EPTI think either way by PoE we start with Asmo.
##vote: asmodeusIX
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WaveofShadow
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I think either way by PoE we start with Asmo. ##vote: asmodeusIX | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On October 17 2014 11:14 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I never voted for him Alaric, but I was clearly hounding OWB repeatedly, especially when nobody else was. Just looking at votes doesn't show a lot from me at all really since, until the end of each day, I was quite conservative with them. Obviously there's much more than votes, that post is mostly a reference for myself but I might as well share. The town's cards are all on the table now. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
Don't think I'm not noticing that. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 17 2014 11:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Wave always willing to distance himself from being scum in his posts. Don't think I'm not noticing that. ....what? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 17 2014 11:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Wave always willing to distance himself from being scum in his posts. Don't think I'm not noticing that. Ghandi, everyone is distancing themselves from being scum. Wave, you'll be happy to hear that OWB being scum lessens my view on you based on his interactions with your and your individual reads. Not to the point of confirmed town, but it did pique my interest when I read the two of you talking. Also Alzadar's claim is sketchy as butts to me right now. I don't know, I just feel like the likelyhood of near-lynching two blues in a row seems small. And when the only one left standing can't prove himself in any way, I don't really know if I would trust him as far as I could throw him. Soniv turned out to be true, but he gave something close to evidence that he was "leaking" his role to observant readers, so I was more willing to accept it. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On October 17 2014 12:41 Requizen wrote: Also Alzadar's claim is sketchy as butts to me right now. I don't know, I just feel like the likelyhood of near-lynching two blues in a row seems small. And when the only one left standing can't prove himself in any way, I don't really know if I would trust him as far as I could throw him. Soniv turned out to be true, but he gave something close to evidence that he was "leaking" his role to observant readers, so I was more willing to accept it. I would have thought so as well, and I thought I was doing a pretty good job of supporting the Town without drawing too much scum attention until Cixah had a random urge and you all got excited about crunch time shenanigans (I have to admit, I would have gotten carried away as well). I didn't realize overt "breadcrumbing" was a thing like Soniv did. But if you read carefully you'll see I actually was trying to subtly feel around and see what people thought the Medic ought to do or did do. I never said "hey guys what should the Medic do?", but I tried to move conversation towards those topics. On October 11 2014 10:25 Alzadar wrote: I would assume Wave is a high priority target for mafia On October 14 2014 09:20 Alzadar wrote: Well not necessarily right? You're discounting Medic and Jailkeeper who might have prevented a Townie's kill (safe bet that Tolkien was scum kill). It's too dangerous still for blues to out themselves but you shouldn't assume we've got no Vig. On October 14 2014 09:48 Alzadar wrote:I'm not as convinced as Wave we don't have a Vig. There's more than one way the Vigilante could have been stopped - Medic on the target, Jailkeep on the target, Jailkeep on the Vig, Roleblock on the Vig. Anyways, I'm your Medic, and I'm all you've got now, except for a Poisoner with no vials. I'll be dead tomorrow morning, but I'd like to actually see a scummer get lynched before I go. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On October 17 2014 09:02 GhandiEAGLE wrote: + Show Spoiler + Bye Soniv, I won't forget that u saved my life yesterday <3 btw about OWB BAAAAAAAAAM WHO FUCKIN KNEW IT JEFF DID Y'ALL ALMOST LOOKED LIKE IDIOTS BUT GUESS WHAT EVERYTHINGS COMIN UP GHANDI I read that post in your voice and tone as you streamed X-COM. It made me laugh, but I hope your plans end up better this time (unless your scum, then go fail all you want). I feel... weird. I mean, I should probably be happy, we finally got a scum (and it was through ComaDose who ended up serving town more than scum this game, oh the irony—though in a sense it makes me even more glad we killed you, because we did so before you had a chance to harm us—perfect timing! x) ), but something feels off. Can't quite put my finger on it. If we go after the earlier evaluation of scum + 3P, we currently sit at a 2 v 6 situation. Wave, we're actually in a very good position thanks to owb's poisoning, confirm? Also was that "the only possible scum play" you were talking about? You seem pretty satisfied with how things went down, it wasn't exactly what I expected but you seemed confident in your theory. Care to explain it now that the night's over, or still risky? Gonna have to reevaluate all my reads. That means Wave and Req are back on the table (yeah, Wave, even if I asked you these questions, which is going to make interpreting your answers awkward >.>). I'm pretty damn tired today and I've got work, so I'm only going to make a preliminary pass and I'll come back with more once I reread owb's/mordek's filters (either this evening or tomorrow, depending on how clear-headed I feel). - No need to talk about Cixah (I actually have to actively remind myself of you whenever I make counts just because not only we never have to suspect you, but you don't post too much (I know your working hours are weird, not gonna call out too much on that)). - Ghandi, while still on the table, suddenly becomes the townest he's ever been since the game started. Which isn't to say much, but still. - Wave... I think I'm going to have to look through Req's filter and separate when he's flat-out wrong and when he says interesting stuff. Also Soniv's post (but that'd almost feel too easy if he was right). - Alzadar: On October 17 2014 13:47 Alzadar wrote: I'll be dead tomorrow morning, but I'd like to actually see a scummer get lynched before I go. Nope, the Medic can protect himself, he just can't do it twice in a row (to avoid ties I guess). And with your previous target (and the scum roleblocker) dead, you can actually protect anyone tonight (hint: don't protect Cixah). If I'm right on what happens now that you're revealed, you're about as good as VT, though... - Requizen, see Wave. You're going to be fucking hard to read in a satisfactory way now, and I'll have to check your filter to get a feeling for both you and Wave. - Mordek indeed implied what I was thinking he implied. And he's claimed, which helps us a ton if it's true, but at that point I can't help but be skeptical. On October 17 2014 11:11 mordek wrote: Ok it's a numbers game, and I'm basically vanilla at this point so I can't think why not. Hi I'm your friendly drugstore pharmacist aka the Town Poisoner I'll inform you that I decided with the delayed kill I needed to act N1. Ghandi and Soniv were my highest scum reads as I've stated multiple times. So I poisoned Soniv because I figured Jeff was a very likely target D2. We might get a double scum flip :O Obviously it turns out to be a terrible read. I used my antidote on soniv in the off chance he would live otherwise. I'm posting from my phone but just look at my night posts. Anyways I figure now is the time to get town consolidated because there's no one left to shield anymore and I've used both vials. To sum up: - you're Vanilla now so you can't prove it anymore - you had to use both vials because you targeted someone who "prove" himself right after - he's now dead anyway, too (not sure if it changes something but still) You're telling us to look at your night posts: On October 17 2014 00:29 mordek wrote: Soniv, I just want to let you know your claim post inspired me. I'm going to try and make it up to you. On October 17 2014 01:15 mordek wrote: I get that. You probably read through my filter and after digesting it for like 5 minutes it gives you a queasy feeling, sure. I'm going to remedy that  My, such subtlety. I mean, the way you put it I could reasonably see a thought process of "it saved Soniv and Alzadar, and I'm going to need a defense if I people turn to me, so if I imply that I'm Poisoner and make it obvious, those who notice it won't question me and I can use that to fake-claim later and show that I didn't make it up on the spot". I know I didn't bring it up (just said a vague "imply" without pointing anything) because if scum didn't notice it too then they didn't me to show everyone. Also Soniv and Alzadar showed that they did it from Day 1. Your claim makes sense, and works well, but it works so well it's pretty convenient. I don't know. Once I read your filter I'll have a more accurate opinion. - Asmodeus is still as suspicious as ever to me. Quick check through his filter, he didn't post anything relevant (but did post at all) after this, which didn't address my concerns (don't be afraid by the wall, it' only the last paragraph, or just read the TL;DR Wave requested I guess, lazy bum that he is <<). Just because a pen got cleared doesn't make me forget there's another one, Asmo. | ||
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mordek
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mordek
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Alaric
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Dandel Ion
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AsmodeusXI (2): Alzadar, WaveofShadow Not voting (6): dudes Currently, AsmodeusXI is set to be lynched. Day 3 ends in | ||
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mordek
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WaveofShadow
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mordek
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Req: D1 displays some ignorance of game setup and hosting. (possibly because he got VT which he later indirectly claims) There's also a definite display of frustration from lack of knowledge (could be scum plan but also how I felt) He did have an early scum read on OWB which is the only confirmed mafia we know yet He voted Wave (anger?) then LT (same reasons I had for voting LT) He was against the MB vote, wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. This would be odd for scum to do unless they felt very sure there was no dissuading the MB train. In my view MB train definitely had a chance of not happening ***Asmo argues with Req on his MB read (Asmo did state MB was in his top 2 at this time) On October 13 2014 07:35 Requizen wrote: I dunno, I think that was just him trying to spark discussion in his own, crazy, british way. Tryhard (though silly) posts != scum Req brings up his OWB scum read again (I missed the filter read on me somehow , you're very generous Req but I appreciate your read on me) Req's filter check series section on Asmo concludes he's Green He brings up that Wave had omitted OWB from his list post: Req's notable triad does not include OWB or Asmo but does include the thread's two 2 candidates and Wave (obv) Req did agree OWB would be a good target for parity check (meaningless as scum would know they can kill Soniv) Asmo: Makes VT claim after called out for LURKERCITYSCUMBOYS status Two initial reads are Alz + MB (one confirmed and one presumably) Asmo does think Alaric + Req are town (D1 reads but worth noting) Asmo wants OWB to "die lurker die" (D1 and such an easy accusation to make since that can be rectified by owb activity) Asmo compliments Alaric's towniness on multiple occasions, comparing others to Alaric Top 3 reads were all town initially (so were mine lol) Rides soniv pretty hard D2 but does mention OWB seems scummy. Concluding thoughts (feelings): Reading Req's filter gave me strong town vibes. Reading Asmo's gives me mild town vibes, the main reason being a couple mentions of owb when I don't think many had made any strong arguments against owb up to this point. There doesn't seem to be any apparent connection between Req and Asmo. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Most notably looking at your summaries, who does the most 'owb is scummy but LOOK OVER HERE AT THIS GUY' Not a bad idea to do this for everyone left imo, myself included. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On October 18 2014 00:24 mordek wrote: There doesn't seem to be any apparent connection between Req and Asmo. I'm not sure. Asmo has been very consistently casually defensive of Req: On October 12 2014 05:28 AsmodeusXI wrote: We also have our townies: Alaric and Req. Also, I don't see Req's attitude as a cover YET. However, if townies start falling around him, I'll totally revisit that because it'd be a DAMN good play for scum. But it comes back the fact that I don't think either player is good enough at Mafia yet to being lying based on the contents of their posts thus far. On October 12 2014 23:58 AsmodeusXI wrote: Also, LT, you're jumping on Req's case for noob stuff, even to the extent of a policy lynch on him as if he were lurker scum, but 6ah and I have done similarly bad noob BS. Why Req more than anyone else? On October 13 2014 07:40 AsmodeusXI wrote: And Req's right... MB does have a sparse posting schedule in general. Some people don't have that excuse. On October 15 2014 10:40 AsmodeusXI wrote: At this point, we all kinda know how Req plays: volatile states, prone to lashing out. It's emotional play because Req's a sensitive dude (and this is not meant to offend sir), and it's easily manipulatable (even ketchup got his goat, and that was probably unintentional). If Soniv wants to cover his tracks well, the best way to do it is to set off Req since it's unlikely he'll be able to get a rise out of Wave at this point, and no one else has proven to be so easy to control (again, don't mean to offend buddy). That also fits in with the "fake anger" that Alaric pointed out: play an emotional game, get easy emotional feedback. I think the intent of this is to get the focus away from Soniv and onto Req, and I think it's working. Which is dangerous (Wave sees that). On October 15 2014 11:34 AsmodeusXI wrote: I'm not excusing it, I'm saying I'm buying it so far. Req's posting style all over this site reads like this on his bad days, and you and I both know that. His last game went into this direction at points, and you were in it with him. You're a good enough player that if you wanted to take advantage of that, I think you could. I don't know how well Req can fake his angry self. That's what would make it impressive to me On October 16 2014 06:03 AsmodeusXI wrote: I don't THINK Coma is scum, but he could still flip red (just unlikely to me). Same with Req, but he's more vocal and that ground been trodden. The reverse is also true. On October 14 2014 03:04 Requizen wrote: Filter check: AsmodeusXI Feeling: Town Posting Habits: Reasonable Asmo's posts give me a green vibe. I'm not trusting him yet, but I in no way have a bad feeling from him. Yes, he voted for MB, but he made that call very early and gave reasoning for it before the train began running. I have not agreed with every call he's made (for example, his aggression towards AFKers and his tirade against Jeff), but I think he's more town and anything. The only thing that stands out to me is his post after MB flipped green - the anger and regretfulness is in line with his normal posting style, but it only feels a little too forward, as if Mafia!Asmo is trying to force sounding regretful about his decision. But then, I've started to feel a bit mistrustful of any post that isn't strictly productive towards saving the town. This supports Asmo as town without being overly committal about it. It's also happened twice that someone makes a post listing Asmo as a suspect and Req is quick to reply with a redirection "what about these other people?". This may be a confirmation bias though, it's probably possible to find a lot of these vaguely supportive pairings. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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mordek
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@Alz Ok, I had trouble following you but I think I got it. There casual and indirect defense of one another would point you to scum in cahoots? Req may have convinced me of his town status (he was my first filter read) so I may have missed that and so put that connection to both town instead of both scum. I think you make a valid point. I rushed Asmo's a little bit (I was very aware of the amount of time I was taking to do this at that point lol) and yeah I missed the pretty frequent offhand mentions that didn't seem noteworthy but I guess that's Mafia :\ | ||
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mordek
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Alaric
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 Doesn't work like that.Owb, how does it feel, looking at yourself being dissected like that? | ||
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