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On October 13 2014 05:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Of course I'm here. I'm just observing right now. You're a big boy, you can live without me posting and validating your opinions. Speaking of which, I think you see me as town more than I see you as town. Don't think I don't notice your constant buddying up and using me as an excuse to make your reads valid to town.
I'm trying to look at the voting patterns. I don't think Swaglord is scum. He comes back with a big list post, but as far as list posts go, there was more than 0 content. Req makes an ok analysis and puts his vote on LT. Alright, cool, I'm glad Req started playing. A few hours later, a bandwagon has started and I'm not entirely sure why.
LT, I'm not really convinced on mordek either. He looks as bandwagony as Jeff (albeit with a bit more post content), just on different vote targets.
MoonBear's "defense" has left me very unsatisfied.
No, I expect you to do more. If you think that latest post was a buddying attempt you're sorely mistaken.
The bolded is exactly why I don't think he's scum either, but pre-flip association IS a bit dangerous so I can't discount it completely. Essentially my reasoning on LT is the fact that the wagons at the time were him and MB...LT then unvotes MB...as scum there is absolutely ZERO reason to do that if MB is town and you can pull off a mislynch. MB could still be scum but I have other reasons to believe he may not be and I'm not sure I want to force the issue.
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On October 13 2014 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 05:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 13 2014 05:28 mordek wrote:On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote:
I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote.
##Vote Lord Tolkien On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote:
Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader.
I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon? You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak. So does wave's but not lynching him D1. Or ever. Plz LT. My reasoning is fucking ironclad but you did something recently to give me pause.
On October 13 2014 04:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 04:27 Alzadar wrote:Would still to hear a vote from you Wave. We're <5h from deadline and we need to start consolidating So, we've got two 3-votes and a bunch of 1s. How do you lean between the 3s? Heads-up: I'm going to a friend's for another Thanksgiving dinner at 5ish EDT, and very likely won't be back before 8. So it's T-1:30 on my vote. I'm sticking to Tolkien for now but I see Moon as pretty scummy so I'll change if that's how the town leans. I'm having trouble with it honestly. My top 3 are between MB/Tolkien for first right now, then Asmo in 3rd. Asmo's posting has improved since the first one that made me call him out, but I've caught people on first/single posts before (and have also been wrong before as well) and I'd be super annoyed if I let that go and turned out to be right on him. Tolkien I could see getting lynched as town and not giving too many fucks as it is now, and MB's attitude is just....weird. Like I can't tell if he truly believes that the way he's been playing is satisfactory and is pretty content just to consistently shit on me/townplay without being helpful to the town itself---at the very least I think Req sort of realized some of the issues with his play (whether that in itself is towny or scummy is probably discussion for another day) I don't feel a strong pull to one over another right now, certainly not strong enough to try to push the town towards one or the other. Hmm actually I just thought of something. Think it'll be Tolkien for me right now. ##Vote: Lord Tolkien
Yeah, you sound super confident in that vote.
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On October 13 2014 05:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 05:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 13 2014 05:28 mordek wrote:On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote:
I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote.
##Vote Lord Tolkien On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote:
Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader.
I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon? You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak. So does wave's but not lynching him D1. Or ever. Plz LT. My reasoning is fucking ironclad but you did something recently to give me pause. Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 04:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 04:27 Alzadar wrote:Would still to hear a vote from you Wave. We're <5h from deadline and we need to start consolidating So, we've got two 3-votes and a bunch of 1s. How do you lean between the 3s? Heads-up: I'm going to a friend's for another Thanksgiving dinner at 5ish EDT, and very likely won't be back before 8. So it's T-1:30 on my vote. I'm sticking to Tolkien for now but I see Moon as pretty scummy so I'll change if that's how the town leans. I'm having trouble with it honestly. My top 3 are between MB/Tolkien for first right now, then Asmo in 3rd. Asmo's posting has improved since the first one that made me call him out, but I've caught people on first/single posts before (and have also been wrong before as well) and I'd be super annoyed if I let that go and turned out to be right on him. Tolkien I could see getting lynched as town and not giving too many fucks as it is now, and MB's attitude is just....weird. Like I can't tell if he truly believes that the way he's been playing is satisfactory and is pretty content just to consistently shit on me/townplay without being helpful to the town itself---at the very least I think Req sort of realized some of the issues with his play (whether that in itself is towny or scummy is probably discussion for another day) I don't feel a strong pull to one over another right now, certainly not strong enough to try to push the town towards one or the other. Hmm actually I just thought of something. Think it'll be Tolkien for me right now. ##Vote: Lord Tolkien Yeah, you sound super confident in that vote.
Read the above, honey. I don't think I want to lynch either today. lol and I'm certainly not lynching mordek.
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On October 13 2014 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 05:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Of course I'm here. I'm just observing right now. You're a big boy, you can live without me posting and validating your opinions. Speaking of which, I think you see me as town more than I see you as town. Don't think I don't notice your constant buddying up and using me as an excuse to make your reads valid to town.
I'm trying to look at the voting patterns. I don't think Swaglord is scum. He comes back with a big list post, but as far as list posts go, there was more than 0 content. Req makes an ok analysis and puts his vote on LT. Alright, cool, I'm glad Req started playing. A few hours later, a bandwagon has started and I'm not entirely sure why.
LT, I'm not really convinced on mordek either. He looks as bandwagony as Jeff (albeit with a bit more post content), just on different vote targets.
MoonBear's "defense" has left me very unsatisfied. No, I expect you to do more. If you think that latest post was a buddying attempt you're sorely mistaken. The bolded is exactly why I don't think he's scum either, but pre-flip association IS a bit dangerous so I can't discount it completely. Essentially my reasoning on LT is the fact that the wagons at the time were him and MB...LT then unvotes MB...as scum there is absolutely ZERO reason to do that if MB is town and you can pull off a mislynch. MB could still be scum but I have other reasons to believe he may not be and I'm not sure I want to force the issue.
What do you mean you don't want to force the issue?? YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR VOTE PLACED. You have no idea who you want to lynch, you're completely undecided and clearly having issues figuring it out (I know, this D1 is especially hard). You tell me to do more? No, you push the issue. I'm content with my vote on MoonBear.
And I wasn't talking about you last post being buddy buddy. It's a general trend in your posting this game.
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On October 13 2014 05:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 05:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Of course I'm here. I'm just observing right now. You're a big boy, you can live without me posting and validating your opinions. Speaking of which, I think you see me as town more than I see you as town. Don't think I don't notice your constant buddying up and using me as an excuse to make your reads valid to town.
I'm trying to look at the voting patterns. I don't think Swaglord is scum. He comes back with a big list post, but as far as list posts go, there was more than 0 content. Req makes an ok analysis and puts his vote on LT. Alright, cool, I'm glad Req started playing. A few hours later, a bandwagon has started and I'm not entirely sure why.
LT, I'm not really convinced on mordek either. He looks as bandwagony as Jeff (albeit with a bit more post content), just on different vote targets.
MoonBear's "defense" has left me very unsatisfied. No, I expect you to do more. If you think that latest post was a buddying attempt you're sorely mistaken. The bolded is exactly why I don't think he's scum either, but pre-flip association IS a bit dangerous so I can't discount it completely. Essentially my reasoning on LT is the fact that the wagons at the time were him and MB...LT then unvotes MB...as scum there is absolutely ZERO reason to do that if MB is town and you can pull off a mislynch. MB could still be scum but I have other reasons to believe he may not be and I'm not sure I want to force the issue. What do you mean you don't want to force the issue?? YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR VOTE PLACED. You have no idea who you want to lynch, you're completely undecided and clearly having issues figuring it out (I know, this D1 is especially hard). You tell me to do more? No, you push the issue. I'm content with my vote on MoonBear. And I wasn't talking about you last post being buddy buddy. It's a general trend in your posting this game.
Oh I know, that's 'cause you're my bud (and one of the few people who I can count on to explain the game to others when they obstinately won't listen to me, see ketchup). I have no problems buddying when I find it's appropriate and I'll do it shamelessly. In fact, I'm attempting to buddy up to Alaric right now.
I'll push the issue if I think MB is actually going to be lynched but until that point I won't. You're a smart boy though and we've been seeing the same things for much of the game. Maybe you'll figure this one out too.
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On October 13 2014 05:28 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote:
I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote.
##Vote Lord Tolkien Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote:
Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader.
I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon?
You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak.
So does wave's but not lynching him D1.
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On October 13 2014 05:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 05:28 mordek wrote:On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote:
I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote.
##Vote Lord Tolkien On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote:
Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader.
I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon? You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak. So does wave's but not lynching him D1.
Ok, so I see you posted this twice so I'll respond. This is D1, I've tried to push and poke a couple things and observe. I haven't seen any better argument for someone being scum. Honestly, point me to who you think is scum and why and I'll vote if it makes sense. I'm not changing my vote just because Wave unvoted either.
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Lol. Super delayed double.
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On October 13 2014 04:11 Cixah wrote:
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I have another post comming, forgot to to that last night before bed.
So umm.....
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Goddammit Tolkien you made me think I'd switched up my tabs and had missed posts because of how fast the thread suddenly went. Almost had a heart attack thinking "Do I have to go through all that again ? D:"
On October 13 2014 05:21 AsmodeusXI wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@Alaric, I'm on MB's ass because I don't like posts lacking content, especially D1. I realize that D1 is a time of extremely little information, but there's been enough to chat about in this thread at this point that he should have an opinion on something. So far I feel I've gotten the least direction or justification from MB on anything. Even just a vote in a direction (with a reason) would help (even if it's just a no-lynch, crappy as that would be... owb), but when you're posting sans content (especially when it's long and windy like MB's was), it just makes me think you're trying to sow dissension among the loyal townie ranks. For example... On October 13 2014 03:44 MoonBear wrote:
Because it's way too convenient to start picking on the people who make outlandish posts than the people actually trying to cause chaos and work against the town. The entire Day 1 has just been shifting gears around trying to accuse people over super trivial matters instead of anything important with various people trying to take control and manually drive what the town should be thinking instead of just letting it happen automatically. I don't get THIS at all. I understand the problems with D1 and all the accusations flying around. What I don't understand is what is meant by "letting it happen automatically." If we're not making cases and trying to prove something, what happens "automatically" is a shot in the dark (which statistically ends in scum's favor) or a no-lynch (which automatically ends in scum's favor). I don't like either option. If there are people trying to cause chaos/work against the town, I wanna hear who they are. As far as my reads on who they are, I'm still suspect on Tolk, but I'm not going to go on that just because the bandwagon is turning against him. I think Tolkien's thoughts made sense from his big post, so unless anyone has any further reasoning they haven't explained (Wave), then I see no reason to lynch him yet. My suspicions have risen vs. Req since he started playing for real, but that's at least partially just because he disagrees with me and that doesn't mean he's not town (much like you, Alaric). I think that Coma is dangerous lurker scum as well, perhaps more dangerous than Alz and this point since he's silently throwing votes out. On the other hand, I feel like ketchup's thoughts have been all over the place, which I don't like per se, but I can't fault him for suspecting Wave, since I'm not 100% on him either. I go back and forth on soniv and Wave and I think that only time will give me a better read on them. That being said, I don't approve of Wave's LT vote entirely. tl;dr - I'm sticking with MB for now because I've got net 0 info from him EVEN though he's put effort into this. If I can't get him lynched, then it'll have to be Coma because he's ALSO put in net 0, but a percentage of that feels like lack of effort, which is shitty but not 100% scummy.
See, that's much better.
I like the green-coloured part in the spoiler: that's exactly what I wanted to see from you, eg. formulating a "free" opinion rather than bounce on someone or worse, bandwagoning without talking.
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Which leaves me a bit stuck for the day, though. The bandwagon against Tolkien is weaker so I don't have qualms about looking at it anymore, but then there's the mutual unvote between Wave and him.
I'm still perplexed about Tolkien, but that's less suspicious and more straight-up confused by his play. For now it looks like he was being super aggressive with Wave because he wanted a reaction more than because he was sincerely suspicious about it, as if he "faked it". Which suggests he didn't stop "trolling", he just went from "silly troll" to "aggressive troll", stirring shit up on purpose to create discussion.
Trying to determine whether the discussion helps town or creates a mess. So not gonna try to lynch him for now.
That leaves me with Moonbear out of my main "scum reads". I'm a bit uneasy about that because it isn't exactly a strong read either.
On the other hand I'd still rather vote someone that looks weird to me than one of the afk-ers (plus I don't know if I'll be around for long, got a bit of a headache and if Coma/owb start posting more in the next 3 hours I may miss it). As Wave said with Ghandi, "you can deal with the unknowns later, but deal with the suspicious now" (I paraphrase, his defense of Ghandi was along these lines), which mainly leaves Moonbear atm.
Plus I liked that you (Asmo) made a case I found plausible, so take it as a token of good will from me I guess.
##Vote: Moonbear
On October 13 2014 05:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
I might just sheep Alaric. We should talk bro.
I laughed because when I reached that post I had already thought about Asmo's post and my reads and decided I'd go for Moonbear off of our exchange, which technically means I'm sheeping him myself for now? 
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I'm glad we could see eye to eye Alaric.
@MB, I want to point out that I'm still open to be swayed. No one's 100% guilty on D1. Come @ me with something good and I'll switch to that lurker scumbag Coma because he certainly hasn't done much good for himself. Vice versa for you Coma. Why aren't you scum?
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On October 13 2014 06:15 Requizen wrote:
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Now use your words please.
Why the sudden change of heart?
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On October 13 2014 06:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I'm glad we could see eye to eye Alaric.
@MB, I want to point out that I'm still open to be swayed. No one's 100% guilty on D1. Come @ me with something good and I'll switch to that lurker scumbag Coma because he certainly hasn't done much good for himself. Vice versa for you Coma. Why aren't you scum?
Haha what say you now Alaric
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Re: Moonbear vote, I'm not following Asmo's argument regarding the effort, though.
I mean if Moonbear was an eager but misguided townie, I'd see nothing wrong with him making a big post (my first post that apparently pleased Wave and Asmo could have been judged as "Alaric involved toward doing nothing" had it been judged contentless too since it was pretty long), what makes me tick if how adamant he's been afterwards.
Don't get me wrong, he's assertive and since one of the main critics flying around is "town is so indecisive" that's something we should value, but he at the same time asks questions on the setting and how things work, which suggests he's unsure/keeps an open mind, but when it comes to his reads/opinions/how he values his post's contribution, he's been very firm and counter-aggro'd the people criticising it (notably Wave). Why would he do that if the rest of his behaviour suggests that he's a newbie trying to figure things out? I'd have expected more of an "Ah, maybe I didn't do that completely right, I'll heed vets' remarks and reconsider then" attitude than standing his ground and firing away (not saying he should have sheeped Wave either, after all that's why I went after Asmo ).
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Wow you guys stop posting.
Screw it I still haven't made dinner, gimme half a hour before next post.
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Reconsidering a jeff lynch. He's too quiet.
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Friendly reminder that you are NOT allowed to talk about this game outside of the thread. YES THAT INCLUDES PM'S ON TL, GO FIGURE!
The only exeptions are the two quicktopics and if you are allowed to talk there, then I sent you the link there. Hint: that means "shut up if I didn't"
Next time something remotely going towards that direction happens I'm modkilling your whole family, your ranked 5s team and all your friends. And also you.
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On October 13 2014 06:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:Now use your words please. Why the sudden change of heart?
Like I said, both are on my scum list. But Wave is much more manipulative and that worries me. He also has very strong biases at this point in my opinion, stronger than I'm comfortable with given the lack of info.
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