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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On October 13 2014 05:13 Lord Tolkien wrote: Why do you think Im trying to convince you of anything? Show me where I said you're trying to convince me. You also conveniently didn't respond to my post where I quote two of your posts and ask you a question. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On October 13 2014 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not getting into a long drawn out argument with you over this, so this post will be the last on the subject. No, I was not leading him to a specific conclusion, I was pushing him to think critically when he already shown signs of started doing so. You know, good town play. Yes I can be aggressive at times, welcome to mafia. 'Wishy-washy' is probably one of the terms that I HATE the most when people throw it around. You would prefer I pick a read and stick to it like glue over the course of a day? Rather than constantly be updating reads and evaluating as the day progresses? Which do you think shows a more towny mindset, ketchup? I'm sorry if you don't like my play ketchup, but I don't think it's doing what you say it's doing---if you find it's confusing then you yourself can ignore what I have to say (and I can see you currently are) but shitting on my play and causing this argument is doing more for scum than town right now---if people listen to you by discrediting me then you are removing a strong and most importantly ACTIVE town voice which is extremely troublesome. I don't plan on changing the way I play the game, and I don't see any problems with what I am doing at all. That's all I have to say on the matter. If you think I'm scum, go ahead and vote for me. If not, then drop it and quit shitting up the atmosphere. You asked me why I think you are confusing people, and I gave it to you. You asked me why I think you are trying to control town. Mostly, you started it this little back and forth. If you can't handle the information I'm giving you, don't ask for it. Don't blame me for "shitting up the atmosphere" when you ask me directly why I think the way I do. I gave you your answers, so stop pretending to be emotional about it. Also, despite you pretending otherwise, you do have a lot of sway in this game. This is something you naturally have since you are a veteran player. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On October 13 2014 03:55 mordek wrote: Can you explain what changed your mind about me? Also ##Unvote Cixah Also, just saw this post. Lol. I never talked about you. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
For example... On October 13 2014 03:44 MoonBear wrote: Because it's way too convenient to start picking on the people who make outlandish posts than the people actually trying to cause chaos and work against the town. The entire Day 1 has just been shifting gears around trying to accuse people over super trivial matters instead of anything important with various people trying to take control and manually drive what the town should be thinking instead of just letting it happen automatically. I don't get THIS at all. I understand the problems with D1 and all the accusations flying around. What I don't understand is what is meant by "letting it happen automatically." If we're not making cases and trying to prove something, what happens "automatically" is a shot in the dark (which statistically ends in scum's favor) or a no-lynch (which automatically ends in scum's favor). I don't like either option. If there are people trying to cause chaos/work against the town, I wanna hear who they are. As far as my reads on who they are, I'm still suspect on Tolk, but I'm not going to go on that just because the bandwagon is turning against him. I think Tolkien's thoughts made sense from his big post, so unless anyone has any further reasoning they haven't explained (Wave), then I see no reason to lynch him yet. My suspicions have risen vs. Req since he started playing for real, but that's at least partially just because he disagrees with me and that doesn't mean he's not town (much like you, Alaric). I think that Coma is dangerous lurker scum as well, perhaps more dangerous than Alz and this point since he's silently throwing votes out. On the other hand, I feel like ketchup's thoughts have been all over the place, which I don't like per se, but I can't fault him for suspecting Wave, since I'm not 100% on him either. I go back and forth on soniv and Wave and I think that only time will give me a better read on them. That being said, I don't approve of Wave's LT vote entirely. tl;dr - I'm sticking with MB for now because I've got net 0 info from him EVEN though he's put effort into this. If I can't get him lynched, then it'll have to be Coma because he's ALSO put in net 0, but a percentage of that feels like lack of effort, which is shitty but not 100% scummy. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On October 13 2014 05:21 mordek wrote: Look I'm fine if I've made a misread. However in one post I'm almost confirmed town and in your next post my style is newb mafia. You also managed to miss a post that quotes you twice? What? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
##Unvote | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
I wanna give you benefit of the doubt because I feel like you lean town, but I'd be happy to switch my vote to you since I don't REALLY know where you stand. Voting to lynch me makes me less convinced of your towniness because, unlike Alaric, I don't think your posting indicates a townie spot super well. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
##vote mordek Reads too much like mafia trying to bandwagon. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Soniv where the shit are you? I normally don't like going outside of game but you just posted in OT, and you played a bunch of league. Surely you must realize that the town has very little direction right now, and surely you're not of the alignment of people who wouldn't care about that kind of situation... | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote: I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote. ##Vote Lord Tolkien On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote: Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader. I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 13 2014 05:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Fuck today really is too hard. Soniv where the shit are you? I normally don't like going outside of game but you just posted in OT, and you played a bunch of league. Surely you must realize that the town has very little direction right now, and surely you're not of the alignment of people who wouldn't care about that kind of situation... Why are you so set on Soniv being around? Double scum confirmed? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Hell ketchup can answer that too. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On October 13 2014 05:28 mordek wrote: I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon? You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak. So does wave's but not lynching him D1. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
I'm trying to look at the voting patterns. I don't think Swaglord is scum. He comes back with a big list post, but as far as list posts go, there was more than 0 content. Req makes an ok analysis and puts his vote on LT. Alright, cool, I'm glad Req started playing. A few hours later, a bandwagon has started and I'm not entirely sure why. LT, I'm not really convinced on mordek either. He looks as bandwagony as Jeff (albeit with a bit more post content), just on different vote targets. MoonBear's "defense" has left me very unsatisfied. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 13 2014 05:35 Lord Tolkien wrote: You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak. So does wave's but not lynching him D1. Or ever. Plz LT. My reasoning is fucking ironclad but you did something recently to give me pause. | ||
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