a strong possibility of Wave being scum as well. Day 1, Wave swung his weight around, and he did give momentum to bandwagons when he did vote. Both bandwagons seemed determined to get the lynch away from MB, so I thought I was right. I was not. But when you made that post Wave still had his vote on MoonBear. Wave unvotes and calls for votes off MoonBear after you made that post (the post immediately after, so maybe it was simultaneous, but you can't have been reacting to him). | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:48 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think those were contradictory---I think Alz was saying it was anti-town that discussion was being stifled not, that I was the one doing it. He can clarify though. You've got the right of it. On October 14 2014 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote: This alone should be suspicious. Scum are playing well when they draw no focus. Although true I guess, it this really "suspicious"? If it's suspicious to not be under suspicion... | ||
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So who voted for MoonBear and why? On October 12 2014 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote: y'know what? fuck it ##vote: MoonBear You can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions. THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED + Show Spoiler + Soniv was first here. This was still pretty early and I think he had some solid reasoning, it's similar to why I suspected MB. Later he unvotes because he thinks MoonBear is going to be modkilled but revotes when MoonBear appears. I don't mind Soniv sticking to his guns here, MB was definitely suspicious. Dunno what I think of Soniv being completely unswayed by Wave's blue assertion. Tolkien was next, seems like a straightforward vote. Was still early in the day and the other main candidate at the time was himself, so not surprising he would vote the other way. Later he was a big MoonBear defender. On October 13 2014 03:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Sticking with Moonbear because I feel bad about no-votes, but I'm not 100% convinced. ##Vote: Moonbear Ghandhi next, he just completely jumped on the bandwagon. Voted Wave early, which obviously wasn't going to happen, then hopped on the MB train and sat there happily till night. Asmo felt it was between Ghandhi and MB, Ghandhi posted a wall that convinced him a bit so he flipflopped back to MoonBear. Doesn't seem too suspicious. Alaric posts fucking massive walls, wtf. He voted and then said this: On October 13 2014 07:13 Alaric wrote: On the other hand, just because it's Moonbear's first game doesn't mean he's not maybe better at this kind of things than you. An issue for me here is that I have no idea what "serious" Moonbear is like, since he's always that jolly cheerful fellow with us in the off-topic thread (heck, even when he warns me it's more like "PSA from your friendly neighbour"!), which muddies my expectations. But in the end I said I'd rather vote for someone dubious than an afk*, so I'm looking at him right now. Moonbear, what that means is that you're close to a default lynch than a 100% scum read for me, so if you wanna stay alive it's up to you buddy! Be convincing, preferable before I go to bed. I think most can agree that MB was not convincing that he wasn't scum. Which maybe he thought was alright since he was Vanilla. You've all discussed Wave already. Cixah's post is weird: On October 13 2014 08:50 Cixah wrote: ##Vote Moonbear I guess this is how this is going to down? I don't like the lynch based on what i've seen, I even think Ghandi is still the better pick even if he claimed vanilla town. I don't buy that claim either TBH, We'll have to wait and see after the night. You think Ghandhi is a better pick, so you vote MoonBear when it was still within a vote of being Jeff? Obviously the IC claim makes it hard to suspect Cixah but you better believe if it doesn't get announced tomorrow that you are gonna swing. From all that, Ghandhi is the most suspicious. Either completely bandwagony Townie or scum happy to sit on a mislynch without really debating the issue. | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:09 ComaDose wrote: soniv did ride the moonbear ban to the finish line. actually he voted for moonbear twice but no one else. who was his main read between them? i feel wave and LT being townie after it looks like they put a lot of effort in near the finish time. and it turns out we were right to doubt our decision. even if LT is a little trollish often. Nobody. He unvoted MB because it seemed like MB would be modkilled, but then when MB voted he hopped back on. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote: Now, if there was one person who could reveal wave (and myself's) alignment through a lynch, who would you press? That's easy, and I've been meaning to say it. Tolkien and Wave were both strong defenders of MoonBear at the end, with Wave randomly picking out Asmo after nobody mentioning him for awhile and Tolkien pushing for Jeff. If we lynch Ghandhi and he flips Mafia, then we can be pretty damn sure Tolkien is Town: it makes no sense to try to start momentum away from a Townie and on to Scum when the vote was still in the air. Wave is less certain because he went on Asmo which was essentially a no-lynch vote. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:47 ketchup wrote: Alzadar, a quick correction, Wave has actually been heavily on Ghandi for a long time. Since the start of the game actually. So tolkien and wave would be fairly cleared Are you sure? Go back and read Wave's posts. His opening post he votes Ghandhi yes, but it was basically just trolling (in the true sense) at that point, there was no argument behind it. He doesn't mention Jeff at all again until page 6 of his filter. Then close to the lynch deadline he wanted to save MoonBear, but he throws away his vote on Asmo instead of on the close candidate, Jeff, who he's apparently distrusted the whole time? Why? | ||
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On October 14 2014 04:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Soniv is absolute primary lynch tomorrow. On October 14 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah so I just realized a quarter of the posts in this thread belong to me. At the risk of not much discussion occurring in my absence, I'm done until after deadline. You guys can keep it up. I bereave. In case I die, scumreads are Soniv Asmo Look into Coma/Alz/Jeff Null on owb but leaning town. Also on LT---LT SHOULD be town but lord has his posting been shit today. mordek/ketchup/Req/Cixah/Alaric Don't let anyone fall off the radar. How did Soniv go from absolute primary lynch to being underneath a "look into" Jeff? | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:39 Cixah wrote: Can I get a little bit of insight on what this means? It helps math. Mafia can kill one per night. I guess in larger games they might get to kill two per night. I think we can be damn sure that Tolkien was killed by mafia, since Serial Poisoner wouldn't have taken effect yet and our Vigilante is fucked in the head if he shot up LT. I'm not as convinced as Wave we don't have a Vig. There's more than one way the Vigilante could have been stopped - Medic on the target, Jailkeep on the target, Jailkeep on the Vig, Roleblock on the Vig. Gimme a sec I want to math the odds. | ||
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If you were so sure MoonBear was Town, and you've also been suspicious of Jeff the entire game, why did you essentially throw away your vote on Asmodeus instead of voting for Jeff, when there was a very real chance Jeff could be lynched instead of MoonBear? | ||
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On October 14 2014 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote: I think in my head I was a little 'surer' of Asmo since he did dick all around deadline. Now I'm kind of mad at myself, though I can't say for certain I would have been able to get enough people to switch back to Jeff even if I had been confident enough. I can. This was 10 minutes before the lynch: On October 13 2014 08:50 Cixah wrote: ##Vote Moonbear I guess this is how this is going to down? I don't like the lynch based on what i've seen, I even think Ghandi is still the better pick even if he claimed vanilla town. I don't buy that claim either TBH, We'll have to wait and see after the night. What's happening with coma then? Cixah, who's motives are now beyond reproach since he's the IC, said he would rather lynch Jeff than MoonBear, and between the two of you you could have swung it. | ||
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Let's see what the man has to say. ##Vote: ComaDose | ||
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##Unvote I would like to hear you talk about Requizen though: you haven't discussed him at all in any of your posts. | ||
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I need to go back into Soniv's filter and get a sense for myself. | ||
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Tolkien's last words are relevant: On October 14 2014 08:14 Lord Tolkien wrote: At work still so this EoN post will be much shorter than what i normally spew out. 1) fking jeff. Im extremely unhappy he's still afk lurking. This isnt making you seem more town you know, and now im really getting serious about tunneling you. If Req can put in effort so can you. 2) Soniv or Wave wagon fine if questionable for d2. Should still press other options. 3) Again, depending on what alignment you think jeff is, examine the votecount. if jeffs scum in your eyes, scum is more likely on the MB wagon. If town, they're likely anywhere, but probably were idling on non-votes. The MB counterpush at EoD was pretty palpable. Soniv vs Wave wagon: between the two, Wave is more trustworthy for me. If he's scum then he's bold as hell and has us all dancing like marionettes. Soniv has been more reserved, but seems to be "flailing" at bit more now that he's in the spotlight. At this point I'm back to trusting Wave. Beyond that, ketchup is my #1 Townie as long as that roleblock claim goes uncontested. I'd like to hear from Cixah regarding Soniv. What do we learn from a Soniv lynch? If he's red then Jeff probably is too; the reverse is also true if we lynch Jeff. Asmo's got the right of it in his post, though I'm a bit suspicious of him still. It's still early in the Day, so I'll throw my vote for a bit of Town solidarity. ##Vote: jcarlsoniv | ||
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Essentially right now I'm feeling pretty sure of Wave, Alaric, Ketchup, myself and Cixah obviously. Fishy scum: Soniv, Ghandhi Fishy: Asmo, Req Rest I don't have a real read on. | ||
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Coma I was mostly voting at to prod him into action. It worked, and if he stays posting at the rate he did on p58 then he's clean in my book. Mordek is a fucking ghost. Not necessarily lurking but I haven't taken much notice of him. Looking back it seems like the two of us have been in lockstep with our votes: we were both on Cixah till he claimed IC, then he followed me to LT, and now we're both on Soniv (although I voted after, I didn't see his vote first). I *think* this is a good sign, means we're thinking in the same pattern, and overall I get a Town vibe from him. OWB was AFK for the first while, but has picked up since. Calls on me a lot, which is fine, it's usually when I'm being too lazy to post (and I guess like right now). He seems to agree with me that ketchup and Wave are in the clear. I'm not as sure as Mordek (and both are less sure than the rest), but I'll say Town. | ||
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Four town enemies are what we're expecting, and that's what I read. Between Soniv, Ghandhi, Asmo and Req, which lynch gives us the most information? It's got to be one of the former two, Asmo and Req tell little if they turn red. | ||
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On October 15 2014 03:37 jcarlsoniv wrote: Once again, I state - this is why LT is dead. He was the only one who realized that I was town. Someone mentioned to look at his last post, and it says "if unsure, a Wave or Soniv vote works D2". However, I am where everyone's focus went immediately, and what's happening right now is a bandwagon through and through. And you can bet your ass that scum are happy it's happening. I'll grant you that LT wasn't outright calling for your lynch, but he definitely didn't "realize you were town", he was pretty suspicious of you. | ||
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On October 14 2014 08:14 Lord Tolkien wrote: At work still so this EoN post will be much shorter than what i normally spew out. 1) fking jeff. Im extremely unhappy he's still afk lurking. This isnt making you seem more town you know, and now im really getting serious about tunneling you. If Req can put in effort so can you. 2) Soniv or Wave wagon fine if questionable for d2. Should still press other options. 3) Again, depending on what alignment you think jeff is, examine the votecount. if jeffs scum in your eyes, scum is more likely on the MB wagon. If town, they're likely anywhere, but probably were idling on non-votes. The MB counterpush at EoD was pretty palpable. 4) lots of people will be reevaluated when i get home. Highly doubt ill get shot lol. If so, lelscum. 5) snip His opinion changed as dawn got closer. You aren't cleared if lynching you is "fine". | ||
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On October 15 2014 04:46 Cixah wrote: For a 2, potentially 3 faction game we have 6 factions and that shit needs to stop. Our lynch today from my perspective feels like we glean the most from Ghandi, Soniv doesn't feel right here to me. We need a lynch on scum today and I feel like Ghandi is the best still, even close to 24 hours later. Ketchup and Alza, You two have been a little quiet today for my tastes. Not the worst thing in the world, but I need to know your opinions here. You have the gun in your hand right now, are you killing Soniv, Ghandi, or Req. Ignore any other out lying factors. The answer's in my vote. We learn roughly equal things from Soniv and Ghandhi lynches, but Soniv is more dangerous left alive if he's scum. | ||
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Something that hasn't been mentioned: there is a cop among us. Don't try to figure out who it is (or if you do, keep it to yourself), but realize that one of us has true knowledge about someone else. | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Req has little to no connection with me, so lynching me has no impact on how he flips. You pursued him closely, but never really gained traction for it. Despite this lack of traction, you still made a push for it. If you flip red he's finally essentially proven townie and will sort out this whole mess with him. If you flip green, I think everyone would be ok with a Req lynch (or at least force his potential blue role). I think if you flip red Alzadar is also under a lot of consideration. When you flip red you'll also finally prove me innocent, something that nothing else but my own death will do (since Wave and Ketchup are pretty damn town). My point is that you have a connection with many more players than I do. Other than passing exchanges, right now I really only have significant connections with you, Wave, and Ketchup, and we know most about those people. You're the only real question mark tied with me, and maybe Coma is as well. I'd like to see to hear you expand on this claim, I'm baffled to hear how Soniv flipping red would point at me. | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote: This is an entirely new POV and shows that Asmo is attempting to think about connections between scummers. Now some people including myself have pointed out that pre-flip association isn't particularly useful, and often results in confirmation bias leading you and others astray. That however, isn't my main point. My biggest problem (and it is literally a problem, because I'm not sure I can give a completely unbiased answer to it): Which alignment posts something like the bolded? Who is thinking about leaving a scum to be sacrificed? Is this something that is going on in the scum QT that Asmo is trying to 'bring to light?' Is he just thinking really critically? I am not trying to lead on any answers here, but I want opinions. I think that section of the post is the key to cracking Asmo one way or another. I think this is just weird speculation by Asmo. I had him as fishy but I'm not feeling it from this post. Why would he be spilling the scum beans if this was actually their plan? But simultaneously, where did he conjure up this convoluted scheme? It reminds me of Cixah's post just after night, where he was guessing at how x shot at y who was roleblocked by z, basically oddly in-depth speculation. But in Cixah's case it means nothing, the man's an innocent child. | ||
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On October 15 2014 13:28 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Looking through Soniv's filter, he hasn't been nearly on top of you anymore. On day 1/night 1, he made remarks towards you relatively often. It's much less so recently, but that also loops around to the fact that you have had very little participation in moving guilt towards anyone yet. But at the same time, you haven't made many connections with people. So lynching you gets us nowhere again. Speak up more so we can tell if you're town or not. This is just more of Soniv's scum play, I'd say. He hounds the weaker townies to look like he's doing something but backs off and finds a new target when they've proven themselves. I wouldn't be too surprised to see him do the same thing with Req if more of us start leaning town for him. I'm going to bed now. Tomorrow we lynch some scum. | ||
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5 1 It's time to make a choice, Alaric. Coma's not being lynched today. | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote: When you flip red you'll also finally prove me innocent, Did you ever explain why this remotely makes sense? Soniv flipping red makes you even more suspicious, given how the D1 vote went down. | ||
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On October 16 2014 00:48 ComaDose wrote: since everyone has voted for jeff or soniv now does that mean that the mafia votes lie there as well? does that imply one of them arn't scum? should the town consolidate their votes onto someone to see who resists? I don't think so. See all the talk of bussing: I think Soniv and Ghandhi are both scum, trying to create distance between each other so that when one falls the other is 'cleared'. | ||
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On October 16 2014 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote: If either you or soniv is 3P I suggest you claim. If you were Serial Killer faced with lynching as Mafia, would you claim? Is there ever a 3P-Town alliance? | ||
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On October 16 2014 02:57 Requizen wrote: I'm here. Anything else to add? | ||
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On October 16 2014 04:11 ketchup wrote: Here are a few questions that I am currently having: Why is Wave jumping on the mordek voting that was started by someone he feels is so heavily scummy that he has been after him since day 1? What's with the late day 2 vote switch by wave? I mean he could pressure mordek without voting for him. What's with OWB's jump on mordek as well? How did the mordek get three quick votes in the span of 1 hour? Seems like more of a pressure vote by all of them, mordek hadn't been around much in awhile, start putting his name on the lynch list and lo and behold he shows his face and makes a big post. This doesn't incriminate him necessarily: scum and townie alike are prodded by being voted at. | ||
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On October 16 2014 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote: There would be at least one other person in the thread interested in pushing it, right? Let's assume Req is town (because this is your viewpoint). And let's assume 3 scum (that seemed to be a reasonable conclusion that we arrived at +1 3p). That means that if both Jeff and I were scum, there would be one other person in the thread on our team. This day has been the Soniv and Jeff show from the start, so would it not follow that the scum team would want to be coordinated early on to get the votes somewhere else? Ketchup and I were really the only ones pushing Req, so does that mean you think ketchup is scum? That's one possibility. Another is that with an almost certain scum lynch today (both main suspects are scum), you all try to distance yourselves from each other. | ||
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On October 16 2014 05:10 GhandiEAGLE wrote: He did not. I claim VT, Tolkien is VT, MoonBear is VT, and Wave claims VT. Just to keep track of VTs Not very useful, there's got to be at least 6 VTs in the game so it's not like we're catching anyone in a lie. Wave's claim was in his semi-trolly opening post too. | ||
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On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly? Who are you asking? | ||
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On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly? Meh. Was it much of a wagon? Looks like just Soniv and then Ketchup voted him. I still feel pretty good about my Ketchup as Town read. Speaking of which, if someone other than Ketchup was roleblocked N1, you'd better speak up because it's a big point in his favour for me. | ||
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Could have been an attempted misdirection wagon but I don't see it - there was legitimate cause to suspect Req, even if most of us didn't see it as a true scum read. | ||
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On October 16 2014 07:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I just realized who REALLY looks like shit right now. Alzadar. And it's not because he hasn't unvoted specifically, but because he's not here at a crucial time---much like if Coma's scum, neither of them would have any reason of thinking this would be anything but town/town all day if Jeff flips green. I think I might feel better about a Jeff flip if only because we may be able to nail a shit ton of people. Busride + groceries, just catching up now. Hot damn did shit go down. | ||
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If you were going to fake a Blue claim, Parity Cop is the obvious choice. It's a weird role that's probably not even in the game, you have an excuse for having nothing to show from N1 and nobody else can even confirm it, unlike Medic/Jailkeep where you're told you were protected/roleblocked. | ||
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On October 16 2014 07:52 Requizen wrote: The thing is you're right. But if he is blue, then lynching him is basically writing our death warrant. Given that we've lost two VTs at this point, I don't feel confident putting a vote on him at the moment. Even if he is Blue, isn't he essentially demoted to VT now that he's outed? He'll never get another check off, presumably. | ||
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On October 16 2014 07:50 WaveofShadow wrote: They're pretty risky. Soniv would have had to assume there wasn't already a parity cop. Soniv was set to be lynched. Let's assume he's Scum. He claims Parity Cop. We believe him, and he saves himself. We don't believe him, and he gets lynched anyway. Nothing lost. The real Parity Cop comes forward, discrediting him. He still gets lynched but he sniffed out a Blue. Better than not claiming. As a scum, there's no reason for him not to claim Parity Cop. I see what people mean about the risk-reward shifting though. I've said my bit. ##Unvote At least now if Soniv spends the rest of eternity bragging about swindling us all with his Parity Cop claim I can say I was somewhat more suspicious than the rest. | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:00 GhandiEAGLE wrote: And seriously guys in future Mafia games have someone be the busdriver role. It's 10/10. I think that role adds way too much mayhem. No actions make any sense. I played a live werewolf game once where there were actually no werewolves. The host just killed off a random person each night and then we all pointed fingers during the day. Fucking ridiculous. | ||
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##Vote: GhandhiEAGLE Hopefully don't need to re-explain this vote. | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I did, the question was already answered before you brought it up. Just sayin' Links? All I see is Req laying out 3 options and saying "statistically, only 2 of these are bad so there's 2/3 chance this is bad". | ||
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And also the least insightful townie to date. There's no way this big swing is legit. Cixah said something random and scum have taken it and run with it. | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:27 ketchup wrote: Two people started the vote: Cixah - 100% town Soniv - unconfirmed parity cop role. As a scum he doesn't benefit at all from the claim this early. Then we have Ghandi, me and Wave. Of these three, Ghandi is looking hard to defend himself(seeming almost desperate town role), I am fairly townie to everyone concerned(I know I'm town to me or worst case 3p leaning town to any doubters), and Wave(Who is fairly townie or worst case 3p leaning town) Last we have mordek and asmo. Asmo's been climbing on my town charts, and mordek is still questionable. Of all the above, this is a fairly townie train rolling through here. Cixah is town but his reads are shit and nobody can deny that. In a moment I'll get to his other post. Soniv is who knows at this point but he had nothing to lose trying to start a wagon. The rest of you have either gotten caught up in the excitement or are scum amazed at their luck. This is absurd and you all know it. | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:26 Cixah wrote: So here's why Alzadar. My scum read was super apparent in day 1 where you led the bandwagon against a complete noob player. Not only did you IMMEDIATELY jump off it once I claimed IC, you were the next person in your group to bandwagon onto MB and LT. During the night that night you still call into question all of the plays and reads I've been making through the night which is fine as I had not yet confirmed. However, come time for the reveal you never ONCE even refer to the post I make regarding the role situation, which is EXACTLY what I wanted. There is no way in hell a scum is going to go anywhere near that post out of chance that they give more information to town or draw attention to their selves. For me that post Confirmed Ketchup and Wave. Come day 2 any read I make, or any post I make that asks for your input on Ghandi, Wave or Ketchup you ignored. Top it off with the cocky post here at the end and you can practically tie your own noose. I led the bandwagon? I voted for you because Wave was pushing for votes and you were most suspicious at the time. When nobody disputed your IC claim I stepped off, which is what everyone did because it makes sense. And I did refer to your weird 1-4 night suggestions several times, go back and look. | ||
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On October 14 2014 11:54 Alzadar wrote: Can we have Dandel rule on whether Innocent Child can be roleblocked? It isn't listed as blue rule which makes me think the answer is no. Cixah points 2-4 are just idle speculation. I don't see why we'd suspect Tolkien was vig'd. | ||
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I am the Town Medic. Nobody found it weird that there was only one death N1? I can't say for sure if I stopped that, but I did protect Wave, who should be able to confirm that for you all (please still be around!!). I'm not sure if Soniv is scum or actually Parity Cop, but lynching me sure isn't any better. Get your stupid votes back on Jeff where they belong. | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:44 WaveofShadow wrote: lolwut How would I confirm that you're medic? Also fuck this Message saying you've been protected? | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:44 WaveofShadow wrote: And why would it be weird that there's only one death N!? Where would the other deaths have come from? Vigilantes on either side. | ||
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Zzz really? That's not a thing? Medic chilling at your house and you don't get a message that he's there? | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:54 Cixah wrote: Alza protect wave. Can't target the same person twice in a row. | ||
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On October 16 2014 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Also I'm pretty sure I know who Coma poisoned and I'm not gonna say anything for hopes of doublestack. I wish we could talk privately, damn. I obviously won't openly say what I plan on doing, but I speculate we have a friendly Poisoner who's still holding his antidote. Just putting that out there, if you think a valuable Townie is poisoned he can maybe still be saved even if I get blocked. | ||
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On October 16 2014 22:55 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Soniv check me then Cixah so we can finally actually go after scum x.x He said he checked Cixah N1. Essentially he's now a normal Cop, because parity with Cixah is just a regular alignment check. This is moot now and this discussion is purely academic, but I'm not sure I agree about checking Cixah N1. Basically there's a decision to be made between flexibility, breadth and reliability of information. Cixah N1 gives you flexibility (you can check whoever you like N2) and reliability (parity with Innocent Child is a true Cop check). But if Cixah lied or was roleblocked, your N2 decision is unclear. You can circumvent this by checking your true target N1, and then doing Cixah N2, but that loses flexibility, you might change who you wanted to check by N2. Lastly, you might ignore Cixah and just go for a regular Parity check between two suspects. I think it's not trivial to say that knowing "A == B" is necessarily worse than "A == town". | ||
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On October 17 2014 01:00 mordek wrote: He's been doing a great job of convincing me of town since the lynch-train but he may just be throwing out any line he can think of that makes him seem innocent. I mean he did request to get parity checked. This is getting into WIFOM though right? I'd still keep him in the watch list. That request is meaningless since if he's scum he can ensure that Soniv dies or is roleblocked. | ||
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On October 17 2014 02:07 jcarlsoniv wrote: Why would 6ah not be poisoned? I guess he could have been? It's dangerous for me to assume Coma and potential scum Poisoner would think like myself, but why bother killing a vanilla? | ||
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Are there any variations with a Coroner, who can check the cause of death (and poisons in bloodstream) of someone who recently died? | ||
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On October 10 2014 00:33 Dandel Ion wrote: I should probably note that that is absolutely not required since I'm going to completely RNG the roles and alignments Does this mean that the roles that are in the game were randomized, or simply that who gets which role was randomized? i.e. was it equally likely that there be three Town Poisoners and no Medics/Cops as there being two Jailkeepers and a Medic, etc? | ||
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On October 17 2014 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Where did Asmo post? Also Alaric could you condense that monstrosity a little bit? I can honestly say I have e no idea of the final messages I'm supposed to get from that. Some tl;dr on each point, if you please. tl;dr don't trust Mr. Karate | ||
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Now look who's talking. Also Req wtf why would we not play another game after this one? | ||
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I think my favorite is 10x Cop, 1x Miller, 3x Godfather. | ||
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On October 17 2014 05:20 onlywonderboy wrote: Hmm, finally caught up. I'm still racking my brain trying to figure out why everything went down as it did. I'm uncertain about a lot of things but I'm interested to see what happens when Day 3 starts. I've been pretty inactive so sorry about about but it's been an incredibly busy day and I'll still be indisposed for a while. Will pop in when I can. What's your stance on Ghandhi post-flip? He was your main target D2. Jeff following the town bandwagon doesn't really do much either way since it's what you'd expect whether he's scum or town. | ||
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On October 17 2014 05:56 WaveofShadow wrote: I guess I'll elaborate if I survive the night and if I can.. Please not a repeat of this... On October 14 2014 08:14 Lord Tolkien wrote: 4) lots of people will be reevaluated when i get home. Highly doubt ill get shot lol. If so, lelscum. | ||
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I'm protecting Soniv tonight. My life for Aiur! | ||
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I was roleblocked though, obviously. | ||
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mordek GhandiEAGLE AsmodeusXI WaveofShadow Alaric Two of you are filthy scum. Requizen, Ghandhi and Asmodeus have the most suspicious posting styles. mordek doesn't post much, which I suppose is suspicious in itself. Wave and Alaric I've thought were town since Day 1, but all bets are off now I think, regardless of the advice of the dead. I'd like to see first impression votes from people. ##Vote: AsmodeusXI Don't consider this a condemnation, I just want to get things moving. I need to go back and look at how all the votes shifted around D1 and D2, I bet there's a pattern to find. | ||
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Requizen has voted for Lord Tolkien and WaveofShadow mordek has voted for Cixah, Lord Tolkien, Alzadar, GhandhiEAGLE and jcarlsoniv Ghandhi has voted for MoonBear, WaveofShadow, Cixah, ComaDose, Alzadar, jcarlsoniv, mordek Asmodeus has voted for MoonBear, Ghandhi, Alzadar, ComaDose, Ghandhi, jcarlsoniv WaveofShadow has voted for MoonBear, Ghandhi, Lord Tolkien, Asmodeus, ComaDose, Alzadar, jcarlsoniv, mordek Alaric has voted for MoonBear, Asmodeus, ComaDose, Ghandhi, jcarlsoniv onlywonderboy never received a vote from anyone. He voted for mordek and Ghandhi So, do OWB's votes clear mordek and Ghandhi? Not really. mordek was a pressure vote, and he quickly removed it. Ghandhi was the center of attention for most of the day and it's a plausible bus. I made Coma red because TL doesn't have purple. wtf. Colour discrimination! So... There are 15 possible scum combinations. Req and mordek - have not voted for each other Req and Ghandhi - have not voted for each other Req and Asmodeus - have not voted for each other Req and Wave - Req has voted for Wave, not the other way though Req and Alaric - have not voted for each other mordek and Ghandhi - have both voted for the other mordek and Asmodeus - have not voted for each other mordek and Wave - Wave has voted for modek, not the other way though mordek and Alaric - have not voted for each other Ghandhi and Asmodeus - everyone vote for Ghandhi except Req Ghandhi and Wave - everyone vote for Ghandhi except Req Ghandhi and Alaric - everyone vote for Ghandhi except Req Asmodeus and Wave - Wave has voted for Asmo, not the other way though Asmodeus and Alaric - Alaric has voted for Asmodeus, not the other way though Wave and Alaric - have not voted for each other I was hoping to see something clearer emerge. Requizen has been the most reserved with his votes, and hasn't voted for any confirmed enemies yet. Same goes for mordek, and the two of them have not voted for each other (not in itself suspicious). Obviously need to investigate pairings deeper than this, but that's all I've got for now. | ||
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So I guess we can assume Coma poisoned Ketchup, and there is no Mafia Poisoner? Or he also poisoned someone who's not deceased. | ||
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On October 17 2014 11:14 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I never voted for him Alaric, but I was clearly hounding OWB repeatedly, especially when nobody else was. Just looking at votes doesn't show a lot from me at all really since, until the end of each day, I was quite conservative with them. Obviously there's much more than votes, that post is mostly a reference for myself but I might as well share. The town's cards are all on the table now. | ||
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On October 17 2014 12:41 Requizen wrote: Also Alzadar's claim is sketchy as butts to me right now. I don't know, I just feel like the likelyhood of near-lynching two blues in a row seems small. And when the only one left standing can't prove himself in any way, I don't really know if I would trust him as far as I could throw him. Soniv turned out to be true, but he gave something close to evidence that he was "leaking" his role to observant readers, so I was more willing to accept it. I would have thought so as well, and I thought I was doing a pretty good job of supporting the Town without drawing too much scum attention until Cixah had a random urge and you all got excited about crunch time shenanigans (I have to admit, I would have gotten carried away as well). I didn't realize overt "breadcrumbing" was a thing like Soniv did. But if you read carefully you'll see I actually was trying to subtly feel around and see what people thought the Medic ought to do or did do. I never said "hey guys what should the Medic do?", but I tried to move conversation towards those topics. On October 11 2014 10:25 Alzadar wrote: I would assume Wave is a high priority target for mafia On October 14 2014 09:20 Alzadar wrote: Well not necessarily right? You're discounting Medic and Jailkeeper who might have prevented a Townie's kill (safe bet that Tolkien was scum kill). It's too dangerous still for blues to out themselves but you shouldn't assume we've got no Vig. On October 14 2014 09:48 Alzadar wrote:I'm not as convinced as Wave we don't have a Vig. There's more than one way the Vigilante could have been stopped - Medic on the target, Jailkeep on the target, Jailkeep on the Vig, Roleblock on the Vig. Anyways, I'm your Medic, and I'm all you've got now, except for a Poisoner with no vials. I'll be dead tomorrow morning, but I'd like to actually see a scummer get lynched before I go. | ||
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On October 18 2014 00:24 mordek wrote: There doesn't seem to be any apparent connection between Req and Asmo. I'm not sure. Asmo has been very consistently casually defensive of Req: On October 12 2014 05:28 AsmodeusXI wrote: We also have our townies: Alaric and Req. Also, I don't see Req's attitude as a cover YET. However, if townies start falling around him, I'll totally revisit that because it'd be a DAMN good play for scum. But it comes back the fact that I don't think either player is good enough at Mafia yet to being lying based on the contents of their posts thus far. On October 12 2014 23:58 AsmodeusXI wrote: Also, LT, you're jumping on Req's case for noob stuff, even to the extent of a policy lynch on him as if he were lurker scum, but 6ah and I have done similarly bad noob BS. Why Req more than anyone else? On October 13 2014 07:40 AsmodeusXI wrote: And Req's right... MB does have a sparse posting schedule in general. Some people don't have that excuse. On October 15 2014 10:40 AsmodeusXI wrote: At this point, we all kinda know how Req plays: volatile states, prone to lashing out. It's emotional play because Req's a sensitive dude (and this is not meant to offend sir), and it's easily manipulatable (even ketchup got his goat, and that was probably unintentional). If Soniv wants to cover his tracks well, the best way to do it is to set off Req since it's unlikely he'll be able to get a rise out of Wave at this point, and no one else has proven to be so easy to control (again, don't mean to offend buddy). That also fits in with the "fake anger" that Alaric pointed out: play an emotional game, get easy emotional feedback. I think the intent of this is to get the focus away from Soniv and onto Req, and I think it's working. Which is dangerous (Wave sees that). On October 15 2014 11:34 AsmodeusXI wrote: I'm not excusing it, I'm saying I'm buying it so far. Req's posting style all over this site reads like this on his bad days, and you and I both know that. His last game went into this direction at points, and you were in it with him. You're a good enough player that if you wanted to take advantage of that, I think you could. I don't know how well Req can fake his angry self. That's what would make it impressive to me On October 16 2014 06:03 AsmodeusXI wrote: I don't THINK Coma is scum, but he could still flip red (just unlikely to me). Same with Req, but he's more vocal and that ground been trodden. The reverse is also true. On October 14 2014 03:04 Requizen wrote: Filter check: AsmodeusXI Feeling: Town Posting Habits: Reasonable Asmo's posts give me a green vibe. I'm not trusting him yet, but I in no way have a bad feeling from him. Yes, he voted for MB, but he made that call very early and gave reasoning for it before the train began running. I have not agreed with every call he's made (for example, his aggression towards AFKers and his tirade against Jeff), but I think he's more town and anything. The only thing that stands out to me is his post after MB flipped green - the anger and regretfulness is in line with his normal posting style, but it only feels a little too forward, as if Mafia!Asmo is trying to force sounding regretful about his decision. But then, I've started to feel a bit mistrustful of any post that isn't strictly productive towards saving the town. This supports Asmo as town without being overly committal about it. It's also happened twice that someone makes a post listing Asmo as a suspect and Req is quick to reply with a redirection "what about these other people?". This may be a confirmation bias though, it's probably possible to find a lot of these vaguely supportive pairings. | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Upon reading owb's filter, I think the poisoner claim could be fake. I have to do some looking into owb's past games too. I really want to hear more about this, I can't make anything out of OWB's filter. | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:48 WaveofShadow wrote: His father is pretty juicy tbh. LOL | ||
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On October 18 2014 15:16 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Asmo's my top scum read now, but that's only really because I don't feel like I have a good read on any of the remaining people. Additionally, Wave, I guess I'm just bristling at you pushing so hard all the time. I'll go more into it later when I wake up. Eh, kind of hard to blame him for that, we're over half way through the cycle and we've had what, 2-3 pages? Losing Soniv was a big blow to Town activity, it seems. Cixah's said nothing, Asmo's just dropped the single post a few above me (acceptance of guilt?), and Req hasn't said too much. Sleep time for me as well. | ||
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On October 18 2014 22:54 Requizen wrote: Sorry guys work was absolutely psycho bonkers crazy yesterday, and today is getting ready for/attending a friend's party. I've already given my reasons for this vote and for now I feel comfortable placing it. ##vote WaveOfShadow Does that mean you won't be here at deadline? | ||
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On October 19 2014 08:58 Cixah wrote: Alza who are your top 3 protects tonight? Answering that question does not serve the Town - it is more information for Mafia, but doesn't give the Town anything since I'm the only one left with night actions. | ||
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On October 19 2014 09:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Back to the game, I didn't feel good about the Asmo lynch at all :/ Req's the next lynch for sure to me, although I'm sure my opinion will be changed before the night ends. If Mordek is actually town poisoner we're going to need a great poison tonight otherwise I think we're boned. Poisoner only gets 1 poison. Mordek says he used both his poison and antidote on Soniv, so there's nothing left. | ||
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On October 20 2014 23:43 Requizen wrote: Actually, if we mislynch tonight, we lose, right? Lol. This game has been pretty stupid from start to end. Right. If we lynch a Townie then they can safely kill me tonight with no chance of a block, and that leaves 2v2 which is a a scum win. Assuming there are two scum left. | ||
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Req made a pretty good case for Wave on N2, even Soniv was saying he had some good points. Then Soniv died. In my view Wave's posts are like 85% Townie Hero and then 15% real shitter, every time he's accused he gets mopey, question is if he's just annoyed at being accused when he's "obvious town" or if he's scum nervous at being highlighted. The only case for Req seems to be that he votes Wave all the time? | ||
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On October 21 2014 05:00 Requizen wrote: I will put my money where my mouth is - if it looks like a Ghandi bandwagon is getting more lynch-steam than Wave bandwagon, I will gladly jump on it to make it through to the finish line. This is really scummy. Ghandhi has shown himself to be pretty towny in the past 2 cycles, there's no townie reason not to care between lynching the two. ##Vote: Requizen | ||
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On October 21 2014 20:38 Dandel Ion wrote: [/b]Vote Cunt This was a typo my ass. | ||
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On October 16 2014 07:59 Alzadar wrote: Soniv was set to be lynched. Let's assume he's Scum. He claims Parity Cop. We believe him, and he saves himself. We don't believe him, and he gets lynched anyway. Nothing lost. The real Parity Cop comes forward, discrediting him. He still gets lynched but he sniffed out a Blue. Better than not claiming. As a scum, there's no reason for him not to claim Parity Cop. On October 16 2014 08:33 Dandel Ion wrote: Vote Count Alzadar (7): Cixah, jcarlsoniv, GhandiEAGLE, ketchup, WaveofShadow, mordek, AsmodeusXI Currently, Alzadar is set to be lynched. Day 2 ends in On October 16 2014 08:43 Alzadar wrote: Alright well you've forced my hand Cixah, well done. I am the Town Medic. Hook, line, and sinker, you suckers. | ||
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But wouldn't that be really Town favored? If there was a real Medic on top of the existing roles, I think there's a good chance we'd have lost despite the lucky Ketchup kill, the Parity Cop never getting a check off and the Poisoner canceling himself out. | ||
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It's hard to say with foreknowledge, but I feel like I would have been really suspicious of Alaric after a point. He would always babble on and on and I'd be thinking "surely someone will pick up on this?", but it never happened. There's some fun stuff in the QT, like our TOP SECRET TIEBREAK shenanigans which Alaric proceeded to highlight to the town, but nobody paid any notice. o_O | ||
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p.s. Cixah you would have been the town hero, trust your instincts! | ||
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On October 23 2014 06:41 ketchup wrote: Just for the record, I tried to fight the claim because it didn't work for me! I also think he slipped, and no one realized it. He tried to play it off as if he saved someone Night 1 by saying there was only 1 night kill because of him(so he was saying scum had 2 kp somehow). I pointed out that mod confirmed only 1 factional kp, so the chance of a night 1 save was really non-existent. The other possibilities were scum poisoner and scum vigi. He'd have to get a save on someone who a possible scum vigi shot! To add on to that, what type of scum vigi wouldn't wait for a blue role claim to shoot on? Basically town saved Alzadar here because I couldn't convince any of them to stick to the town train. QQ Also, the town train was definitely all town train. It was really amazing. Cixah, Soniv, Ghandi, Wave, mordek, myself, and Asmo. I think we should have stuck to the train because it was basically a town confirmation for the majority of us if we got the lynch off. People got cold feet after the claim, but I still stuck to it! Imagine what this game could have been if it stuck: Alzadar dead to town train, owb died to serial poisoner, and only Alaric left to spot out! That would have been such a huge upswing for town. The possibilities! I didn't quite claim that. On October 16 2014 08:43 Alzadar wrote: Nobody found it weird that there was only one death N1? I can't say for sure if I stopped that, but I did protect Wave, who should be able to confirm that for you all (please still be around!!). I'm not sure if Soniv is scum or actually Parity Cop, but lynching me sure isn't any better. For the record, I knew that Medic target didn't get a message. I was hoping that Wave would go into teacher mode when he thought I didn't understand a game mechanic. It worked! | ||
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