Daydreamarine (Sebastian, the Crab (Town Jailkeeper)) was modkilled.
Day 4 - In which a singing crab was silenced, and the three remaining circled a single blade.
JennyHell (Prince Phillip, the Dashing Hero (Town 1-Shot Bulletproof)) was lynched.
Endgame - In which there was no happy ending, but there was an end.
THE CAST
Narrators (Hosts): This game is hosted by Amiko (Profile, Send PM) and cohosted by GlowingBear (Profile, Send PM) and Alakaslam (Profile, Send PM) Please PM all of us with any questions or night actions!
The Characters (Players): Currently I am aiming to run this game for 13 players. Depending on the level of interest in the game, I may alter the setup to accommodate more or less players. 1. meatpudding - Belle, the Beautiful Bookworm (Vanilla Town), killed N1. 2. JennyHell - Prince Phillip, the Dashing Hero (1-Shot Bulletproof), lynched D4. 3. lilwade - Ursula, the Plotting Witch (Mafia Roleblocker), modkilled N2. 4. gobbledydook - Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty (Vanilla Town), lynched D1. 5. MihZaaa - Eilowny, the Heroic and Slender-Necked (Vanilla Town), lynched D2. 6. Barakos - Gaston, the Brute (Mafia Goon), survived. 7. Breshke - Mulan, the Brave and Beautiful (Vanilla Town), killed N2. 8. abuse - Rapunzel, the Fair-Haired Maiden (Vanilla Town), modkilled N2. 9. Superbia - Ariel, the Musical Mermaid (Vanilla Town), endgamed D4. 10. Daydreamarine - Sebastian, the Crab (Town Jailkeeper), modkilled N3.
Fairy Godmothers (Coaches): The following players will be fairy godmothers who coach players: Town - Lord Tolkien Town - LoneMeow Town - HaruRH Town - Artanis[XP] Town - Blazinghand Town/Either? - tehPoofter Mafia - ObiWanShinobi Either - Holyflare Either - Iamperfection
Please review the rules related to coaching later in this post!
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game takes time to play, and it takes even more time to play it well. Please do not join this game unless you are willing to spend the time to read and respond – the game is much better when people are involved!
Rules:
Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting any substance after death. You may post something like "gg" or "good luck team!" or after death. DO NOT include any information on the game. DO NOT clarify your positions, or encourage players to vote or not vote for any other player. When you are dead, you stop playing. 2. Ruining the game. For instance, as mafia you may not reveal the identity of any other members of your team. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role, or looking over someone's shoulder to determine their role. 4. Comparing any PM times (providing your role or coach). 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox, your out of game chat/QT, or any PMs received. 6. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip or strategic move. 7. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 8. Betting or exchanging items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 9. Sharing accounts with other players. This game does not permit hydras. 10. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. 11. Quoting your role PM from a host, or posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can state your role and fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host. 12. Communicating with other players in the game about the game via PM, unless permitted by your role. 13. Editing your posts. See discussion below. Cheating is not tolerated. If there is some extenuating circumstance, or if you are not sure whether something is cheating, message the host & cohost and we will gladly discuss the issue with you. If you take a questionable action without consulting us first, you do so at your peril.
Posting:
Mod Font: This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Question Font: This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything. I would prefer you PM questions rather than posting them in the thread (the question will be noticed faster), but either is permitted.
Activity & Replacements: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, the hosts will use their discretion in determining whether to warn, modkill, or replace you. Generally, I will seek replace inactive players during the first two days/nights. I will use my discretion as far as punishment for inactivity. This game uses replacements. Generally, replacements will be made in the game through night 2, as available. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, the hosts will usually seek replacement by a player on the replacement list or by asking in the forums. If no replacement is available, the player slot will be killed without a replacement. If you need to replace out of the game, do not post about it in the thread. Contact a host.
Spam: Do not spam the thread. I understand players may post rapidly when speaking to each other, but remember that the thread is to play mafia. A quick post or two about other games or your weekend plans is fine with me, but posting a lot of unrelated images or blog-type posts are not appropriate.
Smurfs & Hydras: This is a newbie game and smurfs/hydras are not permitted. If you think an exception should be made, PM me.
Clues: This game will not use clues - I intend to use flavor for the day and night posts, but only for silly or goofy purposes and not to hint who is what role. For what it's worth, I have planned out some day/night ideas in advance so it is unlikely to reflect night actions
Encryption: Do not encrypt your posts by using some sort of code. Generally, hinting at your role or having a secret message (with the first letter of each sentence, for instance) is fine, whereas messages with a “key” or unlock system will not be permitted. If you are unsure what encryption includes, please PM a host and they will clarify for you.
Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Typically, the first edit will result in a warning. After that, editing usually mean you will be modkilled. If you make a mistake in formatting, simply make a second post correcting any errors in formatting or what you wrote. Players commonly write EBWOP (edit by way of post) like: EBWOP: I wrote that GMarshal is my top town, but I meant to write that Amiko is my top town.
Inappropriate posts: If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with, don’t post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. Hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM the host, a co-host, or GMarshal before involving the other TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can discuss the situation with other members of the TL staff. Mafia is an emotional game, but it is a game. You can attack other players’ arguments without attacking them.
Reporting posts: The report button is used on regular TL, but is not well suited for this forum - we usually deal with things in-house when possible. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, or GMarshal before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without getting banned. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. If you need to leave the game, do not post about it in the thread. PM the hosts and we will discuss things.
Out of thread communication:
It is common for mafia (and town circles if PMs are allowed) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. Do not share the links for these communications until the game ends. You use these media at your own risk.
Observers If you would like to observe this game, please PM me for access to the observer QuickTopic. If you receive access to the observer QuickTopic, do not discuss this game with the players until this game is over.
Other Games Do not discuss other games that you are playing or observing in the thread.
Town Seals Do not post "town seals" or similar posts (basically, a meta-game sort of promise that you are town). If you are confused about this, PM the hosts.
Coaching Each town player will be provided with one or more coaches. The mafia team (as a whole) will be provided with one or more coaches. The initial role PM will include a link to a QuickTopic where you may speak with your coach. DO NOT discuss coaching in the thread. Do not say you are being coached. Do not say who is coaching you. Do not quote your coach. If your coach is not responding or if there are any personal issues with you and your coach, please PM the hosts.
Voting rules:
Voting is done in this thread. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote: Qatol - I will usually accept and count votes even if there are slight errors in formatting. However, you should ensure that you always at least bold your votes and do not put them inside spoiler or quote tags. - Conditional votes will not be counted. Votes for yourself will not be counted. Votes for anyone dead or outside the game will not be counted. Voting is mandatory. You may (NOT) abstain. If you fail to vote, you will be warned/modkilled. You may vote for a no-lynch (##Vote: No Lynch) This game uses a plurality lynch. A player become a new lynch target when the player has more votes than anyone else. So, if two players have the same number of votes, the player who reached the amount of votes first will be lynched first.
Signups:
This game is open to new players with three or fewer games played. If this will be your fourth game, you can play! If you have played too many, you may request to be added to the /replace list, but tell the hosts in your post that you have played too many games. Priority will always be given to newer players instead of you.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills: This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, you will be punished beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to the ban list thread for questions about your punishment. Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Sitting Out: To sit out this game, you must do these two things during the signups of this game (assuming you are not currently sitting out a different game and the game in which you were banned has finished): 1. PM the host of this game, saying you are sitting out this game. 2. If the host approves you sitting out the game, post in the TL Mafia Ban List, saying that you are sitting out this game.
PMs PMs are not allowed in this game.
Time Cycle: This game will follow a 48 hour day / 24 hour night day cycle. Any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. The deadline will be at 03:00 GMT (+00:00) (this should show your local time). Actions/votes will be accepted up to the posted time, but not after. Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer! Thanks to the coaches who have made my initial experiences here so pleasant and instructive! Thank you to the many players in /obs chat who enjoy watching and commenting, it’s not so bad dying when you have people to popcorn with :3
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so!
In sum, the setups will be RNG'd among the following: (A) Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, 1-Shot Bulletproof Town, 6x Vanilla Town (B) 2x Mafia Goon, Town Cop, 7x Vanilla Town (C) 2x Mafia Goon, Town Doctor, Town Tracker, 6x Vanilla Town (1) 2x Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, 7x Vanilla Town (2) Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, 6x Vanilla Town (3) 2x Mafia Goon, 1-Shot Bullteproof Town, Town Tracker, 6x Vanilla Town
Mafia KP is always 1. Mafia may not no-kill, but may self-target their KP. Mafia roleblocker may roleblock and night-kill in the same night. Mafia roleblocker's action resolves before a Jailer's action.
Town may vote for a no-lynch.
POTENTIAL ROLES
The following roles may or may not appear in the game.
The Forces of Good - Potential Town Roles Vanilla Town Doctor Cop or Tracker Jailkeeper 1-Shot Bulletproof (does not die to first shot)
The Wicked - Potential Mafia Roles Goon Roleblocker (unlimited use)
More information on these roles is available below.
Town-aligned players obtain a happy ending (win) when no wickedness (mafia) remain alive, and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Mafia-aligned players win if the wicked players outnumber the town-sided players, or nothing can prevent that from happening. Mafia must select a player each night to deliver the kill; this may be roleblocked.
Failure to submit actions- If the mafia do not submit who is delivering the kill, I will RNG who is delivering the kill. If the mafia do not submit a kill, I will RNG the target among the town players. If a mafia power role does not submit a night action, no action will be taken. If a town power role does not submit his/her night action, no action will be taken.
This game is about cute Disney movies. Disney Princesses will be at the core of the game, but other movies/characters in similar veins can be included in the game as well (other Disney movies, Pixar movies, etc.).
Disney Princess / Character (Vanilla Town)
You are royal of lineage or character, a paragon of things that are good. As a princess, you represent the powers of love, beauty, style, grace, and all things good. You have faced wicked things before and prevailed through your determination, wits, and close allies. - Vanilla Town have no special powers or night actions. Their weapon is their vote. - Vanilla Town will be given a character name. These names may not always be Disney Princesses (i.e., they may be supporting characters or princess-like characters).
Doc / Genie (Doctor)
With years of study or through your magical powers, you have the power to protect others by saving lives. You have allied yourself closely with a Disney Princess / Character and seek to help them protect the land from the wicked. Although some consider you a supporting role, there is no doubt that the happy ending will depend on your help!
- Each night phase, you may protect one player in the game from one nightkill. You may not protect yourself. You may target the same player on consecutive nights. - Neither you nor your target will be informed of any protection or save. - Doctors will be given a character name - this may be something other than Doc / Genie and may be a princess name.
Hen Wen / Abu (Cop / Tracker)
Abu: Although you are a monkey, your cleverness and devotion to your friends has always made you a close ally to good. Now, your small size and curious nature may be the among the strongest weapons at their disposal. You can sneak amid the innumerable alleys of Agrabah to collect information, perhaps stealing a few shiny objects or delicious treats along the way. Hen Wen: You are a magical white pig with the unusual power to see into the future. Although it will be difficult for other players to decipher your oracular oinks, you are sure your foresight will be invaluable to determine who has wicked plans.
- A cop may target a player at night and determine whether the player is town-aligned or mafia-aligned. - A tracker targets a player at night and sees who that player targeted that night. A roleblocked player will not visit. - A tracker will not learn what actions the visiting player performed.
Sebastian (Jailkeeper)
"Human life is a mess" - You know that well. With King Triton's permission, you have given up on music and joined as a bodyguard course served by elite eels. With your powerful claws, you can hold someone in place over a night, ensuring they are protected but also immobile. Will you use your crabjutsu to protect the good or hold back the wicked?
- Jailkeepers may target one player at night. They may not self-target. The targeted player will be roleblocked and protected from being killed that night. - Players will be informed they were roleblocked regardless of whether or not they have a role. This notification will be the same, regardless of whether the player is roleblocked by a roleblocker or jailed by a jailor. - A mafia player's roleblock resolves before a jailkeeper's roleblock, so mafia may roleblock the jailkeeper. - The mafia's kill resolves after the jailkeeper's roleblock would resolve, so a jailkeeper may be able to roleblock a mafia player delivering a kill.
Prince Phillip / Pumbaa (One-Shot Bulletproof)
You have the bravery and strength enough to face the wicked and try to thwart their plans. Using your skill with a blade (or... well, your scent) you are tougher than most and can defend yourself from an attack by the wicked. With you around, the forces of good should have no worries - Hakuna Matata!
- A one-shot bulletproof player will survive the first time he/she is shot at night. The player will still die immediately if lynched, or if the player is successfully shot again. - Players will be notified if their bulletproof protection is consumed. - Players do not 'activate' the protection - it will automatically protect the player. The protection cannot be roleblocked.
Gaston / Other Villain (Goon)
No one thrills like Gaston / or night kills like Gaston! As Gaston, you are considered a hero by many in his village, a man of passion and strength. The combination of your large muscles (paired with your relatively small mind) makes has made you to influence and turn to the purposes of the wicked.
- Mafia Goons have no special powers. - Mafia players will be provided with a QT to speak with each other.
Ursula / Horned King (Roleblocker)
As Ursula, you can wield your powers to thwart actions of the good - your fearsome tentacle legs can restrict someone each night as your magic steals their voice, rendering that player temporarily unable to take actions. Your wicked laugh and plotting ways will be of great help to the wicked. As the Horned King, your skeletal, rotting flesh is terrifying to the forces of good. You may visit players at night and drive them into a fit of terror, preventing them from taking action.[/i]
- Operates the same as town roleblockers, above. However, any/all mafia roleblockers will be unlimited shot roleblockers. - Mafia players will be provided with a QT to speak with each other.
The role list above includes all potential roles that can appear in the game. It does not include all potential character names players may receive.
Mafia/Town Power roles may request one fake claim by PMing the hosts with the role you wish to fake claim. The PM should inform us what role you want to fake claim (for instance, VT / doctor / 1-shot doctor / etc).
The character names are for fun. They are not for strategy, and I will assign characters to players in a way that undermines attempts to use names for strategy.
For instance, a player might be given the character "Flounder" (from The Little Mermaid) with a cop / doctor / etc. role even though Flounder does not appear as a named character above. Similarly, a player might receive a princess character name like "Snow White" and be given a power role like cop / doctor / etc. Some princesses may be purposefully omitted from the game to provide mafia with fake claims. So for example, I might leave "Cinderella" out of the game so that mafia can fake claim Cinderella without being cc'd.
Updated OP, will be adding some more information on setup and mechanics soon! :> Characters 1. meatpudding 2. JennyHell 3. lilwade 4. gobbledydook 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13.
Fairy Godmothers Town - Lord Tolkien Town - LoneMeow Town - HaruRH Town - Artanis[XP] Town - Blazinghand Mafia - ObiWanShinobi Either - Holyflare Either – Iamperfection We probably have enough, but I don’t mind adding more if anyone else would like to /fairygodmother
FYI: The mafia forums have a library ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/274334-tl-mafia-central-library ) which have a few guides / analysis of prior games you can take a look at, if you'd like. Of course, your coach should be a good source of information as well! Here's a few things that sometimes are posted in newbie games to give you some things to think about :D
There's probably newer (and maybe better?) stuff in the library as well. If you want more resources just let us know!
On August 11 2014 23:11 Barakos wrote: I would really like to give forum mafia a try - so...
/in
On August 12 2014 12:08 Breshke wrote: Basically first game of forum mafia ever so if that's okay, /in
That's fine! If you have any questions on how the game works or anything like that, feel free to ask about them in thread before the game begins or by PMing a host. Your coach(es) can give you advice, too.
On August 12 2014 15:47 Teemursu wrote: Do you think this game would end before the Cell game starts? Otherwise I can't play.
I really doubt it, Cell only needs a few more people so I am expectant it'll get started pretty soon. And due to a family thing, I probably would start this next Monday even if signups filled today. Sorry but thanks for asking!
On August 12 2014 23:28 Amiko wrote: That's fine! If you have any questions on how the game works or anything like that, feel free to ask about them in thread before the game begins or by PMing a host. Your coach(es) can give you advice, too.
I guess the most questions will come up while actually playing... and for the meantime, you gave quite a lot to read. And it's not, like there are no other games running on TL, which you could read to get a feel of how mafia is played here... I think I actually found a game with some names, that are also in this game. ^^
No problem :D and don't worry, you don't need to read any of the guide stuff (I think I went in more or less blind myself, lol)
The rules are a lot more expansive and overly inclusive in newbie games because people are just starting out but many of them can probably be inferred.
On August 12 2014 15:47 Teemursu wrote: Do you think this game would end before the Cell game starts? Otherwise I can't play.
I really doubt it, Cell only needs a few more people so I am expectant it'll get started pretty soon. And due to a family thing, I probably would start this next Monday even if signups filled today. Sorry but thanks for asking!
Ah okay, if it starts on Monday then yeah. I was just asking because someone said that game would start only 18th earliest or something.
Hey guys, really interested in trying mafia. I have played mafia once before, and am really interested in playing it more! And let's be perfectly honest, who doesn't want to be a princess? :D
Hey guys, really interested in trying mafia. I have played mafia once before, and am really interested in playing it more! And let's be perfectly honest, who doesn't want to be a princess? :D
Welcome! I hope you like playing with us. If you have any questions, you can always pm me or the other hosts. Also, Amiko posted links to mafia guides, if you're interested in it.
We currently have 9 players signed up. I could run a setup pretty easily for between 9-13 players.
START TIMING
So, the game will start on 8/25, provided that we have at least nine players who have confirmed. If we get up to 13 before then, great. If we go with nine, no problem - I will modify the setup somewhat to account for nine players.
DEADLINE
Currently the game deadline is set for 03:00 GMT (+00:00) (this should show your local time). Votes and night actions are cut off at the deadline. There may be some gameplay benefits if you are present for deadlines, but it isn't required. Another option would be two hours earlier, 01:00 GMT (+00:00).
PMs will go out to each player currently signed up in the next 15-20 minutes to let you guys know and ask you to confirm for 8/25. Please also PM your preference between the two deadlines.
If we dip under 9 people we'll see how many we have
The Characters (Players): Currently I am aiming to run this game for 13 players. Depending on the level of interest in the game, I may alter the setup to accommodate more or less players. 1. meatpudding 2. JennyHell 3. lilwade 4. gobbledydook 5. MihZaaa 6. Barakos 7. Breshke 8. abuse 9. Superbia 10. 11. 12. 13.
Assuming 9 players signed up and confirmed, game will start in approximately (or two hours earlier as deadline preferences dictate)
8/9 players have confirmed so far - I'll keep an eye out for the last one. I'll circulate one more time option to pick between via PM, thanks for getting back to me!
Two times being circulated: (1) Current Leader - 01:00 GMT (+00:00) or (2) Alternate - 20:00 GMT (+00:00)
Note: This is for the time of day - we're still targeting 8/25 as the start date. This script is just a little wonky when I use countdown instead of time.
On August 22 2014 20:23 abuse wrote: Is each Townie getting a specific princess role asigned to them? :3
Each player will be assigned a character in their PM. You may claim your character if you wish (or lie about it as you like).
The character assignments are more for fun, not strategy... assignments and fakeclaims are setup so that massclaiming characters ("I'm Cinderella!") shouldn't provide any advantages over normal massclaiming ("I'm VT!"). Certain characters will be assigned or unassigned specifically to limit strategic use of character names.
I heard back from everyone and the preference (by a small margin) is 01:00 GMT (+00:00) deadline.
So, game scheduled to start in:
There's 9 signed up and it sounds like one more person who may be added; setup info will be updated for 9-10 players.
SETUP
Setup information has been updated for 9-10 players. Please be advised that the roles/powers have been changed to accommodate this setup (for instance, Sebastian is now a jailkeeper, and Pumbaa/Prince Phillip are now bulletproof).
Players and coaches will be sent a PM with their role/character/coach QT within 2-3 hours of this post. All PMs should have been sent. If you have not received your PM, please PM me!
You may talk in your QT with your coaches/mafia team about the game. Do not post here yet!
The game will begin with a "Day 1" post. Until the game begins, you may only post in this thread. Do not post anything else in the thread until then.
nce upon a time, in kingdoms far, far away, there were many beautiful and kind princesses. These princesses reigned over their lands and cared deeply for the well-being of their all their subjects. As years passed, the kingdoms were thankful for their peace and prosperity. But, one fateful day (now known as “Day 1”), three magical fairies visited each kingdom with urgent news. The royal family knew the value of their counsel, and welcomed them immediately.
“My lords and ladies, I bring terrible news,” spoke Amiko. “It seems that forces of wickedness have returned with dangerous magic!” “Indeed!” said Glowingbear, wings twitching with concern. "Beware, their magic will disguise them beyond even our perception. They may be among us already... they might even be posing as you!" “We have come to offer you gifts, that you might prevail against them!” said Alakaslam.
“I shall grant you strength, that you may unite your powers to strike back at your enemies!” said Amiko. “But be forewarned, if you are deceived the power may injure your allies as well as your enemies! Be wise, princesses!”
“I shall make you adorable, that you will be too cute to be attacked by the evil!” said Glowingbear. “But, I fear this magic will only protect you during the hours of the day. Be wary, princesses!”
“I shall grant you CHUPAZI, that you may ¡HIJOLE! when necessary in these trying times,” said Alakaslam. “Be SVENGALI, princesses!”
The three waved their magic wands, and the spell was cast. But, even as each princess received their blessings, they knew that they would need to take drastic measures to protect themselves and their kingdoms. This challenge would require the help of all. Each land recognized the need to work together. They selected among them their most trusted, their most pure of heart: their princesses and closest allies. They met and set themselves to the task: to find the wicked and eliminate them. And yet, as they looked to each other, they realized something was not right...
Day 1 has begun. Day 1 will end in: Voting is mandatory. Vote in the following format: ##Vote: Amiko Players may now post. Please remember the restrictions on discussing coaching & PMs, and remember not to edit your posts! If you have any questions, PM us! Good luck, have fun!
Little town it's a quiet village. Everyday like the one before. Little town full of little people, waking up to say. ¡HIJOLE! ¡HIJOLE! ¡HIJOLE! ¡HIJOLE!
Good morning my darlings. I have awoken from my much needed slumber and now we are going to hop to it, there's no time to flounder about! You all heard the fairy godmothers!
First on the agenda is... Complimenting the magnificent mod of this wonderful event. - The flavour text was exquisite. Good job!
Now, to more pressing matters. Since when did you do flavour meatpie? Don't get me wrong it's refreshing, but is it towny? I don't recall you doing it last game, although you were getting beaten quite hard (not by abuse) by almost everyone so I guess all you really had time for was defending yourself. Needless to say, I have my eyes on you.
lilwade, lilwade, wherefore art thou, lilwade?! On the mountain tonight? How can I follow you if there's no footprint to be seen?
Superbia! My name isn't evil at all. Hell is a Swedish surname and does not mean the counterpart of "heaven". Just fyi. I do however agree that abuse is bang out of order! We'll just have to wait and see what he's got to hit us with.
May I also suggest that we all give reads in Bang, Marry, Kill format? It's something I started on DailyMafia and will continue here, whether you like it or not ;D
OOC: This is my 3rd mafia game (of all time and here on TL). The other two were The Beginning and Star Trek. I think flavour should be compulsory for princess mafia.
Jenny, you're looking as beautiful as you ever do, morning noon or night. But the evil and wicked ones have assumed the visage of our dearest ones. I will be looking into your heart to find where your true alignment lies.
Superbia: meatpaper is a man with many a names. There are countless and countless of variations to meatphone's name. You just have to pick which one suits you best. Is it meatpouch or is it meatpurge? It's hard to say exactly what his towngame is, for me, because all that happened was that he was being harassed and had to defend himself. He wasn't very active during the day and I guess a lot of people wanted to go for the "safelynch" so to speak. Sadly enough he was one of the two wagons we had, and he sadly ended up being town. He was put in a very awkward situation with only a couple of hours to try to sway everyone elses votes. He tried to bring up some scummy things other people had done during the day, as his defense, which ended up with him looking as though he was defending both the people on the chopping block. I don't necessarily think, now afterwards, that it was truly intended but it is what it is. The other guy was lynched and in the night I went through the entire topic again and did some major calculations(1+1=2) and realized that way too many were going on him. He was probably town. I voiced my opinion and was killed during that first night. First mafia game, first to get killed by mafia.. Rudeness! I guess I have myself to blame for being too towny. Everyone read me town that game and I had 2 people who was ride or die with me. I'll let you know though, if anything out of the ordinary, based on what I've seen, shows up in meatpickle's posts. Just like I did with his sudden interest in flavouring it up.
meatproud: Flattery will get you a long way, but not far enough to be my beloved spouse. You will have to work much harder than that.
Also, Jenny, were you proclaiming anything with the bold text related to your bang/marry/kill system in your first post? If so, please make it clear what your standings are.
I am Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty. I may or may not be a blue role. I will do all I can to root out all evil and wickedness in this realm. God save the princesses.
Superbia, oh no, the bold was just me trolling about abuse's name and adding different kinds of abuse in there.. erhm Expect more of that btw.
The bang marry kill works a bit like this:
Bang - someone you think is town or leaning town, so you'd be willing to engage in a 1 time goodtime, giggity, and then they will have to keep prove themselves if they want to keep getting it.
Marry - This is your number 1. Your top town, the one you are willing to go to the end with. Ofc, like irl you can apply for a divorce should a skeleton come out of the closet. But this is to signify who you want to align yourself with during the game.
Kill - This one should be obv. Everyone who isn't a bang or a marry ends up in this category. If you want to can make a kill list of who should be dead first, and the others will have to lick your dirty boots to get back on your good side.
Hopefully that will make people see now how I do it, and feel free to do it yourselves if you want to. Also, if you find someone you don't want to hookup with and also don't really feel like killing, I guess you could add a null area for those that do nothing for you. But try to not make that one too large, because it's really difficult for us other townies to discern those kinds of reads.
Gobblegobblegobble, welcome my fair maiden. God will not save us here, we will have to take matters into our own hands and solve this puzzle the best way we know how! Kill people and search their pockets for wicked dust that have turned those ugly faces into a beautiful facade.
Haha, welcome to the topic, Breshke. It wasn't awful at all! I didn't read it, I sang it out loud! Maybe a better word at the end would have been mob? Sort of similar to mafia and only one syllable, so it rolls better off the tongue. Or maybe even better!!! SCUM! To defeat the scuuuum!!
And 'Happy Birthday' to our host, if i am not missinterpreting that little birthday-hat right next to your name! ^^
On August 26 2014 10:22 Superbia wrote: Scumreading JennyHell and abuse due to evil sounding names.
Funny, that out of all people you call someone out for having an evil name, when it is you, who is using the latin word for 'pride', one of the seven cardinal sins, as your name...
And in the last newbie-game a guy named DCLXVI was a mafia goon... latin numbers... and connected to the devil as well... this can't be a coincidence!
On August 26 2014 11:38 JennyHell wrote: Good morning my darlings. I have awoken from my much needed slumber and now we are going to hop to it, there's no time to flounder about! You all heard the fairy godmothers!
First on the agenda is... Complimenting the magnificent mod of this wonderful event. - The flavour text was exquisite. Good job!
Now, to more pressing matters. Since when did you do flavour meatpie? Don't get me wrong it's refreshing, but is it towny? I don't recall you doing it last game, although you were getting beaten quite hard (not by abuse) by almost everyone so I guess all you really had time for was defending yourself. Needless to say, I have my eyes on you.
lilwade, lilwade, wherefore art thou, lilwade?! On the mountain tonight? How can I follow you if there's no footprint to be seen?
Superbia! My name isn't evil at all. Hell is a Swedish surname and does not mean the counterpart of "heaven". Just fyi. I do however agree that abuse is bang out of order! We'll just have to wait and see what he's got to hit us with.
May I also suggest that we all give reads in Bang, Marry, Kill format? It's something I started on DailyMafia and will continue here, whether you like it or not ;D
Jennayyyy I am here! I hope you stick around longer than 1 night this time around. I like your play style, it makes me want to sing. I hope we get some more activity soon, what are your thoughts thus far?
lilwade, Oh how I hope I will last longer than 1 night this time around! I'm glad you feel the same way. Singing is awesome! We need to sing with all the voices of the mountains!
My thoughts so far aren't many, but here we go.
1. I hope for more activity! This is painfully slow. But I'm assuming it's odd hours at all places of the world so just hold on nor necessarily super tight, because it's not needed right now, and enjoy the sloooooooooooooooow snail ride to town victory!
2. meatpatty is currently being different than what you and I are used to, lilwade, based on the last game. So I'm keeping my eyes on him.
3. Barakos crashes in and slams a good one on superbia. However, I didn't really like it. I like that he's aware of what happened in the last newbie game, because it shows some sort of interest and effort in wanting enough pre-info to be able to read the game correctly. Which probably also mean he is willing to filter dive us all from previous games, and that can only be a good thing. Now to the fact that I didn't really like what he said. Superbia was first to post and the startups are always trolly and odd. He made a similar joke as someone else did last newbie game with me and DC being scummy because of our names. Low and behold, it's not something you can read anyone from. Therefore, I don't think that Barakos can nor should read too much in to #1 post made in day 1, nor should he focus on peoples forum handles being scummy. That said, I don't think he is, or at least hope he isn't. Time will tell!
4. Some of you have made me sing already which is lovely.. But let's not make this into a claim-fest because it may out good roles and help hide scum.
5. I also appreciated that Superbia came out and asked what a typical town read on meatpillow would be. I would suggest he filter dives meatpole's previous games to get a better knowledge himself.
On August 26 2014 15:35 meatpudding wrote: Maybe I'm too much of a newbie, but isn't this the opposite of true? More activity means we can be assured to hunt down the wicked ones.
I think town have the chance to win either way, if we play it out correctly. If it's a slow ride, then nothing much to do about it. We can't force people to talk.. Unless we treat them like we treated you, meatpizza, and look where that got us... I had you night 1 though.. I had you meatpimp! I tried to call the hounds off, but noone listened to me, even though I was killed.
You are correct though that it is easier to scum hunt if people are being active, because you have more to go from. The same way it's also easier to read people town that way.
Let's just hope the activity picks up. Who knows, we might be riding Turbo soon enough! (Sorry Disney for bringing in Pixar references!)
I see people have taken note of my name already - which is lovely. Seems like timezones are quite an issue in this game, as the voting was very close and in the end the less fortunate time for me was voted in, and due to this the phases change at *drumroll* 4 am for me. Which is awesome + Show Spoiler +
not really
Hopefully the reason that a few people have not posted yet is the timezones, as it sucks quite hard if people have to be replaced early on due to inactivity..
I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later.
I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.)
I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys -
What alignment did you get?(town or scum)
What were you hoping to get?
What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies?
I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys -
What alignment did you get?(town or scum)
What were you hoping to get?
What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies?
I am town aligned and it was what i was hoping for. I don't think i would be a fan of Lynch all Lurkers as this is a newbie game and people such as myself find it hard to post unless questions are posed to them. (hopefully i can improve on this) I don't know where i stand on Lynch all liars though.
Hello fellow princesses. Let us cleanse the world of wickedness shall we?
So there's been some activity while I was asleep and even though I mostly got some town vibes I'm a little weary about you JennyHell. You're being active a lot and that's great for reads but when you said that you were killed night 1 for being to towny I immediately thought why would he put himself out there so much once more. Wouldn't he be a little more lurky at least day one? (not necessarily completely silent but it's undeniable that the attention is on you right now). Maybe it's just my inexperience with forum mafia speaking but I'm not sure how comfortable I am with the disproportion between how much you've spoken and how many reads you gave. Three if you count the Superbia appreciation but I don't think I see that as a solid read.
You did give mostly your scum reads which I think as mafia you would have tried to get people to like you instead of pressing them so that's why you're still in my princess circle.I do want to hear from you day 2 because I feel like if you are town you are being a valuable princess to have and if you are mafia it's good that you talk a lot so we can see the wickedness inside your heart. As think as the day goes on we can find better lynches.
I did like Superbia's inquiry in regards to meatpalm's playstyle and by extension I didn't like Barakos attacking him. It's still pretty early in the day and my reads right now haven't got much heft to them. I'm looking forward to see more people talk though.
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote: Hello people~
I see people have taken note of my name already - which is lovely. Seems like timezones are quite an issue in this game, as the voting was very close and in the end the less fortunate time for me was voted in, and due to this the phases change at *drumroll* 4 am for me. Which is awesome + Show Spoiler +
not really
Hopefully the reason that a few people have not posted yet is the timezones, as it sucks quite hard if people have to be replaced early on due to inactivity..
I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later.
I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.)
I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys -
What alignment did you get?(town or scum)
What were you hoping to get?
What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies?
Hello darling, I see you've come in and hit us with some questions. I will approach those soon enough, but let me start with punching you back.
You said you've read quite a lot of the previous newbie game, but not the first days. Was it someone in particular you were trying to get info on by doing that? Because only 3 of the people from the previous game is currently playing and if you say "Not the first days" dayS, means more than 1 right? I died n1, and meatpicture was lynched d2, so the only one you could possibly have seen that might be benificial for this game is lilwade.
I'd defo urge you to read day 1 and 2 as well, otherwise your dive into the previous game is almost completely fruitless. Just fyi.
Now to your questions, although I can see why someone would make such a play, I'm not a huge fan of it. Too easy for scum to hide. But I'll indulge you. Else you might just hit me again.
I am top town, yay me!
Couldn't care less if I was mafia or town. I like the game in general and don't care which side of the spectrum I am on.
The policies all depend on who fall under those categories. I prefer to try to read people based on what they have given, rather than come out of the bat and just get rid of the stragglers. Some people are bound to do less than others, and it's not necessarily indicative of either a mafia or town alignment.
Killing all liars? You know it's a game of lies a deceit right? And there might be moments where town will have to go out of their way and say things that may not be 100% truthful, in order to save their asses from people being wrong, yeah? Or mafia pushing on them and getting town on the wrong path.
I hope that gave you the insight you were looking for. Again, just to remind you, read day 1 and 2 in the last newbie game.
Nobody will answer scum and even if they do, a little bit of trolling I don't think is alignment indicative, if anything it gives me more town vibes.
Was hoping to get a power roll of some sort because sometimes defending yourself as vanilla town can be very frustrating when you don't convince people that have gotten fixated on you.
I don't like lynch all lurkers, I prefer don't play with the lurker next game. Some times especially in newbie games vt will lurk and mislynching is not worth it just to be righteous.
As to lynch all liars, i do like it when for example when people claim roles to protect the real ones but those are very rare occasions so even though i wouldn't bilindly lynch a liar I sure would keep an eye on him and have him in my scum side.
I'll have to go now for up to 5 hours but I will resume as soon as i get back home.
On August 26 2014 16:42 MihZaaa wrote: Hello fellow princesses. Let us cleanse the world of wickedness shall we?
So there's been some activity while I was asleep and even though I mostly got some town vibes I'm a little weary about you JennyHell. You're being active a lot and that's great for reads but when you said that you were killed night 1 for being to towny I immediately thought why would he put himself out there so much once more. Wouldn't he be a little more lurky at least day one? (not necessarily completely silent but it's undeniable that the attention is on you right now). Maybe it's just my inexperience with forum mafia speaking but I'm not sure how comfortable I am with the disproportion between how much you've spoken and how many reads you gave. Three if you count the Superbia appreciation but I don't think I see that as a solid read.
You did give mostly your scum reads which I think as mafia you would have tried to get people to like you instead of pressing them so that's why you're still in my princess circle.I do want to hear from you day 2 because I feel like if you are town you are being a valuable princess to have and if you are mafia it's good that you talk a lot so we can see the wickedness inside your heart. As think as the day goes on we can find better lynches.
I did like Superbia's inquiry in regards to meatpalm's playstyle and by extension I didn't like Barakos attacking him. It's still pretty early in the day and my reads right now haven't got much heft to them. I'm looking forward to see more people talk though.
Hi MihZaaaa, we shall indeed cleanse the world! Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny. I like that you are being wary of me. I am not confirmed to anyone but myself, but that said, I am a good ally to have in this world where wickedness have taken over. We need to banish it once and for all and save all of disneytopia!
Also, MihZaa, you said you didn't like the disproportion of my amount of posts and how few reads I've given. How many reads do you honestly think is appropriate this early in to the game? How many do you think you could possibly give?
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote: I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys -
What alignment did you get?(town or scum)
What were you hoping to get?
What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies?
Firstly, I am very wary of those who ask general questions, without providing their own answers first. Same goes for Jenny's MBK list, although I think it's way too early for that. At this point I think anyone could be a wicked one, and I'm not about to start trusting a single person until the day goes on.
Of Lynch all Lurkers, this has been invoked on me a couple of times so I have mixed feelings about it. It stands to reason that if there is no solid lynch candidate, to target a lurker on policy. It's always better to try and lynch a wicked one though. The greatest purpose of this policy is to make the scum fearful of lurking.
Lynch all Liars I don't believe in. In my experience, scum have been very careful about what they say to avoid lies and contradictions. Townsfolk will change their reads when they realise they've been tricked. It's a very townie trait to be changing it up as the day goes on. On the other hand, it's important to watch the MBK lists especially from D2 onwards. If you see someone giving a marry or a kill without good reason, chances are they are scum. Votes are the most important thing, if someone votes for a princess who's not on their kill list, be worried.
On August 26 2014 15:35 meatpudding wrote: Maybe I'm too much of a newbie, but isn't this the opposite of true? More activity means we can be assured to hunt down the wicked ones.
I think town have the chance to win either way, if we play it out correctly. If it's a slow ride, then nothing much to do about it. We can't force people to talk.. Unless we treat them like we treated you, meatpizza, and look where that got us... I had you night 1 though.. I had you meatpimp! I tried to call the hounds off, but noone listened to me, even though I was killed.
You are correct though that it is easier to scum hunt if people are being active, because you have more to go from. The same way it's also easier to read people town that way.
Let's just hope the activity picks up. Who knows, we might be riding Turbo soon enough! (Sorry Disney for bringing in Pixar references!)
On August 26 2014 16:51 JennyHell wrote: You said you've read quite a lot of the previous newbie game, but not the first days. Was it someone in particular you were trying to get info on by doing that? Because only 3 of the people from the previous game is currently playing and if you say "Not the first days" dayS, means more than 1 right? I died n1, and meatpicture was lynched d2, so the only one you could possibly have seen that might be benificial for this game is lilwade.
I'd defo urge you to read day 1 and 2 as well, otherwise your dive into the previous game is almost completely fruitless. Just fyi.
I did not dive into them, I just followed the game as it happened(started following when it was about mid-way), when I wanted to find out how does mafia even happen in a forum environment. I will definitely read the first two days later.
On August 26 2014 16:55 MihZaaa wrote: To answer your questions abuse:
Nobody will answer scum and even if they do, a little bit of trolling I don't think is alignment indicative, if anything it gives me more town vibes.
you'd be surprised what you can get from these questions.
Just to be clear - I am a supporter of Lynch all Liars and Lynch all Lurkers, if I do not have a clear scumread on someone by the time it's time to vote. In my mind, there is no real time when a townie lying would benefit town, so I would urge you not to do so, because if I catch you, I will push you. And chances are you will be scum when you flip afterwards. I have also recently played with a very annoying lurker, who just deflected all questions and did not really give any information at all to town. Behavior like this will also be pushed HARD.
Hopefully we get a good town atmosphere going where everyone is open about their thoughts and reads so scum has nowhere to hide. Have fun peeps~
On August 26 2014 17:02 meatpudding wrote: Same goes for Jenny's MBK list, although I think it's way too early for that. At this point I think anyone could be a wicked one, and I'm not about to start trusting a single person until the day goes on.
I have yet to give a MBK list, because it's way too early. I merely explained what it all meant and suggested that we should all use that format. Don't see what's scummy about that.. Unless you are a dryball that doesn't appreciate bringing fun in to things, which you yourself expressed earlier that you thought it was obligatory that we brought some flavour into this disney game.
Fair enough - I am town and was hoping for a town power role.
Waiting for your answer to this also.
As for the policies, I have explained my stance a little above. You seem to have a bit little different view on the lynch all liars policy. How I see is, if you get caught lying - not explain it yourself, beforehand, and why you are changing your mind, then it is scummy and you deserve a lynch. Town does not have a reason to lie, without a reason (if you catch my drift). If a lie like that is caught, then this policy would take effect.
On August 26 2014 17:02 meatpudding wrote: Same goes for Jenny's MBK list, although I think it's way too early for that. At this point I think anyone could be a wicked one, and I'm not about to start trusting a single person until the day goes on.
I have yet to give a MBK list, because it's way too early. I merely explained what it all meant and suggested that we should all use that format. Don't see what's scummy about that.. Unless you are a dryball that doesn't appreciate bringing fun in to things, which you yourself expressed earlier that you thought it was obligatory that we brought some flavour into this disney game.
I agree it is way too early. I'm not objecting to the use of the format, I love it. I think that asking people to give reads so early is meaningless. (Should be obvious)
On August 26 2014 17:10 abuse wrote: @ meatpudding,
Fair enough - I am town and was hoping for a town power role.
Waiting for your answer to this also.
As for the policies, I have explained my stance a little above. You seem to have a bit little different view on the lynch all liars policy. How I see is, if you get caught lying - not explain it yourself, beforehand, and why you are changing your mind, then it is scummy and you deserve a lynch. Town does not have a reason to lie, without a reason (if you catch my drift). If a lie like that is caught, then this policy would take effect.
I'm VT and that's the only role I've played before. I like it.
I guess there is a distinction between a lie told on purpose and a change of opinion.
On August 26 2014 11:38 JennyHell wrote: May I also suggest that we all give reads in Bang, Marry, Kill format? It's something I started on DailyMafia and will continue here, whether you like it or not ;D
Upon re-reading I think that is what you were trying to say. I thought that you were asking us to give reads right away.
On August 26 2014 17:02 JennyHell wrote: Also, MihZaa, you said you didn't like the disproportion of my amount of posts and how few reads I've given. How many reads do you honestly think is appropriate this early in to the game? How many do you think you could possibly give?
No, not at all. When i said that you had given plenty of reads for how early it was. The disproportion stemmed from the multitude and length of posts and not from too few reads. Again, this is a minor thing though.
What I would like to see is more from lilwade though. He may be asleep right now because I see he lives in the us but I'm interested in the fact that he asked for reads but ultimately did not contribute. I see that as a little scummy as if he's testing the waters with his toe before putting himself at all in the spotlight. I'll wait 10-12 more hours before I form an opinion based on being lurky. Daydreamarine is in the same boat.
In regards to the kill, bang, marry thing I think i'm in a bang jennyhell spot because I liked your reads and because I think you would have been more reluctant to take the microphone so hard day 1 had you been mafia. I'm too young to get married though.
At work, so i will try to post some thoughts... if you have any questions, ask them, i will answer, when i am at home in ~3h
First of, to get this out of the world (at least I hope so): I didn't mean to attack superbia. I liked the irony and wanted to point it out, because I found it funny. I may be new to forummafia but i wouldn't go as far as calling people scum because of their names. I also could have added some smileys to make the intention behind the post a bit clearer. For what it's worth: 'Barakos' is a name I took out of a Warhammer Fantasy Battlereport, where the author named his Strigoi-Vampirecount 'Barakos' and i've been using the name ever since, so if you want a 'scummy' name... there you got it.
Hope, that will be all, there is left to say about the name-discussion... now for the important stuff:
On Jenny: I think Jenny is playing very similar to the last Newbie-Mafia and trys to get the thread going / is very vocal, so seeing that she was town the last game, I read her as town for now, although i am not very sure, since she stated herself:
On August 26 2014 16:59 JennyHell wrote: Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny.
Still most towny person at the moment.
On Abuse: I didn't like you posting questions before answering them yourself... especially the ones, where you ask for the opinions on lurker- and liar-lynches.. It looks to me, as if you were trying to get yourselft the permission to lurk for a while... granted: you answered your questions when you were asked, still I found this a bit odd and will keep an eye on you.
And to answer your questions:
My alignment is town, but i kinda hoped i would roll mafia. I absolutely hate playing in the dark, so i would have loved to know, who is friend and who is foe. Now i will have to trust my instincts... god help us all!
Lynching a liar is something that is very situation-dependend... like "Did the person lie to protect a powerrole at night?" vs. "Did sb. fakeclaim a powerrole at daytime to get the real powerrole lynched?".
Lynching the lurkers is something I would only resort to, if I had no better scumread on anybody else, since I think it is a quite weak motiv to lynch somebody and chances are high, the lynchee will flip town. That being said: this is my first forumgame, so I haven't really met any really annoying lurkers. Let's just hope, everybody is active in this game, so we can get solid reads.
On the other ones, that have posted so far: There is not much I can read out of your posts so far... mostly due to the fact, that there aren't that many posts to read from.
My reason for asking about lynching liars and lurkers served 3 purposes.
1) to get your thoughts out, so people can have a peek into each others brains a little 2) to make sure people were on the same end of the stick as me, when it comes to what constitues a "liar" and what constitues a "lurker". One of the things being - I don't mind lurkers as much if they are just inactive. I do on the other half mind a lurker that is being called out but keeps ignoring questions. I have had this happen in another game and it is very annoying and I will not tolerate this. 3) See how people react to the policies, as well as what alignments would they prefer to play. While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.(for example, compare your answer of the first question to MihZaaa) Later down the game you can use this as a tool to see if they match it or not.
I really do not have a problem with answering these questions myself, but how often do you really see people asking questions to others while answering them themselves at first? It also served a double purpose, to see who would call me out on it and how soon would it happen. Happened pretty soon, which is good.
Is everyone else really sleeping at the moment? we have only done 2 pages of in-game content in the first... many hours, and the previous newbie game had 30 pages in 1 day, let's step it up! All in all @Barakos, I like what you're saying. Hopefully this level of openness will stick to everyone here.
Currently, no one is set to be lynched with 0 votes. As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! Day 1 will end in .
I guess we'll have to be the ones filling those 30 pages for now.
While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.
I feel like that question has more use in a less controlled environment like irl Mafia. Right now it generated answers like "My alignment is town" and I'm vt. Not much to go off. I do like the second question a lot more though. It still feels a bit like focusing on others so you can throw scum on townies that maybe aren't being seen as town yet rather than a genuine gathering of information with the purpose of finding mafia.
In regards to your answers to your own question. Like, I said I also like being a power role and I said why but you explicitly mentioned that you want it to be a town power role. Can you elaborate why you prefer town power roles.
I like a lot that Barakos logged in from work to pitch in. I think it's less likely that mafia would bother to do that especially when nobody is being put on the spot right now which is when you will see mafia push on them more and be active.
I feel like things will pick up a bit as soon as we can start to get a read on lilwade and daydreamarine as well.
Good afternoon fellow town and most disgustingest scum. This will be humble Superbia's semi-all-encompassing post® #1:
On August 26 2014 10:22 Superbia wrote: Scumreading JennyHell and abuse due to evil sounding names.
Top town.
On August 26 2014 11:12 meatpudding wrote: Little town it's a quiet village. Everyday like the one before. Little town full of little people, waking up to say. ¡HIJOLE! ¡HIJOLE! ¡HIJOLE! ¡HIJOLE!
On August 26 2014 11:21 lilwade wrote: LET IT GO, LET IT GOOOOO!
On August 26 2014 11:38 JennyHell wrote: Good morning my darlings. I have awoken from my much needed slumber and now we are going to hop to it, there's no time to flounder about! You all heard the fairy godmothers!
First on the agenda is... Complimenting the magnificent mod of this wonderful event. - The flavour text was exquisite. Good job!
Now, to more pressing matters. Since when did you do flavour meatpie? Don't get me wrong it's refreshing, but is it towny? I don't recall you doing it last game, although you were getting beaten quite hard (not by abuse) by almost everyone so I guess all you really had time for was defending yourself. Needless to say, I have my eyes on you.
lilwade, lilwade, wherefore art thou, lilwade?! On the mountain tonight? How can I follow you if there's no footprint to be seen?
Superbia! My name isn't evil at all. Hell is a Swedish surname and does not mean the counterpart of "heaven". Just fyi. I do however agree that abuse is bang out of order! We'll just have to wait and see what he's got to hit us with.
May I also suggest that we all give reads in Bang, Marry, Kill format? It's something I started on DailyMafia and will continue here, whether you like it or not ;D
1. This seems pretty fucking hard to go against a typical opening post. Especially weird since you later call out Barakos on his light push on my opening post. What's up Jenny? Not liking this, even though you know meat² and will probably look upon him differently than you would look upon others. -1
On August 26 2014 12:10 meatpudding wrote: OOC: This is my 3rd mafia game (of all time and here on TL). The other two were The Beginning and Star Trek. I think flavour should be compulsory for princess mafia.
Jenny, you're looking as beautiful as you ever do, morning noon or night. But the evil and wicked ones have assumed the visage of our dearest ones. I will be looking into your heart to find where your true alignment lies.
1. One of the first posts, so I will not attribute too much scum to this, but trying to fixate on petty shit like flavour sounds like scummy garbage to me! What does this accomplish as town? -1
2. Soft claiming cop? Alright. +1
On August 26 2014 12:44 JennyHell wrote: Superbia: meatpaper is a man with many a names. There are countless and countless of variations to meatphone's name. You just have to pick which one suits you best. Is it meatpouch or is it meatpurge? It's hard to say exactly what his towngame is, for me, because all that happened was that he was being harassed and had to defend himself. He wasn't very active during the day and I guess a lot of people wanted to go for the "safelynch" so to speak. Sadly enough he was one of the two wagons we had, and he sadly ended up being town. He was put in a very awkward situation with only a couple of hours to try to sway everyone elses votes. He tried to bring up some scummy things other people had done during the day, as his defense, which ended up with him looking as though he was defending both the people on the chopping block. I don't necessarily think, now afterwards, that it was truly intended but it is what it is. The other guy was lynched and in the night I went through the entire topic again and did some major calculations(1+1=2) and realized that way too many were going on him. He was probably town. I voiced my opinion and was killed during that first night. First mafia game, first to get killed by mafia.. Rudeness! I guess I have myself to blame for being too towny. Everyone read me town that game and I had 2 people who was ride or die with me. I'll let you know though, if anything out of the ordinary, based on what I've seen, shows up in meatpickle's posts. Just like I did with his sudden interest in flavouring it up.
meatproud: Flattery will get you a long way, but not far enough to be my beloved spouse. You will have to work much harder than that.
1. Willingly gives insight into their last game. A person with a wider agenda (e.g. scum) may just have referred me to the thread. However, seems like an easy thing for scum to elaborate on regardless. +0.5
2. Being too towny is almost never a bad thing, in my opinion.
On August 26 2014 13:04 gobbledydook wrote: I am Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty. I may or may not be a blue role. I will do all I can to root out all evil and wickedness in this realm. God save the princesses.
Good for you.
On August 26 2014 13:14 JennyHell wrote: Superbia, oh no, the bold was just me trolling about abuse's name and adding different kinds of abuse in there.. erhm Expect more of that btw.
The bang marry kill works a bit like this:
Bang - someone you think is town or leaning town, so you'd be willing to engage in a 1 time goodtime, giggity, and then they will have to keep prove themselves if they want to keep getting it.
Marry - This is your number 1. Your top town, the one you are willing to go to the end with. Ofc, like irl you can apply for a divorce should a skeleton come out of the closet. But this is to signify who you want to align yourself with during the game.
Kill - This one should be obv. Everyone who isn't a bang or a marry ends up in this category. If you want to can make a kill list of who should be dead first, and the others will have to lick your dirty boots to get back on your good side.
Hopefully that will make people see now how I do it, and feel free to do it yourselves if you want to. Also, if you find someone you don't want to hookup with and also don't really feel like killing, I guess you could add a null area for those that do nothing for you. But try to not make that one too large, because it's really difficult for us other townies to discern those kinds of reads.
Gobblegobblegobble, welcome my fair maiden. God will not save us here, we will have to take matters into our own hands and solve this puzzle the best way we know how! Kill people and search their pockets for wicked dust that have turned those ugly faces into a beautiful facade.
Good clarification, even though easy to do, still willing to clarify.
On August 26 2014 13:29 Breshke wrote: Hello everyone Lets get down to business, to defeat the mafia. (God that was awful)
Fuck that Superbia guy, this is my new top town!
In all serious seriousness, slight mafia read here (will elaborate on the read if I see a trend). -0.5
On August 26 2014 13:35 JennyHell wrote: Haha, welcome to the topic, Breshke. It wasn't awful at all! I didn't read it, I sang it out loud! Maybe a better word at the end would have been mob? Sort of similar to mafia and only one syllable, so it rolls better off the tongue. Or maybe even better!!! SCUM! To defeat the scuuuum!!
Alright.
On August 26 2014 13:45 Breshke wrote: hahaha yes scum, that's perfect! Also I think the Bang, Marry Kill is a great idea. Can't wait to use it.
Can't wait for it either! How about giving us a preview?
On August 26 2014 14:30 Barakos wrote: Good morning everybody!
And 'Happy Birthday' to our host, if i am not missinterpreting that little birthday-hat right next to your name! ^^
On August 26 2014 10:22 Superbia wrote: Scumreading JennyHell and abuse due to evil sounding names.
Funny, that out of all people you call someone out for having an evil name, when it is you, who is using the latin word for 'pride', one of the seven cardinal sins, as your name...
And in the last newbie-game a guy named DCLXVI was a mafia goon... latin numbers... and connected to the devil as well... this can't be a coincidence!
Was waiting for this post! Anyone else paying attention? +1
On August 26 2014 14:51 lilwade wrote: Jennayyyy I am here! I hope you stick around longer than 1 night this time around. I like your play style, it makes me want to sing. I hope we get some more activity soon, what are your thoughts thus far?
That's up to you, isn't it?! You filthiest of scummiest scum! Alright.
On August 26 2014 15:21 JennyHell wrote: lilwade, Oh how I hope I will last longer than 1 night this time around! I'm glad you feel the same way. Singing is awesome! We need to sing with all the voices of the mountains!
My thoughts so far aren't many, but here we go.
1. I hope for more activity! This is painfully slow. But I'm assuming it's odd hours at all places of the world so just hold on nor necessarily super tight, because it's not needed right now, and enjoy the sloooooooooooooooow snail ride to town victory!
2. meatpatty is currently being different than what you and I are used to, lilwade, based on the last game. So I'm keeping my eyes on him.
3. Barakos crashes in and slams a good one on superbia. However, I didn't really like it. I like that he's aware of what happened in the last newbie game, because it shows some sort of interest and effort in wanting enough pre-info to be able to read the game correctly. Which probably also mean he is willing to filter dive us all from previous games, and that can only be a good thing. Now to the fact that I didn't really like what he said. Superbia was first to post and the startups are always trolly and odd. He made a similar joke as someone else did last newbie game with me and DC being scummy because of our names. Low and behold, it's not something you can read anyone from. Therefore, I don't think that Barakos can nor should read too much in to #1 post made in day 1, nor should he focus on peoples forum handles being scummy. That said, I don't think he is, or at least hope he isn't. Time will tell!
4. Some of you have made me sing already which is lovely.. But let's not make this into a claim-fest because it may out good roles and help hide scum.
5. I also appreciated that Superbia came out and asked what a typical town read on meatpillow would be. I would suggest he filter dives meatpole's previous games to get a better knowledge himself.
1. Agree, but most people will openly agree with this, regardless of alignment. Isn't it easy to say "uhuh, more activity please!"?
2. Good.
3. Already commented on this at an earlier point in this post, scroll up! Also, someone made a joke very similar to mine? I'm a fraud.
4 (or 5?). Maybe at a later point, I'm expecting starting players to change up their game quite a bit over the course of multiple games (as will I, more than likely!).
On August 26 2014 15:35 meatpudding wrote: Oh Jenny, I have eyes for you as well. *blush* I'm at school so I should be able to show some activity in a few hours.
On August 26 2014 15:35 meatpudding wrote: Maybe I'm too much of a newbie, but isn't this the opposite of true? More activity means we can be assured to hunt down the wicked ones.
I think town have the chance to win either way, if we play it out correctly. If it's a slow ride, then nothing much to do about it. We can't force people to talk.. Unless we treat them like we treated you, meatpizza, and look where that got us... I had you night 1 though.. I had you meatpimp! I tried to call the hounds off, but noone listened to me, even though I was killed.
You are correct though that it is easier to scum hunt if people are being active, because you have more to go from. The same way it's also easier to read people town that way.
Let's just hope the activity picks up. Who knows, we might be riding Turbo soon enough! (Sorry Disney for bringing in Pixar references!)
1. I like your confidence Jenny-chan, but I prefer relevant active activity from all people! We haven't had a lot of activity yet.
2. Scummy reference. Careful now!
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote: Hello people~
I see people have taken note of my name already - which is lovely. Seems like timezones are quite an issue in this game, as the voting was very close and in the end the less fortunate time for me was voted in, and due to this the phases change at *drumroll* 4 am for me. Which is awesome [spoiler]not really[/spoiler] Hopefully the reason that a few people have not posted yet is the timezones, as it sucks quite hard if people have to be replaced early on due to inactivity..
I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later.
I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.)
I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys -
What alignment did you get?(town or scum)
What were you hoping to get?
What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies?
1. Alright.
2. Keeping you to that promise!
3. Don't like this, feels like a preface for possible shitty (i.e. scummy) play. -0.5
4. Ooh! General questions that anyone can ask! I'll answer honestly, honestly!
I got the towniest townie of the town alignment! Good for me, because that's what I wanted as well!
I'm up for lynching any lurkers/inactives so we can tyrannically encourage activity!
I don't like to lynch all liars! Surely townies can get information by lying? I'm expecting townies to lie as well (though I never will, I vehemently promise!). That doesn't exclude lynching people for lying, it simply depends on what kind of lie it was.
I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys -
What alignment did you get?(town or scum)
What were you hoping to get?
What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies?
I am town aligned and it was what i was hoping for. I don't think i would be a fan of Lynch all Lurkers as this is a newbie game and people such as myself find it hard to post unless questions are posed to them. (hopefully i can improve on this) I don't know where i stand on Lynch all liars though.
Uh-oh! -0.5
On August 26 2014 16:42 MihZaaa wrote: Hello fellow princesses. Let us cleanse the world of wickedness shall we?
So there's been some activity while I was asleep and even though I mostly got some town vibes I'm a little weary about you JennyHell. You're being active a lot and that's great for reads but when you said that you were killed night 1 for being to towny I immediately thought why would he put himself out there so much once more. Wouldn't he be a little more lurky at least day one? (not necessarily completely silent but it's undeniable that the attention is on you right now). Maybe it's just my inexperience with forum mafia speaking but I'm not sure how comfortable I am with the disproportion between how much you've spoken and how many reads you gave. Three if you count the Superbia appreciation but I don't think I see that as a solid read.
You did give mostly your scum reads which I think as mafia you would have tried to get people to like you instead of pressing them so that's why you're still in my princess circle.I do want to hear from you day 2 because I feel like if you are town you are being a valuable princess to have and if you are mafia it's good that you talk a lot so we can see the wickedness inside your heart. As think as the day goes on we can find better lynches.
I did like Superbia's inquiry in regards to meatpalm's playstyle and by extension I didn't like Barakos attacking him. It's still pretty early in the day and my reads right now haven't got much heft to them. I'm looking forward to see more people talk though.
1. Alright, I want to address this: being lynched as VT is not a bad thing, it means you've kept the heat off of the town role. No such thing as too townie (though I guess it can depend on your playstyle). Please keep being active and (quite possibly) townie, Jenny!
Furthermore, not sure what to think of this read. It raises a few flags, which I will elaborate on if these damn flags keep showing their flaggy scumfaces! -0.5
2. She didn't scum-read a lot from what I can tell. just a push on meatloaf for something most possibly benign. I do agree with the rest of the post, however.
3. Baaaah!
On August 26 2014 16:51 JennyHell wrote: Hello darling, I see you've come in and hit us with some questions. I will approach those soon enough, but let me start with punching you back.
You said you've read quite a lot of the previous newbie game, but not the first days. Was it someone in particular you were trying to get info on by doing that? Because only 3 of the people from the previous game is currently playing and if you say "Not the first days" dayS, means more than 1 right? I died n1, and meatpicture was lynched d2, so the only one you could possibly have seen that might be benificial for this game is lilwade.
I'd defo urge you to read day 1 and 2 as well, otherwise your dive into the previous game is almost completely fruitless. Just fyi.
Now to your questions, although I can see why someone would make such a play, I'm not a huge fan of it. Too easy for scum to hide. But I'll indulge you. Else you might just hit me again.
I am top town, yay me!
Couldn't care less if I was mafia or town. I like the game in general and don't care which side of the spectrum I am on.
The policies all depend on who fall under those categories. I prefer to try to read people based on what they have given, rather than come out of the bat and just get rid of the stragglers. Some people are bound to do less than others, and it's not necessarily indicative of either a mafia or town alignment.
Killing all liars? You know it's a game of lies a deceit right? And there might be moments where town will have to go out of their way and say things that may not be 100% truthful, in order to save their asses from people being wrong, yeah? Or mafia pushing on them and getting town on the wrong path.
I hope that gave you the insight you were looking for. Again, just to remind you, read day 1 and 2 in the last newbie game.
I like this post!
1. There's a lot of focus on a mafia game that isn't this one! I'm not sure how good this is. How nice of you to direct the abuser to the correct days, though! Very gentleprincessly. +0.5
2. Alright.
3. Most agreeing of agreements.
On August 26 2014 16:55 MihZaaa wrote: To answer your questions abuse:
Nobody will answer scum and even if they do, a little bit of trolling I don't think is alignment indicative, if anything it gives me more town vibes.
Was hoping to get a power roll of some sort because sometimes defending yourself as vanilla town can be very frustrating when you don't convince people that have gotten fixated on you.
I don't like lynch all lurkers, I prefer don't play with the lurker next game. Some times especially in newbie games vt will lurk and mislynching is not worth it just to be righteous.
As to lynch all liars, i do like it when for example when people claim roles to protect the real ones but those are very rare occasions so even though i wouldn't bilindly lynch a liar I sure would keep an eye on him and have him in my scum side.
I'll have to go now for up to 5 hours but I will resume as soon as i get back home.
1. Nothing is better than anything! Or wait! No! Anything is better than nothing! Right?! (Let the princess do his thing, the more interactions the better!)
2. And here I thought I was prideful! Wanting a power role so it's easier not to die during lynches. Preface for garbage excuse during said lynch? -0.5
3. Alright.
4. 85.7% agreement!
On August 26 2014 16:59 JennyHell wrote:Hi MihZaaaa, we shall indeed cleanse the world! Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny. I like that you are being wary of me. I am not confirmed to anyone but myself, but that said, I am a good ally to have in this world where wickedness have taken over. We need to banish it once and for all and save all of disneytopia!
Alright.
On August 26 2014 17:02 JennyHell wrote: Also, MihZaa, you said you didn't like the disproportion of my amount of posts and how few reads I've given. How many reads do you honestly think is appropriate this early in to the game? How many do you think you could possibly give?
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote: I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys -
What alignment did you get?(town or scum)
What were you hoping to get?
What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies?
Firstly, I am very wary of those who ask general questions, without providing their own answers first. Same goes for Jenny's MBK list, although I think it's way too early for that. At this point I think anyone could be a wicked one, and I'm not about to start trusting a single person until the day goes on.
Of Lynch all Lurkers, this has been invoked on me a couple of times so I have mixed feelings about it. It stands to reason that if there is no solid lynch candidate, to target a lurker on policy. It's always better to try and lynch a wicked one though. The greatest purpose of this policy is to make the scum fearful of lurking.
Lynch all Liars I don't believe in. In my experience, scum have been very careful about what they say to avoid lies and contradictions. Townsfolk will change their reads when they realise they've been tricked. It's a very townie trait to be changing it up as the day goes on. On the other hand, it's important to watch the MBK lists especially from D2 onwards. If you see someone giving a marry or a kill without good reason, chances are they are scum. Votes are the most important thing, if someone votes for a princess who's not on their kill list, be worried.
On August 26 2014 15:35 meatpudding wrote: Maybe I'm too much of a newbie, but isn't this the opposite of true? More activity means we can be assured to hunt down the wicked ones.
I think town have the chance to win either way, if we play it out correctly. If it's a slow ride, then nothing much to do about it. We can't force people to talk.. Unless we treat them like we treated you, meatpizza, and look where that got us... I had you night 1 though.. I had you meatpimp! I tried to call the hounds off, but noone listened to me, even though I was killed.
You are correct though that it is easier to scum hunt if people are being active, because you have more to go from. The same way it's also easier to read people town that way.
Let's just hope the activity picks up. Who knows, we might be riding Turbo soon enough! (Sorry Disney for bringing in Pixar references!)
No harm Jenny, you played a good game.
1. Alright.
2. Alright.
3. Partial agreement! I don't completely agree with having a public good reason for everyone on the MBK (on a note, I will not use this flavour myself). You might want to obscure your reasons so the person in question does not know what his or her tell is.
On August 26 2014 16:51 JennyHell wrote: You said you've read quite a lot of the previous newbie game, but not the first days. Was it someone in particular you were trying to get info on by doing that? Because only 3 of the people from the previous game is currently playing and if you say "Not the first days" dayS, means more than 1 right? I died n1, and meatpicture was lynched d2, so the only one you could possibly have seen that might be benificial for this game is lilwade.
I'd defo urge you to read day 1 and 2 as well, otherwise your dive into the previous game is almost completely fruitless. Just fyi.
I did not dive into them, I just followed the game as it happened(started following when it was about mid-way), when I wanted to find out how does mafia even happen in a forum environment. I will definitely read the first two days later.
On August 26 2014 16:55 MihZaaa wrote: To answer your questions abuse:
Nobody will answer scum and even if they do, a little bit of trolling I don't think is alignment indicative, if anything it gives me more town vibes.
you'd be surprised what you can get from these questions.
Just to be clear - I am a supporter of Lynch all Liars and Lynch all Lurkers, if I do not have a clear scumread on someone by the time it's time to vote. In my mind, there is no real time when a townie lying would benefit town, so I would urge you not to do so, because if I catch you, I will push you. And chances are you will be scum when you flip afterwards. I have also recently played with a very annoying lurker, who just deflected all questions and did not really give any information at all to town. Behavior like this will also be pushed HARD.
Hopefully we get a good town atmosphere going where everyone is open about their thoughts and reads so scum has nowhere to hide. Have fun peeps~
1. Promises, promises.
2. No. Though pushing on this would be your prerogative.
3. Cool.
4. This seems pretty weak in comparison with the earlier part of your post. First you say what you are going to do to liars and lurkers, fair enough. But instead of keeping your post strong and giving possible reads, you then spout some garbage about how you're hoping that everyone will be open and give reads. I'm expecting you to stay strong and give some reads yourself instead of this hopeful garbage.
On August 26 2014 17:02 meatpudding wrote: Same goes for Jenny's MBK list, although I think it's way too early for that. At this point I think anyone could be a wicked one, and I'm not about to start trusting a single person until the day goes on.
I have yet to give a MBK list, because it's way too early. I merely explained what it all meant and suggested that we should all use that format. Don't see what's scummy about that.. Unless you are a dryball that doesn't appreciate bringing fun in to things, which you yourself expressed earlier that you thought it was obligatory that we brought some flavour into this disney game.
Alright. Good point on the flavour call. You seem like a person who would find it fun to keep the flavour up. But why does meatmonster want flavourful posts from everyone? Seems like he quit it real quick once it didn't stick (master of poetry).
On August 26 2014 17:10 abuse wrote: @ meatpudding,
Fair enough - I am town and was hoping for a town power role.
Waiting for your answer to this also.
As for the policies, I have explained my stance a little above. You seem to have a bit little different view on the lynch all liars policy. How I see is, if you get caught lying - not explain it yourself, beforehand, and why you are changing your mind, then it is scummy and you deserve a lynch. Town does not have a reason to lie, without a reason (if you catch my drift). If a lie like that is caught, then this policy would take effect.
There is no reason to have this policy. If the lie is alignment indicative, you should be able to make a case strong enough. There is no need to restrict the town with these garbage rules.
On August 26 2014 17:02 meatpudding wrote: Same goes for Jenny's MBK list, although I think it's way too early for that. At this point I think anyone could be a wicked one, and I'm not about to start trusting a single person until the day goes on.
I have yet to give a MBK list, because it's way too early. I merely explained what it all meant and suggested that we should all use that format. Don't see what's scummy about that.. Unless you are a dryball that doesn't appreciate bringing fun in to things, which you yourself expressed earlier that you thought it was obligatory that we brought some flavour into this disney game.
I agree it is way too early. I'm not objecting to the use of the format, I love it. I think that asking people to give reads so early is meaningless. (Should be obvious)
On August 26 2014 17:10 abuse wrote: @ meatpudding,
Fair enough - I am town and was hoping for a town power role.
Waiting for your answer to this also.
As for the policies, I have explained my stance a little above. You seem to have a bit little different view on the lynch all liars policy. How I see is, if you get caught lying - not explain it yourself, beforehand, and why you are changing your mind, then it is scummy and you deserve a lynch. Town does not have a reason to lie, without a reason (if you catch my drift). If a lie like that is caught, then this policy would take effect.
I'm VT and that's the only role I've played before. I like it.
I guess there is a distinction between a lie told on purpose and a change of opinion.
Let's not get sidetracked with this policy garbage.
On August 26 2014 11:38 JennyHell wrote: May I also suggest that we all give reads in Bang, Marry, Kill format? It's something I started on DailyMafia and will continue here, whether you like it or not ;D
Upon re-reading I think that is what you were trying to say. I thought that you were asking us to give reads right away.
On August 26 2014 17:02 JennyHell wrote: Also, MihZaa, you said you didn't like the disproportion of my amount of posts and how few reads I've given. How many reads do you honestly think is appropriate this early in to the game? How many do you think you could possibly give?
No, not at all. When i said that you had given plenty of reads for how early it was. The disproportion stemmed from the multitude and length of posts and not from too few reads. Again, this is a minor thing though.
What I would like to see is more from lilwade though. He may be asleep right now because I see he lives in the us but I'm interested in the fact that he asked for reads but ultimately did not contribute. I see that as a little scummy as if he's testing the waters with his toe before putting himself at all in the spotlight. I'll wait 10-12 more hours before I form an opinion based on being lurky. Daydreamarine is in the same boat.
In regards to the kill, bang, marry thing I think i'm in a bang jennyhell spot because I liked your reads and because I think you would have been more reluctant to take the microphone so hard day 1 had you been mafia. I'm too young to get married though.
1. Meh.
2. Alright. Decent, directed reads.
3. You want to bang the only female in the thread? Being sexist is scummy!
On August 26 2014 22:26 abuse wrote: So.. anyone else have anything to say, or is everyone asleep? :[
Hi!
On August 26 2014 22:29 Barakos wrote: At work, so i will try to post some thoughts... if you have any questions, ask them, i will answer, when i am at home in ~3h
First of, to get this out of the world (at least I hope so): I didn't mean to attack superbia. I liked the irony and wanted to point it out, because I found it funny. I may be new to forummafia but i wouldn't go as far as calling people scum because of their names. I also could have added some smileys to make the intention behind the post a bit clearer. For what it's worth: 'Barakos' is a name I took out of a Warhammer Fantasy Battlereport, where the author named his Strigoi-Vampirecount 'Barakos' and i've been using the name ever since, so if you want a 'scummy' name... there you got it.
Hope, that will be all, there is left to say about the name-discussion... now for the important stuff:
On Jenny: I think Jenny is playing very similar to the last Newbie-Mafia and trys to get the thread going / is very vocal, so seeing that she was town the last game, I read her as town for now, although i am not very sure, since she stated herself:
On August 26 2014 16:59 JennyHell wrote: Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny.
Still most towny person at the moment.
On Abuse: I didn't like you posting questions before answering them yourself... especially the ones, where you ask for the opinions on lurker- and liar-lynches.. It looks to me, as if you were trying to get yourselft the permission to lurk for a while... granted: you answered your questions when you were asked, still I found this a bit odd and will keep an eye on you.
And to answer your questions:
My alignment is town, but i kinda hoped i would roll mafia. I absolutely hate playing in the dark, so i would have loved to know, who is friend and who is foe. Now i will have to trust my instincts... god help us all!
Lynching a liar is something that is very situation-dependend... like "Did the person lie to protect a powerrole at night?" vs. "Did sb. fakeclaim a powerrole at daytime to get the real powerrole lynched?".
Lynching the lurkers is something I would only resort to, if I had no better scumread on anybody else, since I think it is a quite weak motiv to lynch somebody and chances are high, the lynchee will flip town. That being said: this is my first forumgame, so I haven't really met any really annoying lurkers. Let's just hope, everybody is active in this game, so we can get solid reads.
On the other ones, that have posted so far: There is not much I can read out of your posts so far... mostly due to the fact, that there aren't that many posts to read from.
1. Lore!
2. 87.31% agreement!
3. Alright.
4. Let us clasp hands, dear vampire who's name is Barakos! I shall lead you through the darkness! Though.. don't vampires have darkvision? Gotcha, scum!
5. I have agreed too many times already.
6. Alright.
7. Alright.
On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote: My reason for asking about lynching liars and lurkers served 3 purposes.
1) to get your thoughts out, so people can have a peek into each others brains a little 2) to make sure people were on the same end of the stick as me, when it comes to what constitues a "liar" and what constitues a "lurker". One of the things being - I don't mind lurkers as much if they are just inactive. I do on the other half mind a lurker that is being called out but keeps ignoring questions. I have had this happen in another game and it is very annoying and I will not tolerate this. 3) See how people react to the policies, as well as what alignments would they prefer to play. While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.(for example, compare your answer of the first question to MihZaaa) Later down the game you can use this as a tool to see if they match it or not.
I really do not have a problem with answering these questions myself, but how often do you really see people asking questions to others while answering them themselves at first? It also served a double purpose, to see who would call me out on it and how soon would it happen. Happened pretty soon, which is good.
Is everyone else really sleeping at the moment? we have only done 2 pages of in-game content in the first... many hours, and the previous newbie game had 30 pages in 1 day, let's step it up! All in all @Barakos, I like what you're saying. Hopefully this level of openness will stick to everyone here.
1. This is too early. Not everyone has answered yet, why reveal this already?
2. Fair, but answer the questions.
3. Alright.
Where the fuck is the promised day 1-2 read from the previous game?!
On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote: Correction - in Day 1, not in 1 Day.
Scumslip! Got'em!
On August 27 2014 00:21 MihZaaa wrote: I guess we'll have to be the ones filling those 30 pages for now.
While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.
[u]I feel like that question has more use in a less controlled environment like irl Mafia. Right now it generated answers like "My alignment is town" and I'm vt. Not much to go off. I do like the second question a lot more though. It still feels a bit like focusing on others so you can throw scum on townies that maybe aren't being seen as town yet rather than a genuine gathering of information with the purpose of finding mafia.
[u]In regards to your answers to your own question. Like, I said I also like being a power role and I said why but you explicitly mentioned that you want it to be a town power role. Can you elaborate why you prefer town power roles.
I like a lot that Barakos logged in from work to pitch in. I think it's less likely that mafia would bother to do that especially when nobody is being put on the spot right now which is when you will see mafia push on them more and be active.
I feel like things will pick up a bit as soon as we can start to get a read on lilwade and daydreamarine as well.
1. Anything is better than nothing, still.
2. Decent push.
3. Meh, that kind of thing can never be confirmed.
Alright, I'm ready to make a small town circle and mafia circle already!
I would like to welcome the follow people to my town circle: - JennyHell - Barakos
I would like to lynch the following people: - Breshke - abuse (borderline)
Also, I would like to see the following:
Everyone: Town circle with at least 1 person. Mafia circle with at least 1 person.
daydreamarine: SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL
lilwade: SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL
gobbledydook: SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL
Breshke: Your promised reads.
abuse: Your promised previous game read.
That being said, let's get this ball rolling!
##Vote: Breshke
Bresh, so far all you've given is excuses and a promise of reads. Bresh, I want to see your opinions and I want to see you being proactive. Specifically, what is your opinion on MihZaaa and Barakos?
Evening, my dears. Let's have a lil chat, shall we?
I'll start with responding to this:
On August 27 2014 01:39 Superbia wrote: Also I want Jenny to explain herself on the MeatPush (very top of post).
Ok, so.. Since there are some of you that have expressed concern for my "push" on meatpope, I have now gone back to the old thread to give you an example of what kind of post I'm used to seeing from meatpoke.
Example 1.) This is his first post in the thread. The game started July 29 2014 15:20. and his absolutely first post came in July 30 2014 11:09.
On July 30 2014 19:09 meatpudding wrote: Hey guys. Anyone still here? I'm going to look through the thread.
As you can see, no flavour, no nothing. Not at all the same kind of opening as he did this game. Which is why it caught my eyes. And I wanted to let everyone know that he doesn't seem the same as last game.. Why? Ask him, not me. But here's my 2 cents.
The reason might have been because he entered so late in the game so we've already come to the serious part of day 1, so there was no opportunity for him to add flavour. Although, if you ask me, I'd probably add flavour either way. People have been known to call me "Flavour Flav" after all.
Or, he might just be scum, wanting to hide among the flavour of everyone else.
The fact that it was different than his last game still stands. It was different, so I'm going to keep my eyes on meatproduce. It's really not that difficult to understand, is it?
On August 26 2014 22:29 Barakos wrote: On Jenny: I think Jenny is playing very similar to the last Newbie-Mafia and trys to get the thread going / is very vocal, so seeing that she was town the last game, I read her as town for now, although i am not very sure, since she stated herself:
On August 26 2014 16:59 JennyHell wrote: Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny.
Still most towny person at the moment.
It's healthy to be suspicious of everyone. One should never be treated as a "confirmed" unless they actually are 100% confirmed. At least that's my motto and I try to make everyone adapt the same kind of mindset.
Besides, who wouldn't try to appear town as mafia, amirite? It's in the basics of the game really, otherwise they may as well just concede and be done with.
On August 27 2014 01:39 Superbia wrote: Also I want Jenny to explain herself on the MeatPush (very top of post).
Ok, so.. Since there are some of you that have expressed concern for my "push" on meatpope, I have now gone back to the old thread to give you an example of what kind of post I'm used to seeing from meatpoke.
Example 1.) This is his first post in the thread. The game started July 29 2014 15:20. and his absolutely first post came in July 30 2014 11:09.
On July 30 2014 19:09 meatpudding wrote: Hey guys. Anyone still here? I'm going to look through the thread.
As you can see, no flavour, no nothing. Not at all the same kind of opening as he did this game. Which is why it caught my eyes. And I wanted to let everyone know that he doesn't seem the same as last game.. Why? Ask him, not me. But here's my 2 cents.
The reason might have been because he entered so late in the game so we've already come to the serious part of day 1, so there was no opportunity for him to add flavour. Although, if you ask me, I'd probably add flavour either way. People have been known to call me "Flavour Flav" after all.
Or, he might just be scum, wanting to hide among the flavour of everyone else.
The fact that it was different than his last game still stands. It was different, so I'm going to keep my eyes on meatproduce. It's really not that difficult to understand, is it?
Good, that's what I thought, and why you are a fellow townie, for now.
Another thing I'd like to specify is what I mean whenever I say I was "too towny".
Last game was my first forum mafia game, and it kind of came as a shock to me how seriously I took it, how invested I was in it and when I was dead I was still following it closely, trying to solve the puzzle, almost ripping my hair out of my head from the frustration of not being able to voice my opinion and help the town on their way to victory.
Therefore, according to me, I was too towny. Too many people read me as town and mafia decided to get rid of me. Yes, I agree that taking a rolebullet as VT is a good thing, but I just really really really wanted to play!
On August 27 2014 02:42 JennyHell wrote: Another thing I'd like to specify is what I mean whenever I say I was "too towny".
Last game was my first forum mafia game, and it kind of came as a shock to me how seriously I took it, how invested I was in it and when I was dead I was still following it closely, trying to solve the puzzle, almost ripping my hair out of my head from the frustration of not being able to voice my opinion and help the town on their way to victory.
Therefore, according to me, I was too towny. Too many people read me as town and mafia decided to get rid of me. Yes, I agree that taking a rolebullet as VT is a good thing, but I just really really really wanted to play!
I hope that explains it a bit better.
That's fine, but keep in mind that the goal is for town to win. If dying means that town wins, then you die.
Jenny, since you're around, what's your opinion on lilwade. From what I gather you have played with him before. He has not done anything yet. Is this normal? Also, what other people have you played with before?
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Alright, I'm ready to make a small town circle and mafia circle already!
I would like to welcome the follow people to my town circle: - JennyHell - Barakos
I would like to lynch the following people: - Breshke - abuse (borderline)
I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle.
The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse. Care to explain that?
On August 27 2014 02:44 Superbia wrote: Jenny, since you're around, what's your opinion on lilwade. From what I gather you have played with him before. He has not done anything yet. Is this normal? Also, what other people have you played with before?
People from the last game that is currently playing this game is lilwade, meatpackage and myself.
Last game I read lilwade really scummy because he was just like this. He popped in with a single liner every now and then but nothing really to read him from. I was wrong on him. He turned out to be very valuable for town later on in the game. But his activity was never really high.
On August 27 2014 02:42 JennyHell wrote: Another thing I'd like to specify is what I mean whenever I say I was "too towny".
Last game was my first forum mafia game, and it kind of came as a shock to me how seriously I took it, how invested I was in it and when I was dead I was still following it closely, trying to solve the puzzle, almost ripping my hair out of my head from the frustration of not being able to voice my opinion and help the town on their way to victory.
Therefore, according to me, I was too towny. Too many people read me as town and mafia decided to get rid of me. Yes, I agree that taking a rolebullet as VT is a good thing, but I just really really really wanted to play!
I hope that explains it a bit better.
That's fine, but keep in mind that the goal is for town to win. If dying means that town wins, then you die.
But.. But... There's so many other succulent townies the evil wolfies can chew.
It's like that kids story about the 3 goats. Each and every one of them saying to the troll "oh no no, don't eat me, eat the one after me. He's much bigger and tastier than me."
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Alright, I'm ready to make a small town circle and mafia circle already!
I would like to welcome the follow people to my town circle: - JennyHell - Barakos
I would like to lynch the following people: - Breshke - abuse (borderline)
I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle.
The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse. Care to explain that?
Yeah, it doesn't fully correspond to my actual +/- list. I liked MihZaaa's last few posts (he actually contributed, unlike most others) and decided to replace his initial place in my mafia circle with abuse. Furthermore, I had a case lined up against MihZaaa before based on what I thought was a contradiction: it seemed like he was saying he wanted to lynch or at least look at lurkers (post #135), even though he said he didn't like to lynch lurkers (post #125). But on review (triggered by post #141 which he made during the construction my post) it seemed like he was instead withholding his opinion on them until they post something substantial. Due to this revelation, his activity, and the fact that most of my case was based on something which turned out to be a misunderstanding, I decided to keep him neutral for now.
Oh god superbia, what an abomination of a post... no wonder, you have been silent for 12 hours!
Nice you put that much work into the game... although the readability is suffering quite hard... i had to copy your stuff into a extra editor to try and filter it through... maybe next time split it up into several little ones? Pretty please?
But there are three points, I would like to ask you about... first of all our Man of Plenty names...
How do you read what meatpudding said about looking into Jennys heart to see her true alignment as a cop-softclaim? I mean... I can see how you could come to this conclusion, but to me this all sounds in line with the fluff the whole post was written in. So this seems a little far fetched. To be honest I find it pretty suspicious to talk people into (soft-)roleclaims before the first End of Day... feels like putting a crosshair on their back for the first night and the last thing I would want to do is make scums job of powerrole-hunting any easier. Maybe you might want to be a bit more careful with such conclusions? Unless of course I am missing sth... please guide me through the darkness, good fairy!
Next thing is your vote on Breshke. While I get, that this vote might simply be a leverage to get him to talk... why exactly him? If I had to vote at this point to get somebody to participate, I would put it on Daydreamarine, gobbledydook or lilwade, since those didn't really post anything. Breshke at least promised some reads and seeing he is from Australia you got to take the timezones into consideration... maybe he is just asleep and before he went offline, there were not really that many posts you could use to read people. Same goes for meatpudding.
Last thing would be Mihzaa vs. abuse Mihzaa scored -1 on your list, while abuse was at -0.5 yet still abuse is on your lynch-list, while Mihzaa isn't. Is there any read you have not given yet?
And since I got some questions for you, here are the answers to your request:
Towncircle: JennyHell (still in there, although she has been very quiet after her strong start, this judgement might also be a bit influenced by her strong towngame in the earlier mafia) almost towncircle, but didn't quite make the cut: Superbia I really liked the effort, you put into your post but after reading it the first time, I found it to be quite empty, since about 66.67% of it are agreements to statements others did, 16.67% are comments like "cool", "get a room", etc... and only the remaining part is your own opinion. But you seem comfortable in your opinion and I am looking forward to your answers. Mafia: none yet For me it is too early to have strong mafia-reads but I really need to hear stuff from lilwade, gobbledydook and daydreamarine
On August 27 2014 03:09 Barakos wrote: ... my post was too long.
Ha!
To reiterate for further questions: my public +/- doesn't fully correspond to my private one. Honestly, I spend way too much time in that post and I was getting pretty tired. I don't think I'll do many more of those. The readability sucks in retrospect. The numbers were supposed to correspond to the underlined text, but what usually happened was the entire post would be underlined, because I was responding to every part individually. Oh well.
MihZaaa is currently at -0.5 (he got a +0.5 for some of his reads), abuse is also at -0.5 and Breshke is currently at -1. I don't want to keep giving numbers to everything in public because it's a pain in the ass (I want to mask some of my reads).
Some general questions: - Is it possible to see who read what post? - Is it allowed to post links to excel files if you feel like you're going to die?
Eh, the soft claim may or may not be true. It just means I probably don't want to lynch him day 1 unless some dirty shit comes up. I also don't really think I'm helping mafia here, it really could mean anything, like you pointed out, but if it eases your mind I'll stop pointing shit like that out.
I don't want to elaborate too much on bresh at the moment until he starts talking.
On August 27 2014 03:06 Barakos wrote: Towncircle: JennyHell (still in there, although she has been very quiet after her strong start, this judgement might also be a bit influenced by her strong towngame in the earlier mafia)
I do come off rather strong at times, I agree. It's my new thing I discovered since I started playing forum mafia. How would you say you usually come off when playing forum mafia? Just curious.
As further notes, I have a really REALLY messed up sleeping schedule. I have things to do in the days, like applying for jobs, going to interviews and things. And then I sleep rather early, so I can go up and play games and socialize with americans in the early morning for me.
Last night for example I went to bed at 21:00 my time, woke up at 3:30 and enjoyed my time with americans until around 12:00 where I got ready to go for an interview, came back took a nap, woke up not long ago again and here we are, in the kitchen, looking into the fridge to figure out what to have for dinner before I go to sleep again at around 21-22.
I have an important role as a banshee to perform in the morning together with my fellow d&d players.
On August 27 2014 03:25 JennyHell wrote: I do come off rather strong at times, I agree. It's my new thing I discovered since I started playing forum mafia. How would you say you usually come off when playing forum mafia? Just curious.
I think I already mentioned it in my first larger post but here again and in a bit more detail: This is my first game of forum mafia and I haven't played mafia in a good amount of years. We had a quite big group of live-mafia-players back in the day, when I still went to school but as it goes with everything, if you go to school in a smaller city... people spread out to go to university / do their required military service or get jobs in other cities, so we stopped playing. Few weeks ago i stumbled over the Mafia-section of this forum, got interested, lurked in some games and got more interested, and now - her i am.
On August 27 2014 03:25 JennyHell wrote: I do come off rather strong at times, I agree. It's my new thing I discovered since I started playing forum mafia. How would you say you usually come off when playing forum mafia? Just curious.
I think I already mentioned it in my first larger post but here again and in a bit more detail: This is my first game of forum mafia and I haven't played mafia in a good amount of years. We had a quite big group of live-mafia-players back in the day, when I still went to school but as it goes with everything, if you go to school in a smaller city... people spread out to go to university / do their required military service or get jobs in other cities, so we stopped playing. Few weeks ago i stumbled over the Mafia-section of this forum, got interested, lurked in some games and got more interested, and now - her i am.
Fair enough, welcome back to the world of mafia games!
To preface this a little: I am expect this post will be a bit lengthy so if there's anything you will have answered by the time I post then don't feel obligated to repeat.
Superbia
I liked your big post more than the Barakos does even though a lot of reads were "Alright!" which I thought didn't add anything. As such I will mostly talk about the things you attributed points to.
2. Soft claiming cop? Alright. +1
I didn't like that you said this at all. I don't see why town would bring up what might have been a major slip-up from cop. Seems like you're making sure who to kill in the night and considering you gave him a tasty +1 for pretty much nothing it seems like you're trying to pocket him.
In all serious seriousness, slight mafia read here (will elaborate on the read if I see a trend). -0.5
I didn't read this as scummy necessarily so I'm looking forward to what your read was when you feel it has taken enough shape.
3. Don't like this, feels like a preface for possible shitty (i.e. scummy) play. -0.5
I started reeling you back into town for this one. I agree. At this point you're still leaning mafia to me.
3. Baaaah!
I assume this rather rude reaction means you think I'm sheeping? It's my first forum mafia game so I'm not familiar with the lingo yet. I think this would have been a valid criticism considering I didn't elaborate too much on my read had it not been really early in the game where expecting such detailed explanations is high hopes at best. Maybe i misinterpret the baa h though. I would like clarification.
1. Nothing is better than anything! Or wait! No! Anything is better than nothing! Right?! (Let the princess do his thing, the more interactions the better!)
Aside from how condescending it felt I also feel like you're setting up a bit of a strawman. It's only that one question that I had a problem with not his attempt (successful attempt, i might add) to spark conversation.
2. And here I thought I was prideful! Wanting a power role so it's easier not to die during lynches. Preface for garbage excuse during said lynch? -0.5
I don't like that you attributed negative points to something you expect to happen but hasn't happened yet IE garbage excuses from me during a lynch.
Can you be a bit more proactive?
I liked this a lot! Good request.
Let's not get sidetracked with this policy garbage.
More town points for you!
Yeah, it doesn't fully correspond to my actual +/- list. I liked MihZaaa's last few posts (he actually contributed, unlike most others) and decided to replace his initial place in my mafia circle with abuse. Furthermore, I had a case lined up against MihZaaa before based on what I thought was a contradiction: it seemed like he was saying he wanted to lynch or at least look at lurkers (post #135), even though he said he didn't like to lynch lurkers (post #125). But on review (triggered by post #141 which he made during the construction my post) it seemed like he was instead withholding his opinion on them until they post something substantial. Due to this revelation, his activity, and the fact that most of my case was based on something which turned out to be a misunderstanding, I decided to keep him neutral for now.
I can see how that might have been seen as contradictory. Won't waste much time on this but I think mafia would have sinked their teeth in this asap and more importantly wouldn't have reconsidered it with such detailed reasoning. More town points to you.
Will give a in a few hours but right now I'm seeing Barakos as top town.
This will not help the game but it's important to me.+ Show Spoiler +
I don't know if you were totally joking with the sexism thing but it's serious enough business for me to address. It didn't immediately come to mind that JennyHell was a girl(I feel a bit stupid that you had to point it out to me). I had the name Miranda in cs 1.6 for a long time mostly because I like the name so much even though I'm a guy. The fact that it came off sexist is bad and i'm sorry, jenny saw it the same way Superbia did.
Forgot to say this but great effort with the long post you made Superbia. Your "abomination" was certainly much more useful than daydreamingmarine's was.
Thanks, I guess. But let's see, if we can lead this thread into a more productive direction...
On August 27 2014 03:21 Superbia wrote: Eh, the soft claim may or may not be true. It just means I probably don't want to lynch him day 1 unless some dirty shit comes up. I also don't really think I'm helping mafia here, it really could mean anything, like you pointed out, but if it eases your mind I'll stop pointing shit like that out.
I don't want to elaborate too much on bresh at the moment until he starts talking.
Fine with me, if you don't want to talk about Breshke right now. But I'll come back to this point some point into the game, if it is still important by the time, Breshke answers.
Mind to talk a little about abuse? From your giant post I get, that you also didn't like the way he brought the discussion about policies into the thread. Are you with me, when i say that it looks kind of scummy and seems like he is trying to find out, if it is ok to lurk? Or do you think there is the possibility I am overreading things and he just made it sound a little weird?
Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there.
I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet.
I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
On August 27 2014 04:17 Barakos wrote: Mind to talk a little about abuse? From your giant post I get, that you also didn't like the way he brought the discussion about policies into the thread. Are you with me, when i say that it looks kind of scummy and seems like he is trying to find out, if it is ok to lurk? Or do you think there is the possibility I am overreading things and he just made it sound a little weird?
I really think this is a little silly, since I already mentioned many times that I plan to be vocal in this game, I also mentioned that I have had a game with a very annoying lurker, so I will push lurkers. Seems like a waste of time, and a waste of a discussion to think if I plan to lurk or not, since you can just see it later, and punish that. The same way I plan to (Do take note that I find lurking to be something slightly different than you - lurking in my book is when someone does not reply to your questions or does not reply with an actual answer.)
I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle.
The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse. Care to explain that?
Paying close attention to potential slip-ups is really towny I feel. Barakos did the same thing and Superbia did it to me and this is pretty much my town circle right now.
What bothers me is that the people I read as scummy have either not spoken lately or have barely spoken. I wouldn't like this to be a wasted lynch where we end up just lynching for inactivity but it seems that's the direction we're heading to.
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you.
I like this a lot because I think things got a little heavy. I am guilty of being aggressive at times and i think it's a good policy to push but not harass and to inquire but not interrogate. I'm happy none of the negative stuff didn't happen yet though.
With classes starting getting anywhere is a huge pain but, Here is my perspective from the last 12 hours.
1) Jenny you have started strong again but apart from last game you have come off way stronger this time around, maybe overcompensating to try to appear like you start every game the same, I am not sure. you are probably on my bang list for now, you know how I hate to commit to marry. What are your thoughts on MihZaaa?
2) Superbia despite your post that was longer than my last college paper I feel you are doing your best to seek out scum and test the waters and I think no mafia would have gone to lengths to provide what you did albeit in a poorly formatted manner. For the most part I think your genuine, but I still have my doubts on the quality of your reads.
3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse?
4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated?
5) abuse I think that every mafia game we have atleast 1 person (you), to start of the game with classic reaction questions and I like it tbh, Myself you can call me Town Hero for I will seek out scum so none of our beautiful princesses have to die. I was hoping to get a character that I could add a lot of flavor with but I was unfamiliar with how to go about it.
As for my thoughts on you I think you are spending a little to much time defending rather than advancing and I do not like that. What can you bring to the table that will get the game on the right track aside from your first post.
Anyone I didnt mention was not worth mentioning and you need to be worried about that because I will be waiting to hear from you.
On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote: To preface this a little: I am expect this post will be a bit lengthy so if there's anything you will have answered by the time I post then don't feel obligated to repeat.
Superbia
I liked your big post more than the Barakos does even though a lot of reads were "Alright!" which I thought didn't add anything. As such I will mostly talk about the things you attributed points to.
I didn't like that you said this at all. I don't see why town would bring up what might have been a major slip-up from cop. Seems like you're making sure who to kill in the night and considering you gave him a tasty +1 for pretty much nothing it seems like you're trying to pocket him.
In all honesty, I feel like a cop would never soft-claim like this. I also don't think a mafia would ever blatantly soft-claim like this (if it was a soft claim to begin with, would love to hear from MeatComputer)
I assume this rather rude reaction means you think I'm sheeping? It's my first forum mafia game so I'm not familiar with the lingo yet. I think this would have been a valid criticism considering I didn't elaborate too much on my read had it not been really early in the game where expecting such detailed explanations is high hopes at best. Maybe i misinterpret the baa h though. I would like clarification.
Yeah, it was sheeping in my eyes. Those were the exact reads given before.
1. Nothing is better than anything! Or wait! No! Anything is better than nothing! Right?! (Let the princess do his thing, the more interactions the better!)
Aside from how condescending it felt I also feel like you're setting up a bit of a strawman. It's only that one question that I had a problem with not his attempt (successful attempt, i might add) to spark conversation.
Not condescending! I just like to joke around, especially if I'm making a fucking huge post. Keeps it fresh. My point is that although the three general questions were kind of "meh", nothing is better than anything.
2. And here I thought I was prideful! Wanting a power role so it's easier not to die during lynches. Preface for garbage excuse during said lynch? -0.5
I don't like that you attributed negative points to something you expect to happen but hasn't happened yet IE garbage excuses from me during a lynch.
I'm sorry, but this post evened out the score! You're up in points again.
On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:Will give a in a few hours but right now I'm seeing Barakos as top town.
I agreeantly agree.
On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:This will not help the game but it's important to me.+ Show Spoiler +
I don't know if you were totally joking with the sexism thing but it's serious enough business for me to address. It didn't immediately come to mind that JennyHell was a girl(I feel a bit stupid that you had to point it out to me). I had the name Miranda in cs 1.6 for a long time mostly because I like the name so much even though I'm a guy. The fact that it came off sexist is bad and i'm sorry, jenny saw it the same way Superbia did.
Ha! Don't worry about! (worry about it!) It was a mere jest.
I like you MihZaaa! You're well on your way into my town circle, which means the others are surely envious of you!
On August 27 2014 04:13 MihZaaa wrote: Forgot to say this but great effort with the long post you made Superbia. Your "abomination" was certainly much more useful than daydreamingmarine's was.
I think he wanted to point out, that you putting that much effort in your post is way more constructive as daydreamarine not posting anything at all up until now.
On August 27 2014 03:21 Superbia wrote: Eh, the soft claim may or may not be true. It just means I probably don't want to lynch him day 1 unless some dirty shit comes up. I also don't really think I'm helping mafia here, it really could mean anything, like you pointed out, but if it eases your mind I'll stop pointing shit like that out.
I don't want to elaborate too much on bresh at the moment until he starts talking.
Fine with me, if you don't want to talk about Breshke right now. But I'll come back to this point some point into the game, if it is still important by the time, Breshke answers.
Mind to talk a little about abuse? From your giant post I get, that you also didn't like the way he brought the discussion about policies into the thread. Are you with me, when i say that it looks kind of scummy and seems like he is trying to find out, if it is ok to lurk? Or do you think there is the possibility I am overreading things and he just made it sound a little weird?[/QUOTE]
Honestly? I was just looking to push on a second person on whom I had a slightly scummy read, and I think we got 'em town! Post on abuse coming up!
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4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated?
Both are in the no lynch zone for me. In regards to jenny overcompensating I'm not sure and I won't give it much thought day 1 because, mafia or town, I'm ok with people talking. Superbia's post I read as town motivated but it's his switch on his read that made me see him as town. I gathered that you saw them as town too so that's not really helpful. What do you think of abuse and meatpump?
You still haven't told me why you asked for Jenny's thoughts so early on. Like I said it felt like testing the waters and I read it as scummy.
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later.
Alright, so you're making an easy promise because according to post #167, you aren't actually going to do shit with the information in a way that's positive for town. Sounds like a good excuse for a time sink (I didn't do anything because I was studying the other thread!).
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.)
As I've said before, this can definitely be seen as a preface for scummy play. Why would you tell us what your playstyle is? How useful is this for town? It sounds like something you can fall back on when you've made a bad (i.e. scummy) play.
On August 26 2014 17:06 abuse wrote: In my mind, there is no real time when a townie lying would benefit town, so I would urge you not to do so, because if I catch you, I will push you. And chances are you will be scum when you flip afterwards. I have also recently played with a very annoying lurker, who just deflected all questions and did not really give any information at all to town. Behavior like this will also be pushed HARD.
Hopefully we get a good town atmosphere going where everyone is open about their thoughts and reads so scum has nowhere to hide. Have fun peeps~
Sounds like a preface for getting easy miss-lynches and blaming it on lying/lurking. Lynch all lurkers is "ok". Lynch all liars is garbage. I already fucking lied (gave misinformation about my points), where's the HARD push, huh?
On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote: My reason for asking about lynching liars and lurkers served 3 purposes.
1) to get your thoughts out, so people can have a peek into each others brains a little 2) to make sure people were on the same end of the stick as me, when it comes to what constitues a "liar" and what constitues a "lurker". One of the things being - I don't mind lurkers as much if they are just inactive. I do on the other half mind a lurker that is being called out but keeps ignoring questions. I have had this happen in another game and it is very annoying and I will not tolerate this. 3) See how people react to the policies, as well as what alignments would they prefer to play. While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.(for example, compare your answer of the first question to MihZaaa) Later down the game you can use this as a tool to see if they match it or not.
Why reveal this? And why so early? This makes no sense as town. You should at least wait until everyone has answered the questions. And on that note, despite requests, abuse still hasn't answered all of them.
Furthermore, to me, this makes it feel like there is much more substance behind the questions than there actually is. Don't get me wrong, I kind of liked the question behind lynching liars and lurkers, but it could also be used to distract town and eat time. The real question is: what have you gotten from the answers and how does it contribute to town?
On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote:I really do not have a problem with answering these questions myself, but how often do you really see people asking questions to others while answering them themselves at first? It also served a double purpose, to see who would call me out on it and how soon would it happen. Happened pretty soon, which is good.
What use is it to look out for who calls him out for it? Is it alignment indicative? Hint: the answer is no.
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet.
What? There's plenty to read (alright, not that much, but what?). I gave no reads in return? Did you even read my post? Or are you not interested in what town has to say? Red flag right here. Also, you didn't ask any reads from anyone yet, so it's okay not to provide any of your own? Not asking people shit is a bad sign, by the way.
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
Another part that makes it blatantly obvious that you only skimmed over my post. Did you just crtl+f "scum" or something?
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
How do I "rush too much"? You mean giving opinions and reads? Are you not happy that I'm giving a shitload of data (not all of it being good, granted), even though you complained about "no people being around".
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
How the fuck do you claim that there are no real reads, but still get townie vibes from people? You got a different kind of information source than me (i.e. know who is town)? Exact opposite from me? Again, didn't even read my fucking town circle.
Furthermore, after all the interactions that happened, you have no reads? What the fuck?
On August 27 2014 05:00 lilwade wrote: 3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse?
Welcome to the discussion, lilwade! About time, i might add.
First about that abomination-part, since it is the easiest thing to answer: I didn't want to discredit superbia for putting as much effort in his post as he did. What I wanted to express was, that his post is absolutely huge and doesn't look pretty... just like the abominations in warcraft 3.
I disliked several points in superbias post, which i already pointed out and he answered already to my concerns. Did you actually read, what I had to say about it? The thing I found most scummy was him trying to put a soft-copclaim to meatpudding for something that in my eyes was absolutely no claim at all. But his answers and - again - the huge effort behind his post make him look more towny than scummy in my eyes, which brings me directly to your next question... who should we persue?
This is a hard one. My current feeling is, that i don't like the four guys who haven't posted anything meaningfull at all, which are Breshke, meatpudding, gobbledydook and daydreamarine but I think we should not persue them quite yet... three of them are australians (MP, Breshke and gobbledydook), which leaves only daydreamarine looking kind of suspicious, since he is in my timezone and should have had plenty of time to read at least something. But again... I don't want to pursue someone yet for not posting anything at all... there are still 29 hours of D1 left for them to make their entrance.
So with Jenny being in my town and Superbia being close to being in my town this leaves you, abuse and mihzaaa as possible D1 lynches.
Your post seems towny to me. You gave lots of reads and spoke out your opinion on several topics that were discussed earlier, which is good, but at the same time asked questions about a whole bunch of people. This can be attributed to you reading the whole thread and just gathering your thoughts but it could also be you trying to find something on some townie that will stick. So I haven't made up my mind on you yet.
I think I also made clear in an earlier post, that i got some reservations towards abuse, of which I am not quite sure, whether they are just a wrong feeling about him on my side caused by our different understanding of what a lurker is or if they are substantiated.
Mihzaaaa - i got a hard time reading him. I will have to look closer at his filter to make up my mind. Right now i get a feeling, that he could be town. Mainly based on the big post he made to comment on Superbias post, in which he pointed out where he agreed with superbia and where he disagreed and gave a general insight in his thoughtprocess. Also i like this sentence a lot:
I like this a lot because I think things got a little heavy. I am guilty of being aggressive at times and i think it's a good policy to push but not harass and to inquire but not interrogate.
Nothing is worse than a thread full of people shouting and flaming each other...
On August 27 2014 05:00 lilwade wrote: With classes starting getting anywhere is a huge pain but, Here is my perspective from the last 12 hours.
1) Jenny you have started strong again but apart from last game you have come off way stronger this time around, maybe overcompensating to try to appear like you start every game the same, I am not sure. you are probably on my bang list for now, you know how I hate to commit to marry. What are your thoughts on MihZaaa?
2) Superbia despite your post that was longer than my last college paper I feel you are doing your best to seek out scum and test the waters and I think no mafia would have gone to lengths to provide what you did albeit in a poorly formatted manner. For the most part I think your genuine, but I still have my doubts on the quality of your reads.
3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse?
4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated?
5) abuse I think that every mafia game we have atleast 1 person (you), to start of the game with classic reaction questions and I like it tbh, Myself you can call me Town Hero for I will seek out scum so none of our beautiful princesses have to die. I was hoping to get a character that I could add a lot of flavor with but I was unfamiliar with how to go about it.
As for my thoughts on you I think you are spending a little to much time defending rather than advancing and I do not like that. What can you bring to the table that will get the game on the right track aside from your first post.
Anyone I didnt mention was not worth mentioning and you need to be worried about that because I will be waiting to hear from you.
Okay, last post before I head to bed! You want me to address my thoughts on MihZaa. See, he's currently the one I'm the most on the fence with, aka don't know where I should put him. I'll show you a few pointers of why I don't fully see him as town, and you'll see that even though he's not towny enough for me, yet, it's all rather minor so not a full mafia read either. But you know what they say.. Many small brooks make a strong river.
It started with this:
You're being active a lot and that's great for reads but when you said that you were killed night 1 for being to towny I immediately thought why would he put himself out there so much once more. Wouldn't he be a little more lurky at least day one? (not necessarily completely silent but it's undeniable that the attention is on you right now).
Why would I change anything I'm doing? If I am town, great, because then people see I am town. If I am mafia I would want to hide that I am, right? So in both occasions nothing would change my general demeanor and the way I put myself out there.
The very same post he also brought up something about a disproportion in my posts. I took it as though he thought my posts were lengthy but didn't give many reads. Which I thought was weird, why would I be able to give a lot of reads so early in to the game?
I asked him about it, and he corrected me, saying he meant that he thought I had too much to give. But he also avoided my questions to him.
On August 26 2014 17:02 JennyHell wrote: Also, MihZaa, you said you didn't like the disproportion of my amount of posts and how few reads I've given. How many reads do you honestly think is appropriate this early in to the game? How many do you think you could possibly give?
I don't read too much in to these two situations, since they're minor things that just made me perk my ears a little.
It continued with his reaction to abuse's questions. I agree that there are better questions one could have asked. But I saw nothing wrong in asking them. It didn't feel like it was necessarily indicative of any alignment.
It still feels a bit like focusing on others so you can throw scum on townies that maybe aren't being seen as town yet rather than a genuine gathering of information with the purpose of finding mafia.
Then he, in the same post, said this:
I like a lot that Barakos logged in from work to pitch in. I think it's less likely that mafia would bother to do that especially when nobody is being put on the spot right now which is when you will see mafia push on them more and be active.
I think it's quite the opposite. Mafia wants to not appear scum and if he can get some easy town points by making a post from work while he's on his break or similar, I don't see why mafia wouldn't.
This could just be a difference in opinions though, so it doesn't really make me think either way of MihZaaaa.
He then had his lengthy post where he seemed extremely defensive, but he brought up some good parts as well that I can agree on. But the general feel I got from his lengthy post was that all the commented on was things that was about him, concerned him or was good for his play, which to me felt scummy.
The sexism thing was obviously a joke, and he shouldn't feel the least bad about it. (Just wanted to add, in case he was actually worried.)
And then he commented on a post I made about the +1-1 and Mihzaa not being in the final reads of that post.
I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle.
The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse. Care to explain that?
Paying close attention to potential slip-ups is really towny I feel. Barakos did the same thing and Superbia did it to me and this is pretty much my town circle right now.
So he says his town circle is Barakos, Superbia, Himself and I'm assuming me, since he was commenting on my post about the math mistake at the end there.
Following it up with a response to lilwade asking about me and superbia, and this is very minor but he, instead of saying what he said in previous post that we are in his towncircle, he decides to phrase it as a "no lynch zone", which felt a bit off. So it's not so much what he said, more how he said it.
On August 27 2014 05:51 MihZaaa wrote: Both are in the no lynch zone for me. In regards to jenny overcompensating I'm not sure and I won't give it much thought day 1 because, mafia or town, I'm ok with people talking. Superbia's post I read as town motivated but it's his switch on his read that made me see him as town.
All in all, I feel very confused and flip floppy about my read on MihZaaaa, which is why I'm on the fence about him. At one moment he makes me feel like he's trying to push town agenda, the other moment he phrases something oddly and it feels scummy. I'll filter dive him tomorrow again, after a good nights rest, to see if maybe I just needed to sleep on it to get a general idea of where he is.
Ill go to sleep now but before I go I'll leave some thoughts.
From least scummy to most.
Barakos Superbia and JennyHell Abuse
People who haven't contributed enough: Lilwade Meatpudding Breshke Gobbledydook and Daydreamarine
With lilwade contributing the most out of those 5.
Out of the people I have gotten reads on I would lynch abuse the most but he's been much more useful to the town than the lurkers so I can't be happy with lynching him.
I do think that the vote on abuse is still a little early and I'm not sure where I stand on Superbia already voting on 2 people in less than 24 hours.
Every possible setup included 2 mafia so I would have liked to have a general idea of 2 scummy people by now but the scarcity of contribution does not allow me to do that.
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Gool morning everyone! I've tried to collate my thoughts as coherently as possible. Please ask away if you have any questions. I'll check back throughout the day and I'll answer when I can. Here we go with how I'm feeling right now with the activity we have had so far:
MihZaaa
I like that you're being cautious on Jenny. That reads town to me. What do you think about lynch all lurkers now that the day has progressed some? I'm not reading into any activity levels as alignment indicative especially when just over half the players have posted anything. Your reads on Superbia are more or less what I was thinking. I'm not sure if you decided to scum read him or if you are neutral, care to elaborate?
Barakos
You're paying attention which is good.
Calling out Superbia's claim that I claimed is important. It's probably the most alignment indicative moment so far (for Superbia). But off he is doing a lot of work to be productive. Your thoughts on Superbia are acceptable. +1
abuse
Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far.
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: @ Suburbia,
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I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
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Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up.
Superbia
Your first epic was a bit hard to read, with so many jokes and serious comments I wasn't sure if I could hold you to anything you said there. The comment about the soft claim by me? Wicked. You said yourself that you have private reads, so if you thought that I don't see why posting it would help the town. I like your tentative read on Jenny, I am being careful to side with her too soon. Pushing me to be more proactive? Good. Did you miss the part where abuse said his alignment and that he supports lynch all rulers and liars?
On August 27 2014 05:07 Superbia wrote:
In all honesty, I feel like a cop would never soft-claim like this. I also don't think a mafia would ever blatantly soft-claim like this (if it was a soft claim to begin with, would love to hear from MeatComputer)
I already revealed my role so why are you still fishing for a claim when it was an obvious dose of flavour?
Your vote for Breshke was just to get him talking, right? Not following your case on abuse at all. -1
JennyHell
Overall you are being very townie, which I'm sure you could play as either alignment. There is literally nothing I can take a solid read from here. You are moving the conversation which is great, but I don't see you pushing any agenda whether it is for the town or wicked ones. All I see is you trying to protect yourself. I will just have to wait for your MBK towards the end of the day.
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Jenny & lilwade, what do you think of MeatPerson's push? How is his behaviour compared to the previous game?
MeatProfessional, you say you agree with my tentative read on Jenny, yet agree with abuse on the following
Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
Also, MeatPencil, would you mind going over my mafia thesis on abuse (post #179) and tell me your thoughts? Especially since he's high in your town circle. Please tell me where and why you disagree. Thanks!
It's almost amazing how the newbie games are so much more tryhard than the experienced games. Like, half the guys in World Championship Belt were assholes...
Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there.
I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet.
I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
So look at this post
1) He's being rather defensive. It's been like one day into the game and no one has voted yet though already he is trying so hard to deflect any attacks on him. If he were town, he would be actually trying to make reads and analyse and contribute, instead of spending 2 big posts on explaining himself and arguing on semantics and fairness. Which ties onto the second point:
2) His reads are vague, general and useless. It's the easiest thing to say in the world that 'someone is town because he posts a lot of good stuff' and that's basically all he said. It's so easy for a scum to say that and look like he's given reads. Meanwhile look at his scum reads - '404 ERROR NOT FOUND'.
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Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far.
[QUOTE]On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: @ Suburbia,
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I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
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Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet. [/QUOTE]
I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up.
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This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good'
It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying.
So hears some of my thoughts so far MihZaaa His first few posts made me feel uneasy as first he commented on how he thought jenny would change her play style as to avoid being killed during the night as town and then went on to say he likes being a town power role as it is easier to not get yourself lynched. To me this just feels like a bad mindset for the majority of towns people as survival isn’t what most of us should be worried about. I havn't actually been able to get any other reads from everything else he has said
Barakos I have liked almost everything Barakos has said specifically his answers to abuses questions. Also his mention of the soft cop claim, its day 1 and if that actually really was a soft claim what would be the point of pointing it so I agree fully with him there.
Abuse This is my top town. Contrary to what some other people think I believe the questions he asked were great. Even though the first two might not give that much information look at how much content it has caused. To build on that if he actually did not purposefully answer them himself to see who would call him out on it I like it even more. He has actively put himself in the spotlight, when no one was really being pushed on, to try and cause discussion and it has worked.
I was hoping to get my thoughts down about jenny, superbia and meatpudding as well but I overslept and have to leave for uni. I should be back in around 4 and a half hours though to finish this off. Sorry for the lack of content and any questions you have for me ill be happy to answer when I get back.
Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there.
I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet.
I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
So look at this post
1) He's being rather defensive. It's been like one day into the game and no one has voted yet though already he is trying so hard to deflect any attacks on him. If he were town, he would be actually trying to make reads and analyse and contribute, instead of spending 2 big posts on explaining himself and arguing on semantics and fairness. Which ties onto the second point:
2) His reads are vague, general and useless. It's the easiest thing to say in the world that 'someone is town because he posts a lot of good stuff' and that's basically all he said. It's so easy for a scum to say that and look like he's given reads. Meanwhile look at his scum reads - '404 ERROR NOT FOUND'.
##Vote: abuse
for being scum.
I dont like that you come out of the woodwork and hop on someone elses boat. Instead of letting people analzye your post, you just come out with push on someone who has been getting picked at almost more than anyone else in the game. You accusing someone of vague, general, and useless when you have provided a poor case imo.
your second post I didnt get quotes with that but what i did gather is this "Though there are no real reads possible at the moment," Why then are you voting for someone? What does that gain the town, i get you like to push people but a day 1 mislynch is not what we want in a 9 person game.
Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there.
I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet.
I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
So look at this post
1) He's being rather defensive. It's been like one day into the game and no one has voted yet though already he is trying so hard to deflect any attacks on him. If he were town, he would be actually trying to make reads and analyse and contribute, instead of spending 2 big posts on explaining himself and arguing on semantics and fairness. Which ties onto the second point:
2) His reads are vague, general and useless. It's the easiest thing to say in the world that 'someone is town because he posts a lot of good stuff' and that's basically all he said. It's so easy for a scum to say that and look like he's given reads. Meanwhile look at his scum reads - '404 ERROR NOT FOUND'.
##Vote: abuse
for being scum.
I dont like that you come out of the woodwork and hop on someone elses boat. Instead of letting people analzye your post, you just come out with push on someone who has been getting picked at almost more than anyone else in the game. You accusing someone of vague, general, and useless when you have provided a poor case imo.
your second post I didnt get quotes with that but what i did gather is this "Though there are no real reads possible at the moment," Why then are you voting for someone? What does that gain the town, i get you like to push people but a day 1 mislynch is not what we want in a 9 person game.
your second post I didnt get quotes with that but what i did gather is this "Though there are no real reads possible at the moment," Why then are you voting for someone? What does that gain the town, i get you like to push people but a day 1 mislynch is not what we want in a 9 person game.
That was what abuse said, not what I said. My stance is, and always has been, that there is enough information to push reads.
Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
Care to elaborate?
Sounds like you are saying the same things about Jenny to me. She hasn't actually done anything that would put her in my town circle. She looks like she is trying to defend herself, rather that win the game for town. Not enough for me to give a scum read yet, but she's certainly not confirmed town. If I've missed the point of your question you could clarify.
Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far.
I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
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Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up.
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This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good'
It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying.
On August 27 2014 08:59 Superbia wrote: Also, MeatPencil, would you mind going over my mafia thesis on abuse (post #179) and tell me your thoughts? Especially since he's high in your town circle. Please tell me where and why you disagree. Thanks!
1. I don't see abuse as making a promise to read the other newbie game, and if he was it couldn't be alignment indicative. Anyone could read that thread or not, and we'll see if he decides to lurk more. I have posed some questions for him that need to be answered if he wants to stay my princess charming.
2. I don't follow how this statement could allow abuse to cover up his scummy play. Are you trying to say that if he pushes for a lynch and they flip town, he will say 'I was just being vocal' as a cover?
3. Somehow I suspect the hard push is coming. Also, how does giving misinformation about your MBK list help town in any way? You've mentioned your private points list a couple of times but I'm not convinced it's going to help us.
4. Good point, it may have been too early to reveal his reasoning here. As for the why, both me and Barakos called him out for asking us to provide information, when he wasn't giving us anything to read from. So I think he was forced to back up a bit. And if you check page 7, he does answer all the questions (I note this in my case on you).
"this makes it feel like there is much more substance behind the questions than there actually is" Me too. I'm waiting for him to jump back in the thread, and hopefully not too late.
5. Maybe you're right. But is it indicative of abuse's alignment? It could be scummy to hunt for roles, so maybe. But def a weak weak read. As for abuse's reply that often people don't answer before they ask, I think this is a scum trait because, as I said above, it doesn't give town any way to read the person asking the questions. So this could lead to abuse being scummy but not for the reason you've stated. This is something abuse needs to clear up asap.
6. The thread has started slow, so not everyone has given reads. Some people have not even posted. By now, however, I think it's a good time to give some reads. Note that Jenny for example hasn't given any reads either and you don't push a case on her.
7. Relates back to 2.
8. You seem to have missed most of what abuse said on page 7 (see point 4) so I think he has a good point that you are rushing.
Finally, 9. I'm inclined to agree mainly with abuse here. You and I seem to be reading the opposite and it makes you look wicked to me.
Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there.
I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet.
I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
So look at this post
1) He's being rather defensive. It's been like one day into the game and no one has voted yet though already he is trying so hard to deflect any attacks on him. If he were town, he would be actually trying to make reads and analyse and contribute, instead of spending 2 big posts on explaining himself and arguing on semantics and fairness. Which ties onto the second point:
2) His reads are vague, general and useless. It's the easiest thing to say in the world that 'someone is town because he posts a lot of good stuff' and that's basically all he said. It's so easy for a scum to say that and look like he's given reads. Meanwhile look at his scum reads - '404 ERROR NOT FOUND'.
##Vote: abuse
for being scum.
I'm not going to try to defend abuse until he posts some more, and even then only if I still get a town read from him. However your reasoning could be applied to half the people in this thread, including yourself. You're not making much sense.
Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far.
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: @ Suburbia,
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I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
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Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up.
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This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good'
It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying.
EBWOP fixed quotes
I'm happen to agree with what he was saying at that point. That is, Jenny is neutral (not enough positive action to put her in the town circle) and Barakos and MihZaaa are leaning town. Is there anything specific you would like me to elaborate on? What is it about the abuse quote I posted that you disagree with?
Also, what is your reads on Jenny and Barakos?
You haven't put out a town read on anybody yet, you need to more than just point fingers. For now I'm going to say that I don't read you as scum yet, but if you are town you need to help a lot more.
Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there.
I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet.
I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
So look at this post
1) He's being rather defensive. It's been like one day into the game and no one has voted yet though already he is trying so hard to deflect any attacks on him. If he were town, he would be actually trying to make reads and analyse and contribute, instead of spending 2 big posts on explaining himself and arguing on semantics and fairness. Which ties onto the second point:
2) His reads are vague, general and useless. It's the easiest thing to say in the world that 'someone is town because he posts a lot of good stuff' and that's basically all he said. It's so easy for a scum to say that and look like he's given reads. Meanwhile look at his scum reads - '404 ERROR NOT FOUND'.
##Vote: abuse
for being scum.
I dont like that you come out of the woodwork and hop on someone elses boat. Instead of letting people analzye your post, you just come out with push on someone who has been getting picked at almost more than anyone else in the game. You accusing someone of vague, general, and useless when you have provided a poor case imo.
your second post I didnt get quotes with that but what i did gather is this "Though there are no real reads possible at the moment," Why then are you voting for someone? What does that gain the town, i get you like to push people but a day 1 mislynch is not what we want in a 9 person game.
You're not making any sense.
lilwade is making much more sense than you are I'm afraid.
On August 26 2014 17:06 abuse wrote: In my mind, there is no real time when a townie lying would benefit town, so I would urge you not to do so, because if I catch you, I will push you. And chances are you will be scum when you flip afterwards. I have also recently played with a very annoying lurker, who just deflected all questions and did not really give any information at all to town. Behavior like this will also be pushed HARD.
Hopefully we get a good town atmosphere going where everyone is open about their thoughts and reads so scum has nowhere to hide. Have fun peeps~
Sounds like a preface for getting easy miss-lynches and blaming it on lying/lurking. Lynch all lurkers is "ok". Lynch all liars is garbage. I already fucking lied (gave misinformation about my points), where's the HARD push, huh?
On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote: My reason for asking about lynching liars and lurkers served 3 purposes.
1) to get your thoughts out, so people can have a peek into each others brains a little 2) to make sure people were on the same end of the stick as me, when it comes to what constitues a "liar" and what constitues a "lurker". One of the things being - I don't mind lurkers as much if they are just inactive. I do on the other half mind a lurker that is being called out but keeps ignoring questions. I have had this happen in another game and it is very annoying and I will not tolerate this. 3) See how people react to the policies, as well as what alignments would they prefer to play. While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.(for example, compare your answer of the first question to MihZaaa) Later down the game you can use this as a tool to see if they match it or not.
Why reveal this? And why so early? This makes no sense as town. You should at least wait until everyone has answered the questions. And on that note, despite requests, abuse still hasn't answered all of them.
Furthermore, to me, this makes it feel like there is much more substance behind the questions than there actually is. Don't get me wrong, I kind of liked the question behind lynching liars and lurkers, but it could also be used to distract town and eat time. The real question is: what have you gotten from the answers and how does it contribute to town?
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet.
What? There's plenty to read (alright, not that much, but what?). I gave no reads in return? Did you even read my post? Or are you not interested in what town has to say? Red flag right here. Also, you didn't ask any reads from anyone yet, so it's okay not to provide any of your own? Not asking people shit is a bad sign, by the way.
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
Another part that makes it blatantly obvious that you only skimmed over my post. Did you just crtl+f "scum" or something?
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
How do I "rush too much"? You mean giving opinions and reads? Are you not happy that I'm giving a shitload of data (not all of it being good, granted), even though you complained about "no people being around".
Good morning everyone. Just woke up, so here some thoughts on the abuse-case before i head to work:
1st quote and your reaction: I feel like you are overreacting at this point. You were called out instantly by 2 people on your math not adding up and gave the explanation to this without hesitation. abuse himself said, that lying without explanation would lead to him pushing people... you explained why you "lied" (i wouldn't even agreeing on it being a lie), so I would not have awaited a reaction from him, since pushing this point would have made him look more mafia than town.
as well as the questions I had for him... in fact the post you quoted here was an answer to me questioning his motives behind asking his questions.
3rd and 4th quote and your reaction: You are absolutely right. Anybody calling you out for not giving any reads and not being consistant with your opinion is not reading your posts close enough. Your reasoning on why Jenny is in your towncirle wasn't obvious, since you started with a -0.5 on her but you developed your opinion on her throughout your entire post and in the end it made sense. I had to reread it all and add up your numbers twice, but it did make sense.
5th quote: While I see the valid points in your post, I feel very uncomfortable voting on him yet, since he is one of the top contributors to the thread and your vote feels rushed to me, too.
Well this thread sure has passed on a lot since I slept.. skimmed it a little and see that my input has been asked for, Off to work now, but will probably read this through better at work and answer when I get home.
MihZaaa: I am still very unsure about you. Would you mind explaining the following:
On August 27 2014 04:25 MihZaaa wrote: What bothers me is that the people I read as scummy have either not spoken lately or have barely spoken. I wouldn't like this to be a wasted lynch where we end up just lynching for inactivity but it seems that's the direction we're heading to.
On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote: From least scummy to most.
Barakos Superbia and JennyHell Abuse
You complain about your scum-suspects not contributing enough yet you put abuse, one of the most vocal ones in this thread so far as most scummy? I feel like you are contradicting yourself here. Especially since your post was right after two posts of abuse.
meatpudding: I disagree with your read on abuse, especially with calling this part:
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
good analysis. This is a part I find especially scummy about abuse, since it shows, he hasn't read superbias post completely or is intentionally disregarding superbias change of mind on jenny just to make a point against one of the more towny people. Would you mind, rereading superbias post with a special filter on his tells on jenny and tell me, if you still think abuses post is good analysis?
And speaking of Jenny: I like that you don't trust her completely... I went through my reads and find, that I cut her quite some slack. I will have to rethink my standpoint on her in the near future.
I can see your vote on Superbia as a result of him trying to put a softclaim on you and him not reading all of abuses posts before making a case. But don't you think, superbia also got some really valid points on abuse and that therefore your vote is a bit too quick?
gobbledydook: I didn't like you, coming in the thread and 15 lines of content later you claim to have discovered a scumduo. While I agree with you on abuse having some very suspicious posts, I dislike that you completely discard the fact, that it was his posts that got the thread going in the end. Would you care to bring forward some more points that back up your vote and make me believe that you actually read the whole thread and not just some posts that led you to believe, abuse is scum?
At the moment, I believe you are overcompensating for being inactive the first 24h.
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
good analysis. This is a part I find especially scummy about abuse, since it shows, he hasn't read superbias post completely or is intentionally disregarding superbias change of mind on jenny just to make a point against one of the more towny people. Would you mind, rereading superbias post with a special filter on his tells on jenny and tell me, if you still think abuses post is good analysis?
I'm interested that you find it scummy. I don't feel that way (from this post). Although he's inactivity now is worrying me. I'll be asleep when he's back online and when I wake up it will be close to end of day. Not good.
What do you think he's trying to say? It seems to me that he is being wary of JennyHell, saying that just because she is vocal it's not necessarily a town trait. At the end of Superbia's post he says Jenny is in his town circle, but abuse is pointing out that Jenny hasn't actually done anything helpful to town. She's doing great at keeping the conversation flowing, but she hasn't given any reads, and I'm not getting any good read on her. So as I have said a few times, I'm hesitant to put her in my circle. I think this is what abuse is saying and that's how I agree with it. I don't think it contradicts Superbia at all because Superbia did say Jenny is in his town circle, and abuse is pointing out that she didn't receive any minuses in that post, when she probably could have.
There's not much there of substance about you, Barakos, except for this: You said:
On Jenny: I think Jenny is playing very similar to the last Newbie-Mafia and trys to get the thread going / is very vocal, so seeing that she was town the last game, I read her as town for now, although i am not very sure, since she stated herself:
And Superbia said:
87.31% agreement!
At least I think that's what he's agreeing to. Hmmm.
Superbia First off- I am not a fan of super long posts. They are confusing and have way too much information to handle in one read at least for me. It would have been much better if you had split your post at least with a single post per person you are analyzing. This is also why this post it will be a pain for everyone, because I need to quote you..(and it will be a disaster, but please bare(sp?) with me)
[QUOTE]On August 27 2014 05:54 Superbia wrote: Superbia's thesis® on why abuse is mafia:
[QUOTE]On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Alright, so you're making an easy promise because according to post #167, you aren't actually going to do shit with the information in a way that's positive for town. Sounds like a good excuse for a time sink (I didn't do anything because I was studying the other thread!). [/quote]
This is 100% speculation. You are being very cutthroat on something I have not even done, but you just assume that I will. Why would you base your arguments on this?
[QUOTE]On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: As I've said before, this can definitely be seen as a preface for scummy play. Why would you tell us what your playstyle is? How useful is this for town? It sounds like something you can fall back on when you've made a bad (i.e. scummy) play. [/quote]
I can tell you what my playstyle is because I want to. Or because I am a newbie. People are not so stupid to allow anyone to fall back on something like this, if you make a scummy play. If you make a scummy play, you have made a scummy play. That should be enough to push a person. I don't know what you read, but as far as I see this statement, it seems that I will push people who do not play like a townie should. Why would you assume(later) that I be scum based on this? This is not logical at all.
[QUOTE]On August 26 2014 17:06 abuse wrote: In my mind, there is no real time when a townie lying would benefit town, so I would urge you not to do so, because if I catch you, I will push you. And chances are you will be scum when you flip afterwards. I have also recently played with a very annoying lurker, who just deflected all questions and did not really give any information at all to town. Behavior like this will also be pushed HARD.
Hopefully we get a good town atmosphere going where everyone is open about their thoughts and reads so scum has nowhere to hide. Have fun peeps~[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Sounds like a preface for getting easy miss-lynches and blaming it on lying/lurking. Lynch all lurkers is "ok". Lynch all liars is garbage. I already fucking lied (gave misinformation about my points), where's the HARD push, huh? [/quote]
Did you even read this part yourself before you commented it? If I catch you it means that I will push. That is what I said. I did not mention at any point that I want to enduce(?) a lynch all liars or lynch all lurkers in this thread. If you lied then you made a scummy play. Others have noticed. The push will come.
[QUOTE]On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote: My reason for asking about lynching liars and lurkers served 3 purposes.
1) to get your thoughts out, so people can have a peek into each others brains a little 2) to make sure people were on the same end of the stick as me, when it comes to what constitues a "liar" and what constitues a "lurker". One of the things being - I don't mind lurkers as much if they are just inactive. I do on the other half mind a lurker that is being called out but keeps ignoring questions. I have had this happen in another game and it is very annoying and I will not tolerate this. 3) See how people react to the policies, as well as what alignments would they prefer to play. While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.(for example, compare your answer of the first question to MihZaaa) Later down the game you can use this as a tool to see if they match it or not.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Why reveal this? And why so early? This makes no sense as town. You should at least wait until everyone has answered the questions. And on that note, despite requests, abuse still hasn't answered all of them. [/quote]
Does it make sense as scum? (hint: no) Does it make sense as a newbie, playing his first newbie game in TL? ( :OOOO ) Also - I revealed this to let other people use this information to a good standard later themselves, and not discuss useless topics like why would i ask a general question. Also, as mentioned before by others, I have answered all of the questions myself, instantly when prompted. If you pride yourself on reading my posts, and blaming me for not reading yours, you should have known this. This also proves my point that you are rushing, and throwing out accusations all over the place. Also seems like you are making these super large posts on purpose, because nobody would actually quote your bs, to prove you wrong (especially in a newbie game where people might not know TL's formatting well, it also takes up a lot of time and effort.)
[QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Furthermore, to me, this makes it feel like there is much more substance behind the questions than there actually is. Don't get me wrong, I kind of liked the question behind lynching liars and lurkers, but it could also be used to distract town and eat time. The real question is: what have you gotten from the answers and how does it contribute to town?[/quote]
If you liked it then why are you pushing me about this? I have gotten what I have already mentioned before - basic picture of what a player is like, along with actual mafia-related stuff started being talked about, not useless chatter about other games and whatnot.
[QUOTE]On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote:I really do not have a problem with answering these questions myself, but how often do you really see people asking questions to others while answering them themselves at first? It also served a double purpose, to see who would call me out on it and how soon would it happen. Happened pretty soon, which is good.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: What use is it to look out for who calls him out for it? Is it alignment indicative? Hint: the answer is no. [/quote]
It is slightly alignment indicative, but it indicates more who plays how. Who notices stuff what they are supposed to notice. Stuff like this needs to be called out, but there is a large difference in HOW you get called out on it. Scum and town would do it in different ways. One way- how town would do it, is ask about it and after they get an answer they would understand. The other way - how scum would do it - is latch on to this detail for all eternity and push that this is what scum would do. hence what you are doing now.
[QUOTE]On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: What? There's plenty to read (alright, not that much, but what?). I gave no reads in return? Did you even read my post? Or are you not interested in what town has to say? Red flag right here. Also, you didn't ask any reads from anyone yet, so it's okay not to provide any of your own? Not asking people shit is a bad sign, by the way. [/quote] I didn't say you gave no reads. I said that you are saying that I ask for reads and not give any in return. Please read posts more carefully before you flag someone. There might be plenty of information to make reads from now, but not when I made that post, as discussions were only beginning.
[QUOTE]On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Another part that makes it blatantly obvious that you only skimmed over my post. Did you just crtl+f "scum" or something? [/quote] I dont understand your argument. Why is something like that "blatantly obvious" here?
[QUOTE]On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: How do I "rush too much"? You mean giving opinions and reads? Are you not happy that I'm giving a shitload of data (not all of it being good, granted), even though you complained about "no people being around". [quote]
You rush too much by not actually giving any good reads. Your arguments are flawed and are often based on stuff that you think will happen in the future, but have not actually happened yet , not to mention most of it was "alright" and jokes. You misread what people are saying and you do not even read most of what they are saying, and are trying to cause chaos that way. Your extremely large posts do not help either. It might seem like something that scum wouldn't do, because hey, scum wouldn't put that much effort because they want to stay under the radar, right? Scum can. You did. I do not have a problem with the fact that you are giving a shitload of data, it is what I wanted to achieve with my first questions after all. My problem is with the data you give. Your data is like a biased TV news network. You put everything in your light, and try to make wagons, by making people think like you want them to think, presenting all of the information in your biased perspective, not just poking at weak parts of others plays, letting others notice it and make their own judgement on the matter. This is scummy in my book.
[QUOTE]On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: How the fuck do you claim that there are no real reads, but still get townie vibes from people? You got a different kind of information source than me (i.e. know who is town)? Exact opposite from me? Again, didn't even read my fucking town circle. [/quote] How the fuck do you manage to find it bad and scummy, both when I say that there are no real reads available, AND when I post my thoughts on people? You also seem to find it bad and scummy, that by your mind, I do not give thoughts on others (though I do). Why do you find EVERYTHING I DO scummy? Why do you want everyone to think that?
[QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Furthermore, after all the interactions that happened, you have no reads? What the fuck? [/quote] Yet the very quote above this shows what are my "kind of reads" at that moment. That is all I had then. Now I have more, and I will post them later on everyone in one post. [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: ##Vote: abuse [/quote] Ridicullous.
So tell me, will you please add some more sense to your posts, instead of just taking some sentences that someone said, and try to make them look as scummy as possible?
Posts about others and a full readlist + my vote coming up later.
Mihzaaa Oh how I like this post of yours, and can relate to it so well..
On August 26 2014 16:55 MihZaaa wrote:Was hoping to get a power roll of some sort because sometimes defending yourself as vanilla town can be very frustrating when you don't convince people that have gotten fixated on you.
I liked his answers on the lurker and liar subject. Sounds reasonable, and even though the answer to the very first question was a bit snarky, overall this post gives me town vibes. His reply to Jenny was also good in my mind, he also comments that she talks a lot, while not grabbing her throat for it, his reply also signals that he is more into it for investigative purposes, not for attacking her for it.
Also - missed your question as to why I prefer town power roles. I prefer them because they give you slightly more information than a vt townie, as long as an extra ability that can shift the game if needed, while still gives you the opportunity to hunt scum.
I really like that Mihzaaa called Superbia out a little on him poking at a soft cop claim. I think this is not acceptable, because if scum did not notice it before, they did now. This does not imply superbia to be scum though, quite the opposite, it makes him a little towny(who made a blunder, because that basically puts a target on meat's back on N1), because scum would just discuss this privately in the night phase. No need to let everyone know that it has been noticed.
I also very much like how he calls out Superbia on the same thing I did in my previous post - giving negative points to stuff he expects to happen, which hasnt happened yet.
I saw you "gave town points" to Superbia for saying "Let's not get sidetracked with this policy garbage". Do you still think this is valid? Do you think Superbia didn't get sidetracked with this? Do you think that superbia is not one of the people who actually are the most sidetracked by this, and are actively mentioning these over and over again?
One thing I don't quite understand about your thoughts is, you say that you agree to what I have said, and like it a lotfind it a good policy to push but not harrass, inquire but not interrogate. You have put Superbia in your town circle at that point. Do you think this still applies to what he has posted? why exactly do you think he deserves a lynch less than me, even though he was the cause of all the "heavy" and "aggressive" that you said you are not a fan of? While you say that your most valid lynch candidate currently is me, even though you say that I helped town. Do you think this is good logic to go by?
Overall I feel like his opinions are sincere, he is trying to help town with his actions. He explains most of the stuff he does with good reasoning behind it. Would bang, not marry.
On Abuse: I didn't like you posting questions before answering them yourself... especially the ones, where you ask for the opinions on lurker- and liar-lynches.. It looks to me, as if you were trying to get yourselft the permission to lurk for a while... granted: you answered your questions when you were asked, still I found this a bit odd and will keep an eye on you.
What did you notice about me so far, while keeping an eye on me?
On August 27 2014 03:06 Barakos wrote: How do you read what meatpudding said about looking into Jennys heart to see her true alignment as a cop-softclaim? I mean... I can see how you could come to this conclusion, but to me this all sounds in line with the fluff the whole post was written in. So this seems a little far fetched. To be honest I find it pretty suspicious to talk people into (soft-)roleclaims before the first End of Day... feels like putting a crosshair on their back for the first night and the last thing I would want to do is make scums job of powerrole-hunting any easier. Maybe you might want to be a bit more careful with such conclusions? Unless of course I am missing sth... please guide me through the darkness, good fairy!
Very good. Very very good. he was the first one to notice that the cop-softclaim and calls superbia out on it. Major town points from me.
This post overall reeks of town. It is thought out. He calls out what needs to be called out. He questions Superbia, but does not attack him directly. Good.
His questioning about my motives seems legit aswell, though I did not like that he did not ask me(or anyone else except superbia) about them.
On August 27 2014 03:06 Barakos wrote: 3rd and 4th quote and your reaction: You are absolutely right. Anybody calling you out for not giving any reads and not being consistant with your opinion is not reading your posts close enough.
I have explained this in one of my last posts, (the huge one) how does your opinion change, when you see that it was not what was implied by superbia?
I like that you called out Superbia, in the same post, that I did answer the questions, unlike what he was implying.
Why do you see why meatpudding does not trust jenny completely, but do not see why I don't?
Overall - Town read. Would bang. Probably more than once. I like the way his posts are done. I like how he does pretty good detective work, I like how he does not accuse in a negative manner. I think that even if he turns out scum in the end, which I don't really think will happen, but still, his input is helpful to town.
Not much to see, as he has not put much input yet, but his reads seem okay to me. Would definitely like to hear more reads that he said he would give later.
I agree with his read on Barakos to an extent, and I like that he sees what I have done in a positive light.
Null at the moment, because even though I generally agree with his reads so far, I want more of them on more people. Some of the people who were not mentioned have been quite vocal.
meatpudding His reply to my initial first 4 questions satisfies me deeply (no perv intended) He is giving an experienced player vibe, even though this is a newbie game.
He seems to be the only person to actually read my posts how I intended them to be read, and does good analysis of the situation. Same as Barakos, even if he turns out to be scum in the end(which I also do not believe to be the case), I think having him along the way will still help town a lot. His posts are logical and have meaning behind them. He does not try to ignore questions and try to negatively push any flaws he sees in others' posts. He asks about them instead of attacking.
Also - I do not see him to be the cop, I do see him as town though.
My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now. As for the other things, what he says and analyzes are to my liking, though they are not anything big in particular. I like his jump on gobbledygook.
I am a little concerned about one thing wade said, but will not bring it to light yet, as I need more info.
Either way - If the tables would suddenly turn in this thread, I would not be okay with lynching him today.
Well. I like Jenny as a person. I like the way she plays, though her posts did have a lot of fluff.
I mainly see her as null, but have started yank her slightly towards town. She does give her input, but none of it is aimed to largely impact anything. I like that she does reply to every question she has been asked, and she does not do it half-heartedly, but with thought out posts. What she says does make sense, though she has not really made a big play yet in my opinion. I would love to see Jenny's current read list compilation on everyone involved.
Jennyhell Jenny seeming towny in the earlier parts of the thread dont make me town read her. She pointed out meatpuddings change of play from last game so it makes sense to me that if she was Mafia she would be making sure her play did not change from the previous game. One of the only reads she gave while lengthy ended in a neutral read on MihZaa. While the read was very thought out I don't like that she has not taken a stance on anyone in particular yet.
Meatpudding I feel like I should have a definite town read on you but I don't. I agree with a lot of things you have said especially town reading people for not putting jenny in their town circles just yet. May I ask though why in reply to abuses questions did you feel the need to specifically claim VT and not just town. Im not looking that much into this I'm just intrigued.
Superbia I dislike your push on abuse. You asked him how explaining his playstyle is helpful to town saying that this was just something he could fall back on for scummy play when you yourself were talking about “private reads”. Couldn't mentioning these be seen in the same way as a scapegoat to fall back on after a scummy play? Also was your vote for me just to try and make me talk? If not what changed between your vote on me and your vote on abuse?
Nothing to say about him. We could use a replacement really.
Superbia Most of my issues with him have been explained in my huge post. I feel like he did a HUGE blunder by mentioning any soft claims to everyone. His replies are cheeky, he does not read enough into people(he thinks he does) and he loves to argue a lot, and focuses on the wrong things (and boy does he focus).
I overall I read him as scum for now, but I do want to see how his game will continue, so in other words - I am willing to give him a chance to prove me wrong.
This is my biggest scumread . Does not indulge in any chatter at all. Does not give any input, until he just appears to instantly vote. Only gives his thoughts on 1 person in the entire game. Reasoning for voting for me: 1) being defensive (he himself does not even post anything to have any shots fired at him by anybody, plus why is defensiveness a scum tell?) 2) vague general reads, which are pointless ( has given 0 reads himself ) 3) for being scum. (what..?)
calls meatpudding scum because he agrees with my point of view. says meatpuddings views seem made up, while in actuality meatpudding gives one of the most best inputs in this entire thread.
says lilwade makes no sense in his posts, while making absolutely no sense himself.
Does not address ANYONE else, gives no positive input about anyone. Quite sure he did not even read anything except Superbia's post.
On August 27 2014 03:06 Barakos wrote: 3rd and 4th quote and your reaction: You are absolutely right. Anybody calling you out for not giving any reads and not being consistant with your opinion is not reading your posts close enough.
I have explained this in one of my last posts, (the huge one) how does your opinion change, when you see that it was not what was implied by superbia?
Why do you see why meatpudding does not trust jenny completely, but do not see why I don't?
I noticed that you have gotten pretty defensive, which is a natural reaction, given the fact that you are being pushed right now. - So there is no read from this. You seemed overly defensive, when i asked Superbia about his thoughts on your motives and you jumped in before he could answer. Didn't like that you called it silly and a waste of time, when all I wanted to do is get him talking. I wrote in another post, that I thought his huge openingpost contained only little valid information, given how long it was, so I felt the need to get some more information out of him, which in the end I got, when he made the big case on you, even though this wasn't the result of my question.
The explanation you gave on the read-discussion is as good, as it is simple. I can see that you meant something different than superbia and I understood. It was a fault by me for pushing you about this, while not thoroughly rereading what superbia quoted.
On Jenny I already stated that I realize, I've got Jenny in my townpile without any good reason and that I am looking into it. And I allways could understand, why you wouldn't trust Jenny, I had a different problem with your push on Superbia. When Superbia put him in his townpile and you questioned his descision I read it as an attack on him for just having her in his townpile, which was absolutely fine with me at that moment (The fact, he put her in his townpile), since i was on his page and it also fitted with his logic and smaller reads he gave in his post. Now I realize, that you didn't mind the fact he had her flagged as town but much more the way he analyzed Jenny. For example you mentioned his comment "scummy reference, careful now!" which I read as one of his many trollish comments, he did in his post. Since I found the tone of most of his comments to be quite trollish, I didn't take that comment seriously and therefore found no inconsistency in his townread on Jenny. You did take the "scum reference" comment serious and therefor found some flaws in his logic, which you pointed out, which is good, since it makes me question the way I read his giant post, since I might have been blinded by his trollish undertone and therefore missed several slips and flaws.
gobbledydook: I didn't like you, coming in the thread and 15 lines of content later you claim to have discovered a scumduo. While I agree with you on abuse having some very suspicious posts, I dislike that you completely discard the fact, that it was his posts that got the thread going in the end. Would you care to bring forward some more points that back up your vote and make me believe that you actually read the whole thread and not just some posts that led you to believe, abuse is scum?
At the moment, I believe you are overcompensating for being inactive the first 24h.
What's wrong with proposing a scumduo? If you don't agree, that's fine, but scumreading someone for not having the same opinion is not fine. You overemphasize 'getting the thread going'. The thread is going to get going regardless of any person posting sooner or later on day 1. If I wanted I could also post a ton of open questions to 'get the thread going' but that's not the point. The point of discussion is to provide insight.
Now that abuse has posted his list of reads I think he's town. I think he has put a massive effort into solving this game. The only thing I don't like is he omguses me, but that's fine I can live with that.
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A reread of meatpudding's analysis and follow-up to my post seems to indicate he is town.
Also for those saying I just jumped into the thread randomly, that's how I roll, you can see my other games in the TL mafia database and I do this every game regardless of alignment. I am just not a high volume poster. I also happen to live in Australia where kangaroos live and where your night is my day.
Right now I really don't like Superbia. He appears to post a lot, but: First big post is just a collection of one liners that don't mean much. It is sure hard to read though: maybe intentional? His 'thesis' on abuse, upon reread, is twisting abuse's words to make him look bad.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia?page=9#179 See for yourself. Also my initial scumread on abuse was not based on superbia's read in any way. Just to make it clear.
On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote: 2. I don't follow how this statement could allow abuse to cover up his scummy play. Are you trying to say that if he pushes for a lynch and they flip town, he will say 'I was just being vocal' as a cover?
I don't like it when people preface with what their playstyle is (especially for pushing), why would you do that? It feels to me like already making foundations for your defense (why would you do that?).
On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:3. Somehow I suspect the hard push is coming. Also, how does giving misinformation about your MBK list help town in any way? You've mentioned your private points list a couple of times but I'm not convinced it's going to help us.
Don't get me wrong, my town/mafia circle is what it is. I'm not going to lie about that so easily. However, I have obscured a bit of information about how I grade posts (i.e. tells) because I don't want people to figure out how I read them.
On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:4. Good point, it may have been too early to reveal his reasoning here. As for the why, both me and Barakos called him out for asking us to provide information, when he wasn't giving us anything to read from. So I think he was forced to back up a bit. And if you check page 7, he does answer all the questions (I note this in my case on you).
So yeah, I missed on abuse's response to his own questions (missed the part where he responded that he was VT and wanted town PR) because it was split up in two posts. To be honest, that was one of the weakest points in my thesis. Not a game breaker (in my opinion).
On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:5. Maybe you're right. But is it indicative of abuse's alignment? It could be scummy to hunt for roles, so maybe. But def a weak weak read. As for abuse's reply that often people don't answer before they ask, I think this is a scum trait because, as I said above, it doesn't give town any way to read the person asking the questions. So this could lead to abuse being scummy but not for the reason you've stated. This is something abuse needs to clear up asap.
You're right, this is a weak read. I'm not going to have a huge list of strong reads this early into the game on one person. Alas, I'm not that good (yet!).
On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:6. The thread has started slow, so not everyone has given reads. Some people have not even posted. By now, however, I think it's a good time to give some reads. Note that Jenny for example hasn't given any reads either and you don't push a case on her.
This skips over some of the meat of my argument, i.e. he blatantly skimmed over my post. However, you bring up a good point (one that I will reiterate later in a general post): where is Jenny? I towncircled her because she was very active and vocal, and I believed it would be easy to get reads on her early on. Time to kick her into the circle of neutrality?
On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:7. Relates back to 2.
I don't see how.
On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:8. You seem to have missed most of what abuse said on page 7 (see point 4) so I think he has a good point that you are rushing.
Eh, maybe that's fair. I don't think it's a good case to dismiss my arguments, however.
On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:Finally, 9. I'm inclined to agree mainly with abuse here. You and I seem to be reading the opposite and it makes you look wicked to me.
Unless I missed something, you read Jenny and Barakos as similar alignment to me. Not really that opposite? Also town can disagree.
I like this shit, MeatProp, it doesn't feel like a mafia trying to pocket abuse, nor does it feel like mafia defending mafia (I sincerely doubt that would happen D1 so quickly after my thesis). I think I'll add you to my town circle for now (maybe replacing Jenny, let's first read what she has done today).
Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now.
What? He called me town for posing questions in a non-attacking manner which is not at all alignement indicative and he said "Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish)". Those are gut reads at best. No analysis to speak of. This snough to put him in your town circle?
You also asked me if I lean neutral or scum on superbia and the answer is I'm leaning town on him.
Abuse
I saw you "gave town points" to Superbia for saying "Let's not get sidetracked with this policy garbage". Do you still think this is valid? Do you think Superbia didn't get sidetracked with this? Do you think that superbia is not one of the people who actually are the most sidetracked by this, and are actively mentioning these over and over again?
No, not really. He had a lengthy post but he was on the right track with it. A little bumpy but in the right direction.
why exactly do you think he deserves a lynch less than me, even though he was the cause of all the "heavy" and "aggressive" that you said you are not a fan of? While you say that your most valid lynch candidate currently is me, even though you say that I helped town. Do you think this is good logic to go by?
Things haven't gotten aggressive yet and even if it did, the one who is calmer is not necessarily townier. I don't subtract points for being punchy.
My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now.
This was in regards to lilwade. Can you elaborate your read on him?
calls meatpudding scum because he agrees with my point of view. says meatpuddings views seem made up, while in actuality meatpudding gives one of the most best inputs in this entire thread.
I explained on meatpudding's section why i don't think he gave "one of the most best inputs in this entire thread". Although goobledydook is my biggest scum so I agree with your read why are you siding with meatpudding so much. It's so scummy that both of you are defending the other hard for things that aren't even that good reads/ town plays.
He is giving an experienced player vibe, even though this is a newbie game.
You say this but again, I don't agree that much. You guys are either both mafia or both town.
Goobledydook
The post where you voted abuse was not well justified. Yeah, he spent time explaining himself. Isn't that what everybody should do? Explaining yourself as town will be the best read you have because you know you're town. Convincing others of it is mandatory. It's like you came, saw who was being put on the spot and piled what you could find in the hope that people will follow.
You're not making any sense.
He does make sense and if you think he's wrong you should be explaining it to him.
Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far.
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: @ Suburbia,
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I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
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Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up.
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This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good'
It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying.
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I kind of like your first train on thought. However, there hadn't been that many analyses yet at this point in the game (this was the second one besides my big post) so I don't think you can fault him that much? It'll be interesting to see how meat aligns with abuse during the rest of the day/game, however.
Following it up with a response to lilwade asking about me and superbia, and this is very minor but he, instead of saying what he said in previous post that we are in his towncircle, he decides to phrase it as a "no lynch zone", which felt a bit off.
I had a no lynch zone but not a full town list yet. I was expecting the others to talk more so I can get a clearer mafia read instead of a "least town" read I had on abuse.
He then had his lengthy post where he seemed extremely defensive, but he brought up some good parts as well that I can agree on. But the general feel I got from his lengthy post was that all the commented on was things that was about him, concerned him or was good for his play, which to me felt scummy.
I talked about things concerning me because that's where I have the most valuable input. Not only that but I wasn't giving my thoughts in regards to Superbia's reads on others that much because I was interested in their unadulterated answer/reaction more.
On August 27 2014 13:59 meatpudding wrote: I'm happen to agree with what he was saying at that point. That is, Jenny is neutral (not enough positive action to put her in the town circle) and Barakos and MihZaaa are leaning town. Is there anything specific you would like me to elaborate on? What is it about the abuse quote I posted that you disagree with?
Also, what is your reads on Jenny and Barakos?
You haven't put out a town read on anybody yet, you need to more than just point fingers. For now I'm going to say that I don't read you as scum yet, but if you are town you need to help a lot more.
I like this and second it: I What is your towncircle, dook?
I am still very unsure about you. Would you mind explaining the following: On August 27 2014 04:25 MihZaaa wrote: What bothers me is that the people I read as scummy have either not spoken lately or have barely spoken. I wouldn't like this to be a wasted lynch where we end up just lynching for inactivity but it seems that's the direction we're heading to.
On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote: From least scummy to most.
Barakos Superbia and JennyHell Abuse
You complain about your scum-suspects not contributing enough yet you put abuse, one of the most vocal ones in this thread so far as most scummy? I feel like you are contradicting yourself here. Especially since your post was right after two posts of abuse.
Don't mind explaining at all. When I was typing that abuses last few messages hadn't gotten through yet ( I didn't refresh the page before posting). He was my scummy read out of the ones that contributed and hadn't been responding for a while at that time. The other scum read was lilwade and he barely spoke. And all the rest were not present.
On August 26 2014 17:06 abuse wrote: In my mind, there is no real time when a townie lying would benefit town, so I would urge you not to do so, because if I catch you, I will push you. And chances are you will be scum when you flip afterwards. I have also recently played with a very annoying lurker, who just deflected all questions and did not really give any information at all to town. Behavior like this will also be pushed HARD.
Hopefully we get a good town atmosphere going where everyone is open about their thoughts and reads so scum has nowhere to hide. Have fun peeps~
Sounds like a preface for getting easy miss-lynches and blaming it on lying/lurking. Lynch all lurkers is "ok". Lynch all liars is garbage. I already fucking lied (gave misinformation about my points), where's the HARD push, huh?
On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote: My reason for asking about lynching liars and lurkers served 3 purposes.
1) to get your thoughts out, so people can have a peek into each others brains a little 2) to make sure people were on the same end of the stick as me, when it comes to what constitues a "liar" and what constitues a "lurker". One of the things being - I don't mind lurkers as much if they are just inactive. I do on the other half mind a lurker that is being called out but keeps ignoring questions. I have had this happen in another game and it is very annoying and I will not tolerate this. 3) See how people react to the policies, as well as what alignments would they prefer to play. While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.(for example, compare your answer of the first question to MihZaaa) Later down the game you can use this as a tool to see if they match it or not.
Why reveal this? And why so early? This makes no sense as town. You should at least wait until everyone has answered the questions. And on that note, despite requests, abuse still hasn't answered all of them.
Furthermore, to me, this makes it feel like there is much more substance behind the questions than there actually is. Don't get me wrong, I kind of liked the question behind lynching liars and lurkers, but it could also be used to distract town and eat time. The real question is: what have you gotten from the answers and how does it contribute to town?
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet.
What? There's plenty to read (alright, not that much, but what?). I gave no reads in return? Did you even read my post? Or are you not interested in what town has to say? Red flag right here. Also, you didn't ask any reads from anyone yet, so it's okay not to provide any of your own? Not asking people shit is a bad sign, by the way.
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
Another part that makes it blatantly obvious that you only skimmed over my post. Did you just crtl+f "scum" or something?
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
How do I "rush too much"? You mean giving opinions and reads? Are you not happy that I'm giving a shitload of data (not all of it being good, granted), even though you complained about "no people being around".
Good morning everyone. Just woke up, so here some thoughts on the abuse-case before i head to work:
1st quote and your reaction: I feel like you are overreacting at this point. You were called out instantly by 2 people on your math not adding up and gave the explanation to this without hesitation. abuse himself said, that lying without explanation would lead to him pushing people... you explained why you "lied" (i wouldn't even agreeing on it being a lie), so I would not have awaited a reaction from him, since pushing this point would have made him look more mafia than town.
I'm calling him out on it because according to his "how I play town", he would push on it. What's wrong with me pushing him here?
I don't think you know what slip means... slip (or scumslip) means that mafia does something incredibly stupid that instantly reveals their alignment, i.e. posting the nightkill before it happened. But I've explained this, I simply missed his VT claim because it was split off from his opinion about policies.
On August 27 2014 14:10 Barakos wrote:5th quote: While I see the valid points in your post, I feel very uncomfortable voting on him yet, since he is one of the top contributors to the thread and your vote feels rushed to me, too.
That's fine, if we can find a better lynch target (quick scan of the thread says we probably can, since it seemed like my thesis stirred him into action!).
On August 27 2014 22:18 MihZaaa wrote: Goobledydook
Your retreat seems just as void of arguments as your attack.
I'm sorry that you can't see my arguments. You may want to invest in correction lenses. And if you want to lynch me that's fine. When I flip 'Princess Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty' as I claimed, then we know who's been misrepresenting my words and pushing for a mislynch.
wakes up from a long sleep after drinking some grog in a tavern
Hi all,
just wanted to introduce myself. It is my first Mafia game and I expected a lot more role playing and interactiveness but maybe I am just used to role playing communities as opposed to RTS communities (although I love both) or the game has not properly began. Nonetheless I think it will be a very entertaining experience.
I am not a fan of using a point system to analyze behaviour and find this a bit suspicious.
All the players who introduced themselves like "Lets ban all the wickedness seem a bit mafia too me since this would be a good distraction from their own role".
I am just making these points without mentioning names since it is my first post here and I want to give everybody a fair chance before I call my shots".
On August 27 2014 17:20 abuse wrote: Superbia First off- I am not a fan of super long posts. They are confusing and have way too much information to handle in one read at least for me. It would have been much better if you had split your post at least with a single post per person you are analyzing. This is also why this post it will be a pain for everyone, because I need to quote you..(and it will be a disaster, but please bare(sp?) with me)
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later.
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Alright, so you're making an easy promise because according to post #167, you aren't actually going to do shit with the information in a way that's positive for town. Sounds like a good excuse for a time sink (I didn't do anything because I was studying the other thread!).
This is 100% speculation. You are being very cutthroat on something I have not even done, but you just assume that I will. Why would you base your arguments on this?
It is speculation. But at this point in the game I'm going through posts (specifically yours, because it was obvious to me that you skimmed my post, which greatly raises my suspicions) and seeing what kind of alignment would make these posts. This seems town-indicative, but it absolutely doesn't have to be. As such, I can see mafia making this play. It's not the best way to start off my thesis, but chronological order is a bitch.
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.)
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: As I've said before, this can definitely be seen as a preface for scummy play. Why would you tell us what your playstyle is? How useful is this for town? It sounds like something you can fall back on when you've made a bad (i.e. scummy) play.
I can tell you what my playstyle is because I want to. Or because I am a newbie. People are not so stupid to allow anyone to fall back on something like this, if you make a scummy play. If you make a scummy play, you have made a scummy play. That should be enough to push a person. I don't know what you read, but as far as I see this statement, it seems that I will push people who do not play like a townie should. Why would you assume(later) that I be scum based on this? This is not logical at all. [/QUOTE]
To me, it seems like a needless thing to do. As I've said before, my main point is that this can be abused by mafia to push a miss-lynch and then refer to this as an excuse. You say you want to tell us your playstyle, fine. I don't read it as townie and I never like it (for the reasons I stated). Hence why I use it as an argument. What was your goal posting this?
On August 26 2014 17:06 abuse wrote: In my mind, there is no real time when a townie lying would benefit town, so I would urge you not to do so, because if I catch you, I will push you. And chances are you will be scum when you flip afterwards. I have also recently played with a very annoying lurker, who just deflected all questions and did not really give any information at all to town. Behavior like this will also be pushed HARD.
Hopefully we get a good town atmosphere going where everyone is open about their thoughts and reads so scum has nowhere to hide. Have fun peeps~
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Sounds like a preface for getting easy miss-lynches and blaming it on lying/lurking. Lynch all lurkers is "ok". Lynch all liars is garbage. I already fucking lied (gave misinformation about my points), where's the HARD push, huh?
Did you even read this part yourself before you commented it? If I catch you it means that I will push. That is what I said. I did not mention at any point that I want to enduce(?) a lynch all liars or lynch all lurkers in this thread. If you lied then you made a scummy play. Others have noticed. The push will come.
That's fine, I think this response is townie, good for you.
On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote: My reason for asking about lynching liars and lurkers served 3 purposes.
1) to get your thoughts out, so people can have a peek into each others brains a little 2) to make sure people were on the same end of the stick as me, when it comes to what constitues a "liar" and what constitues a "lurker". One of the things being - I don't mind lurkers as much if they are just inactive. I do on the other half mind a lurker that is being called out but keeps ignoring questions. I have had this happen in another game and it is very annoying and I will not tolerate this. 3) See how people react to the policies, as well as what alignments would they prefer to play. While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.(for example, compare your answer of the first question to MihZaaa) Later down the game you can use this as a tool to see if they match it or not.
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Why reveal this? And why so early? This makes no sense as town. You should at least wait until everyone has answered the questions. And on that note, despite requests, abuse still hasn't answered all of them.
Does it make sense as scum? (hint: no)
Sick burn.
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:Does it make sense as a newbie, playing his first newbie game in TL? ( :OOOO )
This is weak, you lose some of your earned townie points for pulling this "I'm a newbie" garbage excuse.
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:Also - I revealed this to let other people use this information to a good standard later themselves, and not discuss useless topics like why would i ask a general question.
Use the information later... I'm not sure I feel like the same way as you do about the quality of the information gained.
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:Also, as mentioned before by others, I have answered all of the questions myself, instantly when prompted. If you pride yourself on reading my posts, and blaming me for not reading yours, you should have known this. This also proves my point that you are rushing, and throwing out accusations all over the place. Also seems like you are making these super large posts on purpose, because nobody would actually quote your bs, to prove you wrong (especially in a newbie game where people might not know TL's formatting well, it also takes up a lot of time and effort.)
Tu quoque. I saw you respond with your opinion on the policies, I then reread all your posts specifically looking for an answer to the first question (role + what role you wanted) but for some reason your answer didn't register to me. So I looked over it, fuck me, right? And since I'm a disgusting hypocrite, my points are moot. Multiple people have read my megapost and have asked questions accordingly based on what was unclear, etc. That is townie behaviour. Calling me out on big posts is not.
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Furthermore, to me, this makes it feel like there is much more substance behind the questions than there actually is. Don't get me wrong, I kind of liked the question behind lynching liars and lurkers, but it could also be used to distract town and eat time. The real question is: what have you gotten from the answers and how does it contribute to town?
If you liked it then why are you pushing me about this? I have gotten what I have already mentioned before - basic picture of what a player is like, along with actual mafia-related stuff started being talked about, not useless chatter about other games and whatnot.
I'm not asking in the abstract sense. I'm asking you to provide to take the information you have gotten from these questions, put them in the textbox below the thread, and click post.
On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote:I really do not have a problem with answering these questions myself, but how often do you really see people asking questions to others while answering them themselves at first? It also served a double purpose, to see who would call me out on it and how soon would it happen. Happened pretty soon, which is good.
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: What use is it to look out for who calls him out for it? Is it alignment indicative? Hint: the answer is no.
It is slightly alignment indicative, but it indicates more who plays how. Who notices stuff what they are supposed to notice. Stuff like this needs to be called out, but there is a large difference in HOW you get called out on it. Scum and town would do it in different ways. One way- how town would do it, is ask about it and after they get an answer they would understand. The other way - how scum would do it - is latch on to this detail for all eternity and push that this is what scum would do. hence what you are doing now.
This is a fair answer, I wouldn't expect scum to respond like that and sign their own grave that easily, but to each their own, and the more angles the better, I suppose?
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet.
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: What? There's plenty to read (alright, not that much, but what?). I gave no reads in return? Did you even read my post? Or are you not interested in what town has to say? Red flag right here. Also, you didn't ask any reads from anyone yet, so it's okay not to provide any of your own? Not asking people shit is a bad sign, by the way.
I didn't say you gave no reads. I said that you are saying that I ask for reads and not give any in return. Please read posts more carefully before you flag someone. There might be plenty of information to make reads from now, but not when I made that post, as discussions were only beginning.
What? Can someone else look at this? I feel like this is miscommunication. I don't think I ever accused you of asking for reads and not giving any in return (specifically this, I am accusing you of generally giving no reads).
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Another part that makes it blatantly obvious that you only skimmed over my post. Did you just crtl+f "scum" or something?
I dont understand your argument. Why is something like that "blatantly obvious" here?
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: How do I "rush too much"? You mean giving opinions and reads? Are you not happy that I'm giving a shitload of data (not all of it being good, granted), even though you complained about "no people being around".
You rush too much by not actually giving any good reads. Your arguments are flawed and are often based on stuff that you think will happen in the future, but have not actually happened yet , not to mention most of it was "alright" and jokes.
There was nothing really substantial yet, I wanted to get shit moving. That's what my megapost was for. My arguments are based on the thoughts behind posts. Does this help town in any way? Or is it simply an excuse for bad/scummy play? If you're not helping town, but still posting shit that's somewhat relevant, what the fuck are you doing?
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:You misread what people are saying and you do not even read most of what they are saying, and are trying to cause chaos that way. Your extremely large posts do not help either. It might seem like something that scum wouldn't do, because hey, scum wouldn't put that much effort because they want to stay under the radar, right? Scum can. You did.
I've misread you. Once. I didn't associate your VT claim and "I want to be a PR!" with the question you yourself posed. Fuck me right?
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I do not have a problem with the fact that you are giving a shitload of data, it is what I wanted to achieve with my first questions after all. My problem is with the data you give. Your data is like a biased TV news network. You put everything in your light, and try to make wagons, by making people think like you want them to think, presenting all of the information in your biased perspective, not just poking at weak parts of others plays, letting others notice it and make their own judgement on the matter. This is scummy in my book.
I am putting everything in my light because I am outing my own opinion on everything. Amazing how that works. I'm trying to get people to think like me? I'm trying to get people to interact with me and I'm presenting my reads.
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: How the fuck do you claim that there are no real reads, but still get townie vibes from people? You got a different kind of information source than me (i.e. know who is town)? Exact opposite from me? Again, didn't even read my fucking town circle.
How the fuck do you manage to find it bad and scummy, both when I say that there are no real reads available, AND when I post my thoughts on people?
Substantiate your vibes. You need to back up your fucking circles man.
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:You also seem to find it bad and scummy, that by your mind, I do not give thoughts on others (though I do). Why do you find EVERYTHING I DO scummy? Why do you want everyone to think that?
This feels like an appeal to emotion. I don't feel like everything you do is scummy, I just feel like there's barely any town content, which gives me reason enough to push on you.
"You need to back up your fucking circles man" "I just feel like there's barely any town content." I honestly do not know what game you are playing, and what posts you are reading. I backed up every single of my town reads with seperate posts.
Also i find it funny, that you are allowed to "get things going" with your huge post, yet when I do it with my questions before you, you fail to see this as the same thing, while many others have acknowledged this.
I honestly have nothing more to say. This post of yours(though still mega) seems a little more grown up, but you still tend to fixate on a part of what is said. You do not have a case on me. You think you do, but you don't, Out of everything you said about me, there is nothing that actually IS scummy. I have, at this point, posted much more townie content than pretty much anyone here, and you fail to see it or admit it, then there is really only one explanation for this in my mind.
P.S. And the fact that you think that being a newbie is a garbage excuse, you should stop playing in newbie games if you think that is true, and you should be ready to hit it with the big guys.
abuse, I like that you've given reads on everyone. I'm not sure how I feel about the fact that seem to base your reads on Mihzaaa and Barakos mainly on their interaction/reads with/on me, while you don't seem to have a clear read on me.
I don't know how I feel about gobbledydook, I find myself agreeing with him with what little he has said on abuse. His flip on me just now feels a little too scummy for scum? If that makes sense. Would like to hear more from him.
On August 27 2014 19:26 Breshke wrote: Meatpudding May I ask though why in reply to abuses questions did you feel the need to specifically claim VT and not just town. Im not looking that much into this I'm just intrigued.
Eh, weird question. I specifically claimed VT as well (as did others), why are you pushing on MeatProp?
On August 27 2014 19:26 Breshke wrote:Superbia I dislike your push on abuse. You asked him how explaining his playstyle is helpful to town saying that this was just something he could fall back on for scummy play when you yourself were talking about “private reads”. Couldn't mentioning these be seen in the same way as a scapegoat to fall back on after a scummy play? Also was your vote for me just to try and make me talk? If not what changed between your vote on me and your vote on abuse?
Good point, but when I push on someone for the lynch, I'm going to out all my reads. Besides, as I've said before, my mafia and town circle is definitely definite (i.e. not private). When I make a scummy play and refer to private reads, feel free to push on me.
Happy you're giving some reads, Breshke, not sure what to think of them yet, though.
On August 27 2014 23:55 abuse wrote: "You need to back up your fucking circles man" "I just feel like there's barely any town content." I honestly do not know what game you are playing, and what posts you are reading. I backed up every single of my town reads with seperate posts.
You backed them up later. But saying something like "I get a townie vibe from" and then "there are no real reads" makes me wonder where you got your vibes from, is that so wrong?
On August 27 2014 23:55 abuse wrote:Also i find it funny, that you are allowed to "get things going" with your huge post, yet when I do it with my questions before you, you fail to see this as the same thing, while many others have acknowledged this.
Your questions were not mafia-indicative, I have pointed this out. I am happy to have the questions out there (as I've pointed out before, with the whole anything is better than nothing thing), but I don't think it's too town indicative for you to escape my gaze.
On August 27 2014 23:55 abuse wrote:I honestly have nothing more to say. This post of yours(though still mega) seems a little more grown up, but you still tend to fixate on a part of what is said. You do not have a case on me. You think you do, but you don't, Out of everything you said about me, there is nothing that actually IS scummy. I have, at this point, posted much more townie content than pretty much anyone here, and you fail to see it or admit it, then there is really only one explanation for this in my mind.
That's fine, you've said your part and you've given your reads. I'm going to keep my vote on you for now to see where things will go.
On August 27 2014 23:55 abuse wrote:P.S. And the fact that you think that being a newbie is a garbage excuse, you should stop playing in newbie games if you think that is true, and you should be ready to hit it with the big guys.
Everyone here is a newbie. I'm just not going to accept any meta-excuses.
On August 27 2014 23:35 Daydreamarine wrote: wakes up from a long sleep after drinking some grog in a tavern
Hi all,
just wanted to introduce myself. It is my first Mafia game and I expected a lot more role playing and interactiveness but maybe I am just used to role playing communities as opposed to RTS communities (although I love both) or the game has not properly began. Nonetheless I think it will be a very entertaining experience.
I am not a fan of using a point system to analyze behaviour and find this a bit suspicious.
All the players who introduced themselves like "Lets ban all the wickedness seem a bit mafia too me since this would be a good distraction from their own role".
I am just making these points without mentioning names since it is my first post here and I want to give everybody a fair chance before I call my shots".
On August 27 2014 19:26 Breshke wrote: Meatpudding May I ask though why in reply to abuses questions did you feel the need to specifically claim VT and not just town. Im not looking that much into this I'm just intrigued.
Eh, weird question. I specifically claimed VT as well (as did others), why are you pushing on MeatProp?[/QUOTE]
I actually didn't realize others had claimed VT to be honest. The fact that more people did it makes me feel less bad about it because one person claiming VT is just someone mafia knows not to kill whereas the more there is the less that works
On August 27 2014 21:36 gobbledydook wrote: What's wrong with proposing a scumduo? If you don't agree, that's fine, but scumreading someone for not having the same opinion is not fine. You overemphasize 'getting the thread going'. The thread is going to get going regardless of any person posting sooner or later on day 1. If I wanted I could also post a ton of open questions to 'get the thread going' but that's not the point. The point of discussion is to provide insight.
Now that abuse has posted his list of reads I think he's town. I think he has put a massive effort into solving this game. The only thing I don't like is he omguses me, but that's fine I can live with that.
##Unvote
A reread of meatpudding's analysis and follow-up to my post seems to indicate he is town.
Also for those saying I just jumped into the thread randomly, that's how I roll, you can see my other games in the TL mafia database and I do this every game regardless of alignment. I am just not a high volume poster. I also happen to live in Australia where kangaroos live and where your night is my day.
So you read a post of mp, called him abuses scumbuddy, get called out for it not being valid, read some more posts to see, that you couldn't hold up your point and retract instantly? Why didn't you bother with reading first and posting after?
On August 27 2014 23:21 gobbledydook wrote: And if you want to lynch me that's fine. When I flip 'Princess Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty' as I claimed, then we know who's been misrepresenting my words and pushing for a mislynch.
So you are trying to scare people away from voting to lynch you by saying "Don't vote for me, cause if you do, everybody will know I am a princess, which makes you scum?"
Your overall appearance here in this thread looks pretty bad up until now. You hop in, you post some stuff, put a vote down, shortly afterwards take back everything you said, don't answer any question directed at you and on top of it all, you also explain that we shouldn't expect any more out of you, since this you are not a high volume poster and just randomly hop in and out of threads? Where is your effort to solve this game? I can't see it and the way you put it, you make it look like you are also not very interested in putting any effort into it.
Not voting (5): JennyHell, lilwade, gobbledydook, Breshke, Daydreamarine
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Okay, I've read up and boy it's confusing to jump back in when you've been away for a while. Instead I'm going to filter dive you all and form my BMK list.
Here's a general overview of every player in the game:
meatplayer You're being a bit different from last time we played together. It could have something to do with the fact that we actually didn't get to play that much last time with me dying and you being inactive. that said, I've liked your reads so far, although I'm not sure about MihZaaaa, and I'd like to see what more you can give further in to the game. Another thing to note, I didn't take what you said about looking into my heart as a soft claim. I just thought you were making fluff. And I still do, even after others have pointed it out.
lilwade lilwade, lilwade, wherefore art though, lilwade?! Your filter is insanely short... It's almost like Daydreamarine's and his is next to non-existing. However, you are being similar to last game we played together, so that's at least a good thing, although not alignment indicative. There was something I picked up in one of your posts, that I will not share, but I'm willing to give you a pass for today. You've asked some questions, poking and prodding at people. I'd like to see you make a list of your reads. (If you haven't already by the time I post this.)
Gobblegobblegobble The way you came in at the start of the game and just stated your role thing felt really awkward and a bit offputting, to be honest. Especially since we could all be doing that and it would lead to nothing. You made a scumduo which I felt was a bit too soon to find, and I didn't agree on it. You later withdrew it due to reading abuse as town and that I wholeheartedly agree with. I didn't like your comment on Superbia's big thread that he made it hard to read intentionally. I don't see why anyone would do that no matter what alignment. I do see what you mean by saying that Superbia is twisting abuse's words and I agree that he is, how can I phrase this, taking 1 and 1 and making 11 rather than 2. All of this said, I don't appreciate your general attitude in most of your posts and probably wouldn't be sad to see you go, whether you're town or not. See below for example:
I'm sorry that you can't see my arguments. You may want to invest in correction lenses.
MihZaa My most flipfloppy read this entire game. You have me going back and forth like a newton's cradle. Your idea of me wanting to swap my playstyle to be less towny in order to not die, is flawed and I'm writing it down as you just not really knowing yet what is the most beneficial play for yourself when you play mafia games. However, you then flipped on your own idea when you said you thought I'd been more reluctant to take the mic so hard day 1 if I had been mafia. So what is it? Am I less out there when I'm mafia or town? Make your mind up.
This is taking soooo long. I have to go make dinner now. Will continue with the rest of you while I eat!
Barakos To start with I have a question. Do you usually answer your own questions before you let the person you ask answer? "Hey, I'm feeling awesome today, how are you?". I agree that if abuse had never answered the question himself, it would have been scummy. But to call him out on it so shortly after the question is a bit odd I think.
On Abuse: I didn't like you posting questions before answering them yourself...
You agreed with me on the soft-claim not really seeming like a soft claim, which could mean numerous things. I know why I felt that way, but even though you explained it, I have yet to truly figure out why. You picked up on the same thing I did about Superbia and his flawed maths, so that means you're paying attention and you chose to phrase it by asking rather than accusing, which I liked. You are creating conversation with people, putting your logic out there, taking theirs in. You take everyone into consideration, not leaving anyone out, which I like. There's really no need for you rethink your standpoint on me, Barakos. But again, some general suspicion is healthy.
Breshke You do next to nothing for me, sorry not sorry! I can agree on certain things you say and the way you read people. But I don't like the lack of proper contribution. Who's in your towncircle and who's in your mafiacircle?
abuse Your questions did nothing for me, I thought there are way better questions people can ask but you came with an idea of how you wanted to spark conversation and read people. Having a plan to figure new people out is great. Personally I tend to just wing it and find oddities in they way they say things. It's not always the content they provide that makes me see them as scummy but the way they say it. Anyways, moving on. If you read my question to Barakos you know where I stand on the whole "didn't answer his own question first" thing. I'm completely on your side with that thing. I'm glad you did answer it though, but more importantly explained as to why you did it. That generated more of an insight about you than us answering your questions, because let's face it, they weren't all that gamebreaking. Why you don't see things I do as being towny is fine. You're wrong, but it's fine. We're all different people and read things differently. Not going to hold that against you, or anyone else for that matter. You then said this:
I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner
While I agree that is the case, at least about Barakos, I feel others that you are neutral on have done the exact same thing. That makes me wonder why are you willing to say this for them but not the others,for example me? You later on said this:
I like that she does reply to every question she has been asked, and she does not do it half-heartedly, but with thought out posts. What she says does make sense, though she has not really made a big play yet in my opinion. I would love to see Jenny's current read list compilation on everyone involved.
So when did my posts become thought out enough for you? Oh, and here you go, the compilation you wanted! All in all I agree with most of your reads.
Superbia I like your start, you were asking questions, trying to find out things about people. You then followed with your +1 -1 post which did nothing for me. It was, like others have stated, an abomination. Next to impossible to follow. Most of it was "alright" and you giving me a -1 for pointing out a different behaviour in someone is ridiculous. After I explained it to you, like you asked me to, you said you thought it was like I explained. So why the -1? You then didn't even follow your own math, and was called out for it. Your question about the excel file made me laugh because I can picture you sitting there reading through all posts and go "Ooh, +1 for you. Gold star in the corner!". The soft-claim ordeal was just plain dumb and I'd like us to move on from that. He's even explained himself that he wasn't soft-claiming. You've been reading way too much in to things people say, and making the wrong assumption, perhaps even so wrong that you end up bending their words to your will. It feels really off. You ask a lot of questions which generally is a good thing but I can't shake this feeling that you're digging for ways to go at people rather than trying to solve this game. Also, can you like.. try to avoid stupidly long posts? They're a pain to read and filtering you is doing my head in. This goes for everyone. Can we do it short and sweet, and if you really need to do a long post, can we keep them to a minimum or at least divide them up? No, I did not die. I threw babies at knights and I cursed the Great Knight Tao to inflict himself harm until death. It was a productive event and I leveled up, yay me!
Daydreamarine HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA *facepalm* You have a lot of catching up to do, sweetie. Can't wait to see what you have to bring.
Before I give my BMK list I'd like to further express 2 things.
1.) We all need to make shorter concise posts, so that mafia can't hide in the big posts. It's much easier when they have time to make their big posts that they can make more sense. Just fyi.
2.) I didn't quite expect people to take my own explanation for how I play as me being neutral. Did I scare you all from thinking I'm town? Let me make this clear. Would I play the same? Yes! People should always go out of their way to be as towny as possible. Mafia will have a much harder time being townies than actual townies, would you believe that?! Amazing how it works.
On August 28 2014 04:30 JennyHell wrote: Barakos To start with I have a question. Do you usually answer your own questions before you let the person you ask answer? "Hey, I'm feeling awesome today, how are you?". I agree that if abuse had never answered the question himself, it would have been scummy. But to call him out on it so shortly after the question is a bit odd I think.
On Abuse: I didn't like you posting questions before answering them yourself...
Of course I don't usually answer my own questions beforehand. This would make for some quite strange conversations irl, i guess. But this isn't irl - it's a forumgame where everybody has to be as open as possible for us to win, to prevent misslynches. I found he wasn't open, I called him out and pushed a little... he answered the questions I still was a little suspicious about him but didn't keep going at it forever. Could have been too soon to call him out, yet I still felt the need to do it. That's all.
Marry I'm not quite ready to marry someone yet, but I do have a keen eye for Barakos. How about we do a temporary engagement. Will you be my lovely bride?
Bang abuse - Just like Rihanna I seem to like it and keep coming back for more.
Meatpuddle - You're different this game, but I'm willing to give you a one night stand.
lilwade - You're the same as last game. Your activity is just as appalling as usual but there's something you said that I'm not even sure you know yourself yet. I'm hoping I'm right on this and I'm willing to bang you, for now.
Daydreamarine - You probably shouldn't even be close to this list but oh my word.. I can't wait to see what you bring. I'm willing to give you a pass just so I can see more of your roleplaying.
Kill Superbia - You're the one I read the most scummy. I don't get you, man... You're taking things way out of context to where it doesn't feel like it's close to the truth anymore and I dno what to do about you.. Can we just kill you? I feel like you cause more harm than good with the confusion and mess you create. Please, do prove me wrong. I'd love to change my read on you.
MihZaaaa - I don't know how to read you. You're flip floppy and I get flip floppy on you. I don't like being flip floppy. I'm fine with you dying.
Breshke - Your lack of anything substantial is making me dislike you. You need to change that if you want me to start liking you.
Gobblegobblegobble - I don't necessarily see you as scummy, I've agreed on certain things you've said but I just don't appreciate the tone in what you have to say. You are the least scummy out of my kills and the one I'd kill absolutely last.
I get that people may not have the same reads as me, and I'm willing to hear people out. How about we find 2 people we as a town combined most want to get rid of, create a wagon on those two, laying down some pressure and hear them out? I mean it's only 5 hours left now.
Just in case, here's my vote.
##Vote: Superbia
Willing to change to other wagons should it be better for town.
Not voting (4): lilwade, gobbledydook, Breshke, Daydreamarine
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Superbia, how invested do you feel in this game? Do you feel like you're being misread and if so, what would you be able to do differently to make people see you less scummy? Do you think mafia will try to stay under the radar or go out of their way and be one of the more noticable people?
On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote: Kill Superbia - You're the one I read the most scummy. I don't get you, man... You're taking things way out of context to where it doesn't feel like it's close to the truth anymore and I dno what to do about you.. Can we just kill you? I feel like you cause more harm than good with the confusion and mess you create. Please, do prove me wrong. I'd love to change my read on you.
##Vote: Superbia
Willing to change to other wagons should it be better for town.
So I guess it's time for some defense? I have now heard the term "take it way out of context" more than once. I'm sorry, but if you disagree with how I read people, that's fine, just say that. However, both MeatPertubator and Barakos seemed to agree with my (in my opinion) most important reads on abuse.
You don't know what to think of me so you want to kill me? I feel like this is a bad reason. I push on someone hard to get interactions going and information flowing. Really, before I started interacting (and I'll admit, it was a bit more chaotic than I wanted, especially my megapost) nothing was really going on. I don't want to waste precious time, especially when we're dealing with multiple timezones. Day 1 is the hardest to read. So I felt a bit iffy on Breshke and abuse, so I wanted to push on them a little. I felt abuse's reply was a bit too defensive, and most importantly, it revealed (to me) that he had skimmed my post. Most importantly, he seemed to have poorly registered my towncircle; he said he had the complete opposite towncircle, while our towncircles actually seemed very similar. This was my main argumentation. I admit that the rest of the arguments were maybe a bit far fetched (it was still a bit scummy in my eyes), but I wanted to push him as hard as I could, to see what I could get out of him.
Both gobbledydook and abuse pushed quite a bit of scum on me, so I'm not surprised to see a vote appear. I'm surprised the former didn't start a vote, and that seems a little scummy to me? Especially after he flipped so hard.
I'd like MeatProbability's and Barakos' opinion on me and the whole "taking shit out of context" conundrum. They are my top town at the moment.
I'd prefer not to get lynched today. I'll take questions from here.
On August 28 2014 05:20 JennyHell wrote: Superbia, another thing. What's your current thoughts about abuse? Your vote is on him, do you still feel he's the most likely to be mafia?
I'm not sure about him. Many people are reading him town, including MeatPoppy. I'd like to lynch him at some point, but maybe not today? I'll see where my vote goes as the dark approaches.
On August 28 2014 05:14 JennyHell wrote: Superbia, how invested do you feel in this game? Do you feel like you're being misread and if so, what would you be able to do differently to make people see you less scummy? Do you think mafia will try to stay under the radar or go out of their way and be one of the more noticable people?
I'm pretty invested in the game. I've put a lot of time and energy into it. It is my second mafia game ever, and my first forum mafia game, so I'm pretty excited about it all (this might seem like a hypocritical answer, but how invested I am in the game is a meta-question anyway, so expect a meta-answer).
Eh, to be honest, I care more about killing scum, if I seem a bit scummy in the process, then so be it. However, I don't want town to misslynch, so I'll try to keep it less chaotic, i.e. shorter posts, less jokes (alas ). Since the game is progressing, it's probably less necessary to bait out information, so hopefully my reads will be easier to relate to.
Mafia will probably always try to stay under the radar until they are getting to the finishing point. One might pop up during day 2 to try and integrate into the town circle (if he/she's not there already). Probably the one who didn't vote on a miss lynch (if we get one today). I really really hope we get a lynch today, because it would the game so much easier.
On August 28 2014 05:20 JennyHell wrote: Superbia, another thing. What's your current thoughts about abuse? Your vote is on him, do you still feel he's the most likely to be mafia?
I'm not sure about him. Many people are reading him town, including MeatPoppy. I'd like to lynch him at some point, but maybe not today? I'll see where my vote goes as the dark approaches.
So if not him, who would you rather see us lynching today?
On August 28 2014 05:20 JennyHell wrote: Superbia, another thing. What's your current thoughts about abuse? Your vote is on him, do you still feel he's the most likely to be mafia?
I'm not sure about him. Many people are reading him town, including MeatPoppy. I'd like to lynch him at some point, but maybe not today? I'll see where my vote goes as the dark approaches.
So if not him, who would you rather see us lynching today?
Probably dook or Breshke. I liked dook's initial read on abuse (because it was similar to mine), but his flip on me and his excuses ("this is how I play") seemed off. I'd probably go for dook, though it might seem like an easy target in my position, my Breshke read is not that substantial and he's been very lurky. I don't like to kill lurkers for obvious reasons. At this point I just want more information. I wish more people interacted with my push. I only got a definite townread (for now) off it.
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Seeing your responses to my questions I am beginning to like you a bit more. I'm willing to change my vote from you. You're probably just misunderstood town.. FFFFf.. haha. You're getting a townpass for today, I want to see more from you during the night and tomorrow.
I'll instead put my vote on Breshke.
Why I'm choosing him out of my scum reads is because out of my scumreads he's the only one that's manage to skip reading 3 people in the game. Last game the mafia people didn't have any interactions and didn't even give reads on eachother. I fear that is what Breshke might be doing here. There's nothing majorly wrong with his logic, but I think it may come from a scum perspective. I feel Breshke is a good wagon and he himself said he had difficulties posting unless questions are posed to him. So maybe a wagon will make him come out of his shell.
On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote: Marry I'm not quite ready to marry someone yet, but I do have a keen eye for Barakos. How about we do a temporary engagement. Will you be my lovely bride?
As tempting as it sounds to have you as my bastion of light, hope and all that is good in this world of wickedness... I am afraid I can't fully commit to being your bride right now.
But let's talk some more and see, where it goes from here, shall we?
You say lilwade is playing like last game and therefore have him in your banglist for now, even though he isn't very active. And at the same time your feeling about meatpudding is, that he plays a different game as last time, yet still you give him enough credit to put him on your banglist - at least for a one night stand. So my question is - why do you treat both the same, while only one of them is behaving as he used to do in the last game?
Not voting (4): lilwade, Breshke, Daydreamarine, Superbia
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On August 27 2014 21:36 gobbledydook wrote: What's wrong with proposing a scumduo? If you don't agree, that's fine, but scumreading someone for not having the same opinion is not fine. You overemphasize 'getting the thread going'. The thread is going to get going regardless of any person posting sooner or later on day 1. If I wanted I could also post a ton of open questions to 'get the thread going' but that's not the point. The point of discussion is to provide insight.
Now that abuse has posted his list of reads I think he's town. I think he has put a massive effort into solving this game. The only thing I don't like is he omguses me, but that's fine I can live with that.
##Unvote
A reread of meatpudding's analysis and follow-up to my post seems to indicate he is town.
Also for those saying I just jumped into the thread randomly, that's how I roll, you can see my other games in the TL mafia database and I do this every game regardless of alignment. I am just not a high volume poster. I also happen to live in Australia where kangaroos live and where your night is my day.
So you read a post of mp, called him abuses scumbuddy, get called out for it not being valid, read some more posts to see, that you couldn't hold up your point and retract instantly? Why didn't you bother with reading first and posting after?
On August 27 2014 23:21 gobbledydook wrote: And if you want to lynch me that's fine. When I flip 'Princess Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty' as I claimed, then we know who's been misrepresenting my words and pushing for a mislynch.
So you are trying to scare people away from voting to lynch you by saying "Don't vote for me, cause if you do, everybody will know I am a princess, which makes you scum?"
Your overall appearance here in this thread looks pretty bad up until now. You hop in, you post some stuff, put a vote down, shortly afterwards take back everything you said, don't answer any question directed at you and on top of it all, you also explain that we shouldn't expect any more out of you, since this you are not a high volume poster and just randomly hop in and out of threads? Where is your effort to solve this game? I can't see it and the way you put it, you make it look like you are also not very interested in putting any effort into it.
##vote gobbledydook
I think you will find your scumhunting approach incorrect. Usually the assholes get lynched and flip town. It's because mafia have nothing to gain by insulting everyone. The mafia's greatest hope is that everyone forgets about them.
On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote: Marry I'm not quite ready to marry someone yet, but I do have a keen eye for Barakos. How about we do a temporary engagement. Will you be my lovely bride?
As tempting as it sounds to have you as my bastion of light, hope and all that is good in this world of wickedness... I am afraid I can't fully commit to being your bride right now.
But let's talk some more and see, where it goes from here, shall we?
You say lilwade is playing like last game and therefore have him in your banglist for now, even though he isn't very active. And at the same time your feeling about meatpudding is, that he plays a different game as last time, yet still you give him enough credit to put him on your banglist - at least for a one night stand. So my question is - why do you treat both the same, while only one of them is behaving as he used to do in the last game?
It's really simple actually. Meat is scummy because I don't recognize this side of him, but his logic and his reads makes sense to me even if I don't agree fully on them. I like his approach to the game.
lilwade is acting the same, and although he's not contributed much, I don't feel ready to lynch him this day due to something I noticed that I don't feel comfortable sharing right now.
On August 27 2014 21:36 gobbledydook wrote: What's wrong with proposing a scumduo? If you don't agree, that's fine, but scumreading someone for not having the same opinion is not fine. You overemphasize 'getting the thread going'. The thread is going to get going regardless of any person posting sooner or later on day 1. If I wanted I could also post a ton of open questions to 'get the thread going' but that's not the point. The point of discussion is to provide insight.
Now that abuse has posted his list of reads I think he's town. I think he has put a massive effort into solving this game. The only thing I don't like is he omguses me, but that's fine I can live with that.
##Unvote
A reread of meatpudding's analysis and follow-up to my post seems to indicate he is town.
Also for those saying I just jumped into the thread randomly, that's how I roll, you can see my other games in the TL mafia database and I do this every game regardless of alignment. I am just not a high volume poster. I also happen to live in Australia where kangaroos live and where your night is my day.
So you read a post of mp, called him abuses scumbuddy, get called out for it not being valid, read some more posts to see, that you couldn't hold up your point and retract instantly? Why didn't you bother with reading first and posting after?
On August 27 2014 23:21 gobbledydook wrote: And if you want to lynch me that's fine. When I flip 'Princess Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty' as I claimed, then we know who's been misrepresenting my words and pushing for a mislynch.
So you are trying to scare people away from voting to lynch you by saying "Don't vote for me, cause if you do, everybody will know I am a princess, which makes you scum?"
Your overall appearance here in this thread looks pretty bad up until now. You hop in, you post some stuff, put a vote down, shortly afterwards take back everything you said, don't answer any question directed at you and on top of it all, you also explain that we shouldn't expect any more out of you, since this you are not a high volume poster and just randomly hop in and out of threads? Where is your effort to solve this game? I can't see it and the way you put it, you make it look like you are also not very interested in putting any effort into it.
##vote gobbledydook
I think you will find your scumhunting approach incorrect. Usually the assholes get lynched and flip town. It's because mafia have nothing to gain by insulting everyone. The mafia's greatest hope is that everyone forgets about them.
Care to substantiate your case on me a bit more? Furthermore, why are you voting now?
On August 27 2014 05:00 lilwade wrote: With classes starting getting anywhere is a huge pain but, Here is my perspective from the last 12 hours.
1) Jenny you have started strong again but apart from last game you have come off way stronger this time around, maybe overcompensating to try to appear like you start every game the same, I am not sure. you are probably on my bang list for now, you know how I hate to commit to marry. What are your thoughts on MihZaaa?
2) Superbia despite your post that was longer than my last college paper I feel you are doing your best to seek out scum and test the waters and I think no mafia would have gone to lengths to provide what you did albeit in a poorly formatted manner. For the most part I think your genuine, but I still have my doubts on the quality of your reads.
3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse?
4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated?
5) abuse I think that every mafia game we have atleast 1 person (you), to start of the game with classic reaction questions and I like it tbh, Myself you can call me Town Hero for I will seek out scum so none of our beautiful princesses have to die. I was hoping to get a character that I could add a lot of flavor with but I was unfamiliar with how to go about it.
As for my thoughts on you I think you are spending a little to much time defending rather than advancing and I do not like that. What can you bring to the table that will get the game on the right track aside from your first post.
Anyone I didnt mention was not worth mentioning and you need to be worried about that because I will be waiting to hear from you.
A cursory reread makes me feel the absence of lilwade. Look at this post. It feels...noncommittal doesn't it. So the problem with being noncommittal is that scum generally want to leave their options open so they can't be held responsible.
He follows up with a disapproval on my manner of entering the thread which is partly based on a misread. He disappears afterwards:
I would lynch lilwade but I think superbia is better.
On August 27 2014 05:00 lilwade wrote: With classes starting getting anywhere is a huge pain but, Here is my perspective from the last 12 hours.
1) Jenny you have started strong again but apart from last game you have come off way stronger this time around, maybe overcompensating to try to appear like you start every game the same, I am not sure. you are probably on my bang list for now, you know how I hate to commit to marry. What are your thoughts on MihZaaa?
2) Superbia despite your post that was longer than my last college paper I feel you are doing your best to seek out scum and test the waters and I think no mafia would have gone to lengths to provide what you did albeit in a poorly formatted manner. For the most part I think your genuine, but I still have my doubts on the quality of your reads.
3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse?
4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated?
5) abuse I think that every mafia game we have atleast 1 person (you), to start of the game with classic reaction questions and I like it tbh, Myself you can call me Town Hero for I will seek out scum so none of our beautiful princesses have to die. I was hoping to get a character that I could add a lot of flavor with but I was unfamiliar with how to go about it.
As for my thoughts on you I think you are spending a little to much time defending rather than advancing and I do not like that. What can you bring to the table that will get the game on the right track aside from your first post.
Anyone I didnt mention was not worth mentioning and you need to be worried about that because I will be waiting to hear from you.
A cursory reread makes me feel the absence of lilwade. Look at this post. It feels...noncommittal doesn't it. So the problem with being noncommittal is that scum generally want to leave their options open so they can't be held responsible.
He follows up with a disapproval on my manner of entering the thread which is partly based on a misread. He disappears afterwards:
I would lynch lilwade but I think superbia is better.
First off my initial read is that you rushed head first into it rather than getting others opinions, It came from nowhere and I still think it was poorly accused, yes I had trouble with your fail quote post but I admitted that. As for lynching you I do not think you are my prime candidate. So I have my opinion on who is town at the moment but that wont get the game moving forward, from all of the filters ive read my top scum right now is...
Following it up with a response to lilwade asking about me and superbia, and this is very minor but he, instead of saying what he said in previous post that we are in his towncircle, he decides to phrase it as a "no lynch zone", which felt a bit off.
I had a no lynch zone but not a full town list yet. I was expecting the others to talk more so I can get a clearer mafia read instead of a "least town" read I had on abuse.
He then had his lengthy post where he seemed extremely defensive, but he brought up some good parts as well that I can agree on. But the general feel I got from his lengthy post was that all the commented on was things that was about him, concerned him or was good for his play, which to me felt scummy.
I talked about things concerning me because that's where I have the most valuable input. Not only that but I wasn't giving my thoughts in regards to Superbia's reads on others that much because I was interested in their unadulterated answer/reaction more.
Here you can see him flip flop around he claims his least town was "abuse" after the gobbledydook posts and yet he still comes in with the one liner post voting for gobbledydook. A person that does not have their own opinion is more detrimental to town than anything else. His filter kinda jumps around from person to person and doesnt really give scum insight.
On August 28 2014 07:00 JennyHell wrote: It's really simple actually. Meat is scummy because I don't recognize this side of him, but his logic and his reads makes sense to me even if I don't agree fully on them. I like his approach to the game.
lilwade is acting the same, and although he's not contributed much, I don't feel ready to lynch him this day due to something I noticed that I don't feel comfortable sharing right now.
I can relate to your point on meatpudding, since i got the same feeling about his logic and even though he didn't post much, his answer to the question i had for him helped me see, where I missunderstood abuse.
I got mixed feelings about lilwade. His entrancepost seemed sloppy to me, since he seemed to have missed some posts but he mentioned he was under some kind of stress because school. Looking forward to see what it is, that caught your eye - maybe it will help me read him a little better.
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On August 27 2014 05:00 lilwade wrote: With classes starting getting anywhere is a huge pain but, Here is my perspective from the last 12 hours.
1) Jenny you have started strong again but apart from last game you have come off way stronger this time around, maybe overcompensating to try to appear like you start every game the same, I am not sure. you are probably on my bang list for now, you know how I hate to commit to marry. What are your thoughts on MihZaaa?
2) Superbia despite your post that was longer than my last college paper I feel you are doing your best to seek out scum and test the waters and I think no mafia would have gone to lengths to provide what you did albeit in a poorly formatted manner. For the most part I think your genuine, but I still have my doubts on the quality of your reads.
3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse?
4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated?
5) abuse I think that every mafia game we have atleast 1 person (you), to start of the game with classic reaction questions and I like it tbh, Myself you can call me Town Hero for I will seek out scum so none of our beautiful princesses have to die. I was hoping to get a character that I could add a lot of flavor with but I was unfamiliar with how to go about it.
As for my thoughts on you I think you are spending a little to much time defending rather than advancing and I do not like that. What can you bring to the table that will get the game on the right track aside from your first post.
Anyone I didnt mention was not worth mentioning and you need to be worried about that because I will be waiting to hear from you.
A cursory reread makes me feel the absence of lilwade. Look at this post. It feels...noncommittal doesn't it. So the problem with being noncommittal is that scum generally want to leave their options open so they can't be held responsible.
He follows up with a disapproval on my manner of entering the thread which is partly based on a misread. He disappears afterwards:
I would lynch lilwade but I think superbia is better.
First off my initial read is that you rushed head first into it rather than getting others opinions, It came from nowhere and I still think it was poorly accused, yes I had trouble with your fail quote post but I admitted that. As for lynching you I do not think you are my prime candidate. So I have my opinion on who is town at the moment but that wont get the game moving forward, from all of the filters ive read my top scum right now is...
Following it up with a response to lilwade asking about me and superbia, and this is very minor but he, instead of saying what he said in previous post that we are in his towncircle, he decides to phrase it as a "no lynch zone", which felt a bit off.
I had a no lynch zone but not a full town list yet. I was expecting the others to talk more so I can get a clearer mafia read instead of a "least town" read I had on abuse.
He then had his lengthy post where he seemed extremely defensive, but he brought up some good parts as well that I can agree on. But the general feel I got from his lengthy post was that all the commented on was things that was about him, concerned him or was good for his play, which to me felt scummy.
I talked about things concerning me because that's where I have the most valuable input. Not only that but I wasn't giving my thoughts in regards to Superbia's reads on others that much because I was interested in their unadulterated answer/reaction more.
Here you can see him flip flop around he claims his least town was "abuse" after the gobbledydook posts and yet he still comes in with the one liner post voting for gobbledydook. A person that does not have their own opinion is more detrimental to town than anything else. His filter kinda jumps around from person to person and doesnt really give scum insight.
##vote MihZaaa
Glad you showed up. Still thinking about your case.
You'd be desperate too if you were about to be mislynched. Everyone has a different reaction when put on the noose. Desperation, or the lack of it, is simply not alignment indicative. Can't count how many times the 'desperate person' flipped town and then I was like welp dun goofed.
Right now I dont feel like either Gobbledydook or superbia are good day 1 lynches, Out of the 2 I would probably go with gobbledydook. Jenny do you think that these two are the right for the bandwagon???
daydreamarine basically for being the least active person in this thread so far, so this isn't a scumread, I just got nothing from him, while other candidates for position 3 (lilwade, meatpudding), contributed with the few posts they made.
On August 27 2014 05:00 lilwade wrote: With classes starting getting anywhere is a huge pain but, Here is my perspective from the last 12 hours.
1) Jenny you have started strong again but apart from last game you have come off way stronger this time around, maybe overcompensating to try to appear like you start every game the same, I am not sure. you are probably on my bang list for now, you know how I hate to commit to marry. What are your thoughts on MihZaaa?
2) Superbia despite your post that was longer than my last college paper I feel you are doing your best to seek out scum and test the waters and I think no mafia would have gone to lengths to provide what you did albeit in a poorly formatted manner. For the most part I think your genuine, but I still have my doubts on the quality of your reads.
3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse?
4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated?
5) abuse I think that every mafia game we have atleast 1 person (you), to start of the game with classic reaction questions and I like it tbh, Myself you can call me Town Hero for I will seek out scum so none of our beautiful princesses have to die. I was hoping to get a character that I could add a lot of flavor with but I was unfamiliar with how to go about it.
As for my thoughts on you I think you are spending a little to much time defending rather than advancing and I do not like that. What can you bring to the table that will get the game on the right track aside from your first post.
Anyone I didnt mention was not worth mentioning and you need to be worried about that because I will be waiting to hear from you.
A cursory reread makes me feel the absence of lilwade. Look at this post. It feels...noncommittal doesn't it. So the problem with being noncommittal is that scum generally want to leave their options open so they can't be held responsible.
He follows up with a disapproval on my manner of entering the thread which is partly based on a misread. He disappears afterwards:
I would lynch lilwade but I think superbia is better.
First off my initial read is that you rushed head first into it rather than getting others opinions, It came from nowhere and I still think it was poorly accused, yes I had trouble with your fail quote post but I admitted that. As for lynching you I do not think you are my prime candidate. So I have my opinion on who is town at the moment but that wont get the game moving forward, from all of the filters ive read my top scum right now is...
Following it up with a response to lilwade asking about me and superbia, and this is very minor but he, instead of saying what he said in previous post that we are in his towncircle, he decides to phrase it as a "no lynch zone", which felt a bit off.
I had a no lynch zone but not a full town list yet. I was expecting the others to talk more so I can get a clearer mafia read instead of a "least town" read I had on abuse.
He then had his lengthy post where he seemed extremely defensive, but he brought up some good parts as well that I can agree on. But the general feel I got from his lengthy post was that all the commented on was things that was about him, concerned him or was good for his play, which to me felt scummy.
I talked about things concerning me because that's where I have the most valuable input. Not only that but I wasn't giving my thoughts in regards to Superbia's reads on others that much because I was interested in their unadulterated answer/reaction more.
Here you can see him flip flop around he claims his least town was "abuse" after the gobbledydook posts and yet he still comes in with the one liner post voting for gobbledydook. A person that does not have their own opinion is more detrimental to town than anything else. His filter kinda jumps around from person to person and doesnt really give scum insight.
##vote MihZaaa
I failed to arrive at the same conclusion as you. I am pretty sure he placed me second on the kill list after abuse. That was before abuse's burst of activity. He had explained the discrepancy already. Given his first scum read is no longer a scumread it's natural he votes me.
On August 28 2014 07:26 Superbia wrote: That's.. good? I'm not in your top 3 lynches? I'm assuming you were just pushing on me to get a better read or something?
Like I said as a response to your answers, you made me rethink my stance on you. And you're gaining more and more ground as this day is coming to an end.
On August 28 2014 07:35 lilwade wrote: Right now I dont feel like either Gobbledydook or superbia are good day 1 lynches, Out of the 2 I would probably go with gobbledydook. Jenny do you think that these two are the right for the bandwagon???
Like I've said before, I've flipped my read on Superbia, I think I misread his super crazy logictrain as scummy when in hindsight it's probably just donkey town. Later on he's been much more towny and I'm now feeling ok with him. I do NOT think that Superbia should be one of the wagons.
On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote: I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.
To be honest I think we should vote you. I don't like how you've been playing this at all. You seem to barely read any of the posts, and you make unsubstantiated votes, simply basing it on an existing wagon. You've given no original content, and I don't like it. I don't know how anyone can be this scummy on day 1. I think you may be town because of it, but I don't think you live here, unless you give a great defense.
On August 28 2014 07:35 lilwade wrote: Right now I dont feel like either Gobbledydook or superbia are good day 1 lynches, Out of the 2 I would probably go with gobbledydook. Jenny do you think that these two are the right for the bandwagon???
Like I've said before, I've flipped my read on Superbia, I think I misread his super crazy logictrain as scummy when in hindsight it's probably just donkey town. Later on he's been much more towny and I'm now feeling ok with him. I do NOT think that Superbia should be one of the wagons.
You're a donkey. I was trying to make shit happen, you can think what you want, maybe I made a miss-play, but please don't dismiss my opinion in the future. Thanks.
On August 28 2014 07:35 lilwade wrote: Right now I dont feel like either Gobbledydook or superbia are good day 1 lynches, Out of the 2 I would probably go with gobbledydook. Jenny do you think that these two are the right for the bandwagon???
Like I've said before, I've flipped my read on Superbia, I think I misread his super crazy logictrain as scummy when in hindsight it's probably just donkey town. Later on he's been much more towny and I'm now feeling ok with him. I do NOT think that Superbia should be one of the wagons.
You're a donkey. I was trying to make shit happen, you can think what you want, maybe I made a miss-play, but please don't dismiss my opinion in the future. Thanks.
On August 28 2014 07:35 lilwade wrote: Right now I dont feel like either Gobbledydook or superbia are good day 1 lynches, Out of the 2 I would probably go with gobbledydook. Jenny do you think that these two are the right for the bandwagon???
So i consciously did not make a read on lilwade, dook and daydreammarine because at the time i did not feel that i had anything tot alk about for the three of them and felt there was no reason at all to try and make up a read. Things have changed now so here we go.
Gobbleydook I really did not like his inital push on meatpudding and abuse. It seemed like he only read enough to get a scum read and then decided it would be a good idea to post. While this being careless might actually mean that he is town and not mafia as a member of the scum probably wouldnt come out so fast and hard against two of the more active members of the town.
I think you will find your scumhunting approach incorrect. Usually the assholes get lynched and flip town. It's because mafia have nothing to gain by insulting everyone. The mafia's greatest hope is that everyone forgets about them.
I don't like this, it feels like your just giving yourself an excuse to act like a dick. You then go onto give a reason you think lilwade is scummy but say superbia is scummy for no reason i can find, care to explain?
On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote: I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.
I'll be keeping my vote on you for now... for the same reasons, I had earlier. You don't actually contribute and just follow trends at the moment without any own well-thought reasoning behind it. I accept the risk of you flipping town at the end but the way you are playing right now, will not help us in the future.
On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote: I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.
To be honest I think we should vote you. I don't like how you've been playing this at all. You seem to barely read any of the posts, and you make unsubstantiated votes, simply basing it on an existing wagon. You've given no original content, and I don't like it. I don't know how anyone can be this scummy on day 1. I think you may be town because of it, but I don't think you live here, unless you give a great defense.
##vote: gobbledydook
my response is fuck you im done here see you after the game when you get the mafia victory post
On August 28 2014 07:58 JennyHell wrote: Two hours left and we still haven't sorted out proper wagons. This is atrocious! It's like a playground for mafia!
Obvious wagons would be dook and bresh. I think we have a good chance of hitting mafia between those two. But if we miss, I'm not sure how much info we can gain out of the votes on these two wagons.
On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote: I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.
To be honest I think we should vote you. I don't like how you've been playing this at all. You seem to barely read any of the posts, and you make unsubstantiated votes, simply basing it on an existing wagon. You've given no original content, and I don't like it. I don't know how anyone can be this scummy on day 1. I think you may be town because of it, but I don't think you live here, unless you give a great defense.
##vote: gobbledydook
my response is fuck you im done here see you after the game when you get the mafia victory post
I don't even know what this is. I think we definitely hit here.
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On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote: I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.
To be honest I think we should vote you. I don't like how you've been playing this at all. You seem to barely read any of the posts, and you make unsubstantiated votes, simply basing it on an existing wagon. You've given no original content, and I don't like it. I don't know how anyone can be this scummy on day 1. I think you may be town because of it, but I don't think you live here, unless you give a great defense.
##vote: gobbledydook
my response is fuck you im done here see you after the game when you get the mafia victory post
After this I don't give a shit whether he is town or mafia. I want him gone.
lilwade I have liked all of lilwades posts. I agreed with most of his reads in post 109. I also liked his reactions to dooks first few posts and the fact that he didn't push too aggressively when he misread the one with stuffed up quotes. Although why when talking about day 1 lynches do you not suggest the person you are currently voting for? Is this because you don't think they would get the required votes?
On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote: I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.
To be honest I think we should vote you. I don't like how you've been playing this at all. You seem to barely read any of the posts, and you make unsubstantiated votes, simply basing it on an existing wagon. You've given no original content, and I don't like it. I don't know how anyone can be this scummy on day 1. I think you may be town because of it, but I don't think you live here, unless you give a great defense.
##vote: gobbledydook
my response is fuck you im done here see you after the game when you get the mafia victory post
After this I don't give a shit whether he is town or mafia. I want him gone.
lilwade, you were here a while ago. Can you move over to a different wagon? Your vote isn't going to happen. I am not feeling comfortable with Superbia being voted on. Not today.. Can we remove the wagon from him and move it to someone else? I really don't like how this ending of the day is panning out.
On August 28 2014 08:08 JennyHell wrote: lilwade, you were here a while ago. Can you move over to a different wagon? Your vote isn't going to happen. I am not feeling comfortable with Superbia being voted on. Not today.. Can we remove the wagon from him and move it to someone else? I really don't like how this ending of the day is panning out.
gulp well that escalated quickly, jenny i dont have mafia partners becaise ...... wait for it I Am Town I wholeheartedly agree that im not providing much original content and to you guys my reads must seem fairly general and not providing much if any insight. While i dont disagree with dook saying im useless i don't so how being so abrupt is useful at all
On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote: I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.
To be honest I think we should vote you. I don't like how you've been playing this at all. You seem to barely read any of the posts, and you make unsubstantiated votes, simply basing it on an existing wagon. You've given no original content, and I don't like it. I don't know how anyone can be this scummy on day 1. I think you may be town because of it, but I don't think you live here, unless you give a great defense.
##vote: gobbledydook
my response is fuck you im done here see you after the game when you get the mafia victory post
You can fuck right off with this post.
My top 3 scum are MihZaaa, Dreamweaver and Gobbledick with his last post.
Can people stop using the F-word please! This is bang out of order and should not exist, especially not in a newbie game. Take all the bad attitude and get it out of here.
Gobble - The way you've been acting is just making things worse. It's making people read you scummy. Resorting to bad manner instead of trying to explain yourself is not a good town play. Why won't you even give it a try?
On August 28 2014 08:13 JennyHell wrote: Can people stop using the F-word please! This is bang out of order and should not exist, especially not in a newbie game. Take all the bad attitude and get it out of here.
Gobble - The way you've been acting is just making things worse. It's making people read you scummy. Resorting to bad manner instead of trying to explain yourself is not a good town play. Why won't you even give it a try?
Jenny, getting people angry is actually a legitimate strategy in the game. Though I don't think it really applies here. I don't know what this self-destruct play is.
Why am I the only one voting for mafia here?! Everyone else is voting on this pissed off guy just because he's being bad mannered. I wouldn't be surprised if his horrible attitude is him being annoyed as town. I want the bad manner gone as well, but don't forget we are trying to scumhunt here!
On August 28 2014 08:13 JennyHell wrote: Can people stop using the F-word please! This is bang out of order and should not exist, especially not in a newbie game. Take all the bad attitude and get it out of here.
Gobble - The way you've been acting is just making things worse. It's making people read you scummy. Resorting to bad manner instead of trying to explain yourself is not a good town play. Why won't you even give it a try?
Jenny, getting people angry is actually a legitimate strategy in the game. Though I don't think it really applies here. I don't know what this self-destruct play is.
That's what I'm saying.. noone's actually done anything that would spark this out of a mafia. I'm scared he's town and people are making a mistake!
On August 28 2014 08:14 Breshke wrote: Ohh and i forgot this Towncircle abuse lilwade meatpudding
Scum MihZaa Gobbledydook
Everyone else not leaning enough either way for me yet
How can you have a null on 4 people?
I have null on 3 people right? its 9 player game is my maths wrong? I think is ridiculous that anyone claims a read on daydreammarine they have had like one post. And my read on you and superbia arnt exactly neutral, you are leaning town for me jenny but i didnt want to put you in my town circle whereas superbia is leaning mafia but in no way do i want to lynch him today
On August 28 2014 08:17 JennyHell wrote: Why am I the only one voting for mafia here?! Everyone else is voting on this pissed off guy just because he's being bad mannered. I wouldn't be surprised if his horrible attitude is him being annoyed as town. I want the bad manner gone as well, but don't forget we are trying to scumhunt here!
I'm scumreading him. I'm fine with lynching Breshke here. But dook takes priority, in my opinion. There is no way someone gets this angry so fast. He just fucking rolled over. No defense, no nothing. I think this is just a play.
On August 28 2014 08:14 Breshke wrote: Ohh and i forgot this Towncircle abuse lilwade meatpudding
Scum MihZaa Gobbledydook
Everyone else not leaning enough either way for me yet
How can you have a null on 4 people?
I have null on 3 people right? its 9 player game is my maths wrong? I think is ridiculous that anyone claims a read on daydreammarine they have had like one post. And my read on you and superbia arnt exactly neutral, you are leaning town for me jenny but i didnt want to put you in my town circle whereas superbia is leaning mafia but in no way do i want to lynch him today
Nice dumbtelling there... Your mafia teammate is also a player in the game ya know.. And you should definitely out your leans as well, because otherwise it is extremely hard to read you. I mentioned earlier in the game that we should try to keep the nulls on the low side because it gets difficult for town to read other town if they aren't willing to actually place people in neatly lined up folders.
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On August 28 2014 08:13 JennyHell wrote: Can people stop using the F-word please! This is bang out of order and should not exist, especially not in a newbie game. Take all the bad attitude and get it out of here.
Gobble - The way you've been acting is just making things worse. It's making people read you scummy. Resorting to bad manner instead of trying to explain yourself is not a good town play. Why won't you even give it a try?
I did. No one listened. Wrote off what I said as useless. If no one is going to listen to me anyway why should I try
On August 28 2014 08:13 JennyHell wrote: Can people stop using the F-word please! This is bang out of order and should not exist, especially not in a newbie game. Take all the bad attitude and get it out of here.
Gobble - The way you've been acting is just making things worse. It's making people read you scummy. Resorting to bad manner instead of trying to explain yourself is not a good town play. Why won't you even give it a try?
I did. No one listened. Wrote off what I said as useless. If no one is going to listen to me anyway why should I try
Oh sorry this s my bad i totally forgot to put barakos into my town circle but he is there. While i understand the need to keep nulls on the low said isnt the "bang" in bang marry kill basically saying someone is leaning town?
On August 28 2014 08:13 JennyHell wrote: Can people stop using the F-word please! This is bang out of order and should not exist, especially not in a newbie game. Take all the bad attitude and get it out of here.
Gobble - The way you've been acting is just making things worse. It's making people read you scummy. Resorting to bad manner instead of trying to explain yourself is not a good town play. Why won't you even give it a try?
I did. No one listened. Wrote off what I said as useless. If no one is going to listen to me anyway why should I try
Because even if you feel like noone is listening you should definitely try try try and try again. If you are dying now, then don't let your last time alive be fruitless. Scumhunt, get your reads out there. Make people realize at least further down the line that they were wrong, being able to get back to your posts, and make new calculations of the game based on that new information. Giving up is the absolute worst thing ever, especially if one is VT, because people think that "Oh VT have no important role" wrong. It's a numbers game. If we keep our numbers up it'll increase our chances of outliving the mafia.
On August 28 2014 08:14 Breshke wrote: Ohh and i forgot this Towncircle abuse lilwade meatpudding
Scum MihZaa Gobbledydook
Everyone else not leaning enough either way for me yet
How can you have a null on 4 people?
I have null on 3 people right? its 9 player game is my maths wrong? I think is ridiculous that anyone claims a read on daydreammarine they have had like one post. And my read on you and superbia arnt exactly neutral, you are leaning town for me jenny but i didnt want to put you in my town circle whereas superbia is leaning mafia but in no way do i want to lynch him today
We are 10... so since you wont have a read on yourself there are 4 people missing on your list: me, superbia, daydreamarine and jenny
But do you care how your change of heart considering meatpudding comes? Last thing you wrote about him before asking your question about the vanilla town claims was, that you feel you should have a townread on him but you don't.
On August 28 2014 08:31 Barakos wrote: nvm - way too slow...
But do you care how your change of heart considering meatpudding comes? Last thing you wrote about him before asking your question about the vanilla town claims was, that you feel you should have a townread on him but you don't.
What changed your mind?
Someone else i believe it was superbia pointed out that others claimed VT aswell. Im not a fan of people claiming VT as it jsut narrows down mafias kill zone but when half the game seems to do it then it loses its credibility. On top of that i like how he reacted to dooks push on him and abuse
While this being careless might actually mean that he is town and not mafia as a member of the scum probably wouldnt come out so fast and hard against two of the more active members of the town.
On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote: I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.
To be honest I think we should vote you. I don't like how you've been playing this at all. You seem to barely read any of the posts, and you make unsubstantiated votes, simply basing it on an existing wagon. You've given no original content, and I don't like it. I don't know how anyone can be this scummy on day 1. I think you may be town because of it, but I don't think you live here, unless you give a great defense.
##vote: gobbledydook
How about you vote on someone you actually think is mafia then?
On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote: I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.
I'll be keeping my vote on you for now... for the same reasons, I had earlier. You don't actually contribute and just follow trends at the moment without any own well-thought reasoning behind it. I accept the risk of you flipping town at the end but the way you are playing right now, will not help us in the future.
I know Barakos had strong reads on Gobble before so I feel his vote is the most justified, but all of you are voting on this guy even though you have caveats.
While this being careless might actually mean that he is town and not mafia as a member of the scum probably wouldnt come out so fast and hard against two of the more active members of the town.
On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote: I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.
To be honest I think we should vote you. I don't like how you've been playing this at all. You seem to barely read any of the posts, and you make unsubstantiated votes, simply basing it on an existing wagon. You've given no original content, and I don't like it. I don't know how anyone can be this scummy on day 1. I think you may be town because of it, but I don't think you live here, unless you give a great defense.
##vote: gobbledydook
How about you vote on someone you actually think is mafia then?
It's fear, nothing more. He has responded poorly (so far) so my vote is sticking.
While this being careless might actually mean that he is town and not mafia as a member of the scum probably wouldnt come out so fast and hard against two of the more active members of the town.
On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote: I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.
To be honest I think we should vote you. I don't like how you've been playing this at all. You seem to barely read any of the posts, and you make unsubstantiated votes, simply basing it on an existing wagon. You've given no original content, and I don't like it. I don't know how anyone can be this scummy on day 1. I think you may be town because of it, but I don't think you live here, unless you give a great defense.
##vote: gobbledydook
How about you vote on someone you actually think is mafia then?
On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote: I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.
I'll be keeping my vote on you for now... for the same reasons, I had earlier. You don't actually contribute and just follow trends at the moment without any own well-thought reasoning behind it. I accept the risk of you flipping town at the end but the way you are playing right now, will not help us in the future.
I know Barakos had strong reads on Gobble before so I feel his vote is the most justified, but all of you are voting on this guy even though you have caveats.
I agree i was looking on him with a towny light but he seemed to just flip out. I'm not going to lynch someone just because they get Bm so "oh he must be town" that sets a bad standard. If people don't understand your reads its your job to try and explain them.
On August 28 2014 07:35 lilwade wrote: Right now I dont feel like either Gobbledydook or superbia are good day 1 lynches, Out of the 2 I would probably go with gobbledydook. Jenny do you think that these two are the right for the bandwagon???
Like I've said before, I've flipped my read on Superbia, I think I misread his super crazy logictrain as scummy when in hindsight it's probably just donkey town. Later on he's been much more towny and I'm now feeling ok with him. I do NOT think that Superbia should be one of the wagons.
you mean this one?
My impression of jenny is she's a town that's trying very hard. She seems to be getting somewhere too. She is raising good points about the intentions of those who are voting me. Some of them don't put their actions where their words are.
On August 28 2014 08:30 gobbledydook wrote: my top lynches are superbia, breshke and lilwade. Reasons can be found in my filter.
what's your reason for lynching breshke besides him being the only realistic wagon besides you atm? Your filter mentions breshke not a single time before you suggest to lynch him instead of you.
On August 28 2014 07:35 lilwade wrote: Right now I dont feel like either Gobbledydook or superbia are good day 1 lynches, Out of the 2 I would probably go with gobbledydook. Jenny do you think that these two are the right for the bandwagon???
Like I've said before, I've flipped my read on Superbia, I think I misread his super crazy logictrain as scummy when in hindsight it's probably just donkey town. Later on he's been much more towny and I'm now feeling ok with him. I do NOT think that Superbia should be one of the wagons.
you mean this one?
My impression of jenny is she's a town that's trying very hard. She seems to be getting somewhere too. She is raising good points about the intentions of those who are voting me. Some of them don't put their actions where their words are.
and regarding your exact question, I don't really know either. The reason she gives is 'your posts looks townier', which is like the no. 1 reason for backing off a read so I wouldn't read anything into that.
On August 28 2014 08:30 gobbledydook wrote: my top lynches are superbia, breshke and lilwade. Reasons can be found in my filter.
what's your reason for lynching breshke besides him being the only realistic wagon besides you atm? Your filter mentions breshke not a single time before you suggest to lynch him instead of you.
he's useless, provides no insight, and seems happy to just be ignored and not questioned.
QUOTE]On August 28 2014 08:10 Breshke wrote: gulp well that escalated quickly, jenny i dont have mafia partners becaise ...... wait for it I Am Town I wholeheartedly agree that im not providing much original content and to you guys my reads must seem fairly general and not providing much if any insight. While i dont disagree with dook saying im useless i don't so how being so abrupt is useful at all
## Vote: gobbledydook
You may not be mafia but you are anti town[/QUOTE]
This just felt like you were saying you know he's not mafia.
What I don't like right now is how hard everyone was willing to go at gobble without questioning him at all. It wasn't until I started asking questions that other people did too.
No as someone pointed out i was starting to read gobbledydook as town hence why i said you may not be mafia. I do not like the fact that he just flipped out and for a time refused to give his reads this is ANTi TOWN It doesn't help us get anywhere.
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I can see the point of view where dook is town and just frustrated it makes sense to me, remember i was starting to read him as town. I was hasty and when he flipped out i had my own mini flip out of this guy has to go. I would put my vote somewhere else preferably Mihzaa but with the wagons seemingly being on himself and me i can't I know im town i don't know that about him
On August 28 2014 08:54 Breshke wrote: I can see the point of view where dook is town and just frustrated it makes sense to me, remember i was starting to read him as town. I was hasty and when he flipped out i had my own mini flip out of this guy has to go. I would put my vote somewhere else preferably Mihzaa but with the wagons seemingly being on himself and me i can't I know im town i don't know that about him
If you feel he is probably town and you'd rather try to move a wagon on to MihZaaaa, then I suggest you attempt to do so. It's way more towny to try to make people see their mistakes than just going with the flow because the rest feels fruitless.
superbia, next to peoples posts in the upper right hand corner there's a little text that says "filter" click it and you see all their posts in this topic.
On August 28 2014 09:06 JennyHell wrote: Superbia, do you still feel that gobble may be town but you're willing to vote for him anyways?
I think anyone may be town but I think dook is the best lynch here. He's been too scummy and his defense is too weak (appeal to emotion). I wish we could lynch both.
On August 28 2014 09:06 JennyHell wrote: Superbia, do you still feel that gobble may be town but you're willing to vote for him anyways?
I think anyone may be town but I think dook is the best lynch here. He's been too scummy and his defense is too weak (appeal to emotion). I wish we could lynch both.
On August 28 2014 09:06 JennyHell wrote: Superbia, do you still feel that gobble may be town but you're willing to vote for him anyways?
I think anyone may be town but I think dook is the best lynch here. He's been too scummy and his defense is too weak (appeal to emotion). I wish we could lynch both.
On August 28 2014 08:57 JennyHell wrote: lilwade, have your standpoint changed at all in the last couple of minutes?
First rule of mafia, dont get butthurt, I can definently see the scenario where gobbledysticks is town but his poor me town gonna lose attitude sucks. What happens when we give him the day pass today and then his name comes up again and he gets pushed? is he just gonna roll over again?
On August 28 2014 09:06 JennyHell wrote: Superbia, do you still feel that gobble may be town but you're willing to vote for him anyways?
I think anyone may be town but I think dook is the best lynch here. He's been too scummy and his defense is too weak (appeal to emotion). I wish we could lynch both.
Wouldn't it be more beneficial for town if we lynch a mafia today instead of a ragemonster that clearly overreacted but most people say it probably town yet still voting for?
I will make this clear I See MihZaaa as my scum, but I do not like people who are detrimental to town. I think gobbledydook needs to put on his big boy pants and play the game.
On August 28 2014 09:18 JennyHell wrote: Wouldn't it be more beneficial for town if we lynch a mafia today instead of a ragemonster that clearly overreacted but most people say it probably town yet still voting for?
Jenny what would you do if Breshke flips town tomorrow? Would you accept this kind of defense a second time?
On August 28 2014 09:18 JennyHell wrote: Wouldn't it be more beneficial for town if we lynch a mafia today instead of a ragemonster that clearly overreacted but most people say it probably town yet still voting for?
Jenny what would you do if Breshke flips town tomorrow? Would you accept this kind of defense a second time?
This doesn't make sense. As you can see Breshke is currently not even close to dying, although I'd prefer if he did. If he flips town I will have to go back, reread and see what I have missed and reform my thoughts based on the new info, like everyone should.
I don't know how this normally goes but i don't want to start a wagon on someone who doesnt seem to be here. Especially when dook won't even answer one question i'm asking him.
On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote: Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me?
To me he felt like annoyed town that flipped crazy balooba over something that I have no clue what.
Right now the only way I see him mafia is if you're partnered with him, since he went craycray after your vote on him and maybe it's a buss by his teammate. I dno..
On August 28 2014 09:22 Breshke wrote: I don't know how this normally goes but i don't want to start a wagon on someone who doesnt seem to be here. Especially when dook won't even answer one question i'm asking him.
I agree that he's not doing much to help his case right now. But voting on someone you think is town is really scummy and peculiar.
On August 28 2014 09:25 Breshke wrote: Jenny why are you alright with us voting Mihzaa?
It's not so much me being fine with you voting Mihzaaaa, although I am because he's part of those I've read scum earlier today, this is more about you currently having a vote on someone you say you read as possible town. It's outright dumb.
On August 28 2014 09:06 Breshke wrote: gobbledydook why did/do you want to lynch superbia. I kind of asked this before you have never given a reason for it.
you meant this questions? it's his blatant misrepresentation of abuse's posts in his 'thesis' which really doesn't sit well with me. You see how he cherry picks quotes out of context then assigns scum intentions to them? That's not solving the game, that's making someone look bad so you can mislynch him.
So by your stance on voting are saying that at the moment in your mind there is no chance of me being town?
Dook may be town but he may also be mafia, you have been fighting to save him more than he has and other than his first intial pushes he has hasnt explained his reads on anyone other than you.
On August 28 2014 09:31 Breshke wrote: So by your stance on voting are saying that at the moment in your mind there is no chance of me being town?
Dook may be town but he may also be mafia, you have been fighting to save him more than he has and other than his first intial pushes he has hasnt explained his reads on anyone other than you.
I am saying you are my top scum, hence I am voting for you.
On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote: Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me?
To me he felt like annoyed town that flipped crazy balooba over something that I have no clue what.
Right now the only way I see him mafia is if you're partnered with him, since he went craycray after your vote on him and maybe it's a buss by his teammate. I dno..
Too early to look at partnerships. I also felt like he may be getting bussed. He called the votes "straight-unanimous" (with only four votes?), which suggested to me that one of his mafia partners might have voted on him early to get some distance between them. I feel like if he flips mafia we may have a really easy game. Furthermore, he has been too scummy and his defense too crappy. Keeping him alive is donkey play (in my opinion).
On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote: Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me?
To me he felt like annoyed town that flipped crazy balooba over something that I have no clue what.
Right now the only way I see him mafia is if you're partnered with him, since he went craycray after your vote on him and maybe it's a buss by his teammate. I dno..
Too early to look at partnerships. I also felt like he may be getting bussed. He called the votes "straight-unanimous" (with only four votes?), which suggested to me that one of his mafia partners might have voted on him early to get some distance between them. I feel like if he flips mafia we may have a really easy game. Furthermore, he has been too scummy and his defense too crappy. Keeping him alive is donkey play (in my opinion).
How will your reads change if this guy flips town? Is it still donkey play to keep him alive and possibly instead having killed a mafia?
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On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote: Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me?
To me he felt like annoyed town that flipped crazy balooba over something that I have no clue what.
Right now the only way I see him mafia is if you're partnered with him, since he went craycray after your vote on him and maybe it's a buss by his teammate. I dno..
Too early to look at partnerships. I also felt like he may be getting bussed. He called the votes "straight-unanimous" (with only four votes?), which suggested to me that one of his mafia partners might have voted on him early to get some distance between them. I feel like if he flips mafia we may have a really easy game. Furthermore, he has been too scummy and his defense too crappy. Keeping him alive is donkey play (in my opinion).
How will your reads change if this guy flips town? Is it still donkey play to keep him alive and possibly instead having killed a mafia?
I will look towards Breshke, lilwayne and MihZaa (top of my head). I feel like dook is mafia. I wish I could kill both Breshke and dook and get a mafia kill and a shitload of information (maybe even a win). But there is no world in which dook should survive this lynch.
Abuse, MihZaa, feel free to re-evaluate your read on gobble. You've been inactive for a while and it's be fantastic if you were here for the end and managed to actually take part in this thing called mafia.
On August 28 2014 09:40 Breshke wrote: Jenny just so im clear why do you think im mafia, do you have any updated information after the last time you spoke on it.
Same reason as before. You do nothing for me and lately you've felt more like mafia than when I last gave my reads. I have put it out there and questioned you about it. So it should be clear to everyone by now.
Honestly the lack of people is disturbing. Lynch deadlines not important? If we miss here we should definitely look into the people not providing any content at the moment.
Jenny where did your townread of dook come from? Just from rereading a little he was second on your kill list for a moment there then suddenly you are defending him like he is your top town.
On August 28 2014 09:52 Breshke wrote: Jenny where did your townread of dook come from? Just from rereading a little he was second on your kill list for a moment there then suddenly you are defending him like he is your top town.
Don't get me wrong, he's not my top town. I just feel like the way everyone is so willing to pile on to him without even trying to push proper town agenda made me flip for today. Giving him a 1 day pass. It wasn't until I started to reel him back on the right path towards finding scum and telling us things that others started to seem like they cared too. I poked and prodded and searched and found that many of you read him as town and still voted for him. SCUMALERT! So I reacted the best way I know how, by going hard on you all to really make sure you knew what you were doing and were ok with it. Voting on someone you read as town is soooo dumb. Things flip quickly here in disneytopia and if you can't keep up, that's too bad.
And thus I stand on the precipice, below which is the void, the void of death and darkness. Somewhere in the deep dungeons of the evil castles the pretenders laugh wickedly: They have claimed an innocent life. Six more to go. We must find them. Cast them into the void. Avenge the asshole that is Aurora, who soon shall sleep forever. Breshke the Communist Revolutionary. He seeks to overthrow the Princesses and set up his proletariat dictatorship. He must be destroyed. Superbia the liar. He must have learned somewhat from Grima Wormtongue. He has poisoned the minds of those who are gullible. Together we may continue this proud royal heritage of Princessdom!
I'm ok with the lynch, but I really don't like how inactive this end of the day has been. I want to hear from our inactives tomorrow on why they didn't participate.
he princesses had arrived in front of the castle with only a few hours before sunset. There was a chill in the air that seemed to grow stronger as the long shadows of the castle’s towers grew longer. “But,” the princesses told themselves, “we were chosen for a reason.” And they had been. With night approaching the powers of the wicked were growing stronger. It was all the more reason for them to band together.
At first, they were all quite prim and proper, as would befit someone of their station. But as they spoke to each other, they felt a sense of unity and friendship. They laughed and smiled, and for a short time, they were able to forget the harsh truth of their mission.
But, it did not last. How could it? For even as they saw each other smile, they remembered the fairies’ words of warning. If the wicked could pose as them, surely they could pose as the other princesses as well. But… who?
Their discussions circled, until attention finally fell on gobbledydook. “I am sorry,” said one, then another, “but we must do our duty, and we cannot trust you. We must protect these lands.”
The magic they had been given swirled around them, bringing a new and fearsome light with it. The spell wrapped around gobbledydook slowly. As the magic seeped into her, she closed her eyes, drifting into a dream. The shadows gathered, and moments later she had vanished.
The world seemed... darker...
Gobbledygook has been lynched - Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty (Vanilla Town) has been banished!
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Everyone who were ok with this lynch needs to look back at everything that happened and figure things out. Re-evaluate the game. Take everything into consideration now that you KNOW that he was town.
Yeah, probably, but I felt strongly about the lynch, and would've never forgiven myself if I switched. It was just you pressuring me, and I was still unclear about your alignment.
I'm going to take a short break from this, I was pulling my hair off and busting my ass off trying to save gobble from being mislynched. I'll probably do something else for an hour or two, look back here and then go bed.
The Prince comes back from the local dark witchery forest after going on a hunt for evil and returns to his kingdom deep in the night. The moon shines brightly in all his glory but somehow the town seems silent... too silent. Suddenly he finds himself surrounded on the court of his wine yard by his fellow townsfolk who have blank stares in their eyes.
As his view falls upon a dead body hanging from a big oak tree in the near distance and he recognizes this man as one of his former neigbours, he questions himself why he was not there before this poor man was lynched.
Being a prince who seems too innocent, he knows he cannot survive much longer without providing an alibi, otherwise he might end up as the next victim of either the town or witch mob. Therfore he vvows to explain what his adjutants and himself have seen and heard before they mounted their horses. But for now he excuses himself to his bed room since a minor wound was inflicted upon him that needs immediate treatment.
Off character
I am thankful that I am still in the game and I will be more active after I wake up, before I go to work and when I come back tomorrow but Day 1 I spent mostly reading.
Thx Jenny for showing an interest into roleplaying since if nobody would appreciate roleplaying I would have had an even slower start with this game I think. If you other players mind my roleplaying I can hide it in a spoiler so the length of my posts is not too long.
If I would have been modkilled I would have searched another (Mafia) Game with more roleplaying but since I was given a second chance I want to live up to that chance and express my thoughts later in this day.
Daydreamarine, Your roleplaying is hilarious and I don't mind you doing it, but there are certain things you need to understand.
You HAVE to vote. Everyone must vote before the end of the day. You need to figure out the 2 people you think are the wicked ones. If they outlive the rest of us this game is over and we have lost. It's basically a communicative puzzle. Don't expect many people liking your roleplay, because it's so out of the ordinary, it could make them feel as if you are not focusing on the game and could potentially get you mislynched. So if you intend on keeping on with the roleplaying, don't forget to actually analyze the game in ways that even us non-roleplayers can understand. That way we can read you where you are coming from and get a better knowledge of wether or not you are one of the wicked ones.
You HAVE to vote. Everyone must vote before the end of the day. You need to figure out the 2 people you think are the wicked ones
I think I understand the rules better now but I had a bit of analysis paralysis (luckily the filter button got mentioned).
Don't expect many people liking your roleplay, because it's so out of the ordinary, it could make them feel as if you are not focusing on the game and could potentially get you mislynched.
Initially I did not understand how this can be a game that has a Disney Theme and characters that get assigned to players but no roleplaying part is included in the rules. But then I saw that the characters are only existing because of hidden roles and powers.
Anyway I am also off to bed now and hope I could clarify a bit why I was so inactive the first day.
Well shit. That certainly didn't turn out as I would have expected.
Huge compliment to Jenny for being the only one to defend gobbledydook, when even he himself failed to do so. I have to take a step back now to see, where i picked up that vibe in gobble, that made me so sure about him being scum, that I couldn't be persuaded off of him anymore. Mistakes were made on my side and I can't have that happen again D2.
First off, I will not be around ever for the end of the day. I have mentioned it before the game even started. Timezones are horrible for this game, the end of the day is at 4am for me and I can't afford being up at that time, considering I have work and I can't have an alarm going off to wake me up an hour before to catch up with 10+ pages of text, while waking up an angry girlfriend next to me.. Which brings me to this - @Mod, is it possible to maybe change the time when day starts/ends? We have a lot of europeans here.. Me, Superbia, Jenny, Barakos, Daydreamarine, Mihzaaa (honestly, how did the timezone vote even go in favor of this time?).. Pretty much everyone who had a good timezone for this (US, Australia) failed to even make an appearance at the end of day1, and even so - they are vastly outnumbered in this game..(Plus one of them got lynched just now) If not - maybe we can make an arrangement between ourselves, that we do the huge discussion part at a more acceptable time, when more people can participate? Some 4-6 hours before the deadline?
Now then - catchup post. Jenny- First off, I am very glad to see your comment on lilwade, welcome to the club
On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote: "Your activity is just as appalling as usual but there's something you said that I'm not even sure you know yourself yet."
Which brings me to the next point. Now that you have noticed it too. I have said this, when I first spoke of lilwade:
On August 27 2014 19:15 abuse wrote: lilwade My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now. As for the other things, what he says and analyzes are to my liking, though they are not anything big in particular. I like his jump on gobbledygook. I am a little concerned about one thing wade said, but will not bring it to light yet, as I need more info. Either way - If the tables would suddenly turn in this thread, I would not be okay with lynching him today.
Here, I clearly say, that I will not bring this to light yet. What do you think of Mihzaaa asking me this soon after? :
My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now.
This was in regards to lilwade. Can you elaborate your read on him?
Jenny is town for me, following her active defense of gobbely, who flipped town, there is absolutely no way in hell anyone should be reading her as scum now.
daydreamarine, you have to step it up . Please read all of the pages and get up to speed with everything and give us some valid input. We already had one person who... did not play as town should have and got lynched for it. Another person not living up to even the most basic standards is more than town can afford with such a low playercount.
Superbia, please get your head out of your butt. there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer.
On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote: Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me?
Are you kidding me? The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this.
As for due to other's points on them, Breshke and Mihzaa have gone down in the list for me towards null-maybe-scum territory, Would be willing explore their play deeper. lilwade, can you please elaborate and explain your read on Mihzaaa? Jenny, can you do the same for Breshke, except for him not giving info on everyone at once, and having a null on 4 people? While I do not like that he did not give reads on everyone but just on a few people, as I have mentioned before. And I don't really mind with having a null read on 4 people, what I do mind though, is not telling others that you have 4 null reads, instead of not mentioning these 4 at all.
On August 28 2014 16:57 abuse wrote: First off, I will not be around ever for the end of the day. I have mentioned it before the game even started. Timezones are horrible for this game, the end of the day is at 4am for me and I can't afford being up at that time, considering I have work and I can't have an alarm going off to wake me up an hour before to catch up with 10+ pages of text, while waking up an angry girlfriend next to me.. Which brings me to this - @Mod, is it possible to maybe change the time when day starts/ends? We have a lot of europeans here.. Me, Superbia, Jenny, Barakos, Daydreamarine, Mihzaaa (honestly, how did the timezone vote even go in favor of this time?).. Pretty much everyone who had a good timezone for this (US, Australia) failed to even make an appearance at the end of day1, and even so - they are vastly outnumbered in this game..(Plus one of them got lynched just now) If not - maybe we can make an arrangement between ourselves, that we do the huge discussion part at a more acceptable time, when more people can participate? Some 4-6 hours before the deadline?
Now then - catchup post. Jenny- First off, I am very glad to see your comment on lilwade, welcome to the club
On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote: "Your activity is just as appalling as usual but there's something you said that I'm not even sure you know yourself yet."
Which brings me to the next point. Now that you have noticed it too. I have said this, when I first spoke of lilwade:
On August 27 2014 19:15 abuse wrote: lilwade My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now. As for the other things, what he says and analyzes are to my liking, though they are not anything big in particular. I like his jump on gobbledygook. I am a little concerned about one thing wade said, but will not bring it to light yet, as I need more info. Either way - If the tables would suddenly turn in this thread, I would not be okay with lynching him today.
Here, I clearly say, that I will not bring this to light yet. What do you think of Mihzaaa asking me this soon after? :
My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now.
This was in regards to lilwade. Can you elaborate your read on him?
Jenny is town for me, following her active defense of gobbely, who flipped town, there is absolutely no way in hell anyone should be reading her as scum now.
Posts about others comming up.
Leaving this to Amiko. But I will say that the deadline MUST work for the host, while it is only ideal that it work for any player.
I would also recommend using the Question Font instead of just bold next time so we see it; I skim, I don't read. Hosting duties extend beyond keeping up with the game and votes and etc. believe it or not.... However we are here to serve your game too which is why dat vt font exists :D
On August 28 2014 17:17 abuse wrote: As for due to other's points on them, Breshke and Mihzaa have gone down in the list for me towards null-maybe-scum territory, Would be willing explore their play deeper. lilwade, can you please elaborate and explain your read on Mihzaaa? Jenny, can you do the same for Breshke, except for him not giving info on everyone at once, and having a null on 4 people? While I do not like that he did not give reads on everyone but just on a few people, as I have mentioned before. And I don't really mind with having a null read on 4 people, what I do mind though, is not telling others that you have 4 null reads, instead of not mentioning these 4 at all.
Meat - what do you think of all this?
I would extend the scum-circle to Breshke, MihZaaa and lilwade, though not necessarily in that order. I will explain.
On August 27 2014 06:01 Barakos wrote: Mihzaaaa - i got a hard time reading him. I will have to look closer at his filter to make up my mind. Right now i get a feeling, that he could be town.
On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote: MihZaaa: I am still very unsure about you.
I am still very unsure about you. Would you mind explaining the following: On August 27 2014 04:25 MihZaaa wrote: What bothers me is that the people I read as scummy have either not spoken lately or have barely spoken. I wouldn't like this to be a wasted lynch where we end up just lynching for inactivity but it seems that's the direction we're heading to.
On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote: From least scummy to most.
Barakos Superbia and JennyHell Abuse
You complain about your scum-suspects not contributing enough yet you put abuse, one of the most vocal ones in this thread so far as most scummy? I feel like you are contradicting yourself here. Especially since your post was right after two posts of abuse.
Don't mind explaining at all. When I was typing that abuses last few messages hadn't gotten through yet ( I didn't refresh the page before posting). He was my scummy read out of the ones that contributed and hadn't been responding for a while at that time. The other scum read was lilwade and he barely spoke. And all the rest were not present.
Does this give the information you were looking for? How are you leaning on Mihzaaa tonight?
On another note,
On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote: meatpudding: I disagree with your read on abuse, especially with calling this part:
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
good analysis. This is a part I find especially scummy about abuse, since it shows, he hasn't read superbias post completely or is intentionally disregarding superbias change of mind on jenny just to make a point against one of the more towny people. Would you mind, rereading superbias post with a special filter on his tells on jenny and tell me, if you still think abuses post is good analysis?
After I answered this for you, you haven't followed up on anything that I asked. Could you update your thoughts on me and abuse?
On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote: gobbledydook: I didn't like you, coming in the thread and 15 lines of content later you claim to have discovered a scumduo. While I agree with you on abuse having some very suspicious posts, I dislike that you completely discard the fact, that it was his posts that got the thread going in the end. Would you care to bring forward some more points that back up your vote and make me believe that you actually read the whole thread and not just some posts that led you to believe, abuse is scum?
I like this. You're giving Dook a chance to back up his wild statements which is fair.
On August 27 2014 23:21 gobbledydook wrote: And if you want to lynch me that's fine. When I flip 'Princess Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty' as I claimed, then we know who's been misrepresenting my words and pushing for a mislynch.
So you are trying to scare people away from voting to lynch you by saying "Don't vote for me, cause if you do, everybody will know I am a princess, which makes you scum?"
Your overall appearance here in this thread looks pretty bad up until now. You hop in, you post some stuff, put a vote down, shortly afterwards take back everything you said, don't answer any question directed at you and on top of it all, you also explain that we shouldn't expect any more out of you, since this you are not a high volume poster and just randomly hop in and out of threads? Where is your effort to solve this game? I can't see it and the way you put it, you make it look like you are also not very interested in putting any effort into it.
##vote gobbledydook
Ok, I can't really blame anyone for voting Dook when he had no defence. I am leaning town on you but I would really like to see you follow through on your pushes.
Abuse
On August 27 2014 19:15 abuse wrote: lilwade
My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now. As for the other things, what he says and analyzes are to my liking, though they are not anything big in particular. I like his jump on gobbledygook.
I am a little concerned about one thing wade said, but will not bring it to light yet, as I need more info.
Either way - If the tables would suddenly turn in this thread, I would not be okay with lynching him today.
So you had a slight scumread on lilwade partway through the day. Are you able to tell us about the 'complexity' of your read here?
I like your responses to Superbia. You kept up with providing responses and I think made a good effort to keep him on track. I think your responses to Superbia are the main reason to keep you in my town pile.
On August 27 2014 19:41 abuse wrote: gobbledydook
This is my biggest scumread . Does not indulge in any chatter at all. Does not give any input, until he just appears to instantly vote.
This is a slight worry, but you did give reasoning behind it so we are able to read your logic.
I'm so sorry abuse. You're just too mysterious and after everything that's happened I can't go through with our proposed marriage. We can still bang though.
Breshke
Ok your first list of reads was missing some names but there were some lurkers at the time so I'm ok with that.
On August 28 2014 08:06 Breshke wrote: lilwade I have liked all of lilwades posts. I agreed with most of his reads in post 109. I also liked his reactions to dooks first few posts and the fact that he didn't push too aggressively when he misread the one with stuffed up quotes. Although why when talking about day 1 lynches do you not suggest the person you are currently voting for? Is this because you don't think they would get the required votes?
On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote: I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.
To be honest I think we should vote you. I don't like how you've been playing this at all. You seem to barely read any of the posts, and you make unsubstantiated votes, simply basing it on an existing wagon. You've given no original content, and I don't like it. I don't know how anyone can be this scummy on day 1. I think you may be town because of it, but I don't think you live here, unless you give a great defense.
##vote: gobbledydook
my response is fuck you im done here see you after the game when you get the mafia victory post
You can fuck right off with this post.
My top 3 scum are MihZaaa, Dreamweaver and Gobbledick with his last post.
This interaction between you and lilwade caught my attention. You say you agree with his reads, can you please help me understand why lilwade is in your town circle?
Then you go from
On August 27 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote: So hears some of my thoughts so far MihZaaa His first few posts made me feel uneasy as first he commented on how he thought jenny would change her play style as to avoid being killed during the night as town and then went on to say he likes being a town power role as it is easier to not get yourself lynched. To me this just feels like a bad mindset for the majority of towns people as survival isn’t what most of us should be worried about. I havn't actually been able to get any other reads from everything else he has said
to
On August 28 2014 08:14 Breshke wrote: Ohh and i forgot this Towncircle abuse lilwade meatpudding
Scum MihZaa Gobbledydook
Everyone else not leaning enough either way for me yet
Not sure what to make of you right now. You're tunnelling hard and I think you need to branch out a bit.
You back out on your thesis a bit after being pulled up on some points. The thing is you keep trying to justify it by saying those points are not important. Instead you should be trying to highlight the points that are important, and you've failed to do that. Please update and justify your reads.
On August 27 2014 13:35 gobbledydook wrote: meatpudding is abuse's scumbuddy
On August 27 2014 08:24 meatpudding wrote:
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abuse
Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far.
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: @ Suburbia,
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I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
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Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up.
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This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good'
It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying.
EBWOP fixed quotes
I kind of like your first train on thought. However, there hadn't been that many analyses yet at this point in the game (this was the second one besides my big post) so I don't think you can fault him that much? It'll be interesting to see how meat aligns with abuse during the rest of the day/game, however.
I like that you are keeping an eye on how I am aligning with abuse. I feel safe giving you a town pass.
MihZaaa
Ok, you're keeping your eyes on me and abuse as well, that's good.
On August 27 2014 22:16 MihZaaa wrote: It's so scummy that both of you are defending the other hard for things that aren't even that good reads/ town plays. ... You guys are either both mafia or both town.
But, I didn't see you post an answer to this. Dodging questions looks scummy to me.
On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote: MihZaaa: I am still very unsure about you. Would you mind explaining the following:
On August 27 2014 04:25 MihZaaa wrote: What bothers me is that the people I read as scummy have either not spoken lately or have barely spoken. I wouldn't like this to be a wasted lynch where we end up just lynching for inactivity but it seems that's the direction we're heading to.
On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote: From least scummy to most.
Barakos Superbia and JennyHell Abuse
You complain about your scum-suspects not contributing enough yet you put abuse, one of the most vocal ones in this thread so far as most scummy? I feel like you are contradicting yourself here. Especially since your post was right after two posts of abuse.
I don't think much of this not-very-in-depth analasys.
On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote: Ill go to sleep now but before I go I'll leave some thoughts.
From least scummy to most.
Barakos Superbia and JennyHell Abuse
People who haven't contributed enough: Lilwade Meatpudding Breshke Gobbledydook and Daydreamarine
With lilwade contributing the most out of those 5.
Out of the people I have gotten reads on I would lynch abuse the most but he's been much more useful to the town than the lurkers so I can't be happy with lynching him.
I do think that the vote on abuse is still a little early and I'm not sure where I stand on Superbia already voting on 2 people in less than 24 hours.
Every possible setup included 2 mafia so I would have liked to have a general idea of 2 scummy people by now but the scarcity of contribution does not allow me to do that.
I am still very unsure about you. Would you mind explaining the following: On August 27 2014 04:25 MihZaaa wrote: What bothers me is that the people I read as scummy have either not spoken lately or have barely spoken. I wouldn't like this to be a wasted lynch where we end up just lynching for inactivity but it seems that's the direction we're heading to.
On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote: From least scummy to most.
Barakos Superbia and JennyHell Abuse
You complain about your scum-suspects not contributing enough yet you put abuse, one of the most vocal ones in this thread so far as most scummy? I feel like you are contradicting yourself here. Especially since your post was right after two posts of abuse.
Don't mind explaining at all. When I was typing that abuses last few messages hadn't gotten through yet ( I didn't refresh the page before posting). He was my scummy read out of the ones that contributed and hadn't been responding for a while at that time. The other scum read was lilwade and he barely spoke. And all the rest were not present.
And in the end you voted for Dook. I think things are not looking good for you heading into day 2.
Daydreamarine We can't win this fight without you young man!
JennyHell
On August 28 2014 02:21 JennyHell wrote: meatplayer You're being a bit different from last time we played together. It could have something to do with the fact that we actually didn't get to play that much last time with me dying and you being inactive. that said, I've liked your reads so far, although I'm not sure about MihZaaaa, and I'd like to see what more you can give further in to the game.
Ok this looks good to me. I like your call on MihZaaa and I am starting to think something along those lines. I would like you to perhaps go into some detail. You said you have been flip-flopping on this so some pushing would be in order to sort things out.
All game you have been referring to me and lilwade from the previous game. This worries me a little bit. Ofc you can try to 'meta' some playstyles but I'm worried you might carry some reads over. I don't like that you have been referring to it as often as you have (I know you were asked about it).
On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote: MihZaaaa - I don't know how to read you. You're flip floppy and I get flip floppy on you. I don't like being flip floppy. I'm fine with you dying.
I'm interested in your thoughts on this as well as Breshke. Who is your top scum now?
After the wagon started you retracted on Dook and encouraged the scumhunt. The WIFOM is that he was going to be lynched anyway so mafia had everything to gain by looking innocent. Overall I'm giving you a bang as things pan out.
lilwade
lilwade has been a bit too quiet all game. Then here
Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there.
I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet.
I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
So look at this post
1) He's being rather defensive. It's been like one day into the game and no one has voted yet though already he is trying so hard to deflect any attacks on him. If he were town, he would be actually trying to make reads and analyse and contribute, instead of spending 2 big posts on explaining himself and arguing on semantics and fairness. Which ties onto the second point:
2) His reads are vague, general and useless. It's the easiest thing to say in the world that 'someone is town because he posts a lot of good stuff' and that's basically all he said. It's so easy for a scum to say that and look like he's given reads. Meanwhile look at his scum reads - '404 ERROR NOT FOUND'.
##Vote: abuse
for being scum.
I dont like that you come out of the woodwork and hop on someone elses boat. Instead of letting people analzye your post, you just come out with push on someone who has been getting picked at almost more than anyone else in the game. You accusing someone of vague, general, and useless when you have provided a poor case imo.
your second post I didnt get quotes with that but what i did gather is this "Though there are no real reads possible at the moment," Why then are you voting for someone? What does that gain the town, i get you like to push people but a day 1 mislynch is not what we want in a 9 person game.
Posts a reply to Dook of all people. Maybe lilwade just jumps into the thread at the wrong time but seems to me he could have been lurking, waiting for a donkey post to form a wagon on.
Following it up with a response to lilwade asking about me and superbia, and this is very minor but he, instead of saying what he said in previous post that we are in his towncircle, he decides to phrase it as a "no lynch zone", which felt a bit off.
I had a no lynch zone but not a full town list yet. I was expecting the others to talk more so I can get a clearer mafia read instead of a "least town" read I had on abuse.
He then had his lengthy post where he seemed extremely defensive, but he brought up some good parts as well that I can agree on. But the general feel I got from his lengthy post was that all the commented on was things that was about him, concerned him or was good for his play, which to me felt scummy.
I talked about things concerning me because that's where I have the most valuable input. Not only that but I wasn't giving my thoughts in regards to Superbia's reads on others that much because I was interested in their unadulterated answer/reaction more.
Here you can see him flip flop around he claims his least town was "abuse" after the gobbledydook posts and yet he still comes in with the one liner post voting for gobbledydook. A person that does not have their own opinion is more detrimental to town than anything else. His filter kinda jumps around from person to person and doesnt really give scum insight.
##vote MihZaaa
The reasoning here I can't quite follow. Are you calling MihZaaa scummy? Or are you voting on policy? What you said here is vague. If you think MihZaaa should be lynched I would like to see a case built up over the next day.
On August 28 2014 08:10 gobbledydook wrote: IF YOU WANT TO LYNCH ME JUST TO GET IT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM DO IT
k ##unvote
##vote: Gobblededook
On August 28 2014 07:35 lilwade wrote: Right now I dont feel like either Gobbledydook or superbia are good day 1 lynches, Out of the 2 I would probably go with gobbledydook. Jenny do you think that these two are the right for the bandwagon???
Why are you sheeping Jen so hard? How do you know she's town?
In fact I have no info on your town circle at all.
Then,
On August 28 2014 09:24 lilwade wrote: If we get momentum going for MihZaaa I will go for it
Still prepared to vote for MihZaaa, but no case. Would like to hear more about why you think he's scummy.
On August 28 2014 17:15 abuse wrote:Superbia, please get your head out of your butt. there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer.
On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote: Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me?
Are you kidding me? The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this.
Are you fucking kidding me? He gave no defense and had acted scummy during the day. Isn't this really fucking easy to say? Where the fuck were you during the formal? Last I checked your vote was on dook as well, and me changing mine wouldn't have stopped the lynch.
On August 28 2014 18:02 meatpudding wrote: SuperBias
Not sure what to make of you right now. You're tunnelling hard and I think you need to branch out a bit.
You back out on your thesis a bit after being pulled up on some points. The thing is you keep trying to justify it by saying those points are not important. Instead you should be trying to highlight the points that are important, and you've failed to do that. Please update and justify your reads.
Tunneling hard? I've pushed on three people during day 1, what did you do? I'm really fucking upset you weren't there at the end of day as well, but still blame me for this bullshit. I pulled back on my thesis because the only people who seemed to agree at a few points were you and Barakos, and other people were starting to read me scum for some of my points. I specifically asked for Barakos' and your opinion so we could have more discussion surrounding the thesis. I did highlight the points that were important. Read again.
I'm currently living in a world where at least 1 of the 2 mafia was not active last night. It was way too fucking easy for mafia to hide because only half of the entire player group was around. I'm afraid that we may have had no real pressure on any mafia at the end of the day. Lilwade and Breshke both switch their votes from dook to MihZaaa as the end of day draws near. This means that it was very easy for the vote to swing Breshke's way (only needing 1 from dook +1). I don't think you take that risk as mafia.
Meatpudding: First of all: You ask me about my opinion on MihZaaas answer to my question, yet you call him out for dodging questions and quote my question. I think you might have misquoted something, since I feel he didn't dodge my question?
I understand MihZaaas explanation to my question... I checked the timestamps on the post and what he says is true, there are only few minutes between abuses posts and his, so this makes perfectly sense. Up until end of day I liked him for calling out gobbledydook on his weak claim, since it was in line with my line of thought. In hindsight I feel I should have pursued him more, since he said his scumreads were abuse and lilwade, yet he didn't react to them posting at all, which is suspicious especially in the case of abuse, since it was quite clear that both of them were in the thread at the same time. This could have been a costly mistake. Also lilwade was present at the end of day, yet no interaction at all. No questions directed at lilwade and he only asks abuse once about his opinion on lilwade. lilwade also made it from his list of people who didn't contribute enough to his scumreads without him giving any reasons behind this change. You only see him writing, that he wants to see more from lilwade. Next thing that feels a bit off is that his vote on gobbledydook came 15 minutes after him mentioning gobble. This may be personal preference but I don't like that his post only contains the vote and you have to scroll through his filter to find, what he doesn't like about gobble because between his vote and his reason behind are two more posts.
As for why I didn't follow up on my questions on you: I missunderstood something in abuses push on superbias post and therefore interpreted things wrong. I mentioned it in a post to Jenny that your post helped me see, where my logic was faulty and I also explained my missunderstanding a few posts earlier when answering abuses question.
I didn't feel the need to follow up on your post, since it was based on flawed logic on my side. Sorry I didn't give you any notice of me, not planing to follow up on that push.
On August 28 2014 17:15 abuse wrote:Superbia, please get your head out of your butt. there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer.
On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote: Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me?
Are you kidding me? The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this.
Are you fucking kidding me? He gave no defense and had acted scummy during the day. Isn't this really fucking easy to say? Where the fuck were you during the formal? Last I checked your vote was on dook as well, and me changing mine wouldn't have stopped the lynch.
I really think we should stop with the swearing - sorry about that. Giving a defense or not did not really matter in that case, and his case when I voted for him, and his case at the end of the day was different. I already explained, that your reasoning in assuming that "it is a play" did not make sense. Mafia wouldn't selfdestruct like this - quite the opposite, mafia would make sure to post a valid defense attempt.
What is "the formal" ? And again - I explained many times why my vote on dook was different than yours in this case. I Honestly think, that your vote changing could have helped a lot. Don't get me wrong - I am not blaming only you for how this played out. I just do not like how you had the most contact with Jenny, and you didn't see what she was so desperately trying to pass on. I am sad for this. Overall I do see you a little more towny now, I just wish you would pay more attention to the posts that matter and try to change your perspective on things a little.
On August 28 2014 17:15 abuse wrote:Superbia, please get your head out of your butt. there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer.
On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote: Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me?
Are you kidding me? The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this.
Are you fucking kidding me? He gave no defense and had acted scummy during the day. Isn't this really fucking easy to say? Where the fuck were you during the formal? Last I checked your vote was on dook as well, and me changing mine wouldn't have stopped the lynch.
I really think we should stop with the swearing - sorry about that. Giving a defense or not did not really matter in that case, and his case when I voted for him, and his case at the end of the day was different. I already explained, that your reasoning in assuming that "it is a play" did not make sense. Mafia wouldn't selfdestruct like this - quite the opposite, mafia would make sure to post a valid defense attempt.
What is "the formal" ? And again - I explained many times why my vote on dook was different than yours in this case. I Honestly think, that your vote changing could have helped a lot. Don't get me wrong - I am not blaming only you for how this played out. I just do not like how you had the most contact with Jenny, and you didn't see what she was so desperately trying to pass on. I am sad for this. Overall I do see you a little more towny now, I just wish you would pay more attention to the posts that matter and try to change your perspective on things a little.
I do understand what she was trying to pass on. I understand the whole "mafia doesn't do this" thing. But the thing is, I've seen so many games now where people use the "mafia doesn't do this" to abstain or whatever. And guess what? Mafia does do that. Mafia can do anything they want. I felt like dook was bluffing hard, he never gave his reads, he never gave a defense. So I voted on him. You can't let shit like that happen as town.
On August 28 2014 17:15 abuse wrote:Superbia, please get your head out of your butt. there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer.
On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote: Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me?
Are you kidding me? The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this.
Are you fucking kidding me? He gave no defense and had acted scummy during the day. Isn't this really fucking easy to say? Where the fuck were you during the formal? Last I checked your vote was on dook as well, and me changing mine wouldn't have stopped the lynch.
I really think we should stop with the swearing - sorry about that. Giving a defense or not did not really matter in that case, and his case when I voted for him, and his case at the end of the day was different. I already explained, that your reasoning in assuming that "it is a play" did not make sense. Mafia wouldn't selfdestruct like this - quite the opposite, mafia would make sure to post a valid defense attempt.
What is "the formal" ? And again - I explained many times why my vote on dook was different than yours in this case. I Honestly think, that your vote changing could have helped a lot. Don't get me wrong - I am not blaming only you for how this played out. I just do not like how you had the most contact with Jenny, and you didn't see what she was so desperately trying to pass on. I am sad for this. Overall I do see you a little more towny now, I just wish you would pay more attention to the posts that matter and try to change your perspective on things a little.
I do understand what she was trying to pass on. I understand the whole "mafia doesn't do this" thing. But the thing is, I've seen so many games now where people use the "mafia doesn't do this" to abstain or whatever. And guess what? Mafia does do that. Mafia can do anything they want. I felt like dook was bluffing hard, he never gave his reads, he never gave a defense. So I voted on him. You can't let shit like that happen as town.
I am going to remind you that this is a newbie game. It is the first game for many people, and It is quite possible that they have not played a mafia game in their life, including real life mafia. You do have to take this into account, and it was noticable from his rage that he was a townie raging. I do fully agree with you that it is frustrating when people use the phrase "mafia does not do this" and I agree that thinking like that is silly and can do you more bad than good, but in this case, I really think it applied pretty well. Anyway, what's done is done, Will try to dig more into all of this a little later..
Also... I am going to be pretty inactive for some 2 (starting tomorrow night), as I will have a wedding to go to. I will try to post and reply as best I can, but if there will be 10+ pages to go through every time I log on, then I am afraid I will not be able to give good input..
On August 28 2014 19:47 Superbia wrote: I'm currently living in a world where at least 1 of the 2 mafia was not active last night. It was way too fucking easy for mafia to hide because only half of the entire player group was around. I'm afraid that we may have had no real pressure on any mafia at the end of the day. Lilwade and Breshke both switch their votes from dook to MihZaaa as the end of day draws near. This means that it was very easy for the vote to swing Breshke's way (only needing 1 from dook +1). I don't think you take that risk as mafia.
I actually feel Breshkes swing has got some bad taste in it. First of all there is this quote:
On August 28 2014 08:36 Breshke wrote: I agree i was looking on him with a towny light but he seemed to just flip out. I'm not going to lynch someone just because they get Bm so "oh he must be town" that sets a bad standard. If people don't understand your reads its your job to try and explain them.
Yet he still votes on gobble, not for being mafia but for being anti-town, after gobble started insulting people.
Then he only went for MihZaaa after wades swing and when he could be quite sure, that he would not get lynched, since it would have taken 2 extra-votes on him and there were not enough people active in the thread to accomplish this, since many of us - myself included - were not present at the end of the day. Gobbles vote already was on him by the time he switched, so it would have taken 2 out of Meatpudding, abuse, superbia, lilwade an me. Lilwade switched back to his prime suspect just a few posts before, so he could be quite sure, he wouldn't get lilwades vote and meatpudding, abuse and I were not present anymore by the time he switched. I don't think this switch was a risk at all.
On lilwades swing I feel unsure, since he had MihZaaa as his first vote, then switched to gobbledydook after his outburst and then switched back to MihZaaa, once his outburst was over and the tempers have cooled down. I don't like the back and forth, but it is in line with his previous posts and I can't blame him for swinging to gobble for a short period of time. He also gave an explanation for swinging:
On August 28 2014 09:19 lilwade wrote: I will make this clear I See MihZaaa as my scum, but I do not like people who are detrimental to town. I think gobbledydook needs to put on his big boy pants and play the game.
Still: I don't like the switching back and forth but I can understand both switches. I still would have felt better, if he had stuck with MihZaaa.
lilwade: now, that there isn't the hectic of the nearing end of day: Could you give us a little more insight in your switching back and forth?
breshke: I pointed out some contradiction in your vote, since I get out of your post, that what has triggered your vote on gobble was his bm. Am I wrong here? If so, what was the reason you put your vote on him?
On August 28 2014 19:47 Superbia wrote: I'm currently living in a world where at least 1 of the 2 mafia was not active last night. It was way too fucking easy for mafia to hide because only half of the entire player group was around. I'm afraid that we may have had no real pressure on any mafia at the end of the day. Lilwade and Breshke both switch their votes from dook to MihZaaa as the end of day draws near. This means that it was very easy for the vote to swing Breshke's way (only needing 1 from dook +1). I don't think you take that risk as mafia.
I actually feel Breshkes swing has got some bad taste in it. First of all there is this quote:
On August 28 2014 08:36 Breshke wrote: I agree i was looking on him with a towny light but he seemed to just flip out. I'm not going to lynch someone just because they get Bm so "oh he must be town" that sets a bad standard. If people don't understand your reads its your job to try and explain them.
Yet he still votes on gobble, not for being mafia but for being anti-town, after gobble started insulting people.
Then he only went for MihZaaa after wades swing and when he could be quite sure, that he would not get lynched, since it would have taken 2 extra-votes on him and there were not enough people active in the thread to accomplish this, since many of us - myself included - were not present at the end of the day. Gobbles vote already was on him by the time he switched, so it would have taken 2 out of Meatpudding, abuse, superbia, lilwade an me. Lilwade switched back to his prime suspect just a few posts before, so he could be quite sure, he wouldn't get lilwades vote and meatpudding, abuse and I were not present anymore by the time he switched. I don't think this switch was a risk at all.
On lilwades swing I feel unsure, since he had MihZaaa as his first vote, then switched to gobbledydook after his outburst and then switched back to MihZaaa, once his outburst was over and the tempers have cooled down. I don't like the back and forth, but it is in line with his previous posts and I can't blame him for swinging to gobble for a short period of time. He also gave an explanation for swinging:
On August 28 2014 09:19 lilwade wrote: I will make this clear I See MihZaaa as my scum, but I do not like people who are detrimental to town. I think gobbledydook needs to put on his big boy pants and play the game.
Still: I don't like the switching back and forth but I can understand both switches. I still would have felt better, if he had stuck with MihZaaa.
I don't want to defend Breshke's defense/reads, because he has been sheeping most (all?) of them. I feel like he's very likely mafia (especially at this point). However, you make that swing with so many people who could be lurking and could start voting at any point, you take a risk. I think there were people lurking last night. Like I said before, I think mafia is among them (at least 1). Breshke might've been taking the chance because there was a mafia partner ready to vote on dook (in which case the mafia was probably not already on the voting for dook list). Alternatively, he might've been taking just a bigger, more calculated risk, as you suggested. I think that's a fair statement to make, one that I have considered as well, and there's no way Breshke will not be a wagon today.
Switching back and forth to put some pressure is fine, but I have no idea why he switched back after the lack of defense (in my opinion).
I'm going to finish my lunch and then reevaluate everyone, especially the people absent last night.
I don't even know. You've given nothing so far, I don't like lynching lurkers, but be active, pretty please?
MihZaaa - voted on dook / inactive during EoD
Early on in the day gives a weird read on lilwade about him testing the waters with some questions. Didn't like the read.
Felt the need to defend himself against my sexist joke, not sure if this is miscommunication or being too defensive.
Replaces Jenny with Barakos for top town, that's fine. This was after a few people had already added Barakos as top town, though he gave him some meta-cred before (logging in from work).
Calls out marine and lilwade for more interaction (specifically the latter, for only asking questions). Neglects dook, who hasn't participated yet at this point. Dook was town, so I don't know how to feel about this.
Actually reads my megaposts and responds.
Asks abuse why he specifically would've liked a town power role rather than a blank power role. I can see why this question is asked.
Getting a bit more general here, since this is otherwise going to become another megapost:
Aligns himself with my towncircle (specifically easy townreads) early on the game. Specifically aligns himself with Barakos, Jenny, me. This may be mafia going stealth mode, which would also explain his absence during EoD.
Pushes on dook for good reasons. But doesn't do anything else from there for the entirety of the day.
Don't like his push on dook into inactivity, especially paired with his aligning with the most town people (imo) at the start of the day. Wouldn't mind seeing a push on him today.
Breshke - voted on dook / active during EoD
Breshke sheeped most his reads. I can't find anything original.
He calls abuse town early on and specifically says "Contrary to what some other people think I believe the questions he asked were great.". I don't think anyone disliked abuse's questions.
Points out that Jenny had not "taken a stance on anyone in particular yet", which is only partially true. Jenny had given reads on MeatPole, Barakos, and myself before then, and had explained her iffy stance on MihZaaa.
Specifically asks Meatpudding why he claimed VT rather than general town, which many people did (OC). Suggests to me that he's not reading thoroughly.
Agrees with MeatPrattle on a lot of things, but doesn't read him town for unknown reasons. Would like more input from you here, Breshke, why didn't you put MeatPoster on your town list (#218)? Later includes him in his towncircle anyway, no reason given.
Flip-flops between lynches like a frog. Specifically goes after a new vote on MihZaaa when it becomes slowly clear that dook is getting lynched. Again, I read this as a fairly big risk for mafia, as there were be a number of unknown variables during the EoD, even for mafia (unless both mafia were lurking, which is not a world we should exclude). Though this may also be to make him look good at the end of day, his vote wasn't on dook in the end, who turned out to be town.
He didn't seem to read dook as mafia during early EoD, but still voted on him (only switched near the very end). Later made him his #1 scum. Then flip-flopped and switched fhis vote to MihZaaa anyway (his #2). Might be confused town or inexperienced mafia.
Was on dook's "kill list" (but so was I).
Definitely should be a push today.
MeatPrattler - dead vote / inactive during EoD
Defends abuse early on (backs off a little after he stops posting), so I doubt they are both mafia (although they could be, as mafia can do whatever they want). His defense was good, and he backs it up with a push on me. Unfortunately, this turns out to be a dead vote due to his inactivity.
Reads and interacts with my posts. Though fails on the follow up questions from me (specifically, he doesn't interact on my "abuse merely skimmed over my post" point).
Reads me as wicked because we are reading the opposite, as far as I see it, we only read the opposite on abuse. Calls out dook for his vote on abuse, even though I liked that (only thing I liked about dook), but it makes sense in regards to him aligning with abuse.
He has also put some doubt on Jenny for decent reasons at this point. And then he's done.
I don't know how I feel about MeatProduct. He was strong during a certain part of the day. And that's it, he did nothing else. I'm iffy about MeatPole, but I think there are better lynches for now.
Read all posts twice but it still doesnt really make sense to me who is Mafia and wo isnt. You can ask me questions and later when I come back from work I will try to answer them and provide some reads.
I am not going to do much during the nightphase. Mafia doesn't need more reasons to shoot me and I will instead spend most of the nightphase sorting out my reads privately, doing some votecounting and what not.
All I want to say is that the only one that is confirmed town is the guy that died. Noone else is confirmed. To me, it's me and a dead guy. To you it should be you and a dead guy. Yes, people have been doing towny things but that should not make them confirmed, me included. I went hard on defense of Gobble because I have experience of similar behaviour in people playing videomafia. There was no logical reason for him to flip as mafia in that particular moment unless so and so had happened. That along with the fact that everyone was willing to vote him off because of BM just felt like everyone dropped their initial thought of scumhunting and instead went for someone, like I pointed out they said, they feel is town but vote on anyways.
We all need to go back, filter through all the bogus of day1 and try to sort our reads out. We have new information that gobble is confirmed town. Who did he align himself with, who went hard against him, who did he read as scum and why. All these things are something we need to take into consideration, and then we also need to look at the voting patterns. Who voted and when, who decided to go at him after he used profanity etc.
Relatively inactive during day 1, but from what I gathered from Jenny, this is his normal play. Hoping to see a little more from him in day 2.
I like his doubts on Barakos, especially since Barakos came off as very townie at the start of the game, but was absent during the EoD. Though Barakos returns strong after wade expresses his doubts.
Push on MihZaaa was nice, and something I missed. MihZaaa had abuse as his most scummy, but later retreated by saying it was instead his "least townie".
Seems to tunnel quite a bit on MihZaaa. I don't like "A person that does not have their own opinion is more detrimental to town than anything else." because it might imply that you don't really think he's mafia, but that might just be me.
Backs up his push on MihZaaa with a vote in the end, before switching to dook and then back again. Don't think this is mafia ensuring his vote isn't on confirmed town at EoD, since he was pushing on MihZaaa all day, and voted on him before the dook affair. His vote didn't end up on dook, but still voted on him before that.
I think lilwade is town for today, though I would like to hear some more in-depth material on people other than MihZaaa (though don't exclude MihZaaa).
JennyHell - never voted on dook / active during EoD
Jenny, you were iffy for me before the EoD, now you are my waifu. I thought you were trying to pocket me with the push and switch on me, but now I think it was all genuine (and this game is probably more straightforward than I had thought).
You were decently town at the start of the day (in my opinion).
I didn't completely like the timing of your push on me, I think you could've waited a little longer (though to be honest, I don't think I was going to get much more from my pushes). I didn't really like your full-flip on me, but it was probably genuine.
You were the best at the EoD, the most crucial point of day 1. If I had listened to you, the game probably would've been easier by now. But alas.
We're never lynching you today, unless you scumslip hard.
abuse - voted on dook / inactive during EoD
Many people are reading abuse as town. I still don't know how I feel. I had my initial reads on him, but judging from his recent posts (post-EoD), he's staying proactive.
His lurker story is getting older and older the more I filter dive him. It seemed to take up a lot of room in his earlier posts.
I've said a lot on his earlier posts in my thesis (#179). His response was rather thorough and decentish.
Likes MihZaaa's on the following: "Was hoping to get a power roll of some sort because sometimes defending yourself as vanilla town can be very frustrating when you don't convince people that have gotten fixated on you." which I definitely do not agree with and do not like.
Liked Breshke's reads. I think he's the only one who liked Breshke's reads?
I don't like him saying "I am willing to give him a chance to prove me wrong." on me. This feels like he wanted me to stop pushing on him in order to prove him wrong? It would've made my read a lot easier if he didn't have a heavier read on dook, followed by his vote on dook, since he didn't vote on me. Later also says "You do not have a case on me. You think you do, but you don't, Out of everything you said about me, there is nothing that actually IS scummy. I have, at this point, posted much more townie content than pretty much anyone here, and you fail to see it or admit it, then there is really only one explanation for this in my mind.", ugh. I don't know if he's mafia, since he's very proactive otherwise, but I don't like this kind of behavior.
Buddy buddy with MeatPaper, one of them might be pocketing the other. Doubt they're both mafia.
Also, called me suburbia... really man?
Completely stopped after his vote on dook and counterpush and me.
I think we should look into abuse when more information is available. I think there's a chance he's mafia, but for now I'm willing to give him a pass since he's keeping up his proactiveness.
Barakos - voted on dook / semi-active during EoD
Lots of substantial posts. Active and useful.
Read and interacted with my posts in a very townie way.
Says he "might have been blinded by his trollish undertone and therefore missed several slips and flaws." (with regards to my megaposts) but never revisits this. May have had better targets on day 1 (votes on dook in his next post, 5 hours later), but I would like to see a follow up.
Absent for the last 1 1/2 hours of the EoD without notice.
Never lynching you today, unless you scumslip hard. I dread the world in which you're mafia.
On August 28 2014 23:31 JennyHell wrote: I am not going to do much during the nightphase. Mafia doesn't need more reasons to shoot me and I will instead spend most of the nightphase sorting out my reads privately, doing some votecounting and what not.
All I want to say is that the only one that is confirmed town is the guy that died. Noone else is confirmed. To me, it's me and a dead guy. To you it should be you and a dead guy. Yes, people have been doing towny things but that should not make them confirmed, me included. I went hard on defense of Gobble because I have experience of similar behaviour in people playing videomafia. There was no logical reason for him to flip as mafia in that particular moment unless so and so had happened. That along with the fact that everyone was willing to vote him off because of BM just felt like everyone dropped their initial thought of scumhunting and instead went for someone, like I pointed out they said, they feel is town but vote on anyways.
We all need to go back, filter through all the bogus of day1 and try to sort our reads out. We have new information that gobble is confirmed town. Who did he align himself with, who went hard against him, who did he read as scum and why. All these things are something we need to take into consideration, and then we also need to look at the voting patterns. Who voted and when, who decided to go at him after he used profanity etc.
Do some leg work people, I know I will.
I'm fine with this. But can you out your reads at EoN?
MihZaaa was active until 1 AM CEST (2 hours before deadline) on the first part of day 1. No evening/night activity on day 2. MeatPencil was active around 3 AM CEST (deadline): start of day 1, start of second half of day 1. No activity around EoD. abuse has never been active around deadline times. Barakos was active until 1:30 AM CEST (1 1/2 hour before deadline) during the EoD.
On August 28 2014 20:28 Barakos wrote: lilwade: now, that there isn't the hectic of the nearing end of day: Could you give us a little more insight in your switching back and forth?
breshke: I pointed out some contradiction in your vote, since I get out of your post, that what has triggered your vote on gobble was his bm. Am I wrong here? If so, what was the reason you put your vote on him?
My switch was to pressure gobble to try to bring a case for himself, but he crumbled and gave up. Which is something is hate to see in mafia. Artanis told me in the first game to just keep it cool and dont take it personal.
And for those asking my read on MihZaaa it goes as thus: He overly liked superbia's post for the wrong reasons, I felt that Superbia's post was just filled with absolute crap but I do feel it was town motivated. I doubt any mafia would bring such a post day 1 with 1000 awful fill posts. MihZaaa on the other hand found a lot of insight in it. The only insight superbia's post gave was that he called out what he thought was a soft cop claim which is bad.
I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle.
The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse. Care to explain that?
Paying close attention to potential slip-ups is really towny I feel. Barakos did the same thing and Superbia did it to me and this is pretty much my town circle right now.
What bothers me is that the people I read as scummy have either not spoken lately or have barely spoken. I wouldn't like this to be a wasted lynch where we end up just lynching for inactivity but it seems that's the direction we're heading to.
He he says he is going to be eagle scouting everyones posts for slip ups but fails to deliver anything.
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you.
I like this a lot because I think things got a little heavy. I am guilty of being aggressive at times and i think it's a good policy to push but not harass and to inquire but not interrogate. I'm happy none of the negative stuff didn't happen yet though.
Of course you are going to sheep someone who thinks you are town but I see right through this post. It is nothing but agreeing with someone who likes you and fluff.
On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote: Ill go to sleep now but before I go I'll leave some thoughts.
From least scummy to most.
Barakos Superbia and JennyHell Abuse
People who haven't contributed enough: Lilwade Meatpudding Breshke Gobbledydook and Daydreamarine
With lilwade contributing the most out of those 5.
Out of the people I have gotten reads on I would lynch abuse the most but he's been much more useful to the town than the lurkers so I can't be happy with lynching him.
I do think that the vote on abuse is still a little early and I'm not sure where I stand on Superbia already voting on 2 people in less than 24 hours.
Every possible setup included 2 mafia so I would have liked to have a general idea of 2 scummy people by now but the scarcity of contribution does not allow me to do that.
Here MihZaaa is contemplating lynching abuse because he is least town in his eyes or a lurker because no one likes lurkers.
Why then did you not persue abuse or a lurker? instead you just say there is a scarcity of information which at the time almost everybody in the thread had atleast one scummy lead, but you chose to let it go to the next day.
@Players: You may PM me if they would like me to re-circulate the available deadlines. No new deadlines will be added. Sorry, but I cannot reliably accommodate other times.
If I receive enough PMs to suggest the deadline would change, I will re-circulate. If I do not receive enough PMs, there will be no change.
Please do not discuss this any further in the thread.
On August 29 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote: Barakos - voted on dook / semi-active during EoD
Lots of substantial posts. Active and useful.
Read and interacted with my posts in a very townie way.
Says he "might have been blinded by his trollish undertone and therefore missed several slips and flaws." (with regards to my megaposts) but never revisits this. May have had better targets on day 1 (votes on dook in his next post, 5 hours later), but I would like to see a follow up.
Absent for the last 1 1/2 hours of the EoD without notice.
Never lynching you today, unless you scumslip hard. I dread the world in which you're mafia.
I reread your whole filter and it really was a pain. :p
I come to the conclusion, that no matter how I read your entrance-post, be it in a trollish tone or be it serious, it doesn't matter to me in the grand scheme of things right now, since it doesn't influence my general read on you. On the one hand you gain a lot of credit for stimulating the discussion in the thread but on the other hand... i took about 15 minutes to reread your first post and I am afraid I will have to do this over and over again during the course of this game. You got the biggest filter in the game by far, but lots of your posts are your interactions with abuse, that all are a result from your push, that - as I stated earlier - was legit in it's core but over the top in the details.
This being said, I don't want to go through all this posts, since there are more pressing issues on my mind. Main thing being the misslynch, which the two of us have to take a major blame, so I'll be going through the way of your votes.
You stuck with abuse for a really long time and unvoted him only quite late yesterday evening, when you saw no chance of him dieing. Right now you still got him in your scumpile, which is ok with me, as long as you don't tunnel as hard on him, as you did D1. What do you mean when you say he likes Breshkes reads? The only time abuse agreed on any of Breshkes reads, was when he said, that he agreed with Breshkes read on leaning town and the next time Breshke appears in abuses filter is, when abuse says, breshke has worked his way down on abuses ladder towards a "null/scum"-area. Unless I have missed one of abuses posts, this again looks like you are inflating a point abuse made and twist it to his disadvantage.
Continuing with the vote: Well... it looks grim. The vote was placed and you didn't revoke it, although you stuck around till the end of night. But looking at your reasoning, I don't see obvious flaws. The post you quoted in your vote is the same post, that confirmed my vote on gobbledydook. I agree with your reasoning behind your vote and I also like the fact, that you stuck to it, although you had opportunities to change your vote to anybody else. For scum this would have been a golden opportunity to earn easy towncredit. You didn't take a chane I think many mafia would have taken and this makes you lean town to me.
Now you are doing work again by giving out a new set of reads on everybody. I like it. This is town-work again. If you wouldn't seem so "tunnely" on abuse I would like it a lot more. To me it seems like you are holding some kind of grudge against abuse, that makes you see things he does in a more scummy way than they acutally are. I held - and still hold - my reservations towards him, too, but be more open towards differnt opportunities. At least now you recognize him as being active - I see this as a good start.
On August 29 2014 04:04 Barakos wrote: What do you mean when you say he likes Breshkes reads? The only time abuse agreed on any of Breshkes reads, was when he said, that he agreed with Breshkes read on leaning town and the next time Breshke appears in abuses filter is, when abuse says, breshke has worked his way down on abuses ladder towards a "null/scum"-area. Unless I have missed one of abuses posts, this again looks like you are inflating a point abuse made and twist it to his disadvantage.
EBWOP: ... that he agreed with Breshkes read on me leaning town...
On August 29 2014 01:30 lilwade wrote: My switch was to pressure gobble to try to bring a case for himself, but he crumbled and gave up. Which is something is hate to see in mafia. Artanis told me in the first game to just keep it cool and dont take it personal.
Pressuring gobbledydook is a fair point. But what made you switch back? You say, you didn't like about MihZaaa, that he one-line-voted and then got all silent. As i see it, you did the same thing before end of day...
On August 28 2014 09:24 lilwade wrote: If we get momentum going for MihZaaa I will go for it
Just to be clear Barakos, I really want to like abuse, he's proactive, he's been doing some things that could be townie, but I just don't feel it. I actually filterdived him with the hope of adding him to my towncircle, but I'm still not convinced. He's currently null with the distinct possibility of being scum for me.
Him liking Breshke's read was not really a point against abuse, but more an observation in general. I think if Breshke flips mafia it becomes relevant.
I'm not planning on tunneling or pushing on him on day 2.
Can you give some input on how you feel about MihZaaa? Do you think he might be mafia? If so, who do you think his partner is? Do you think Breshke is a decent lynch?
Is there maybe a world where Marine is mafia, and his partner had to work alone so far?
Daydreamarine, my prince. How are thee feeling now after your rest? I hope your wound have healed properly. The fair maidens of the town are wondering what thy name is. Would you be so kind as to indulge us?
I already elaborated quite a bit on MihZaaa in my answer to meatpudding: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia?page=23#456 How did you miss this? In case you are asking for a definite judgement, on how scummy MihZaaa is: he is one of the two most likely mafia at the moment. The other being Breshke. So this answers one of your next questions already.
When it comes to mafiapartners: It would be somebody MihZaaaa is not definite about, since I think allying with your scumpartner this early in the game is something no sane mafia would do, since if one of them flips by getting lynched the main suspect would be on the partner, which is something nobody wants. On the other hand you wouldn't want to push your scumbuddy too hard, since there is the high chance, that it sticks with the thread (especially in an inactive game as we are in now). So it would have to be one of MihZaas Null/Bang-reads. This is the point, where it get's hard to interpret, since he is really inconsistent, when it comes to placing his reads.
There is this post:
On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote: Ill go to sleep now but before I go I'll leave some thoughts.
From least scummy to most.
Barakos Superbia and JennyHell Abuse
People who haven't contributed enough: Lilwade Meatpudding Breshke Gobbledydook and Daydreamarine
With lilwade contributing the most out of those 5.
Out of the people I have gotten reads on I would lynch abuse the most but he's been much more useful to the town than the lurkers so I can't be happy with lynching him.
He explains that abuse is his top lynch, and later on in his posts he deviates you from Jenny, saying that he is neutral on Jenny and has you in his towny corner.
So in case of MihZaaa flipping red my suspects, who could be his scumpartner are Jenny and the people he had no read on at the moment he posted this.
I can't give reads on the posibility of daydreamarine being mafia, since i he just isn't in any of my calculations at the moment. You can't read an empty book. That's the problem with him. Everything I post about him would be speculation and I don't want to throw out wild speculations based on the complete absence of one person.
Barakos, you mention that if MihZaa flips red you think I could possibly be his scum partner. Try to see it from the other end. What if I were to flip scum, who'd be my partner then? Do you still reach the same conclusion that it would be MihZaaaa? That said, how likely do you feel it is that I flip scum after I've been vomiting town all over this entire game?
Do you feel that Breshke's push on MihZaaa on day 1 EoD excludes a Breshke/MihZaaa duo? Or do you still believe that Breshke (and by extension, MihZaaa) was completely safe in Breshke's eyes?
I personally think that Breshke and MihZaaa are probably not a duo. I think if Breshke flips town it's definitely MihZaaa at this point in time.
Gobble had 3 votes for him, then Superbia votes for him and he completely loses it. He starts flinging poo, basically. My initial thought was, if he flips mafia after this lynch then Superbia is likely to be his mafia teammate, bussing him hard and therefore he's angry.
My secondary thought was that he's probably frustrated and annoyed with being read wrong and taking it to a personal level. While it is totally not ok to act like he did there, I wanted to make sure he at least tried in his last few dying breaths.
I saw something there that made me feel he is town, and when I went through his posts earlier tonight I felt so dumb for not seeing his previous town tells. I will point them out in another post, this one is about the voting.
So, I began defending him. People were voting on him even though they said he felt town. I pointed you out because you all felt that it was ok to drop the scumhunting, to drop everything this game is about just because someone went douche-mode.
Gobble changed his vote to Breshke, maybe because I was defending him so he was reading me town and therefore understood the flaws I saw in Breshke. That's just speculation though.
I manage to talk sense into some of you, so lilwade swaps back to MihZaa where he previously was and Breshke joins on. I mean, I didn't expect him to go anywhere else because he can't really go for himself. Why he decided to swap off I hope come from a town perspective but to be honest I feel it's a very neutral perspective. Either way he was not in any danger of being the lynch, here's why:
The change came ~20 minutes before the end of the day and for him to be the new lynch it would have required a super adamant hard-headed Superbia to move off Gobble and onto Breshke, to make a 3-3 and then for either lilwade to flip onto Breshke or Daydreamarine to perform a miracle that is called voting.
The rest hadn't shown enough presence to even be a threat of changing their votes.
I think it's safe to say that end of day 1 was chaotic, and confusing. We didn't have 2 wagons like I explicitly tried to get going and then it turned in to a mess because someone overreacted. However, his overreaction made me see him as town and I'm just sad I didn't manage to save him.
On August 29 2014 05:08 JennyHell wrote: Barakos, you mention that if MihZaa flips red you think I could possibly be his scum partner. Try to see it from the other end. What if I were to flip scum, who'd be my partner then? Do you still reach the same conclusion that it would be MihZaaaa? That said, how likely do you feel it is that I flip scum after I've been vomiting town all over this entire game?
The bolded part is exactly, what i would do with each of my suspects, in case MihZaa flips: I would look at it with switched roles. I haven't put much thought into scenarios in which you flip scum, cause those scenarios are the most unlikely for me at the moment, so I am not 100% sure, what would be the outcome if I checked your interactions with MihZaa. But let's see... There was the early interaction between you two, when he called you out because he felt that the rate between the length of your posts and your reads was off and you mentioning that superbias list was inconsequent considering the score on mihzaa and abuse. The next noteable thing is that you made a really long post, where you never really made up your mind considering him. After that you only had interactions, where you encouraged people to either put their votes on or off MihZaaa. (At the beginning of EoD you asked wade to put his vote off of MihZaaa and when you were trying to safe gobbledydook you asked wade and breshke to form a wagon on him. So while everything up until the end of day one was "flip-floppy" as you called it yourself there were no definite leans in your interactions with him, which then changed. One time tried to get a vote off of him and the other time you tried to get votes onto him. While this isn't consistent behavior, it is both too extreme. So this plus taking the fact, that you had him on your top three scumlist, leads me to believe, that in case of you flipping red, i wouldn't see MihZaa as your scumbuddy. Which in return would also make you one of the weaker suspects, in case of MihZaa flipping red.
Please don't ask me for other spontaneous analysis on the other possible suspects right now, or at least don't expect me to post them right away. 1) this is all theory on what would happen, if he flips scum, which absolutely isn't a given and if at all will happen not earlier than saturday night, the main question right now should be: "is mihzaaa a good D2 lynch" and not "what happens, if we lynch him and he flips red" 2) this takes quite some time... i reread both of your filters (not indepth but it still took lots of time)... and right now it is getting late for me, since i haven't gotten much sleep this night 3) as a result of 2) i already got a minor headache
On August 29 2014 05:12 Superbia wrote: Which of the two would you rather kill?
This is not the final answer to this question, because there is still a question at Breshke, which he hasn't answered yet. Atm for me it is Breshke, since i disliked the way he reasoned before voting. I will have to wait until my question is answered.
But given the way things are atm, we might also have to consider daydreamarine as one of our possible targets. His inactivity kills any possibility to read him...
If you hear this: Shape up mr.marine! Get out of your shell and post something. I can't believe, you read the whole thread twice and still got not the smallest hint of a tell on anybody.
Ok, so rereading Gobble's posts now that he's confirmed I have a few things to point out.
1. His intro.
On August 26 2014 13:04 gobbledydook wrote: I am Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty. I may or may not be a blue role. I will do all I can to root out all evil and wickedness in this realm. God save the princesses.
He's trying to take a role bullet. Which is a good thing to do as VT.
He went on to say that abuse is scum for how he doesn't have a scum read when it's been 24 hours in to day 1 and follows it up with a vote. The next post explains that he things Meatpudding is abuse's partner and is attempting to make him look better. And the logic sort of made sense at that moment.
On August 27 2014 13:35 gobbledydook wrote: meatpudding is abuse's scumbuddy
Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far.
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: @ Suburbia,
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I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
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Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up.
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This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good'
It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying.
EBWOP fixed quotes
I agree with him that at that point it seemed a bit odd and still does. Saying he's suspicious and hoping he can bring more insight and in the same post be all like "oh, found something!"
Another thing I'd like to comment about.. Why wouldn't you want to be direct? There's no need to beat around the bush and conceal things. Just be up front. Here's how I feel and this is why. And here's my followup Q for you. Nice and simple, so everyone can get it.
Gobble then did something towny. He listened to what you guys had said and went back on his reads. He wasn't worried it would make him look scummy he wasn't acting strange. He was genuinely changing his mind on the two and unvoted.
Now that abuse has posted his list of reads I think he's town. I think he has put a massive effort into solving this game. The only thing I don't like is he omguses me, but that's fine I can live with that.
##Unvote
A reread of meatpudding's analysis and follow-up to my post seems to indicate he is town.
It's not scummy to change reads. It shows you are reconsidering the game and you're trying to solve this and figure out who the wicked ones truly are.
He reminded people that voting is mandatory. Something any alignment could easily do, so that's a neutral thing to do.
But then he comes out with this:
I think you will find your scumhunting approach incorrect. Usually the assholes get lynched and flip town. It's because mafia have nothing to gain by insulting everyone. The mafia's greatest hope is that everyone forgets about them.
Which to me just hit home. That's exactly how most mafia players are in video mafia as well. They try really hard to get in to a town circle. Once they are actually there, they just sit back and enjoy the ride while town tears itself apart. That said though, it's not an excuse for his behaviour which was completely unacceptable.
On August 27 2014 05:00 lilwade wrote: With classes starting getting anywhere is a huge pain but, Here is my perspective from the last 12 hours.
1) Jenny you have started strong again but apart from last game you have come off way stronger this time around, maybe overcompensating to try to appear like you start every game the same, I am not sure. you are probably on my bang list for now, you know how I hate to commit to marry. What are your thoughts on MihZaaa?
2) Superbia despite your post that was longer than my last college paper I feel you are doing your best to seek out scum and test the waters and I think no mafia would have gone to lengths to provide what you did albeit in a poorly formatted manner. For the most part I think your genuine, but I still have my doubts on the quality of your reads.
3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse?
4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated?
5) abuse I think that every mafia game we have atleast 1 person (you), to start of the game with classic reaction questions and I like it tbh, Myself you can call me Town Hero for I will seek out scum so none of our beautiful princesses have to die. I was hoping to get a character that I could add a lot of flavor with but I was unfamiliar with how to go about it.
As for my thoughts on you I think you are spending a little to much time defending rather than advancing and I do not like that. What can you bring to the table that will get the game on the right track aside from your first post.
Anyone I didnt mention was not worth mentioning and you need to be worried about that because I will be waiting to hear from you.
A cursory reread makes me feel the absence of lilwade. Look at this post. It feels...noncommittal doesn't it. So the problem with being noncommittal is that scum generally want to leave their options open so they can't be held responsible.
He follows up with a disapproval on my manner of entering the thread which is partly based on a misread. He disappears afterwards:
I would lynch lilwade but I think superbia is better.
Again hitting the analogy right on the head. How did we not see this as a town read? Even if we don't necessarily agree that lilwade is scum scum, I think we all have some worries about him. Where do they stem from? Maybe this that gobble pointed out to us.
Following on to his response to my comment that he's starting to seem desperate which made me think he was more scummy and was probably going to start grasping at straws in a few moments.
On August 28 2014 07:34 gobbledydook wrote: You'd be desperate too if you were about to be mislynched. Everyone has a different reaction when put on the noose. Desperation, or the lack of it, is simply not alignment indicative. Can't count how many times the 'desperate person' flipped town and then I was like welp dun goofed.
He's again 100% correct. An emotional response is of neutral alignment. You can't read someone from it unless you know the person/have played with them before and therefore have a feel for how they usually respond.
Then came his BM that I will not recap, because I think we've all read it 4-5 times already.
All in all, he said towny things even if we didn't agree on his reads. And I feel stooooooooopid for not seeing those to begin with. Everything just gets more clear when you know he's confirmed.
Barakos, the reason I asked was because you were willing to make analogies based on whether MihZaa flipped scum, so I wanted to see if you felt like you'd come to the same conclusion if you swapped it around, because I wouldn't have.
1. Be up front about your reads. It's ok to change your mind, it's not scummy. It shows you are willing to re-evaluate as more information comes up.
2. Don't leave anyone out. If you are unsure, say you are unsure and why.
3. Please please please!!! Do not say "I think he may be town but he's scummy" Pick one or at least which way they are leaning. Because it's hella confusing. I get one can be unsure of reads. I have many of those I am not a 100% on, but at some point you will have to start trusting yourself and your reads and instead allow them to change your mind according to what I said in point 1.
Scum-heavy list, mostly due to the chaotic EoD. Reasons can be found in my reads. Let me know if there are any further questions. At this point I really want to hear from Breshke and MihZaaa.
Breshke, I went hard at him and he was my final vote. He's also not contributed much in my opinion. lilwade, his activity is super low. I saw something in one of his posts that gave him a pass for the day and was going to keep my eyes on him for day 2. He should not be off the scum radar. Barakos, I know most of us are reading him as town but remember, noone is confirmed! Daydreamarine, I asked him a question during the night and tried to do it in a roleplay fashion. Make sure he answers it and hopefully that will help you with him.
Remember this post:
On August 29 2014 06:20 JennyHell wrote: Moving on, what I'd like for us to do is this:
1. Be up front about your reads. It's ok to change your mind, it's not scummy. It shows you are willing to re-evaluate as more information comes up.
2. Don't leave anyone out. If you are unsure, say you are unsure and why.
3. Please please please!!! Do not say "I think he may be town but he's scummy" Pick one or at least which way they are leaning. Because it's hella confusing. I get one can be unsure of reads. I have many of those I am not a 100% on, but at some point you will have to start trusting yourself and your reads and instead allow them to change your mind according to what I said in point 1.
Strong stances people. It's better to change your mind as more info comes to you. This is day 2 coming up and we've already had 1 mislynch. We can't afford many more.
To end this post, no matter who dies, ask yourself who had anything to gain from this nightkill.
With abuse it is a close call between leaning town and leaning scum. The two of us started off on the false foot, and had some missunderstandings but since they have been cleared I see him leaning more town.
This will be my last post for today. I wish you all (sadly, i could also write two) a good night and may we all wake up again tomorrow.
I'm heading to bed because I have to get up early. Here are my final reads for this night. Hopefully I can live on tomorrow but I don't see that happening.
Town: Barakos (he's not confirmed) Leaning town: Superbia (Stop being hardheaded and a donkey! It's ok to change reads.) Leaning town: abuse (Gurl, pick your game up and be here when you're needed.) Leaning town: Daydreamarine (There was something in his RP that caught my eye. Hopefully he'll answer my Q!) Leaning mafia: lilwade (You need to pick it up and prove yourself.) Leaning mafia: meatpudding (Some of your logic I've recently started questioning) Mafia: MihZaaa (You've slipped under my radar for far too long and you contradict yourself in what you say.) Mafia: Breshke (You still make me feel like you've done nothing this game.)
Just came back from work, mandatory overtime unfortunately. Tomorrow I dont have to work though. Will read through the posts now and will provide analysis as far as I am able before 3.
he princesses were led courteously into their rooms in the grand castle that would serve as the site of their summit. The trip there had been exhausting, but sleep did not come easily. Again and again, they thought of gobbledygook – although the calm serenity of her final sleep seemed peaceful, they could not help but fear for the days ahead and the gathering powers of the wicked.
Each princess had a different way to find a peaceful calm. Meatpudding’s face was buried in a book, reading by the quiet pink glow of rose-shaped placed beside the bed. The pink reminded her of her home, and soothed her. She turned from her book and stared quietly as the glow became more intense. Before she could stop herself, she found her hands reaching for the rose and felt a thorn prick her finger. The glow became more and more fierce… and then faded into darkness.
The next morning, she was nowhere to be found. It seemed things were going poorly... but, the princesses had a plan. meatpudding has been killed – Belle, the Beautiful Bookworm (Vanilla Town) has been banished! Day 2 has begun. Day 2 will end in .
Currently, no one is set to be lynched. As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! Day 2 will end in .
Daydreamarine, my prince. How are thee feeling now after your rest? I hope your wound have healed properly. The fair maidens of the town are wondering what thy name is. Would you be so kind as to indulge us?
Role Play Time
Sometimes me thinks that there must be a fairy guiding me to new treasures. Being quite exhausted at the moment I am feeling quite fine my lady thanks to some anointing oil that some arrogant king I forgot his name, left after drinking more wine than he could handle in one of my many bedrooms. And not only that he also provided me with some of the finest tobacco I have indulged in, in a long time.
I have many names but you might have known my name since I am quite sure you met me some time before at a very special place...
Role playing off
Actually I have a theory about who is Mafia and who is town and I will voice it in the afternoon since the person I was waiting for to say something about me did exactly that. Furthermore I can now see why he acted strange on different occasions.
I think the fact that superbia's vote stayed on dook even though jenny was trying so hard for him to change it proves more that he was town. How easy would it have been for him to switch his vote to me after being one of the first ones to say they had a scum read on me? Also even though he was around at the end of the day he could have just lurked, the fact that he left his vote where it was as actually moved him into my town circle. The only reason I can see that he wouldnt change his vote to me if he is mafia is if he is mafia with Mihzaa. This would be because after his vote change it would be 3-3 on me and dook and Mihzaa would have been at 2. This could have brought Mihzaa into danger of being lynched but ill have to go back and asses their interactions
Also on jenny, I don't like how almost everyone is reading her as so town for trying to get votes off of dook. She seemed to have dook in her scum reads until after he bm'd. She has now pointed out more towny things he has done and explained the read on dooks emotion but if Jenny is mafia this was an easy way to get town points. I'm not saying this makes her mafia but I don't think she should be fully read town because of this. Also jenny for a second imagine that you are a cop with a town check on me. Who then would you think the two scum are?
Ill try answer the stuff asked of me during the night phase sorry for the inactivity
@meatpudding (r.i.p) lilwade was in my town reads because of his reaction to dooks initial posts. He pointed out what was wrong with it and even tried to interpret the post with qutoes that failed even though it wasn’t about him.
My first problem with mihzaa was as I pointed out he already seemed to focused on survival with his first few posts. This immediately made me feel he was scum, nothing he wrote after this made me feel any better about himso he was still in my mafia reads.
@Barakos Ill try talk you through the thought process of my votes. It starts with dook bm'ing and also calling me useless. This annoyed me a fair bit because yes I conceded ive been fairly useless this game msotly just agreeing with people and such but this is a noobie game and my first game of forum mafia ever and I had been trying to produce content but it just wasn’t happening whereas people than asked dook to explain his reads and he refused to. Him calling me useless felt ironic to me but yes my initial vote looking back was probably a omgus. Jenny then started defending him and pointing out that this could be town behaviour which made me realise my vote was very rash. At this stage I wanted to change my vote to mihzaa as he was someone I actually thought was mafia. Mihzaa was not active though so I didn't know If voting him would be seen as bad mannerd. Lilwade then voted on him so this cleared this up for me and dook finally explained his read on abuse which in my mind showed he was interested in playing the game again. I then changed my vote.
Ok, so why was meatpudding the kill? The rolehunting seems real. I think it had something to do with that cop soft claim that was mentioned during day1. That even he said wasn't at all a soft. I guess they just didn't want to take the risk.
Breshke, I agree that me defending Gobblegobblegobble shouldn't in itself be a sole reason to read me as town. But how about everything else I've done? Do you feel that the only thing I've done that is towny is trying to get votes off of Gobble?
As I mentioned before, Unfortunatelly I will not be able to hang around much for the next 2 days or so, as I have a wedding to attend to, so I am going to stick this in quick. I have skimmed through the posts up until this point starting from the end of D1, after My last post.
First off, I would like to inform you that I have gotten a PM notifying me that tonight I have been either Roleblocked or Jailed, or both, Which means having a tracker in this game is out of the question, due to the matrix format. I tend to believe that this format has a roleblocker, a town cop, a doctor and a mafia.
Next, as I do not have much time, I will say that I agree with the stances that have been posted about Mihzaa and Breshke, I think they are definitely worth pressuring. I will try to stick in to vote at some point and try to catch up with posts as best I can to vote. Also - please note who have been how active during the night in the thread, as most likely(not definite though) mafia would have been less active, as they had planning to do, and if their timezones did not match much, then it is possible that they would spend most, if not all time in their private QT.
Also, please do take note of people who keep telling me to pick up my game and that I need to show up more during deadlines. I have noted before that I will never be able to be around at the deadline that is currently, due to it being too late at night for me and there is absolutely no chance that I can be on then. People who want to paint me scummy for this are worth looking into. I also mentioned before that I will be gone for a few days, so already now warning me to be more active now (and I think so far I have been more than active, considering I post at the opposite timezone than when this thread is usually active), are most likely building a pretext to accuse me of this during the time I'm away.
My MBK(?) list at the moment is the following:
Marry - Jenny (Though I do not like that you ignored my question about mihzaaa pointing out my part of the post about lilwade)
Bang - lilwade Barakos
Null - Superbia (I like how he is active and giving thoughts, though I agree that he is being very nitpicky to the wrong stuff, and most of his tunneling on me is done by taking things out of context and putting them in a much more negative light than they are. - Glad that Barakos called him out on this.. Please stop taking stuff I say so to heart, and stop imagining that you are the smartest in this game. The ways you look at thing are often wrong. I can prove it by just looking at my role. Please be open to other's people's thoughts more and be a little less arrogant about your opinions. You can help town. Now you are helping both sides.
gg meatpudding - your death will not be in vain! This kill... it doesn't make any sense to me. Going through mps stuff. There has to be something he said, that triggered this kill. Because I can't believe that superbias promise to dive through any of us was enough to make scum not shoot any of the three of us... we have been reevaluating each other several times now...
There has to be a stronger motive - I'll go digging!
Daydreamarine: Welcome again to the thread. I am really looking forward to you insight and hope by getting your view on things you bring up new points that we have missed up until now. In case you didn't know - in the upper right corner of every post there is a quote-link... I would appreciate it, if you use it, since my first thought, reading your post was "why is he talking to himself" until I realised, this was something Jenny said to you.
Abuse: Thanks for sharing the pm with ous - not sure, what to make of it right now, will give it some thought. I am not sure, if we really should be speculating about powerroles right now, as it is daytime and powerroles don't matter that much. On the other hand this pm leaves us with 3 possible role-setups. 2 of them include a mafia roleblocker. This would make the kill on meatpudding way more understandable to me, because if mafia has a roleblocker, they know, that there is either a medic or a jailer in town, which means they have to plan their kills around the possible safes, to ensure a kill. This would mean, that there is a high likelyhood that they didn't really want to shoot meatpudding, but went for him, as it was a pretty safe bet, that he would not be protected and they would not waste their shot.
Will give this some more thinking.
Also abuse: Why are you so defensive? Big parts of your post are basically a defense against things that haven't happened yet. Please don't do this, as it makes you look weak, when I think, that you could be a strong contributor to town, if you wouldn't spend to much time overdefending. For example you informing us about the pm was helpfull, your guess on the roledistribution was so in some way, too.
Anyways: have fun at your wedding. From what I have heard, weddings in your part of the world tend do be lots of fun! Hope you have a good time, but don't forget to read the thread so your vote is as well-informed as possible.
Also abuse: Why are you so defensive? Big parts of your post are basically a defense against things that haven't happened yet. Please don't do this, as it makes you look weak, when I think, that you could be a strong contributor to town, if you wouldn't spend to much time overdefending. For example you informing us about the pm was helpfull, your guess on the roledistribution was so in some way, too.
Anyways: have fun at your wedding. From what I have heard, weddings in your part of the world tend do be lots of fun! Hope you have a good time, but don't forget to read the thread so your vote is as well-informed as possible.
Mainly because I don't want you to focus on the wrong stuff, especially with Superbia finding something wrong with everything I say most of the time. This particular post is a little different though, because I see that that part of my posts was ignored by everyone. I can see mafia using that to their benefit to push a mislynch (ex: He was so active and now stopped. He must not know what to say, he is not helping town, abuse I need your input on this ASAP, otherwise I will be forced to put you in my scumpile.) and as we have 2 townies dead now, every townie life now is just so much more precious. Probably a wrong play, but I will take that into account for my next games, thanks for your input!
On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote: "Your activity is just as appalling as usual but there's something you said that I'm not even sure you know yourself yet."
Which brings me to the next point. Now that you have noticed it too. I have said this, when I first spoke of lilwade:
On August 27 2014 19:15 abuse wrote: lilwade My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now. As for the other things, what he says and analyzes are to my liking, though they are not anything big in particular. I like his jump on gobbledygook. I am a little concerned about one thing wade said, but will not bring it to light yet, as I need more info. Either way - If the tables would suddenly turn in this thread, I would not be okay with lynching him today.
Here, I clearly say, that I will not bring this to light yet. What do you think of Mihzaaa asking me this soon after?
I do not know why I was roleblocked, but it looks like someone read me as a town power role. You should think who here would read that. Honestly, right of the top of my head - Superbia comes up. He might be framing me on purose after all while reading me as a town power role. This is just a slight theory at the moment though, so it would be very much worth it if someone would look into this deeper, as I don't have time for this unfortunately.(I only have a little bit of time while im at work, when there is less to do), once I leave work, I won't be able to log on for quite a long while. At the moment I feel the strongest vibe for this comming from him. The reverse is also possible, I might have been jailed by the jailkeeper instead, so it could have been done by somebody who thinks I am scum. As far as I know, there is nobody here that reads me as definite scum, so i think this is less likely.
about lilwade - I do not want to say more as it will hurt town, but due to something he said at one point, I have a slight read on him, which would implement that he should not get lynched. I am definitely not 100% sure about this, and maybe I am misunderstanding something, but I believe he did make a soft role claim at one point. I really hope someone notices it so they can either agree or prove me wrong on this. Also - in the other newbie game he was not the most active person either, and was a town power role in the end.. Again though - I am not sure about this, but I think it is possible. At this point it is enough for me to believe, since he has not done anything scummy as far as I look at him. Why do you not feel the same anymore?
Also - I do know that what I have said about Superbia now does not match my thoughts of him in my previous post, but as I said before, This is just a theory of mine, as off the top of my head, I cannot find a reason for anyone else to roleblock me.
In your 2nd quote, you quoted yourself saying you had a read about lilwade but were not sure about him yet and you quoted Jenny posting something similar... Do you think mafia might have been seeing this as a claim of one of you hinting at having a powerrole based on that statements?
On August 29 2014 18:10 Barakos wrote: What you just said there rings a huge bell...
In your 2nd quote, you quoted yourself saying you had a read about lilwade but were not sure about him yet and you quoted Jenny posting something similar... Do you think mafia might have been seeing this as a claim of one of you hinting at having a powerrole based on that statements?
Maybe, but in that case I am surprised that wade wasn't the one to die tonight.
I am more surprised that you weren't the one to die, since they obviouly had you as a powerrole and I don't see many scenarios in which you would get protected over Jenny, Superbia and me. Seems like a strange call, mafia made in this night.
Still not making sense out of the kill on meatpudding.
Sometimes keeping a person alive is important, because killing them would draw suspicions on you the next day. So a question rises - who would be suspected if I died during the night and was revealed as town.
A short question: As far as I am concerned there are two Jailkeepers: One for each team.
Am I correct that the jailed person who was jailed by the town team was shown on screen and the jailed person that was jailed by the mafia team was not shown on screen?
The answer is obvious. Superbia would look really suspicious, if you flipped town after all the fighting, you two had. But this answer is way too obvious, so for now I am not sold on this 100%.
I am off to my lunchbreak now, so no further analysis on who would profit in an non-obvious way. This will be one of the many things we need to figure out till EoD. Thank god it's friday.
I don't understand your question 100% but this here should help clear things up for you:
On August 10 2014 07:34 Amiko wrote: In sum, the setups will be RNG'd among the following: (A) Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, 1-Shot Bulletproof Town, 6x Vanilla Town (B) 2x Mafia Goon, Town Cop, 7x Vanilla Town (C) 2x Mafia Goon, Town Doctor, Town Tracker, 6x Vanilla Town (1) 2x Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, 7x Vanilla Town (2) Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, 6x Vanilla Town (3) 2x Mafia Goon, 1-Shot Bullteproof Town, Town Tracker, 6x Vanilla Town
Mafia KP is always 1. Mafia may not no-kill, but may self-target their KP. Mafia roleblocker may roleblock and night-kill in the same night. Mafia roleblocker's action resolves before a Jailer's action.
In setup A there are two blocking-roles in roleblock and jailkeeper. Given, that abuse was blocked, this is one possible scenario of role-distribution. Ohter possible scenarios are 1 and 2 with either a jailkeeper and nobody else being able to block someone or a mafia roleblocker with again nobody else to block someone.
We can't be sure, which scenario we are in yet, since we don't know about other powerroles except for somebody being able to roleblock/jail somebody.
As for, what is shown "on screen" as far as I understand it, the blocked / jailed person recieves a message. In abuses case, he choose to reveal his message to all of us. There is no further moderator-notification in this thread about blocks and jails, as far as i know.
As for, what is shown "on screen" as far as I understand it, the blocked / jailed person recieves a message. In abuses case, he choose to reveal his message to all of us. There is no further moderator-notification in this thread about blocks and jails, as far as i know.
Not correct, since one person was mentioned as banished.
meatpudding has been killed – Belle, the Beautiful Bookworm (Vanilla Town) has been banished!
Kills are shown to everyone, as in all mafia games. Roleblocks and doctor saves/other actions are not revealed to everyone, only to those who were a part of it(in some setups this is not revealed even to them)
That's correct. In the Night 1 - Post there was also mentioned that gobbledygook has been banished. So there is nothing you can read into the moderator-posts.
What about your read, you promised us, daydreamarine?
On August 29 2014 18:29 Barakos wrote: I am more surprised that you weren't the one to die, since they obviouly had you as a powerrole and I don't see many scenarios in which you would get protected over Jenny, Superbia and me. Seems like a strange call, mafia made in this night.
Still not making sense out of the kill on meatpudding.
I dont neccessarily agree with this statement by the way. Jenny - yes. You and superbia, not so much.
Also, I misread what you said before. I don't think mafia saw it as a claim of either me or jenny being a power role. I think mafia might have seen it as me and jenny hinting that lilwade might be.
On August 29 2014 21:41 Barakos wrote: Fair enough, i can see, why you would put jenny as top town.
Now that you read my idea the right way... do you agree?
I don't see how what we said implies that we are a power role, as there was no night phase before our statements were made. (if you think that we implied that we checked lilwade's role)
That's exactly the point! You both said you had some hint on lilwade, which you didn't want to give out but wanted to wait. Somebody who reads this might interpret this as you waiting for a nightphase to check wade before giving out your tell.
Did I mix something up here? Do you really not see this logic? At this point I am trying to understand the block on you and this would be my best guess...
I guess it could be interpreted that way. If they saw it that way and used their action based on this, then the question is why would they not want me to check wade.
That is only IF that is how they read it though. Because I probably wouldn't read it that way if I saw it at first.
I am gonna post now only what I think is the most important at this stage of the gam but I can also try to give reads of other players. I did not quote every player since I want to hear what your opinions are about my theory so far.
Barakos
Brings up a very important point early on that I will elaborate later:
Lynching a liar is something that is very situation-dependend... like "Did the person lie to protect a powerrole at night?" vs. "Did sb. fakeclaim a powerrole at daytime to get the real powerrole lynched?"
Also he speaks out what many others have been probably thinking:
To be honest I find it pretty suspicious to talk people into (soft-)roleclaims before the first End of Day... feels like putting a crosshair on their back for the first night and the last thing I would want to do is make scums job of powerrole-hunting any easier.
He says about me that I am like an empty book which I find much less suspicious than trying to frame me as Mafia despite my posts from Day 1.
Overall I see him as town since he brings up some very important points regarding being critical and analytical by also being critical about Jenny. Furthermore he did not want to target people for being inactive unless some other people.
Superbia
He seems to be the most likely Mafia at the moment to me because in my opinion he was the one who speculated wildly the most without giving real arguments (e.g. the soft claim, scum because of evil sounding usernames, framing me as Mafia twice despite my low post content... etc)
He was the person that I was waiting for to frame me as Mafia, since he tried to scapegoat most of the other players and I would be the easiest target to do this with, since I had the lowest posted content. He did not disappoint me.
Also, wasn't asking for a read on marine, but there might be a (slight) possibility that mafia was essentially solo day 1
Is there maybe a world where Marine is mafia, and his partner had to work alone so far?
To this I can reply that I would probably not be in the game anymore if I accidently posted as Mafia what I did in day 1 (even if it is my first game). Furthermore as Mafia it would have been way easier for me to just jump on the bandwagon saying "BM is unacceptable if he is not killed by a mod we have to do it (I nearly did but while I was angry Jenny posted and confused me, since in the end I could not tell if he is town or not anymore)."
Coming back to this quote by Barakos
Lynching a liar is something that is very situation-dependend... like "Did the person lie to protect a powerrole at night?" vs. "Did sb. fakeclaim a powerrole at daytime to get the real powerrole lynched?"
The second option is what I think Superbia did right after MeatPudding was killed. He said
“Easiest fucking deflect of my life. Donkey mafia, how does it feel to be remote controlled?”
Which indicates to me that he is fake claiming jailkeeper to get the real jailkeeper lynched at the end of the day. I don’t think that he is the real Jailkeeper because giving away your role immediately like this is bad for you and the town.
Gets accused by Superbia to soft claim a cop role and immediately sees this as “wicked” and scummy behaviour and voices his opinion of Superbia really clearly
Kill the beast! Superbia
Shortly after that he votes on Superbia.
The next morning he directly tells Superbia again what he thinks of him:
Finally, 9. I'm inclined to agree mainly with abuse here. You and I seem to be reading the opposite and it makes you look wicked to me.
And last but not least he is saying that Superbia seems to be town for him but gives him the name superbias and follows up with the following parapgraph:
You back out on your thesis a bit after being pulled up on some points. The thing is you keep trying to justify it by saying those points are not important. Instead you should be trying to highlight the points that are important, and you've failed to do that. Please update and justify your reads.
To conclude imo MP argues that Superbia continually tries to find new scapegoats after he realizes that most of them can see his logical flaws. I think out of all his actions the interactions between him and Superbia were the most memorable before he died. He is also one of the few people who is critical of Jenny. I think that probably he was a cop about to check on Superbia but he got killed in the process.
JennyHell
One of the most analytical posters by far. Constantly reminded us of important rules and guidelines. Encourages people to be active and is herself. Says about herself that she would play the same as Mafia/town and has a few games of experience. Overall I have to say that I cannot really read her (are some of the guidelines she posts just some kind of scripted copy paste metagame that she uses in every game?) but nonetheless she is in my towncircle because how she supported me and other players (especially gobble…). I like that she doesn’t make it too easy for herself to be liked. One of the only things that makes me suspicious about her is that she asked for my name/role.
At first I also didn't read it as a claim. Only when you quoted yourself some posts ago it sprung to my attention, as you talked about roles afterwards. So in case it was a roleblocker, that blocked you, this would explain this... There is still the chance of the jailer, thinking you were mafia as well... but that doesn't make sense... there would have been better targets to block. As a jailer you either block your most obvious scum in order to prevent the nightkills or you block your top town in order to protect him from a nightkill, even if this means you may prevent an allys special ability from working.
But let's not get sidetracked by this, as this is to much theoretical consideration. Back to the hard fact, that meatpudding died.
As I said he seems to have been one of the most critical people about Superbia (see my post above) and it seems to me that most of his content involved him interacting with Superbia, this is what I got from loooking through MPs filter
“Easiest fucking deflect of my life. Donkey mafia, how does it feel to be remote controlled?”
Which indicates to me that he is fake claiming jailkeeper to get the real jailkeeper lynched at the end of the day. I don’t think that he is the real Jailkeeper because giving away your role immediately like this is bad for you and the town.
I have to defend superbia at this point, since I feel you totally missunderstood him.
The way he meant his sentence was, that he threatend to reevaluate Jenny and me, if none of the two of us was killed that night. And his opinion was, that both, Jenny and I are alive because of this thread to reevaluate, like "i tricked mafia into lynching a lower priority target by saying i would misstrust Jenny and Barakos, if the don't die." In his opionon he out-mindgamed mafia.
This by no means is a claim of a powerrole, since at the time superbia said this, there was nothing, that even hinted at a role. This first came into consideration by abuse giving out the pm, which hardconfirmed the existence of a blocker in the game.
Superbia might still be mafia, I will go to the rest of your case to see, what else you got and analyse it further but superbia is definitly not mafia for this sentence. You completely missunderstood the context in which he said this and your conclusion out of this is just false in my eyes.
Also like I wrote earlier I thought banished means jailed a few pages ago, thats why I assumed there would be a jailer. Only by bringing up the matrix I was reminded that there are several possible setups including various possible power roles.
I don't think this is a question to the mod but if there is two mafia alive and one gets role blocked does it stop their kp for that night? Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out.
On August 29 2014 22:27 Daydreamarine wrote: Superbia
He seems to be the most likely Mafia at the moment to me because in my opinion he was the one who speculated wildly the most without giving real arguments (e.g. the soft claim, scum because of evil sounding usernames, framing me as Mafia twice despite my low post content... etc)
He was the person that I was waiting for to frame me as Mafia, since he tried to scapegoat most of the other players and I would be the easiest target to do this with, since I had the lowest posted content. He did not disappoint me.
Is there maybe a world where Marine is mafia, and his partner had to work alone so far?
To this I can reply that I would probably not be in the game anymore if I accidently posted as Mafia what I did in day 1 (even if it is my first game).Furthermore as Mafia it would have been way easier for me to just jump on the bandwagon saying "BM is unacceptable if he is not killed by a mod we have to do it (I nearly did but while I was angry Jenny posted and confused me, since in the end I could not tell if he is town or not anymore)."
bold: I actually didn't read that part right, when I first read the post... you were present at the end of day and did not vote on purpose? Because this is how this sounds.
underlined: this is the only part in your first post, that makes you look town to me. I got the impression, that you at first had a totally wrong understanding about the concept of forum-mafia and thought this is a roleplay, where everybody would be given a role and then the thread would be some kind of roleplay with open roles. So this leads me to believe, that if you actually rolled mafia, your openingpost would have looked totally different and might actually have given your role away. At the moment, you are town for me, but not for the content you provide, but only for the simple fact, that I am quite sure, that you didn't understand the rules and had you been mafia, you would have given yourself away at this point.
bold: I actually didn't read that part right, when I first read the post... you were present at the end of day and did not vote on purpose? Because this is how this sounds.
As I explained multiple times I just had a hard time with all these contradicting theories of people and wild guesses that are not founded on arguments that I really didn*t know what to do or how to even comprehend what was written since I had a gut feeling what felt right to say but not why. After a while I saw the filter button mentioned and that helped me to slowly orient myself after the voting deadline was through.
Ok, here's my explanation for why I gave lilwade slack day 1 and don't feel the same anymore.
He comes out in his first post by saying "Let it go, let it goooo!" I instantly think about the song and realizes that there are some words in it that would fit a tracker amazingly, so I say "How am I supposed to follow you if there's no footprint to be seen?" to see if he reacts to it. He responded rather cheerfully and then at a later stage I felt that he softed tracker in one of his posts. Now that abuse has come out as being roleblocked it means that tracker is a less likely role, unless abuse is testing us all to see if he can out roles.
Roles should not out, by the way.
But that also meant that I'm back to the point where I feel like lilwade just haven't done enough. Therefore, no longer cutting him the slack that I did day1.
Well... let's turn this mess into something productive, since I don't think you are scum I will try to work with you.
If your claim turns out true to be true - who do you think could be the second scum? Do you think there is a chance, that abuse and superbia made the whole fighting up and this all was some kind of play by the two? Or do you think that it is only superbia trying to frame abuse?
Also in case of superbia turning out to be town at some point in the game - would you start to agree with his reads on abuse?
What do you make out of Breshke, MihZaaa and lilwade? I get that those aren't people you have a good read on, since you said this in your post, but if you had to answer, what would you say is your general impression on them?
I can see something that could represent a soft claim by lilwade, but I think there is no way you want to soft claim on day 1 anyway, especially if there's never a vigi in the game.
On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote: I don't think this is a question to the mod but if there is two mafia alive and one gets role blocked does it stop their kp for that night? Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out.
I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while. I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought.
I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me. I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of.
The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup.
If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there. However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction.
Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information.
TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game.
On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote: I don't think this is a question to the mod but if there is two mafia alive and one gets role blocked does it stop their kp for that night? Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out.
I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while. I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought.
I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me. I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of.
The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup.
If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there. However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction.
Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information.
TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game.
Can you explain the bolded part to me? To me it could just be a way to hard confirm yourself town while you LOL your way to probably another easy miss lynch during D2. Putting town in a MyLo situation (4 town vs 2 scum).
In any case, I don't see a world in which mafia roleblocks you. You were jailed by town who tried to save you from being lynched.
On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote: I don't think this is a question to the mod but if there is two mafia alive and one gets role blocked does it stop their kp for that night? Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out.
I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while. I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought.
I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me. I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of.
The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup.
If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there. However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction.
Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information.
TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game.
Can you explain the bolded part to me? To me it could just be a way to hard confirm yourself town while you LOL your way to probably another easy miss lynch during D2. Putting town in a MyLo situation (4 town vs 2 scum).
In any case, I don't see a world in which mafia roleblocks you. You were jailed by town who tried to save you from being lynched.
Firstly, in a MyLo you novote and let it go to final 3.
Secondly, the bolded part. It's just one theory that circled in my head before I went to bed. Say abuse is mafia roleblocker, he outs he was roleblocked/jailed to see if anyone else says they have been. Someone that isn't the one he used his roleblocking on. That way he knows there is a jailkeeper in the game and can stop worrying about the possibility of a cop outing.
I'm hoping we get a mafia today, so that it's better for town. The MyLo I was thinking of in my previous post was when there's 4 people and 1 mafia. Derpderp. I see now how weird that comment was I made.
On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote: I don't think this is a question to the mod but if there is two mafia alive and one gets role blocked does it stop their kp for that night? Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out.
I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while. I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought.
I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me. I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of.
The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup.
If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there. However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction.
Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information.
TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game.
Can you explain the bolded part to me? To me it could just be a way to hard confirm yourself town while you LOL your way to probably another easy miss lynch during D2. Putting town in a MyLo situation (4 town vs 2 scum).
In any case, I don't see a world in which mafia roleblocks you. You were jailed by town who tried to save you from being lynched.
Firstly, in a MyLo you novote and let it go to final 3.
Secondly, the bolded part. It's just one theory that circled in my head before I went to bed. Say abuse is mafia roleblocker, he outs he was roleblocked/jailed to see if anyone else says they have been. Someone that isn't the one he used his roleblocking on. That way he knows there is a jailkeeper in the game and can stop worrying about the possibility of a cop outing.
That seems a bit different from outing a role, but fair enough. I see this happening, I really dislike abuse's easy switch on MihZaaa. He seemed to like him on day 1, which would suggest to me that would have a preference in pushing on Breshke, but he doesn't. Instead he just joins in on the easy 2.
Just dropping by to tell you, that I'll be here for an other ~20 minutes and after that go to the statium to watch a footballgame... will be back at ~22:30, i guess.
Well... let's turn this mess into something productive, since I don't think you are scum I will try to work with you.
If your claim turns out true to be true - who do you think could be the second scum? Do you think there is a chance, that abuse and superbia made the whole fighting up and this all was some kind of play by the two? Or do you think that it is only superbia trying to frame abuse?
Also in case of superbia turning out to be town at some point in the game - would you start to agree with his reads on abuse?
What do you make out of Breshke, MihZaaa and lilwade? I get that those aren't people you have a good read on, since you said this in your post, but if you had to answer, what would you say is your general impression on them?
Read your questions about 20 minutes ago and reevaluating my own notes since you bring up questions that I also asked myself.
Stopped by for a little bit, skimmed through the posts again. Prime candidate for lynching at the moment is Superbia. Again. After I have, again, said that I will be inactive for a while, he again ignores it. Asks for a "complete read" on mihzaa and starts his accusations again, based on.. again - nothing. (dislike the easy switch on mihzaaa.) - it is not an easy switch. I read others' cases on him and it made sense. Also, changing your mind can always be easy. Especially if your previous read was based on day1 information. Also, boosting my thoughts on this is the conversation I had with Barakos at the early part of the day.
@ Jenny, If you were also blocked, then there are definitely 2 blockers. There is no need for a mafia roleblocker to expose such critical information, just to find out if there is a jailbreaker involved. I am 99% sure that you got put in jail, and I got blocked by a roleblocker. This makes the theory that Superbia did it(what we discussed with Barakos) more likely.
For now -
## vote: Superbia as I need to make sure a vote is in before the end of day, and I am not sure I will be able to do it in time, cause I am now leaving. ( I might, maaaaaaaaaaybe be able to stop by for a little tomorrow.) Good luck town.
So you have 3 people in your scumlist which are all not me, but you push on me because I have my doubts on you? Can you please explain how I'm a prime candidate again? When was I another prime candidate? And why didn't you push on me back then?
Can you also tell me what exactly convinced you on MihZaaa?
Not voting (7): JennyHell, lilwade, MihZaaa, Barakos, Breshke, Superbia, Daydreamarine
Currently, Superbia is set to be lynched with 1 vote. As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! Day 2 will end in .
Well... let's turn this mess into something productive, since I don't think you are scum I will try to work with you.
If your claim turns out true to be true - who do you think could be the second scum? Do you think there is a chance, that abuse and superbia made the whole fighting up and this all was some kind of play by the two? Or do you think that it is only superbia trying to frame abuse?
I can imagine it being one of the three lurkers Breshke, MihZaaa and lilwade since they stayed away from the thread for quite some time. I am really curious to see what their votes will be and what they think of the latest theory crafting.
I think it is only Superbia trying to frame abuse since it started with Sb accusing Abuse because of his “evil” name and then he just kept attacking abuse with small sentences saying for example that he does not use reads to determine who is town, while abuse was mostly defending himself and questioning Sb about the sense of his rating system and the fact that nobody had given reads on all players at that point. I do not see how this conversation with partly not working quote system was planned in advance.
Another possibility that I had in mind when I reread the beginning posts only, was that Superbia hastily calls scum on Jenny, so Jenny can introduce herself, negate the scum claim, provide her reads of the players she knows and later establish herself as Superbia`s partner. But after a while I recognized that it is highly unlikely Mafia would choose such a complex setup in a Newbie game giving reads on each other back and forth while posting big walls of text and Jenny providing on top of that a lot of good general guidelines. That is also one of the reasons I did not mention yet that she is town for me right now.
Also in case of superbia turning out to be town at some point in the game - would you start to agree with his reads on abuse?
No I would not, at least not the reads from their initial discussion since abuse seemed mostly trying to defend himself against all the statements thrown his way by Superbia, especially in the earlier part of their debate (that I agree with some others were made a bit hastly).
What do you make out of Breshke, MihZaaa and lilwade? I get that those aren't people you have a good read on, since you said this in your post, but if you had to answer, what would you say is your general impression on them?
Breshke seems innocent to me since he agrees with some of the cases that are mentioned by really analytical players like Jenny (e.g. the Dook BM case) and does not do too much to defend himself when he is attacked (I Am Town). Although he tried to solve the Dook case by asking questions and was not a complete sheep in this situation because of this. He does not seem like a really aggressive player. If he would be Mafia at all, maybe he would be acting more as a support character with a special power so that he can block people without being noted. At the moment I read him as town since it is his first game too. I might be completely wrong though and mistake his meta game for inexperience. I think I underestimate the value of good coaches (if there are players who rely on their help) that could give valuable insight and make Mafia players appear more innocent then they are.
I still have to analyze the posted content of MihZaaa and lilwade but will post my findings shortly.
This is brilliant... I return after 6 hours and there is a grand total of 5 posts? And one of them is the neverending story of abuse vs superbia... really?
At least you are back to life, lilwade... you still owe me an answer.
And thanks for your further analysis, daydreamarine. With your case and abuses case on superbia him there are two (for me) confirmed townies having a case on superbia. After I pointed out your flaws in your line of thought and what i think was a missunderstanding on your side. Are you really sure about your feeling on supberbia? Because I am not. So ask yourself, are you really sure enough about superbia to have him potentially lynched at the end of this day?
Barakos, I've given most of my reads so far, I really would like to hear from some new people. If not I propose we push on MihZaaa and force him to make an appearance.
Marry - Daydreammarine after his day 2 activity I think it is undeniable this guy is top town.
Bang-
Jenny - I really really want to marry you but something I was reading while going through your filter made me hold off, in short it was because you were doing something you told us all we shouldnt I do. I dont want to explain further because I feel you are still strongly town.
Barakos - Everyone has had you in their town circle and I dont necessarily disagree I just think that we need to examine everyone with the same perspective as others. Not what makes you town but what seems scummy.
Abuse - you started off pretty rocky with me, I read you really scummy early on with your super defensiveness and in newbie mafia that is usually a good tell, however I think I have seen enough from you to let you pass today.
Neutral
Superbia - A lot of people disagree with your playstyle but I actually read you as town early on, but the more I filter dive you the more I realize that the info you are provided
Scum
MihZaaa - being as he hasnt posted anything since my last read I think that justifying him here would be me reiterating myself
Breshke - I do not think I have agreed with you at all lately and I need to go through and read everything from your point of view.
I know that I have not actually provided quotes to back up my post here, I plan to give full reads with information backing up how I feel but today has just been nonstop and I have class now. I am very sorry I can't do this now.
On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote: Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out.
Jenny, you quoted this as well and later in your post said, that telling that you have been blocked would give away the rolesetup, since there is only one possibility of 2 blockers and you hesitated, cause it would give scum information they might not have.
What are your thoughts on Breshke asking for potential others blocks? To me this makes him look worse than before.
Breshke: The explanation you give in your post on the votechanging is logical in itself but again you don't really do things on your own, you only follow lilwades example. This looks bad to me, since you again sheep someone and use others to explain your decisions. You don't take responsibility for your own actions and I dislike this. What were your motives behind asking for other blocked people? I feel they were not genuine.
On August 30 2014 07:18 lilwade wrote: @Barakos what question were you referring to? I re read everything and you directed nothing except why I switched in the night phase.
On August 30 2014 06:50 Barakos wrote: This is brilliant... I return after 6 hours and there is a grand total of 5 posts? And one of them is the neverending story of abuse vs superbia... really?
Really dude? I asked him a question and he responds very strongly and defensively, and then makes a vote on me while I was outside of him scumlist. All while ignoring my question. Am I the only person who sees abuse as possible scum?
On August 30 2014 07:33 lilwade wrote: I missed part of my superbia post. that last sentence was "the more I filter dive you the more I realize the info you are providing has been way off.
Is this regarding my day 1 megapost / day 1 abuse push? If there's more people haven't touched on yet, please enlighten me.
On August 30 2014 06:50 Barakos wrote: This is brilliant... I return after 6 hours and there is a grand total of 5 posts? And one of them is the neverending story of abuse vs superbia... really?
Really dude? I asked him a question and he responds very strongly and defensively, and then makes a vote on me while I was outside of him scumlist. All while ignoring my question. Am I the only person who sees abuse as possible scum?
I don't blame you... I feel his vote on you is hasted and uncalled for. But seeing that Jenny and he are the 2 blocked people, chances are high, that abuse was blocked by mafia. So unless mafia used a powerrole at themselfes this confirms abuse as town for now. So I have to filterdive you again to see, if I agree with both of my at the moment confirmed townies or if I find enough to defend you. In case i find enough to defend you I will go over the thesis of mafia blocking themselfes to spread confusion and confirm one of them as town.
Since you seem to still have him on your potential scumlist, have you taken into consideration, that abuse was blocked by his scumbuddy? If so, what are your opinions on this?
I forgot to add, that I don't think there is a high chance of mafia blocking themselfes, since meatpuddings death shows, they were rolehunting or at least trying to dodge town-protection. If I was in such a situation I wouldn't even consider using my own powerrole on something other than shutting down townroles.
Originally I wanted to post my reads on lilwade and Mihzaaa before I go to sleep but since I already started drifting off and just noted sth that I have to take into consideration will do it later when I wake up.
Are you really sure about your feeling on supberbia? Because I am not.
If I am absolutely sure if SuperBeer is Mafia is sth I will think about during my dreams and also reveal tomorrow since there is no need for me to hastily vote now.
I asked if anyone else was roadblocked because if abuse was jailed mafia knew exactly what setup it was, If he was blocked by mafia (which now seems most likely as jenny and others have pointed out) the mafia had a 50/50 on the setup. Seems like i will be one of the wagons at the end of the day so its likely we could go two days without lynching a mafia. Because of this i wanted to try and get as much information out there so mafia can't fakeclaim easily tomorrow.
For me it was a bonus that Jenny was the other person that was role blocked as at the time i was starting to live in a world where as i explained previously jennys defense of dook was just an easy way to get town points and she was going to coast her way to an easy victory. Now that she has claimed role blocked i think that world would be less likely as she could have just kept that information to herself and on the off chance she is lieing i think that situation will resolve itself.
Bang Abuse As others have pointed out most likely roleblocked by mafia. I don't think mafia roleblock a partner here. During the night they would have still been thinking that there could be a a cop and a doctor and i think trying to block one of these roles would have taken much higher priority than roleblocking a partner just so he could claim it
Superbia Sticking to his vote at the end of the day there seems towny to me. People are saying that i seem to follow what other people do and this seems scummy so shouldnt you be reading superbias vote at the end of the day there towny as hell. His vote was on the person who had majority but he was the only one active in the thread at the time.
Jenny As stated above
Kill MihZaa
Barakos, Lilwade (im not avoding putting these two into my reads i just want to think about it more but lilwae is leaning scum and barakos is leaning town at the moment
On August 30 2014 06:50 Barakos wrote: This is brilliant... I return after 6 hours and there is a grand total of 5 posts? And one of them is the neverending story of abuse vs superbia... really?
Really dude? I asked him a question and he responds very strongly and defensively, and then makes a vote on me while I was outside of him scumlist. All while ignoring my question. Am I the only person who sees abuse as possible scum?
This confirms to me that you are scum. Or just not worth keeping around as town. I have posted repeatedly that I do not have time at the moment yet you ask for a full analysis. I already said that I find mihzaa on the scummy side for now, but he does not try to keep framing me at every chance he gets. I also explained why did I vote for you.
On August 30 2014 01:04 abuse wrote: ## vote: Superbia as I need to make sure a vote is in before the end of day, and I am not sure I will be able to do it in time, cause I am now leaving. ( I might, maaaaaaaaaaybe be able to stop by for a little tomorrow.)
And you KEEP not reading my posts. I have had enough of this really, so unless some other strong wagon with much proof shows up, my vote stays on you. (though, considering the fact that I can only log on for a few minutes in about 3 hours, and then I am gone for a good 24 hours, my vote changing is not likely.) Another reason is, as I already mentioned, the analysis we did with Barakos. It is quite possible in my mind that you are the mafia roleblocker, now that jenny has claimed that she was roleblocked as well, and if she is not lying, and I don't think that she is, then she was 99% jailed, not roleblocked. You are the only one really who would want to roleblock me, most likely, as me dying now would most likely put you up as mafia, and if I am a power-role, then you would be the most interested in me not using my role on you at night.
Note for lilwade : you say that I had a rocky start with you and you were reading me really scummy. Why was that and - really? Your posts did not indicate it, when I look through your short ISO. Pls provide an answer for this. Are you really town?
The pace of this day is super duper bad. Just fyi, I've come down with a fever and have spent most of the day sleeping, trying to recover. Will come back later after some more resting and say a few things. But you lot seriously need to pick up the activity. Day2 is a very important day, especially after a mislynch day1.
I am with abuse at this point in time... rereading your filter, there are several moments, where I stumbled over some things, that I didn't like.
Your D1: First there was your megapost. Bad formatted, with small content and many null-statements from you... "yeah", "allright", "cool"... You also kept it in a very trollish tone (for my ears), so whenever someone would go through this post, you could say "Well... I was only half serious at this point.", which you did several times. Your answers to criticism are offhand, like when you were called out on having missread some posts you said "well, i missread you, fuck me, right?", or something like "private reads". The former plays down the misstakes you made, while the "fuck me" part simultaneously implies, that it would be over the top to go at you for this minor mistake, the latter is a weak excuse for inconsistent logic while buying time to find an excuse, should anybody follow you up on those inconsistencies. In your case vs abuse, you overinterpreted things, you were missing posts from him and you stick with your case, until there is a better opportunity to lynch someone. You going for gobbledydook actually makes quite some sense, since he thought you were one of the more scummier people in this thread. Then, when Jenny voted on you, you gave a comprehensible defense, for which I liked you at the time - you didn't overdefend like others did and you made sense. Now, rereading this defense I saw something, that I missed earlier:
On August 28 2014 05:21 Superbia wrote: I'd like MeatProbability's and Barakos' opinion on me and the whole "taking shit out of context" conundrum. They are my top town at the moment.
I missed the " 'd " the whole time... I gave you my opinion on your overreads and rushed vote on abuse already. You even interacted with me about this point. Yet still you ask me about my opinion again? This is again a sign, that you didn't read through the thread... you even forgot about some of your interaction with me and yet you still claim this:
On August 28 2014 05:32 Superbia wrote: I'm pretty invested in the game. I've put a lot of time and energy into it.
This doesn't add up for me. I know, i gave you several townreads up until now, but looking at it now, with the thought in mind, that my 3 of my most likely town-people (gobbledydook, abuse, daydreamarine; gobbledydook being the hard-confirmed, abuse being 95% confirmed, daydreamarine being 99% confirmed) had/have you on their suspectlist made me reevaluate things. Granted, daydreamarines case is not plausible but still i don't question his intention behind his suspicion. Your way of posting things D1 - the confusing format, the over the top accusation, the partialy offhand retorts to people pointing out flaws in your line of argumentation, you missing things, that should have been important to you and not slipped your eye at the time you posted them, you switching your vote to someone, who had you as a suspect as well - makes you look like you tried to confuse the whole thread more, than you wanted to get a discussion started.
Your N1: You posted a complete read-list, in which you didn't give away too many new things. Basically you just summed things up and gave some general reads in the tone of "town atm, would like some more activity", "iffy about meatpudding, but there are better lynches" "there is a chance, he is mafia, but gets a townpass for now"... in basically every read you give some pros and some cons on the person, you are looking into without actually forming a firm opinion. The only things to which you commit on in your list are Jenny and me as no-lynches and MihZaaa and Breshke as top-wagons. Things that were very well in line with the general tone of the thread at the moment. So overall this now seems like you just made sure nothing in this list would actually stick out, so nobody would be able to call you hard on flaws in this list. You then follow up your list of reads with a list of times, how long people were active... Totally letting aside, that you ignore the fact, that meatpudding is in a totally different timezone than MihZaaa and me... what was your point? You didn't follow this up at all and just let it stand there for itself without any further comment or reads out of this. Might be trying to keep a list but also might be you trying to make others look suspicious without doing anything yourself and just hoping that somebody would make something out of this. After that you again asked me something, I had already answered a few posts before - this time my opinion on MihZaaa. You also start with a new theme in your posts: nagging on people that were absent... first by asking me about the possibilities of daydreamarine being mafia. A person on which nobody at this time could have an actual sensible read. And after I don't answer to your satisfaction, you let the topic slide for now but not without giving it a final subtle push by saying mafia might have been alone D1.
Then we come into D2. You start it off with this:
On August 29 2014 10:01 Superbia wrote: Easiest fucking deflect of my life. Donkey mafia, how does it feel to be remote controlled?
I don't like this post at all... for several reasons. The first reason why I didn't like it is also the reason, why I didn't call you out on this, because the reason has no ingame-relevance. I will just give it now, for everyone to understand, why I pick it up only now and not earlier. I absolutely hate all those stupid sentences like "easiest ... of my life" / "ez ... ez life" / "2ez4..." "kappa" ... twitch-chat basically... I hate it from the bottom of my heart. So this is only a problem I have with the words you phrased it in and I didn't want to let this cloud my judgement and that is why I ignored the post for the most time. I even defended it vs daydreamarine and explained it to him. What I don't like is that you taunt mafia in it. Why would anybody do this in forum-mafia? It is highly unlikely that this will have any effect, because even if mafia is a little pissed at this comment... there are two days of D2 to calm down after it. So why do it? Out of overconfidence? Or out of confidence, that there won't be any ramifications, because you didn't have to fear mafia? I just don't understand, why someone would put this out. What you also do, is try to take credit for deflecting any nightkills off of Jenny, you and me with your last comment before EoN... have you ever thought about the line of thought, that your claim on meatpudding being cop was the reason he died? No. Why not? Maybe because the reason is, that you know, that he died because of mafia rolehunting. Yet still you try to appear heroic and clever by pushing mafia away from killing one out of Jenny, you and me.
Then your next D2-actions sum up as complaining about only MihZaaa and Breshke being the only wagon without providing something new except you stating, that you don't like abuses opinions on MihZaaa - and ask him about it - fully aware, that he can't really interact with you, cause he told us in advance, that he wouldn't be here for some time. Or did you miss this post as well? Cause I know for sure, that you missed one of my posts again, since you asked me, since when I had daydreamarine as confirmed town.
So all in all I don't have you in my town anymore and at the moment am more willing to join abuse and daydreamarine than to defend you.
On August 30 2014 08:59 Breshke wrote: For me it was a bonus that Jenny was the other person that was role blocked as at the time i was starting to live in a world where as i explained previously jennys defense of dook was just an easy way to get town points and she was going to coast her way to an easy victory. Now that she has claimed role blocked i think that world would be less likely as she could have just kept that information to herself and on the off chance she is lieing i think that situation will resolve itself.
I have given the idea of a fake-claim by Jenny some thought as well. For me, there is no way of her fakeclaiming... There are severel scenarios: - Jenny is Mafia and therefore knows that abuse was blocked by her team - in this scenario Jenny has either one or two townpeople, who could prove her wrong. Either the Jailer or the cop/medic-duo. There is no way in hell, that mafia would sacrifice themself this early in the game, just to find out powerroles. Jenny would have instantly been called and lynched and her mafiabuddy would be alone. Scum-Jenny is to smart to take such a huge risk this early in the game. - Jenny is vanilla town - again 3 possible people, who would counterclaim her. Again Jailer + Cop/Doc. Her fakeclaim would give away at least one town-powerrole, cause a misslynch and would confuse town totally. Town-Jenny will never do this, as it causes only damage to town and does town no good. - Jenny is Jailer in this case, the person she had blocked would have claimed so. Again her fake-claiming of being blocked will cause confusion, a misslynch, a dead powerrole... no chance, this is possible - Jenny is Doc/Cop and claims being blocked to not give away the real rolesetup. In this scenario the other powerrole could claim that he is cop/doc, again, mafia knows the setup, one powerrole would be out in the open, Jenny would get misslynched because of the claim... There is the chance, that the other townrole would see through this maneuver and stay silent, but I don't think anybody would do this, because it would be too suspicious by Jenny... so this scenario could probably work for her but again - this is not a risk Jenny would take.
Not voting (7): JennyHell, lilwade, MihZaaa, Barakos, Breshke, Superbia, Daydreamarine
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On August 30 2014 23:15 Breshke wrote: Barakos since you might be around, if you had been there at EoD would you have changed your vote if so on to who?
Honestly I don't know. I had a non-townie vibe from what he wrote and I don't want to make a call on how I would have behaved, had I been there the last 1.5 hours. Jenny had a really strong feeling about him not being scum and it is possible, that she could have convinced me to switch but this is all theoretic. This is all an instinct-thing and I can't give any authentic insight on what the last part of the day felt like, cause I reread the pages I missed after i knew, gobbledydook flipped town and therefore knew, what was behind his posts, why he got mad, why he did try to convince people to vote on you. I might have switched, because of Jennys feeling and this might have convinced me. And I can't tell you, where my vote would have ended either, because again... I reread the EoD with the knowledge of gobble being town, and this also might change the way I interpret stuff you all said, because I knew, who was wrong and who wasn't.
That's fair enough it makes sense that you couldnt really make that call knowing dook is town.
Also if you think superbia is mafia, who do you think his partner is? I went and looked back and for how active he has been him and lilwade have had almost no interaction. qith only a quick filter dive into both of them they have never really given a fully fleashed out read on eachother superbia having lilwade as leaning town and lilwade having superbia as neutral. I think if superbia flips mafia lilwade is most likely his partner.
This will be considerations I will make at night in case superbia is lynched and flipped red. Lilwade is a good suspect but then again... his activity is so low, that it doesn't come surprising, that he doesn't have a full read on everybody. Speaking of him - he hasn't answered me yet, which is also annoying. How are you supposed to read someone like him? Same goes for MihZaaa, of whom we haven't heard a single word since his answer to my question and his vote on gobbledydook. You to some extend as well, but at least you are here at the moment, trying to make sense out of the game. I also like the fact that you acknowledge, that you might be a wagon today and not flip out like gobble yesterday but stay calm and try to fight the upcoming wagon.It is good, that you think about Jennys motives and also had the idea in mind, that her claim may be false. Even if this is highly unlikely. What's your opinion on this btw? You just brought up the idea but never followed it up?
You seemed to analyse it much better than i did and cleared it up for me. I also think that abuses claim is now confirmed and i agree completly with the reasoning on how he was likely roleblocked by mafia. This makes Abuse my second top town if not equal with daydreammarine unless mafia was making a play (roleblocking one of their own) which again is very very very unlikely as it would have been such a huge risk as they still didn't know the setup, abuse is . Most of my problems with jenny this game have been that i have thought she is too town to be town. I realize that this is most likely paranoia and she is doing so many towny things for example fighting so hard to get the lynch of dook because she is town.
Okay, I refuse to see this day end like day 1 did. We need to start forming the wagons so that everyone can defend themselves, should they need it, based on their timezones.
MihZaa is going to be my target. He's a huge questionmark for me, he's done nada today which is an important day and this might seem like a dumb thing to say but I don't want to risk having a huge questionmark like him in final 3.
Barakos, I like your case on Superbia, but I can't help but feel he is just donkey town. I also agree that Daydreamarine is town. I have huge difficulties seeing him as mafia, especially with all the "dumbtelling" he's been doing. And I love the fact that he was willing to give up the roleplay and try this game out.
Breshke, still not feeling ok with you, but atleast you've been here and acted somewhat more ok today. I will keep my eyes on you and just because you're not MY wagon for today doesn't mean you are town.
lilwade, I'm done giving you slack for softing Tracker. I wouldn't be surprised if I just misread the entire situation and you didn't soft at all. You need to amp up your activity if you're to convince me you're town.
abuse, I still have you as a towny. You and Barakos both gave good reasons for superbia being scummy, and while I don't necessarily agree it just feels like it's towny coming from you. As soon as you came out with having been roleblocked I kept asking myself "Why would mafia target abuse?" and this semi-confirmed you for me. They obviously thought you were a threat enough to want to block you. If it's the other way around, that I was blocked and you were jailed, which I don't think is likely, then I don't understand what the Jailer is doing.
Ok... I am fine with forming a wagon on superbia. MihZaaa has given no content today, so I am not comfortable with voting on him. superbia has enough content for me, to scumread him, which I did. My reasoning can be found here.
I don't like that this will just look like im following someone else's lead again but
##Vote: MihZaaa
Not having posted at all today nor explained your vote on dook atop of me reading you scum the first day doesn't paint you in a good light. Ill be going to bed now but unless something unforeseen happens i will be up 2 and a bit hours before the deadline.
Barakos I agree that my case against Superbia had a few logical flaws but still I had a gut feeling about the things that stroke me as odd such as Superbia*s one liner about deflecting a kill and my goal was mostly to direct your and other peoples attention on that one liner so you can reevaluate and make up your own opinion.
Or Meatpudding being possibly rolehunted since he was the most vocal opponent of Superbia (although he didnt turn out to be a cop).
I am hoping to see more activity from Mihzaaa and lilwade too since they are harder to read for me than Breshke but I cant really say that they are my prime target for today since I am not gonna blindly vote (yet) on someone who I cant really read.
Anyway I gotta head out to work and will be back a few hours before the voting deadline.
##Vote: Superbia for now unless something else important comes up.
One more question though: Jenny why did you ask me in character what my name is? What info did you want to get?
On August 31 2014 00:46 Daydreamarine wrote: One more question though: Jenny why did you ask me in character what my name is? What info did you want to get?
Honestly, you seemed to have no clue what the game was about, so I thought if you were mafia you prob would have no clue about not claiming your name, so I asked to make it easier for me to read you. I really liked your answer and that you didn't out your name. I also loved the fact that you called me scummy for it.
Currently, Superbia is set to be lynched with 3 votes. As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! Day 2 will end in .
lilwade, MihZaa, Superbia As soon as you guys log on, make sure to vote. The sooner we have our wagons the better overview town gets and the wagons can defend themselves. Living in the dark, not knowing where day2 is headed is bad. We don't want a repeat of day1.
Ok... since there is no input from any of the two buses we will have to do their defending on our own or else we will have a silent End of Day. -.-'
Jenny - have you gone through my case? If so, did you find flaws in it? You say your feeling is, that superbia is donkey-town, so this concerns me, since your feeling was spoton at the end of D1. At the same time, can you bring up something more against MihZaaa than "he has done nothing, I don't want questionmarks in the final 3." I said something similar about gobbledydook and this seems to be not the best reasoning for lynching someone. At the moment I feel like MihZaa hasn't been talked about at all today (i know, there are some posts, where he was mentioned), due to his absence and this makes him impossible to read for me.
Barakos - I didn't see any flaws in your logic or the case itself. And the night kill comment was sketchy as fudgecake. But I can't help but see him as a donkey town, excited about his first mafia game and just not knowing what to do to be read as town. I don't know.. maybe I'm just giving him way too much slack and is underestimating him.
He first had the whole contradict himself thing with first saying that if I got killed as town last game I'd want to not be the same as this game, so I don't get killed. And then followed that post up with a post that stated he didn't think I'd take the mic so strongly on day1 if I was mafia.
Then he said something about abuse's questions that caught my eyes.
It still feels a bit like focusing on others so you can throw scum on townies that maybe aren't being seen as town yet rather than a genuine gathering of information with the purpose of finding mafia.
while I agree that the questions themselves weren't perhaps the best, he came with an idea of how he wanted to find out more about these players he's never played with before and I didn't see it as either scummy nor towny. It was very alignment neutral.
He also at one point said that he's not familiar with the lingo yet because it's his first mafia game, but he uses words like "pocketing" perfectly. Which seems like he's holding back some information/knows more than he's letting off.
The rest he did seems to me rather neutral in alignment, as if he's just trying to skate by. And he still hasn't done a single thing since his vote on Gobble day1.
On August 27 2014 22:32 MihZaaa wrote: ## vote: gobbledydook
As you can see by the timestamp, it was quite some time ago.
I don't feel comfortable leaving such a questionmark, because I'd have no way to read him town.
I was waiting for others to push on me, so we could get some information on possible scum teams.
Let me address Barakos, because I feel like it is the most complete case on me. If people want to add to his case, let me know:
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote: I am with abuse at this point in time... rereading your filter, there are several moments, where I stumbled over some things, that I didn't like.
Your D1: First there was your megapost. Bad formatted, with small content and many null-statements from you... "yeah", "allright", "cool"... You also kept it in a very trollish tone (for my ears), so whenever someone would go through this post, you could say "Well... I was only half serious at this point.", which you did several times. Your answers to criticism are offhand, like when you were called out on having missread some posts you said "well, i missread you, fuck me, right?", or something like "private reads". The former plays down the misstakes you made, while the "fuck me" part simultaneously implies, that it would be over the top to go at you for this minor mistake, the latter is a weak excuse for inconsistent logic while buying time to find an excuse, should anybody follow you up on those inconsistencies.
I believe I defended my megapost during Jenny's push, in which I stated that I wanted day 1 to progress faster. The megapost was intended to do just that. I'm not going to have a list of solid reads at that point in time, but that's not going to stop me from speculating and reading into things. As such, it's very likely I'm going to misread someone (first part of the first day). How many times have I explained the "private reads" thing already? I didn't want to give away some of my early reads, because they were based on how people acted. I don't want people to start acting differently due to reads I might out, because it makes it more difficult to read them. If I ever have to explain this again I'm going to fucking explode. You don't have to out all your reads on day 1. What kind of answers to the criticisms are you expecting when these are the only correct answers I can give?
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:In your case vs abuse, you overinterpreted things, you were missing posts from him and you stick with your case, until there is a better opportunity to lynch someone.
How many times have I reacted to this already... I missed one of his answers because his answers were divided into two posts.
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:You going for gobbledydook actually makes quite some sense, since he thought you were one of the more scummier people in this thread. Then, when Jenny voted on you, you gave a comprehensible defense, for which I liked you at the time - you didn't overdefend like others did and you made sense. Now, rereading this defense I saw something, that I missed earlier:
On August 28 2014 05:21 Superbia wrote: I'd like MeatProbability's and Barakos' opinion on me and the whole "taking shit out of context" conundrum. They are my top town at the moment.
I missed the " 'd " the whole time... I gave you my opinion on your overreads and rushed vote on abuse already. You even interacted with me about this point. Yet still you ask me about my opinion again?
I followed up on abuse's case, and there were more interactions between abuse and myself on which you hadn't commented yet. Since you and MeatPython were the only ones interacting with the case (besides abuse and myself, of course), I wanted both your updated opinions.
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:This is again a sign, that you didn't read through the thread... you even forgot about some of your interaction with me and yet you still claim this:
On August 28 2014 05:32 Superbia wrote: I'm pretty invested in the game. I've put a lot of time and energy into it.
This doesn't add up for me.
I think I've been the most proactive in the entire game with relation to scumhunting and gaining information.
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:Your N1: You posted a complete read-list, in which you didn't give away too many new things. Basically you just summed things up and gave some general reads in the tone of "town atm, would like some more activity", "iffy about meatpudding, but there are better lynches" "there is a chance, he is mafia, but gets a townpass for now"... in basically every read you give some pros and some cons on the person, you are looking into without actually forming a firm opinion. The only things to which you commit on in your list are Jenny and me as no-lynches and MihZaaa and Breshke as top-wagons. Things that were very well in line with the general tone of the thread at the moment. So overall this now seems like you just made sure nothing in this list would actually stick out, so nobody would be able to call you hard on flaws in this list.
After my sleep on night 1, I re-evaluated everyone by filterdiving them. Specifically in relation to the absent on EoD1 and votes during EoD1. I gave a general overview of everything I found important, and then summed it up with a final opinion on what I think we should do with them during day 2.
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:You then follow up your list of reads with a list of times, how long people were active... Totally letting aside, that you ignore the fact, that meatpudding is in a totally different timezone than MihZaaa and me... what was your point? You didn't follow this up at all and just let it stand there for itself without any further comment or reads out of this.
I was hoping to catch someone who was usually active during the deadline time of day, but wasn't during EoD1. I posted it so no one else had to do it. I didn't follow it up because I didn't get a read off it. I posted it because it was relevant information. Time zones aren't really that relevant, personal time zones more so.
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:Might be trying to keep a list but also might be you trying to make others look suspicious without doing anything yourself and just hoping that somebody would make something out of this. After that you again asked me something, I had already answered a few posts before - this time my opinion on MihZaaa. You also start with a new theme in your posts: nagging on people that were absent... first by asking me about the possibilities of daydreamarine being mafia. A person on which nobody at this time could have an actual sensible read. And after I don't answer to your satisfaction, you let the topic slide for now but not without giving it a final subtle push by saying mafia might have been alone D1.
Nagging on people that were absent? You're god damn right. At least 2 town provided an easy way for mafia to hide and do nothing during EoD1, the most crucial part of the day from which you can get a lot of information. I've already said that I live in the world in which at least 1 mafia was inactive during night 1. I'm asking people questions about others to test the waters regarding certain mafia couples. Specifically, I wanted your final position on MihZaaa, which again, I've explained before.
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:Then we come into D2. You start it off with this:
On August 29 2014 10:01 Superbia wrote: Easiest fucking deflect of my life. Donkey mafia, how does it feel to be remote controlled?
I don't like this post at all... for several reasons. The first reason why I didn't like it is also the reason, why I didn't call you out on this, because the reason has no ingame-relevance. I will just give it now, for everyone to understand, why I pick it up only now and not earlier. I absolutely hate all those stupid sentences like "easiest ... of my life" / "ez ... ez life" / "2ez4..." "kappa" ... twitch-chat basically... I hate it from the bottom of my heart. So this is only a problem I have with the words you phrased it in and I didn't want to let this cloud my judgement and that is why I ignored the post for the most time. I even defended it vs daydreamarine and explained it to him. What I don't like is that you taunt mafia in it. Why would anybody do this in forum-mafia? It is highly unlikely that this will have any effect, because even if mafia is a little pissed at this comment... there are two days of D2 to calm down after it. So why do it? Out of overconfidence? Or out of confidence, that there won't be any ramifications, because you didn't have to fear mafia? I just don't understand, why someone would put this out. What you also do, is try to take credit for deflecting any nightkills off of Jenny, you and me with your last comment before EoN... have you ever thought about the line of thought, that your claim on meatpudding being cop was the reason he died? No. Why not? Maybe because the reason is, that you know, that he died because of mafia rolehunting. Yet still you try to appear heroic and clever by pushing mafia away from killing one out of Jenny, you and me.
I'll just say it at this point, because it didn't work, it was a play. Two of your reads are correct on this post, it's meant to taunt mafia and be annoying (specifically towards mafia). I was hoping one of the higher-rated towns (e.g. Jenny or yourself) would pick up on it and mirror it to be more annoying towards mafia. It's meant to bait out mafia to become agitated and justify the(/their) lynch (indirectly, most likely). Notice the missdirection during EoN1 also acts as a prelude. Provided, it doesn't have a high chance of success, but it doesn't take up any time.
On August 29 2014 10:01 Superbia wrote:Then your next D2-actions sum up as complaining about only MihZaaa and Breshke being the only wagon without providing something new except you stating, that you don't like abuses opinions on MihZaaa - and ask him about it - fully aware, that he can't really interact with you, cause he told us in advance, that he wouldn't be here for some time. Or did you miss this post as well? Cause I know for sure, that you missed one of my posts again, since you asked me, since when I had daydreamarine as confirmed town.
So all in all I don't have you in my town anymore and at the moment am more willing to join abuse and daydreamarine than to defend you.
I don't like to accept the "I can't interact with you" line. Besides, I can still ask questions and he can answer them later as far as I care. I'm not going to push someone for ignoring things I ask, else I would probably have to start pushing on everyone.
Here's my fear for tonight: MihZaaa doesn't show up -> we don't lynch him because lynching lurkers is a big risk -> he takes the free warning and shows up on day 3.
Can we get a wagon other than me? I would like to have higher chances of killing scum.
Can we also stop wasting my time by pushing on subjects which I've already defended or if you do, address my related defense and say why you don't like it/don't agree. I'm getting pretty tired of having to repeat myself.
First of all: When I said you missread posts, I don't blame you for drawing wrong conclusions on people by calling them scum/town for the wrong reasons. This are things, that are bound to happen in this game, since everybody has a different way of interpreting stuff, what i meant is, that you just didn't read a post thoroughly enough so that your mistakes don't result in you missinterpreting, but in you not actually reading the post right. Kind of, what happened to me with the "I like" vs. "I 'd like"; only in a much bigger scale.
You miss one of my main points.
I am not pushing you on your private reads or on your offhand answers and things one by one... What I am saying is, that they all add up and up and up. Your day 1 posts as a whole paint a are trollish and distracting picture. (I don't know how to express this any better.) And I don't deny, that you gathered informations at day 1. I question your motives.
On the MihZaaa-Topic and your request. You gave exactly the explanation, that I offered you, after calling you out.
On August 29 2014 05:02 Barakos wrote: I already elaborated quite a bit on MihZaaa in my answer to meatpudding: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia?page=23#456 How did you miss this? In case you are asking for a definite judgement, on how scummy MihZaaa is: he is one of the two most likely mafia at the moment. The other being Breshke. So this answers one of your next questions already.
This is something that is missing in my original case. I didn't find your answer to it, at the moment I was writing it and forgot about it, when proofreading it. Sloppy work by me. -.-'
I don't want to go over your whole defense any further, since we don't have the most time left and we would go back and forth over details. Just know, that my general impression of you is, that you don't pay the needed amount of attention, because I got the impression you missed several posts. For now I think, this is, because you are not too concerned if your cases are as accurate, as they can be.
But whatever. You are here, this is good. Let's get work done. I don't want to miss this lynch again.
There's enough time left for you to go over the rest of my defense and decide whether I'm a good wagon today. We have 5 1/2 hours left. I'm going to finish my dinner and dive Bresh to decide whether my vote will be on him or MihZaaa.
Barakos, why do you feel there's not need to respond to the rest of my defense but still keep your vote on me? If you're going to vote on me, isn't it important for you to get as much information as you can on the defendant, to ensure it's not a miss lynch?
I have read it all already and I hear what you say. I wanted to make my point clear about the first part, since I don't want you to get mad. It's up to you, to dicide, if you want to discuss this with me up unto the last detail.
I gave you my opinion on you and this is where i stand after reading all of your defense. If we find someone more suitable to be mafia, I will switch this vote.
On August 31 2014 04:31 Superbia wrote: Barakos, why do you feel there's not need to respond to the rest of my defense but still keep your vote on me? If you're going to vote on me, isn't it important for you to get as much information as you can on the defendant, to ensure it's not a miss lynch?
Yes it is. But you said you are looking for other buses and while we still got time, it is limited. So - up to you, to decide. Chances are, you find a more promising lynch, which would do you more good, than argueing with me about some details, since my opinion still stands.
I do want to discuss it up unto the last detail, because I want a bigger chance of actually lynching mafia. Me being a wagon does not increase our chances.
Only the first part of my day 1 posts are somewhat trollish. I become serious as soon as my mega-post is over. Some of my side-commentary may be seen as trollish, because it can sarcastic. But my reads are not ambiguous. They are not sarcastic. I substantiate my reads.
They don't all add up and up and up. There's only my megapost and some sub-material (as explained above). Nobody agrees on my push on abuse (seemingly, excepting dook and MihZaaa), but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop interacting with him. If MihZaaa also flips town (and I die), please take a serious look at abuse. Nobody seemed to support me besides those two. I believe scum would support me in some way, especially since they seemingly blocked abuse last night. If MihZaaa flips scum, I think I'll be happy with adding abuse to my towncircle for day 3.
I'm going to dive on Breshke now to see which one I'll vote for.
Nevermind, you said you are eating, so I might as well post the rest of my thoughts, you can still choose, if you want to argue on them or not; also I realize, I have to give you this thoughts, so you can defend yourself. I'll also explain, what I meant with not wanting to discuss this with you.
On August 31 2014 03:10 Superbia wrote:
I'll just say it at this point, because it didn't work, it was a play. Two of your reads are correct on this post, it's meant to taunt mafia and be annoying (specifically towards mafia). I was hoping one of the higher-rated towns (e.g. Jenny or yourself) would pick up on it and mirror it to be more annoying towards mafia. It's meant to bait out mafia to become agitated and justify the(/their) lynch (indirectly, most likely). Notice the missdirection during EoN1 also acts as a prelude. Provided, it doesn't have a high chance of success, but it doesn't take up any time.
I don't like to accept the "I can't interact with you" line. Besides, I can still ask questions and he can answer them later as far as I care. I'm not going to push someone for ignoring things I ask, else I would probably have to start pushing on everyone.
Here's my fear for tonight: MihZaaa doesn't show up -> we don't lynch him because lynching lurkers is a big risk -> he takes the free warning and shows up on day 3.
Can we get a wagon other than me? I would like to have higher chances of killing scum.
First: Thanks for explaining the first post after the nightpost. I didn't see it this way. Never crossed my mind, to join in in something like this, since I don't see anybody falling for this. We will just have to life with the fact, that we got different approaches on this post. Second: I bolded this part: I already did. This is exactly, what I am talking about, when I say, you invoke the impression of not reading the thread close enough. I don't expect you, to know the thread insideout, but this was a post, in which I was defending you from daydreamarines attack. You must have seen this post...
But this is, what I mean, when I say, that I don't really want to discuss this. A discussion like this has a high chance of ending in an arguement, that goes like "you see, you did this again" - "yeah, right... i missed one single post. fuck me, right?" - "i called you on this also." - ... Which would lead to nothing, but waste both of our time.
Third: I am uncomfortable with lynching inactives and therefore am really concerned about heading into a lynchvote with one inactive and you. This inactivity by almost all just sucks.
On August 31 2014 04:48 Superbia wrote: So you'd rather join a bus than start one yourself? Why?
I think I gave a pretty good reason to join your bus, or do you think I made this decission lightly and without thinking about it? Yes, I am following my main-townreads. No, I am not mindlessly joining a bus, to make my life easy. You said it yourself. I was the first, to make a complete case on you.
I agree that inactivity absolutely sucks, especially when someone hasn't done a single thing in 3 irl days, cough MihZaaaa cough, and I'd love to have more information to go from when it comes to him and some of our other inactive players, but I just don't feel comfortable leaving such a huge questionmark in the game just because we can't read him. The longer he stays a questionmark the longer he will be a hindrance for town.
I hope hope hope that whoever dies tonight flips mafia so that we can stop going in to mylo. If we go to mylo we will spend that entire day discussing and then novote, because if we misslynch in mylo we lose. So we sleep, let them kill 1 more, and then we have increased our odds to a 40% chance to hit 1 mafia.
Superbia, you still haven't voted. Please do so. We can't risk having too many people not on the wagons, making things easier for mafia. If you feel someone else is a more suitable candidate for wagon than MihZaa, because obviously you already think you shouldn't be one, then come out with it and explain why and at least put a vote down.
On Breshke, I'll only go on the posts I feel strong about (post day 2).
On August 29 2014 12:13 Breshke wrote: @Barakos Ill try talk you through the thought process of my votes. It starts with dook bm'ing and also calling me useless. This annoyed me a fair bit because yes I conceded ive been fairly useless this game msotly just agreeing with people and such but this is a noobie game and my first game of forum mafia ever and I had been trying to produce content but it just wasn’t happening whereas people than asked dook to explain his reads and he refused to. Him calling me useless felt ironic to me but yes my initial vote looking back was probably a omgus. Jenny then started defending him and pointing out that this could be town behaviour which made me realise my vote was very rash. At this stage I wanted to change my vote to mihzaa as he was someone I actually thought was mafia. Mihzaa was not active though so I didn't know If voting him would be seen as bad mannerd. Lilwade then voted on him so this cleared this up for me and dook finally explained his read on abuse which in my mind showed he was interested in playing the game again. I then changed my vote.
It's another "I'm a newbie" excuse, but I've been called out for hammering on this, so whatever. His explanations on his votes feel genuine. Especially him admitting that the initial push on dook was omgus.
On August 30 2014 08:59 Breshke wrote: I asked if anyone else was roadblocked because if abuse was jailed mafia knew exactly what setup it was, If he was blocked by mafia (which now seems most likely as jenny and others have pointed out) the mafia had a 50/50 on the setup. Seems like i will be one of the wagons at the end of the day so its likely we could go two days without lynching a mafia. Because of this i wanted to try and get as much information out there so mafia can't fakeclaim easily tomorrow.
I really like this reasoning on the block/jail ask (i.e. "it's 50/50 for mafia to have complete info on the set up now"). This feels really townie to me.
On August 30 2014 08:59 Breshke wrote:For me it was a bonus that Jenny was the other person that was role blocked as at the time i was starting to live in a world where as i explained previously jennys defense of dook was just an easy way to get town points and she was going to coast her way to an easy victory. Now that she has claimed role blocked i think that world would be less likely as she could have just kept that information to herself and on the off chance she is lieing i think that situation will resolve itself.
Thinks about a multitude of worlds (i.e. Jenny hard defended dook for easy townpoints). More townie points.
On August 31 2014 00:27 Breshke wrote: You seemed to analyse it much better than i did and cleared it up for me. I also think that abuses claim is now confirmed and i agree completly with the reasoning on how he was likely roleblocked by mafia. This makes Abuse my second top town if not equal with daydreammarine unless mafia was making a play (roleblocking one of their own) which again is very very very unlikely as it would have been such a huge risk as they still didn't know the setup, abuse is . Most of my problems with jenny this game have been that i have thought she is too town to be town. I realize that this is most likely paranoia and she is doing so many towny things for example fighting so hard to get the lynch of dook because she is town.
I'm still a little iffy on the abuse claim (I worked it out a little in my head risk-reward wise, but I need to write it out to see if this is a play mafia can make with little risk), but his reasoning feels genuine (like that's how it really happened in his world).
Overall, I feel like Breshke stepped it up today, but I honestly don't know how I feel at this point about him. He feels like a person who's stronger at logical reasoning (due to his comments on the block claim thing), which might explain his day 1 play.
I want to know one thing Breshke, why did Barakos go from your town circle to null but leaning town?
On August 31 2014 04:59 Barakos wrote: Second: I bolded this part: I already did. This is exactly, what I am talking about, when I say, you invoke the impression of not reading the thread close enough. I don't expect you, to know the thread insideout, but this was a post, in which I was defending you from daydreamarines attack. You must have seen this post...
If I give a defense I will give a general explanation. You might've seen the relation, but there are others who might not have.
On August 31 2014 05:13 JennyHell wrote: Superbia, you still haven't voted. Please do so. We can't risk having too many people not on the wagons, making things easier for mafia. If you feel someone else is a more suitable candidate for wagon than MihZaa, because obviously you already think you shouldn't be one, then come out with it and explain why and at least put a vote down.
##Vote: MihZaaa
I don't think Breshke is a very good one, but probably better than me. I'm going to take another look at lilwade right now. I also want to take another look at Barakos, but I don't think I have the time/energy to fully dive into him as well today. Especially since everyone will simply disagree with my reads anyway (yes, I am fucking salty, I can't remember the last time anyone agreed with me on something significant).
I'll just give a overview of his reads since this all he has done today. Keep in mind that he was active during EoD1.
On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote: Lets get down to it
Marry - Daydreammarine after his day 2 activity I think it is undeniable this guy is top town.
His opinion, many people have a "feel" read on marine, passable.
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On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:Bang-
Jenny - I really really want to marry you but something I was reading while going through your filter made me hold off, in short it was because you were doing something you told us all we shouldnt I do. I dont want to explain further because I feel you are still strongly town.
Says absolutely nothing here except he makes a promise.
On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:Barakos - Everyone has had you in their town circle and I dont necessarily disagree I just think that we need to examine everyone with the same perspective as others. Not what makes you town but what seems scummy.
Another empty post.
On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:Abuse - you started off pretty rocky with me, I read you really scummy early on with your super defensiveness and in newbie mafia that is usually a good tell, however I think I have seen enough from you to let you pass today.
Kind of empty, but abuse did claim that he was roleblocked, so this is fair.
On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:Neutral
Superbia - A lot of people disagree with your playstyle but I actually read you as town early on, but the more I filter dive you the more I realize the info you are providing has been way off
Already a point many other people claimed, and it's already been answered. Plus I'm a bit iffy here, is the info I'm providing way off? Or are some of my reads way off? There's a difference here. He did have "doubts about the quality of [my] reads" during day 1.
On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:Scum
MihZaaa - being as he hasnt posted anything since my last read I think that justifying him here would be me reiterating myself
It's hard to give an opinion on someone who hasn't showed his face ever since.
On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:Breshke - I do not think I have agreed with you at all lately and I need to go through and read everything from your point of view.
Unfulfilled promise.
Eh fuck, I just read the last part:
On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:I know that I have not actually provided quotes to back up my post here, I plan to give full reads with information backing up how I feel but today has just been nonstop and I have class now. I am very sorry I can't do this now.
Looking forward to it.
Still think vote on MihZaaa is most likely to hit at this point.
superbia: I like, that you don't jump on Breshke and I agree with you, that the little things he contributed today all seem towny. I was on him today aswell, but all he wrote, especially the part about the roles was credible for me. You not jumping on Breshke right now, even though you are in need of another lynch-target, seems to me, like you actually try to solve this game.
On lilwade I can fully agree as well. His posts up until now are very null to me or I had mixed feelings about them. Him not answering my followup-questions is annoying as f***. The only thing that prevents me from going at him today is his promise to follow up and his absence. He is the second case of somebody being absent and thereby dodging further investigation by me.
Also i can see now, why you didn't mention my answer and point at your previous post. Makes sense, to repeat this and to give a general explanation, since you are not only talking to me, but everybody else.
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I would like to interact with the people who are more in question. Unless you don't mind me asking questions you already answered. At this point I would prefer to have a conversation that flows, rather than having to filter you every time to see if you've given your opinion already. :p
All right. What information do you feel is the most important at this point? The absent players during EoD1, the block claims by abuse and Jenny, or something else?
1) meatpudding and gobbledydook are town 2) daydreamarine is as good as confirmed town 3) Jenny was blocked - since this claim would have been too risky, if it was a fake-claim 4) Abuses claim
Note: This is also a ranking of credibility from 100% down to ~90%
I don't read anything into the absence/presence at EoD1... daydreamarine said, he was there and just didn't post. Others might have done the same. This is all speculation, all we know is, who was there. There might have been players present, who haven't posted and there also could have been players absent, who would have wanted to be there - abuse comes to mind here.
lilwade and mihzaaa for absence Breshke did some work today, that put him into my leaning town. you are also not as scummy for me, as you were, when i made my post.
I'm so scared that MihZaaa is actually legitimately gone, I don't recall any mafia game where a mafia has gotten scum on them and then didn't post all day. I just don't know any other good trains. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to vote for him because I think he's afk. I still think there's a good chance he's scum. But I think he's legitimately afk, which means that his partner will probably be bussing him.
That's exactly why I am not voting him... I may be too lenient, when it comes to this, but being in this game has already changed my stance on killing inactives. I feel I am still cutting them way too much slack. Never thought silence could be as annoying, as it is right now...
go hard on him and mihzaaa. wade has been cut slack from everybody, especially jenny. This credit is used up, after tonight, i feel. Jenny is absolutely right. Going into mylo/lylo with blank-reads just wont work. If we don't get consecutive mafia-lynches and it comes to a do-or-die, i want to be in it with people I have as many sources for reads as possible. Also on daydreamarine... confirmed town or not. He has shown at some points, that he has the time to participate but just doesn't... While marine still has to understand, that activity is key to bringing up thoughts about the game, the other two already should know better.
No... especially bulletproof shouldn't out, i feel. If we go to mylo and no-lynch as jenny suggested, mafia would be given an extra night, by shooting the bulletproof for a nokill and another day in the mylo-scenario.
If we're in MyLo mafia's job will not be to kill roles, mafia's job will be to win. Mafia will simply block + kill whomever, bypassing the bulletproof, and take the win. The only 1/4 chance of survival will come from the Jailer.
@superbia Barakos moved down in my town list because he seemingly gave jenny all this town cred for stuff that i thought didn't really matter like her vote on dook. He is back in my town circle now one of the reasons being this.
gg meatpudding - your death will not be in vain! This kill... it doesn't make any sense to me. Going through mps stuff. There has to be something he said, that triggered this kill. Because I can't believe that superbias promise to dive through any of us was enough to make scum not shoot any of the three of us... we have been reevaluating each other several times now...
There has to be a stronger motive - I'll go digging!
And then when abuse outed that he was blocked
Abuse: Thanks for sharing the pm with ous - not sure, what to make of it right now, will give it some thought. I am not sure, if we really should be speculating about powerroles right now, as it is daytime and powerroles don't matter that much. On the other hand this pm leaves us with 3 possible role-setups. 2 of them include a mafia roleblocker. This would make the kill on meatpudding way more understandable to me, because if mafia has a roleblocker, they know, that there is either a medic or a jailer in town, which means they have to plan their kills around the possible safes, to ensure a kill. This would mean, that there is a high likelyhood that they didn't really want to shoot meatpudding, but went for him, as it was a pretty safe bet, that he would not be protected and they would not waste their shot.
I think if he was mafia he could have just not commented on this as i don't think that by this time anyone had brought up this reasoning yet?
Are you still here, Breshke? If so, could you give your impression on what you make of my case on superbia? I am looking further into it, cause he pointed out, that I was too harsh at one point... Do you see other things that I might interpret too harsh?
I think it is very thought out and no i dont think you are being too harsh. My main problem is that i still see him towny for what happend at the last EoD. Don't you think as mafia he would have put a huge target on his abck by not changing his vote on dook? or maybe he thought this made make him look too flip floppy?
That's exactly the point. He could have kept his vote, to avoid attention and he could have switched his vote, to avoid attention. Both paths were viable at this moment, so his choice isn't alignment indicative. If anything I am willing to give him credit for sticking with his instincts, after he made the choice to vote on gobbledydook. Switching would have looked like trying to avoid blame for the misslynch.
and superbia: no, I don't think so... weddings in eastern europe / russia are really big happenings with lots of vodka. I've seen this first hand. He also might point out, that things are likely to get crazy. :D
I actually don't like this entire situation. Lilwade and mihzaa both probably have perfectly valid reasons for not posting recently but going into mylo tomorrow i feel like for today i personally want to lynch mihzaaa because without him posting i still think he is scum from my previous read. I don't like the fact that though that im voting someone who might not be able to give a defense.
Wait fore some more and see, if Jenny joins in, of if she is too ill. There is a bit new interaction between us, which I felt was positive. I would like to get Jennys opinion on this too.
This could be really bad... With things being as they are, we might kill 3 people tonight? 2 modkilled for not voting + you... If wade doesn't show up, I am revoking my vote on you, since I don't want to see 3 people dead.
I'm not sure if you noticed but my vote is on mihzaaa,as ive said i like how you stuck to your gut and still voted dook. This makes you look towny for me. Barakos doesnt see this point the same way and has also constructed another case against you. I would rather mihzaa or even maybe lilwade be lynched before you but if they flip town it isn't going to help much whereas if you are lynched which is looking likely i think your role reveal weather town or mafia will give a lot more information.
On August 31 2014 09:15 Breshke wrote: I'm not sure if you noticed but my vote is on mihzaaa,as ive said i like how you stuck to your gut and still voted dook. This makes you look towny for me. Barakos doesnt see this point the same way and has also constructed another case against you. I would rather mihzaa or even maybe lilwade be lynched before you but if they flip town it isn't going to help much whereas if you are lynched which is looking likely i think your role reveal weather town or mafia will give a lot more information.
Good to know where you stand. I really don't want to have a misslynch here, but I think we need to choose between inactives.
Superbia i don't know if you have vocied your opinion on this but which would you rather lynch, lilwade or mihzaaa, i see before you mentioned lilwade isnt showing up and we should push on him why not on mihzaa aswell?
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First we should get confirmed how many players will be killed. I highly doubt that two players will be modkilled in a Newbie Mafia Game.
One thing is still unanswered by most of the other players. Why did MeatPudding die, if not for being vocal about Superbia? So far I did not read any other motive if I am not mistaken.
I highly doubt it is because Superbia did softclaim him cop on Day 1.
Sure it could be that he was killed for no particular reason but that would be very risky to do that by Mafia.
On August 31 2014 09:20 Breshke wrote: Superbia i don't know if you have vocied your opinion on this but which would you rather lynch, lilwade or mihzaaa, i see before you mentioned lilwade isnt showing up and we should push on him why not on mihzaa aswell?
I think it's too late to pressure lilwade now, I don't think he will show anymore, and if he is, it might just be too late to make a decision. I think we need to go on MihZaaa here, because I'm 100% a misslynch. Unless other people agree with a vote on lilwade. At this point I'm up for it. He promised a bunch of shit today but he never made it happen.
No players are going to be killed, they're going to get warned. I'm 90% sure of this. Unless mod wants to correct me, I'm going to assume it'll be a warning.
On August 31 2014 09:20 Daydreamarine wrote: First we should get confirmed how many players will be killed. I highly doubt that two players will be modkilled in a Newbie Mafia Game.
One thing is still unanswered by most of the other players. Why did MeatPudding die, if not for being vocal about Superbia? So far I did not read any other motive if I am not mistaken.
I highly doubt it is because Superbia did softclaim him cop on Day 1.
Sure it could be that he was killed for no particular reason but that would be very risky to do that by Mafia.
Many people were vocal on me day 1. You can't really read into lynches like this, because mafia can just do it to put more scum on a town people are already questioning.
On August 31 2014 08:54 Superbia wrote: Will MihZaaa get modkilled for his inactivity tonight? Or will he just get a warning?
If a player fails to vote or post this cycle, they will receive a warning (with the exception of daydreamarine).
Once we enter night 2, there will be no additional warnings or replacements for these offenses. This means that failure to post or vote will result in a modkill, even if it is the player's first offense.
I am not sold on lynching wade. Jenny gave him the benefit of the doubt. If anybody deserves to get lynched for inactivity this day, it is MihZaaa, who failed to post and vote.
Amiko - what happens in the case of this double-infraction?
On August 31 2014 09:33 Barakos wrote: I am not sold on lynching wade. Jenny gave him the benefit of the doubt. If anybody deserves to get lynched for inactivity this day, it is MihZaaa, who failed to post and vote.
Amiko - what happens in the case of this double-infraction?
Actually... I don't fancy voting for you over MihZaaa anymore. This silence is annoying.
I will digg into lilwade tomorrow to get him talking, Jenny is absolutely right, when she says, that blank-reads shouldn't be in mylo, MihZaaa is a blank read, so get rid of him...
On top of that, you made a lot more sense today, than you did all D1 and your posts got more serious. Maybe this pressure was, what was needed, to get you on valid town-game.
I really do hope we lynch an inactive today, going into tomorrow with 6 people 2 of them being inative would be dreadfully painful. The problem is mihzaa went inactive since before the night meaning if he was mafia he wouldnt have been able to submit his actions. I don't put much weight on this though because he could have easily just not posted in the thread but i just thought id bring it up.
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I think in retrospect we should've pressured lilwade earlier to see if he's around. I think MihZaaa is genuinely afk, so he'll never respond. Maybe we could've forced a lilwade appearance. Too late now. Let's hope we hit mafia here.
On August 31 2014 09:43 Breshke wrote: I really do hope we lynch an inactive today, going into tomorrow with 6 people 2 of them being inative would be dreadfully painful. The problem is mihzaa went inactive since before the night meaning if he was mafia he wouldnt have been able to submit his actions. I don't put much weight on this though because he could have easily just not posted in the thread but i just thought id bring it up.
I've already said that I gave lilwade slack day1 due to thinking he softed tracker etc. That is no longer an available role and I wanted to see way more from him. Right now I see him as rather scummy for not taking part in this. I woke up just to be here when it ends btw.
On August 31 2014 09:44 JennyHell wrote: I've already said that I gave lilwade slack day1 due to thinking he softed tracker etc. That is no longer an available role and I wanted to see way more from him. Right now I see him as rather scummy for not taking part in this. I woke up just to be here when it ends btw.
Feeling better I hope? Good to see you Jenny. That's 1 less absent.
On August 31 2014 09:43 Breshke wrote: I really do hope we lynch an inactive today, going into tomorrow with 6 people 2 of them being inative would be dreadfully painful. The problem is mihzaa went inactive since before the night meaning if he was mafia he wouldnt have been able to submit his actions. I don't put much weight on this though because he could have easily just not posted in the thread but i just thought id bring it up.
You do your mafia actions in private though.
I meant he seemingly hasnt been here since D1. Anyways it doesn't really matter its not something that would make me change my vote.
Don't like MihZaaa, has he given up? Beats me. lilwade is hanging on a thin line. He needs to blow me out of the waters for me to feel good about him by now. Breshke, still not convinced on this dude. abuse, if he got RB'd then I have a hard time believing he is mafia. superbia, still just think he's super eager donkey town. I'll have to filter him again to see if I change my mind. Barakos, how about that wedding? daydream, tot's not mafia. Would be surprised if he was.
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As I said last night, I did some digging into lilwade. I still think, we need to discuss, what happend yesterday, I still want to get this out as soon as possible.
lilwade:
You came in with some questions to random people that I felt were to search for possible points where you could attack townfolk and get a misslynch going. In this first post, you missed several posts. For example my criticism on superbias post or my reservations about abuse. I already stated, that I disliked him D1, yet you still asked about my thoughts. So you didn't read all the posts before writing your post... asked general questions and even asked things, that already have been answered only two hours before you made your entrance. If you acutally had payed attention, you would have known this. So why did you actually ask me about superbias case again? Did you want to draw attention to it, cause you liked the fact, that it was pretty confusing?
Then came the night. You went into the night with having MihZaaa as your hardest scumread, because MihZaaas gave a one line reason to vote for gobble, when mihzaaa actually had two posts regarding gobble out of which his vote makes some sense. gobbles retreat was, what triggered his vote, after he pointed out, that gobble came into the thread and just jumped on the actual trend. MihZaaas vote does make sense, again, you just failed to read the thread.
Then the next day, you fail to give a complete answer to my question, why you jumped back and forth... I followed up and you only answered after I reminded you of my post... Again you missed a post... again you leave the impression, that you don't actually read the thread but just hop in and out of it as you please.
Then on D2 you come into the thread and post "Marry - Daydreamarine after his day 2 activity I think it is undeniable this guy is top town." Daydreamarine jumps from being absolutely unreadable to top town for his activitys? For which of them? For his case on superbia, which is flawed as hell or for his general reads on me and jenny, which brought no real new insight?
Or maybe you just read, that I had him as confirmed town but didn't bother with my reasoning, because as I said... Daydreamarine is one of the top towns. But not for his activity, but mostly for missunderstanding rules.
Or maybe - and this is, what I didn't notice up until now - maybe it is, what daydreamarine reads into meatpuddings activity, which is that meatpudding reads superbia as scum and wanted to copcheck him and therefore dies. Totally aside, that daydreamarines logic here is flawed again... but you know, what meatpuddings last words were, before he died? "lilwade is my top scum." You basically liked what daydreamarine said, because he failed to see, that meatpudding read you as top scum and had you on his scumlist almost the entire game. I got sidetracked as hell by Daydreamarine saying, superbia was one of the people, that meatpudding hat on his scumlist, but you were on meatpuddings scumlist the entire time. He even had you as his top scum. This is a possible answer to the question, why meatpudding died, I have missed the entire time, although it was right out there.
So lilwade. You still owe me an answer to my question about you switch back to MihZaaa. And you need to defend yourself. Get active!
On last nights voting: I feel like most of the blame has to be put on me. To give you my reasoning: Me feelings during the night changed from superbia being almost definitly scum at the beginning and when I made my case more to the way Jenny felt about him. His defense was reasonable, his cases on lilwade and breshke made sense but were too weak, to form another wagon, which he realised. In my eyes mafia would have taken any chance to form another wagon, to raise the chances of them not being hit, so him not trying to push through his weak cases gave me town-vibes from him. After that we talked through some stuff and I again got the feeling, that he didn't want to sidetrack me but more or less try to get some final thoughts out of his head, so we would have more to work on, in case of him dieing. At the end of the night, my scumread on him was pretty weak and I had to make the call, with whom I would rather continue playing... the player I had a scumread on or the player, that was pretty much nonexistant. (In hindsight: Shouldn't he have been given a warning, for not posting at night, and then be modkilled for not posting on the following day?) I still feel, in this moment it was the right. I just hate the results.
And what I forgot in my frustration about the latest events: Rest in piece, MihZaaa
I am giving away some of my thoughts on the current state of the game but will follow up with a more thorough analysis later.
"I still feel, in this moment it was the right call."
Me too since not voting gives one an unfair advantage. + Show Spoiler +
that I was actually ashamed at the beginning of the game since I believed I was too naive at the beginning of the game to even play it and accidentally gain an advantage, but after D1 I read some guides and got more confident
But not voting and not posting gives an even greater advantage since players can hardly read you when you dont post much.
What I noticed is that if two people should have died in Night 1 (assuming a Mafia roleblocker can also kill someone) that means Jenny should have died in Night 1, but she did not thus she is confirmed town (I highly doubt she is lying about being jailed, her outing seemed too genuine and sophisticated) and we have one more townie whose information should be trusted (I dont include myself, think for yourself + Show Spoiler +
reverse psychology
).
Last night I did some game analysis and tried to see the game from the perspective of a jailkeeper and Mafia. I came to the conclusion that the Jailkeeper and Mafia (obviously) have more information then the rest of the players and the Jailkeeper must have seen the obvious fake claim by Superbia. Especially after this move was mentioned by Barakos as a valid tactic while the other players still had to come to the conclusion that there are even Jailkeepers (since most of the players are really new and dont immediately see that unlike Superbia).
That is maybe while Jenny and Superbia said that roles should not out. Later though Superbia suggests:
If we're MyLo tomorrow, roles should out, agreed? At the very least bulletproof.
contradicting his statement that roles are not allowed to out. He knows that it is forbidden to out roles (you can ask fo one fake claim via PM as powerrole), but still requests to change the rules of the game, so he can have an easier time by disqualifying enemies who fell for this request? Why else would he want that roles out, or do you just see it as another newbie mistake to make such a request?
Also what caught my attention is that when Superbia is the only one trolling and taunting (he only uses swear words when he wants to provoke Mafia or other players) why does he expect others to mirror him and join in, if it is obviously not their playstyle?
To me ist also makes sense that lilwade wants to get an advantage by not voting/not posting much so other people have a hard time reading him, but lets hear what lilwayne has to say about it.
@Superbia I do not expect you to defend yourself against my statement that you fake claimed (since I could be wrong and you already defended yourself against it) but feel free to comment on my questions about your request to out roles since I have my theory but want to be proved wrong.
Then on D2 you come into the thread and post "Marry - Daydreamarine after his day 2 activity I think it is undeniable this guy is top town." Daydreamarine jumps from being absolutely unreadable to top town for his activitys? For which of them?
On August 31 2014 22:19 Daydreamarine wrote: What I noticed is that if two people should have died in Night 1 (assuming a Mafia roleblocker can also kill someone) that means Jenny should have died in Night 1, but she did not thus she is confirmed town (I highly doubt she is lying about being jailed, her outing seemed too genuine and sophisticated) and we have one more townie whose information should be trusted
This isn't possible, since mafia can only kill one per night. "The mafia-killpower is allways 1" doesn't mean, that all mafia can shoot 1 person per night, but mafia kills 1 person.
So Jenny is by no means confirmed. All we know is, that our Jailer thought, Jenny was the best bet to block and protect. Since meatpudding was shot night 1, this means Jenny was not targeted by mafia night 1. So Jenny is by no means confirmed town.
Also: It is not forbidden to out your role. Everybody can say "I am Disney-Princess Leila, my brother Luke has the power of the force, I have the power to track down people."
This would be a claim, that everybody can make. It doesn't have to be true or false, but it's a tactic. What you are not allowed to do is give out the exact wording of your role-pm. Also the option, to ask amiko for a fake-roleclaim is for mafia-players only, i guess, since they are not given the name of disney-princesses but the names of disney-villains. So they need a valid princess-name, in case they want to fakeclaim.
What superbia proposed everybody to out in the "misslynch and loose"-szenario, we are headed in, to get more townfolk confirmed, so there would be an easier correct lynch, what is a valid tactic. And also note: Claiming you are Role XYZ is perfectly legal. You don't get disqualified for doing this.
See the claim-rules on page 1, points 5,10 and 11.
On August 31 2014 22:19 Daydreamarine wrote: Also what caught my attention is that when Superbia is the only one trolling and taunting (he only uses swear words when he wants to provoke Mafia or other players) why does he expect others to mirror him and join in, if it is obviously not their playstyle?
I'm expecting fellow townies to ask themselves "why is this post here" for every post made. I have no way of communicating with anyone to make a play, so I have to rely on people to figure out why I post it and mirror it. Who cares about playstyle, do whatever it takes to catch scum.
On August 31 2014 22:19 Daydreamarine wrote:@Superbia I do not expect you to defend yourself against my statement that you fake claimed (since I could be wrong and you already defended yourself against it) but feel free to comment on my questions about your request to out roles since I have my theory but want to be proved wrong.
Also no one should out during the night. We'll see tomorrow what kind of situation we're dealing with and whether roles should out, and if so, which one.
Not sure how I feel about PR claiming. It's very situational. The problem with one being a bulletproof is that mafia knows not to put their KP on that person in the night and it will be easier for them to find the jailkeeper, when in this situation he's very much needed. We'll just have to wait and see what happens, and then make that call when we get there.
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Hey Superbia, you said that you don't think MihZaaa and Breshke is in the same team. And that if Breshke flips mafia, then MihZaa is town. How are you feeling about Breshke now that MihZaaaa flipped town?
On September 01 2014 06:43 JennyHell wrote: Hey Superbia, you said that you don't think MihZaaa and Breshke is in the same team. And that if Breshke flips mafia, then MihZaa is town. How are you feeling about Breshke now that MihZaaaa flipped town?
Not sure, to be honest, I'm going to re-evaluate the entire game on the morrow with the new information we have. I'm not sure on anyone at the moment.
I'm planning to do a lot of reading tomorrow. I'm also planning to take the lead when it comes to lynches this time.
Discussing your thoughts and ideas are fully fine, but if we are in mylo we are not risking a misslynch. We no-vote and amp our chances to get it right.
Agree with you on no-voting tomorrow. Also roles-outing shouldn't be done, sooner than lylo. Tomorrow will be either talking and no-voting or thanking god for a deathless night and trying to get our first scum. So completely on board with what you said.
ancing had refreshed the princess’ spirits somewhat, but the loss of another ally made each question themselves. Who could they trust? Their new friends all seemed so wonderful, but everything had been going so wrong…
The night’s actions had taken a particularly hard toll on Breshke. As she thought over the events of the last two days, it was hard to imagine that the wicked could be stopped. To calm her mind, Breske left her room to take a short walk. Walking aimlessly had always relaxed her, for it reminded her of the challenges of her past. Perhaps if good had prevailed then, they could still prevail now.
It began to rain… but something about the chilling weather was refreshing, and sharpened her senses. Things had suddenly become clearer. She drew her sword and thought for a few moments more before she realized what she needed to do.
As she re-entered the castle, Breshke heard a noise that sounded like a muffled scream. Hopefully she would not be too late. She heard a voice calling she recognized as abuse and entered her room. “Abuse? Are you all right?”
It only took a moment for someone to answer in Abuse’s voice. But Breshke’s had already noticed the long blonde braid that belonged to Abuse disappearing into shadows. What stood before her was a monster that had taken the form of lilwade, and she struck without fear. The shadows surrounded her, striking back, but she was not deterred. Even as she suffered mortal wounds, she knew that she had fought bravely against the wicked.
We sleep and we hope JailKeeper saves the VT from being killed, confirming that person. In this case bullet proof will out and mafia will out as bullet proof as well, leaving us with a split decision.
PR outs today, we decide between the two remaining VT who is scum in a split decision.
Either way will come down to a split decision. I honestly thinking outing today is better, since we can have more town to think about the situation. What do you guys think? Am I missing a possible play in the first option?
Barakos' reluctance to push on lilwade last night, despite him promising to reads the most scummy right now. This is just something I remembered from last night though.
On August 31 2014 07:10 Superbia wrote: What will you do if lilwade doesn't show up?
On August 31 2014 07:16 Barakos wrote: go hard on him and mihzaaa. wade has been cut slack from everybody, especially jenny. This credit is used up, after tonight, i feel. Jenny is absolutely right. Going into mylo/lylo with blank-reads just wont work. If we don't get consecutive mafia-lynches and it comes to a do-or-die, i want to be in it with people I have as many sources for reads as possible. Also on daydreamarine... confirmed town or not. He has shown at some points, that he has the time to participate but just doesn't... While marine still has to understand, that activity is key to bringing up thoughts about the game, the other two already should know better.
On September 01 2014 10:38 Superbia wrote: Fuck it, I'm just going to say it.
PRs should out today, we're solving this game today. We don't get anything by sleeping.
This is dumb. I really don't think PR's should out. It's something we can look at later, if at all, it's up to the PR's to decide. For now though, if someone was RB'd they should out.
On September 01 2014 10:38 Superbia wrote: Fuck it, I'm just going to say it.
PRs should out today, we're solving this game today. We don't get anything by sleeping.
This is dumb. I really don't think PR's should out. It's something we can look at later, if at all, it's up to the PR's to decide. For now though, if someone was RB'd they should out.
Why not? I've pointed out that we get nothing by sleeping. It's going to be a split decision either way. We get three towns to decide between two people.
On September 01 2014 10:38 Superbia wrote: Fuck it, I'm just going to say it.
PRs should out today, we're solving this game today. We don't get anything by sleeping.
This is dumb. I really don't think PR's should out. It's something we can look at later, if at all, it's up to the PR's to decide. For now though, if someone was RB'd they should out.
Why not? I've pointed out that we get nothing by sleeping. It's going to be a split decision either way. We get three towns to decide between two people.
That's not true. I'm not going to tell you why it's not true. We shouldn't talk about it. If PR's know what they're doing they'll know what I'm talking about. Basically, you're wrong.
On September 01 2014 10:38 Superbia wrote: Fuck it, I'm just going to say it.
PRs should out today, we're solving this game today. We don't get anything by sleeping.
This is dumb. I really don't think PR's should out. It's something we can look at later, if at all, it's up to the PR's to decide. For now though, if someone was RB'd they should out.
Why not? I've pointed out that we get nothing by sleeping. It's going to be a split decision either way. We get three towns to decide between two people.
That's not true. I'm not going to tell you why it's not true. We shouldn't talk about it. If PR's know what they're doing they'll know what I'm talking about. Basically, you're wrong.
We should definitely no-lynch. Simple as.
Actually, I made a mistake in my logic. You're right.
Morning everybody... What a messy night. rest in peace, abuse and Breshke hope you are, where you belong now, lilwade.
There is still no use in roleclaiming now, what good would it do? Gives mafia easier targets.
##Vote: No Lynch
Superbia: My reluctance to push on lilwade came from the fact, that he wasn't present. I actually say in my quote, that his credit is used up after this night. And look, what I did the first thing in the morning... I followed on my word.
None of you were RB'd? Maybe JK picked abuse, but that'd be an odd pick since it didn't seem likely mafia would pick him after finding out the JK went through even thought they RB'd him. aka, he's not the JK. they'd want to target 2 others. One with RB, one with their kill. lilwade was modkilled for inactivity and not voting, so he probably didn't RB anyone. So either JK put his save on daydream or on abuse and it would have been wasted on abuse.
We can's say with certainty that lilwade got modkilled for not doing his night actions, since abuse was mod killed as well. As such, we don't know which RB it was.
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I hope you are doing a bit better by now Jenny. I will also no lynch so you have a bit more time to recover (since we need input from every remaing players) and so we have enough time to figure out who we will lynch the next day.
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No lynch (all): Superbia, Barakos, Daydreamarine, Jennyhell
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t was quiet the rest of the night, and those remaining in the small group took what little sleep they could. After the losses suffered by both wicked and good, everyone realized how vulnerable they had always been.
All realized that a moment of judgment was at hand, that things would be decided shortly. Yet, they could not find it within themselves to wield the fairies' power to destroy someone who could be their ally... each told themselves there must be another way, some way to be certain, and fell asleep without any new answers.
The day had passed quietly, but it seemed unlikely to last...
I'm not going to give a case at this point, this is simply how I feel at this point in time. I would lynch in the following order, given that I have no additional input from day 4 (tomorrow): #1 lynch - JennyHell #2 lynch - Barakos #3 lynch - daydreamarine
This is all due to relationship with lilwade, and the overall tone of the posts (does it feel like someone wants to seem town, or are they actually trying to figure out the game). Marine was the hardest to read because he feels very new to the whole game, and his content is just plain weird.
The game will come down between a clash of 2 people. Both will know the exact game set up. There will be 1 or 2 people who will have to make the final decision, fully dependent on how good PRs have been tonight. They will not know for sure what is going on.
agic is wonderful and powerful, but it can be terrifying. Lilwade knew that all too well, for she had studied its arts. Spells could reach all too far – it could reach far inwards, into the hearts and thoughts of others. But it could also reach far outwards, even out of the very grave. Lilwade had stolen voices before, but the magic she unleashed now was far beyond that. It twisted and wrapped itself around the sleeping Daydreamarine.
There was a moment, where if he had called for help, perhaps… perhaps they could have been saved. But if that moment ever existed, it came and went, and his silence was assured. Some survived the spell, but the magic was not done.
For a moment, they were in a dark and foggy castle, where the walls seemed to move unnaturally.
It shifted and threw them, but when the magic finally settled they found themselves in a circle, with a crowd around them. In the circle stood a sword, buried half-way to its hilt in an anvil. It’s edge shone.
And for only a moment, those few remaining stared at each other.
And then, they ran for the blade.
Daydreamarine has been modkilled for inactivity (no posts n3) - Sebastian, the Crab (Town Jailkeeper) has been banished!
Are you fucking kidding me, he went inactive? We could've had a 4 person. Even worse, if mafia fucking hit we would've lost. What a shitty game (sorry Amiko, you're doing fucking awesome man, but all these inactives).
What do you think, did I do the last few days? I reread everything, in case it would come to a situation like this... or if any discussion would have sparked up before D4. But since we all got into that silent agreement, that it would only benefit, if they get more information before their final shot, that didn't happen...
But well. Let's see, what Jenny claims, once she joins us... The way it is set up at the moment, it could also be you being the one, who has to make the final call.
On September 04 2014 10:14 Barakos wrote: I am the bulletproof and my protection was used up this night.
HAHAHAHAHA
We gottem bois!
I was worried that Barakos would be the mafia that's got his way in to my town circle and I was right. He's just like Lord Tolkien from last game. Being townread by everyone until the very last end.
I'm Prince Phillip, the real bulletproof and my vest was hit tonight. Barakos is the last mafia. Thanks for claiming my role, made it a lot easier to find you.
Night 1 I tried superhard to be hit by that bullet, but that didn't happen. And I was thinking to myself, who'd not want me in final 3, probably Barakos. Daydream and Barakos had been buddying up to eachother so if I was out of the picture it would have been easy for him to misslynch Superbia. But I bet you didn't count on me being the BP, did ya?! Hah!
I've even hinted earlier in the thread that I'm not a princess.
On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote: Marry I'm not quite ready to marry someone yet, but I do have a keen eye for Barakos. How about we do a temporary engagement. Will you be my lovely bride?
In hindsight, such a shit tier read, but if we look past the fact that I read Barakos completely wrong, I asked him to be my bride. Why would I as a girl ask a guy to be my BRIDE?! Because I am a GUY in the game. I am Prince Phillip, the Dashing Hero.
Other than that I've been super towny all game, even multiple times told everyone to not feel like anyone is confirmed even though it's made you guys feel iffy about me. Also, why I wanted no claims yesterday was because if a save happens or if I get hit then it's so much easier to find out who the last mafia is.
You played a really good game, Barakos, but it's over for you now. So, let's get rid of this scum and win the game!
On September 04 2014 10:26 Barakos wrote: What do you think, did I do the last few days? I reread everything, in case it would come to a situation like this... or if any discussion would have sparked up before D4. But since we all got into that silent agreement, that it would only benefit, if they get more information before their final shot, that didn't happen...
But well. Let's see, what Jenny claims, once she joins us... The way it is set up at the moment, it could also be you being the one, who has to make the final call.
Because he knew he had shot me and I didn't die. Nice to out yourself with your extra information there, Barakos!
Superbia, if you find it difficult to see the logic, think about it like this.
If I was mafia, would I really CC someone who's been townread the entire game? Or would I go for ez win ez rares by trying to act towny and get you out instead, seeing as he's had you as scummy almost the entire game? Why would I intentionally make it extra difficult for myself?
Conclusion, I am not mafia. I am actually the real BP and I'm CC'ing because he claimed my flippin role. I've seen you as town because I saw a bit of myself and my friend from our first game in you. While other kept calling you scummy I called you (word I'm not allowed to use) town. Although not the kindest of reads, I was being genuine and honest about it. While he tried to fling scum.
Well... this makes it easy for me. I am Quasimodo, the Tragic Hero and you, JennyHell, are a fraud.
## vote JennyHell
And your defense is also nothing but some breadcrumbs you threw out the whole game, to lure us into your gingerbread house!
On September 04 2014 11:20 JennyHell wrote: Night 1 I tried superhard to be hit by that bullet, but that didn't happen. And I was thinking to myself, who'd not want me in final 3, probably Barakos. Daydream and Barakos had been buddying up to eachother so if I was out of the picture it would have been easy for him to misslynch Superbia. But I bet you didn't count on me being the BP, did ya?! Hah!
It's not like you were the only one, being town. Superbia and me were with you the whole night, trying to push the game further. We all were not sure, who would hit the that night and if we would live till the next morning... well... you of course knew, who would be the target and I knew, I would live, the only one gessing was superbia but still you did nothing extraordinary during the night. What really made you look town at the end of N1 was your attempt to get everybody from gobbledydook to breshke in D1. A very good way, to get townpoints, you even fooled me there, but in the end, you tried to make people switch from townie A to townie B, since you just didn't care, which of them died, but you sure looked good at that moment.
And where was I buddying up with marine? The only thing I did all game was call him out for his out-of-this-world reads and flawed logic and correct him, when he missunderstood rules.
On September 04 2014 11:20 JennyHell wrote: I've even hinted earlier in the thread that I'm not a princess.
On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote: Marry I'm not quite ready to marry someone yet, but I do have a keen eye for Barakos. How about we do a temporary engagement. Will you be my lovely bride?
In hindsight, such a shit tier read, but if we look past the fact that I read Barakos completely wrong, I asked him to be my bride. Why would I as a girl ask a guy to be my BRIDE?! Because I am a GUY in the game. I am Prince Phillip, the Dashing Hero.
Because we are all princesses maybe? Why would you ask a princess to be your groom? Doesn't make sense and is just you trying to find things, that affirm your counterclaim and now you come up with a roleplay-line. If you haven't read it yet... I agreed on your second proposal by saying "be my princess and I'll be yours". Just note, that I didn't say anything about being "your prince", because I was under the impression, that we agreed on being a same-sex couple... Of course I could now make something up and say that I didn't write "I'll be your prince.", because I was just the ugly hunchback to confirm my own claim, but that wouldn't be honest and I won't resort to roleplay-lines to do that.
On September 04 2014 11:20 JennyHell wrote: Other than that I've been super towny all game, even multiple times told everyone to not feel like anyone is confirmed even though it's made you guys feel iffy about me. Also, why I wanted no claims yesterday was because if a save happens or if I get hit then it's so much easier to find out who the last mafia is.
Of course you were super-towny all game... that's what you had to try, because lilwade didn't do anything to help you, so you had to pull the weight of the two of you. The way you tried to achieve this is by becoming top town and pretending like you had some positive reads on him but were not quite sure yet, to make everybody look away from wade, since you did the same... I am quite a bit embarrassed to say, that it worked with me for such a long time. But your way of being super-towny was nothing more than telling people to stay alert and of course now it makes you look good, because now you can point everywhere in the thread and tell everybody "look, i told you not to trust me, ain't i super town?" I must admit, I didn't do such a thing, because I was fully aware of the possibility of everybody being potentially mafia except the dead and didn't need to remind myself of this all the time. The only thing I did, was try to prevent unjustified accusations, that were over the top and call people out for posts they missed and defend people from marines flawed logic. I guess, it's up to superbia now, to tell, what was really genuine and what was part of a bigger scheme, made up by mafia to look as well-intentioned as possible.
On September 04 2014 10:26 Barakos wrote: But well. Let's see, what Jenny claims, once she joins us... The way it is set up at the moment, it could also be you being the one, who has to make the final call.
Because he knew he had shot me and I didn't die. Nice to out yourself with your extra information there, Barakos!
There is no extra information in there? Nobody dieing and the jailer being modkilled for inactivity is a clear sign of mafia hitting me (or the modkilled jailer, but who would go for that?). Everybody can do this math... The only thing I do, is remind superbia of the possibility of you counterclaiming my role instead of Vanilla Town, which you did in the end.
On September 04 2014 11:38 JennyHell wrote: If I was mafia, would I really CC someone who's been townread the entire game? Or would I go for an easy win by trying to act towny and get you out instead, seeing as he's had you as scummy almost the entire game? Why would I intentionally make it extra difficult for myself?
I edited out the crap you had in that post; stop trying to make me angry, please. You realize, the same questions apply for me too? Superbia at this point claimed he was VT by saying, he wasn't the bulletproof. Now why would I make superbia make the choice between you and me and not you make the choice between him and me? I mean... up until this point we were married, right? So it doesn't make any sense for me, to try and go against you in head-to-head.
My guess, why you decided to go up vs me: You read superbias last post and you read my statement, where I say, that his post looks damn honest and that I have serious concerns about his position as top scum, so you didn't want me to make the final call but him, because you could use the fact, that he had you as top scum, to mindgame him into lynching me. Of course, superbias list of people, he thinks are mafia, is also something, that you could bring up as reason, why I decided to go vs you and not vs him...
In the end superbia will have to decide, who is actually genuine.
I'm going to be asking you guys questions until the day is over. The very first thing I would like you to do is walk over your own play of the entire game.
I maybe risk our victory by calling you out on this, but this is not the question to ask (yourself) in this situation... You are basically saying "I am not sure, who of you two is trustworthy, so could you please both tell me, how you feel about your play." You are basically asking scum to lie about their whole game, which is bound to confuse you...
You know, how the game went and you know, how the answers are gonna be (more or less)... I will tell you, that I did, what I did to keep the thread constructive, to eliminate unfounded suspicions and basically to win the game for town. Jenny is gonna tell you, that she did, what she did, because she wanted everybody to stay alert, to focus everybody on the mafia-hunt and to never give anybody a free pass.
It is your job now, to determine, whose motives you question and whose you don't. The two of us talking about the game again will give you a 2nd and 3rd opinion on everything, which will only derail you from finding your answer, since it takes away from the time you got, to reevaluate everything and come to a correct solution.
So the questions to us should not be "why are you town". Your question at us should be something like "jenny, why did you cut lilwade so much slack, when at day one you already found out, that he wasn't softclaiming tracker, cause he didn't follow up on your question?" and "barakos, why did you push lilwade only after the misslynch and not before?"... it should be about things, that are unclear to you.
This kind of question I will gladly answer and this will help you determine, who did things because he was town and who did things because he was pretending to be town. The question you asked above is too general, so I will give you a short answer to not derail you further: What I did was all in order to keep the thread as clean as possible, to not give mafia a place to hide. I was never afraid to speak my mind and to defend somebody of false or illogical accusations, I tried to prevent people from jumping at conclusions and only took a definite stance on somebody, when I was sure enough of myself.
lilwade, lilwade, wherefore art thou, lilwade?! On the mountain tonight? How can I follow you if there's no footprint to be seen?
This was part of my first ever post in the thread. I have explained that I thought he softed tracker, why would I think tracker out of everything unless I knew there was a bulletproof? Which is also why I gave him slack.
I also didn't pick up on the "cop soft claim" that someone thought meatpudding did, because my mind was never on the setup of there being a cop.
On August 26 2014 16:59 JennyHell wrote: Hi MihZaaaa, we shall indeed cleanse the world! Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny. I like that you are being wary of me. I am not confirmed to anyone but myself, but that said, I am a good ally to have in this world where wickedness have taken over. We need to banish it once and for all and save all of disneytopia!
First time I say I'm not confirmed, more on that later. I do mention how I'm a good ally to have, because I am a PR.
When you asked me to explain my comments about Meatpudding, I went back to the old game and dug out his old opening at some random page to show what I meant. So I took the effort to actually SHOW you what I meant and not just explain it.
On August 27 2014 02:29 JennyHell wrote: Evening, my dears. Let's have a lil chat, shall we?
On August 27 2014 01:39 Superbia wrote: Also I want Jenny to explain herself on the MeatPush (very top of post).
Ok, so.. Since there are some of you that have expressed concern for my "push" on meatpope, I have now gone back to the old thread to give you an example of what kind of post I'm used to seeing from meatpoke.
Example 1.) This is his first post in the thread. The game started July 29 2014 15:20. and his absolutely first post came in July 30 2014 11:09.
On July 30 2014 19:09 meatpudding wrote: Hey guys. Anyone still here? I'm going to look through the thread.
As you can see, no flavour, no nothing. Not at all the same kind of opening as he did this game. Which is why it caught my eyes. And I wanted to let everyone know that he doesn't seem the same as last game.. Why? Ask him, not me. But here's my 2 cents.
The reason might have been because he entered so late in the game so we've already come to the serious part of day 1, so there was no opportunity for him to add flavour. Although, if you ask me, I'd probably add flavour either way. People have been known to call me "Flavour Flav" after all.
Or, he might just be scum, wanting to hide among the flavour of everyone else.
The fact that it was different than his last game still stands. It was different, so I'm going to keep my eyes on meatproduce. It's really not that difficult to understand, is it?
Here is another time where I explain that noone is confirmed to anyone but themselves so far:
On August 26 2014 22:29 Barakos wrote: On Jenny: I think Jenny is playing very similar to the last Newbie-Mafia and trys to get the thread going / is very vocal, so seeing that she was town the last game, I read her as town for now, although i am not very sure, since she stated herself:
On August 26 2014 16:59 JennyHell wrote: Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny.
Still most towny person at the moment.
It's healthy to be suspicious of everyone. One should never be treated as a "confirmed" unless they actually are 100% confirmed. At least that's my motto and I try to make everyone adapt the same kind of mindset.
Besides, who wouldn't try to appear town as mafia, amirite? It's in the basics of the game really, otherwise they may as well just concede and be done with.
I've done this multiple times during the game to make sure that noone was seen as confirmed that wasn't. New people easily see this as a way to gain easy town points but extremely rarely does a mafia do this because he's basically shooting himself in the foot and telling the town to not see him as confirmed town. He'd either want to do what lilwade was doing and try to skate by without having too much attention on them, or they want to do like Barakos and be seen as town by everyone and stay there to more easily win in final 3. Barakos did a good job pretending to be town.
so I mentioned I didn't notice a cop soft claim, because my mind wasn't in that territory at all, I did however notice other small things, like your miscalculation of your reads. And asked you about it.
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Alright, I'm ready to make a small town circle and mafia circle already!
I would like to welcome the follow people to my town circle: - JennyHell - Barakos
I would like to lynch the following people: - Breshke - abuse (borderline)
I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle.
The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse. Care to explain that?
Here is a post about the cop soft claim.
On August 28 2014 04:30 JennyHell wrote: Barakos To start with I have a question. Do you usually answer your own questions before you let the person you ask answer? "Hey, I'm feeling awesome today, how are you?". I agree that if abuse had never answered the question himself, it would have been scummy. But to call him out on it so shortly after the question is a bit odd I think.
On Abuse: I didn't like you posting questions before answering them yourself...
You agreed with me on the soft-claim not really seeming like a soft claim, which could mean numerous things. I know why I felt that way, but even though you explained it, I have yet to truly figure out why. You picked up on the same thing I did about Superbia and his flawed maths, so that means you're paying attention and you chose to phrase it by asking rather than accusing, which I liked. You are creating conversation with people, putting your logic out there, taking theirs in. You take everyone into consideration, not leaving anyone out, which I like. There's really no need for you rethink your standpoint on me, Barakos. But again, some general suspicion is healthy.
Like I said, I know why I didn't think it was a cop claim, because I'm BP so I know it wasn't an option. And again I told people that general suspicion/not confirming non confirmed is good.
On August 28 2014 04:35 JennyHell wrote: Before I give my BMK list I'd like to further express 2 things.
1.) We all need to make shorter concise posts, so that mafia can't hide in the big posts. It's much easier when they have time to make their big posts that they can make more sense. Just fyi.
2.) I didn't quite expect people to take my own explanation for how I play as me being neutral. Did I scare you all from thinking I'm town? Let me make this clear. Would I play the same? Yes! People should always go out of their way to be as towny as possible. Mafia will have a much harder time being townies than actual townies, would you believe that?! Amazing how it works.
On 1, I bring up a valid point. It's very towny! On 2, I facepalm at the fact that everyone take my "noone is confirmed" as a "read me as neutral" because it's sooo BS that everyone got iffy about me and me ONLY when I said that, when it was supposed to be meant for all. It was to protect us from situations like this one with Barakos.
On August 28 2014 05:14 JennyHell wrote: Superbia, how invested do you feel in this game? Do you feel like you're being misread and if so, what would you be able to do differently to make people see you less scummy? Do you think mafia will try to stay under the radar or go out of their way and be one of the more noticable people?
This is where I saw something of myself and my friend in you, Superbia. I was asking relevant questions and it's also where I started to have an odd feeling about Barakos, but decided to put it aside for the time being. I always carried that worry that Barakos is the mafia having infiltrated my town circle.
On August 28 2014 06:01 JennyHell wrote: Seeing your responses to my questions I am beginning to like you a bit more. I'm willing to change my vote from you. You're probably just misunderstood town.. FFFFf.. haha. You're getting a townpass for today, I want to see more from you during the night and tomorrow.[/b
Here you can see me "flipping" on you, because I saw myself in you. Flipping a read is not scummy if there is something that triggers it.
I explained day1 how I was when I played my first game. I'll quote it for you here, it'll explain my questions to you about how invested you were in the game.
On August 27 2014 02:42 JennyHell wrote: Another thing I'd like to specify is what I mean whenever I say I was "too towny".
Last game was my first forum mafia game, and it kind of came as a shock to me how seriously I took it, how invested I was in it and when I was dead I was still following it closely, trying to solve the puzzle, almost ripping my hair out of my head from the frustration of not being able to voice my opinion and help the town on their way to victory.
Therefore, according to me, I was too towny. Too many people read me as town and mafia decided to get rid of me. Yes, I agree that taking a rolebullet as VT is a good thing, but I just really really really wanted to play!
On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote: Marry I'm not quite ready to marry someone yet, but I do have a keen eye for Barakos. How about we do a temporary engagement. Will you be my lovely bride?
As tempting as it sounds to have you as my bastion of light, hope and all that is good in this world of wickedness... I am afraid I can't fully commit to being your bride right now.
But let's talk some more and see, where it goes from here, shall we?
You say lilwade is playing like last game and therefore have him in your banglist for now, even though he isn't very active. And at the same time your feeling about meatpudding is, that he plays a different game as last time, yet still you give him enough credit to put him on your banglist - at least for a one night stand. So my question is - why do you treat both the same, while only one of them is behaving as he used to do in the last game?
It's really simple actually. Meat is scummy because I don't recognize this side of him, but his logic and his reads makes sense to me even if I don't agree fully on them. I like his approach to the game.
lilwade is acting the same, and although he's not contributed much, I don't feel ready to lynch him this day due to something I noticed that I don't feel comfortable sharing right now.
Many things to take note of in this one. 1, me asking Barakos to be my BRIDE. 2, Barakos saying he's not willing to be my BRIDE. 3, Me yet again talking about the soft I thought lilwade made. If I spoke of it I would have outed to mafia what possible setups I saw and that I had more information so they'd know I was a role. Seeing as the mafia had a roleblocker they knew the setup and if I would have said I thought lilwade was the tracker they'd know I'm BP and I'd never take a bullet, which is something I wanted to do because it would have given town an extra misslynch before being in a bad situation.
On August 28 2014 07:19 JennyHell wrote: It's less than 3 hours left. I'd like for people to get more active! We need more conversation amongst eachother. Short bursts and more people active.
Here I again mention it should be shorter posts so easier to out mafia and easier to make quick conversation. This was also a very important moment of the first day where no wagons had been made yet. So my next post was:
On August 28 2014 07:20 JennyHell wrote: lilwade, even though I get your vote on MihZaaaa, he currently doesn't seem like a possible lynch.
Can we have 2 wagons made?
Town alert! Town alert! Town alert!
On August 28 2014 07:58 JennyHell wrote: Two hours left and we still haven't sorted out proper wagons. This is atrocious! It's like a playground for mafia!
Wasn't it, Barakos? Good job getting gobble misslynched even though I tried my hardest to save him.
What followed was lots of short bursts of be trying to defend gobble who wouldn't even defend himself properly, which I did because I felt in my gut that he was town. Risky play indeed. Best case scenario he flips town and I take a bullet in the night. Worst case scenario, he flips mafia and I seem like I tried to protect a mafia teammate and then I'd have to claim my role, which I did not want to do. But I felt super strongly that gobble was town so I defended him and 1 of the mafia moved off him, along with 1 town. I called out flaws people made in their votes. Saying he's probably town but still voting for him. Noone else picked up on that detail. Town alert!
I took my time with gobble, tried to reason with him, ask him questions. I was the first to give him a shot, and only after I did others started too.
On August 28 2014 08:13 JennyHell wrote: Can people stop using the F-word please! This is bang out of order and should not exist, especially not in a newbie game. Take all the bad attitude and get it out of here.
Gobble - The way you've been acting is just making things worse. It's making people read you scummy. Resorting to bad manner instead of trying to explain yourself is not a good town play. Why won't you even give it a try?
I did. No one listened. Wrote off what I said as useless. If no one is going to listen to me anyway why should I try
Because even if you feel like noone is listening you should definitely try try try and try again. If you are dying now, then don't let your last time alive be fruitless. Scumhunt, get your reads out there. Make people realize at least further down the line that they were wrong, being able to get back to your posts, and make new calculations of the game based on that new information. Giving up is the absolute worst thing ever, especially if one is VT, because people think that "Oh VT have no important role" wrong. It's a numbers game. If we keep our numbers up it'll increase our chances of outliving the mafia.
On August 28 2014 08:44 JennyHell wrote: What I don't like right now is how hard everyone was willing to go at gobble without questioning him at all. It wasn't until I started asking questions that other people did too.
Then again I pressured people about the wagons:
On August 28 2014 08:48 JennyHell wrote: Can we please please please divide into two proper wagons?
On August 28 2014 09:18 JennyHell wrote: Wouldn't it be more beneficial for town if we lynch a mafia today instead of a ragemonster that clearly overreacted but most people say it probably town yet still voting for?
On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote: Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me?
To me he felt like annoyed town that flipped crazy balooba over something that I have no clue what.
Right now the only way I see him mafia is if you're partnered with him, since he went craycray after your vote on him and maybe it's a buss by his teammate. I dno..
The only way I saw him as mafia at that point was if he flipped because his teammate bussed him. That didn't seem very likely, especially since I had you as a town read then. Another reason for my hard defense.
On August 28 2014 09:33 JennyHell wrote: The point with my vote is that there is no caveat in my vote. I don't say "you're probably town, let's kill you!"
Oh my gawd, can one get more towny?
During the first night I took time to explain some things to the Roleplayer, town alert!
On August 28 2014 11:29 JennyHell wrote: Daydreamarine, Your roleplaying is hilarious and I don't mind you doing it, but there are certain things you need to understand.
You HAVE to vote. Everyone must vote before the end of the day. You need to figure out the 2 people you think are the wicked ones. If they outlive the rest of us this game is over and we have lost. It's basically a communicative puzzle. Don't expect many people liking your roleplay, because it's so out of the ordinary, it could make them feel as if you are not focusing on the game and could potentially get you mislynched. So if you intend on keeping on with the roleplaying, don't forget to actually analyze the game in ways that even us non-roleplayers can understand. That way we can read you where you are coming from and get a better knowledge of wether or not you are one of the wicked ones.
During the night I gave you all some really important and good pointers. Yet again saying noone is confirmed.
On August 28 2014 23:31 JennyHell wrote: I am not going to do much during the nightphase. Mafia doesn't need more reasons to shoot me and I will instead spend most of the nightphase sorting out my reads privately, doing some votecounting and what not.
All I want to say is that the only one that is confirmed town is the guy that died. Noone else is confirmed. To me, it's me and a dead guy. To you it should be you and a dead guy. Yes, people have been doing towny things but that should not make them confirmed, me included. I went hard on defense of Gobble because I have experience of similar behaviour in people playing videomafia. There was no logical reason for him to flip as mafia in that particular moment unless so and so had happened. That along with the fact that everyone was willing to vote him off because of BM just felt like everyone dropped their initial thought of scumhunting and instead went for someone, like I pointed out they said, they feel is town but vote on anyways.
We all need to go back, filter through all the bogus of day1 and try to sort our reads out. We have new information that gobble is confirmed town. Who did he align himself with, who went hard against him, who did he read as scum and why. All these things are something we need to take into consideration, and then we also need to look at the voting patterns. Who voted and when, who decided to go at him after he used profanity etc.
Do some leg work people, I know I will.
I come back and bring up logic about the voting, I also come back with info about gobble during the entire day1. I did crazy leg work, did the others?!
On August 29 2014 05:08 JennyHell wrote: Barakos, you mention that if MihZaa flips red you think I could possibly be his scum partner. Try to see it from the other end. What if I were to flip scum, who'd be my partner then? Do you still reach the same conclusion that it would be MihZaaaa? That said, how likely do you feel it is that I flip scum after I've been vomiting town all over this entire game?
Barakos mentioned me being scum if MihZaaa is scum. So I asked him to take the train from the other direction and see if he ended up where he started, town town town! He said something and then asked me not to ask him those kind of questions anymore, and I responded with this:
On August 29 2014 06:14 JennyHell wrote: Barakos, the reason I asked was because you were willing to make analogies based on whether MihZaa flipped scum, so I wanted to see if you felt like you'd come to the same conclusion if you swapped it around, because I wouldn't have.
Interaction with mafia goes both ways and if you are willing to put 2 people together, you must be able to see it lining up from both directions, but he couldn't, because none of us are mafia!
Before night ended I made a super towny post about reads and then I gave my reads and quoted my previous post.
On August 29 2014 06:37 JennyHell wrote: If I die tonight, then look in to these people:
Breshke, I went hard at him and he was my final vote. He's also not contributed much in my opinion. lilwade, his activity is super low. I saw something in one of his posts that gave him a pass for the day and was going to keep my eyes on him for day 2. He should not be off the scum radar. Barakos, I know most of us are reading him as town but remember, noone is confirmed! Daydreamarine, I asked him a question during the night and tried to do it in a roleplay fashion. Make sure he answers it and hopefully that will help you with him.
On August 29 2014 06:20 JennyHell wrote: Moving on, what I'd like for us to do is this:
1. Be up front about your reads. It's ok to change your mind, it's not scummy. It shows you are willing to re-evaluate as more information comes up.
2. Don't leave anyone out. If you are unsure, say you are unsure and why.
3. Please please please!!! Do not say "I think he may be town but he's scummy" Pick one or at least which way they are leaning. Because it's hella confusing. I get one can be unsure of reads. I have many of those I am not a 100% on, but at some point you will have to start trusting yourself and your reads and instead allow them to change your mind according to what I said in point 1.
Strong stances people. It's better to change your mind as more info comes to you. This is day 2 coming up and we've already had 1 mislynch. We can't afford many more.
To end this post, no matter who dies, ask yourself who had anything to gain from this nightkill.
I was talking as if I would die because I was hoping I'd get shot, so noone would have died. Also, look, both mafia in there. I should have listened to my own reads more.
That's day1 and n1, I have to go do some cleaning now, got company tomorrow morning. I'll come back and finish this up a little bit later. This post is nastily long already anyways.
On August 29 2014 12:58 JennyHell wrote: Ok, so why was meatpudding the kill? The rolehunting seems real. I think it had something to do with that cop soft claim that was mentioned during day1. That even he said wasn't at all a soft. I guess they just didn't want to take the risk.
The one that I knew was not real!
On August 29 2014 14:39 JennyHell wrote: Today we really need to focus on creating wagons. Wagons help us get proper information about voting! The way day1 ended was not good for town.
If we had proper wagons D1 I might have been able to save gobble from being mislynched. Therefore, asking for it D2.
Abuse then came out and said he was roleblocked/jailkept/both. I ask him further questions about it, since I was also, and I felt it was more likely that I was jailkept than roleblocked if it was between me and abuse. Therefore, I shouldn't out that I was jailkept because then I give away the exact setup to mafia, seeing as the nightkill was meatpudding, the guy that supposedly claimed cop.
On August 29 2014 17:44 JennyHell wrote: Abuse, a couple of questions while you are here:
I have no clue what question I must have missed that you were talking about, would you mind directing me to it?
Why do you think you were roleblocked? Do you think they think you softed a role?
How come lilwade is so high on your list? I gave him a pass for Day1, but I don't feel the same anymore.
I then followed up my comment about lilwade.
On August 29 2014 23:50 JennyHell wrote: Ok, here's my explanation for why I gave lilwade slack day 1 and don't feel the same anymore.
He comes out in his first post by saying "Let it go, let it goooo!" I instantly think about the song and realizes that there are some words in it that would fit a tracker amazingly, so I say "How am I supposed to follow you if there's no footprint to be seen?" to see if he reacts to it. He responded rather cheerfully and then at a later stage I felt that he softed tracker in one of his posts. Now that abuse has come out as being roleblocked it means that tracker is a less likely role, unless abuse is testing us all to see if he can out roles.
Roles should not out, by the way.
But that also meant that I'm back to the point where I feel like lilwade just haven't done enough. Therefore, no longer cutting him the slack that I did day1.
However, I still had scummier reads, so I wanted to push on those first. But as you can see I no longer cut him the slack that Barakos claim I did.
By this point I still didn't want to reveal to mafia what the setup was. I thought about it a long while and then came my post where I told people I was RB/JK.
On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote: I don't think this is a question to the mod but if there is two mafia alive and one gets role blocked does it stop their kp for that night? Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out.
I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while. I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought.
I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me. I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of.
The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup.
If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there. However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction.
Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information.
TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game.
This explains my abuse lie thing, a possibility since I didn't know who the mafia were.
On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote: I don't think this is a question to the mod but if there is two mafia alive and one gets role blocked does it stop their kp for that night? Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out.
I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while. I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought.
I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me. I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of.
The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup.
If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there. However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction.
Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information.
TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game.
Can you explain the bolded part to me? To me it could just be a way to hard confirm yourself town while you LOL your way to probably another easy miss lynch during D2. Putting town in a MyLo situation (4 town vs 2 scum).
In any case, I don't see a world in which mafia roleblocks you. You were jailed by town who tried to save you from being lynched.
Firstly, in a MyLo you novote and let it go to final 3.
Secondly, the bolded part. It's just one theory that circled in my head before I went to bed. Say abuse is mafia roleblocker, he outs he was roleblocked/jailed to see if anyone else says they have been. Someone that isn't the one he used his roleblocking on. That way he knows there is a jailkeeper in the game and can stop worrying about the possibility of a cop outing.
This was again in correlation to the nightkill having "soft claimed cop".
I got a fever and decided to spend most of the time resting. The activity was poor and there were no wagons. So I came back and helped town on the right foot.
On August 31 2014 00:33 JennyHell wrote: Okay, I refuse to see this day end like day 1 did. We need to start forming the wagons so that everyone can defend themselves, should they need it, based on their timezones.
MihZaa is going to be my target. He's a huge questionmark for me, he's done nada today which is an important day and this might seem like a dumb thing to say but I don't want to risk having a huge questionmark like him in final 3.
Barakos, I like your case on Superbia, but I can't help but feel he is just donkey town. I also agree that Daydreamarine is town. I have huge difficulties seeing him as mafia, especially with all the "dumbtelling" he's been doing. And I love the fact that he was willing to give up the roleplay and try this game out.
Breshke, still not feeling ok with you, but atleast you've been here and acted somewhat more ok today. I will keep my eyes on you and just because you're not MY wagon for today doesn't mean you are town.
lilwade, I'm done giving you slack for softing Tracker. I wouldn't be surprised if I just misread the entire situation and you didn't soft at all. You need to amp up your activity if you're to convince me you're town.
abuse, I still have you as a towny. You and Barakos both gave good reasons for superbia being scummy, and while I don't necessarily agree it just feels like it's towny coming from you. As soon as you came out with having been roleblocked I kept asking myself "Why would mafia target abuse?" and this semi-confirmed you for me. They obviously thought you were a threat enough to want to block you. If it's the other way around, that I was blocked and you were jailed, which I don't think is likely, then I don't understand what the Jailer is doing.
Anyways, let's form those wagons!
##Vote: MihZaaa
As you can see I didn't even tell my stance on Barakos this day because I had put him back to neutral. lilwade was still scummy and I asked him to amp up his activity if he were to prove himself town to me.
On August 31 2014 00:40 JennyHell wrote: Vote vote vote people. The sooner you vote so we get an overview the better for town!
Wow, look at that towny making a towny comment!
On August 31 2014 02:20 JennyHell wrote: lilwade, MihZaa, Superbia As soon as you guys log on, make sure to vote. The sooner we have our wagons the better overview town gets and the wagons can defend themselves. Living in the dark, not knowing where day2 is headed is bad. We don't want a repeat of day1.
Another towny comment, especially since I didn't like 2 of the people in there. lilwade and MihZaa. I did not want mafia to swing the votes at the end.
Now take a look at these 2 comments:
On August 31 2014 09:44 JennyHell wrote: I've already said that I gave lilwade slack day1 due to thinking he softed tracker etc. That is no longer an available role and I wanted to see way more from him. Right now I see him as rather scummy for not taking part in this. I woke up just to be here when it ends btw.
On August 31 2014 09:46 JennyHell wrote: Totally not feeling better, but I wanted to be here for the end of day.
As a mafia I would have known I'd already secured a mislynch due to the 2 wagons, so I wouldn't have cared to set an alarm and wake up when having fever, just to be there at the end. I cared enough to put my own health aside and want the best for town. If this doesn't speak for me being town, I don't know what does.
On August 31 2014 10:13 JennyHell wrote: This is bad.. We'll enter mylo.. Fffff...
A genuine reaction to what might happen unless I get shot or JK gets a save.
On September 01 2014 03:33 JennyHell wrote: Not sure how I feel about PR claiming. It's very situational. The problem with one being a bulletproof is that mafia knows not to put their KP on that person in the night and it will be easier for them to find the jailkeeper, when in this situation he's very much needed. We'll just have to wait and see what happens, and then make that call when we get there.
Said this because I am the BP and I didn't want to out because it's a bad play for town. If I was mafia I'd easily have gone with you on that silly idea, hoping for a PR to claim so I'd have an easier time knowing who is safe to kill in the night.
This bit was funny actually. I wanted to help the JK without letting mafia know who it was.
On September 01 2014 20:52 JennyHell wrote: None of you were RB'd? Maybe JK picked abuse, but that'd be an odd pick since it didn't seem likely mafia would pick him after finding out the JK went through even thought they RB'd him. aka, he's not the JK. they'd want to target 2 others. One with RB, one with their kill. lilwade was modkilled for inactivity and not voting, so he probably didn't RB anyone. So either JK put his save on daydream or on abuse and it would have been wasted on abuse.
Daydreamarine, were you RB'd?
I was fairly sure that Daydream was the jailkeeper as this point and hinted at him that he should claim being RB'd so that mafia wouldn't think he was the one, and perhaps try to shoot me instead, because then none would die in the night. I think he picked up on it, because he claimed having been RB'd. I think it worked, I was shot in the night. Sadly enough Daydream didn't do anything in the night so he was modkilled. SO MANY MODKILLS THIS GAME..... Why do people sign up and agree to this and then don't play it? Like, I don't get it. Have nothing to say in the night? At least make a smiley.. Or something to show you are still active. Town was forced into a mylo due to modkills and luckily my vest was hit in the night or otherwise Barakos would have won with a kill seeing as there was a modkill as well.
And here we are, with Barakos claiming my role and me counterclaiming him, the way you want it to happen, Superbia.
I don't mind this mkb-lists, since I feel, they are too general, especially in the twilight-zone between mafia and scum. I never bothered giving one (i gave a list of scum/leaning scum/leaning mafia/mafia, but no mkb) and if you reread my filter, you will find, I most of the time speak in terms of town/scum and leaning town/scum.
When EoD2 came, there was some kind of relaxed athmosphere in the thread. Everybody was in a bit more joke-y mood and that kind of got to me. It had not much to do with ingame content, since Jenny wasn't present for most part of D2, due to her being sick. Really more a "spur of the moment"-thing. Plus: at that time she sill was my top-town
Well it surely is one way to put my reading skills to the test.
I would prefer to close out this game tonight to be honest. I don't think I can get much more information, and I think I'll be ready to make my decision tonight. If everyone agrees with this, can we move the vote deadline to tonight instead of tomorrow?
On September 05 2014 00:41 Superbia wrote: Some directed questions for now:
Jenny, why did you want to marry Barakos at EoD2? Barakos, why did you agree?
Because I wasn't sure on him anymore and therefore I wanted to see where he stood by testing him with that question. He had made some comments before that which said he was ok with lilwade because I gave him slack, but he wanted MihZaaaa gone because he had been silent. It seemed a bit off and I wasn't sure what to think of Barakos at this point.
I'll show you.
On August 31 2014 09:28 Superbia wrote: Alright, thanks Amiko.
Do we want to start a push on lilwade?
On August 31 2014 09:33 Barakos wrote: I am not sold on lynching wade. Jenny gave him the benefit of the doubt. If anybody deserves to get lynched for inactivity this day, it is MihZaaa, who failed to post and vote.
Amiko - what happens in the case of this double-infraction?
On August 31 2014 09:42 Barakos wrote: Actually... I don't fancy voting for you over MihZaaa anymore. This silence is annoying.
I will digg into lilwade tomorrow to get him talking, Jenny is absolutely right, when she says, that blank-reads shouldn't be in mylo, MihZaaa is a blank read, so get rid of him...
On top of that, you made a lot more sense today, than you did all D1 and your posts got more serious. Maybe this pressure was, what was needed, to get you on valid town-game.
##unvote ##vote MihZaaa
On August 31 2014 09:44 JennyHell wrote: I've already said that I gave lilwade slack day1 due to thinking he softed tracker etc. That is no longer an available role and I wanted to see way more from him. Right now I see him as rather scummy for not taking part in this. I woke up just to be here when it ends btw.
If you feel you are ready to make a choice, Superbia, and it's ok with the mods then I don't mind. It's not like anything else will change with the votes. You're the swing.
Btw, Quasimodo isn't even a suggested jailkeeper and he didn't claim it properly when he came out. That's all I want to say as the ending.
I wish you and me the best of luck with your voting, Superbia.
And Barakos, if you win, GG you played well and had me fooled for a while.
I am fine with you making your call this night. I also feel, there is not much left to say. I think our filters speak for ourself - it is up to you now, to make the right call.
On September 05 2014 01:19 JennyHell wrote: I know mod said all the names are for fun and not strategy, but all names have checked out so far, so why wouldn't the bulletproof?
I am not be available to do an endgame post at 01:00 GMT (+00:00).
Earlier times which I can provide: (1) 23:00 GMT (+00:00) today () (2) 07:00 GMT (+00:00) the next day/morning () (3) 19:00 GMT (+00:00) the next day/morning ()
If you want to move up the deadline, PM me and say which, if any, you agree to. If all three players do not PM me and agree to a specific deadline, the time will not be changed.
Please do not discuss changing deadlines in the thread or state what your preferences are in the thread.
If these times work for you or don't, just PM me with that information. Don't talk about it here. (Obviously I will not advise what anyone's preferences are or even if they PM me at all)
Currently, Barakos will be lynched with 1 vote (as he reached 1 vote first). As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! Day 4 will end in .
Superbia, If there's anything you want me to explain or you're wondering, ask. I will answer anything you have to ask. I don't mind doing leg work and showing you what I mean with things. If you think anything I did was mafia oriented tell me what and I will explain why it was from a town perspective, because I know I am town. I would love for town to win this game, me my second game and you your first game.
Ok, I'm way too tired for this. I'm going to head to bed because I have to get up early in the morning. Remember what I've said and done this game. Ask yourself, if I was mafia why would I try to kill Barakos? What do I possibly have to gain from that?
Either way, whatever you'll vote you probably won't be swayed if it's wrong, I've seen you be adamant and hard headed before, so I will cross my fingers and hope that town wins, while I sleep.
Currently, JennyHell will be lynched with 2 votes. As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
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uperbia was the first to reach the sword. She lifted the blade above her head, and its shape changed into something more familiar – a sharp yellowish trident that pulsed with magical energy.
Superbia looked left and right at the two men who stood before her. Each claimed to be her ally, who had fought and survived against the brutal attack. Each seemed red, but she could not tell if it was due to their the injuries they claimed or their true nature.
JennyHell and Barakos shouted their pleas. And in the end, Superbia was convinced. She would trust Barakos. She would trust her knight, Gaston. She would make her last mistake.As the yellow magic flew from the scimitar, it flooded over the the proud knight JennyHell and sent him far away, cast into another place, or another time.
They did not all live happily ever after. But, do not fret, my dears. For there is still magic in tomorrows. What might be, may still be, someday.
The Wicked have prevailed - Mafia win!
JennyHell has been lynched – Prince Phillip, the Dashing Hero (Town 1-Shot Bulletproof) was banished!
Superbia has been endgamed – Ariel, the Musical Mermaid (Vanilla Town) was endgamed!
Barakos has survived – Gaston, the Brute (Mafia Goon) has survived!
Comments I have quite a few comments on this game and I’ll try to post them once I have a little distance from the game. Here were a few thoughts I wanted to share immediately, though, as they are fresh on my mind.
Modkills / Inactivity
I think it’s undeniable that inactivity and modkills had a significant effect on this game, and that’s regrettable for me as a host and likely for you all as players. I can only guess at how the game would have turned out otherwise.
I think abuse had been questioning players really well early on and gave reads effectively, so I wonder where his thoughts would have led him in the subsequent days. Lilwade and daydreamarine both could have had really substantial impacts on the game with their power-roles – mafia correctly guessed daydreamarine was the jailor, but if daydreamarine had submitted an action and posted I think there’s a fair chance he would have blocked mafia or saved a town (he did target Barakos for jailing the prior night but was roleblocked).
I can tell you I did my best to be impartial as to the modkills and certainly was unhappy to deliver the killing blow to you all. I’d really encourage you all to play mafia again, just be a little more mindful of the activity rules if you can.
Deadline
I really think that asking for the deadline to be moved up in LYLO is mafia-favored. If you have more time, there’s more opportunity for you to review the prior days, to talk about your reads. At LYLO, hopefully all the information you need to make an informed lynch is in the thread, it’s just a matter of discovering it and turning it over. This is a time where questioning other players is very important (game deciding!) so I don’t feel that making a decision sooner is likely to be beneficial.
Strategy / Gameplay
If I feel up to it I’ll post some additional comments on the game day to day, probably next weekend as I’m busy volunteering this weekend. If any coaches have comments I’d encourage you to post them as well. Hapa had some excellent comments on the endgame posts reading between JennyHell & Barakos the obs QT as well, I'd really encourage the players to check those out.
Yeah... that endpost was pretty bad in retrospect...
Main thing, was that I was thinking at the moment, that you would turn this thing into something like "you two now behave your best to make me not angry" and I kicked myself for putting you in charge of the misslynch. Turned out it was the right call after all... but still, I could have put a lot more effort into it after your questions and I basically put the whole game at risk for me.
I basically took a gamble, that you would stick with your guesses you posted.
I was never planning to read much into today, I was just going to look at everything that happened and take it from there. Why did you fakeclaim rather than stay VT?
Don't blame yourself Superbia. Jenny was pretty townie, for sure. She played very well. But Barakos played very well as scum. It was a difficult game.
But this LYLO was too quiet, although they've got long posts. LYLO is a time where you have to carefully read the entire game and reevaluate your reads. Asking questions and trying to find how those answers seems like coming from a scum trying to manipulate you or a townie desperate to show his innocence. It lacked activity, IMO
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I am blaming myself, I lost the game for town. :p I honestly felt like there was nothing I hadn't interacted with already in the game, so I didn't feel the need to ask any questions during today.
The most annoying thing was that both players hadn't aligned themselves at all with wade. Both seemed neutral on him, especially given me wanting to push on him during n2. If we had a decent d3 I probably would've had the information necessary to get a better read. But that's no excuse, I should've seen whatever I needed to see.
The biggest scumread I had on Jenny was that she had to put a lot of content during d2 on why Gobbledydook was town n1, even though he was already confirmed. I had a couple of other things, but this is why I put my vote on Jenny in the end.
Oh also, players may share their Coach QTs if they wish, but they will not be provided by the hosts. If you want to share them feel free, if you don't, that's perfectly fine.
On September 05 2014 08:18 Superbia wrote: I am blaming myself, I lost the game for town. :p I honestly felt like there was nothing I hadn't interacted with already in the game, so I didn't feel the need to ask any questions during today.
The most annoying thing was that both players hadn't aligned themselves at all with wade. Both seemed neutral on him, especially given me wanting to push on him during n2. If we had a decent d3 I probably would've had the information necessary to get a better read. But that's no excuse, I should've seen whatever I needed to see.
The biggest scumread I had on Jenny was that she had to put a lot of content during d2 on why Gobbledydook was town n1, even though he was already confirmed. I had a couple of other things, but this is why I put my vote on Jenny in the end.
I haven't read the thread thoroughly but know that this kind of weird push on a confirmed town isn't a mafia trait. A mafia mostly won't risk himself to relentlessly push on a confirmed townie (because, as mafia, he knows when someone is actually town). It's mostly a paranoid town trait
On September 05 2014 08:18 Superbia wrote: I am blaming myself, I lost the game for town. :p I honestly felt like there was nothing I hadn't interacted with already in the game, so I didn't feel the need to ask any questions during today.
The most annoying thing was that both players hadn't aligned themselves at all with wade. Both seemed neutral on him, especially given me wanting to push on him during n2. If we had a decent d3 I probably would've had the information necessary to get a better read. But that's no excuse, I should've seen whatever I needed to see.
The biggest scumread I had on Jenny was that she had to put a lot of content during d2 on why Gobbledydook was town n1, even though he was already confirmed. I had a couple of other things, but this is why I put my vote on Jenny in the end.
I haven't read the thread thoroughly but know that this kind of weird push on a confirmed town isn't a mafia trait. A mafia mostly won't risk himself to relentlessly push on a confirmed townie (because, as mafia, he knows when someone is actually town). It's mostly a paranoid town trait
Hmm? I'm kind of confused as to what you're answering to here.
First of all: Thanks for hosting this to amiko, alakaslam and glowingbear and putting this much effort in you Day/Night-Posts. And also thanks for coaching to Holyflare and Shinobi.
The one thing I didn't like was the inactivity... especially lilwade and abuse. The game would have been a lot more fun, had they taken part in it... lilwade for being my partner and abuse for his critical reads, even though they were wrong, when it got to superbia...
lilwade actually managed to get himself modkilled after posting in the mafia-QT, which I still can't process fully... That's also why breshke died in N2. Wade wanted to go head to head in the lynchvotes vs superbia, since at that time abuse + marine were totally on the superbia-scumtrain and we could have gotten the misslynch there... but then he manages to not post, while playing an other game her on this site...
To answer your question, superbia: I wasn't sure about Jennys view on the two of us and the post you made shortly before EoN seemed like you believed in what you said. And since I read you as someone, who doesn't change his mind easily, once he is convinced, I thought you were a safer bet than Jenny. Also I felt like I had some credit with you for not lynching you D2.
I'm really surprised you didn't let Jenny into the judge's chair, since I was read as scum by a number of people throughout the thread.
The inactivity sucked, it made the game much harder to read for me.
Completely agreed with the shout-out to the host. Thanks Amiko and co-hosts GlowingBear and Alakaslam! You guys were awesome. The flavor was awesome and I enjoyed the game! My first forum mafia game (and my second ever mafia game), and you guys made it awesome. Thanks again!
On September 05 2014 08:02 Superbia wrote: fuck my life.
I feel u bro. It happens to everyone at some point
@ Bakaros
Well done on a very solid scum-game.
Regarding what you posted in the Obs QT:
Barakos 09-04-2014 07:18 PM ET (US) /m92 What I was referring to was Jenny saying "easy games easy rares"... would have to read my case on superbia, where I mentioned, that I don't like that twitch-chat-speech, since it actually for some reason really gets me mad, when people talk like that.
Pretty sure, Jenny was exactly aware of what she wrote there and tried to annoy me.
Overall, I agree with you - my last post sucked pretty bad and I should have gone more against Jenny. Already posted this in the thread... it was a huge gamble.
I wouldn't get too down on yourself about your last post. It might have been "objectively" scummy, but that really doesn't matter. What's important as mafia is to understand who is in the game, and tell them exactly what they want to hear. Subjectivity over objectivity.
In this case, Superbia was looking for reasons to be suspicious of someone, and how calm and collected your end-game posts were were a great way to blend-in behind Jenny's far more emotional and attention-grabbing posts. You might not get away with those posts in other games, but it was a good play (intentional or not) in this game.
As a Coach I will say the final day deadline move was insanely frustrating as I didn't have time to talk with Jenny about how that could work for the game. I think that some other things were done this game I don't agree with but lots of people played well. Amiko had amazing flavor I think some decisions were made though that were not appropriate for a newbie setting especially the Abuse mod kill as well as the moving up of the deadline so quickly in final 3.
I'd love to hear why Breshke was the kill n1 he seemed to be a prime target for a lynch so curious what mafia's thoughts were on that.
As a coach who didn't get to talk to the other townies I would say that some general advice.
Superbia: Tunneling is rarely an effective method of scum hunting so I would try to be open to changing your mind with the gobble lynch as well as not taking into account the final 3 where new information was present and not voting when people were around to respond was detrimental. Your ability to read through the content and put in the work to play was good I was impressed with how much you were active in the thread throughout and my critiques are small to be honest don't be discouraged about the mishammer just in the future realize in final 3 you must take the whole game into play.
Abuse - I thought you played well and was sad to see you get mod killed. I liked your activity when you had it and think your life was taken early. You took the roleblock for a role n1 which was really good and were readable as a townie quite easy. I would say just be mindful of deadlines as some mods use letter of the law and not the spirit of it to mod.
Breshke - I thought your EoD day 1 was very townie where you were trying to let people know where you stood and moved off gobble in the end. You had some townie questions and did really well getting killed n2 is a compliment!
Meatpudding - After playing with you in the other game I thought that your play improved quite a lot since the last time you played. You seemed way more townie this game and taking a n1 bullet is always a good sign of doing something right.
DayDreamMarine - Your role play had me laughing my head off you did well with your role unfortunate activity was an issue but you were able to portray yourself as town and having a bit of a misunderstanding on the amount of RP involved in the game It was enjoyable to read your flavor I liked it quite a lot!
Barakos - You played a pretty townie game as scum day 1. I think that you had a strong pull in the thread as scum which is hard to do. You ccing bulletproof so early was good too as it led to pocketing Superbia super hard. Well Played!
Gobble - I think you showed your towniness its a shame that it got heated at the end of day 1 I would just say try to be more calm before getting heated towards end of day.
lilwade/Mihzaaaa I think could just improve their level of activities as it was hard to get a read or fill for their play when they were around with the little they posted so improving the activity would go a long way!
Lastly JennyHell - My Newbie I thought played really really well! I may be biased but the amount I know she put into the game makes me sad that it ended like it did with the early deadline and her being asleep and not able to respond to the mishammer. Had she been around and more awake I don't doubt she could have swayed Superbia. I think she was easily the most townie person swaying people into attempting to vote two wagons, trying to save gobble, and getting the sleep at mylo for more information. I know she did a bunch of filter diving and put a ton of effort into the game despite being ill for a portion of it! It was a pleasure to coach for her and I wish she could have had the time to pull off the victory in final three.
It was partly intentional... I mentioned in the mafia-QT, I thought me going full emotional and defensive wouldn't fit to the way I played this game at all and I also never really attacked someone hard this game... I had two solid cases vs wade and superbia but never really attacked anybody with full force. So going all ham on Jenny would also not fit... It felt for me like superbia wanted more or less confirmation on his reads, he posted the night before and I tried to give him this by staying "in character".
Everybody telling me, I should be more emotional / aggressive in this last post got me thinking though... will definitely take this into consideration, should I ever get in a lylo-situation again.
On September 05 2014 08:44 Tehpoofter wrote: I'd love to hear why Breshke was the kill n1 he seemed to be a prime target for a lynch so curious what mafia's thoughts were on that.
I gave that reason already... you don't pay attention to the thread, scum! :p
Driving force behind this was lilwade. My kill for this night would have been abuse or superbia, iirc. Wades line of thought was, that he wanted to form a wagon against superbia the next day, because the thread (abuse and daydreamarine) were pretty sure, superbia was scum, so that would have been two sure votes on superbia together with lilwades and mine this would have been a sure misslynch. Basically it was lilwade, arguing he had a better chance vs superbia than vs breshke and I think it would have worked... but then came the modkills. :D
GG everyone and unlucky superbia im glad it wasn't me who had to decide! I also want to thank the host and co-hosts i still had fun even with the mod kills. Again sorry about all the sheeping!
On September 05 2014 08:20 Superbia wrote: Open for feedback on reads.
I can only give you feedback on your MYLO/LYLO play, since that's all I read of this game.
It feels like you got locked into a flawed scum-tell and let it influence the rest of your game too much.
On September 05 2014 08:18 Superbia wrote: ... The biggest scumread I had on Jenny was that she had to put a lot of content during d2 on why Gobbledydook was town n1, even though he was already confirmed. I had a couple of other things, but this is why I put my vote on Jenny in the end.
Like... this isn't a scumtell. Town or mafia can post this type of stuff. What would make this scummy is if someone posted a ton on Gobbeldydook to avoid making other contributions, but I didn't get that impression at all from Jenny's filter. Jenny contributed plenty of other stuff this game, and it feels like you locked into a post that you didn't like as opposed to a post that was actually scummy.
And you getting locked on Jenny's post made you overlook some of your other really good observations this game. For example:
On September 01 2014 10:37 Superbia wrote: Barakos' reluctance to push on lilwade last night, despite him promising to reads the most scummy right now. This is just something I remembered from last night though.
On August 31 2014 07:16 Barakos wrote: go hard on him and mihzaaa. wade has been cut slack from everybody, especially jenny. This credit is used up, after tonight, i feel. Jenny is absolutely right. Going into mylo/lylo with blank-reads just wont work. If we don't get consecutive mafia-lynches and it comes to a do-or-die, i want to be in it with people I have as many sources for reads as possible. Also on daydreamarine... confirmed town or not. He has shown at some points, that he has the time to participate but just doesn't... While marine still has to understand, that activity is key to bringing up thoughts about the game, the other two already should know better.
You had Barakos crucified with this post. This is a really good observation, and you should have been all aboard the "lynch Bakaros" train after posting this. But your confirmation bias with Jenny on N1/D2 made you not understand just how damning Barakos's behavior towards lilwade actually was.
I think some of this also has to do with you not understanding enough about mafia mentality. Mafia mentality is not going to manifest itself by posting about a confirmed town. Town or mafia can post about a confirmed town and be 100% honest about it.
Mafia mentality however will manifest itself when talking about something like a fellow scumbuddy. Knowing that they're suspicious and guilty deep down, yet it being against their objectives to lynch an ally (see Bakaros's attitude towards lilwade). Or fake-claiming knowing deep-down that their claim is false (see my post in the Obs QT about Barakos). That's the stuff that finds mafia, not stuff about confirmed townies.
On September 05 2014 08:44 Tehpoofter wrote: I'd love to hear why Breshke was the kill n1 he seemed to be a prime target for a lynch so curious what mafia's thoughts were on that.
I gave that reason already... you don't pay attention to the thread, scum! :p
Driving force behind this was lilwade. My kill for this night would have been abuse or superbia, iirc. Wades line of thought was, that he wanted to form a wagon against superbia the next day, because the thread (abuse and daydreamarine) were pretty sure, superbia was scum, so that would have been two sure votes on superbia together with lilwades and mine this would have been a sure misslynch. Basically it was lilwade, arguing he had a better chance vs superbia than vs breshke and I think it would have worked... but then came the modkills. :D
On September 05 2014 08:18 Superbia wrote: ... The biggest scumread I had on Jenny was that she had to put a lot of content during d2 on why Gobbledydook was town n1, even though he was already confirmed. I had a couple of other things, but this is why I put my vote on Jenny in the end.
Like... this isn't a scumtell. Town or mafia can post this type of stuff. What would make this scummy is if someone posted a ton on Gobbeldydook to avoid making other contributions, but I didn't get that impression at all from Jenny's filter. Jenny contributed plenty of other stuff this game, and it feels like you locked into a post that you didn't like as opposed to a post that was actually scummy.
Thanks. I think this is exactly what I did not realize, and I think this is probably the mistake that cost me the game. Putting it in context (i.e. Jenny still contributed a lot during the same day) makes a lot of sense, and was something I did not do.
On September 05 2014 09:09 Hapahauli wrote:And you getting locked on Jenny's post made you overlook some of your other really good observations this game. For example:
On September 01 2014 10:37 Superbia wrote: Barakos' reluctance to push on lilwade last night, despite him promising to reads the most scummy right now. This is just something I remembered from last night though.
On August 31 2014 07:10 Superbia wrote: What will you do if lilwade doesn't show up?
On August 31 2014 07:16 Barakos wrote: go hard on him and mihzaaa. wade has been cut slack from everybody, especially jenny. This credit is used up, after tonight, i feel. Jenny is absolutely right. Going into mylo/lylo with blank-reads just wont work. If we don't get consecutive mafia-lynches and it comes to a do-or-die, i want to be in it with people I have as many sources for reads as possible. Also on daydreamarine... confirmed town or not. He has shown at some points, that he has the time to participate but just doesn't... While marine still has to understand, that activity is key to bringing up thoughts about the game, the other two already should know better.
You had Barakos crucified with this post. This is a really good observation, and you should have been all aboard the "lynch Bakaros" train after posting this. But your confirmation bias with Jenny on N1/D2 made you not understand just how damning Barakos's behavior towards lilwade actually was.
I think some of this also has to do with you not understanding enough about mafia mentality. Mafia mentality is not going to manifest itself by posting about a confirmed town. Town or mafia can post about a confirmed town and be 100% honest about it.
Mafia mentality however will manifest itself when talking about something like a fellow scumbuddy. Knowing that they're suspicious and guilty deep down, yet it being against their objectives to lynch an ally (see Bakaros's attitude towards lilwade). Or fake-claiming knowing deep-down that their claim is false (see my post in the Obs QT about Barakos). That's the stuff that finds mafia, not stuff about confirmed townies.
Thanks for pointing this out as well. I guess I did not have my priorities straight when it comes to deciding what behaviour more scummy than others. The others' reluctance to push on lilwade at the same point in time made this seem a lot less scummy for some reason.
On another note, I would also like to thank iamperfection for guiding me through the dark and providing me with some excellent tips!
On September 05 2014 08:58 Breshke wrote: GG everyone and unlucky superbia im glad it wasn't me who had to decide! I also want to thank the host and co-hosts i still had fun even with the mod kills. Again sorry about all the sheeping!
Breshke I felt like you stepped up majorly during d2 compared to d1, you went from my top lynch for d2 to basically semi-confirmed town. I hope next time you're a bit more proactive during d1, but I would love to play with you again!
Can you guys explain that in detail? I felt that way at first but after Jenny posted about it I thought again and concluded that the worst case scenario is that we end up with a clash between 2 unconfirmeds and a 3rd confirmed town deciding. Best case scenario is that we get some more information from our roles.
MYLO with 4 unconfirmed players is one of the very few situations where no-lynching is good.
Why have a pool of 4 players to lynch in, when mafia can shoot one and you have 3 instead? One lynch is going to end the game anyway, so you may as well take 33% odds as opposed to 25%.
But lynching gives you perfect information while I can claim 3rd party planar dragon all day, but if you flip me you will know that I am a VT and everything I said was town perspective and I was trying to get shot or you lynch scum. Bam.
Or if everyone keeps saying I am vt what do you do now? What more can be learned?
On September 05 2014 09:55 Hapahauli wrote: MYLO with 4 unconfirmed players is one of the very few situations where no-lynching is good.
Why have a pool of 4 players to lynch in, when mafia can shoot one and you have 3 instead? One lynch is going to end the game anyway, so you may as well take 33% odds as opposed to 25%.
If that was the situation then I get it.
I was hosting but I paid about 2% attention. I was purely updating vote counts XD
Honestly, I felt really useless for the majority of this game, so I'm really glad I found a way to give Barakos some sort of good advice. He basically dominated this game from start to finish, which is way more than I can say about how my own scumgames have turned out. Holyflare and I were basically hangers-on for the one man show that made up our scum QT.
There was a lot of luck involved in this game for both sides. The lilwade modkill should have 100% resulted in a town victory on the spot but nobody took advantage of it...And then the jailor got modkilled and Barakos shot the bulletproof, ensuring town had yet another chance to take the game away.
A well deserved victory. The only other piece of advice I'd give B right now is to take the concept of "begging" and other self-imposed rules and throw them out the window. It's mafia: lie, cheat, and betray people as much as you need to to get the win. You're the bad guy; you don't owe town a damn thing.
On September 05 2014 09:55 Hapahauli wrote: MYLO with 4 unconfirmed players is one of the very few situations where no-lynching is good.
Why have a pool of 4 players to lynch in, when mafia can shoot one and you have 3 instead? One lynch is going to end the game anyway, so you may as well take 33% odds as opposed to 25%.
If that was the situation then I get it.
I was hosting but I paid about 2% attention. I was purely updating vote counts XD
On September 05 2014 09:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm super pumped that my charge won this game. :D
Honestly, I felt really useless for the majority of this game, so I'm really glad I found a way to give Barakos some sort of good advice. He basically dominated this game from start to finish, which is way more than I can say about how my own scumgames have turned out. Holyflare and I were basically hangers-on for the one man show that made up our scum QT.
There was a lot of luck involved in this game for both sides. The lilwade modkill should have 100% resulted in a town victory on the spot but nobody took advantage of it...And then the jailor got modkilled and Barakos shot the bulletproof, ensuring town had yet another chance to take the game away.
A well deserved victory. The only other piece of advice I'd give B right now is to take the concept of "begging" and other self-imposed rules and throw them out the window. It's mafia: lie, cheat, and betray people as much as you need to to get the win. You're the bad guy; you don't owe town a damn thing.
Actually no, I do want to say something. I was pretty sure that Superbia had already made his mind up, and seeing how he wouldn't sway d1 with the gobble vote I felt it completely useless to stay awake for another hour to try to make him change his mind. That's why I went to bed. I chose to put my own health first this time and guess what, I don't regret it.
When Superbia asked us to dive ourselves I spent 3 hours doing that. Barakos did nothing. I wonder who the town is. The one who actually tries and is willing to do legwork to show you why she is town and why things that she's done is from a towny perspective, or the person that doesn't give a shit about how you want to do the final 3 and just ends up questioning you?
I think my experience from watching a lot of videomafia, modding it and playing some is making me too annoyed playing these newbie games. I will probably take a break from forum mafia for a while. I poured my heart and soul into this game, being here even when I had a fever.
I spent my entire afternoon reading through all of your, Barakos' and lilwade's posts a multitude of times. And I made a decision. It was wrong, I'm sorry. You did put a lot of effort and emotional into what you posted, but I had a gut-feeling that you were mafia. In retrospect I would've done thing differently. For what it's worth, Jenny, I would love to play with you again. Don't let my newbie-reads keep you from being awesome in mafia.
Well, I don't even know what to say. Actually I do, but I won't say it, because reasons.. As for Jenny, I understand how you feel.A break sounds like a good plan, but please do come back. I would love to see how you play as scum one day. @Barakos, oh how I wish modkills would not have happened and we could have had a lilwade vs superbia lynch fest. Though it might not have turned exactly as you wanted.. My Coach qt is : http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/7L8GRw4hTfK4Y
On September 05 2014 15:12 gobbledydook wrote: superbia you are the one of the worst town i have ever seen
you were unimaginably wrong the whole game and I am extremely frustrated by your bad play.
That's absolutely uncalled for... especially coming from you, since you gave us a super easy day1 misslynch with your attitiude/manners and (in-)activity during D1/EoD1. You made your sign-in-post, saying 'somebody teach you, how not to be a shitty town'... maybe work on not getting yourself killed D1 for shitty attitude. But then again... looking at the obs-QT, I guess your answer is "lol, don't lecture me"?
Superbia may not have been right about most tells, but to be fair... Who had me as scum in any of their posts before lylo? Jenny said, she had suspicions about me but they can't be seen anywhere in the thread till D3 and Meatpudding mentioned, he wasn't too sure about me, but I guess that's it?
At least superbia tried and playing with/against him was fun, which - judging from this game and the way you've played in it - can't be said about you.
@abuse: I read your coach-QT and I must say, I'm impressed... the two of us think pretty much alike. Looking forward to play some more games with you - hopefully with a more europe-friendly deadline and no weddings interferring with the game.
@superbia: I find your name pretty fitting and think you are pretty self-(over-)confident. Maybe, you should work on this a little bit... Had you been humble enough, to question your opinion on Jenny and me again, when we went into lylo, I think there is a high chance for you to win this game and become town-hero but you stuck to your opinion - in my opinion, because you were to proud to admit to yourself, that you might be wrong and because you didn't want to second-guess yourself. I could be totally wrong here, but that was my impression of you. Nonetheless, I enjoyed playing vs. you. Chances are, I wouldn't like playing with you, but that's an other story.
On all this stuff considering playing dirty and lieing as mafia... I think the only two lies I told in this game were my two claims of being town and being bulletproof... the rest of the game was pretty "clean", I feel... I'm not really confident with lieing into peoples face, I guess, that comes with practice as scum. ^^
On September 05 2014 22:04 Barakos wrote: @superbia: I find your name pretty fitting and think you are pretty self-(over-)confident. Maybe, you should work on this a little bit... Had you been humble enough, to question your opinion on Jenny and me again, when we went into lylo, I think there is a high chance for you to win this game and become town-hero but you stuck to your opinion - in my opinion, because you were to proud to admit to yourself, that you might be wrong and because you didn't want to second-guess yourself. I could be totally wrong here, but that was my impression of you. Nonetheless, I enjoyed playing vs. you. Chances are, I wouldn't like playing with you, but that's an other story.
Eh, I do put on a mask when playing mafia. I was never sure with my reads or anything, and especially the last decision I had to make was very hard. Even though it seemed very easy. I kept going back and forth between the two of you the entire time. There's a good reason I wanted the deadline to move forward. I second-guessed myself all the way, I just never show it. :p
Well, then you are a pretty good actor. ^^ The only reason I always refrained from shooting you was me thinking "how can anybody be this obnoxious and full of himself without having a safety-net?"... Your cocky behaviour and all this stuff was kind of a soft-bulletproof-claim to me. Glad to see, that this was all a facade, because tbh... I found you pretty annoying. :D
@abuse: I read your coach-QT and I must say, I'm impressed... the two of us think pretty much alike. Looking forward to play some more games with you - hopefully with a more europe-friendly deadline and no weddings interferring with the game.
Thanks! I did see you as town up until I was forced to go afk for enough to be modkilled. I would have been really curious to see if I would have changed my mind on you before LYLO.. I do think you made a mistake of not killing jenny earlier.. Going up against jenny in a 1x1 in this game was mission impossible. At least it should have been. She was literally sweating the letters "t o w n" after D1. Then again wade did let you down so hard, so if he wouldn't get modkilled, you would never be put into such a situation in the first place.
Thing is: You can't kill Jenny in this game, where there is a doc/jailkeeper in the game... she was the most obvious save N1, so shooting her was pointless. Once we found out about the setup and who was Jailkeeper (I suspected Marine to be JK right after him claiming superbia fakeclaimed he was Jailkeeper at the start of D2), it would still have taken a night to remove him from the game, since Marine confirmed himself as town by not knowing the rules and there was no way, we would get a misslynch on him. So the plan had to be, to somehow go around Jenny and it would have worked way better with a present lilwade.
On September 05 2014 22:26 Barakos wrote: Thing is: You can't kill Jenny in this game, where there is a doc/jailkeeper in the game... she was the most obvious save N1, so shooting her was pointless. Once we found out about the setup and who was Jailkeeper (I suspected Marine to be JK right after him claiming superbia fakeclaimed he was Jailkeeper at the start of D2), it would still have taken a night to remove him from the game, since Marine confirmed himself as town by not knowing the rules and there was no way, we would get a misslynch on him. So the plan had to be, to somehow go around Jenny and it would have worked way better with a present lilwade.
Well. Once you knew marine was the Jailkeeper, Jenny should have become a possible target again, especially since the JK is someone who is not really active. He could have not known that she was the one who should be saved(he did though..) So that could have gotten some thought on your decision making (of course in this case it would have been a bit pointless cause she was bulletproof). Also - Nobody really noticed that marine did not understand the rules. As I pointed out in the obs chat, I am very surprised that nobody corrected him on not even knowing how much KP does mafia have. People probably didn't even read his post as well as it deserved to be read.
Overall, you really did play a great game. Your scum play is very good in my mind, and the only way to lynch you, really, felt like using power of elimination, which could only really get done in the endgame. So - well played!
On September 05 2014 22:01 iamperfection wrote: I think that people that martyr and people that get mod killed should probably keep their mouth shut.
you think wrong.
No, considering what they had to say I agree with IamP
I am sorry. Superbia's lack of tunelling the entire game, perfect analysis, calm and humble nature and lack of swear words in the thread led to town's victory in this game, and was not the cause of Jenny deciding to stop playing mafia here.
Cut this bs on superbia maybe? He took all the blame for a wrong decision, that wasn't even easy to begin with... and it's not like 2 town-modkills didn't help mafia immensely. Imagine, what this game would have looked like with 5 town alive instead of 3. You and marine played a huge role in this mafia victory as well.
Flavor Thanks to everyone for your comments on the flavor. Honestly I've never actually been that that into Disney, lol, I just thought it would be a goofy (badum-tsss) sort of theme and I am glad you enjoyed it. I can only hope that the FBI does not apprehend me due to the volume of Disney princess images I went through/pushed together for this game.
Setup The game setup I rolled for matrix6 has the lowest town win percentage, but I believe RNG is kind of undermined if you reroll so I stuck with it. I'm grateful we had the addition of an extra town (Daydreamarine) to bring the numbers up to 10 instead of 9 - I didn't think it would balance things necessarily, but hoped it would help. I think mafia played quite well in reading into Daydream's post that he was the jailor, and considering whether shooting Jenny early game would be effective.
Post-game attitude/Superbia I really don't think you guys have a good post-game attitude when you are criticizing superbia. If you've played mafia before, you have probably played with people who are wrong and probably been wrong yourself. It's not a game you should expect to play perfectly the first time you play it, or even the tenth or twentieth time you play it. You can play poorly and be right; you can play well and be wrong. Personally I think the most towny way is to push reads, to encourage discussion, to ensure that people talk. It's easier (usually) for town to talk freely and honestly and more difficult for mafia (because they have to fabricate intent). So, even if Superbia ended up with the wrong conclusions, I feel that his pushes on players were good plays - they indicated his line of thinking (so you all could consider his approach) and pointed out things to address that could get you townread by him. I think it was addressed above or in QT, but certainly one of few tells I think Barakos had was his overall lack of pushing.
Anyway, I'll try to come back with better examples and thoughts sometime next week.
If you want to play in another newbie game, I'd say check the forums sometime next week, usually one is posted within a couple days of another ending. If you want to jump into the deep end, there's other games open on the forum, just make sure to be active in the games Even for the players who were warned/modkilled, thank you for playing and I hope you enjoyed (or at least were not soured by) the game.
I just dont like that after everything that happened in this game ( i don't mean only the end of it ) he still cannot admit that he did not play the best possible game. But fine. I'm letting this go. Just a little angry at him.
LOL the problem of blaming town for losing the game is that you completely discredit mafia for winning this game. Do you think Barakos had a bad display? Nobody does.
It's a game. One side wins, the other loses, accept it and hop on the next game.
You really need to stop going at Superbia. First of all it's just a game. Secondly I need a break not because of Superbia, although asking me to spend 3 hours filter diving myself in final day only to later reveal he wasn't even going to look at what was said final day did feel like a smack in the face, it's honestly not a huge issue.
Forum mafia is draining because it takes time and dedication. If you can't be here and devote such time and dedication then the games will end up with tons of modkills, like this one.
What you all need to remember is that this is Superbias first game. Everyone have different amount of experience with the game and shitting on someone after a game that they went to final 3 in, is not very nice. So shame on you.
Yes, it was frustrating, but that's just how this game is. To be able to handle mafia, especially if it's live mafia or video mafia you just need to be a bit tougher and try to not let things people say and do phase you. It's not a game of being nice and stroking eachothers egos nor is it a game of insults and bad mannerism. It's a game of lies and deceit.
Me taking a break for a while has nothing to do with Superbia and the choice he made, more about the effort I put in to it and now I just need a breather.
@abuse: I read your coach-QT and I must say, I'm impressed... the two of us think pretty much alike. Looking forward to play some more games with you - hopefully with a more europe-friendly deadline and no weddings interferring with the game.
Thanks! I did see you as town up until I was forced to go afk for enough to be modkilled. I would have been really curious to see if I would have changed my mind on you before LYLO.. I do think you made a mistake of not killing jenny earlier.. Going up against jenny in a 1x1 in this game was mission impossible. At least it should have been. She was literally sweating the letters "t o w n" after D1. Then again wade did let you down so hard, so if he wouldn't get modkilled, you would never be put into such a situation in the first place.
You getting mod killed was a tragedy. truly. Totally different game if that doesn't happen.
On September 05 2014 22:01 iamperfection wrote: I think that people that martyr and people that get mod killed should probably keep their mouth shut.
you think wrong.
No, considering what they had to say I agree with IamP
I am sorry. Superbia's lack of tunelling the entire game, perfect analysis, calm and humble nature and lack of swear words in the thread led to town's victory in this game, and was not the cause of Jenny deciding to stop playing mafia here.
Phukkin SHITASS bytch play make 4 loooooolooosing it does
Whereas the monocle of refined speech guarantees swift victory for the members of the town.
Being unsure and questioning oneself is the way to win, for nobody feels that looks scummy.
Maphukken srs for srs dat fooh is skum bro has never won nothin
Analysis I didn't read about so no comment
Giving to everyone makes you the greatest player on TL, not constantly behaving as if you have a god complex.
Ppl see this? This guy is my first fan! He thinks I am better than Blazinghand short analysis!
You focus on the arbitrary dude, I rarely cuss until others do (be as Romans are) and will readily admit to being among the worst players here, I never push reads and have no analysis.
But based on your grading of Superbia, if I just worked on analysis and didn't change anything about my play (well short being understandable too but I AM ENIGMA) I would be better than Marvellosity, Blazinghand, Palmar, and Raynpelikoneet just to name a few.
That's not happening even if I manage perfect analysis dude; I would have to tunnel scum when I found them and be willing to paint myself in a credible light to push my reads.
Your prescription in sarcasm there was a prescription for failure.
Sometimes I read slam's posts and imagine his voice is a Jamaican (Maphukken srs for srs dat fooh is skum bro has never won nothin) and other times it is more Yoda (Whereas the monocle of refined speech guarantees swift victory for the members of the town)
On September 06 2014 05:08 Amiko wrote: Sometimes I read slam's posts and imagine his voice is a Jamaican (Maphukken srs for srs dat fooh is skum bro has never won nothin) and other times it is more Yoda (Whereas the monocle of refined speech guarantees swift victory for the members of the town)
I really don't mind that he made the wrong decision in the end. Well, I do, but not as much as you guys seem to think. I am just expressing that I really did not like how he played, and hope that he will take his mistakes to heart and learn from them. I know I will learn from mine. That's all there is to it really. I do not hate superbia, or think that he's a horrible person or whatnot, or think that I am greater than him, because I am a newbie myself in this.
Anyways- Thanks again for the game, Amiko. It was a really good experience to have.
On September 07 2014 19:34 abuse wrote: I really don't mind that he made the wrong decision in the end. Well, I do, but not as much as you guys seem to think. I am just expressing that I really did not like how he played, and hope that he will take his mistakes to heart and learn from them. I know I will learn from mine. That's all there is to it really. I do not hate superbia, or think that he's a horrible person or whatnot, or think that I am greater than him, because I am a newbie myself in this.
Anyways- Thanks again for the game, Amiko. It was a really good experience to have.