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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
And I look silly again because MoonBear posted in the meantime. Your post doesn't really convince me though, especially the first part: "At least I tried to get useful information instead of randomly querying people" (that's the vibe I get from it), when the main thing you received flak for is that your big post spent a lot of space on Wave before saying "it doesn't matter" and shoving it aside. Your second point comes back to him though, or at least that's how I see it. Are you targeting him when you speak of "people trying to drive the town while doing nothing important"? Do you think he should be more assertive (since his biggest accusation was on you after you targeted him) if he wants to sit at the wheel? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 13 2014 03:44 MoonBear wrote: If I was scum trying to pretend to be town I'd just play along and bandwagon with someone else. Because why would I want to draw attention to myself. Idk if it's a crime to ask questions as a new player but at least I make more interesting posts than the stuff other people have posted instead of being boring and trying to argue over trivial details on Day 1 that don't really mean anything. Because it's way too convenient to start picking on the people who make outlandish posts than the people actually trying to cause chaos and work against the town. The entire Day 1 has just been shifting gears around trying to accuse people over super trivial matters instead of anything important with various people trying to take control and manually drive what the town should be thinking instead of just letting it happen automatically. I don't get it...is this attitude a factor of there being a whole bunch of new players in here? Why are there so many people here assuming I'm driving something specific or that I'm somehow manipulating the entire town into doing my bidding? I'm a little confused here MB, how would YOU expect a good D1 to go? 'Letting it happen automatically?' What does that mean exactly? And as far as scum 'not drawing attention to themselves,' it's D1 and any decent player would have no problem with that this early when there are still tons of players left. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 13 2014 04:01 Alaric wrote: Was muling some thoughts while watching Soniv's stream, see above. And I look silly again because MoonBear posted in the meantime. Your post doesn't really convince me though, especially the first part: "At least I tried to get useful information instead of randomly querying people" (that's the vibe I get from it), when the main thing you received flak for is that your big post spent a lot of space on Wave before saying "it doesn't matter" and shoving it aside. Your second point comes back to him though, or at least that's how I see it. Are you targeting him when you speak of "people trying to drive the town while doing nothing important"? Do you think he should be more assertive (since his biggest accusation was on you after you targeted him) if he wants to sit at the wheel? Once again though, HE DIDN'T TARGET ME> I swear nobody fucking reads in this game. The whole point of me accusing him was specifically because he spent an entire post talking about me and analyzing my play, then dropping it all and saying 'but hey these other three guys are scum, I dunno why.' | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
I have another post comming, forgot to to that last night before bed. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On October 13 2014 03:44 MoonBear wrote: If I was scum trying to pretend to be town I'd just play along and bandwagon with someone else. Because why would I want to draw attention to myself. Idk if it's a crime to ask questions as a new player but at least I make more interesting posts than the stuff other people have posted instead of being boring and trying to argue over trivial details on Day 1 that don't really mean anything. Alright then. I may believe you aren't scum and are just feeling around. So tell me, who's scum. Be decisive here. Because it's way too convenient to start picking on the people who make outlandish posts than the people actually trying to cause chaos and work against the town. The entire Day 1 has just been shifting gears around trying to accuse people over super trivial matters instead of anything important with various people trying to take control and manually drive what the town should be thinking instead of just letting it happen automatically. Because town is a pack of sheep that will wither and die if there aren't any townies willing to step up and lead, or let scum lead mislynches. You say, you aren't scum, alright then. Who is? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 13 2014 03:54 Alaric wrote: Welp, bunch of stuff. I'm happy to see Tolkien post for real... at first. I didn't like the post too much, on the plus side it helped me realise while someone (Soniv?) criticised me for responding to Wave with a "list". He's already got a few people on his back so I won't add to the bandwagon, though (that's my stance: if we look for info, esp. D1, then I'd rather consider options over going tunnel-vision on a single person). I'll just point out that his behaviour kinda resembles Wave's at the start (with the whole "I'll come clean" post), but much more extreme.  (And same as I told Wave I'll keep a tab on that.)Deadline is close and I'd have preferred to do that earlier but ##Vote: AsmodeusXI I'm still not decided on you. We said we're laying newbie claims to rest so I'm not going to hold it either for you or against you. Also as I mentioned your scum reads were Alzadar (started by Soniv) and Moonbear (pointed by Wave), and when you switched your vote it was from Wave's call to Soniv's call, after an exchange with Soniv. You also didn't give reason apart from apparently agreeing with Soniv's. I have my doubts against Moonbear too but like Tolkien he's got a bunch of people on his butt and hasn't appeared (had time?) to defend himself yet, so I'll ignore his behaviour when looking at yours. So far you haven't motivated your calls much. I can get that Soniv makes a good point, but when you're already following a lot I'd like to see your own thoughts more, to show that you're not just bandwagoning and you have new stuff to contribute too. Apart from what Soniv said, what makes you suspect MoonBear? Also in a more general manner, do you think his posts about blue roles are what make him suspicious? Why? I'm not so much interested in your reads as I am in seeing how you behave "by yourself" rather than when following vets. Speaking of which, @vets, how relevant is the topic of lurkers not posting much (aside from IRL stuff) because they're newbie blues and afraid to stick their heads out and draw mafia attention? I considered that aside from lurking scum and newbie "stage fright" but I assume we should refrain from said topic until later, because it risks giving scum info/reads to work on? In my opinion (and from what I've seen) good blue play is simply to play like normal most of the time, though I can't say I'd be surprised if people tried to play the way you suggest. IS that relevant right now though? I'd say not. We're <5h from deadline and we need to start consolidating /leading town /manipulating | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 13 2014 03:28 ketchup wrote: owb is also more townie than comadose who has voted on a fairly bandwagon type of vote without explaining much. see: So, ##Vote ComaDose I should also mention this is pretty fucking terrible. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
Dont be the squirrel. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 13 2014 04:01 Alaric wrote: Was muling some thoughts while watching Soniv's stream, see above. And I look silly again because MoonBear posted in the meantime. Your post doesn't really convince me though, especially the first part: "At least I tried to get useful information instead of randomly querying people" (that's the vibe I get from it), when the main thing you received flak for is that your big post spent a lot of space on Wave before saying "it doesn't matter" and shoving it aside. Your second point comes back to him though, or at least that's how I see it. Are you targeting him when you speak of "people trying to drive the town while doing nothing important"? Do you think he should be more assertive (since his biggest accusation was on you after you targeted him) if he wants to sit at the wheel? I think the issue becomes people like Req/MB and now ketchup seem to be intimidated by my sheer presence or some shit and feel that automatically because I'm trying to lead I must be scum pulling strings from the shadows. I'll tell you a secret though guys, much of the time the problem isn't being led, that's what's mafia's about. The problem is choosing who to be led by, and I can fully understand if you don't want that to be me, but don't get the silly notion in your head that you must constantly assert your independence and doing anything otherwise isn't townie. Again if you don't trust me on this, ask the other vets about sheeping/listening to others. Go ahead and listen to Soniv 'cause you all seem to like him better than me this game. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
AKA lurking is bad mkay, town can't read you mkay, and you forward mafia agenda, mkay | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On October 13 2014 04:15 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'll be back before EOD, but pls, if you are town MoonBear. Dont be the squirrel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iIx2LMDilM This brings a whole new level on insight to your play. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On October 13 2014 04:13 WaveofShadow wrote: I should also mention this is pretty fucking terrible. Coma's post or Ketchup's? | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On October 13 2014 04:17 Cixah wrote: This brings a whole new level on insight to your play. That I like Drawn Together? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
No mention anywhere of lurker lynching and yet with all of the info/accusations being thrown around he jumps on someone who very clearly said he wasn't going to be here and why. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
We're <5h from deadline and we need to start consolidating So, we've got two 3-votes and a bunch of 1s. How do you lean between the 3s? Heads-up: I'm going to a friend's for another Thanksgiving dinner at 5ish EDT, and very likely won't be back before 8. So it's T-1:30 on my vote. I'm sticking to Tolkien for now but I see Moon as pretty scummy so I'll change if that's how the town leans. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 13 2014 04:22 Lord Tolkien wrote: I am somewhat able to believe MoonBear is just scrubbier at mafia than Req is at Pokemon. Hey, fuck you. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On October 13 2014 04:13 WaveofShadow wrote: I should also mention this is pretty fucking terrible. You make a joke of my post about you trying to leading town, then make posts like these. Let me vote how I want because you aren't doing anything for me with your posts. In fact, they serve to confuse town still more than help. ComaDose should be looked at more than owb. owb at least has said he has been busy, and voted no lynch. Comadose pretends to be confused, and still hops on ghandieagle bandwagon(which you started). | ||
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