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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
Do you feel that Breshke's push on MihZaaa on day 1 EoD excludes a Breshke/MihZaaa duo? Or do you still believe that Breshke (and by extension, MihZaaa) was completely safe in Breshke's eyes? I personally think that Breshke and MihZaaa are probably not a duo. I think if Breshke flips town it's definitely MihZaaa at this point in time. Which of the two would you rather kill? | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 28 2014 10:00 Amiko wrote: Day 1 - Final Vote Count Breshke (2): Abuse (0): Superbia (1): Meatpudding, gobbledydook (4): Abuse, MihZaaa, Barakos, Superbia, MihZaaa (2): Not voting (1): Daydreamarine This is how it ended, as we all could see. Gobble had 3 votes for him, then Superbia votes for him and he completely loses it. He starts flinging poo, basically. My initial thought was, if he flips mafia after this lynch then Superbia is likely to be his mafia teammate, bussing him hard and therefore he's angry. My secondary thought was that he's probably frustrated and annoyed with being read wrong and taking it to a personal level. While it is totally not ok to act like he did there, I wanted to make sure he at least tried in his last few dying breaths. I saw something there that made me feel he is town, and when I went through his posts earlier tonight I felt so dumb for not seeing his previous town tells. I will point them out in another post, this one is about the voting. So, I began defending him. People were voting on him even though they said he felt town. I pointed you out because you all felt that it was ok to drop the scumhunting, to drop everything this game is about just because someone went douche-mode. Gobble changed his vote to Breshke, maybe because I was defending him so he was reading me town and therefore understood the flaws I saw in Breshke. That's just speculation though. I manage to talk sense into some of you, so lilwade swaps back to MihZaa where he previously was and Breshke joins on. I mean, I didn't expect him to go anywhere else because he can't really go for himself. Why he decided to swap off I hope come from a town perspective but to be honest I feel it's a very neutral perspective. Either way he was not in any danger of being the lynch, here's why: The change came ~20 minutes before the end of the day and for him to be the new lynch it would have required a super adamant hard-headed Superbia to move off Gobble and onto Breshke, to make a 3-3 and then for either lilwade to flip onto Breshke or Daydreamarine to perform a miracle that is called voting. The rest hadn't shown enough presence to even be a threat of changing their votes. I think it's safe to say that end of day 1 was chaotic, and confusing. We didn't have 2 wagons like I explicitly tried to get going and then it turned in to a mess because someone overreacted. However, his overreaction made me see him as town and I'm just sad I didn't manage to save him. | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
On August 29 2014 05:08 JennyHell wrote: Barakos, you mention that if MihZaa flips red you think I could possibly be his scum partner. Try to see it from the other end. What if I were to flip scum, who'd be my partner then? Do you still reach the same conclusion that it would be MihZaaaa? That said, how likely do you feel it is that I flip scum after I've been vomiting town all over this entire game? The bolded part is exactly, what i would do with each of my suspects, in case MihZaa flips: I would look at it with switched roles. I haven't put much thought into scenarios in which you flip scum, cause those scenarios are the most unlikely for me at the moment, so I am not 100% sure, what would be the outcome if I checked your interactions with MihZaa. But let's see... There was the early interaction between you two, when he called you out because he felt that the rate between the length of your posts and your reads was off and you mentioning that superbias list was inconsequent considering the score on mihzaa and abuse. The next noteable thing is that you made a really long post, where you never really made up your mind considering him. After that you only had interactions, where you encouraged people to either put their votes on or off MihZaaa. (At the beginning of EoD you asked wade to put his vote off of MihZaaa and when you were trying to safe gobbledydook you asked wade and breshke to form a wagon on him. So while everything up until the end of day one was "flip-floppy" as you called it yourself there were no definite leans in your interactions with him, which then changed. One time tried to get a vote off of him and the other time you tried to get votes onto him. While this isn't consistent behavior, it is both too extreme. So this plus taking the fact, that you had him on your top three scumlist, leads me to believe, that in case of you flipping red, i wouldn't see MihZaa as your scumbuddy. Which in return would also make you one of the weaker suspects, in case of MihZaa flipping red. Please don't ask me for other spontaneous analysis on the other possible suspects right now, or at least don't expect me to post them right away. 1) this is all theory on what would happen, if he flips scum, which absolutely isn't a given and if at all will happen not earlier than saturday night, the main question right now should be: "is mihzaaa a good D2 lynch" and not "what happens, if we lynch him and he flips red" 2) this takes quite some time... i reread both of your filters (not indepth but it still took lots of time)... and right now it is getting late for me, since i haven't gotten much sleep this night 3) as a result of 2) i already got a minor headache | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
On August 29 2014 05:12 Superbia wrote: Which of the two would you rather kill? This is not the final answer to this question, because there is still a question at Breshke, which he hasn't answered yet. Atm for me it is Breshke, since i disliked the way he reasoned before voting. I will have to wait until my question is answered. But given the way things are atm, we might also have to consider daydreamarine as one of our possible targets. His inactivity kills any possibility to read him... If you hear this: Shape up mr.marine! Get out of your shell and post something. I can't believe, you read the whole thread twice and still got not the smallest hint of a tell on anybody. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
1. His intro. On August 26 2014 13:04 gobbledydook wrote: I am Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty. I may or may not be a blue role. I will do all I can to root out all evil and wickedness in this realm. God save the princesses. He's trying to take a role bullet. Which is a good thing to do as VT. He went on to say that abuse is scum for how he doesn't have a scum read when it's been 24 hours in to day 1 and follows it up with a vote. The next post explains that he things Meatpudding is abuse's partner and is attempting to make him look better. And the logic sort of made sense at that moment. On August 27 2014 13:35 gobbledydook wrote: meatpudding is abuse's scumbuddy ... This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good' It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying. EBWOP fixed quotes I agree with him that at that point it seemed a bit odd and still does. Saying he's suspicious and hoping he can bring more insight and in the same post be all like "oh, found something!" Another thing I'd like to comment about.. Why wouldn't you want to be direct? There's no need to beat around the bush and conceal things. Just be up front. Here's how I feel and this is why. And here's my followup Q for you. Nice and simple, so everyone can get it. Gobble then did something towny. He listened to what you guys had said and went back on his reads. He wasn't worried it would make him look scummy he wasn't acting strange. He was genuinely changing his mind on the two and unvoted. Now that abuse has posted his list of reads I think he's town. I think he has put a massive effort into solving this game. The only thing I don't like is he omguses me, but that's fine I can live with that. ##Unvote A reread of meatpudding's analysis and follow-up to my post seems to indicate he is town. It's not scummy to change reads. It shows you are reconsidering the game and you're trying to solve this and figure out who the wicked ones truly are. He reminded people that voting is mandatory. Something any alignment could easily do, so that's a neutral thing to do. But then he comes out with this: I think you will find your scumhunting approach incorrect. Usually the assholes get lynched and flip town. It's because mafia have nothing to gain by insulting everyone. The mafia's greatest hope is that everyone forgets about them. Which to me just hit home. That's exactly how most mafia players are in video mafia as well. They try really hard to get in to a town circle. Once they are actually there, they just sit back and enjoy the ride while town tears itself apart. That said though, it's not an excuse for his behaviour which was completely unacceptable. Then BAM! On August 28 2014 07:06 gobbledydook wrote: A cursory reread makes me feel the absence of lilwade. Look at this post. It feels...noncommittal doesn't it. So the problem with being noncommittal is that scum generally want to leave their options open so they can't be held responsible. He follows up with a disapproval on my manner of entering the thread which is partly based on a misread. He disappears afterwards: I would lynch lilwade but I think superbia is better. Again hitting the analogy right on the head. How did we not see this as a town read? Even if we don't necessarily agree that lilwade is scum scum, I think we all have some worries about him. Where do they stem from? Maybe this that gobble pointed out to us. Following on to his response to my comment that he's starting to seem desperate which made me think he was more scummy and was probably going to start grasping at straws in a few moments. On August 28 2014 07:34 gobbledydook wrote: You'd be desperate too if you were about to be mislynched. Everyone has a different reaction when put on the noose. Desperation, or the lack of it, is simply not alignment indicative. Can't count how many times the 'desperate person' flipped town and then I was like welp dun goofed. He's again 100% correct. An emotional response is of neutral alignment. You can't read someone from it unless you know the person/have played with them before and therefore have a feel for how they usually respond. Then came his BM that I will not recap, because I think we've all read it 4-5 times already. All in all, he said towny things even if we didn't agree on his reads. And I feel stooooooooopid for not seeing those to begin with. Everything just gets more clear when you know he's confirmed. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
1. Be up front about your reads. It's ok to change your mind, it's not scummy. It shows you are willing to re-evaluate as more information comes up. 2. Don't leave anyone out. If you are unsure, say you are unsure and why. 3. Please please please!!! Do not say "I think he may be town but he's scummy" Pick one or at least which way they are leaning. Because it's hella confusing. I get one can be unsure of reads. I have many of those I am not a 100% on, but at some point you will have to start trusting yourself and your reads and instead allow them to change your mind according to what I said in point 1. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
My circles for unambiguity: Town: JennyHell Barakos Leaning Town: lilwade Leaning Scum: abuse MeatPackage daydreamarine Scum: Breshke MihZaaa Scum-heavy list, mostly due to the chaotic EoD. Reasons can be found in my reads. Let me know if there are any further questions. At this point I really want to hear from Breshke and MihZaaa. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Breshke, I went hard at him and he was my final vote. He's also not contributed much in my opinion. lilwade, his activity is super low. I saw something in one of his posts that gave him a pass for the day and was going to keep my eyes on him for day 2. He should not be off the scum radar. Barakos, I know most of us are reading him as town but remember, noone is confirmed! Daydreamarine, I asked him a question during the night and tried to do it in a roleplay fashion. Make sure he answers it and hopefully that will help you with him. Remember this post: On August 29 2014 06:20 JennyHell wrote: Moving on, what I'd like for us to do is this: 1. Be up front about your reads. It's ok to change your mind, it's not scummy. It shows you are willing to re-evaluate as more information comes up. 2. Don't leave anyone out. If you are unsure, say you are unsure and why. 3. Please please please!!! Do not say "I think he may be town but he's scummy" Pick one or at least which way they are leaning. Because it's hella confusing. I get one can be unsure of reads. I have many of those I am not a 100% on, but at some point you will have to start trusting yourself and your reads and instead allow them to change your mind according to what I said in point 1. Strong stances people. It's better to change your mind as more info comes to you. This is day 2 coming up and we've already had 1 mislynch. We can't afford many more. To end this post, no matter who dies, ask yourself who had anything to gain from this nightkill. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
My suggestions for possible wagons coming in to day 2 is: Breshke & MihZaa. They were on my scumlist day 1 and they still haven't done anything to make me change my mind on them. Of course, if I were to live (which would be hella dumb mafiaplay) then I will reconsider everyone. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
Town: JennyHell, Superbia Leaning Town: meatpudding, abuse Leaning Scum: lilwade, daydreamarine Scum: Breshke, MihZaaa With abuse it is a close call between leaning town and leaning scum. The two of us started off on the false foot, and had some missunderstandings but since they have been cleared I see him leaning more town. This will be my last post for today. I wish you all (sadly, i could also write two) a good night and may we all wake up again tomorrow. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Here are my final reads for this night. Hopefully I can live on tomorrow but I don't see that happening. Town: Barakos (he's not confirmed) Leaning town: Superbia (Stop being hardheaded and a donkey! It's ok to change reads.) Leaning town: abuse (Gurl, pick your game up and be here when you're needed.) Leaning town: Daydreamarine (There was something in his RP that caught my eye. Hopefully he'll answer my Q!) Leaning mafia: lilwade (You need to pick it up and prove yourself.) Leaning mafia: meatpudding (Some of your logic I've recently started questioning) Mafia: MihZaaa (You've slipped under my radar for far too long and you contradict yourself in what you say.) Mafia: Breshke (You still make me feel like you've done nothing this game.) | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
 probably farewell to one of you. | ||
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Daydreamarine
Netherlands35 Posts
mandatory overtime unfortunately. Tomorrow I dont have to work though. Will read through the posts now and will provide analysis as far as I am able before 3. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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