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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 27 2014 03:34 Barakos wrote: I think I already mentioned it in my first larger post but here again and in a bit more detail: This is my first game of forum mafia and I haven't played mafia in a good amount of years. We had a quite big group of live-mafia-players back in the day, when I still went to school but as it goes with everything, if you go to school in a smaller city... people spread out to go to university / do their required military service or get jobs in other cities, so we stopped playing. Few weeks ago i stumbled over the Mafia-section of this forum, got interested, lurked in some games and got more interested, and now - her i am. Fair enough, welcome back to the world of mafia games! | ||
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MihZaaa
Romania19 Posts
Superbia I liked your big post more than the Barakos does even though a lot of reads were "Alright!" which I thought didn't add anything. As such I will mostly talk about the things you attributed points to. 2. Soft claiming cop? Alright. +1 I didn't like that you said this at all. I don't see why town would bring up what might have been a major slip-up from cop. Seems like you're making sure who to kill in the night and considering you gave him a tasty +1 for pretty much nothing it seems like you're trying to pocket him. In all serious seriousness, slight mafia read here (will elaborate on the read if I see a trend). -0.5 I didn't read this as scummy necessarily so I'm looking forward to what your read was when you feel it has taken enough shape. 3. Don't like this, feels like a preface for possible shitty (i.e. scummy) play. -0.5 I started reeling you back into town for this one. I agree. At this point you're still leaning mafia to me. 3. Baaaah! I assume this rather rude reaction means you think I'm sheeping? It's my first forum mafia game so I'm not familiar with the lingo yet. I think this would have been a valid criticism considering I didn't elaborate too much on my read had it not been really early in the game where expecting such detailed explanations is high hopes at best. Maybe i misinterpret the baa h though. I would like clarification. 1. Nothing is better than anything! Or wait! No! Anything is better than nothing! Right?! (Let the princess do his thing, the more interactions the better!) Aside from how condescending it felt I also feel like you're setting up a bit of a strawman. It's only that one question that I had a problem with not his attempt (successful attempt, i might add) to spark conversation. 2. And here I thought I was prideful! Wanting a power role so it's easier not to die during lynches. Preface for garbage excuse during said lynch? -0.5 I don't like that you attributed negative points to something you expect to happen but hasn't happened yet IE garbage excuses from me during a lynch. Can you be a bit more proactive? I liked this a lot! Good request. Let's not get sidetracked with this policy garbage. More town points for you! Yeah, it doesn't fully correspond to my actual +/- list. I liked MihZaaa's last few posts (he actually contributed, unlike most others) and decided to replace his initial place in my mafia circle with abuse. Furthermore, I had a case lined up against MihZaaa before based on what I thought was a contradiction: it seemed like he was saying he wanted to lynch or at least look at lurkers (post #135), even though he said he didn't like to lynch lurkers (post #125). But on review (triggered by post #141 which he made during the construction my post) it seemed like he was instead withholding his opinion on them until they post something substantial. Due to this revelation, his activity, and the fact that most of my case was based on something which turned out to be a misunderstanding, I decided to keep him neutral for now. I can see how that might have been seen as contradictory. Won't waste much time on this but I think mafia would have sinked their teeth in this asap and more importantly wouldn't have reconsidered it with such detailed reasoning. More town points to you. Will give a in a few hours but right now I'm seeing Barakos as top town. This will not help the game but it's important to me.+ Show Spoiler + I don't know if you were totally joking with the sexism thing but it's serious enough business for me to address. It didn't immediately come to mind that JennyHell was a girl(I feel a bit stupid that you had to point it out to me). I had the name Miranda in cs 1.6 for a long time mostly because I like the name so much even though I'm a guy. The fact that it came off sexist is bad and i'm sorry, jenny saw it the same way Superbia did. | ||
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MihZaaa
Romania19 Posts
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
 But let's see, if we can lead this thread into a more productive direction... On August 27 2014 03:21 Superbia wrote: Eh, the soft claim may or may not be true. It just means I probably don't want to lynch him day 1 unless some dirty shit comes up. I also don't really think I'm helping mafia here, it really could mean anything, like you pointed out, but if it eases your mind I'll stop pointing shit like that out.  I don't want to elaborate too much on bresh at the moment until he starts talking. Fine with me, if you don't want to talk about Breshke right now. But I'll come back to this point some point into the game, if it is still important by the time, Breshke answers. Mind to talk a little about abuse? From your giant post I get, that you also didn't like the way he brought the discussion about policies into the thread. Are you with me, when i say that it looks kind of scummy and seems like he is trying to find out, if it is ok to lurk? Or do you think there is the possibility I am overreading things and he just made it sound a little weird? | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
the "Thanks, I guess " -part was directed at Jenny for welcoming me back to mafia. | ||
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abuse
Latvia1926 Posts
Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there. I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet. I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral. I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch. Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet. | ||
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abuse
Latvia1926 Posts
On August 27 2014 04:17 Barakos wrote: Mind to talk a little about abuse? From your giant post I get, that you also didn't like the way he brought the discussion about policies into the thread. Are you with me, when i say that it looks kind of scummy and seems like he is trying to find out, if it is ok to lurk? Or do you think there is the possibility I am overreading things and he just made it sound a little weird? I really think this is a little silly, since I already mentioned many times that I plan to be vocal in this game, I also mentioned that I have had a game with a very annoying lurker, so I will push lurkers. Seems like a waste of time, and a waste of a discussion to think if I plan to lurk or not, since you can just see it later, and punish that. The same way I plan to (Do take note that I find lurking to be something slightly different than you - lurking in my book is when someone does not reply to your questions or does not reply with an actual answer.) | ||
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MihZaaa
Romania19 Posts
I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle. The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse. Care to explain that? Paying close attention to potential slip-ups is really towny I feel. Barakos did the same thing and Superbia did it to me and this is pretty much my town circle right now. What bothers me is that the people I read as scummy have either not spoken lately or have barely spoken. I wouldn't like this to be a wasted lynch where we end up just lynching for inactivity but it seems that's the direction we're heading to. | ||
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MihZaaa
Romania19 Posts
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. I like this a lot because I think things got a little heavy. I am guilty of being aggressive at times and i think it's a good policy to push but not harass and to inquire but not interrogate. I'm happy none of the negative stuff didn't happen yet though. | ||
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MihZaaa
Romania19 Posts
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lilwade
United States136 Posts
Here is my perspective from the last 12 hours. 1) Jenny you have started strong again but apart from last game you have come off way stronger this time around, maybe overcompensating to try to appear like you start every game the same, I am not sure. you are probably on my bang list for now, you know how I hate to commit to marry. What are your thoughts on MihZaaa? 2) Superbia despite your post that was longer than my last college paper I feel you are doing your best to seek out scum and test the waters and I think no mafia would have gone to lengths to provide what you did albeit in a poorly formatted manner. For the most part I think your genuine, but I still have my doubts on the quality of your reads. 3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse? 4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated? 5) abuse I think that every mafia game we have atleast 1 person (you), to start of the game with classic reaction questions and I like it tbh, Myself you can call me Town Hero for I will seek out scum so none of our beautiful princesses have to die. I was hoping to get a character that I could add a lot of flavor with but I was unfamiliar with how to go about it. As for my thoughts on you I think you are spending a little to much time defending rather than advancing and I do not like that. What can you bring to the table that will get the game on the right track aside from your first post. Anyone I didnt mention was not worth mentioning and you need to be worried about that because I will be waiting to hear from you. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote: To preface this a little: I am expect this post will be a bit lengthy so if there's anything you will have answered by the time I post then don't feel obligated to repeat. Superbia I liked your big post more than the Barakos does even though a lot of reads were "Alright!" which I thought didn't add anything. As such I will mostly talk about the things you attributed points to. I didn't like that you said this at all. I don't see why town would bring up what might have been a major slip-up from cop. Seems like you're making sure who to kill in the night and considering you gave him a tasty +1 for pretty much nothing it seems like you're trying to pocket him. In all honesty, I feel like a cop would never soft-claim like this. I also don't think a mafia would ever blatantly soft-claim like this (if it was a soft claim to begin with, would love to hear from MeatComputer) On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote: I didn't read this as scummy necessarily so I'm looking forward to what your read was when you feel it has taken enough shape. That's fine, we'll see how it goes. On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote: I assume this rather rude reaction means you think I'm sheeping? It's my first forum mafia game so I'm not familiar with the lingo yet. I think this would have been a valid criticism considering I didn't elaborate too much on my read had it not been really early in the game where expecting such detailed explanations is high hopes at best. Maybe i misinterpret the baa h though. I would like clarification. Yeah, it was sheeping in my eyes. Those were the exact reads given before. On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote: Aside from how condescending it felt I also feel like you're setting up a bit of a strawman. It's only that one question that I had a problem with not his attempt (successful attempt, i might add) to spark conversation. Not condescending! I just like to joke around, especially if I'm making a fucking huge post. Keeps it fresh. My point is that although the three general questions were kind of "meh", nothing is better than anything.On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote: I don't like that you attributed negative points to something you expect to happen but hasn't happened yet IE garbage excuses from me during a lynch.  I'm sorry, but this post evened out the score! You're up in points again. On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:Will give a in a few hours but right now I'm seeing Barakos as top town. I agreeantly agree. On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:This will not help the game but it's important to me.+ Show Spoiler + I don't know if you were totally joking with the sexism thing but it's serious enough business for me to address. It didn't immediately come to mind that JennyHell was a girl(I feel a bit stupid that you had to point it out to me). I had the name Miranda in cs 1.6 for a long time mostly because I like the name so much even though I'm a guy. The fact that it came off sexist is bad and i'm sorry, jenny saw it the same way Superbia did. Ha! Don't worry about! (worry about it!) It was a mere jest. I like you MihZaaa! You're well on your way into my town circle, which means the others are surely envious of you! | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On August 27 2014 04:13 MihZaaa wrote: Forgot to say this but great effort with the long post you made Superbia. Your "abomination" was certainly much more useful than daydreamingmarine's was. Did I miss anything? Did he post yet? | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On August 27 2014 04:17 Barakos wrote: Thanks, I guess. But let's see, if we can lead this thread into a more productive direction... Fine with me, if you don't want to talk about Breshke right now. But I'll come back to this point some point into the game, if it is still important by the time, Breshke answers. Mind to talk a little about abuse? From your giant post I get, that you also didn't like the way he brought the discussion about policies into the thread. Are you with me, when i say that it looks kind of scummy and seems like he is trying to find out, if it is ok to lurk? Or do you think there is the possibility I am overreading things and he just made it sound a little weird?[/QUOTE] Honestly? I was just looking to push on a second person on whom I had a slightly scummy read, and I think we got 'em town! Post on abuse coming up! | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Vote Count – Day 1 Breshke (1): Superbia Not voting (9): Dainty flowers Currently, Breshke is set to be lynched with 1 vote. As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else. Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! Day 1 will end in . | ||
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MihZaaa
Romania19 Posts
4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated? Both are in the no lynch zone for me. In regards to jenny overcompensating I'm not sure and I won't give it much thought day 1 because, mafia or town, I'm ok with people talking. Superbia's post I read as town motivated but it's his switch on his read that made me see him as town. I gathered that you saw them as town too so that's not really helpful. What do you think of abuse and meatpump? You still haven't told me why you asked for Jenny's thoughts so early on. Like I said it felt like testing the waters and I read it as scummy. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later. Alright, so you're making an easy promise because according to post #167, you aren't actually going to do shit with the information in a way that's positive for town. Sounds like a good excuse for a time sink (I didn't do anything because I was studying the other thread!). On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.) As I've said before, this can definitely be seen as a preface for scummy play. Why would you tell us what your playstyle is? How useful is this for town? It sounds like something you can fall back on when you've made a bad (i.e. scummy) play. On August 26 2014 17:06 abuse wrote: In my mind, there is no real time when a townie lying would benefit town, so I would urge you not to do so, because if I catch you, I will push you. And chances are you will be scum when you flip afterwards. I have also recently played with a very annoying lurker, who just deflected all questions and did not really give any information at all to town. Behavior like this will also be pushed HARD. Hopefully we get a good town atmosphere going where everyone is open about their thoughts and reads so scum has nowhere to hide. Have fun peeps~ Sounds like a preface for getting easy miss-lynches and blaming it on lying/lurking. Lynch all lurkers is "ok". Lynch all liars is garbage. I already fucking lied (gave misinformation about my points), where's the HARD push, huh? On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote: My reason for asking about lynching liars and lurkers served 3 purposes. 1) to get your thoughts out, so people can have a peek into each others brains a little 2) to make sure people were on the same end of the stick as me, when it comes to what constitues a "liar" and what constitues a "lurker". One of the things being - I don't mind lurkers as much if they are just inactive. I do on the other half mind a lurker that is being called out but keeps ignoring questions. I have had this happen in another game and it is very annoying and I will not tolerate this. 3) See how people react to the policies, as well as what alignments would they prefer to play. While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.(for example, compare your answer of the first question to MihZaaa) Later down the game you can use this as a tool to see if they match it or not. Why reveal this? And why so early? This makes no sense as town. You should at least wait until everyone has answered the questions. And on that note, despite requests, abuse still hasn't answered all of them. Furthermore, to me, this makes it feel like there is much more substance behind the questions than there actually is. Don't get me wrong, I kind of liked the question behind lynching liars and lurkers, but it could also be used to distract town and eat time. The real question is: what have you gotten from the answers and how does it contribute to town? On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote:I really do not have a problem with answering these questions myself, but how often do you really see people asking questions to others while answering them themselves at first? It also served a double purpose, to see who would call me out on it and how soon would it happen. Happened pretty soon, which is good. What use is it to look out for who calls him out for it? Is it alignment indicative? Hint: the answer is no. On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet. What? There's plenty to read (alright, not that much, but what?). I gave no reads in return? Did you even read my post? Or are you not interested in what town has to say? Red flag right here. Also, you didn't ask any reads from anyone yet, so it's okay not to provide any of your own? Not asking people shit is a bad sign, by the way. On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral. Another part that makes it blatantly obvious that you only skimmed over my post. Did you just crtl+f "scum" or something? On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch. How do I "rush too much"? You mean giving opinions and reads? Are you not happy that I'm giving a shitload of data (not all of it being good, granted), even though you complained about "no people being around". On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet. How the fuck do you claim that there are no real reads, but still get townie vibes from people? You got a different kind of information source than me (i.e. know who is town)? Exact opposite from me? Again, didn't even read my fucking town circle. Furthermore, after all the interactions that happened, you have no reads? What the fuck? ##Vote: abuse | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
On August 27 2014 05:00 lilwade wrote: 3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse? Welcome to the discussion, lilwade! About time, i might add. First about that abomination-part, since it is the easiest thing to answer: I didn't want to discredit superbia for putting as much effort in his post as he did. What I wanted to express was, that his post is absolutely huge and doesn't look pretty... just like the abominations in warcraft 3. I disliked several points in superbias post, which i already pointed out and he answered already to my concerns. Did you actually read, what I had to say about it? The thing I found most scummy was him trying to put a soft-copclaim to meatpudding for something that in my eyes was absolutely no claim at all. But his answers and - again - the huge effort behind his post make him look more towny than scummy in my eyes, which brings me directly to your next question... who should we persue? This is a hard one. My current feeling is, that i don't like the four guys who haven't posted anything meaningfull at all, which are Breshke, meatpudding, gobbledydook and daydreamarine but I think we should not persue them quite yet... three of them are australians (MP, Breshke and gobbledydook), which leaves only daydreamarine looking kind of suspicious, since he is in my timezone and should have had plenty of time to read at least something. But again... I don't want to pursue someone yet for not posting anything at all... there are still 29 hours of D1 left for them to make their entrance. So with Jenny being in my town and Superbia being close to being in my town this leaves you, abuse and mihzaaa as possible D1 lynches. Your post seems towny to me. You gave lots of reads and spoke out your opinion on several topics that were discussed earlier, which is good, but at the same time asked questions about a whole bunch of people. This can be attributed to you reading the whole thread and just gathering your thoughts but it could also be you trying to find something on some townie that will stick. So I haven't made up my mind on you yet. I think I also made clear in an earlier post, that i got some reservations towards abuse, of which I am not quite sure, whether they are just a wrong feeling about him on my side caused by our different understanding of what a lurker is or if they are substantiated. Mihzaaaa - i got a hard time reading him. I will have to look closer at his filter to make up my mind. Right now i get a feeling, that he could be town. Mainly based on the big post he made to comment on Superbias post, in which he pointed out where he agreed with superbia and where he disagreed and gave a general insight in his thoughtprocess. Also i like this sentence a lot: I like this a lot because I think things got a little heavy. I am guilty of being aggressive at times and i think it's a good policy to push but not harass and to inquire but not interrogate. Nothing is worse than a thread full of people shouting and flaming each other... | ||
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