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You HAVE to vote. Everyone must vote before the end of the day.
You need to figure out the 2 people you think are the wicked ones
I think I understand the rules better now but I had a bit of analysis paralysis (luckily the filter button got mentioned).
Don't expect many people liking your roleplay, because it's so out of the ordinary, it could make them feel as if you are not focusing on the game and could potentially get you mislynched.
Initially I did not understand how this can be a game that has a Disney Theme and characters that get assigned to players but no roleplaying part is included in the rules. But then I saw that the characters are only existing because of hidden roles and powers.
Anyway I am also off to bed now and hope I could clarify a bit why I was so inactive the first day.
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My god, how many pages during the night.. 
Horribad timezone is horribad..
Will catch up during today..
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Well shit.
That certainly didn't turn out as I would have expected.
Huge compliment to Jenny for being the only one to defend gobbledydook, when even he himself failed to do so.
I have to take a step back now to see, where i picked up that vibe in gobble, that made me so sure about him being scum, that I couldn't be persuaded off of him anymore. Mistakes were made on my side and I can't have that happen again D2.
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Well here we are. Sorry I couldn't log in before the hammer. I overslept and had to go to school in a hurry.
GG Dook. If only you had've spent more time making a case on your scum reads instead of flaming.
Catch-up post incoming.
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First off, I will not be around ever for the end of the day. I have mentioned it before the game even started.
Timezones are horrible for this game, the end of the day is at 4am for me and I can't afford being up at that time, considering I have work and I can't have an alarm going off to wake me up an hour before to catch up with 10+ pages of text, while waking up an angry girlfriend next to me..
Which brings me to this -
@Mod, is it possible to maybe change the time when day starts/ends? We have a lot of europeans here.. Me, Superbia, Jenny, Barakos, Daydreamarine, Mihzaaa (honestly, how did the timezone vote even go in favor of this time?).. Pretty much everyone who had a good timezone for this (US, Australia) failed to even make an appearance at the end of day1, and even so - they are vastly outnumbered in this game..(Plus one of them got lynched just now)
If not - maybe we can make an arrangement between ourselves, that we do the huge discussion part at a more acceptable time, when more people can participate? Some 4-6 hours before the deadline?
Now then - catchup post.
Jenny-
First off, I am very glad to see your comment on lilwade, welcome to the club 
On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote:
"Your activity is just as appalling as usual but there's something you said that I'm not even sure you know yourself yet."
Which brings me to the next point. Now that you have noticed it too.
I have said this, when I first spoke of lilwade:
On August 27 2014 19:15 abuse wrote:
lilwade
My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now.
As for the other things, what he says and analyzes are to my liking, though they are not anything big in particular. I like his jump on gobbledygook.
I am a little concerned about one thing wade said, but will not bring it to light yet, as I need more info.
Either way - If the tables would suddenly turn in this thread, I would not be okay with lynching him today.
Here, I clearly say, that I will not bring this to light yet. What do you think of Mihzaaa asking me this soon after? :
On August 27 2014 22:16 MihZaaa wrote:Show nested quote +My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now. This was in regards to lilwade. Can you elaborate your read on him?
Jenny is town for me, following her active defense of gobbely, who flipped town, there is absolutely no way in hell anyone should be reading her as scum now.
Posts about others comming up.
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daydreamarine, you have to step it up .
Please read all of the pages and get up to speed with everything and give us some valid input.
We already had one person who... did not play as town should have and got lynched for it.
Another person not living up to even the most basic standards is more than town can afford with such a low playercount.
Superbia, please get your head out of your butt.
there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer.
On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote:
Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me?
Are you kidding me?
The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this.
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As for due to other's points on them, Breshke and Mihzaa have gone down in the list for me towards null-maybe-scum territory, Would be willing explore their play deeper. lilwade, can you please elaborate and explain your read on Mihzaaa?
Jenny, can you do the same for Breshke, except for him not giving info on everyone at once, and having a null on 4 people? While I do not like that he did not give reads on everyone but just on a few people, as I have mentioned before. And I don't really mind with having a null read on 4 people, what I do mind though, is not telling others that you have 4 null reads, instead of not mentioning these 4 at all.
Meat - what do you think of all this?
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On August 28 2014 16:57 abuse wrote:First off, I will not be around ever for the end of the day. I have mentioned it before the game even started. Timezones are horrible for this game, the end of the day is at 4am for me and I can't afford being up at that time, considering I have work and I can't have an alarm going off to wake me up an hour before to catch up with 10+ pages of text, while waking up an angry girlfriend next to me.. Which brings me to this - @Mod, is it possible to maybe change the time when day starts/ends? We have a lot of europeans here.. Me, Superbia, Jenny, Barakos, Daydreamarine, Mihzaaa (honestly, how did the timezone vote even go in favor of this time?).. Pretty much everyone who had a good timezone for this (US, Australia) failed to even make an appearance at the end of day1, and even so - they are vastly outnumbered in this game..(Plus one of them got lynched just now) If not - maybe we can make an arrangement between ourselves, that we do the huge discussion part at a more acceptable time, when more people can participate? Some 4-6 hours before the deadline? Now then - catchup post. Jenny- First off, I am very glad to see your comment on lilwade, welcome to the club Show nested quote +On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote:
"Your activity is just as appalling as usual but there's something you said that I'm not even sure you know yourself yet."
Which brings me to the next point. Now that you have noticed it too. I have said this, when I first spoke of lilwade: Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 19:15 abuse wrote:
lilwade
My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now.
As for the other things, what he says and analyzes are to my liking, though they are not anything big in particular. I like his jump on gobbledygook.
I am a little concerned about one thing wade said, but will not bring it to light yet, as I need more info.
Either way - If the tables would suddenly turn in this thread, I would not be okay with lynching him today. Here, I clearly say, that I will not bring this to light yet. What do you think of Mihzaaa asking me this soon after? : Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 22:16 MihZaaa wrote:My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now. This was in regards to lilwade. Can you elaborate your read on him? Jenny is town for me, following her active defense of gobbely, who flipped town, there is absolutely no way in hell anyone should be reading her as scum now. Posts about others comming up.
Leaving this to Amiko. But I will say that the deadline MUST work for the host, while it is only ideal that it work for any player.
I would also recommend using the Question Font instead of just bold next time so we see it; I skim, I don't read. Hosting duties extend beyond keeping up with the game and votes and etc. believe it or not.... However we are here to serve your game too which is why dat vt font exists :D
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On August 28 2014 17:17 abuse wrote:
As for due to other's points on them, Breshke and Mihzaa have gone down in the list for me towards null-maybe-scum territory, Would be willing explore their play deeper. lilwade, can you please elaborate and explain your read on Mihzaaa?
Jenny, can you do the same for Breshke, except for him not giving info on everyone at once, and having a null on 4 people? While I do not like that he did not give reads on everyone but just on a few people, as I have mentioned before. And I don't really mind with having a null read on 4 people, what I do mind though, is not telling others that you have 4 null reads, instead of not mentioning these 4 at all.
Meat - what do you think of all this?
I would extend the scum-circle to Breshke, MihZaaa and lilwade, though not necessarily in that order. I will explain.
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Barakos
I'm interested in your interactions with Mihzaaa
On August 27 2014 06:01 Barakos wrote:
Mihzaaaa - i got a hard time reading him. I will have to look closer at his filter to make up my mind. Right now i get a feeling, that he could be town.
On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote:
MihZaaa:
I am still very unsure about you.
After he replies how do you feel?
On August 27 2014 22:28 MihZaaa wrote:Barakos Show nested quote +I am still very unsure about you. Would you mind explaining the following:
On August 27 2014 04:25 MihZaaa wrote:
What bothers me is that the people I read as scummy have either not spoken lately or have barely spoken. I wouldn't like this to be a wasted lynch where we end up just lynching for inactivity but it seems that's the direction we're heading to.
On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote:
From least scummy to most.
Barakos
Superbia and JennyHell
Abuse
You complain about your scum-suspects not contributing enough yet you put abuse, one of the most vocal ones in this thread so far as most scummy?
I feel like you are contradicting yourself here. Especially since your post was right after two posts of abuse.
Don't mind explaining at all. When I was typing that abuses last few messages hadn't gotten through yet ( I didn't refresh the page before posting). He was my scummy read out of the ones that contributed and hadn't been responding for a while at that time. The other scum read was lilwade and he barely spoke. And all the rest were not present.
Does this give the information you were looking for? How are you leaning on Mihzaaa tonight?
On another note,
On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote:meatpudding: I disagree with your read on abuse, especially with calling this part: Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:
I also completely disagree on your rating.
Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral. good analysis. This is a part I find especially scummy about abuse, since it shows, he hasn't read superbias post completely or is intentionally disregarding superbias change of mind on jenny just to make a point against one of the more towny people. Would you mind, rereading superbias post with a special filter on his tells on jenny and tell me, if you still think abuses post is good analysis?
After I answered this for you, you haven't followed up on anything that I asked. Could you update your thoughts on me and abuse?
On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote:
gobbledydook:
I didn't like you, coming in the thread and 15 lines of content later you claim to have discovered a scumduo. While I agree with you on abuse having some very suspicious posts, I dislike that you completely discard the fact, that it was his posts that got the thread going in the end.
Would you care to bring forward some more points that back up your vote and make me believe that you actually read the whole thread and not just some posts that led you to believe, abuse is scum?
I like this. You're giving Dook a chance to back up his wild statements which is fair.
But then
On August 28 2014 01:16 Barakos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 23:21 gobbledydook wrote:
And if you want to lynch me that's fine. When I flip 'Princess Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty' as I claimed, then we know who's been misrepresenting my words and pushing for a mislynch. So you are trying to scare people away from voting to lynch you by saying "Don't vote for me, cause if you do, everybody will know I am a princess, which makes you scum?" Your overall appearance here in this thread looks pretty bad up until now. You hop in, you post some stuff, put a vote down, shortly afterwards take back everything you said, don't answer any question directed at you and on top of it all, you also explain that we shouldn't expect any more out of you, since this you are not a high volume poster and just randomly hop in and out of threads? Where is your effort to solve this game? I can't see it and the way you put it, you make it look like you are also not very interested in putting any effort into it. ##vote gobbledydook
Ok, I can't really blame anyone for voting Dook when he had no defence. I am leaning town on you but I would really like to see you follow through on your pushes.
Abuse
On August 27 2014 19:15 abuse wrote:
lilwade
My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now.
As for the other things, what he says and analyzes are to my liking, though they are not anything big in particular. I like his jump on gobbledygook.
I am a little concerned about one thing wade said, but will not bring it to light yet, as I need more info.
Either way - If the tables would suddenly turn in this thread, I would not be okay with lynching him today.
So you had a slight scumread on lilwade partway through the day. Are you able to tell us about the 'complexity' of your read here?
I like your responses to Superbia. You kept up with providing responses and I think made a good effort to keep him on track. I think your responses to Superbia are the main reason to keep you in my town pile.
On August 27 2014 19:41 abuse wrote:
gobbledydook
This is my biggest scumread .
Does not indulge in any chatter at all. Does not give any input, until he just appears to instantly vote.
This is a slight worry, but you did give reasoning behind it so we are able to read your logic.
I'm so sorry abuse. You're just too mysterious and after everything that's happened I can't go through with our proposed marriage. We can still bang though.
Breshke
Ok your first list of reads was missing some names but there were some lurkers at the time so I'm ok with that.
On August 28 2014 08:06 Breshke wrote:
lilwade
I have liked all of lilwades posts. I agreed with most of his reads in post 109. I also liked his reactions to dooks first few posts and the fact that he didn't push too aggressively when he misread the one with stuffed up quotes. Although why when talking about day 1 lynches do you not suggest the person you are currently voting for? Is this because you don't think they would get the required votes?
On August 28 2014 08:10 lilwade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2014 08:01 gobbledydook wrote:On August 28 2014 07:52 Superbia wrote:On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote:
I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead. To be honest I think we should vote you. I don't like how you've been playing this at all. You seem to barely read any of the posts, and you make unsubstantiated votes, simply basing it on an existing wagon. You've given no original content, and I don't like it. I don't know how anyone can be this scummy on day 1. I think you may be town because of it, but I don't think you live here, unless you give a great defense. ##vote: gobbledydook my response is fuck you im done here see you after the game when you get the mafia victory post You can fuck right off with this post. My top 3 scum are MihZaaa, Dreamweaver and Gobbledick with his last post.
This interaction between you and lilwade caught my attention. You say you agree with his reads, can you please help me understand why lilwade is in your town circle?
Then you go from
On August 27 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote:
So hears some of my thoughts so far
MihZaaa
His first few posts made me feel uneasy as first he commented on how he thought jenny would change her play style as to avoid being killed during the night as town and then went on to say he likes being a town power role as it is easier to not get yourself lynched. To me this just feels like a bad mindset for the majority of towns people as survival isn’t what most of us should be worried about. I havn't actually been able to get any other reads from everything else he has said
to
On August 28 2014 08:14 Breshke wrote:
Ohh and i forgot this
Towncircle
abuse
lilwade
meatpudding
Scum
MihZaa
Gobbledydook
Everyone else not leaning enough either way for me yet
Why?
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SuperBias
Not sure what to make of you right now. You're tunnelling hard and I think you need to branch out a bit.
You back out on your thesis a bit after being pulled up on some points. The thing is you keep trying to justify it by saying those points are not important. Instead you should be trying to highlight the points that are important, and you've failed to do that. Please update and justify your reads.
On August 27 2014 22:19 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 13:35 gobbledydook wrote:meatpudding is abuse's scumbuddy
On August 27 2014 08:24 meatpudding wrote:... abuse Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far. On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:
@ Suburbia,
...
I also completely disagree on your rating.
Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
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Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do.
I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up. ... This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good' It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying. EBWOP fixed quotes I kind of like your first train on thought. However, there hadn't been that many analyses yet at this point in the game (this was the second one besides my big post) so I don't think you can fault him that much? It'll be interesting to see how meat aligns with abuse during the rest of the day/game, however.
I like that you are keeping an eye on how I am aligning with abuse. I feel safe giving you a town pass.
MihZaaa
Ok, you're keeping your eyes on me and abuse as well, that's good.
On August 27 2014 22:16 MihZaaa wrote:
It's so scummy that both of you are defending the other hard for things that aren't even that good reads/ town plays.
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You guys are either both mafia or both town.
But, I didn't see you post an answer to this. Dodging questions looks scummy to me.
On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote:MihZaaa: I am still very unsure about you. Would you mind explaining the following: Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 04:25 MihZaaa wrote:
What bothers me is that the people I read as scummy have either not spoken lately or have barely spoken. I wouldn't like this to be a wasted lynch where we end up just lynching for inactivity but it seems that's the direction we're heading to. Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote:
From least scummy to most.
Barakos
Superbia and JennyHell
Abuse You complain about your scum-suspects not contributing enough yet you put abuse, one of the most vocal ones in this thread so far as most scummy? I feel like you are contradicting yourself here. Especially since your post was right after two posts of abuse.
I don't think much of this not-very-in-depth analasys.
On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote:
Ill go to sleep now but before I go I'll leave some thoughts.
From least scummy to most.
Barakos
Superbia and JennyHell
Abuse
People who haven't contributed enough:
Lilwade
Meatpudding
Breshke
Gobbledydook and Daydreamarine
With lilwade contributing the most out of those 5.
Out of the people I have gotten reads on I would lynch abuse the most but he's been much more useful to the town than the lurkers so I can't be happy with lynching him.
I do think that the vote on abuse is still a little early and I'm not sure where I stand on Superbia already voting on 2 people in less than 24 hours.
Every possible setup included 2 mafia so I would have liked to have a general idea of 2 scummy people by now but the scarcity of contribution does not allow me to do that.
Makes another mention of lilwade as scum-read:
On August 27 2014 22:28 MihZaaa wrote:Barakos Show nested quote +I am still very unsure about you. Would you mind explaining the following:
On August 27 2014 04:25 MihZaaa wrote:
What bothers me is that the people I read as scummy have either not spoken lately or have barely spoken. I wouldn't like this to be a wasted lynch where we end up just lynching for inactivity but it seems that's the direction we're heading to.
On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote:
From least scummy to most.
Barakos
Superbia and JennyHell
Abuse
You complain about your scum-suspects not contributing enough yet you put abuse, one of the most vocal ones in this thread so far as most scummy?
I feel like you are contradicting yourself here. Especially since your post was right after two posts of abuse.
Don't mind explaining at all. When I was typing that abuses last few messages hadn't gotten through yet ( I didn't refresh the page before posting). He was my scummy read out of the ones that contributed and hadn't been responding for a while at that time. The other scum read was lilwade and he barely spoke. And all the rest were not present.
And in the end you voted for Dook. I think things are not looking good for you heading into day 2.
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Daydreamarine
We can't win this fight without you young man!
JennyHell
On August 28 2014 02:21 JennyHell wrote:
meatplayer
You're being a bit different from last time we played together. It could have something to do with the fact that we actually didn't get to play that much last time with me dying and you being inactive.
that said, I've liked your reads so far, although I'm not sure about MihZaaaa, and I'd like to see what more you can give further in to the game.
Ok this looks good to me. I like your call on MihZaaa and I am starting to think something along those lines. I would like you to perhaps go into some detail. You said you have been flip-flopping on this so some pushing would be in order to sort things out.
All game you have been referring to me and lilwade from the previous game. This worries me a little bit. Ofc you can try to 'meta' some playstyles but I'm worried you might carry some reads over. I don't like that you have been referring to it as often as you have (I know you were asked about it).
On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote:
MihZaaaa - I don't know how to read you. You're flip floppy and I get flip floppy on you. I don't like being flip floppy. I'm fine with you dying.
I'm interested in your thoughts on this as well as Breshke. Who is your top scum now?
After the wagon started you retracted on Dook and encouraged the scumhunt. The WIFOM is that he was going to be lynched anyway so mafia had everything to gain by looking innocent. Overall I'm giving you a bang as things pan out.
lilwade
lilwade has been a bit too quiet all game. Then here
On August 27 2014 12:09 lilwade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 11:26 gobbledydook wrote:abuse
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:
@ Suburbia,
Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there.
I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them.
Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads.
There has been barely any development at all yet.
I also completely disagree on your rating.
Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do.
I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
So look at this post 1) He's being rather defensive. It's been like one day into the game and no one has voted yet though already he is trying so hard to deflect any attacks on him. If he were town, he would be actually trying to make reads and analyse and contribute, instead of spending 2 big posts on explaining himself and arguing on semantics and fairness. Which ties onto the second point: 2) His reads are vague, general and useless. It's the easiest thing to say in the world that 'someone is town because he posts a lot of good stuff' and that's basically all he said. It's so easy for a scum to say that and look like he's given reads. Meanwhile look at his scum reads - '404 ERROR NOT FOUND'. ##Vote: abusefor being scum. I dont like that you come out of the woodwork and hop on someone elses boat. Instead of letting people analzye your post, you just come out with push on someone who has been getting picked at almost more than anyone else in the game. You accusing someone of vague, general, and useless when you have provided a poor case imo. your second post I didnt get quotes with that but what i did gather is this "Though there are no real reads possible at the moment," Why then are you voting for someone? What does that gain the town, i get you like to push people but a day 1 mislynch is not what we want in a 9 person game.
Posts a reply to Dook of all people. Maybe lilwade just jumps into the thread at the wrong time but seems to me he could have been lurking, waiting for a donkey post to form a wagon on.
Votes for MihZaaa without a good cause.
On August 28 2014 07:16 lilwade wrote:MihZaaa Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 22:24 MihZaaa wrote:JennyHell Following it up with a response to lilwade asking about me and superbia, and this is very minor but he, instead of saying what he said in previous post that we are in his towncircle, he decides to phrase it as a "no lynch zone", which felt a bit off. I had a no lynch zone but not a full town list yet. I was expecting the others to talk more so I can get a clearer mafia read instead of a "least town" read I had on abuse. He then had his lengthy post where he seemed extremely defensive, but he brought up some good parts as well that I can agree on. But the general feel I got from his lengthy post was that all the commented on was things that was about him, concerned him or was good for his play, which to me felt scummy. I talked about things concerning me because that's where I have the most valuable input. Not only that but I wasn't giving my thoughts in regards to Superbia's reads on others that much because I was interested in their unadulterated answer/reaction more. Here you can see him flip flop around he claims his least town was "abuse" after the gobbledydook posts and yet he still comes in with the one liner post voting for gobbledydook. A person that does not have their own opinion is more detrimental to town than anything else. His filter kinda jumps around from person to person and doesnt really give scum insight. ##vote MihZaaa
The reasoning here I can't quite follow. Are you calling MihZaaa scummy? Or are you voting on policy? What you said here is vague. If you think MihZaaa should be lynched I would like to see a case built up over the next day.
Right after you flip flop on Dook as well.
On August 28 2014 08:11 lilwade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2014 08:10 gobbledydook wrote:
IF YOU WANT TO LYNCH ME JUST TO GET IT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM DO IT k ##unvote ##vote: Gobblededook
On August 28 2014 07:35 lilwade wrote:
Right now I dont feel like either Gobbledydook or superbia are good day 1 lynches, Out of the 2 I would probably go with gobbledydook. Jenny do you think that these two are the right for the bandwagon???
Why are you sheeping Jen so hard? How do you know she's town?
In fact I have no info on your town circle at all.
Then,
On August 28 2014 09:24 lilwade wrote:
If we get momentum going for MihZaaa I will go for it
Still prepared to vote for MihZaaa, but no case. Would like to hear more about why you think he's scummy.
You are top scum for me at the moment.
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On August 28 2014 17:15 abuse wrote:Superbia, please get your head out of your butt. there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer. Show nested quote +On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote:
Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me? Are you kidding me? The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this.
Are you fucking kidding me? He gave no defense and had acted scummy during the day. Isn't this really fucking easy to say? Where the fuck were you during the formal? Last I checked your vote was on dook as well, and me changing mine wouldn't have stopped the lynch.
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On August 28 2014 18:02 meatpudding wrote:
SuperBias
Not sure what to make of you right now. You're tunnelling hard and I think you need to branch out a bit.
You back out on your thesis a bit after being pulled up on some points. The thing is you keep trying to justify it by saying those points are not important. Instead you should be trying to highlight the points that are important, and you've failed to do that. Please update and justify your reads.
Tunneling hard? I've pushed on three people during day 1, what did you do? I'm really fucking upset you weren't there at the end of day as well, but still blame me for this bullshit. I pulled back on my thesis because the only people who seemed to agree at a few points were you and Barakos, and other people were starting to read me scum for some of my points. I specifically asked for Barakos' and your opinion so we could have more discussion surrounding the thesis. I did highlight the points that were important. Read again.
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I'm currently living in a world where at least 1 of the 2 mafia was not active last night. It was way too fucking easy for mafia to hide because only half of the entire player group was around. I'm afraid that we may have had no real pressure on any mafia at the end of the day. Lilwade and Breshke both switch their votes from dook to MihZaaa as the end of day draws near. This means that it was very easy for the vote to swing Breshke's way (only needing 1 from dook +1). I don't think you take that risk as mafia.
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Meatpudding:
First of all: You ask me about my opinion on MihZaaas answer to my question, yet you call him out for dodging questions and quote my question.
I think you might have misquoted something, since I feel he didn't dodge my question?
I understand MihZaaas explanation to my question... I checked the timestamps on the post and what he says is true, there are only few minutes between abuses posts and his, so this makes perfectly sense. Up until end of day I liked him for calling out gobbledydook on his weak claim, since it was in line with my line of thought.
In hindsight I feel I should have pursued him more, since he said his scumreads were abuse and lilwade, yet he didn't react to them posting at all, which is suspicious especially in the case of abuse, since it was quite clear that both of them were in the thread at the same time. This could have been a costly mistake.
Also lilwade was present at the end of day, yet no interaction at all. No questions directed at lilwade and he only asks abuse once about his opinion on lilwade.
lilwade also made it from his list of people who didn't contribute enough to his scumreads without him giving any reasons behind this change. You only see him writing, that he wants to see more from lilwade.
Next thing that feels a bit off is that his vote on gobbledydook came 15 minutes after him mentioning gobble. This may be personal preference but I don't like that his post only contains the vote and you have to scroll through his filter to find, what he doesn't like about gobble because between his vote and his reason behind are two more posts.
As for why I didn't follow up on my questions on you:
I missunderstood something in abuses push on superbias post and therefore interpreted things wrong. I mentioned it in a post to Jenny that your post helped me see, where my logic was faulty and I also explained my missunderstanding a few posts earlier when answering abuses question.
I didn't feel the need to follow up on your post, since it was based on flawed logic on my side. Sorry I didn't give you any notice of me, not planing to follow up on that push.
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On August 28 2014 19:37 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2014 17:15 abuse wrote:Superbia, please get your head out of your butt. there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer. On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote:
Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me? Are you kidding me? The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this. Are you fucking kidding me? He gave no defense and had acted scummy during the day. Isn't this really fucking easy to say? Where the fuck were you during the formal? Last I checked your vote was on dook as well, and me changing mine wouldn't have stopped the lynch.
I really think we should stop with the swearing - sorry about that.
Giving a defense or not did not really matter in that case, and his case when I voted for him, and his case at the end of the day was different.
I already explained, that your reasoning in assuming that "it is a play" did not make sense. Mafia wouldn't selfdestruct like this - quite the opposite, mafia would make sure to post a valid defense attempt.
What is "the formal" ?
And again - I explained many times why my vote on dook was different than yours in this case. I Honestly think, that your vote changing could have helped a lot. Don't get me wrong - I am not blaming only you for how this played out. I just do not like how you had the most contact with Jenny, and you didn't see what she was so desperately trying to pass on. I am sad for this. Overall I do see you a little more towny now, I just wish you would pay more attention to the posts that matter and try to change your perspective on things a little.
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On August 28 2014 19:55 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2014 19:37 Superbia wrote:On August 28 2014 17:15 abuse wrote:Superbia, please get your head out of your butt. there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer. On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote:
Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me? Are you kidding me? The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this. Are you fucking kidding me? He gave no defense and had acted scummy during the day. Isn't this really fucking easy to say? Where the fuck were you during the formal? Last I checked your vote was on dook as well, and me changing mine wouldn't have stopped the lynch. I really think we should stop with the swearing - sorry about that. Giving a defense or not did not really matter in that case, and his case when I voted for him, and his case at the end of the day was different. I already explained, that your reasoning in assuming that "it is a play" did not make sense. Mafia wouldn't selfdestruct like this - quite the opposite, mafia would make sure to post a valid defense attempt. What is "the formal" ? And again - I explained many times why my vote on dook was different than yours in this case. I Honestly think, that your vote changing could have helped a lot. Don't get me wrong - I am not blaming only you for how this played out. I just do not like how you had the most contact with Jenny, and you didn't see what she was so desperately trying to pass on. I am sad for this. Overall I do see you a little more towny now, I just wish you would pay more attention to the posts that matter and try to change your perspective on things a little.
I do understand what she was trying to pass on. I understand the whole "mafia doesn't do this" thing. But the thing is, I've seen so many games now where people use the "mafia doesn't do this" to abstain or whatever. And guess what? Mafia does do that. Mafia can do anything they want. I felt like dook was bluffing hard, he never gave his reads, he never gave a defense. So I voted on him. You can't let shit like that happen as town.
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On August 28 2014 20:01 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2014 19:55 abuse wrote:On August 28 2014 19:37 Superbia wrote:On August 28 2014 17:15 abuse wrote:Superbia, please get your head out of your butt. there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer. On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote:
Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me? Are you kidding me? The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this. Are you fucking kidding me? He gave no defense and had acted scummy during the day. Isn't this really fucking easy to say? Where the fuck were you during the formal? Last I checked your vote was on dook as well, and me changing mine wouldn't have stopped the lynch. I really think we should stop with the swearing - sorry about that. Giving a defense or not did not really matter in that case, and his case when I voted for him, and his case at the end of the day was different. I already explained, that your reasoning in assuming that "it is a play" did not make sense. Mafia wouldn't selfdestruct like this - quite the opposite, mafia would make sure to post a valid defense attempt. What is "the formal" ? And again - I explained many times why my vote on dook was different than yours in this case. I Honestly think, that your vote changing could have helped a lot. Don't get me wrong - I am not blaming only you for how this played out. I just do not like how you had the most contact with Jenny, and you didn't see what she was so desperately trying to pass on. I am sad for this. Overall I do see you a little more towny now, I just wish you would pay more attention to the posts that matter and try to change your perspective on things a little. I do understand what she was trying to pass on. I understand the whole "mafia doesn't do this" thing. But the thing is, I've seen so many games now where people use the "mafia doesn't do this" to abstain or whatever. And guess what? Mafia does do that. Mafia can do anything they want. I felt like dook was bluffing hard, he never gave his reads, he never gave a defense. So I voted on him. You can't let shit like that happen as town.
I am going to remind you that this is a newbie game. It is the first game for many people, and It is quite possible that they have not played a mafia game in their life, including real life mafia. You do have to take this into account, and it was noticable from his rage that he was a townie raging.
I do fully agree with you that it is frustrating when people use the phrase "mafia does not do this" and I agree that thinking like that is silly and can do you more bad than good, but in this case, I really think it applied pretty well.
Anyway, what's done is done, Will try to dig more into all of this a little later..
Also... I am going to be pretty inactive for some 2 (starting tomorrow night), as I will have a wedding to go to.
I will try to post and reply as best I can, but if there will be 10+ pages to go through every time I log on, then I am afraid I will not be able to give good input..
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On August 28 2014 19:47 Superbia wrote:
I'm currently living in a world where at least 1 of the 2 mafia was not active last night. It was way too fucking easy for mafia to hide because only half of the entire player group was around. I'm afraid that we may have had no real pressure on any mafia at the end of the day. Lilwade and Breshke both switch their votes from dook to MihZaaa as the end of day draws near. This means that it was very easy for the vote to swing Breshke's way (only needing 1 from dook +1). I don't think you take that risk as mafia.
I actually feel Breshkes swing has got some bad taste in it.
First of all there is this quote:
On August 28 2014 08:36 Breshke wrote:
I agree i was looking on him with a towny light but he seemed to just flip out. I'm not going to lynch someone just because they get Bm so "oh he must be town" that sets a bad standard. If people don't understand your reads its your job to try and explain them.
Yet he still votes on gobble, not for being mafia but for being anti-town, after gobble started insulting people.
Then he only went for MihZaaa after wades swing and when he could be quite sure, that he would not get lynched, since it would have taken 2 extra-votes on him and there were not enough people active in the thread to accomplish this, since many of us - myself included - were not present at the end of the day.
Gobbles vote already was on him by the time he switched, so it would have taken 2 out of Meatpudding, abuse, superbia, lilwade an me.
Lilwade switched back to his prime suspect just a few posts before, so he could be quite sure, he wouldn't get lilwades vote and meatpudding, abuse and I were not present anymore by the time he switched.
I don't think this switch was a risk at all.
On lilwades swing I feel unsure, since he had MihZaaa as his first vote, then switched to gobbledydook after his outburst and then switched back to MihZaaa, once his outburst was over and the tempers have cooled down. I don't like the back and forth, but it is in line with his previous posts and I can't blame him for swinging to gobble for a short period of time. He also gave an explanation for swinging:
On August 28 2014 09:19 lilwade wrote:
I will make this clear I See MihZaaa as my scum, but I do not like people who are detrimental to town. I think gobbledydook needs to put on his big boy pants and play the game.
Still: I don't like the switching back and forth but I can understand both switches. I still would have felt better, if he had stuck with MihZaaa.
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