[W] Newbie LVIII - Disney Princess Mafia - Page 9

On August 27 2014 03:34 Barakos wrote:


I think I already mentioned it in my first larger post but here again and in a bit more detail: This is my first game of forum mafia and I haven't played mafia in a good amount of years.
We had a quite big group of live-mafia-players back in the day, when I still went to school but as it goes with everything, if you go to school in a smaller city... people spread out to go to university / do their required military service or get jobs in other cities, so we stopped playing.
Few weeks ago i stumbled over the Mafia-section of this forum, got interested, lurked in some games and got more interested, and now - her i am.

2. Soft claiming cop? Alright. +1

In all serious seriousness, slight mafia read here (will elaborate on the read if I see a trend). -0.5

3. Don't like this, feels like a preface for possible shitty (i.e. scummy) play. -0.5

3. Baaaah!

1. Nothing is better than anything! Or wait! No! Anything is better than nothing! Right?! (Let the princess do his thing, the more interactions the better!)

2. And here I thought I was prideful! Wanting a power role so it's easier not to die during lynches. Preface for garbage excuse during said lynch? -0.5

Can you be a bit more proactive?

Let's not get sidetracked with this policy garbage.

Yeah, it doesn't fully correspond to my actual +/- list. I liked MihZaaa's last few posts (he actually contributed, unlike most others) and decided to replace his initial place in my mafia circle with abuse. Furthermore, I had a case lined up against MihZaaa before based on what I thought was a contradiction: it seemed like he was saying he wanted to lynch or at least look at lurkers (post #135), even though he said he didn't like to lynch lurkers (post #125). But on review (triggered by post #141 which he made during the construction my post) it seemed like he was instead withholding his opinion on them until they post something substantial. Due to this revelation, his activity, and the fact that most of my case was based on something which turned out to be a misunderstanding, I decided to keep him neutral for now.

On August 27 2014 03:21 Superbia wrote:
Eh, the soft claim may or may not be true. It just means I probably don't want to lynch him day 1 unless some dirty shit comes up. I also don't really think I'm helping mafia here, it really could mean anything, like you pointed out, but if it eases your mind I'll stop pointing shit like that out.

I don't want to elaborate too much on bresh at the moment until he starts talking.

On August 27 2014 04:17 Barakos wrote:
Mind to talk a little about abuse?
From your giant post I get, that you also didn't like the way he brought the discussion about policies into the thread. Are you with me, when i say that it looks kind of scummy and seems like he is trying to find out, if it is ok to lurk?
Or do you think there is the possibility I am overreading things and he just made it sound a little weird?

I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle.

The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse.
Care to explain that?

Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do.
I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:
To preface this a little: I am expect this post will be a bit lengthy so if there's anything you will have answered by the time I post then don't feel obligated to repeat.

Superbia

I liked your big post more than the Barakos does even though a lot of reads were "Alright!" which I thought didn't add anything. As such I will mostly talk about the things you attributed points to.




I didn't like that you said this at all. I don't see why town would bring up what might have been a major slip-up from cop. Seems like you're making sure who to kill in the night and considering you gave him a tasty +1 for pretty much nothing it seems like you're trying to pocket him.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:

I didn't read this as scummy necessarily so I'm looking forward to what your read was when you feel it has taken enough shape.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:

I assume this rather rude reaction means you think I'm sheeping? It's my first forum mafia game so I'm not familiar with the lingo yet. I think this would have been a valid criticism considering I didn't elaborate too much on my read had it not been really early in the game where expecting such detailed explanations is high hopes at best. Maybe i misinterpret the baa h though. I would like clarification.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:

Aside from how condescending it felt I also feel like you're setting up a bit of a strawman. It's only that one question that I had a problem with not his attempt (successful attempt, i might add) to spark conversation.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:

I don't like that you attributed negative points to something you expect to happen but hasn't happened yet IE garbage excuses from me during a lynch.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:Will give a in a few hours but right now I'm seeing Barakos as top town.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:This will not help the game but it's important to me.+ Show Spoiler +

On August 27 2014 04:13 MihZaaa wrote:
Forgot to say this but great effort with the long post you made Superbia. Your "abomination" was certainly much more useful than daydreamingmarine's was.

On August 27 2014 04:17 Barakos wrote:
Thanks, I guess.
But let's see, if we can lead this thread into a more productive direction...



Fine with me, if you don't want to talk about Breshke right now. But I'll come back to this point some point into the game, if it is still important by the time, Breshke answers.

4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated?

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later.

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.)

On August 26 2014 17:06 abuse wrote:
In my mind, there is no real time when a townie lying would benefit town, so I would urge you not to do so, because if I catch you, I will push you. And chances are you will be scum when you flip afterwards.
I have also recently played with a very annoying lurker, who just deflected all questions and did not really give any information at all to town. Behavior like this will also be pushed HARD.

Hopefully we get a good town atmosphere going where everyone is open about their thoughts and reads so scum has nowhere to hide. Have fun peeps~

On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote:
My reason for asking about lynching liars and lurkers served 3 purposes.

1) to get your thoughts out, so people can have a peek into each others brains a little
2) to make sure people were on the same end of the stick as me, when it comes to what constitues a "liar" and what constitues a "lurker". One of the things being - I don't mind lurkers as much if they are just inactive. I do on the other half mind a lurker that is being called out but keeps ignoring questions. I have had this happen in another game and it is very annoying and I will not tolerate this.
3) See how people react to the policies, as well as what alignments would they prefer to play. While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.(for example, compare your answer of the first question to MihZaaa) Later down the game you can use this as a tool to see if they match it or not.

On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote:I really do not have a problem with answering these questions myself, but how often do you really see people asking questions to others while answering them themselves at first?
It also served a double purpose, to see who would call me out on it and how soon would it happen. Happened pretty soon, which is good.

On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:
I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them.
Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads.
There has been barely any development at all yet.

On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I also completely disagree on your rating.
Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.

On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.

On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do.
I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.

On August 27 2014 05:00 lilwade wrote:
3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse?

I like this a lot because I think things got a little heavy. I am guilty of being aggressive at times and i think it's a good policy to push but not harass and to inquire but not interrogate.